Re: CS>Anyone Here Selling CS?

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

I have been making it and selling it to a few local chiropractors for 
several years now.  They have me print their own label for it so that the 
label sends customers back to them.  One doctor gets 5 gallon bottles from 
me of it and we put a removable pump from a water store on top so he could 
refill bottles for people.  He buys his own 16 oz bottles for selling.  If 
you check with your local pharmacy, they should be able to get cases of 25 
brown or orange pharmaceutical grade plastic bottles for you at a reasonable 
price.  Try the chain stores first so you don't get nailed for shipping 
costs.  Chains usually get bulk deliveries from their suppliers once or 
twice a weak.  Generally you want to provide enough service for these people 
that they don't think of making their own.  So free delivery helps and a 
money back, no questions asked guarantee for their patients.  Also letting 
them know that you will never leave them with stock they can not sell or 
with out dated stock.  Hope this helps.


Ian


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From: "Josh Armstrong" 
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:13 AM
To: 
Subject: CS>Anyone Here Selling CS?

Thought of selling CS, but wanted Intel before/if I get started. If any of 
you market and sell CS what are the regulations and rules for both federal 
and your state? Is it worth selling to people or stores? Looking to make 
some supplemental income.


Regards,
Josh
TN


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Re: CS>HELP! How can I save an infected painful tooth?

[ian_ontario]

Not really what you want to hear: A root canal followed by a crown.  Been 
there, done that. Tried for over a year to save two abcessed teeth to no 
avail.  Finally they started to affect other teeth and I had to have four - 
yes four 4 root canals done within a week.  Within a few days of the work, 
the infection cleared up with antibiotics. Still have to get the crowns done 
and possibly a bridge.


Ian

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I am suffering from constant severe tooth pain in a compromised upper 
right molar. A temporary was put in a couple years ago due to nerve pain 
when filling. i was frugal in flossing between the molar because 



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Re: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

[ian_ontario]

If the parasites are growing under the skin, itching is a common symptom.

Ian

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From: "jessie70" 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:48 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE


Does Morgellans itch? Jess

-Original Message-
From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE


Hello:

Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease.  She took one 
drop

the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes.
The creepy crawly feeling left overnight.  The most dramatic developments
were within the first few days.  In two days her arthritic pain was gone.
Her energy level was up within a week.  Within two weeks the lesions had
totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well
as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the
second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could 
do.)

She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the
healing was initiated by the MMS.  MMS just doesn't like parasites period.
There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth 
getting.


Ian Roe

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From: "Clayton Family" 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE


Question:   I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that
peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a
different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is 
confusing

me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if
the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide
bath, it would be more like a  bleach bath.  This post is similar to the
one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't
have my archives going back that far.  -k.

On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote:



Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the
laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer




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Re: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease.  She took one drop 
the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes. 
The creepy crawly feeling left overnight.  The most dramatic developments 
were within the first few days.  In two days her arthritic pain was gone. 
Her energy level was up within a week.  Within two weeks the lesions had 
totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well 
as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the 
second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could do.) 
She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the 
healing was initiated by the MMS.  MMS just doesn't like parasites period. 
There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth getting.


Ian Roe

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From: "Clayton Family" 
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

Question:   I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that 
peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a 
different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is confusing 
me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if 
the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide 
bath, it would be more like a  bleach bath.  This post is similar to the 
one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't 
have my archives going back that far.  -k.


On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote:



Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the
laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer




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CS>Molecula silver

[ian_ontario]

http://mmsdr.com/index.php?page=moleculasilver

Can anyone tell me if this is just another "my CS is better than your CS" 
thing or if there is something substantial to what he is saying at his site? 
It bothers me that the solution is high in nitrates - silvernitrate ring a 
bell?  And the fact that there is no Tyndal Effect in the product?


Ian Roe 



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CS>psoriasis

[ian_ontario]

I must post a success story about CS and psoriasis.  

A young lady in her mid 40's came to me  on our nursing unit with disfiguring 
psoriasis on her hands and elbows.  She had been struggling with this for many 
years.  Her only help was from  prescription 2% Hydrocortisone cream at $125 a 
tube and while it kept it in check the rough hands and disfiguring appearance 
remained. ( Prolonged use of HC cream has systemic effects on the body 
especially when applied over large areas) With the very first use of CS her 
hands began to tingle and her skin began to feel smoother.  She began using it 
3-4 times per day from a spray bottle.  2-3 weeks later she came to me with 
wide eyed smiles and she showed me her skin.  The only sign that remained was 
noticeably reddened skin in the areas affected but the roughness was gone and 
all the scales and dead skin gone too - skin that appeared to be well on the 
way to total healing.  It takes about 6 weeks for skin to replace itself from 
the inside out, so I expect to see further improvement in the coming weeks.  

A fellow who came to me many years ago had a 1/2 centimeter spot on his scalp 
that has itched for many years.  No prescription creams helped. He put some CS 
on a Q-tip and applied it.  The itch left immediately and NEVER CAME BACK.

Don't be afraid to offer someone who has this problem a free spray bottle of 
CS.  It is true that there is a strong emotional component to this problem and 
the fact that you let them know that you noticed it may cause an initial 
reaction from them.  BUT the benefit received will bring years of lasting 
comfort and gratitude.



Ian Roe

Re: CS>MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement

[ian_ontario]

Hi Dan:  Was away for a week or so.
No I don't really.  The vaginal cancer disappeared in my friend over two 
months, the brain cancer in a week or so.  I really don't know. Cancer is 
such a multifaceted disease - not a simple thing for many people as you 
already know.  We all love the one shot cure idea don't we?  I just know 
that good stuff happens when MMS is taken and it varies with people.


Ian

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From: "Dan Nave" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:08 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement


Ian,

With your experience, do you have any thoughts on dosages and how long
it needs to be used, or how long it can be used?  Any caveats?

Dan





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Re: CS>Miracle Mineral Supplement NOT Chlorine Dioxide

[ian_ontario]

I suppose you could do that Steve but the best way to avoid the nausea is to 
start slow and build up gradually one drop at a time.  At the slightest hint 
of nausea,  decrease by a drop or two for a couple of days, not just one day 
and then start increasing slowly again.  I was up to 25 drops a day at one 
point and was trying to beat out an infection in my gums and slipped up to 
30 without the gradual increase. My thinking was, one drop to two drops was 
a 100% increase, so 25 up to 30 drops wasn't so much and after all, I was 
pretty tough, 260 pounds and all.  I was wrong. I sure had the SEVERE nausea 
and vomiting but only for a couple of hours and abdominal discomfort 
continued on for 12 hours or so. It was enough of a shock to my system that 
I didn't touch the stuff again for over a month, a whole month when I could 
have benefited from lesser amounts but didn't because of the aversion 
produced by my experience.


