Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

[Neville Munn]

Whoops, I meant to say*Poly tanks*, not fibreglass.

N.

From: Victor Cozzetto 
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2019 8:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

Well said :-)
I also mention in the videos that the natural water (rainwater, rivers, etc.) 
is low in deuterium. Catching water in rain barrels is excellent. I'm not sure 
either how long structuring holds up, and under what conditions, which is why I 
like the idea of structuring on the fly (if you cannot get it straight from 
nature).
Victor

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 1:44 PM Neville Munn 
mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Here's my take on it (water).  It's only my opinion anyway.

RainwaterIt's already 'structured' before it hits the ground etc I would 
expect.  What happens when it's stored in galvanise tanks (before fibreglass 
tanks came into being), or even IN fibreglass tanks?


N.


From: Victor Cozzetto 
mailto:victor.cozze...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2019 2:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

The product might be great; however, from all of my research, alkaline water is 
insignificant; especially in this situation.
I have some videos that discuss which types of water are hype, and which are 
actually beneficial:

Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

[Victor Cozzetto]

Well said :-)
I also mention in the videos that the natural water (rainwater, rivers,
etc.) is low in deuterium. Catching water in rain barrels is excellent. I'm
not sure either how long structuring holds up, and under what conditions,
which is why I like the idea of structuring on the fly (if you cannot get
it straight from nature).
Victor

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 1:44 PM Neville Munn  wrote:

> Here's my take on it (water).  It's only my opinion anyway.
>
> RainwaterIt's already 'structured' before it hits the ground etc I
> would expect.  What happens when it's stored in galvanise tanks (before
> fibreglass tanks came into being), or even IN fibreglass tanks?
>
> Streams/rivers/etc...That water would already be 'structured' as well
> before it hits the ocean/run off etc. (opinion)
>
> Vortex structured water...Hmm, again, rainwater/rivers/etc would already
> had been structured before we get it, naturally.
>
> Bottled water...rubbish and BS, will contain additives (regulations?).
> Here's something to think about...Raw milk causes a stink with "some"
> people/Establishment, (perhaps even illegal to sell it, from what I have
> heard?), just like water being full of additives, and similarly milk,
> milk has been butchered and processed to a point, before we get it.
>
> This is my supposition on the subject of water.
>
> N.
>
> ------
> *From:* Victor Cozzetto 
> *Sent:* Sunday, 8 December 2019 2:46 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver
>
> The product might be great; however, from all of my research, alkaline
> water is insignificant; especially in this situation.
> I have some videos that discuss which types of water are hype, and which
> are actually beneficial:
>
> Best Type of Water? <https://youtu.be/6sNGfYTCglc>
>
> DDW Water vs Cancer <https://youtu.be/L5GS16b3tYM>
>
> Structured water is great; however, again, in this situation I doubt that
> it has any impact. I imagine that structuring your CS at home would be more
> effective. Curious what others think.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Victor
> *
> Victor F. Cozzetto
> Wise Traditions Nutritionist
> U.S.: (516) 908-1039
> www.Vitagenics.net <http://www.vitagenics.net/>
> YouTube Channel <https://www.youtube.com/victorcozzetto/>
> *
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:04 AM nessie  wrote:
>
> Alkaline Structured Silver.
> Is it legit?
> Anyone know anything about this new product?
> There is info here.   https://mydoctorsuggests.com/
> Tks...gm
>
>

Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

[Neville Munn]

Here's my take on it (water).  It's only my opinion anyway.

RainwaterIt's already 'structured' before it hits the ground etc I would 
expect.  What happens when it's stored in galvanise tanks (before fibreglass 
tanks came into being), or even IN fibreglass tanks?

Streams/rivers/etc...That water would already be 'structured' as well before it 
hits the ocean/run off etc. (opinion)

Vortex structured water...Hmm, again, rainwater/rivers/etc would already had 
been structured before we get it, naturally.

