Re: CSMagnesium oxide help
RE: CSMagnesium oxide helpHey Tracy... Whatever works for you, darlin' -- Thats the important thing! Namaste and love, Bob Bartell - Original Message - From: Nick Grant To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide help Sorry Bob - but metamucil contains sugar and fibre seems to have the opposite effect on me in that I get constipated.Cascara Sagrada gives one bulk windies and stomach cramps tried it all I am afraid... actually I am fine at present - must be the coconut oil I got from Ivan :) and all the healthy New Zealand water!! Oh ,and the ground flax seeds.what a pathetic life it sounds LOL. Tracy - Original Message - From: Bob Bartell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 21:07 Subject: RE: CSMagnesium oxide help Hey Tracy... Damian, The fast way is to make a strong tea of Cascara tree bark. The best way is some Metamucil in juice (Couple of teaspoons) daily! Namaste Bob Bartell -Original Message- From: Nick Grant [mailto:nwgr...@inet.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium oxide help Hi Damian I didn't notice a difference with Homozon in that it made me go to the toilet more - cos it didn't. Weather it was doing me any good or not - who knows! Boy, we have to trust the experts don't we? Someone out there could be making a lot of money Tracy - Original Message - From: Damian Corrin damian...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 12:29 Subject: CSMagnesium oxide help Hello Can anyone tell me if when using magnesium oxide to cleanse the collon that it did not work at all. I recently purchased some and have not had one single movement. I take a heaped teaspoon with lemon juice and apple cider for a boost in acidity and still nothing. THe way people rave about it on the web i thought i would be like lightning. I drink lots of water as well. I am beggining to wonder if the product i bought is bogus, and maybe should try another brand or supplier Thanks for your time Damian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHealth Expo in Toronto
Ok guys, How about a link for more info on this Health Expo? Dates? Where in Toronto? Namaste, Bob Bartell - Original Message - From: Leo Regehr To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: Re: CSHealth Expo in Toronto We sell CS generators in Canada and never have been hassled. But we don't make claims either. Leo DJG wrote: I'm going in March. Does anyone know if there will be anything interesting related to CS, or did the Canadian govt. pretty much shut down the CS industry? I went last year and enjoyed it.
Re: CSNoni juice, etc.
Move Terry up another 2 notches on the Esteemed Friends List for this discussion group.! Well said Terry, with an excellent and logical conclusion! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: CSNoni juice, etc. Becoming an Alternative Health practitioner was the logical and practically unavoidable result of being born with significant health issues that the medical profession not only couldn't help, but actually aggravated. Over the years, I have found considerable relief from some of the issues I was born struggling with, but some of the other issues have refused to be resolved. This has resulted in my developing a continual search mentality, always reading, always searching. This has turned out to be a benefit to me, for it has produced a Perpetual Student attitude in me. Being very human, if I have a string of successes with my clients, it's easy to fall prey to an attitude of elitism, a I'm one of the Better Practitioners, the Effective Ones. But then I have to face my consistent failure at finding answers to my own issues, rather humbling (though healthy), to say the least. Within the limits of finances, family and personal flexibility, I have experimented with a lot of supplements and therapies that have received high praise from others. There is still, in me, a subconscious hope that I will finally stumble upon that Magic Elixir, that Super Potion, the Cure-all that will conquer my and my clients health problems. Oh, I know logically that there is no Silver Bullet (I had thought I found it in CS, but I was wrong), but something in me still hopes, Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. When I first came across Noni juice, everyone was crying, This is the stuff! (as I have seen with many, many other things). I bought 12 bottles of it and started drinking. After six bottles, I noticed nothing whatsoever. The fellow I bought it from suggested inceasing the dosage, so I doubled the recommended intake. After six more bottles and no more results than if I had been drinking lemon-aid, I once again faced the reality: There is no Silver Bullet. Good health will not come from That One Special Nutrient that you need. Good health can only come from healthy living. I am not opposing Noni juice. Many folks have experienced good results from Noni juice (and from Colostrum, and bentonite clay, and Colloidal Silver, and Co-Q10, and Vitamin C, etc.), but the only Cure to poor health is good health, is caring for your body, mind and spirit. My two cents. Terry Chamberlin __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS CFS
Hey Larry, I hear you loud clear on this one. My advice (probably not worth much more than a thin silver dime) would be to take one ounce of CS every two hours on the first day for a total of 8 ounces. just to prime the system. Then a maintainance dose of one ounce per day - every day - first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and wait one hour before eating or drinking anything else. Just struggle through the short term herx effect and it should all be very worthwhile. Best wishes for anyone's speedy recovery! Robert Bartell. - Original Message - From: larry tankersley la...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: CS CFS Dear list.. I found the following about CFS. Sounds like CS would be well worth a try. If anyone has suggestions on how much , how often , and for how long,I'd appreciate hearing,as the lady I know who has been diagnosed with CFS is going down the tube and the family is falling apart. Thanks 10/28/98 NEW HYPOTHESIS PROPOSED FOR CAUSE OF CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Researchers here have proposed a new theory for the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) -- one that blames the illness both on a low-level viral infection and on the body's own immune response to that virus. If true, it would offer an explanation for why virologists so far haven't found evidence of a common virus when looking at a population of CFS patients. The hypothesis was included in a paper published in the current issue of the American Journal of Medicine. The new theory, proposed by Ronald Glaser, professor of medical microbiology and immunology, and Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology and psychiatry at Ohio State University, is the latest work in more than two decades of their research on the effects of stress on the human immune system. Our data suggests that stress may be causing the expression of certain viral proteins and that these proteins may be modulating the body's immune response, turning it on or off, Glaser said. CFS was first characterized by researchers in the mid-1980s who described it as a combination of symptoms including low-grade fevers, body aches, malaise, and depression among other signs. The condition seems more prevalent among young adult women. Those diagnosed with CFS often experience stress and depression. Symptoms routinely linger for six months or more and may continue for years. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that CFS may affect anywhere from four to 10 of every 100,000 people in the United States. Other researchers have reported higher-than-normal titers of antibodies to various latent viruses -- Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, human herpes virus 6, for example -- in the blood of patients diagnosed as having CFS. But no one viral infection was present in all patients -- evidence that would be needed to prove a viral cause of the illness. The Ohio State researchers' new theory poses several mechanisms that might be linked to CFS. Once a person is infected, these viruses can remain latent in the body for long periods of time. Glaser proposes that the viruses could be partially reactivated, that is, viral proteins could be produced at levels high enough to cause a low-grade infection but too low to be seen using current laboratory assays. Glaser and Kiecolt-Glaser suggest that CFS patients may experience an ongoing, low-grade viral infection -- more like a smoldering fire rather than a three-alarm blaze -- which could stimulate parts of the immune response without raising antibody titers to typically high levels. That low-grade infection would be enough to increase production of various cytokines -- chemical mediators for the immune system -- and begin the immune response. A lot of the symptoms that you find in chronic fatigue syndrome are the same ones induced by cytokines during our normal immune response, Glaser said. He admits that studies of patients have yet to show a pattern of abnormal cytokine behavior that would substantiate their theory but he has an explanation for that. We haven't discovered all the cytokines involved in immunity. We may not have found the right one, yet, he said, adding that new cytokines are steadily being identified. Stress and depression may be playing a related role as well, Kiecolt-Glaser said. Earlier research has repeatedly shown that increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem, Kiecolt-Glaser said. People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken
Re: CSFDA and FTC
Vey Interesting Thanks! - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: CSFDA and FTC That's one of the nice things about the internet, you can have anyone in any country host your site. That can do some interesting things for taxes too, I suspect. When I first started out, I was using a third party credit card processor located in a state that has no sales tax. They had set up as a 'reseller', so, all my sales took place from there...not here. I wonder if gov't knows that an internet business can 'virually' leave the country at a moments notice and is wary of touching off a mass migration of a million or so tax payers? Links know no boundaries. Mail requires no labeling of content. Now, just where in the world am I really? Ken At 10:49 AM 12/7/01 -0800, you wrote: What US suppliers are doing for Canadian customers who can't get certain supplements that are unavailable in Canada, is to simply send them via courier. It's the RECEIVING of the package that's illegal. Until the dust settles on the silver issue, distribution from points north (or south) of the border may be a viable option. It's a matter of enforcement. Also, the FTC and FDA have no authority over the content of Canadian or foreign websites, and Health Canada is very reluctant to rule on anything other than safety issues (but could be induced to). ciao Duncan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMicroscope for sale.
Interesting Leo, but how does it work without going to Europe to attend the auctions (Private treaties, etc.)? Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Leo Keaveney To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: CSMicroscope for sale. Hi all, A few days ago someone was enquiring about microscopes. If you are still interested there is soon going to be some for auction at www.henrybutcher.com . Namaste, Leo.
Re: CS1st of 2 articles on Cipro
- Original Message - From: Judith Thamm galing...@chariot.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: CS1st of 2 articles on Cipro If you have had these already - I shall crawl humbly into my corner and hide - tempoarily... Judith. CIPRO is Worse Than Anthrax Serious Side-Effects From CIPRO Anthrax-like Symptoms from CIPRO Garlic is Better Than CIPRO Article from http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi8.html America Is Losing Its Other Germ War America Loses 14,000 Lives A Year In Its Other Germ War; Over-Use Of Antibiotics Like Cipro May Induce Plagues; Natural Antibiotics May Rescue Mankind by Bill Sardi Special addendum: side effects of CIPRO-like drugs may be worse than Anthrax; CIPRO should not be used by rescue, police or military personnel, nor be approved for nation's antibiotic stockpile. America is losing its other germ war and thousands more lives are needlessly being lost than from the recent anthrax threat. The public has been gripped by the threat of anthrax in the past week, and has become familiar with CIPRO (ciprofloxacin-Bayer), the antibiotic that has been widely described as the preferred drug to treat inhalation anthrax. At the same time, Americans have been distracted from America's other germ war -- the over-use of prescription antibiotics like CIPRO which will only hasten the early demise of millions of humans worldwide as more germs mutate and become resistant to these drugs, permitting bugs like E. coli, Enterococci, Staphylococcus, Helicobacteri pylori, and yes even anthrax, to escape treatment and increase morbidity and mortality. The ongoing germ war Americans face is not administered by a terrorist but is of one their own doing. A news story that has been overshadowed by the American anthrax scare is that FDA and University of Maryland researchers found 20% of meat samples obtained from supermarkets were contaminated with drug-resistant salmonella, a germ that is responsible for 1.4 million cases of food poisoning annually. Among the samples of ground beef, chicken turkey and pork, 84% of the salmonella was found to be resistant to one drug and 53% to three or more antibiotics.1 Worldwide, many strains of Staph aureus, another pathogenic bacterium, are resistant to all antibiotics except Vancomycin, which is considered the antibiotic of last resort. Strains of germs like Enterococcus faecalis, Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Pseudomonas aeruginosa already defy a stockpile of more than 100 antibiotic drugs. The FDA is rapidly making plans to reduce the use of antibiotics in animals, particularly because the drug- resistance in these animals can be transferred to humans. Over 40% of the antibiotics produced annually (about 20 million pounds) are used in animals. In an attempt to head off the growing drug-resistance problem, the American Medical Association has urged its members not to prescribe CIPRO to patients who are merely worried about anthrax exposure and has warned physicians to reduce their rate of prescriptions for antibiotics overall. Some experts estimate half of the antibiotics taken in the US are unnecessary. Most commercial antibiotics have been molecularly altered in the laboratory to obtain a patent and to improve potency. The man-made molecules are what induce germs to mutate and become resistant to their killing properties.2 Drug companies have responded to the resistance problem by producing newer antibiotics, most which are just variations or combinations of old drugs.3 The FDA says it is doing all it can to speed up development and availability of new antibiotic drugs.4 For example, in September of 1999 the FDA announced the approval of a long- needed new weapon against the growing threat of drug- resistant bacteria: Synercid, the first alternative in 30 years to the antibiotic (vancomycin) of last resort. Synercid (Rhone-Poulenc Rorer) is the first in a new class of antibiotics called streptogamins, but the FDA admitted it only has a 52% effectiveness rating in fighting off drug- resistant strains of enterococcal infections and it was accompanied by side effects such as rash, vomiting, diarrhea and joint pain.5 But the FDA makes no mention of natural, non-patentable antibiotics which do not induce resistance, some which exhibit a 100% kill factor for anthrax and a wide range of other germs. There are no financial incentives for makers of antibiotic foods like garlic, or supplements like oil of oregano, to undergo expensive and time-consuming clinical trials so they can make a label claim as an antibiotic. This gives drug manufacturers complete reign over the prescription antibiotic drug market. Most Americans are so ill informed on this issue that they just can't believe natural antibiotics are more potent than the drugs their doctor prescribes. Physicians could direct their
Re: CSCS renal failure
Well said Terry! Obviously, I agree! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: CSCS renal failure Bill Briggs was quoted as saying: [concerning]...CS and the dangers of renal failure. Said it might take as long as 20 years or more, but it would happen. I am not impressed by anyone's qualifications, or letters by their name, nor am I unimpressed by a lack of them. Academic accomplishment nowadays has little or nothing to do with one's knowledge about a subject. I even find that it can interfere with clear, objective thinking. Anytime someone makes flat statements like that (it WILL happen), I want to know where he got the information, how he can demonstrate the validity of his statement, and why I should believe him. He may very well be right, but his authoritatively-spoken word is not enough. I especially have trouble with the idea that he is sure that it will happen years down the road. The only way to come to that kind of conclusion is either to have watched it happen for 20 years (as has been done in the case of tobacco), or by logical deduction. Although I am not much impressed by the accuracy of logical deduction when it comes to the human metabolism, I am willing to hear the reasoning that convinced him. At this point, Bill Briggs' statements occupy a level of credibility in my own mind on par with Andrew Weil's, which isn't much. But I would be interested in seeing his reasoning. Terry Chamberlin Metabolic Solutions Institute RR1 314 Carleton Rd Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0 902-584-3810 voice 413-826-7641 fax service msi...@yahoo.com ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe:URL on testing
- Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: 9/3/01 8:33:07 PM Subject: CS Re:URL on testing Dear Group, Tell me if I'm repeating information, but has anyone seen this? http://home.earthlink.net/~shad0ww/home/nutritian/colloidal_fieldtest.html Regards, Judith. Looks like some imaginative marketing ploy to me. at best! Notice that he/she will not perscribe anything? Also misspelled nutrition. You get a lot of confidence from this message! Regards from .. Robert Bartell .. (I'm back) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Robert Bartell --- bobbart...@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
RE: CSPaul Harvey
- Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: 9/5/01 12:15:54 AM Subject: CS Paul Harvey Hi Listers, I was listening to The Paul Harvey news and he reported that some researchers now believe Heart attacks are somehow related to BACTERIA This certainly sounds like a job for CS. My question is, does anyone know of CS drinkers who have had a heart attack? Could be we're on to a new reason to drink CS. Nancy Hi Nancy, I use CS on a daily basis - about 4 to 6 ounces - (well maybe a little more now that I'm substituting it for branch water in my favorite beverage) and no heart attacks yet I'm 70 and completely off all prescription medicines and feel GREAT! --- Robert Bartell --- bobbart...@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
Re: CSVitamin C revisited
[Original Message] From: dtmil...@midiowa.net (Dean T. Miller) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 8/27/01 6:48:50 PM Subject: Re: CSVitamin C revisited Hi Arthur, On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:34:16 -0400 (EDT), alltogether...@webtv.net (Arthur Rambo) wrote: Dean, I gotta tell you the Beck blood purifier is what clears my sinus congestion every time. It's a zapper type that you put on your wrist for a couple hours a night. Sota Instruments has it for $176 The zapper worked on my condition. And it wasn't a simple congestion, it was a long-term, probably fungus, infection that had closed up the opening between the sinus and nose/throat. When the pressure built up the pain was almost unbearable (well, unbearable as I couldn't sleep, and certainly couldn't do any work during the episodes). I have all the parts to make several units of Tom Miller's version of the blood purifier (bioelectrifier). But I've seen no need to do so. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Robert Bartell --- bobbart...@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