Vitamin O, sold by RGarden  www.rgarden.net in the USA is a 3% solution of 
sodium Chlorite. People have been using that under the tongue, topically and 
orally with excellent results.  I wouldn't try 28% like that though, I'd 
dilute it down. Jim makes mention of the 3% solutions available on the 
market and that initially, that is what he used - he points out that you 
need to use about 6-7 times as much of this solution for the same results. 
I remember using Vitamin O when I heard about it and used 10 to 30 drops 
under the tongue for benefit.  We felt the energy almost immediately, 
breathing became better etc.  That's why we thought it actually was a form 
of Oxygen that the body better utilized.  Nobody that I knew at that time 
was activating it with any type of acid and no mention of chlorine dioxide 
was ever made by anyone in those circles. I tried the Rgarden site today - 
couldn't get it but they may be down for site maintenance for a few hours. 
They've had their warnings from the FDA but I don't think they have been 
shut down.


Ian

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From: "Norton, Steve" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:23 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Miracle Mineral Supplement NOT Chlorine Dioxide


Marshall,
Not to keep everyone on this subject forever but your post brings up a
question. First, I have read the full book by Jim Humble, used MMS and I
am familiar with the protocol for using MMS. I did reach the point where
I overdid the MMS and spend a miserable day recovering from the nausea
et al. Could one minimize the nausea risk by taking part of the MMS
treated with citric acid and a second dose of MMs without the citric
acid treatment to reduce the initial peak level to something tolerable
while increasing the extended benefits without increasing the nausea
risk?
Thanks,
Steve





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Re: CS>MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement

[ian_ontario]

Those are good points Mike.  One friend of mine took MMS and her Morgellon's 
disease went away - nearly a year has passed now and there is no recurrence. 
In the process, it eliminated her 'second time round' vaginal cancer tumor 
(size of a walnut with the shell on).  It also eliminated a brain cancer 
from another friend.  I spoke with someone a month ago and his prostate 
cancer went away. I'm just one person who knows three people it has helped. 
It is true that some people have spontaneous remissions any way but their 
problems showed no sign of going away until they used the MMS.  I'm sure 
this can be multiplied many times over, all over the world.


Sense and sensibility are the keys.  Read and listen and watch the materials 
that are readily available. Comparatively little can be learned about this 
MMS from email conversations only that emails can draw attention to the 
stuff.  www.jimhumblemms.com remains the most complete resource I have seen. 
There is also a video out called "Understanding MMS" which has an MD being 
interviewed in it who has a clinic in Mexico.


Ian Roe

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From: "M. G. Devour" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:08 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement


Andy writes:

Chlorine Dioxide boils or becomes a gas at 11 deg. C or 52 deg. F. It
is classified as very toxic by the European Union.


You mix a few drops of a sodium chlorite solution with a weak organic
acid like vinegar, lemon or lime juice, or citric acid, which produces
a very small quantity of chlorine dioxide, which is mostly dissolved in
the liquid, though you can smell it, as well. Then you add this to some
apple juice or something and chug it...

Yes, Andy, if you mixed a significant amount of sodium chlorite with a
bunch of acid, it'd create enough chlorine dioxide to be seriously
harmful. That's the toxicity they're talking about.

You can also drown in a swimming pool, or die from eating the pool
chemicals.

MMS is powerful stuff and has definitely helped some folks, but you
MUST NOT remain ignorant if you are going to attempt to use it.

Nor should anyone decide NOT to learn about MMS just because somebody
else chooses to say scary sounding things about it.





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Re: CS>MMS - what is the protocol?

[ian_ontario]

see www.jimhumblemms.com  - lots of stuff there, online videos audios etc.

Ian

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From: "David Bearrow" 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:04 PM
To: 
Subject: CS>MMS - what is the protocol?

There are several hundred posts about this MMS on the silver list. 
They all have a vague subject line. Most of the posts are cryptic 
responses. I have been unable to figure out what your talking about. 
Can someone repost the full protocol (what it is, what it does, and 
how to do it) with a descriptive subject line?


David


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Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

[ian_ontario]

I read through the posting at  the website and although there are two or three 
statements that don't ring true and there is a lot of missing information, I 
feel that for the most part the statements made were thought out and careful 
and generally true.  What there is , is a lack of the anecdotal information 
that we are all used to seeing, accepting and parroting and of course none of 
our personal experience.  The writer just isn't on the same page that most of 
the people on the list are on.

One of my clients sold some CS to a person who had horrific acne all over his 
back, pustules etc and general infection.  Medical Abx creams did not help.  
After two - three sprays of CS, it started to clear up.  When they returned to 
the Doctor he exclaimed that they must have been using their Rx ok.  They 
replied no, that it only messed him up further and they had been using the CS 
instead.  He replied, Rubbish, that stuff doesn't work - to which they replied 
that they had been using nothing else and his condition was improving.

Never ask a doctor what he thinks about colloidal silver. You'll get a 
discouraging answer.  Always ask him what he knows about colloidal silver to 
which if he is honest, he has to reply, "nothing really" to which you reply, 
well I guess I'm talking to the wrong person.

Hope this is helpful


From: Dee 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?


  This is just some of the same old rubbish that has been put out about CS 
since the year dot.  All you can do is just explain the difference in the 'old' 
type of silver to the one we use now, and just hope that it is accepted.  If 
not, then they will just have to believe what they will.  I face this all the 
time and I'm just fed up with it now.  My friend would rather choose to be ill 
for four weeks on end on anti-biotics than take a proper amount of CS to cure 
her ailments.  I have given up.  Dee 

  ---Original Message---

  From: cyndiann9
  Date: 14/07/2008 21:28:57
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>How do I defend CS against this website?

  I mentioned on a hep c group that I take CS and they posted this link:
  http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/#c

  I know most of it isn't true. How can I show them?

  Cyndi

 

 

Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour

[ian_ontario]

Well, the clearing and testing was done within 10 minutes of the microwaving 
so I don't know what time frame you are talking about and I wasn't using 
muscle testing but using dowsing rods to determine the effect one way or the 
other.  I'm sure I could repeat the process.  I have also cleared 
plasticizer from plastic bottles that have estrogen type effects.


Ian


- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour


An MD named Y. Omura wrote about microwaves some years ago.  One detail
I recall is that his patented bi-digital o-ring test showed a
remarkable detrimental effect of micro-waved food, but also that the
detrimental (muscle weakening) effect diminished over time.

If one trusts Omura's work, as I do, one might conclude that the
"clearing" effect might simply be due, at least in part, to the passage
of time.

All Omura's work is published in his journal of Acupuncture and
Electrotherapeutics.   Some Googling will turn up his astoundingly long
abstracts -- often as long as some published articles, and all
priceless.





On Sunday, Jun 29, 2008, at 01:28 Asia/Tokyo, 
wrote:

Has anyone tried using their hands intentionally to do a pulsed 
electromagnetic clearing of food heated in a microwave? Food thus



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Re: CS>C Difficile

[ian_ontario]

REPOSTED
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: CS>C Difficile



Hello:

Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients 
that have C Difficile?


Enemas etc. for instance.

If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to 
ianro...@rogers.com


Sincerely Yours,

Ian Roe

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Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour

[ian_ontario]

Research has shown that the human body is capable of receiving and utilizing 
natural pulsed electromagnetic fields from the earth's surface. It varies in 
frequency but is generally about 11 Hz.  Anything that can receive can usually 
transmit (transceiver). Has anyone tried using their hands intentionally to do 
a pulsed electromagnetic clearing of food heated in a microwave? Food thus 
treated may be fine for consumption. Case in point.  I heated a serving of 
Lasagna in its plastic container for 90 seconds just now.  Actually it was its 
second heating, once the other day too - couldn't eat the whole thing. I found 
that 3 x 15 second passes of the fingertips of both hands over lasagna cleared 
it from the harmful effects of microwaving.  Dowsing before and after showed 
that harmful effects were there prior to the clearing and were absent 
afterwards. I should have thought of doing this yesterday when I ate the first 
half, I know. This is annectdotal but so is a lot of other stuff on this 
subject.