Bottled water...rubbish and BS, will contain additives (regulations?).  Here's 
something to think about...Raw milk causes a stink with "some" 
people/Establishment, (perhaps even illegal to sell it, from what I have 
heard?), just like water being full of additives, and similarly milk, milk has 
been butchered and processed to a point, before we get it.

This is my supposition on the subject of water.

N.


From: Victor Cozzetto 
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2019 2:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

The product might be great; however, from all of my research, alkaline water is 
insignificant; especially in this situation.
I have some videos that discuss which types of water are hype, and which are 
actually beneficial:

Best Type of Water?<https://youtu.be/6sNGfYTCglc>

DDW Water vs Cancer<https://youtu.be/L5GS16b3tYM>

Structured water is great; however, again, in this situation I doubt that it 
has any impact. I imagine that structuring your CS at home would be more 
effective. Curious what others think.

Hope that helps.
Victor
*
Victor F. Cozzetto
Wise Traditions Nutritionist
U.S.: (516) 908-1039
www.Vitagenics.net<http://www.vitagenics.net/>
YouTube Channel<https://www.youtube.com/victorcozzetto/>
*

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:04 AM nessie mailto:nes...@shaw.ca>> 
wrote:
Alkaline Structured Silver.
Is it legit?
Anyone know anything about this new product?
There is info here.   https://mydoctorsuggests.com/
Tks...gm

Re: CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

[Victor Cozzetto]

The product might be great; however, from all of my research, alkaline
water is insignificant; especially in this situation.
I have some videos that discuss which types of water are hype, and which
are actually beneficial:

Best Type of Water? 

DDW Water vs Cancer 

Structured water is great; however, again, in this situation I doubt that
it has any impact. I imagine that structuring your CS at home would be more
effective. Curious what others think.

Hope that helps.
Victor
*
Victor F. Cozzetto
Wise Traditions Nutritionist
U.S.: (516) 908-1039
www.Vitagenics.net 
YouTube Channel 
*

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:04 AM nessie  wrote:

> Alkaline Structured Silver.
> Is it legit?
> Anyone know anything about this new product?
> There is info here.   https://mydoctorsuggests.com/
> Tks...gm
>
>

CS>Alkaline Structured Silver

[nessie]

  
  
Alkaline Structured Silver.
Is it legit?
Anyone know anything about this new product?
There is info here.   https://mydoctorsuggests.com/
Tks...gm
  
  



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Re: *** SPAM ***CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Marshall]

Dissolved carbon dioxide is how the blood maintains its proper pH.   It 
come from metabolizing sugar and fats and is exhaled by the lungs.  This 
is easily demonstrated by hyperventilating, which expels excessive CO2, 
causing the blood pH to rise outside save bounds, and can lead to 
blacking out, until metabolization produces enough to bring it back 
down.  The body uses this, and sodium bicarbonate to regulate pH.


That is correct you do burp it, then the body uses the CO2 in the blood 
for the process of replenishing the acid in the blood by making bicarb 
of soda, and the result is that basically how much you burped out, you 
later did not breath out.


Marshall

On 1/16/2013 11:40 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



  OK cool..and that also means  it's really easy and inexpensive.
But wouldn't that be Sodium Hydroxide being formed in the blood as 
NaCl is being split to make more tummy acid after the soda is 
neutralized there?

Where does the carbon..in the blood.. come from?

NaHCO3 + HCl  makes ya burp CO2

Ode



At 11:37 AM 1/15/2013 -0500, you wrote:
The body maintains a specific level of stomach acid.  It does this by 
splitting salt in the blood, and pumping the HCl into the stomach.  
So if you take anything with an alkaline ash, such as baking soda, 
lye and so forth, the stomach acid reacts with it producing salt, the 
acid content drops, the body immediately produces more acid  to bring 
it back to normal, and produces bicarbonate of soda in the blood, 
resulting in the raising of the blood pH.  This is the equation  NaCl 
+ H2O + CO2 - > HCl + NaHCO2


This of course depletes the NaCl level of the blood, but an equal 
amount was formed in the stomach by the initial reaction, and passes 
into the blood keeping the saline level constant.  The result is that 
any alkaline ash consumed WILL alkalinize the blood, indirectly.