Re: CSDiabetics taking colloidal silver
Seems I've been sabotaged! Quite a few of my files have disappeared from my HD (selectively - not indiscriminate) including what I sent to the list - My efforts to reconstruct and recover have been in vain. Will have to go back and reconstruct from my memory of the sources. Have two days to spare next week and promise to get this info back to you then. I have ZoneAlarm installed and can't figure out how this was done or by whom! Pretty sophisticated hacking! Thats one tough and effective firewall to get through! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: tmtw...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: Re: CSDiabetics taking colloidal silver hi rbartell ..l have a brand new computer with all the bells and whistles...and nothing showed on the orig email you sent in regards to diabetics taking colloidal silverin my email also. ..did anyone actually receive something in their email on this subject?..if so forward to me...being diabetic...l am very interested in this subject. thankyou! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDiabetics taking colloidal silver
You are way overdue in getting a full blown personal computer --- and too intelligent to be handicapped by not having one.! I will dig back through my sent messages tonight and repost it to the list. I may have avoided the list and sent it direct to your e-mail address of origin. Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: serit...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:25 AM Subject: Re: CSDiabetics taking colloidal silver Robert What ever you sent didn't come through on my webtv machine. Serita -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDiabetics taking colloidal silver
You really need to check this out! It starts off with an amusing joke but gets progressively serious ... Robert Bartell
Re: CS and lupus
Chris S., First of all, even though Lupus is considered incurable, it isn't necessarily an automatic death sentence. You didn't mention whether the lupus was external, internal or both. In any event, because of the weaker immune system, 1 or 2 ozs of CS daily would assist the immune system in fighting off pathogens of all kinds. Additionally, there are indications that some other things might help a whole bunch and may be the solution that you are seeking. No diet soft drinks - no Nutra-sweet products - nothing with Aspartame on the label - nothing with phenylalinine in it. No Alcohol - beer, wine, booze! No Milk or dairy products - especially butter, cheese, ice cream, powdered milk, powdered creamers, sour cream etc. 1 gram (1000mg) capsules of MSM (methylsulphonylmethane) 4 times a day. 1000 mg Vitamin C (with rose hips formulation) daily 250 mg capsule of Alpha Lipoic Acid 2 times a day 1 softgel capsule of Gamma E Tocopherol 340mg or other equivalent natural mixed tocopherols.(Vitamin E) A good combination vitamin/mineral supplement - daily Improvement could be noticable within the first 30 days and there is a possiblility of total reversal with strict adherance. Have had Lupus deaths in the family that prompted looking into alternative health measures. The reasearch scientist, Dr. Stanley Jacobs, MD of Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland, OR was treating lupus patients with MSM more than 15 years ago in his private practice. Then, additionally, there is prayer and I will say a prayer for you ... and I'm sure others on the list will also. Also, please bear in mind that I am not a medical doctor and am prohibited by law from prescribing. I am only providing information. Results alluded to in the above regimen are anecdotal experiences. Find a Naturopathic Doctor (M.D., N.D.) to work with you or at least a doctor who is not rigidly confined to the practice of allopathic medicine. Regards,Robert Bartell rbart...@drfast.net - Original Message - From: loan...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: CS and lupus Does anyone know if CS can help with lupus? I keep trying to get info from the archives, but can't get in. Thanks, Chris S. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThank Goodness for Colloidal Silver in the USA
Another tidbit just in from England, focusing attention on their socialized medical system. - Robert Bartell HEALTHCARE, etc * NHS bed crisis hitting London The NHS is facing an emergency beds crisis with just one intensive care bed available in London. A spokesman for the ambulance service has said that a major incident or flu epidemic would lead to a serious crisis in hospitals. The Department of Health admitted that the service was under strain but said an extra 41 critical care beds in London would be in use by Dec 1. The solitary free bed was in the Royal Free Hospital, east London. The next nearest emergency bed was north of London in Hemel Hempstead, Herts. Ambulance crews in at least six hospitals in the capital were unable to respond to emergency calls. Some crews had to wait up to four hours for beds to become free so that they could deliver patients. Some also had to surrender their stretchers to hospitals, making their vehicles redundant. Source: The Daily Telegraph Useful link: http://telegraph.co.uk
Re: CSChristmas trees
- Original Message - From: Marsha Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: Re: CSChristmas trees Yes, that sad, pathetic time when millions of innocent trees will die for such a silly purpose... Almost as silly as being made into toilet paper. sigh Marsha Perhaps many of the Xmas trees were innocents but the majority of the trees reduced to toilet paper were convicts held in custody by the U.S. Forest Service. ;-)Robert Bartell -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:OT building
Hospitals also prefer SS as the metal of choice for sterilization procedures. airborne pathogens ? What's flying in and out of that airport? Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm galing...@chariot.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: CSRe:OT building Dear Group, Has anyone any idea why a new building would be clad almost entirely in stainless steel? It is 4 storeys high [restricted to this height as it is in the flight path of planes] and also has windows. We have a friend who is a stainless steel welder - the panels are attached to plywood to move them into position so nothing gets crinkles, dents etc. Just curious. Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWordiness
Pythagorean theorem: 24 words The Lord's Prayer: 66 words Archimedes' Principle: 67 words The 10 Commandments: 179 words The Gettysburg Address: 286 words The Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words U.S. Government regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words Discussions on Ionized particles of silver: Gadzillions of words :-) Regards: Robert Bartell
Re: CSAd for CS
Hmmm .. That's exactly what we want to do, Bob -- make good CS. How are you doing on the heads that you were making for Vince and I. Am getting itchy fingers to connect up this 12KV contraption! Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: Re: CSAd for CS Hi Ya'all, If you read my post the other day I referenced this company but with held the name. I ordered their 10 ppm and 50 ppm for testing, which I have done. The 10 ppm checked out at 12.1 ppm and the 50 ppm as 61.6 ppm, abd the T.E.'s almost invisible in a dark room. the conductivity of the 12.1 sample is 258 uS which leads me to believe that it was made with HVAC ARC using a gas shield as the NO3 is 1.53 ppm. It is very good CS. I did not check the 50 PPM sample as it has several herbs in it. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS and the Big C
CS -- CS -- Cs -- Cs -- CS -- CS -Nuts? - Original Message - From: duval...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: Re: CS and the Big C Believe Brazil nuts and macadamia are the same nut. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAnother reason why -- Colloidal Silver Generators
Another tidbit in from England: HEALTH * 5,000 die from hospital bugs Five thousand patients die every year from infections picked up in hospitals in a scandal that is costing the NHS an annual £1 billion. The scale of the threat lurking on the wards was revealed as appalled MPs on a Parliamentary spending watchdog demanded that the service get a grip on the crisis. An estimated 100,000 hospital patients - one in ten - fall victim to infections every year, mostly from drug-resistant superbugs. Source: News wires Useful links: http://www.express.co.uk Regards: Robert Bartell
CSDouble checking
To our resident intellectuals on this site: You are appreciated. We love you. Stay with us! Keep double checking your work! ZURICH, Switzerland - The nation recently mourned the death of one of its brightest shining intellectual stars. Johan Unterwald was described by college professors as the next Albert Einstein and a brilliant mathematician. It seems Johan made at least one fatal math error. He took a 250 ft. bungee jump with a 300 foot bungee cord. He died immediately on impact. Robert
Re: CSzappers
I too have been part of the problem and in the future will stick a little more closely to CS. Occassionally, I have to take a day off from the list and when I return, there can be upwards of 60-70-80 messages to glean through. I read them all and its time consuming. Not to say that the information gleaned isn't worth the time and trouble, but a few minutes saved can be applied elsewhere. Its all a matter of perspective, I guess ... as illustrated by the following: Robert The airliner from Polish Airways was preparing to land at O'Hare Field. The pilot radioed the control tower that he thought the runway was too short to land on. The tower radioed back that it was more than long enough. In a few minutes the pilot again radioed about the runway length, only to receive the same reply. On final approach, the pilot radioed again that he thought the runway was too short, only to receive an exasperated reply that the runway was long enough and to go ahead and land. Sure enough, the plane touched down and ran into the passenger terminal, resulting in major damage. After the plane came to a halt, the pilot turned to the co-pilot and said, See? I told them the runway was too short. To which the co-pilot replied, Yeah, but did you see how wide that sucker was? - Original Message - From: V. Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:18 PM Subject: Re: CSzappers snip Duncan has a good point. This discussion of zappers and Hulda Clark is definately off topic. I'll make a motion we stick more closely to CS. I've been part of the problem. Vince Richter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(OT) Trouble in Iowa
Lets go into your post which posits several different things that I can answer and possibly, with others, point you in a direction to explore for your answers. - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: CS(OT) Trouble in Iowa For the past year, I have been carefully watching the kinds of disability applications coming into our consulting firm (which specifically does only social security law and represents clients). For over a year, all but two of the clients have presented with the primary diagnosis of chronic fatigue and/or fibromyalgia. Usual misdiagnosis for aspertame poisoning - see http://www.Dorway.com Additional diagnoses are consistently: (1) Arthritis, Neurally mediated hypotension, (3) sleep apnea, and (4) frequently depression (after onset). Adult onset diabetes is also frequently seen in addition to the CFIDS/fibro. Refer to http://www.notmilk.com for a discussion of these symptoms in relation to our contaminated and altered public supplies of dairy products. I have felt it to be an outbreak, and watched, researched, and read. Last week my feelings were confirmed by two separate agencies, who indicate that Iowa has the second highest rate of disability per capita, in the US. These figures were taken from SSA and applications, and would therefore, generally rule out those 65 or older. My suspicions were confirmed by both SSA and the State Voc Rehab offices. Refer to the many site references of government sponsored aerial spraying of mutagenic substances over our cities by unmarked tanker planes (resembling vapor trails -- except that their low altitute doesn't correlate.) On three separate occasions, I have been aware that the CDC has been active in our area, monitoring, but do not know what their focus or findings have been. Ahh, yes --- The famous United States Center for Disease Control -- the CDC -- Somebody has to test for the effects of these secret, clandestine government programs -- who better than the CDC? Incidently, if you no longer have a high degree of confidence in the FDA, then you should look with askance at the CDC which has also been populated with the right people! The incidence of chronic fatigue and fibro do not seem limited to metro areas, and seem to span the state equally. Women seem to be most affected, however, people of all ages, sexes, ethnic background, are being diagnosed in large numbers. The medical professionals in our area, are knee deep, and are trying very hard to understand and help. Widespread aerial spraying can be indiscriminate in its effects if that's the intention. We can find no real common denominator, and blood work does not reveal conclusive or consistent data, for many patients. Most patients, however, show a curiously low sodium level (below 139 or close). We have also in many cases, done MMPI testing, and are finding little or no indication that mental health issues are the primary or largely contributing cause. Be careful -- anyone who thinks the government might be to blame could be adjudged mentallly ill. After having read and researched for the past year, I still don't have a clue as to the causes. Have looked at water, air, diet, parasitic infections, viruses, bacteria's, and everything looks suspect. We are clueless. Is anyone aware of diagnostic methods or testing process, which might uncover the origin or cause of what we are seeing? (Mycoplasma testing is not available or common here, or covered by insurance.) Many people here are experimenting with alternative therapies, and some medical providers are also starting to consider alternatives. We have two certified Chinese Herbalists in the area, and their waiting lists are as long as 6 - 7 months, for an initial appointment. Are any of you close to Iowa, or aware of reputable and reliable alternative health care providers? I have a copy of The Directory of Innovative Doctors from Life Extension Foundation, PO Box 229120, Hollywood, FL 33022. The listings for Iowa are as follows: Doug Valentine, DC - 1520 1st Ave. NW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52405 (319) 366-4118 David Nebbelong, DO - 622 E. 38th St. Davenport, IA 52807 (319) 391-0321 Horst G. Blume, MD - 700 Jennings St. Sioux City, IA 51105 (712) 252-4386 Many of these people cannot travel. Will apologize in advance, if this post is inappropriate for the CS list. suzy Well, since CS plays a role in these health matters .. Robert
Re: CS(OT) Trouble in Iowa
Johannus, Are you inferring that all of these sick and incapacitated people in Iowa need to be treated by psyciatrists and psycologists? - Original Message - From: johannus faustus To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: CS(OT) Trouble in Iowa Is anyone aware of diagnostic methods or testing process, which might uncover the origin or cause of what we are seeing www.orgonomy.org american college of orgonomy. maybe something is going on in the atmosphere. randal
CSBig Brother's watch over research
Some of you may find some seeds of wisdom and some insights into the D.O.D. in this current article: Robert Jonathan Dowling knew his research was interesting. He just didn't realize how interesting until government intelligence officials tracked him down. http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?65689:13978418
Re: CSTaco Bell recall due to GE
I wonder if this event helped influence the decision to sell surplus foods, medicines and vaccines to Cuba and other third world countries. Recycling our rejects? == Robert - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: CSTaco Bell recall due to GE Consumer reports Dec. 2000 issue, page 63 Recalls: Taco Bell Home Originals taco shells and taco dinner mix Contains a bioengieered variet of cornnot approved for use in food for human consumption. Products: 2.5 to 2.9 million Taco Bell Home Originals Taco Shells and Taco Bell Home Originals Taco Diner. Recall pertains to any and all products regardless of date purchased. Products were made by Kraft Foods and sold at supermarkets nationwide. According to Taco Bell, the taco shell used at the chain's 7200 restaurants are formulate from a recipe different from Kraft's. However, Taco Bell is investigating whether the same unapproved corn variety has found its way into the restaurant products. The Environmental Protetion Agency had limited the use of the corn in question, known as Starlink because it may be an allergen. however, Avantis, the company responsible for starlink had canceled its registration for the corn. Return product to to store for refund. For information, call Kraft at 800-433-9361 or visit the company's we site at www.kraftfoods.com. Marshall Robert Bartell wrote: Hi Jules, In what city did this commercial air? Seems we can't get them to label products that have a genetically engineered (GE) substance in them, which also seem to sail right through the FDA approval process like ex-lax! At this rate, I fear there may be a terrible price to pay down the road sometime in the future. Robert - Original Message - From: wwen...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: CS FDA goes after Colloidal Silver sites (close ranks) Judith and list, I saw a television commercial recently from the Biotechnology Commission or something similar promoting Golden Rice, which is a GE modified rice now containing beta-carotene that will End World Hunger. At what cost, I wonder. Lots of pictures of third-world kids, etc. The spin begins Jules -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSReversing Arthritis with the Jaffe-Mellor Technique
Wow Terry -- A good one, much food for thought here. Have to re-read this again! Many thanks! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: annho...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: CSReversing Arthritis with the Jaffe-Mellor Technique Click here: Reversing Arthritis with the Jaffe-Mellor Technique I came across this interesting read on treating arthritis, fibro., MS, lupus, etc. I plan on looking into it for my arthritis. Anyone familiar with this technique? If too OT, please email me personally. Thanks Terri Part of the article: To discover the causative agents, we theorized that a disease such as arthritis might be the result of the presence of a highly adaptive microorganism residing in the host, she continues. Interestingly, pathogenic microorganisms are able to transform and adapt to their changing environments very quickly when necessary--often avoiding detection as a result. For the longest time, however, Western science has assumed that the extant relationship between the pathogen and its host naturally migrates toward peaceful coexistence, and the pathogen itself toward less aggressive behavior in an effort to keep the host alive. Unfortunately, this is not always true. As Jaffe and Mellor furthered their research, they increasingly came to realize that diseases caused by pathogenic microorganisms are far more prevalent in contemporary life than commonly believed! ! . Jaffe and Mellor concluded that the presence of microorganisms they term External Pathogenic Factors are at the heart of many modern-day chronic dis ease conditions such as arthritis.