Clearing of a persons body post operatively within 12 minutes of suture line 
closure can speed the removal of anaesthetic and reduce hospital stay and home 
recovery by 1/2 the time - so the effects are real.

The childs science experiment could be repeated with microwaved water that has 
been post treated in the same way. There is other ample evidence that water 
treated with intention changes it's molecular structure, so why not food.  
"Molecular structure" is the buzz phrase that is being used in connection with 
microwaved food.

For those of you who want to try this- remember, applied intention with limited 
expectation can produce limited results - so not knowing the limits to what is 
possible could be one of the requirements.

So in my mind and perhaps others as well, what seems to be a 'problem' with 
microwaved foods is a 'problem' that has a simple and easy remedy.

And to add to what Ode said - if I worry about it, my life could be shorter 
anyway.

Ian
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:16 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour


Oh dear, after reading this, I think *my* microwave will be heading for 
the rubbish bin!  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: treblcl...@aol.com
Date: 25/06/2008 16:11:30
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour

.
For those of you still using microwaves because you're pressed for time 
and you think short periods of time won't hurt your food, please read this 
article and re-consider.  See why exposure to the energy-field itself was 
sufficient to cause such adverse side effects that the use of any such 
microwave apparatus was forbidden in 1976 by Soviet state law.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lmicrowaveovens.htm
   
  
   

CS>C Difficile

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients 
that have C Difficile?


Enemas etc. for instance.

If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to 
ianro...@rogers.com


Sincerely Yours,

Ian Roe 



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Re: CS>MMS and CS

[ian_ontario]

I just got my product yesterday.  I took 6 drops twice an hour apart somewhere 
in the middle of the day.  I got really tired in the afternoon.  I slept for 
three hours and then went in and worked a 12 hour night shift on my feet.  At 
break time, I was really tired, I slept for an hour and perspired a lot.  My 
temperature was normal.  I felt no nausea and there were no cramps or diarrhea. 
 I will probably stick to 6 drops twice a day for 2-3 days and then ramp it up 
to 8 or ten.  I'm battling an abcessed tooth so am brushing with solution a 
couple of times a day as well.  I think it's beginning to hurt less when I chew 
in only one day.  Will be shouting outloud if the gum firms up in 2-3 weeks - 
better than $2000 worth of dental work I think.  By the way, I don't have 
malaria, aids or Hepatitis so I don't think I would need the 30 drop dose 
anyway.  Let those who need it have it that strong, I'll pass.

The following is a quote from a support email that I have:

<> Quoting David 
Dartez at Global Light Network  www.glnus.com 

Ian Roe
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol Ann 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:04 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>MMS and CS


  Geez, 30 drops 2x a day?  I took 15 once and felt so nauseous. 

  ransley  wrote:
Chuck wrote:
>Well,
Today (day 3) I felt something!

Three bouts of the runs and a vomiting session.

HooHaa, my first herxhimer reaction ever!

Suggest following the ramp-up protocol on this.<


I was about to say yesterday when you told about taking 30 drops twice, that
you really do like to jump in with both feet and splash around! If I had
done that, well I just can't imagine how much it would have hurt,
considering what it's been doing to me.

Daddybob

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CS>MMS

[ian_ontario]

Hello:



There is a free ebook for downloading at the following site.  It contains the 
most significant new information to me that I have seen in a long time for 
riding the body of micro organisms.  IT talks about Sodium Chlorite solution 
being activated with vinegar or lime juice over a three minute period, mixing 
it with water - and good stuff happens. I looked through the internet and the 
concept is not new.  The process has been integrated into other products out 
there.

 

www.miraclemineral.org

 

 

Ian Roe

CS>Homeopathic CS

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

There is some question about whether one benefits from the actual silver in 
colloidal silver or the field effect of the silver in the water.  I've been 
able to introduce the field effect of colloidal silver into ordinary tap water 
and the result has been colloidal silver of magnificant quality without any 
actual silver being present other than perhaps the incidental amount normally 
in tap water.  It even has a metalic after taste to it. And the process has 
been done repeatedly over the phone and the internet (Skype) utilizing a device 
called the Eagle Guardian (http://www.eagleresearchllc.com/) and the microphone 
and receiving ear piece at both ends.  One person who drank it thought it was 
ordinary water afterwards and he had a herx reaction after drinking a whole 
glass.  Another when they received the CS and used it for a month or two, came 
back and said it was the best CS she had ever used and wanted more. A lady in 
Atlanta yesterday had a rip roaring vaginal yeast infection and when she 
douched with it the itching immedicatly subsided. 

Even without using the Eagle Guardian, experienced or adventuresome people can 
reproduce the field of CS into water and achieve like results. Which means, 
possession of an actual silver generator and electrical current may not 
necessarily be required to make effective colloidal silver, only your hands or 
a phone line and and existing sample of good CS (either homeopathic in type or 
originally generated type).  And the argument of particle size, ionized, non 
ionized, colour, no colour, protein, no protein never needs to be an issue with 
this type of product.

I know it's a little difficult to get some excitement about this from long 
standing users of the traditionally generated CS but think about it and the 
advantages this type of generation could have.  This lady in Atlanta had used 
CS before but didn't have any in the house and couldn't get out to get any. I 
am still working at the developmental stage of this but early results are very 
encouraging.  It took a long time to get people to do actual research with 
traditional CS and I expect it would take longer to get someone to do expensive 
tests on treated tap water. Stability, longetivity - I don't know but intially 
it's been good for at least 3 months and counting.

The process occurs in basically three stages:
1) the other person's permission and involvement, either through purchase, 
acknowledgement or actual participation as  in over the phone
2) clearing existing, contaminating, field effects from the container of tap 
water
3) introducing the desired field effect into the water that has been cleared, 
utilizing an existing sample and a mode of introducing the field into the water

Yes, it's possible to introduce the field effect of other substances into the 
water as well.  Been there, done that too.

Has anyone else begun to research this at all? It would be good to hear from 
you.

Regards,

Ian Roe

Re: CS>Primary biliary cirrhosis

[Ian_Ontario]

Well, It's my understanding that CMO taken orally is effective  in
retraining the immune system not to attack the body i.e autoimmune
disorders.