Marshall

On 1/14/2013 11:06 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


Anything Alkaline that you drink will be instantly neutralized by 
the HCL in your tummy.
In order to change the blood PH you have to inject it..or maybe 
inhale it.  Any route to bypass that tummy acid..MIGHT work.


Ode



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Re: *** SPAM ***CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Ode Coyote]

  OK cool..and that also means  it's really easy and inexpensive.
But wouldn't that be Sodium Hydroxide being formed in the blood as NaCl is 
being split to make more tummy acid after the soda is neutralized there?

Where does the carbon..in the blood.. come from?

NaHCO3 + HCl  makes ya burp CO2

Ode



At 11:37 AM 1/15/2013 -0500, you wrote:
The body maintains a specific level of stomach acid.  It does this by 
splitting salt in the blood, and pumping the HCl into the stomach.  So if 
you take anything with an alkaline ash, such as baking soda, lye and so 
forth, the stomach acid reacts with it producing salt, the acid content 
drops, the body immediately produces more acid  to bring it back to 
normal, and produces bicarbonate of soda in the blood, resulting in the 
raising of the blood pH.  This is the equation  NaCl + H2O + CO2 - > HCl + 
NaHCO2


This of course depletes the NaCl level of the blood, but an equal amount 
was formed in the stomach by the initial reaction, and passes into the 
blood keeping the saline level constant.  The result is that any alkaline 
ash consumed WILL alkalinize the blood, indirectly.


Marshall

On 1/14/2013 11:06 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


Anything Alkaline that you drink will be instantly neutralized by the HCL 
in your tummy.
In order to change the blood PH you have to inject it..or maybe inhale 
it.  Any route to bypass that tummy acid..MIGHT work.


Ode

RE: CS>Alkaline Water Question...Now high alkaline EIS question.

[Neville Munn]

That was very well explained - for a layman such as me to follow.
I'm no chemist so I can only ask the following in my own laymans terms, could 
you describe, as you did below, the sequence of events of ingesting very high 
alkaline EIS and its interaction with peroxides and ammonias within the body?
If people say stomach acid affects silver ions when it reaches the stomach then 
one should be able to describe the above, to the best of their 
knowledge...Yes/No?
The reason I ask is because this stomach acid destroying EIS business doesn't 
hold water with me, and never has despite what information is published to the 
contrary as this stuff simply cannot work as effectively as it does for so many 
millions around the globe if this were true.

I basically just want to know if anyone actually *knows* or are just surmising. 
I don't want guesswork or supposition, I want to know as best one can given the 
knowledge of the chemistry involved within the human body and the effect of a 
particular foreign or introduced substance has on it, in this case high 
alkaline EIS.
Remember though if you will, I am speaking of very high pH alkaline level EIS 
as opposed to the run of the mill stuff, and perhaps an answer is not possible, 
either way I'd like to know.
N.

Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:37:59 -0500
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***CS>Alkaline Water Question



  

  
  
The body maintains a specific level of stomach acid.  It does this
by splitting salt in the blood, and pumping the HCl into the
stomach.  So if you take anything with an alkaline ash, such as
baking soda, lye and so forth, the stomach acid reacts with it
producing salt, the acid content drops, the body immediately
produces more acid  to bring it back to normal, and produces
bicarbonate of soda in the blood, resulting in the raising of the
blood pH.  This is the equation  NaCl + H2O + CO2 - > HCl +
NaHCO2



This of course depletes the NaCl level of the blood, but an equal
amount was formed in the stomach by the initial reaction, and passes
into the blood keeping the saline level constant.  The result is
that any alkaline ash consumed WILL alkalinize the blood,
indirectly.