Re: CSAspartame, phenylalanine poison data
Yup, you got it right, Duncan --- ! .And you should have seen all the hell raised around here when I threw out a couple of cases of Pepsi One. Can't understand the female logic that says ok, but only after we drink up what we have on hand -- that way it won't be wasted! Aaaghhh! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: CSAspartame, phenylalanine poison data Hi; Aspartame contains phenylalanine. So does Nutra-sweet. So does Sugar Twin...You have to read the pak. The comment about phenylalanine being an essential neurotransmitter is true, but spplementation is usually unnecessary and unwise because it breaks down to formaldehyde.. A google search turned up a wealth of information, all of it bad WRT Aspartame and phenylalanine...here are just a few.. 'Nuff said. ciao Duncan http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/aspart.htm Aspartame an L aspartyl L phenylalanine methyl ester, is composed of two amino acids, aspartate and phenylalanine, linked by methanol. Inside the gastrointestinal tract, especially in the stomach it is bro ken down into its constitutent components . In some instances the dipeptide is lysed within the cells of the gut. As a consequence the methanol is rapidly absored and distributed throughout the tissues of the body. Within the tissues substantial amounts of methanol's two metabolic breakdown products (formaldehyde and formic acid) have been shown to accumulate in many tissues. ** The Pandora's box of chameleon-like toxins and tumor agents Aspartame was never and cannot be proven to be safe. It is not and cannot be a diet aid because the formaldehyde (from the breakdown of the 10% methanol) gets stored in the fat along with some water. The National Soft Drink Association did a 30-page protest in the '80s (Congressional Record, Senate S 5511, 5/7/85) that mentioned the fact that aspartame was unstable, and that aspartame reduced the levels of serotonin (a substance that gives one that full feeling) which often induces a craving for carbohydrates. L-Aspartyl-l-phenylalanine methyl ester, 98%, aspartame CAS #22839-47-0 (a.k.a. Equal, NutraSweet, Spoonful, Benevia, Equal Measure, etc.) is composed of (at least) three things: 1.) aspartic acid, (around 40%) CAS # 56-84-8 2.) phenylalanine, (around 50%) CAS # 63-91-2 3.) methanol (wood alcohol) (10%) CAS # 67-56-1 Molecular Weight : 294.30 Formula: C14H18N2O5 MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET : http://www.dorway.com/asparta.txt * http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.html#discussion These are indeed extremely high levels for adducts of formaldehyde, a substance responsible for chronic deleterious effects that has also been considered carcinogenic. It is concluded that aspartame consumption may constitute a hazard because of its contribution to the formation of formaldehyde adducts. (Trocho 1998) It was a very interesting paper, that demonstrates that formaldehyde formation from aspartame ingestion is very common and does indeed accumulate within the cell, reacting with cellular proteins (mostly enzymes) and DNA (both mitochondrial and nuclear). The fact that it accumulates with each dose, indicates grave consequences among those who consume diet drinks and foodstuffs on a daily basis. (Blaylock 1998) The methanol from aspartame is converted to formaldehyde and then formic acid (DHHS 1993, Liesivuori 1991), although some of the formaldehyde appears to accumulate in the body as discussed above. Chronic formaldehyde exposure at very low doses has been shown to cause immune system and nervous system changes and damage as well as headaches, general poor health, irreversible genetic damage, and a number of other serious health problems (Fujimaki 1992, He 1998, John 1994, Liu 1993, Main 1983, Molhave 1986, National Research Council 1981, Shaham 1996, Srivastava 1992, Vojdani 1992, Wantke 1996). One experiment (Wantke 1996) showed that chronic exposure to formaldehyde caused systemic health problems (i.e., poor health) in children at an air concentration of only 0.043 - 0.070 parts per million! Obviously, chronic exposure to an extremely small amount of formaldehyde is to be avoided. Even if formaldehyde adducts did not build up in the body from aspartame use, the regular exposure to excess levels of formaldehyde would still be a major concern to independent scientists and physicians familiar with the aspartame toxicity issue. In addition to chronic formaldehyde poisoning, the excitotoxic amino acid derived from aspartame will almost certainly worsen the damage caused by the formladehyde. Synergistic effects from aspartame metabolites are rarely, if ever, mentioned by the manufacturer. Aspartame breaks down into a free-form
Re: CS FDA goes after Colloidal Silver sites (close ranks)
Hi Jules, In what city did this commercial air? Seems we can't get them to label products that have a genetically engineered (GE) substance in them, which also seem to sail right through the FDA approval process like ex-lax! At this rate, I fear there may be a terrible price to pay down the road sometime in the future. Robert - Original Message - From: wwen...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:45 PM Subject: Re: CS FDA goes after Colloidal Silver sites (close ranks) Judith and list, I saw a television commercial recently from the Biotechnology Commission or something similar promoting Golden Rice, which is a GE modified rice now containing beta-carotene that will End World Hunger. At what cost, I wonder. Lots of pictures of third-world kids, etc. The spin begins Jules -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCommendations Thanks
Yup, we reflect the potential silver lining cast in the FDA's dark cloud! Robert - Original Message - From: russ e rosser russros...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: act...@actionpress.com; b...@basselectronics.com; eacoo...@southernco.com; ellisros...@mindspring.com; itssu...@aol.com; jac...@sweetliberty.org; jacki...@ptd.net; j...@iahf.com; ly...@internetpro.net; rlsu...@mindspring.com; safedrink...@aol.com; snav...@altavista.com; springer...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: CSCommendations Thanks Hello, All-- I'm relatively new the Colloidal Silver list, and wish to thank the participants for exemplifying an essential character trait of a high, progressive civilization. A recent anecdote illustrates what I mean. When gas prices began to take off, I did a spate of talk radio shows (short-wave, internet) about the century-long history of 100+mpg carburetors and their suppression by big industry. This generated an impressive list of respondents (engineers, machinists, NASA scientists, back yard experimentors), all of whom agreed to freely promulgate rather than profiteer from any breakthroughs we developed. (If you patent an idea, it'll be bought shelved; if you hoard a discovery, you can be personally excised!) When it comes to introducing methodologies that endanger entrenched financial empires, either we'll ALL have access or NO ONE will. So it is with CS, which at the very least, threatens the entire antibiotics industry. Those who contribute their findings here are among the first to grasp a new broader definition of profit, one that recognizes the *indirect* benefits of living in a society that has *collectively* benefitted from a better idea. Nothing against Ayn Rand--enlightened selfishness simply recognizes the necessary reciprocity between personal and societal welfare. --Russ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSuperbugs
What happens when they grow wings? (board aircraft) -- check this out! * 'Superbug' shuts hospital ward A hospital ward has been cancelling new admissions for almost two weeks because of the superbug MRSA. Tests on patients in the vascular ward at Ninewells Hospital, Dundee, showed that 11 out of 22 were carrying the bacterial infection, which has developed a resistance to antibiotics.The hospital has brought in an extra team of nurses to treat those on the ward with MRSA in order to limit the spread of infection. A spokesman for Tayside University Hospitals Trusts said the action taken was precautionary and no patients had suffered adverse effects. The ward treats patients who are having surgery on veins, usually on their arms or legs. Source: The Daily Telegraph
CSMilk - Homogenized, Pasturized and Otherwise
I sent an e-mail to Robert Cohen and what followed was simply this: Think you can take the time to respond directly to this list? Appreciate it! : Robert Bartell I get 2000+ emails per day, and can barely keep my head above water...post this to the list: http://www.afpafitness.com/milkdoc.htm I clicked on the above and wow! After reading this treatise by this credentialed doctor --- I promptly copied it into its own separate folder on my hard drive. It was that impressive. If you don't click on this one, you'll be missing a classic! Robert Bartell
Re: CSulcers
Hugh, re: the circulation problems, suggest Alpha Lipoic Acid and MSM. regards, Robert - Original Message - From: hughman1 hughm...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: CSulcers I appreciate all of the input on the subject of diabetic leg ulcers; in my particular situation surface infection does not exist. The wound has been cultured and is sterile. The problem seems to be entirely circulatory. The blood flow necessary to transport materials necessary for wound healing is miniscule. The wound is located on the right ankle bone-an area almost completely devoid of blood vessels. Per ole Bob I have kept the wound in constant contact with CS for two days and counting-the wound is filling in-healing-proof that silver is not just antiseptic but has additional powers. Thanks for your interest, Hugh -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHealth care at my HMO
Someone once asked, How do you like your HMO?, to which I replied, Compared to what?, since I wasn't enthralled at all by their policies and annual increases in co-payments. Then this just came in from England as an attitude adjuster! I like my HMO a lot better now. Robert * Op waiting times 'will be cut' Patients have been promised that waiting times for operations will be slashed as the Government announced inflation-busting increases for the NHS. Health authorities are to get an average increase of 8.5 per cent from April next year, amounting to around £29million more each. Health Secretary Alan Milburn said the maximum wait for treatment would be cut from 18 months to 15 months by spring 2002. And within a year men with testicular cancer, children with cancer, and leukaemia sufferers will be treated inside a month. Mr Milburn said: These new maximum waiting times are still too long, but they represent the first instalment of real progress. Source: Staff reporter Useful link: http://www.nhs.50.nhs.uk/ * Hospitals in firing line The government is to send in a hit squad to one of the UK's leading heart hospitals following a highly critical report. Health minister John Denham described the Oxford Heart Centre at the John Radcliffe Hospital as dysfunctional. The report will blame management failings for both poor standards of care and lack of supervision of inexperienced doctors. The Commission for Health Improvement, a government watchdog set up to monitor standards in NHS hospitals, will be sent to Oxford to supervise improvement measures. In addition, the CHI has published a hard-hitting report into serious service failures at North Lakeland NHS Trust in Cumbria and Carmarthenshire NHS Trust in Llanelli. Source: Press release Useful link: http://www.open.gov.uk/doh/nhs.htm
Re: CSRe:no milk
You're stuck with reading the labels -- which I'm sure that you are good at -- and I think that you should be able to find some suitable brand in Port Augusta or Adelaide. Robert - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: Re: CSRe:no milk Unfortunately I'm from the bottom of the middle of down under! And we don't have that brand here! Judith. - Original Message - From: Robert Bartell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 2:38 AM Subject: Re: CSRe:no milk We like Silk Vanilla Soymilk , a national brand distributed by White Wave, Inc. Denver, CO 80301. NO HYDROGENATED OIL! Silk Soymilk ingredients: Filtered Water, Organic Whole Soybeans, Naturally milled organic cane, Calcium Carbonate, Natural Vanilla Flavor, Sea Salt, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Palmitate, Vitamin D2, Riboflavin (B2), Vitamin B12, no more, no less! Silk Soybeans are third party certified by QAI. Silk is certified to contain no GMO soybeans. Tastes a lot better than homemade. s.there you are! - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:23 AM Subject: Re: CSRe:no milk Both tend to have hydrogenated vegetable oil in them, here in Oz, - for no apparent reason - I'm trying to avoid that just now Thank you for your suggestion. Judith. Soy milk . rice milk - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CSRe:no milk On the subject of NO MILK how do those of you who have gone off cope with: 1. Calcium in absorbable form 2. Milk substitution in baking cooking etc etc 3. Making kefir?? or yogurt [ ;) ] Regards, Judith. [A milk avoider...]