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: CS>Primary biliary cirrhosis


> A friend writes to me:
> > I have been placed by the Mayo Clinic on the national waiting list for
> > a liver transplant. For many years I have had a condition called
> > primary biliary cirrhosis.
>
> > It is considered an auto immune disease which destroys the bile ducts.
> > While I have been on medication (a bile salt called Urso) since 1991
> > the symptoms were slowed but eventually the liver is damaged enough to
> > fail and require transplant.  That is the stage at which I am now.
> > One of the major side effects (besides liver failure) is fatigue, plus
> > jaundice and just an overall inability to do much, even think clearly
> > some days.
>
> Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions on effective
> therapies for this condition?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
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Re: CS>Potassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of articles

[Ian_Ontario]

  Generic Name Kayexalate
  Indications Hyperkalemia.
  Dose 0.5-1 gm/kg/dose, made into a slurry with sorbitol, given as
retention enema at body temperature q 6 hours. Can also be given PO if
infant is tolerating feedings. Suspensions of this drug should be freshly
made and not stored beyond 24 hours.
  Other measures that should also be considered: remove K from IV, IV
sodium bicarb, IV glucose & insulin, IV calcium gluconate, hyperventilation,
exchange transfusion with freshly washed PRBC & FFP, hemodialysis,
peritoneal dialysis.

  Route PO, PR
  Action Kayexalate is a finely ground, powdered form of sodium
polystyrene sulfonate, a cation-exchange resin prepared in the sodium phase,
with an in-vivo exchange capacity of approximately 1 meq of potassium per
gram of resin.
  Toxicity Since effective lowering of serum potassium may take hours to
days, treatment with this drug alone may be insufficient to rapidly correct
severe hyperkalemia associated with states of rapid tissue breakdown or
hyperkalemia so marked as to constitute a medical emergency. Therefore,
other definitive measures such as dialysis should always be considered.
  Serious potassium deficiency can occur from Kayexalate therapy. Close
monitoring of serum electrolytes is imperative. Electrocardiographically,
hypokalemia is often associated with lengthened Q-T interval, widening &
flattening and/or inversion of T-waves, and prominent U-waves. Also, cardiac
arrhythmias may occur, such as premature atrial, nodal, and ventricular
contractions, and supraventricular and ventricular tachycardias. The toxic
effects of digoxin are likely to be exaggerated.

  Like all cation exchange resins, Kayexalate is not totally selective
for potassium in its actions, and small amounts of other cations such as
magnesium and calcium may be lost during treatment.

  Kayexalate contains approximately 100 mg (4.1 meq) of sodium per gram
of resin. In patients who cannot tolerate even a small increase in sodium
load (i.e. severe congestive heart failure, hypertension, or marked edema)
compensatory restriction of sodium intake from other sources may be
indicated.

  References NICU Drug Handbook, p. 165, 1991.
  Gomella, Neonatology, p. 480, 1992.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Potassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
articles


> Ian,
>
> Is polystyrene related to styrofoam,  the packing material?I am
> surprised to read of polystyrene having a therapeutic use.
>
>
> JBB
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, Mar 9, 2004, at 08:46 Asia/Tokyo, Ian_Ontario wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike:
> >
> > Potassium is integral in the function of cells, especially muscular
> > contraction, [which includes the heart] and the range for normal
> > levels is
> > much narrower than for sodium or chloride.  For K+ it's 3.5 to 5.5
> > mmol / L.
> > Normally functioning kidnies maintain these levels by excreting or
> > retaining
> > it.  Persons with metabolic disorders, diabetis, dehydration, diarrhea,
> > vomitting, acidosis, alkalosis, renal disease and persons who take RX
> > drugs
> > can experience levels outside the normal range. Blood levels also rise
> > if
> > there has been a lot of tissue destruction where the cell walls break
> > down.
> > K+ us usually, for the most part kept inside of cells and Na is kept
> > outside.  When cell walls break down the K+ gets out.  I know that in
> > the
> > hospital, as soon as someone is at 3.3 or less, they prescribe oral or
> > IV
> > potassium especially if they are on potassium wasting diruetics like
> > furosemide.  Anything above 6 to 6.3 and they start giving polystyrene
> > orally or rectally to bind potassium and take it out of the body.  So
> > as
> > soon as you get 2 to 6 points outside the range, it can become a
> > serious
> > concern.
> >
> > Electrolytes are routinely tested as part of any blood work drawn on
> > any
> > visit to the ER or family practitioner if the patient complains of any
> > malady.  It's like looking both ways before you walk across the street.
> >
> > Hope this helps a little.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "M. G. Devour" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Potassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
> > articles
> >
> >
> >> Garnet writes:
> >>> I reread this section and he does in fact state that his electrolytes
> >>> were never checked "to check for a potassium deficiency". This to me
> >>> m

Re: CS>

[Ian_Ontario]

See
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wtc.survivor.hoaxhtml
  - Original Message - 
  From: David S Osborne 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:40 AM
  Subject: CS>


  I know nothing about this, but.






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  now he can't even start his computer! 

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  receive this 25 times than not at all. So, if you receive an email 
  called "WTC Survivor", do not open it. Delete it right away! This 
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  computer. 




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Re: CS>Potassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of articles

[Ian_Ontario]

Hi Mike:

Potassium is integral in the function of cells, especially muscular
contraction, [which includes the heart] and the range for normal levels is
much narrower than for sodium or chloride.  For K+ it's 3.5 to 5.5 mmol / L.
Normally functioning kidnies maintain these levels by excreting or retaining
it.  Persons with metabolic disorders, diabetis, dehydration, diarrhea,
vomitting, acidosis, alkalosis, renal disease and persons who take RX drugs
can experience levels outside the normal range. Blood levels also rise if
there has been a lot of tissue destruction where the cell walls break down.
K+ us usually, for the most part kept inside of cells and Na is kept
outside.  When cell walls break down the K+ gets out.  I know that in the
hospital, as soon as someone is at 3.3 or less, they prescribe oral or IV
potassium especially if they are on potassium wasting diruetics like
furosemide.  Anything above 6 to 6.3 and they start giving polystyrene
orally or rectally to bind potassium and take it out of the body.  So as
soon as you get 2 to 6 points outside the range, it can become a serious
concern.

Electrolytes are routinely tested as part of any blood work drawn on any
visit to the ER or family practitioner if the patient complains of any
malady.  It's like looking both ways before you walk across the street.

Hope this helps a little.



- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Potassium - Debunking this very irresponsible series of
articles


> Garnet writes:
> > I reread this section and he does in fact state that his electrolytes
> > were never checked "to check for a potassium deficiency". This to me
> > means they were indeed checked and he perceived that the doctors were
> > not looking to see if the potassium levels were low. This is too absurd
> > to entertain as it is one of the MOST basic parameters in a blood panel
> > besides the cell counts, it is a known indicator of poor cardiac
> > function and any doctor, even the worst is going to look at the easy
> > indicators. And asking the author would not reveal the intentions of his
> > physicians. That is something only the physician would know.
>
> Do I remember right that part of his thesis is that the levels of
> potassium that medicine and science accept as the standard for
> "normalcy" are in fact much lower than they would be if people were
> getting the appropriate amount in their diets?
>
> If you know this, ma'am, could you tell me what would happen if a
> person consumed considerably more potassium and less sodium than the
> average person? Would their blood electrolyte levels change
> significantly? Or does the body control these levels tightly?
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
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Re: CS>Fine Silver Wire - Source

[Ian_Ontario]

Hi:

That was point two one seven. The period got lost somewhere, but I did put
it in.

Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Fine Silver Wire - Source


> You figures don't make sense.  127 KG, is almost 300 pounds.  So you know
what
> guage the wire would be, I seem to have mixplaced my conversion table.
>
> Marshall
>
> Ian_Ontario wrote:
>
> > Would anyone on the list in Canada know where to get 1.6000 mm fine four
> > nine silver wire at a reasonable price.  I would be interested in
knowing.
> > I just paid $295 before taxes for 30 feet of this wire - a total weight
of
> > 217kg  .  Near as I can figure, that is $38 Canadian an ounce and that
> > seems a little steep.  I haven't shopped around so it's possible that
even
> > this price is low.  Canadian bullion price for silver today is $8.69 oz,
so
> > it's a $30 premium per ounce for the wire form vs a silver bar.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ian
> >
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Re: CS>Fine Silver Wire - Source

[Ian_Ontario]

This is good Hank and I'll keep it for reference, but I am looking for a 
Canadian supplier for shipping within Canada.

Thankyou.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Hank 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Fine Silver Wire - Source


  Check out CCSilver, Home page is http://www.ccsilver.com/home.html the  
#12 wire is $4.95 per ft. on page  
http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/superfines.html#four
  This is where I bought mine, There is a $5.00 small order charge for I think 
under $25.00 order.
  Sincerely Yours,
  Hank

CS>Fine Silver Wire - Source

[Ian_Ontario]

Would anyone on the list in Canada know where to get 1.6000 mm fine four
nine silver wire at a reasonable price.  I would be interested in knowing.
I just paid $295 before taxes for 30 feet of this wire - a total weight of
217kg  .  Near as I can figure, that is $38 Canadian an ounce and that
seems a little steep.  I haven't shopped around so it's possible that even
this price is low.  Canadian bullion price for silver today is $8.69 oz, so
it's a $30 premium per ounce for the wire form vs a silver bar.

Thanks

Ian


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Re: CS>Bladder infection

[ian_ontario]

D-Mannose searches come up page not found in most instances on any search 
engine that links it with the treatment of urinary infections.  They must be 
under some kind of scrutiny accross the board for so many pages to be pulled.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Sutton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:46 AM
  Subject: CS>Bladder infection


  My direct mail gets rejected, so have to answer to the list.   Mike; do a 
google search for d-mannose. 10 to 50 times stronger than Cranberry.  Here is 
the way it is supposed to work:
  Much in the same way cranberry works, ClearTract(brand of d-mannose) 
interferes with the ability for bacteria to cling to the urinary tract lining, 
this is sometimes called the "anti-adherence effect" ClearTract is the most 
potent "anti-adherence" compound for the urinary tract known and accomplishes 
more than cranberry has ever been able to achieve. use 
http://www.froogle.google.com to search for a good price.

Re: CS>Liver/oparasite cleanse: MikeD

[ian_ontario]

Hi Mike:

Can you tell me how you have replaced the ozonated water part of the
protocall with H2O2?  I've got two gallons of 35% here at home and am
getting ready to purchase the SOTA instruments for the protocol.  H2O2 is a
lot cheaper than the ozonator machine.

Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Liver/oparasite cleanse: MikeD


> > >  I recall that the liver cleanse works better if you've done a
> > >  cleanse in advance. I'm planning to use portions of


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Re: CS>Cytomegalovirus & CS

[ian_ontario]

Is there a discussion group for those using the beck protocol anywhere?

Ian
  - Original Message - 
  From: carpae.d...@cox.net 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Cc: carpae.d...@cox.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:56 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Cytomegalovirus & CS


  http://www.toolsforhealing.com/Health/Beck/Beck_Protocol.htm


  C.SS. is just one part of this above protocol which can cure AIDS ... Try a 
quart of C.S. a day, and take a look at these c.s. makers, they work better...
  Same PPM, but the particles are so small, the solution will always be 
clear... (more surface area=kills more pathogens)

  http://www.silvergen.com/sg7pro.htm



  Best Wishes,
  Alexander J. Federowicz
-Original Message-
From: Al Riley [mailto:a...@domsys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Cytomegalovirus & CS


My wife has recently been diagnosed with Graves Disease.  In the process of 
trying  to blunt the many nasty effects of the disease, I bumped into a TCM 
doctor who said that my wife's Cytomegalovirus Counts were high.  We have both 
been taking 2 ounces of LVDC CS a day for almost 3 years now.  Does CS not 
touch this little Varmint??  Are there other options for attacking the 
Cytomegalovirus??
Thanks
Al Riley

Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice

[ian_ontario]

Yes, I suppose it's easier but it is more expensive and you get the fillers
and lubricants like you get with any tablet.  The pure crystals do not give
you this.  We use the tablets too because my son won't take the powder.  I
might point out that I get an energy boost from the crystals, usually within
15 minutes - I do not get this from the tablets.  I've tried different
brands.



- Original Message - 
From: "Jim" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice


> I bought MSM tabs at a health food store, this sounds like an easier way
> to take MSM, correct me if i'm wrong.
>
> Jim
>
> ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > Lots of info on the internet.   Try 1/2 teaspoon per 100 lbs of body
weight,
> > twice a day.  Put it on your tongue and gulp the powder down with a full
> > glass of water.  If you get a healing reaction, like diarrhea, drink
plenty
> > of water and cut back on the dose.
> >
> > See. www.bulkmsm.com
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Ruth Bertella" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice
> >
> >
> >
> >>I've heard it mentioned in here that you can get MSM at feed stores, but
> >>nothing about it's application.   Do you only use MSM topically, and for
> >>what reasons?   How do you use it to make hair and nails grow faster?
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>Ruth
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "hughman1" 
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:16 PM
> >>Subject: Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Msm will make hair and nails grow fast. My barber is always amazed that
> >>
> > my
> >
> >>>hair grows fast and that I'm back for another haircut.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

Lots of info on the internet.   Try 1/2 teaspoon per 100 lbs of body weight,
twice a day.  Put it on your tongue and gulp the powder down with a full
glass of water.  If you get a healing reaction, like diarrhea, drink plenty
of water and cut back on the dose.

See. www.bulkmsm.com

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: "Ruth Bertella" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice


> I've heard it mentioned in here that you can get MSM at feed stores, but
> nothing about it's application.   Do you only use MSM topically, and for
> what reasons?   How do you use it to make hair and nails grow faster?
>
> Thanks!
> Ruth
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "hughman1" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: New to CS - Need Opinions/Advice
>
>
> > Msm will make hair and nails grow fast. My barber is always amazed that
my
> > hair grows fast and that I'm back for another haircut.
> >
> >
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Re: CS>MSM-CS

[ian_ontario]

Yes.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Lou Borgert" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: CS>MSM-CS


> on 6/3/03 5:38 AM, ian_onta...@hotmail.com at ian_onta...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Thanks for the reply but is 250ml 8oz.


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Re: CS>MSM-CS

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

Well, I've tried it with some of the most sensitive people I know of and
there has been no burning to date.

Ian

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From: "Jay Ice" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>MSM-CS


> Does msm have a "sting/burning" sensation like DMSO?
> Ice
>


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Re: CS>MSM-CS

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

I've upped it to five level teaspoons per 250 ml of reverse osmosis water.

Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Lou Borgert" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS>MSM-CS


> on 6/1/03 7:08 PM, ian_onta...@hotmail.com at ian_onta...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> I am going to try your formula, how many teaspoons is 250ml?  Does she
just
> spray it on?
> thanks
> Mary


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CS>MSM-CS

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

I have just made the wonderful, wonderful discovery that when I put four
teaspoons of pure MSM powder into 250 ml of pure water in a spray bottle -
it makes the most delightful skin softner my wife has ever used.  I've taken
samples of it to work and nurses and business people have all tried it and
there have been no negative comments and virtually all have praised it.
They can't believe how smooth it makes the skin.  When I told some of them I
got the MSM from a horse feed supply store and that I mixed it with water, I
got the distinct impression that they would rather not have know that.

Have any on the list found other benefits to this other than soft smooth
skin?

At any rate.  I could put the four teaspoons into 250 ml of Colloidal Silver
and hope for double benefit.  I couldn't possibly have been the first person
to discover this or think of it.The MSM mix would be about 80mg per
teaspoon or 16mg per ml. and the CS is 20 to 40ppm, 107 volt DC, clear
colorless one - sometimes with a definite strong tyndall but sometimes weak.
Is there any reason why I could not mix CS with this amount of MSM and
expect it to stay stable in color and benefit, say for perhaps a year?
(Wishful thinking here)



Ian


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Re: CS>I am the cyrillic culprit( sp?)....

[ian_ontario]

Go to http://www.lavasoftusa.com/  They have freeware that you can use to 
identify and remove spyware from your computer on a regular basis.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Ice 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:32 PM
  Subject: CS>I am the cyrillic culprit( sp?)


  My msn e-mail address uses cyrillic(ISO) default encoding. What ever the heck 
that means? I'm getting really mad about this computer crap. All I wanna do is 
send and recieve e-mails. Geez why does it have to be so damn complicated. I 
have memory leaks and probably spyware. What ever that is? I'm going to run my 
re-stabilized bank account into the ground again tryinmg to fix this. Any ideas 
how to find a legitamate website that will really tell me whats wrong. With out 
trying to take me down to my last cent? I really don't want to pay some 
computer guy to look at it and just delete a file and charge me $250.00 if this 
is a problem I can solve. Thanks guys and sorry about this dilema.
  Jay

Re: CS>dietary supplements....

[ian_ontario]

However, this email did trigger the event.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jay Ice" 
To: "silver-list" 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: CS>dietary supplements


> Is there a list of vitamins I look on for there target supplements or is
it
> every vitamin available. How do I find out the e-mail address to my
senator?
> Jay
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Re: CS>Re: Cryllic Language Pack

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

No there is no request here to install the Pack.  Sounds like this is
something in someones emails that has infected the list through forwarding.
Doesn't look like there is any way to trace it back.

Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: CS>Re: Cryllic Language Pack


> Hi Ian,
>
>
>   You said:
>
> << There were no attachements to
> the emails and antirus software turns up nothing. I am at loss to explain
> this.  Any ideas. >>
>
>
>   If this happened to you on the post I forwarded, it is the forwarded
post,
> not my email.
> I use plain text Times New Roman font.
>
>   Does this one ask you to install  that character set?
>
>   Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
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CS>Cryllic Language Pack

[ian_ontario]

Can any one tell me why I am being asked to install a Cryllic Language pack 
from some email senders on the list? Am I the only one getting these kind of 
messages on my computer. I run W2000 and Use Office2000 Outlook.

Ian
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Ice 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 12:36 AM
  Subject: CS>OT Repelling mosquito's effectively...


  Another tip to to keep those bugs out of the house is to get a nice size 
flower pot and plant lemon grass or if you prefer a more decorative appeal 
plant lavender. And place this plant near every door/window in your house.
  Jay

Re: CS>mold headaches garlic

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

You can obtain ozone machines on E-Bay, - do a search for Living Air, Alpine
Air, Ecoquest International and all of those machines work well at killing
pathogens in the air and on surfaces as well as destroying chemicals and
eliminating odors and animal dander etc.  Different size units do different
areas.  I just won a couple of bids for units, got one in the house and was
amazed at the results.  Initially I had borrowed one for two weeks during my
first quarantine from exposure to SARS here in Toronto.  If I was going to
get sick, I didn't want my family to get sick as well.

Ian
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>mold headaches garlic


> I had an extremely bad mold situation in my car a few years ago and
> brought it to a auto body shop to replace the carpeting, they put an
> ozone producing machine in the car overnight and it completely killed
> the mold.
>
> A few years later I had a home in NC with a heat register directly in
> front of the kitchen sink, apparently over the years water and whatever
> else fell into this register and became very moldy, the odor was
> extremely bad.  I bought an ozone machine and put it over the register
> overnight and it completely killed the odor.
>
> These machines are expensive but great to have in humid areas of the
> south.  I've seen them for sale in drug stores, but they may be
> available in rental stores for overnight use.
>
> These machines should be in every home where allergies are a problem.
>
> Jim
>
> Mary Lou Borgert wrote:
> > on 5/13/03 1:48 AM, Mike Monett at ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m58884.html
> >>>Re: CS>mold headaches garlic
> >>>From: Mike Monett
> >>>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:06:41
> >>
> >>How does one check the humidity in the house?
> >
> > Yes, I feel better outside.
> >
> >>Mary, I'd make a lousy doctor. I forgot two of the  most fundamental
> >>questions:
> >>
> >>1. What is the humidity in your house?
> >>
> >>2. Do your symptoms improve when you leave the house for a while?
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>Mike Monett
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Re: CS>SARS Canada

[ian_ontario]

I think this is where Toronto got into trouble with WHO in that they are
reporting all deaths of  suspected and probable together as being SARS
deaths.  There is a difference between SARS DEATHS and SARS RELATED DEATHS.
This led to an inaccurate  mortality rate of close to 10%.  This report led
WHO to post the travel warning.  10% is fairly high but I believe the method
of calculation to be wrong! So now they are doing a rethink, after the fact.

Too bad.  Elton John and Billy Joel cancelled their show today at the Air
Canada Center.  They are culturally rich and we would have benefitted from
haveing them here.

Ian
- Original Message -
From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: CS>SARS Canada


> Dear Ian,
>


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[ian_ontario]

Well, I can tell you that from current precautions being taken, anything
that would aresolize in a SARS patient's room is being stopped.  i.e. no
hand washing inside the room.  Holding to the theory that the virus is the
cause, they are saying that it stays live on surfaces for 24 hours. Anything
that aresolizes could conceivably contaminate every surface in a patient's
room and increase the possibility of transmission to care givers.  Even the
other day orders came through on patients' charts not to do chest
percussions or 'cupping'  for chest physio.  SARS makes for a dry cough but
other types of pneumonia are not dry and require chest physio. Even now, we
are double gowning, double gloving, double masking, full face shields,
microsan hand wash between phases of removal of layer inside and outside the
door.  Patients are all in negative pressure rooms.

Ian

- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread.
> Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS?
> paula


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Re: CS>SARS Canada

[ian_ontario]

Hi: C Creel:

This puts the probable cases at far less than Canada which is comforting for
USA residents.  Can you post the web site that gives current figures for the
USA?