Marshall



On 1/14/2013 11:06 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

  

Anything Alkaline that you drink will be instantly neutralized
by the HCL
in your tummy.

In order to change the blood PH you have to inject it..or maybe
inhale
it.  Any route to bypass that tummy acid..MIGHT work.



Ode



  

Re: *** SPAM ***CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Marshall]

The body maintains a specific level of stomach acid.  It does this by 
splitting salt in the blood, and pumping the HCl into the stomach.  So 
if you take anything with an alkaline ash, such as baking soda, lye and 
so forth, the stomach acid reacts with it producing salt, the acid 
content drops, the body immediately produces more acid  to bring it back 
to normal, and produces bicarbonate of soda in the blood, resulting in 
the raising of the blood pH.  This is the equation  NaCl + H2O + CO2 - > 
HCl + NaHCO2


This of course depletes the NaCl level of the blood, but an equal amount 
was formed in the stomach by the initial reaction, and passes into the 
blood keeping the saline level constant.  The result is that any 
alkaline ash consumed WILL alkalinize the blood, indirectly.


Marshall

On 1/14/2013 11:06 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


Anything Alkaline that you drink will be instantly neutralized by the 
HCL in your tummy.
In order to change the blood PH you have to inject it..or maybe inhale 
it.  Any route to bypass that tummy acid..MIGHT work.


Ode

Re: *** SPAM ***CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Ode Coyote]

  Most water alkalinizers use tap water or salt as a buffer and the 
results?  You may as well put a few crystals of Draino in a glass of water.
Only by using the purest of water will you get OH[-] ions as a result. [and 
H3[+] Hydronium ions as the acid]


If you replace the + electrode with silver and use pure water you get ionic 
silver water without the anions OH[-] mixed in and "real" Alkaline water.


 There are many minerals you can use to change the PH of your water dirt 
cheap... Lye, Baking Soda for instance.
Alkavision shows the benefits of more alkaline blood, but no where even 
makes a claim that their product **actually changes** that PH...in vivo..in 
the blood.

Typical misleading advertising.

Anything Alkaline that you drink will be instantly neutralized by the HCL 
in your tummy.
In order to change the blood PH you have to inject it..or maybe inhale 
it.  Any route to bypass that tummy acid..MIGHT work.


Ode

At 07:11 AM 1/14/2013 -0800, you wrote:

So i have these Ph Drops
http://alkavision.com/

I have added them to my bottle of water per the instruction. After I did 
that i decided to test the water with some PH strips and the water wasn't 
alkaline at all?


To ensure the PH strips where working fine I took some alkaline water from 
my life ionizer and the test strips certainly showed that water being 
super alkalined.


The reason I bought these drops was because when i make a large glass of 
alkaline water using my Life Ionizer that water taste's funny after it 
sits around for a while??


Any thoughts are welcomed :)


Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
The harder you work the luckier you get!

Re: CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Lena Guyot]

They last forever and are supposed to alkalize.(I've never actually tested the 
water, but some sound people I trust recommended them) Just don't put them in 
direct sunlight, as mine took on a greenish cast and I had to rinse them very 
thoroughly and put my glass urn in a less exposed place. 
Be well,
Léna 
On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Paul wrote:

> Hey Lena. I have a bag of them I bought a long time ago. Will check them out 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Lena Guyot  wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried prill beads? (google them) Léna
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Paul Steel wrote:
>> 
>>> So i have these Ph Drops
>>> http://alkavision.com/
>>> 
>>> I have added them to my bottle of water per the instruction. After I did 
>>> that i decided to test the water with some PH strips and the water wasn't 
>>> alkaline at all?
>>> 
>>> To ensure the PH strips where working fine I took some alkaline water from 
>>> my life ionizer and the test strips certainly showed that water being super 
>>> alkalined.
>>> 
>>> The reason I bought these drops was because when i make a large glass of 
>>> alkaline water using my Life Ionizer that water taste's funny after it sits 
>>> around for a while??
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts are welcomed :)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Paul Steel
>>> h 508.520.6905
>>> c 508.922.0519
>>> The harder you work the luckier you get!
>>>  
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Re: CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Paul]