Re: CSkidney stones
Have doctor shatter them to small fine bits with ultrasonic equipment? - Original Message - From: Frances Mehner scha...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com; alt-health-rife alt-health-r...@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: CSkidney stones I have a friend passing kidney stones, painful. Any suggestions on passing them easier and how to avoid them? Thanks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Another deadly drug [fwd]
Exactly! Why? They (the FDA) did the same thing with aspertame (nutra-sweet) that is put in diet soft drinks -- breaks down into toxic substances at 87 degrees farenheit. Had skids of this poisonous crap sitting out in the sun during Desert Storm for our troops to consume. Their mysterious symptoms do correlate to aspertame poisoning. But then the FDA also approved the vaccines too ... didn't they~! What a double whammy! Robert - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm galing...@chariot.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: CSRe:Another deadly drug [fwd] Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:19:20 -0600 (CST) From: Circare verac...@erols.com From: Vera Hassner Sharav, President CIRCARE: Citizens for Responsible Care Research, A Human Rights Organization Tel. 212-595-8974FAX: 212-595-9086 verac...@erols.com FYI Why, given the warnings of potentially fatal ischemic colitis for a drug that is not lifesaving itself, did the FDA approve Lotronex? From the number of deadly drugs approved by the FDA, one wonders whether making them affordable is in the public interest??? The Los Angeles Times reports that within the last 3 years, the FDA has struck out 9 times by approving deadly drugs in an approval process that is corrupted by industry affiliated FDA advisory panels. The FDA officials disregarded the significance of concerns raised by an agency medical officer who examined the drug before its approval. They chose a paid consultant to Glaxo to serve with an advisory committee that recommended approval of the drug. If the FDA relies the advice of drug company representatives who want their company's drugs approved--and ignores warnings from its own unbiased experts--WHY DO WE NEED THE FDA? ~~~ http://www.latimes.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/www.latimes.com/ne ws/nati on/updates2/lat_lotronex001102.htm LOS ANGELES TIMES Thursday, November 2, 2000 | FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety Health: Times study finds officials sided with drug maker on regulatory concerns. Agency reevaluation is underway. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--In the drug's first eight months on the market, five people who took it died. Several others underwent bowel surgeries--one had a colon removed. A total of 49 patients developed ischemic colitis, a potentially life-threatening complication. As a result, the Food and Drug Administration is now reevaluating the safety of Lotronex, a drug intended to treat women with a nonfatal disorder, irritable bowel syndrome. But a Los Angeles Times investigation of the FDA's handling of Lotronex found that over the last year agency officials repeatedly played down questions about the drug's safety while siding with the manufacturer, Glaxo Wellcome Inc., in important regulatory decisions. The FDA officials disregarded the significance of concerns raised by an agency medical officer who examined the drug before its approval. They chose a paid consultant to Glaxo to serve with an advisory committee that recommended approval of the drug. They agreed with Glaxo not to place a highly visible black-box warning on the label of Lotronex. Rather than wait for Glaxo to conduct a major new study of the drug's link to ischemic colitis, the agency approved the pill on a condition that the study would take place after the drug entered the market. The study has yet to begin. And for the last several months, the officials have declined, in the face of data gathered by FDA epidemiologists, to seek withdrawal of the drug. The FDA's handling of Lotronex is the latest example of how the pressure to get new drugs to market can clash with the agency's mandate to protect public health and safety. Since 1993, the agency has dramatically stepped up approvals of new drugs submitted by the $100-billion pharmaceutical industry, with fortunes rising or falling on sales of a single medication. In the last three years, the FDA has been forced to withdraw nine drugs from the market after reports of deaths and injuries linked to the compounds. An FDA administrator, Dr. Florence Houn, on Wednesday defended the agency's decisions on Lotronex but added, FDA is concerned about the serious adverse event reports of ischemic colitis and severe constipation associated with Lotronex. When the agency approved Lotronex, Houn said, officials suspected that the ischemic colitis seen with the drug was nonfatal and reversible. 3 Deaths Not Linked to Drug, Firm Says A representative of Glaxo, Dr. Allen Mangel, said the company has investigated three of the five deaths and believes those events were not caused by Lotronex. Mangel said Glaxo has not been able to adequately probe the remaining two
CSNAVIDAD trojan virus
IMPORTANT NOTE : Norton and Macafee both have upgrades available for the latest W32 Trojan out named NAVIDAD EXE. Please don't open it if you get it , These viruses can make life miserable and the NAVIDAD name makes people believe it is a Christmas thing. Robert
Re: CSBeck success, misc. observations
Because of toxic Mercury and Thallium in the amalgam fillings that leech out. - Original Message - From: brick...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:09 PM Subject: Re: CSBeck success, misc. observations snip If Cs penetrates teeth, why should root canals, crowns be pulled? The Cs should have killed any pathogen even down in the roots of the tooth. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: DC zapper; AC adapters ('wall warts')
How about splicing in a GFI from the hardware store ---(Ground Fault
Interrupter)?
- Original Message -
From: Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe: DC zapper; AC adapters ('wall warts')
Hey Russ -
I recommend a 120VAC to 120VAC isolation transformer spliced into an
extension cord for medical-grade protection. Plug into that.
- Original Message -
From: russ e rosser russros...@juno.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: DC zapper; AC adapters ('wall warts')
| Regardless of the normal output of a self regulated or otherwise
| regulated
| wall wart [step down transformer], if they short internally YOU, yes
| you,
| may become connected to mains voltage.
|
| JOH
|
| I guess it's possible (although how many often are electronic devices
| been fried by their transformers? After appliances disintergate, I've
| always retained the power supplies so I have a whole box full of them,
| and they all either 1) function correctly or 2) die completely.)
Anyway,
| I'll check on how small a fuse I can find for in-line isntallation.
| --Russ
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CSAnother form of prevention
Our attempts to explore alternative health considerations has, at its bottom line, preserving the quality of life. Occasionally, someone comes along with an insight that seems a little off the usual beaten path or illuminates the bottom line from another perspective. This just came in to me, impressed me, and seems worthy of passing along to you as information. However, if you want to vent any opposing opinions, let's take them off site : Robert Bartell Paul Harvey on Gun Control Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter? CONSIDER: In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide: Homicides are up 3.2%; assaults are up 8 %; armed robberies are up 44%. In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in safety has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in ridding society of guns. It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. Take action before it's too late, write or call your delegation. OPINION: Paul Harvey on Guns Paul Harvey's comment on Columbine High shootings: How can we blame it all on guns? For the life of me, I can't understand what could have gone wrong in Littleton, CO. If only the parents had kept their children away from the guns, we wouldn't have had such a tragedy. Yeah, it must have been the guns. It couldn't have been because half our children are being raised in broken homes. It couldn't have been because our children get to spend an average of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation with their parents each day. After all, we give our children quality time. It couldn't have been because we treat our children as pets and our pets as children. It couldn't have been because we place our children in day care centers where they learn their socialization skills among their peers under the law of the jungle while employees who have no vested interest in the children look on and make sure that no blood is spilled. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to watch, on the average, seven hours of television a day filled with the glorification of sex and violence that isn't fit for adult consumption. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to enter into virtual worlds in which, to win the game, one must kill as many opponents as possible in the most sadistic way possible. It couldn't have been because we have sterilized and concentrated our families down to sizes so small that the children we do have are so spoiled with material things that they come to equate the receiving of the material with love. It couldn't have been because our children, who historically have been seen as a blessing from God, are now being viewed as either a mistake created when contraception fails or inconveniences that parents try to raise in their spare time. It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that actions don't
Re: CSDISTILLED WATER
Thanks Ivan -- thats a plus! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: Re: CSDISTILLED WATER Boil away Robert, but there is no Ozone in distilled water, and if there was, it would not inhibit the production of CS and may even improve it. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Robert Bartell rbart...@drfast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2000 02:19 Subject: Re: CSDISTILLED WATER Duncan: Makes sense! Robert Bartell PS. Think I'll continue to boil off the ozone when I switch to HVAC ARC CO2. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: beef and dairy
I know, I know .. but some women are easier to compromise with than others. Thats as far as mine would go on this new non-dairy regimen. Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 5:59 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: beef and dairy Well Robert, You definitely are taking poison if you eat margarine. I would take my chances with butter personally. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Robert Bartell rbart...@drfast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2000 21:32 Subject: Re: CSRe: beef and dairy Hi Terri L., My wife settled on the margarine I can't believe its not butter brand and thats the best compromise I could get out of her on the butter. It does contain some dairy buttermilk, but that is the fourth item on the list of ingredients by volume. So I guess we can't get completely away from dairy hormones, but at least we're cutting a long way back. Personally, I miss the ice cream (Breyers) the most! Sigh... Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: annho...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: CSRe: beef and dairy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:no milk
Soy milk . rice milk - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CSRe:no milk On the subject of NO MILK how do those of you who have gone off cope with: 1. Calcium in absorbable form 2. Milk substitution in baking cooking etc etc 3. Making kefir?? or yogurt [ ;) ] Regards, Judith. [A milk avoider...]
CSA buck is a buck - A pound is a pound!
Another interesting one just in from England: * Dolly cloning company to set up diabetes arm PPL Therapeutics, the UK company which cloned Dolly the sheep, said on Friday it would set up a subsidiary to study the use of human stem cells in the treatment of diabetes. The new company - to focus on the conversion of stem cells into insulin-producing islet cells - may be separately listed, possibly on Nasdaq, said Dr Ron James, the managing director of PPL. We could offer equity to academic groups whose intellectual property we need to make it all work, he said. This technology has significant potential, which is currently largely unrecognised in terms of shareholder value. One way of realising this is to create a subsidiary company. Islets are small groups of endocrine cells in the pancreas that secrete the hormones insulin and glucagon. Stem cells have the ability to develop into various types of specialised cells including blood and nerves. The new company will focus its efforts on ethical stem cell research, which does not require a human embryo. Source: FT.com Robert Bartell
Re: CSvirus
Tracy, Tell you what I'm going to listen very favorably to a long time scientific researcher and Naturopathic Physician who has a 95% success rate with advanced cancer patients that other doctors have given up on (over 100 case histories). You are quite correct that a lot of the rest of the medical community doesn't know doesn't want to know . are bound to adhere to the AMA protocols of Radiation, Chemo or Surgery and NOTHING ELSE. Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark will probably never ever get the recognition she deserves in this lifetime. but her work is all published for anyone to access and follow. If she says parasites and you don't believe her.. what proof to the contrary can you offer? Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: CSvirus Dean Lets just say life is one big virus and be done with it. Sorry, I don't agree. Allopathic medicine ALWAYS calls something a virus when they have no answer for it! As for obesity - whatever happened to eating too much? Doesn't anyone want to take responsibility for what they do any more. Everyone seems to think they have the answer to illness - If Hulda is right, why doesn't anyone else know? I am not disputing that she isn't right, what I did say is that she seems to blame just about every illness on parasites. Diabetes for instance, is a Westernised disease. People living in remote parts where the food is natural and unrefined, just don't get the high incidences ofdiabetes as the Western world. In other words, it is being caused by diet. So how does that relate to parasites. One could say that the parasites are in the junk food, or uncooked meat - but for centuries people have been having meat cooked improperly, and not getting diabetes. The programme I watched last night blamed a certain substance in milk for childhood diabetes, and so on. Everyone thinks they have the right answers I find it al little confusing and don't know who to believe at times. I dunno about you, but it makes sense to eat a good unrefined diet, exercise and sleep well, don't hold grudges, treat others as you would have them treat you etc. I wonder how Hulda would explain the link between arthritis and unforgiveness for example. It has been scientifically proven as well, that what we hold in our minds affects our bodies. Food for thought Tracy. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHere's an interesting thought!