In the media, probable and suspect cases are being linked together.  SARS
and SARS related deaths are linked together.  In several instances, it is
likely that the deaths would have occured anyway but because the patient has
been exposed to SARS, it gets guilt by association.  Those that are
reporting no deaths from SARS, are they subtracting the deaths from other
causes and not linking the deaths to SARS?

Thanks.


- Original Message -
From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: CS>SARS Canada


> Dear Laura,
>
>
>   You said:
>
> << Thank you very much for this information.  I don't know why the
coverage
> of
> US cases is so inadequate.  I would very much like to know more about
where
> SARS is hitting here.>>
>
>
>Ask and you shall receive :-)
>
>
>( Total cases   Suspect Cases Probable Cases)
>
> Alabama   1  1   0
> Arizona 1  1   0
> Arkansas  1   1   0
> California  49 35   14
> Colorado   97 2
> Connecticut 5  4  1
> Florida   1514 1
etc


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CS>SARS Canada

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

According to a scientist yesterday in Winnipeg, where the Canadian
equivalent to the CDC is, in 40% of SARS patients, he can find no virus.  He
stated that he is not sure that the corona virus acutally causes the
disease.  Apparently they are still researching this and the book has not
been written yet.

There are web sites out there declaring that SARS is a scam.  All I can say
is that the fright that is being created and the news stories and laws being
enacted may be a scam.  BUT the disease itself is very real and very nasty.
Although there have only been 15 deaths in Canada so far, there are people
in intensive care wards that are hanging on by a thread, people whos' liver
and kidnies have shut down and are on ventilators.  Nurses who have gone
home, adhered to all the protocols of  isolation given to them at the time,
have given it to their loved ones and extended families.  Although they were
young enough to recover, some of their families are the ones hanging on by a
thread.

A lot can be said about getting these people onto natural remedies but
current legislation is preventing visitors from adequately visiting their
loved ones to administer any kind of alternative therapy.  Right now, one
person is being allowed in once a day to see an immediate relative only who
is in critical care.  At our hospital, a security guard walks the visitor up
to the patient's room and when they finished visiting, they are escorted by
guard back to the entrance of the hospital. The security guards don't have
guns here in Canada but you can be sure that will not be the case in every
jurisdiction. Anyone not considered critical or dying is being denied
visitors of any kind.  So for those folks who are saying " get them on this
and get them on that" , it is not always possible and it's unfair to say
they should when they can not.  It only makes the families feel guilty and
worsens the situtation.  They would do better to get together in groups and
pray for their loved ones.  People can relate their aetheism but when a
loved one is on death's door, many people turn to prayer or to the power and
authority of the intended spoken word if one wishes to call it that and
favourable results are often obtained.

Every day, there are new isolation regulations for nurses to adhere to as
they say they find out new things about its spread. Yesterday we used one
method, today we are using a new method and tomorrow it may be different
again.  We are left to wonder about the four weeks when we didn't use the
method we are going to use tomorrow - if you catch the drift of it.

Interestingly enough, there are more SARS cases in the USA than in Canada
and there have been for several days.  Why are we not seeing this in the
news?  Why are we not hearing what US cities have these patients like we
hear every day in Canada?  Why is Canada being targeted?  Why is Toronto
being targeted?  It is to further cripple airline, bus and train companies,
to further restrict the freedom to travel and to further restrict other
rights and freedoms?  Is it a long range plan to introduce yet another
contaminated vaccine for mass innoculation? These are questions that beg to
be answered.  See.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/pphb-dgspsp/sars-sras/eu-ae/sars20030418_e.html#inter
national  Here you will find current international figures for SARS cases.
As of today Singapore has more cases and more deaths than Canada.  Why
aren't we hearing about this on our news when it is there on our government
web site infront of God and everyone?

Just blowing off some steam here.  I just spent 13 hours caring for a SARS
patient in intensive care.  Incidently, 45 of my  collegues got hit with it,
16 of whom I worked with directly during the period of getting it. When the
SARS didn't kill them, the drugs nearly did.  Just about all who were
hospitalized came home severely depressed, anemic, weak and short of breath.
I didn't get it  -  but, I'm tired, worn out and even when I get rest from a
few days off, it only takes a day or two at work to get tired out again.

Hope this is informative and lends some credibility to the illness.

Ian



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Re: CS>DOUBLE POSTING!

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

Are you using Outlook Express - If so, wait until all your messages are
downloaded before opening the in box.  That may solve your dilemma. I find
if I open the inbox while messages are still arriving, they start doubling
up.

Ian
- Original Message -
From: "Albert Peirce" 
To: 
Cc: ; ; ;
; 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>DOUBLE POSTING!


> I'm not sure of the reason, but the majority of my posts received are
> doubled! I had to delete a second duplicate address in the "TO" field of
> this post. What's going on! Regards, Al...
> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Cc: ; ; ;
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> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:33 AM
> Subject: CS>[List Owner] NO WAR TALK on the Silver List...
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Re: CS>question for Ian

[ian_ontario]

I got cancelled from the list for a day and just resubscribed - sorry if I
missed messages

I make my own CS, now with unit I purchased from Terry Chamberlain on the
list.  I used to use CSPro Ultra. But now use Terry's unit.  It makes more
CS faster and it's equivalent in quality and stability.  It's clear, only
has a slight taste and it works.

Ian
- Original Message -
From: "Kathy Osborn" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:41 AM
Subject: CS>question for Ian


> Hello Ian and all,
> Sorry to read about your troubles.
> I was wondering what kind of CS you are using. Is it homemade? If not,
> what is the brand name.
> Thank you.
> Kathy
>
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Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?

[ian_ontario]

I am in a quarantine at home.  They allow me to work - travel there and go back 
home.  Have to wear a mask at home and eat and sleep in a separate room.  My 
fever never went higher than 37.8 and that wasn't high enough to be diagnostic 
of SARS, in the absence of other symptoms, so I continue to work.  My son's 
thing looks more like strep - his fever never went above 37.8 but he did get a 
sore throat.  Many of my immediate colleques have not been so fortunate.  Some 
of them are quite sick and many of them are now inpatients at other hospitals.

The department of health calls my home daily to make sure I am either at home 
or at work.  We've been told that if voluntary quarantine is not complied with 
then there will be further measures taken.  I don't even want to find out what 
that means so I'm being the obedient sheep and have settled in to watch Star 
Trek videos.

Ian
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Nave 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?


  Dear Ian,

  On Wednesday you said you were in quarantine with a fever.  Now you say you 
have been working overtime since last Thursday and are symptom free...

Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?

[ian_ontario]

Well I wasn't talking about about a little pneumonia.  I was referring to
one with infiltrates, decreased gas exchange etc.  Even with CS , it takes a
little while for the body to repair the situation.  My personal experience,
is that CS is not a cure all - it usually helps, doesn't harm and some do
report some very amazing things and recoveries from all sorts of ailments.
BUT the CS has to get in contact with the microbes - that's the key.

Ian
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > Contrary to to what you are saying, I have never seen CS stop a
respiratory
> > pneumona "fast", even with correctly produced ECS, even lots of it.
>
> That is odd, I have never seen it not work, with some relief within
minutes, and
> virtually total recovery within hours.
>


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Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

Can you contact me off list at ian...@rogers.com and we can exchange contact
information.  I'm  currently symptom free.  Many of our nurses are now sick
and in other hospitals - sh I have been working a lot of over
time to meet the demands of the unit, 12 hours shifts since last thursday
etc.