Hey Lena. I have a bag of them I bought a long time ago. Will check them out 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Lena Guyot  wrote:

> Have you tried prill beads? (google them) Léna
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Paul Steel wrote:
> 
>> So i have these Ph Drops
>> http://alkavision.com/
>> 
>> I have added them to my bottle of water per the instruction. After I did 
>> that i decided to test the water with some PH strips and the water wasn't 
>> alkaline at all?
>> 
>> To ensure the PH strips where working fine I took some alkaline water from 
>> my life ionizer and the test strips certainly showed that water being super 
>> alkalined.
>> 
>> The reason I bought these drops was because when i make a large glass of 
>> alkaline water using my Life Ionizer that water taste's funny after it sits 
>> around for a while??
>> 
>> Any thoughts are welcomed :)
>> 
>>  
>> Paul Steel
>> h 508.520.6905
>> c 508.922.0519
>> The harder you work the luckier you get!
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Re: CS>Alkaline Water Question

[Lena Guyot]

Have you tried prill beads? (google them) Léna
On Jan 14, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Paul Steel wrote:

> So i have these Ph Drops
> http://alkavision.com/
> 
> I have added them to my bottle of water per the instruction. After I did that 
> i decided to test the water with some PH strips and the water wasn't alkaline 
> at all?
> 
> To ensure the PH strips where working fine I took some alkaline water from my 
> life ionizer and the test strips certainly showed that water being super 
> alkalined.
> 
> The reason I bought these drops was because when i make a large glass of 
> alkaline water using my Life Ionizer that water taste's funny after it sits 
> around for a while??
> 
> Any thoughts are welcomed :)
> 
>  
> Paul Steel
> h 508.520.6905
> c 508.922.0519
> The harder you work the luckier you get!
>  

RE: CS>alkaline water, cancer, silver, and platinum

[Neville Munn]

Don't know about the "becoming alkaline with increasing PPM" bit?  I'll explain 
mine in this way...Mine is sky high alkaline immediately after cessation of 
production, then goes back to base 7 odd over time in storage.  That wouldn't 
be PPM increasing in this instance, just more particles forming until a point 
of stabilisation is reached.  Silver content wouldn't change in my finished 
product, just the ion/particle ratio which will affect meter readouts.
I have always been of the belief that this is something which makes the 
difference in efficacy of EIS with varying health or prevention issues.  I 
don't believe it's the PPM level that's so important, but more WHEN it's taken 
or consumed.  I can't find any literature regarding the aforesaid, but I'm 
sticking to my belief until I can find detailed explanations of the varying 
forms of EIS - as produced in the home using LVDC.  I doubt I'll be reading 
anything on this in my lifetime though.

N.

Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:04:32 -0700
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>alkaline water, cancer, silver, and platinum

I may have asked some of these questions before but can't seem to remember.  CS 
becomes alkaline with increasing PPM, right?  What does that, and this is not 
the same as alkaline water, right?

Alkaline water has anticancer effects apparently:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-inhibits-tumor-angiogenesis

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-may-enhance-anticancer-activity-platinum


In the second link, they say it is only the combination of alkaline water and 
platinum nanoparticles - and neither alkaline water or platinum alone - that 
had those anticancer effects.  We previously discussed on this forum an 
alkaline water machine that was like $200 something dollars that had platinum 
coated electrodes I think.  So perhaps some platinum nanoparticles are created 
with the use of something like that?


What happens if you first run distilled water through such an alkalizer, then 
use that water to brew CS?  Does that mess up the alkaline water?  Could it be 
possible to create a product that has "alkaline water", silver, and platinum 
all at once?



David
  

CS>alkaline water, cancer, silver, and platinum

[David AuBuchon]

I may have asked some of these questions before but can't seem to
remember.  CS becomes alkaline with increasing PPM, right?  What does that,
and this is not the same as alkaline water, right?