From the Buffalo Chips for Monday: Maybe Al Gore is on to something! Guess what?!?!? I won the Florida lottery! I'm now a multi-millionaire! Can you believe it?!? I'm bouncing off the walls here! You see, my ticket doesn't have the exact winning numbers on it, but I meant to pick those winning numbers. The ticket is very confusing when I was filling it out and so I ended up with the wrong numbers on my card. But since I really meant to pick those other numbers, they're going to give me the money anyway They really shouldn't make those darn cards so hard to fill out!!! And even though I was confused, I didn't ask for help because no one would have helped me anyway. If the FL State Lottery won't give me the money, I'll just sue them!!! + Robert Bartell
Re: CSvirus
Nail them parasites and hammer them to death~! ;-) Right Vince? Heh Heh - Original Message - From: V. Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:04 AM Subject: Re: CSvirus To a person whose only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 9:29 PM Subject: CSvirus Dean Lets just say life is one big virus and be done with it. Sorry, I don't agree. Allopathic medicine ALWAYS calls something a virus when they have no answer for it! As for obesity - whatever happened to eating too much? Doesn't anyone want to take responsibility for what they do any more. Everyone seems to think they have the answer to illness - If Hulda is right, why doesn't anyone else know? I am not disputing that she isn't right, what I did say is that she seems to blame just about every illness on parasites. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS
Mercury amalgam fillings, despite the assurances of the American Dental Assoc., are NOT safe. And sometimes the mercury is polluted with thallium which is even more toxic than mercury. Over time, mercury leaches out of the silver or gold filling and enters your system to play havoc. If you want a good starting point to correcting general health problems get rid of these fillings (replace them) or have the teeth pulled. Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor t...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: CS I have been told several times that the results obtained by CS is effected by the fillings in teeth? Is this true? Blessings Ted -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBANZAI BARRETT
Thanks for posting this Bill D., as I was searching for just this info myself. Saves me a lot of time and I won't missplace it again. As I recall, he also claimed affiliation with some university reaseach dept. which was exposed as untrue! There are truly some really evil people in this world, credentialed and otherwise! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: BILL D To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: CSBANZAI BARRETT by Tim Bolen Everyone in the American Health movement knows about the legal troubles (the Indiana case) dumped on Hulda Regehr Clark - and the outcome. What many don't know is that there is, and was, a plot to cause her these problems - and that there is one specific individual, a kingpin, an aging propagandist, behind it all. His name is Stephen Barrett, and he is a de-licensed MD, operating out of his basement in Allentown, PA. Barrett is now, and has been, conducting a wild-eyed onslaught against world health humanitarian Hulda Regehr Clark. PhD, ND. Early in 1999, Barrett ordered his minions, including his personal attorney Christopher Grell, to mount an all-out, anything goes, attack against Clark. Clark's books had been selling well, far better than Barrett's books. With big promises of financial reward, Barrett had advertised on his website (quackwatch.com) for, and found, a female plaintiff to claim that Clark had somehow damaged her at Clark's research clinic in Mexico - a bogus lawsuit against Clark and twenty one other defendants. Barrett's attack against Clark didn't stop with just that bogus lawsuit. Barrett goes far further than that. He mounted an all-out attack, one that if Clark supporters hadn't been prepared for, might have worked. THE EVIL ASSAULT AGAINST CLARK. (1). Apparently, in early 1999, Barrett ordered attorney Grell to file criminal charges against Clark with the Federal Bureau of Investigation in San Diego. The FBI declined to investigate (they had better things to do), but did run an NCIC check which, we all know, ended up in Clark's arrest on seven year old charges, which were later dropped, in Indiana. (2). During the case activity, Barrett sent an emotionally disturbed man, who blames Clark for his mother's death of cancer, to a Clark rally for the express purpose of disrupting it. The man claims that although his mother never did Clark's protocol (he wouldn't let her), that somehow Clark is still responsible for his mother's death. Barrett, who has had Psychiatric training (although never Board Certified), was well aware that this man had said in public I don't know what I'd do if I ever met Clark. Barrett sent him anyway, and did not notify police of the potential danger to Clark, and her supporters. Fortunately, Clark supporters, monitoring Barrett's chat group (healthfraud.ssr), intercepted the discussion, and alerted authorities. The man was ordered off the property, and Clark was kept safe. (3). Barrett's heir apparent to the quackbuster throne is, I believe, Terry Polevoy, MD, a pimple doctor in Canada. Polevoy is now, and has been, under investigation by Canadian authorities for a number of reasons. According to the Canadian press, Polevoy entered Canada as a draft dodger from the United States. Polevoy stalked Canadian Radio personality Christine McPhee for months, and other females for shorter periods of time. Polevoy may have ceased his clandestine following of McPhee, and others, after police raided his home late one night, questioning his activities. Canadian medical authorities are investigating allegations of mental instability and professional misconduct against Polevoy. Polevoy could lose his medical license. Polevoy operates a hate website where he specializes in attacks against leading-edge health professionals that spurn the heavy prescribing of dangerous drugs. Polevoy conducted such a virulent attack against Clark in Canada that Clark Supporters felt it necessary to put an armed cordon around Clark when she was the guest speaker in Toronto. Toronto police were standing by to assist. Polevoy's website was turned off by his original provider, but he has since found space for his virulence from another fringe group.. (4). Barrett conducts an internet campaign to disrupt Clark's activities and her support network. (a) Barrett has set up a system whereby when someone searches for Clark information on the internet, they are sent to a series of websites, including his own and Polevoy's, where virulent dis-information is thrust at the reader as authoritative. The websites are run by a house painter in Ohio, a 22-year old veterinary student (who works with Polevoy) in Canada, an unemployed computer consultant (whose wife supports him) in Australia - not by anyone
CSAcronyms
Be it known that Robert Bartell hates Acronyms! He hardly ever gets the right translation and insists that they are only used by people who are too lazy to type. Some examples: PCMCIA - People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms BASIC - Bill's Attempt to Seize Industry Control ISDN - It Still Does Nothing APPLE - Arrogance Produces Profit-Losing Entity WWW - World Wide Wait SCSI - System Can't See It DOS - Defunct Operating System IBM - I Blame Microsoft DEC - Do Expect Cuts CD-ROM - Consumer Device, Rendered Obsolete in Months OS/2 - Obsolete Soon, Too MACINTOSH - Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs PENTIUM - Produces Erroneous Numbers Thru Incorrect Understanding of Mathematics COBOL - Completely Obsolete Business Oriented Language AMIGA - A Merely Insignificant Game Addiction LISP - Lots of Infuriating Silly Parentheses MIPS - Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed WINDOWS - Will Install Needless Data On Whole System GIRO - Garbage In Rubbish Out MICROSOFT - Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teenagers Have a good day!
Re: CSRe: beef and dairy
Hi Terri L., My wife settled on the margarine I can't believe its not butter brand and thats the best compromise I could get out of her on the butter. It does contain some dairy buttermilk, but that is the fourth item on the list of ingredients by volume. So I guess we can't get completely away from dairy hormones, but at least we're cutting a long way back. Personally, I miss the ice cream (Breyers) the most! Sigh... Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: annho...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:51 AM Subject: CSRe: beef and dairy Hi Ya'all, For an old codger like me who really enjoys beef , milk, and butter, Me thinks thuo protesteth to much. Ole Bob Bob, I like butter, eat it daily(bought from a health food store). I like meat also, but am allergic to beef but have it on occasion. I say to you enjoy. :) Hi Ole Bob, Based on recommendations re: my wife's diabetes, we stopped all dairy products and she has been improving ever since. Haven't given up on beef though, just cut back on it and eat more pork and chicken and turkey. We are omnivores! The dairy products and beef that we are talking about ARE NOT the same products that you and I grew up with! Since Monsanto Chemical started selling their crap to the dairy industry the products changed ... and the younger generation out there needs to know that. The cumulative effects may be slow ... may be insidious - long term! Robert, I agree... beef and dairy are not what they were 40 yrs ago and its a shame. You read so much negative information about our food today, antibiotics, hormones, food chain farm animals being fed meat byproducts, genetically engineered seeds...TILT! ...it gets to be too much information. I think people just tend to ignore as we are creatures of habit/comfort. I am thankful for my illness in some regards, it has forced me to research all of this to regain health and prevent future problems. Its the reason I found this list. I eat meat and butter, don't plan on giving them up. But milk... no thank you. Not just because I was weaned along time ago and milk has no nutritional benefits for humans, causes mucous to form in nasal and throat areas, milk allergies, etc., but after watching 20/20 or 60 min. and saw a special on dairy farms and what they strained out of the milk... no way! Not to mention what they give the cow(hormones/antibiotics) before they milk it and what the results of that are afterwards due to antibiotic resistant bacteria. Fast food burgers. Yes, I do have them on a rare occasions but usually get the chicken(questionable also) After reading somewhere, maybe this list, you shouldn't eat fried chicken anywhere as its not in the hot oil long enough to kill whatevers lurking on that chicken. Sorta takes the fun out of lets get a quick lunch. Fast food beef has to be on the bottom of the barrel as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure in the future we are going to start seeing some health issues surrounding these places. I personally know of a case in the N.E. states of a man who died from mad cow disease. A long, lingering disease process which made it hard to diagnose until the end(8 yrs I think). That info was kept in the family. A fellow from the funeral home told these people that this was the third case he'd seen, that was a few years ago. Tip of the iceburg? The upside of all this is, I always have my bottle of CS handy incase any bugs from this stuff decide to play havic with my system. :) Terri L.
Re: CScontaminated samples
Say, (I'm scratchin my head, now) but isn't this the same Dr. Barrett who had his license to practice pulled, started some kind of non-profit quackwatch and lied about its medical affilliations?.. Sounds like this guy has his own agenda! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: CScontaminated samples In a message dated 11/11/00 3:49:51 AM EST, nwgr...@inet.net.nz writes: Subj: CScontaminated samples Date: 11/11/00 3:49:51 AM EST From: nwgr...@inet.net.nz (Nick Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi to whoever wanted to know where I read about CS have micro-organisms in it. It was on a website written by Stephen Barrett M.D. entitled quackwatch or something. He was disputing CS being of any good to anyone, and said that 2 of the samples tested contained micro-organisms. No doubt you have come across it. What's the story? Tracy. Tracy: I my opinion Dr. Barrett is not interested in learning the truth about CS. When I asked him if he was aware of the late Professor Gibbs' published work on CS efficacy Vs particle size, he never responded; not the trait of an open minded investigator. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnerve ganglia
High Hughman1, S, the ulcers are diabetic in origin? On your lower legs? If so, the CS is also for external application to them (painless) to prevent infection, promote healing and if you add some MSM to the CS, it will help to reduce scarring and scar tissue around the nerves. .Read my earlier posts and get off all dairy products to ameliorate the effects of diabetes and go to http://www.notmilk.com for lots of additional info in Robert Cohen's archieves. I wish you well and hope to hear good news from you as you start turning these problems around. Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: hughman1 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:43 PM Subject: Re: CSnerve ganglia Robert, I sit on a chair liner full of magnets at work every night (courtesy of the other person who uses my chair in the daytime). It works well. No backache as long as there is full body contact. If I hunch over I can still get a backache. Yes, I take CS every day. No measured amount-just a swig now and then. CS has no effect on diabetic ulcers, though, because the problem is blood flow, not infection. Silverlon might help, though, if I could afford the 80 bucks for a roll! Hugh
Re: CSDr. Barrett and his License to Practice Medicine
Hi Roger, Seems to me there was a little more to it than that some time ago ... ?? Well, I'll just have to go digging into my files its there, someplace! If he's the same one, then I can assure you that he's no friend of anything alternative to the establishment! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: CSDr. Barrett and his License to Practice Medicine In a message dated 11/11/00 3:51:38 PM EST, rbart...@drfast.net writes: Say, (I'm scratchin my head, now) but isn't this the same Dr. Barrett who had his license to practice pulled, started some kind of non-profit quackwatch and lied about its medical affilliations?.. Sounds like this guy has his own agenda! Robert Bartell Bob: I receive the HF forum daily. The way I've heard it, Dr. Barrett is retired. Since it costs him money to keep his license current, he opted to let it expire. I have no reason to discount his explanation. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDISTILLED WATER
Duncan: Makes sense! Robert Bartell PS. Think I'll continue to boil off the ozone when I switch to HVAC ARC CO2. - Original Message - From: Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:52 AM Subject: Re: CSDISTILLED WATER | If your DW says that boiling is required before oral consumption.. that | has got to be very poor quality DW. Dump it! Regards, Robert Bartell Hi Robert; It's my understanding that the standard boiling instructions are only in case of potential bacterial action that starts after the water has been bottled. After all, it has no protection from pathogens, and the bottles aren't all that sterile. In any case if you're making colloid for yourself at home, you can rest assured that any pathogens will be killed by the colloid. Heck, you can make great colloid from creek water that would have no live bacteria in it. BUT for sale purposes, we don't need any more sniping from the detractors that there was bacteria found in the CS sample, do we? Even if they never checked to see if they were dead. That's why ozonated water has no such instruction. It's been treated. ciao Duncan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBYU and colloidal silver
Hi Linda,
As I posted earlier, my whole family takes 2 ounces per day of 10 PPM - 1
oz. in the morning and 1 oz. at bedtime - to maintain a somewhat constant
level of CS circulating in the body's system. Since I make my own, cost is
negligible. This resulted from a long period of trials at different doses.
This level seems to be best (minimal) for us and whenever any symptoms out
of the ordinary start to show up, (rarely) the dose is doubled for a day or
two and they disappear. Every body is different and since the toxicity of
CS is so minimal, there is lots of room to test for a comfortable minimum
maintainance dose for each individual. Keep notes and post back the results
you are experiencing. . Regards: Robert Bartell
- Original Message -
From: linda coombs coom...@ev1.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: CSBYU and colloidal silver
At 11:02 PM 11/01/2000 GMT, you wrote:
Hi All,
I just did a web search on BYU silver and here's some of what showed
up.
snip-snip..