Thanks,

Ian


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From: "Albert Peirce" 
To: 
Cc: "Albert Peirce" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?


> Ian, can you get me the diagrams and parts list, and let me see if I can
> cobble a couple of units together? I get up to Windsor fairly frequently
> (today, as a matter of fact) and may be able to help. Regards, Al
Peirce...


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Re: CS>SARS

[ian_ontario]

Toronto, Ontario
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynda Khula 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:55 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>SARS


  could you please tell me what part of canada you are in
  thanks
  Lynda

Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?

[ian_ontario]

Hi:

Contrary to to what you are saying, I have never seen CS stop a respiratory
pneumona "fast", even with correctly produced ECS, even lots of it. It may
help a lot and it may clear up sooner but I think that's the best that can
be hoped for.  Part of the diagnosis of SARS is high fever, lowered white
count, exposure to a known carrier and infiltrate in the lower lungs - not
the easiest place for CS to reach.

Recently I learned of the Beck Protocol. I reached Sota Instruments
yesterday and they are under a new challenge from the Canadian Government
and have temporarily suspended operations until the challenge is met.  I
wanted to obtain a  "Beck" pulsar and a blood purifer ASAP but was unable to
do so.   I don't look forward to I.V. Metronizadole, Levaquin and
Ribavirin - can you blame me?  I've got the diagrams etc and parts lists but
just need to get a TV repair person to put it together for me -
unfortuneately, after I get out of quaranteen.

Ian


- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Summers" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments - Paramyxovirosis?



>
> Whatever SARS is, correctly produced ECS will stop it fast.
>
> Regards, Steve.
>

>
> > Dear James,
> > I believe that" para-mix-o-vira-day" will get
you
> close.
> >
> > Best redgards,   Brooks.
> >
> > James-Osborn: Holmes-Junior wrote:
> >
> > > Hi C,
> > >
> > > Do you have any commentary on the potential for nebulized CS, or
CS/MSM
> or
> > > CS/DMSO to neutralized this viron?
> > >
> > > Do you know the phonetic pronunciation?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > JOH
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@eagle1st.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:37 PM
> > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > > Subject: Re: CS>[IP] SARS resources and comments
> > >
> > > Archive Number 20030318.0679
> > > Published Date 18-MAR-2003
> > > Subject PRO/EDR> Severe acute respiratory syndrome - worldwide (08)
> > >
> > > Killer virus identified
> > >
> > > SEVERE ACUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME - WORLDWIDE (08)
> > > **
> > > A ProMED-mail post
> > > 
> > > ProMED-mail is a program of the
> > > International Society for Infectious Diseases 
> > >
> > > Date: 18 Mar 2003
> > > From: "Henry L Niman, PhD" 
> > > Source: Hong Kong Standard 19 Mar 2003 02:16 AM [edited]
> > > 
> > >
> > > Killer virus identified
> > > ---
> > > A team from the Prince of Wales Hospital and Chinese University of
Hong
> Kong
> > > have identified the virus that has caused the recent outbreak of
severe
> > > acute respiratory syndrome worldwide, confirming that the current
> anti-viral
> > > treatment applied to patients has been the right choice. Identifying
the
> > > virus as a member of the Paramyxoviridae family, Professor John Tam of
> the
> > > department of microbiology of the Chinese University said it was
> detected by
> > > electron microscopy. The finding, announced late last night, was
further
> > > confirmed by a molecular technique that revealed the nucleic acid
> sequence
> > > of the virus.
> > >
> > > Asked if the virus was curable, Tam reiterated that the finding last
> night
> > > had indicated that the current treatment applied to patients suffering
> from
> > > the syndrome, more commonly known as atypical pneumonia, had been the
> right
> > > choice. But he added that they still needed to monitor individual
> patients'
> > > reactions before they could conclude that the virus was curable.
> > >
> > > Lo Wing-lok, Medical Association president and legislator, said the
> > > Paramyxoviridae family incorporated different viruses that could
affect
> > > humans and, as such, further studies were needed to establish whether
it
> was
> > > a new virus. Earlier it was revealed that at least 6 patients were
> > > responsible for spreading the pneumonia in Hong Kong. Health chief
Yeoh
> > > Eng-kiong also said that a mainland professor who died in [Hong Kong]
> SAR on
> > > 4 Mar 2003 was a victim of the atypical pneumonia.
> > >
> > > The new information from officials indicated the disease had been more
> > > widespread in the SAR than originally believed. Yeoh said the
pneumonia
> and
> > > suspected cases had now been isolated into 6 "clusters". Yeoh again
> stressed
> > > the government was not hiding anything. He insisted there was no sign
of
> an
> > > outbreak at the community level.
> > >
> > > [byline: Matthew Lee and Georgina Lee]
> > >
> > > --
> > > Henry L Niman, PhD
> > > Department of Bioengineering
> > > Shriners' Burn Center
> > > 51 Blossom Street, Room 422
> > > Boston, MA 02114 USA
> > > 
> > >
> > > [This is the second identification of a paramyovirus-like organism
from
> a
> > > patient with SA

CS>SARS

[ian_ontario]

Re: SARS

Well, I have been caught in the every widening web of SARS.  The hospital I 
work in has been closed.  For the first time ever, when I went to work, the 
doors were locked to the public. We are all wearing masks, all the patients are 
on isolation and NO visitors are allowed in to see their loved ones.  Multiple 
precaution and warning signs are placed at each entrance, each nursing station 
and each patient room. Police barricaded the entrances for a short time today 
and I'm not sure totally of the reasons. I am confined to my home by government 
regulators.  I have to wear a mask in my home, sleep in a separate room and if 
my temperature should reach 38, I must further report myself to the 
authorities. If I break the rules, I am further subject to a $3000 fine.  I'm 
sitting at 37.5 and my son at 37.8. I have already had to pull my son out of 
school.  We're ingesting lots of colloidal silver and have been anyway, but it 
did not stop us from getting the infection. We're taking AG-Immune as well.  
There isn't any DMSO up here and MSM doesn't do the same thing - so we're just 
slugging it out. Am borrowing an air purifier that ozonates the air and puts 
negative ions into the air here at home.  Haven't had any luck suggesting that 
for the hospital but can't help but feel that if they had had a system like 
this installed , the staff never would have caught it from each other. We got 
infected while investigators were figureing out what it was and how it was 
spread. Apparently air droplets go into the eyes, and the bug drains down the 
lacrimal canal into the throat and bingo you've got it.  We weren't wearing eye 
protection soon enough. They just didn't know and now the cat's out of the bag 
here and we have become the epicenter for Canada and possibly North America.  
Masks and goggles were the prevention and we weren't wearing both soon enough.  
I heard on the news on the way home that it's been declared a health emergency 
and that the quaranteen will extend to thousands of people.  I don't recall a 
quaranteen ever extended to thousands of people - that worked.  The good news 
is that the last person that died from it was 70 years old and he probably 
would have died even if he had caught ordinary flu, but who knows.  I sit and 
watch the developments now on an hourly basis.

Thought this would be of interest to the group.

Ian