Alkaline water has anticancer effects apparently:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-inhibits-tumor-angiogenesis
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-may-enhance-anticancer-activity-platinum

In the second link, they say it is only the combination of alkaline water
and platinum nanoparticles - and neither alkaline water or platinum alone -
that had those anticancer effects.  We previously discussed on this forum
an alkaline water machine that was like $200 something dollars that had
platinum coated electrodes I think.  So perhaps some platinum nanoparticles
are created with the use of something like that?

What happens if you first run distilled water through such an alkalizer,
then use that water to brew CS?  Does that mess up the alkaline water?
Could it be possible to create a product that has "alkaline water", silver,
and platinum all at once?


David

RE: CS>Alkaline Water

[Jim Holmes]

Hello Jean,

Many Counties do water testing for what is call primary parameters;  those
tests answer the question: is the water safe.  They do not consider fluoride
dangerous. 

There are usually private companies in you area that will do so for a price.

National Testing Laboratories sells a kit for about $100 US that allows you
send them a sample; you must follow directions, and the sample must be
chilled with provided freeze-pack during shipping.  It is extremely
comprehensive, and I think an excellent value. It is available from
Graingers. 

www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml

Later,

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Alkaline Water

Hi Jim,

I should have put a smiley face on my letter.  :)

I would be very interested in any tests showing longer life or better health
in areas of alkaline water versus acid water.

Our water has a white substance (I'm assuming limestone but not sure), that
is obvious, especially when you make ice cubes and use them in tea, for
instance.

Does anyone know where one would be able to get tests on exactly what
minerals are in this water?

Thank you,

Jean

**
> 
> pH 7.5 is very slightly alkaline.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> Do you think I could make my fortune by selling alkaline water?  Our water
> pH is about 7.5 here, due to the lower rainfall mostly and the ground
> minerals.  
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do
>>> they use to make it acid?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Steve Rose
>>> 
>>>


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RE: CS>Alkaline Water

[Richard Harris]

Your city water department regularlly tests water, check to see if they can
check yours.

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-Original Message-
From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Alkaline Water


Hi Jim,

I should have put a smiley face on my letter.  :)

I would be very interested in any tests showing longer life or better health
in areas of alkaline water versus acid water.

Our water has a white substance (I'm assuming limestone but not sure), that
is obvious, especially when you make ice cubes and use them in tea, for
instance.

Does anyone know where one would be able to get tests on exactly what
minerals are in this water?

Thank you,

Jean

**
>
> pH 7.5 is very slightly alkaline.
>
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Do you think I could make my fortune by selling alkaline water?  Our water
> pH is about 7.5 here, due to the lower rainfall mostly and the ground
> minerals.
>
> Jean
>
> 
>
> What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do
>>> they use to make it acid?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve Rose
>>>
>>>


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CS>Alkaline Water

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi Jim,

I should have put a smiley face on my letter.  :)

I would be very interested in any tests showing longer life or better health
in areas of alkaline water versus acid water.

Our water has a white substance (I'm assuming limestone but not sure), that
is obvious, especially when you make ice cubes and use them in tea, for
instance.

Does anyone know where one would be able to get tests on exactly what
minerals are in this water?

Thank you,

Jean

**
> 
> pH 7.5 is very slightly alkaline.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> Do you think I could make my fortune by selling alkaline water?  Our water
> pH is about 7.5 here, due to the lower rainfall mostly and the ground
> minerals.  
> 
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do
>>> they use to make it acid?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Steve Rose
>>> 
>>>


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RE: CS>Alkaline Water

[Jim Holmes]

pH 7.5 is very slightly alkaline.  

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Alkaline Water

Hi,

Do you think I could make my fortune by selling alkaline water?  Our water
pH is about 7.5 here, due to the lower rainfall mostly and the ground
minerals.  