Hi there everybody, Here's a good {maybe for a good laugh} newbie
question , in light of those test results done invitro, would invivo ppm
need to be the same? And what would that be, approximately? In other
words: what would the dosage need to be to whammy the little critters
in the body?? Help!! Help!! You Smart Ones out there!!!LC
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Re: CSColloidal Silver in milk
Hi Ole Bob, Based on recommendations re: my wife's diabetes, we stopped all dairy products and she has been improving ever since. Haven't given up on beef though, just cut back on it and eat more pork and chicken and turkey. We are omnivores! The dairy products and beef that we are talking about ARE NOT the same products that you and I grew up with! Since Monsanto Chemical started selling their crap to the dairy industry the products changed ... and the younger generation out there needs to know that. The cumulative effects may be slow ... may be insidious - long term! For now, however, I'll eat my steak and wash it down with a beer. I'm satisfied just keeping the IGF-1 hormone reduced for my wife's benefit. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver in milk Hi Ya'all, For an old codger like me who really enjoys beef , milk, and butter, Me thinks thuo protesteth to much. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnerve ganglia
Hugh, Thanks! Hey whatever works ... right? Are you also taking CS daily? Have you been following the posts lately on using magnetics for pain relief? Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: hughman1 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: CSnerve ganglia Robert, I always take 8 grams at a whack, though I often only take it before going to work. I started taking it a year ago when I was suffering from the symptoms of aspartame poisoning but thought at first it was neuropathy. I probably could drop it down now. I've heard of MS and Scleroderma patients taking 80 grams a day in order to achieve results. Best Wishes, Hugh
Re: CSCatching up
Joanne ThomasonHi Joanne, Heh, heh Yup, it sure would be waggin' unless, of course, I was on point! ;-) Regards: Robert Bartell PS. Good Post! - Original Message - From: Joanne To: silver-list Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:14 PM Subject: CSCatching up snip-snip If you were a dog would your tail be waggin? Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
Re: CSOT MS Elliott
Hi Jeannine, Good post! Good advice! Would appreciate any additional info you can provide, either on the silver-list or off list. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: deat...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: CSOT MS Elliott Elliott: First of all, all the Bare, RIfe, etc will do nothing for you or your patients, if they still have their contaminated mercury amalgrams, crowns, bridges, etc in their mouth. Please clarify (and copy me privately) with an answer to this. The reason? Getting involved with blood electropurification devices could drive the metals to further cross the blood brain barrier, if they haven't already. (In most MS patients, it already has, but that's another story and protocol.) Thanks, Jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUnknown perils in the food supply chain
I'm posting another little bit of news from England as an example of what can happen to an unprotected person in today's environment. This is why I and my entire family each consume a minimum of 2 ounces daily of colloidal silver. It affords a great protective barrier against the unexpected and uninvited pathogen which can turn up in the food supply from time to time (like e-coli). The cost is negligible if you have your own generator. I'm not paranoid ! Its just that life is so much more enjoyable while you are in a healthy state! Here's the article and best of health to all seekers on this list: Robert Bartell HEALTHCARE, etc * CJD victim 'loved burgers' A 20-year-old woman who died from CJD was a devil for McDonald's and regularly ate Campbell's Meatballs, an inquest heard. Kirsty Garven, from Chester, ate the same sort of food as the rest of her family, said her mother Jennifer, but added that she would go out at night and have a burger. She was not a great beef eater but loved Campbell's Meatballs. No one else in the family liked them but she ate them a lot, said Mrs Garven. Kirsty, a financial administration officer at Marks Spencer, died in July after showing symptoms of CJD for a year. Her death from the human form of BSE was one of three cases heard at Crewe Coroner's Court. The other victims were Thomas Gemmel, 17, and Alison Thorpe, 25. Coroner Nicholas Rheinberg said all three had died unnatural deaths caused by CJD from contaminated beef in the food chain. He recorded verdicts of misadventure on each. Source: Staff reporter Useful link: http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/
Re: CSnerve ganglia
Some good results reported from taking large doses of MSM - like over 1 gram daily. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Janet Lubart To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: Re: CSnerve ganglia Thank you, Marshall. Does the magnetic pulser work for severe nerve pain as well? My dad has brachial plexitis which is a horrible nerve pain in his shoulder. He has turned down morphine because he does not want to get addicted. Does anyone have any other thoughts on how to treat nerve pain? Thank you, Janet -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: Re: CS'Triple Jab(MMR) Autism A changing magnetic field induces a current in any conductor. That is how a generator works. The magnetic pulsar than pulses magnetically and generates current around the magnetic field lines. This allows the current to be inside areas where a zapper does not get to, such as lymph nodes. It works wonderfully for lymph nodes and nerve ganglia. I don't know about intestines, just an idea. Marshall Janet Lubart wrote: Dear Marshall,Can you please explain eddy current as well as how well it could work.Thank you,Janet -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: CS'Triple Jab(MMR) Autism I am not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the mechanism, or how well would it work? The mechanism would be the same I believe as how it works with the lymph nodes. The sharp change in magnetic field causes an eddy current to be generated in the tissue which kills the pathogens. Marshall Janet Lubart wrote: Dear Marshall,How would the mag-pulser work in the abdomen?Sincerely,Janet -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: CS'Triple Jab(MMR) Autism Have you tried olive leaf extract? Also you might try magnetic pulsing the abdomin. Marshall Mary wrote: Dear List, My son has this bowel problem from the vax. No matter what I do, he has this inflammation of the colon (autistic enterocolitis) Does anyone have any suggestions? I have him on a paleo diet and he has improved but there is this artificial measles virus (from the MMR) in the colon that invades the mucosal tissues. All suggestions appreciated. Thank you, Mary _ 'Triple Jab Autism (MMR) Could Be Next BSE' [By Sarah-Kate Templeton Health Editor in the Sunday Herald, UK.] http://www.sundayherald.com/news/newsi.hts?section=Newsamp;story_id=12363 The consultant who first suggested that the MMR vaccine causes autism has warned MSPs that government failure to face up to the danger will lead to a catastrophe on the scale of the BSE crisis (Mad Cow Disease). Dr Andrew Wakefield told a Scottish parliament cross-party group on autism, launched in Edinburgh last week, that the UK faces an epidemic of the lifelong disorder. He renewed his call for single vaccines to be used to immunise against measles, mumps and rubella. On a two-day visit to Scotland, Wakefield - a consultant gastroenterologist at the Royal Free Hospital in London - hit out at Sir Kenneth Calman, the chief medical officer in 1998. In the official report into the BSE crisis, Calman was blamed for saying that beef was safe. Wakefield said Calman had taken the same approach to the MMR scare. Calman had warned that a wave of lethal epidemics could sweep Britain if parents went on refusing combined vaccines. The former chief medical officer had said there was no need, on the basis of evidence presented by Wakefield, to change vaccination policy. Wakefield said: These same people have been seen as victims of their own handling of BSE, and that is where we are heading with the MMR. It is going to take a strong body of people that are not prepared to be pushed around to prevent a similar situation. I feel strongly
CSColloidal Silver in milk
It's been reported in this list that some people are putting colloidal silver in their milk. It can't hurt and probably helps a whole bunch! However, it doesn't have an effect on the Monsanto Chemical increased hormones in the milk. In any event it appears that the word on dairy products is getting out. Just received this post from Robert which is quite interesting. Regards: Robert Bartell Dear Friends, The wholesale price of milk has never been lower. Eighteen months ago, farmers were receiving nearly $18 for 100 pounds of milk ($18 per hundredweight). Today, they net $8.50 per hundredweight, and the future looks dim. Last year, producers were selling blocks of cheese for $1.44. Today, cheese is selling for 98 cents per pound. When I began the AntiDairy Coalition four years ago, there were 240,000 dairy farms in America. Today there are 83,000, and I just don't see how many thousands more will avoid bankruptcy this winter. Future prices (commodities) reflect no optimism for the dairy farmers of America. June futures are under $10. People are consuming less milk, and dairymen continue to inject their cows with dangerous genetically engineered hormones. This leads to a market in which more milk is supplied as demand decreases. Is something wrong with this picture? I recently lectured with Ralph Nader in Washington, DC to a group of dairy farmers. Imagine me getting a standing ovation from milk producers? On that day, Nader and I both shared an opinion and a vision: Genetically engineered milk hormones are dangerous for cows, consumers, and the financial future of dairy farmers. One day, we will have just factory farms with hormone-fed stressed animals. That day will bring America closer to a time when nobody will eat the toxin-laden flesh of animals nor drink their body fluids. I am off to San Diego. Be back late Sunday. Robert Cohen
Re: CSnerve ganglia
Try obtaining from a veterinarian. They use DMSO quite a bit on animals, especially horses. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: johannus faustus To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: CSnerve ganglia He has turned down morphine because he does not want to get addicted. it is my understanding that, if the opiate is absorbed for use like this, it is not addictive. that is to say, if it is absorbed into the area where the pain is and is used for that, one doesnt get addicted or build up a tolerance in the same way. when one uses it for recreation, one takes 'too much' of it, and that is when addiction occurs. i could be wrong, though. personally, i dont use painkillers, even though i have a very painful arthritic condition. randall i am trying to find out where i can get some dmso.
Re: CSMaking your own energized water
Uh Huh, ... You let your wife do it, didn't you? ;-) - Original Message - From: Bob Ratliff bobratl...@iname.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: RE: CSMaking your own energized water The only results I can see is I wasted some time. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff bobratl...@iname.com ICQ 1495914 AIM mtncurr22 SE Tenn. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Why is everything my wife does wrong is MY fault! * -Original Message- From: Carol Mike Fuller [mailto:car...@touch88.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:44 PM To: Silver list Subject: CSMaking your own energised water When completely drained, flip the bottles over once more and repeat the action, this time going from the magnet to the non-magnet bottle. Voila, your water has been 'energised'. Transfer it to another container or simply cap with a different lid. If anyone tries this, please let the group know any results. Namaste Mike Fuller -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrosemary jacobs
Thanks Marshall -- that link was fascinating to say the least. There are references to a blue race in ancient history but I was under the impression that there were no more of them. (the Urantia Book, especially). regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Re: CSrosemary jacobs Maybe Rosemary should move to Troublesome Creek. http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/fugate.html Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver in milk
Come on now! It isn't the farmers who are being taken to task but the Chemical and Pharmaceutical Companies who are directly responsible for contaminating the food supply and causing grievous death and injury ... all for a buck. Robert is right in attacking them through dispersal of information that causes people to stop purchasing those products. In Belgium, recently, all dairy products were taken off the market for a month or more due to high levels of dioxin - a nasty toxic carcinogen. now read this from Dr. Mercola's latest health newsletter: Quote: Cancer and IGF-1: Another Reason to Avoid Milk - According to a recent editorial in the British Medical Journal, The risk of cancer is higher among people with raised concentrations of insulin-like growth factor-I. This adds more evidence as to why milk should be avoided after early childhood. Milk from synthetic growth hormone treated cow's is even more dangerous, as the levels of IGF-1 are even higher. Regards, Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Scharbach To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:45 PM Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver in milk Huh? Where?I'd like to get some of that. . . . Cheese in our part of the country tops 2.65 a lb. I understand that the person who wrote this is totally anti dairy, but crowing over the fact that many people are losing their family farms, and a way of life, seems pretty ignorant to me. THere are many MANY farmers out there who do not use Rbgh or Rbst in their dairy farming operations. There are also many famers looking into organic farming, dairying included. In addition to that, humans were made to be omnivores. Those who choose the vegetarian or vegan way of life, are certainly welcome to it. Wonder where they'll find THEIR unadulterated food when to quote Cohen, we will have just factory farms. . . . The more family and small farms driven out of business by low prices for their commodities, the more factory farms we'll have. And that will include the raising of our grains, beans, etc, that vegans and vegetarians need to eat as well. :~( Heather From: Robert Bartell Last year, producers were selling blocks of cheese for $1.44. Today, cheese is selling for 98 cents per pound.
CSDancing to the Health Tune
Dancing to the Health Tune could be described as two steps forward - one step back Agggh! Know anybody into organic gardening? Pass this along! * Pesticide link to Parkinson's Gardeners could be at risk of contracting Parkinson's disease through a commonly-used pesticide, scientists have suggested. Experiments on rats showed a strong link between ROTENONE - a natural product extracted from the derris plant, and a mainstay of organic farms and gardens - and the disabling illness which causes muscle rigidity and shaking. Professor Tim Greenamyre, of Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, writing in the journal Nature Neuroscience, says rats repeatedly given rotenone not only develop the symptoms of Parkinson's but acquire the distinctive microscopic lumps in the brain, known as Lewy bodies, that are a sure sign of the disease. These results, he adds, indicate that chronic exposure to a common pesticide can reproduce the anatomical, neurochemical, behavioural and neuropathological features of Parkinson's disease. Source: Staff reporter Useful link: http://www.shef.ac/uk/misc/group/epda/parkuk/htm FYI - Robert Bartell
CSDiabetes Monsanto Cows CS
It seems to do nothing but get worse and worse in spite of logical answers and suppression of evidence. Check this out -- just came in from England -- ! * Diabetes affects one in 20 One in 20 of the world's adult population now suffers from diabetes, according to the latest figures. The first global diabetes atlas reveals that more than 151 million adults now live with the condition. Professor Sir George Alberti, president of the International Diabetes Federation, says that number is set to double in the next 25 years. He said the westernisation of people's lifestyles is leading to a rapid spread of type 2 diabetes, particularly in developing countries. Type 2 or adult onset diabetes is associated with obesity, poor eating habits, and a sedentary lifestyle. The world atlas reveals that the disease is rising between younger, economically productive people, and is particularly prevalent in urban areas. In the UK around 1.4 million people have been diagnosed with diabetes, but Diabetes UK believes a further one million have the disease without knowing it. Source: Press release Useful link: http://www.diabetes.org.uk/ FYI : Robert Bartell PS. Putting CS into your milk to clean up on the pathogenic contamination is a great idea -- effective protocol -- and well advised. But be aware that it does nothing to lower the increased levels of the hormone IGF-1 that we are now getting from the Monsanto Cows and the concentrated amounts of same in dairy products.
Re: CSquestion for the SMART ONES
Joanne ThomasonIs there a a negative connotation to SMARTIES ? Duuhhh ... I dunno! - Original Message - From: Joanne To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:55 AM Subject: CSquestion for the SMART ONES I have a question for all youSMARTIES I sent a message to the silver list and it went instead to some one named Jan @ hot mail, com. How did this happen she sent it back , you may have seen it but I am sending it again. I had it addressed correctly, the silver list being in my address book. Does this happen often? Thank you Joanne If you are contagious with happiness please pass the germs.. Hi Joanne, I think I got this email by mistake..My name is Jan I don't know who you are.. Thank. From: Joanne sami...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGaston and Carbs Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:12:01 -0800 Joanne ThomasonHi Gaston--Thank you for your information. It was very interesting. If you look at the diet of so many of our younf people and hwo many of them spend their time it is no wonder that diaetec is on the rise. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
Re: CSDSMO
DMSO is a liquid which might be modified into a gel ... but in its natural form, is a liquid. - Original Message - From: Duncan Crow To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: CSDSMO http://www.search.com/click?sl,marin.1.118.44-142-28-46-182-102-505.0.0.DMSO.0,http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edmso%2Eorg%2F Welcome to the Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) information center. This should answer all. It's a nontoxic solvent that fattens up cells, removes wrinkles and gets Sulfur into your system. It also reduces cross-linking and moves colagen around MSM is the other more modern choice. DMSO is a gel; MSM is a crystalline powder. ciao - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: CSDSMO People here seem to be using a substance called DSMO for mixing or cutting with CS. What is its purpose or chemical makeup? Why would it be necessary or advantageous? Thank you. suzy
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction
OK -- You caught me just in time! Keep me posted! Got my fingers crossed! Regards Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction Hi Robert; Don't run out and buy that spark plug yet. I am not sure that I want to use it. I made two run today and am not sastisfied yet it. I will refigure the lid as it was in the past and rerun a gallon. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose
Joanne ThomasonThanks Joanne, I was having the same reservations about Torres. We'll see! Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Joanne To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose I sent Dr. Torres message regarding a vaccine for diabetes to a f friend who speaks spanish and was able to read his links. I also asked him the question regarding fructose. His responses follow. He is very knowledgable abourt nutrition. Joanne Dear Joanne Since diabetes type II is not insulin-dependent (that is, the person's pancreas produces insulin normally), but insulin-resistant (that is, the insulin does not produce the expected results), it is clearly a bodily dysfunction that can be restored with proper care. I know that aerobic exercise, weight loss and proper food will do the trick. Other things might work too. Now, the way Alex Torres introduced his vaccine is quite suspicious. Firstly with some irresponsible declaration about eating habits (in his previous message); secondly, with so many useless references to the doctor who invented the vaccine. It does not add value to know that he taught Che Guevara or that his father's bone are in the Rotunda. The immunization process he mentions is very well known. It has been used to treat a bunch of diseases, from acne and pustule to cancer and several other degenerative diseases. The results have always been more or less inconclusive. Now, I want to be very careful about this because altough I find everything here very suspect, I still think it might be worthwhile to do some additional research. It is a well-known fact that the tradional labs do not support medical research that leads to cheaper treatments, especially of those diseases that force the patient to take medicine for the rest of theirs lives. This represents trillions of dollars a year and no lab wants to lose this. Also, researches conducted outside the US are not readily accepted by American authorities. I read one of the articles mentioned by Alex Torres. Unfortunately, it is not a good document. It is emotional. It mentions 600 patients cured of several diseases, especially diabetes. But the way they prove the cure it by quoting the patients themselves. No blind test, no double blind, no lab tests are referred to. It still may work, but the articles are not acceptable. So, I am NOT saying this auto-vaccine can not work or will not work. What I am saying is that it requires further investigation before someone decides to take the risk of having manipulated blood re-injected in his/her body. Since the blood is his/her own, risk is minimum, but still exists. Especially because flasks can be intermixed, etc. Also, good eating habits plus exercise will not only control diabetes but also bring other benefits. So, the most conservative and the safest decision is try this first. The general tone of Alex' messages coincides with the tone I found in the articles and papers he mentions: the cure does exist, but Mexican authorities are not interested in acknowledging it; American authorities will not recognize his merits; ... Nothing he says is necessarly wrong, but suspicious. In my opinion people should not eat any form of purified or refined sugar. This includes fructose. In fact, sucrose, saccharose, glucose, maltose and the several other ose are all empty calorie. What this means is very serious. Let's say you eat 100g of any of these sugars. You'll get 400 calories, but no vitamins, no minerals, no proteins, no fat. You still need such nutrients, so you'll have to eat additional food to get those elements. What is worse: your body can not process sugar without consuming enzymes, vitamins and minerals, so you'll have to eat MORE in order to compensate for the nutrients the empty calorie food used up. So, you have two good reasons NOT to eat any form of sugar: a) excess calories; b) nutrients depletion. Now, fructose, in a sense is better than all the other sugars, the reason being it has a low glycemic index, which means it does not play havoc with your insulin/glucagon production, as the other sugars do. So, from the point of view of insulin resistance, fructose is better. From the point of view of nutrition, it is the same. There is another little factor in favor of fructose: since is it 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar), you would take less to have the same effect, so you tend to end up with a little less empty calories. Now, there is a situation where you should NOT be affraid of fructose: when you eat fresh fruits, like apples. In this case you'll be ingesting little fructose (maybe 15 g
Re: CS64 Kennedy's/ Resonant CS
pre-1964 Kennedy Silver half dollars --- N! those are coin silver and not pure enough for good CS --- runs around 90% silver. What you are looking for are bullion dollar coins that are pure silver -- 99.999 Fine! or 1 oz silver ingot bars that can often be acquired from a good coin dealer. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: harvey norris harv...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:04 AM Subject: CS64 Kennedy's/ Resonant CS Brother Robert has produced two 1964 Kennedy Silver half dollars for CS production, I assume these are safe to use? A water container to fit inside the large 56 Henry coil has dimensions of 4 inch diameter and 11 inch length. The Tesla Electric Co, can procure the large induction coils for others, but they are very expensive,$666.00 + and 45 delay days for rewinding after recieving coil, not to even mention horrendous shipping costs from Ohio. The coil companies will not supply an inside lead which is why rewinding is necessary. TEC currently has five 23 gauge coils and one mislocated 24 gauge coil. Four are engaged with other projects and this one is dedicated to the production of CS water. Thus I will not not be able to test production of BRS colloidal water for this immediate time period. However the resonance of a single coil should be able to produce a less efficient effect. In this scenario the sample of water is simultaneously subjected to the magnetic field from the inductor as the 4 by 11 inch water cylinder is contained at the center of this magnetic field. The normal impedance of the 56 Henry coil @ 1000 ohms 23 gauge 20,000 wind coils is 5.6 ma current consumption made by ordinarily simply plugging the coil into the 60 hz, 120 volt wall outlet. Placing the coil into approximate series resonance then uses four .5 uf caps in series to deliver ~ .12 uf to the coil for 60 hz resonance. These coils will never fully resonate due to massive internal capacitance, and a normal 75 ma conduction is made in a single wall voltage resonance, which is improved with a binary sytem to 85 ma. In the single coil case a ~15 fold resonant rise of voltage exists. The container of water is then hooked to this resonant rise of voltage via silver half dollar immersion of coin only under surface of distilled water: placed either in parallel to the coil or capacitive system. Additionally the container of water is placed in the inductors magnetic field to act as a potential stirring action induced by the 90 degree lorentz forces that act as electric and magnetic field interactions when these fields are at right angles. The predicted actions here are that high voltages will be initially present at the silver electrodes, and that this resonant rise of voltage will quickly drop in coordination with the conductivity of the solution. No arcing is used in this process. The water short acts as a regulator: as it becomes more conductive, less voltage is delivered because the voltage rise is dependent on the resonance: where the conductivity of the solution in parallel to the resonant voltage rise in turn shuts that voltage rise down, thus always theoretically delivering consistancy in batches to produce a batch in coordination not with time of exposure, but rather when a certain reduction of amperage consumption as noted/ or when a certain level of voltage to the (AC) process is reached. Additionally any possible effects of the colloidal water making the coil appear less or more inductive will be noted and posted to list if that parameter shows up. Placing this water sample in the coil does not change the inductance or impedance of the coil by any percentage of amperage consumption currently measured in reactive condition. I am very uninformed upon this field, but recently viewed Bob Becks VHS tape, and I am also building the Zapper referenced by Keelynet. I am VERY impressed by everything! So if someone can post a note that silver coins are safe to use for CS water I will start making it according to my wall frequency AC resonant method and report the results to list. I really admire Bob Beck's self less ethic, but the info about garlic being so detrimental caught me by surprise, I am a garlic lover too! On Bob Beck's video that I saw his sample from a 9 volt battery appeared to produce CS in a matter of minutes, and he declares simplicity as the solution, but we always have others (like myself that wonder too much)how simple can anything be? Can we really make it better? These are the ongoing actions of the dream of ego: the self maintaining: self perpetuating structure known as self delusion... a tibetan axiom Sincerely, Harvey D Norris Tesla Electric Company = Binary Resonant Systemhttp://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb124201 __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions
Re: CSUngray Hair
Sudden Shock Syndrome! - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm galing...@chariot.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: Re: CSUngray Hair Yes - I was even thinking of trying colloidal copper then heard adverse results and wondered... BTW my hair turned grey/white overnight after surgery - was a terrible shock to see my hair colour gone. Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSstructured water hooey?
As I understand it, the homeopathic solution is comprised of the water and that water's energy structure combined with the energy structure of another non-water element minus the physical presence of that element (by repeated shaking and by repeated dilution). - Original Message - From: serit...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: Re: CSstructured water hooey? Hi Can anyone explain to me the difference between a homoeopathic solution and structured water? Thanks, Serita -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPlagues and chemtrails......hmmm
experiments by an unidentified government agency for an unknown reason or purpose, perpetrated by large twin engine tanker aircraft with no markings on them at all check out http://www.artbell.com and see if he still has any of this stuff still up on his site. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: tmtw...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Re: CSPlagues and chemtrails..hmmm does anyone know why this stuff is being sprayed? what is the motive behind all this..if anyone has a web site or explanation..please let me know. thankyou. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS'Triple Jab(MMR) Autism
Good job on this post, Mary - From what I hear, colloidal silver is a safe and effective colonic. It has been suggested that one could increase the internal consumption amount to several ounces per day and supplement with daily enemasVicious viruses need to be attacked aggressively! Don't skimp on the CS! I certainly hope that you have your own generator to keep the cost down to only a few dollars.: Robert Bartell. - Original Message - From: Mary mo...@inow.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: CS'Triple Jab(MMR) Autism Dear List, My son has this bowel problem from the vax. No matter what I do, he has this inflammation of the colon (autistic enterocolitis) Does anyone have any suggestions? I have him on a paleo diet and he has improved but there is this artificial measles virus (from the MMR) in the colon that invades the mucosal tissues. All suggestions appreciated. Thank you, Mary _ 'Triple Jab Autism (MMR) Could Be Next BSE' .
Re: CSUngray Hair
Has anybody else heard that grey hair results from a copper deficiency in older people? Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: CSUngray Hair Marsha, great idea and what a novel way to use CS! Is this something one should do everyday, and if so, for how long? Knowing the effectiveness of CS it should'nt take long to kill the bloomin bugs. Will be forever grateful to you if my ol gray hair starts to grow back. For Health and Beauty For Life, Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS PPM
Hey Willie, Do you recollect just when it was that your friend started turning blue? You'll find the basic info on this in the archieves and much more by following along on a daily basis with the postings to this list. Personally, I have some doubts about your friend taking a mega-dose of this proportion! Regards, : Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Willie L. Forbes r...@zwallet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 2:36 AM Subject: CS PPM I have heard that the higher the ppm is the better the CS quality. I have an associate who claims he is using 500 ppm which is suppose to be much better for you therapeuticly. He claims that the 5ppm is not enough to have any value health wise, and that you would have to consume much much more to have any real effect. I don't know this is all new to me. Can someone help? Willie L. Forbes Join zWallet.com and get paid to email! Please use my User ID (rich)when asked if someone referred you. Thanks! http://zwallet.com/join.html?user=rich __ Get Paid... With Your Free Email at http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=rich -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRepercussions of Socialized Medicine
Ran across the following and am passing it on for whatever its worth to you. It continues to astound me that so many of our politicians still favor the socialization of our medical system. Asses! : * Irish doctors regret going into medicine Almost a third of all doctors in Ireland said they would reject medicine as a career if they were back at school, according to a survey by the Irish Medical Organisation.Among femal doctors the numbers were as high as 36%, compared to 29% among male respondents. Some 42% of the country's junior doctors said they regreted going into medicine, compared to a quarter of GPs and consultants. Increasing workload and fear of litigation were cited as two major concerns in the profession. Source:www.bmj.co.uk Regards, : Robert Bartell
CSPolitical Humor
Political humor is widespread and pops up on multiple sites. Tomorrow it will be all over for a while. I apologize to Mike and others for introducing it here. The following example from another site best expresses my sentiments. Regards: Robert Bartell. Not all fairy tales start with, 'Once upon a time', some start with 'If I am elected'. -Various * NOTICE: Tuesday November 7th is the voting day for all parties in the United States. In some cases one could vote earlier than that but no one will be scheduled to vote on Wednesday November 8th. I have had several irate writers who thought I was deliberately trying to get the Democrats not to vote on Tuesday from the tftd for November 2nd. I assumed that besides the obvious fact that election day is on the 7th the clues that two friends who are Democrats (emphasizing the last four letters) had the text reversed would both be flags that this was a fun piece. tftd regrets any angst that this has caused. from: tft...@tamu.ed (Thought For The Day List)
Re: CSRe: Diabetes
Very good Gaston, Appreciated that! Would also offer the consideration that those Mexicans living in the US consume more dairy products that contain increased levels of the IGF-1 hormone, thanks to Monsanto Chemical. Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Gaston obouc...@colba.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 4:13 PM Subject: CSRe: Diabetes For people interested on this subject only. Pls read the highlighted paragraph referring to carbohydrates... The attached text was obtained from the following address: http://www.thirdage.com/news/ap/hlth/20001105.3a05d687.5542.3.html?std Gaston -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction
Hi ole Bob, Over the week-end and today, I have acquired all the PVC pipe and fittings that you specified and purchased a brand new Actown transformer, 120 volts primary in and 12,000 volts at 30 mA out - secondary mid point grounded. I think we now have enough to proceed with construction while I go shopping for the CO2 tank, flow meter and valves. Sounds like Vince and a couple of others are looking over our shoulders as we get this unit up and operating, so we'll keep it on the list instead of going off-line if that's ok with you. Ready for Phase II. What do we do next? Regards: Robert Bartell
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction
Hey Vince, Looks like Ole Bob's model, which I hope to duplicate, sinters off much finer particles from the anode by arcing HV through co2 gas. The particles also carry a stronger electrical charge.(Longer shelf life) He describes his unit as HVAC ARC CO2. The PVC pipe and fittings are for construction of a dry ice cannister that will feed CO2 into the top of the DW jar. The CO2 tank (same as they use for soft drinks) will replace the dry ice CO2 unit for more serious control over the CO2 with pressure valves and a flow meter. In case you missed it, here is what Ole Bob said in a previous post. The CS that I make with the HVAC ARC method does not settle out. I think the only one that makes it for sale to clinics is Dr. Bill Biagioli. He told me that he has gotten out of the retail business. Check the CS with a laser pointer if the T.E. can be seen in normal room lighting then it is not very good. The HVAC ARC has almost no T.E. when viewed in a dark room. The Transmission electron microscope pictures of my HVAC ARC CO2 is in the 1-2 nm and the 6-8 nm range. Ole Bob Hang in here and read the posts daily. You'll get the same instructions I get from Ole Bob and we'll all confer as we go along. Should be interesting! - Original Message - From: V. Richter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction Flow meter, valves, CO2 tank? sounds like a great mixing mechanism. I hadn't planned on mixing, but it may be a good idea. Is that the purpose? Thanks, Vince - Original Message - From: Robert Bartell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:40 AM Subject: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction Hi ole Bob, Over the week-end and today, I have acquired all the PVC pipe and fittings that you specified and purchased a brand new Actown transformer, 120 volts primary in and 12,000 volts at 30 mA out - secondary mid point grounded. I think we now have enough to proceed with construction while I go shopping for the CO2 tank, flow meter and valves. Sounds like Vince and a couple of others are looking over our shoulders as we get this unit up and operating, so we'll keep it on the list instead of going off-line if that's ok with you. Ready for Phase II. What do we do next? Regards: Robert Bartell
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction
Hi Bob, I understand, I think? Anyhow I'll get the spark plug on Wednesday. Tomorrow I'll be working from 5:30 AM till 9:30 PM as an election official. Things are coming together -- there's ozone in the air~! Regards, : Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction Hi Robert. With the PVC piping for the dry ice method you will not need the CO2 tanks, etc. I will make the jar cover so that we can do both. One other item, now this may sound strange but go to an auto parts store and get a Bosch platinum spark plug. That will be the center electrode. Do you have DMM with AC current scales? Tomorrow I will send you the dimension for cutting and gluing the plastic Dry ice holder. The change in viscosity is a VERY interesting phenomenon. Ole Bob: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction
Hi again Bob, I have an old VOM and also a DMM, but I'm not sure about the current scales bit. Will have to dig out the original instruction book to find out. (It's been a while) Regards, Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 8:19 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Generator Construction Hi Robert. With the PVC piping for the dry ice method you will not need the CO2 tanks, etc. I will make the jar cover so that we can do both. One other item, now this may sound strange but go to an auto parts store and get a Bosch platinum spark plug. That will be the center electrode. Do you have DMM with AC current scales? Tomorrow I will send you the dimension for cutting and gluing the plastic Dry ice holder. The change in viscosity is a VERY interesting phenomenon. Ole Bob: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnidentified subject!
Thanks, Sir Richard, Everybody seems to have great healing spring waters or mineral waters starting with that from Lourdes in France. Just too many to sort through! Good project for somebody who can run some definitive and comparative tests for publication. Best regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Sir Richard Beresford-Wylie dazer_internatio...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject! Dear Robert Sorry I do not know!!.Given all the Emails on the Silver List regarding Energised Water I did my own Search. I sent the list Members the details of this inexpensive product, made in Germany and sold through the English Company listed. The other Interesting news I fond is regarding one of The purest spring waters---from the Highlands of Scotland Many Health claims for this Water www.deesidespringwater.co.uk and www.jointmobility.co.uk Best wishes Richard -Original Message- From: Robert Bartell rbart...@drfast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 04 November 2000 19:31 Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject! Richard, does the water flow through the spiral unit or simply over it to create a vortex or whirlpool motion? It's hard to tell from the illustration. Does the funnel come with it or do you have to scrounge around to find one to fit? Can you elaborate any on the principles that the unit is based on? Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Sir Richard Beresford-Wylie dazer_internatio...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:59 PM Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject! For those with a belief that Energised Water is the answer see www.waternet.clara.net/aquavortex.htm Cost around $15 Best wishes Richard -Original Message- From: A :. A :. superflo...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 01 November 2000 07:32 Subject: CSUnidentified subject! by jumpin' christ... you just HAVE to love somebody with the big swinging brass ones to try and gouge out $75 for a quart or so of energised water that they spent thousand of dollars on the equiptment to develop. and this on the authority of (they) heard of a fish that didn't suffocate. what more ringing endorsement could any reasonable being possible want? please take my millions of dollars and do with it what you will and evidence be damned. you are really drunvalo melchizidek in another inicarnation aren't you? i'd bet yer at least friends. i live in winterhaven california. come visit :-( (640 first ave. space #3) Dennis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS and the boogy man
Right on, Roger: An inquiring mind is a hell of thing to live with, isn't it? I'm still digging for that other info for you! Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: Re: CS and the boogy man In a message dated 11/4/00 1:40:36 PM EST, rbart...@drfast.net writes: Bob: I would be most interested in the reference behind your 4 day silver retention figure. I'll dig it out and get back to you! Using myself as a guinea pig, I got a much larger time period. How did you determine this? Bob: I sampled my urine and feces over several months and did a material balance to make the estimate. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgermany
Hi Nick, I've seen you on this site for a while, lately, so I know that you know exactly what to do: cut a couple of 14 ga silver wire leads, solder them to some 9Volt battery connectors and mail them to him with an instruction sheet. He can buy the three 9V batteries in Germany. Yaaa? Das ist goot? :Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: CSgermany Hi everyone I have a friend in Germany want to acquire some CS. Does anyone know a Latin or German website that he could find out some info from. What would Colloidal Silver be called in German? Hoping someone can help. He has a very sick little boy. Tracy. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source?
Hi Vince, Any manufacturer of Neon signs can get you one. Code now requires the transformers to have ground fault interruptors for certification. The older ones didn't have them and you can probably find a good deal around for a used one. New ones are around $100 - $120 retail. Used or old style should be about $35 to $40, Good Luck and good hunting! :Robert Bartell Oh, by the way, thanks to ole Bob on this list for this info! - Original Message - From: V. Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source? To all HVAC/ARC method folks, What is a source on the internet of Transformers in the 120/15,000V range? I am interested in the HVAC/ARC CS production method to get smaller particles and higher ppm batches. My background is as a Navy electrician where I learned to try not to electricute myself or anyone else. Also, there is a direct conection between high voltage gone astray and fires. My local CS supplier demonstrated this method for me the other day and he has a life saving story to tell about his last five years of CS use. Briefly: he was exposed to an explosion in Nam which left him with several internal souvenirs. Now he successfully fights recurring infections with the inonized CS made with HVAC and two arcs. I hope he joins this list if he hasn't already. Tim, you there? Thanks, Vince Richter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source?
Hey Vince, You're welcome! If you can afford a new unit with a GFI, go for that! As for going the other way (without a GFI), if my house burns down, I'll let you and Ole Bob know right away although I don't think that its much of a risk! Regards. Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: V. Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source? Thanks Robert, By the way, is a GFI going to be a problem? It doesn't seem like it would since the current to ground should still be zero if all goes as planned. I just wanted to make sure. There is a neon sign place in my town. I'll check there first. A new transformer wouldn't be out of my reach financially. Vince Richter - Original Message - From: Robert Bartell rbart...@drfast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source? Hi Vince, Any manufacturer of Neon signs can get you one. Code now requires the transformers to have ground fault interruptors for certification. The older ones didn't have them and you can probably find a good deal around for a used one. New ones are around $100 - $120 retail. Used or old style should be about $35 to $40, Good Luck and good hunting! :Robert Bartell Oh, by the way, thanks to ole Bob on this list for this info! - Original Message - From: V. Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: CSHVAC/ARC Transformer source? To all HVAC/ARC method folks, What is a source on the internet of Transformers in the 120/15,000V range? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrosemary jacobs
My understanding of the research focuses on particle size. Electro-colloidal silver in the .001 Micon to .015 Micron range freely circulates in the systems and in the course of normal events is completely flushed out of the body in 4 days or slightly less. This is why we take daily maintainance doses -- to retain a level of presence. This means that the body does not accumulate these small particles.; without an accumulative effect Argyria does not occur. On the other hand, introduce large particles in the body that do not freely circulate (and rapidly lose their electrical charge - are no longer ionized) and the bodys metal scavaging system will deposit them out of the way near the surface of the skin (Argyria). Bear in mind guys that this is, of course, an oversimplification to explain this in simple terms that most people can understand. You would require a couple of volumes to get the complete scientific explanation. What it boils down to is that there is no necessity for scaring the hell out of the less educated (ala FDA tactics) about Argyia. Colloidal Silver IS SAFE! You are spinning your wheels trying to figure out what volumes equate to Argyria. If the body retained all of the silver put in it, then it would be a different story - but it doesn't. --- Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:58 AM Subject: Re: CSrosemary jacobs In a message dated 11/3/00 5:56:00 PM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: Roger, The lowest recorded amount of silver to cause argyria, that I have seen, is 900mg over the course of a year orally, which equates to 90 L of 10ppm CS. Another study, as reported by Dr John Hill, estimated that the minimum oral dose for producing argyria is 25 to 50 grams over a 6 month period, which equates to 2,500 to 5000 L. The 900mg result seems to be out of step with all other estimates. Silver Nitrate is soluble in water 222gm AgNO3 per 100gm of water. Silver nitrate solutions contained about 10% AgNO3, this equates to a 37,400 ppm solution as silver, ie 37,400 mg per litre or 37.4 gm per litre. 10 ml of this would supply 0.374 gm of silver! So you can see that not too much of this brew is required to reach the limits as shown above, and of course some people will be more susceptible than others. Not many cases of argyria considering the numbers of people who used these products. Ivan. Ivan: From the figures above it seems quite likely that silver nitrate is the real culprit simply because it is capable of transporting so much silver into the body in a relatively short time period. So I would be interested to know if there is ANY documented case in which CS caused argyria? If not, isn't it safe to say that it is PRACTICALLY impossible for CS to produce argyria. On a related point, do you have any data at all that equates CS's in vivos efficacy to particle size? Even from a qualitative point of view such as Tyndall, conductivity, color, clarity? Finally, do you think there is any truth to the claim that using a low quality CS (large particle size) is the best strategy for attacking infections in the stomach and intestines because of the (presumed) slower rate at which these particles ionize? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: NOTMILK STOSSELED BY A HOSTILE FOSSIL
- Original Message - From: Robert Cohen i4c...@idt.net To: notm...@egroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:14 AM Subject: NOTMILK STOSSELED BY A HOSTILE FOSSIL Dear Friends, Last night, 20-20 ran a story on DIOXINS in Ben Jerry's ice cream. From now on, when I see an attempt by the media to alter truth, I will refer to it as a stosselism. Any reporter who attempts to become a corporate shill will be referred to as a stosselist. A lie will be called a stossel. Conjugate the verb. I stossel, you stossel, she stossels, they stossel...we all stossel. Here is a partial transcript of last night's show. I begin with the ending. After the reporter stosseled, Barbara Walters said: They won't like you. John Stossel's response: The ice cream's safe. There are low levels of dioxins in all kinds of food. I have Ben Jerry's in my freezer. My kids eat it. It's high in fat, but it's safe. It's this feel-good environmentalism that galls me. Earlier in the four minute segment, Stossel explained: Dioxin...it's absorbed in animal fat, and that's how most of it gets to us...EPA considers dioxin a cancer risk...there is dioxin in the ice cream...there are 13 pats of butter in a cup of Ben Jerry's ice cream. Do you think people know that? Stossel had cited Steve Milloy's junkscience.com website. Milloy tested Ben and Jerry's vanilla ice cream, and found it to contain 200 times the safe level of dioxin. The Department of Environmental Protection repeated the tests, and found consumers eating ice cream containing 2,200 times the safe level of dioxin. Stossel intentionally failed to reveal the actual levels of unsafe dioxins. His report revealed only their presense. His logic? DEP calls it a cancer risk, but he serves it to his kids because feel-good environmentalists gall him. The name of Stossel's editorial segment is: GIVE ME A BREAK! I'd like to ask ABC to do the same. I've been stosseled more than I care to admit, and this is the last stossel. To paraphrase a famous philosopher: There are stossels, damned stossels, and statistics. Today's wish is for Mr. Stossel to become a statistic. 20-20's credibility will forever be questioned when stosselists stossel. Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCan Anyone Offer any Help to this Woman? Her Email Address is Included.
I can. I did. I referred her to Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D. the only one that I know of for the incurables to go. Her 95% success rate with advanced cancer speaks for its self. -- Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Scharbach moho...@sofnet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CSCan Anyone Offer any Help to this Woman? Her Email Address is Included. I wish I could Roger. THis is sickening. Sparrow apologize for the length of this e-mail and for the intrusion, but I have become desperate in finding some relief for the sake of my two young daughters. Thank you for your time and consideration. miacarl...@aol.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS and the boogy man
- Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: CS and the boogy man In a message dated 11/4/00 10:50:09 AM EST, rbart...@drfast.net writes: Subj: Re: CSrosemary jacobs Date: 11/4/00 10:50:09 AM EST From: rbart...@drfast.net (Robert Bartell) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com My understanding of the research focuses on particle size. Electro-colloidal silver in the .001 Micon to .015 Micron range freely circulates in the systems and in the course of normal events is completely flushed out of the body in 4 days or slightly less. This is why we take daily maintainance doses -- to retain a level of presence. This means that the body does not accumulate these small particles.; without an accumulative effect Argyria does not occur. On the other hand, introduce large particles in the body that do not freely circulate (and rapidly lose their electrical charge - are no longer ionized) and the bodys metal scavaging system will deposit them out of the way near the surface of the skin (Argyria). Bear in mind guys that this is, of course, an oversimplification to explain this in simple terms that most people can understand. You would require a couple of volumes to get the complete scientific explanation. What it boils down to is that there is no necessity for scaring the hell out of the less educated (ala FDA tactics) about Argyia. Colloidal Silver IS SAFE! You are spinning your wheels trying to figure out what volumes equate to Argyria. If the body retained all of the silver put in it, then it would be a different story - but it doesn't. --- Robert Bartell Bob: I would be most interested in the reference behind your 4 day silver retention figure. I'll dig it out and get back to you! Using myself as a guinea pig, I got a much larger time period. How did you determine this? As far as scaring the hell out of people, that comes from ignorance, something this list is dedicated to eradicate. I certainly concurr! However, without detailed discussions of the type represented here, how in the world do you expect to learn anything. That's what we are doing! Vendors are cretainly a questionable source. Don't you think? Oh yes! They certainly are questionable! Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStaking a bath
Hi Suzy, Absorption thru the skin --- sure! Just fill up the bathtub with DMSO and . NO, No, don't do that --- I'm just teasing with you! Seriously, CS is great for cuts, scratches, and especially burns to prevent infection. The best easy protection comes from taking it orally on a daily basis, spraying the nose and throat or as eye drops. Keep reading the posts and archieves this is really great and safe good stuff! Hang in there Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: Re: CStaking a bath Everyone seems to discuss taking CS orally or by another form of administration. What about putting CS into bath water? Are there any studies or knowledge on absorption rate? Would it also absorb through the skin? Thank you. suzy