Jean


  
What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do
>> they use to make it acid?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Steve Rose
>> 
>> 
>> 


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CS>Alkaline Water

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi,

Do you think I could make my fortune by selling alkaline water?  Our water
pH is about 7.5 here, due to the lower rainfall mostly and the ground
minerals.  

Jean


  
What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do
>> they use to make it acid?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Steve Rose
>> 
>> 
>> 


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CS>Alkaline Water

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Steve,

Do some Googling and you will find lots of information.

The best machines are made in Japan, and here have gotten rather cheap 
over the years -- $300 to $500 on average.


I've had one machine for many years;  typically they are durable and 
well-made, with excellent filters.National is one of the most 
popular brands.  (Matsushita Denki.)


I just Googled a bit and found that Ray Kurzweil -- a very smart guy in 
my book -- advocates the water.See:


http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/ref/raymond_kurzweil

You can find some useful information also from one of Vinny Pinto's 
pages.  Google his name and you can find it.  He believes the main 
benefit of the water is from "hydrogen radicals."   This is arcane 
science and a bit over my head,  but I think Pinto is probably correct 
on the main points.See:


http://www.h-minus-ion.org/

I subscribe to one of this fellow's news groups, but can't 
wholeheartedly recommend others do so because often messages I post 
don't appear for some reason, and because many flames directed at 
members come, incredibly, from the moderator himself.


We're lucky on this list to have such a moderate moderator!


JBB



On Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006, at 12:32 Asia/Tokyo, Stephen Rose wrote:

I'd be interested in hearing a little more about this.  Are these 
machines available in the United States?  It sounds like they have 
several uses.  Part of this may be that I'm interested in Japanese 
culture in general.  What do they use to make water alkaline?  What do 
they use to make it acid?  Thanks.


Steve Rose


Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
In Japanese hospitals, some doctors are also using highly acidic 
water made with the "alkaline water machines" popular here.  One can 
choose the pH of the water.   Very low pH is acidic and has been 
shown to be of use on bed sores and skin ulcers from diabetes.
This method may be worth looking into also.

JBB
On Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006, at 05:41 Asia/Tokyo, 
 wrote:

Thankyou Marshall,
I have been dealing with a deep ulcer on Hof's buttock for sometime.
(My partner with chronic MS.) The medical people have allowed me
to use CS and it has been very good.
I am going to fill the ulcer with Manuka Honey today.
Will keep you posted.
Marie.

Marshall Dudley  wrote:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-04/sp-hht040606.php

Marshall



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Re: CS>Alkaline water and CS mixed

[Marshall Dudley]

Been doing it for a year now.  Works fine, no problems.

Marshall

Damian wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what the effect of alkaline water has upon silver
> colloid. I drink about 2 liters a day of alkaline water and have just
> started taking silver colloid again. I'm wondering if there are any adverse
> effects from drinking both of them. I say this because the alkaline water
> becomes negatively charged and the silver ion's are positively charged.
> Wont there be some covalent bonding going on if mixed.
>
> Look forward to a reply
> Take care all
> damian
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Re: CS>Alkaline water and CS mixed

[Dean T. Miller]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:51:43 +1000, Damian 
wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what the effect of alkaline water has upon silver 
>colloid. I drink about 2 liters a day of alkaline water and have just 
>started taking silver colloid again. I'm wondering if there are any adverse 
>effects from drinking both of them. I say this because the alkaline water 
>becomes negatively charged and the silver ion's are positively charged. 
>Wont there be some covalent bonding going on if mixed.

Hmm.  Good question.

I'd like to see an answer, too, because I drink a lot of mildly
alkaline water (Jupiter ionizer), and drink about 8 ounces of CS daily
(as well as a dash of WaterOz Water of Life).

-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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CS>Alkaline water and CS mixed

[Damian]

Can anyone tell me what the effect of alkaline water has upon silver 
colloid. I drink about 2 liters a day of alkaline water and have just 
started taking silver colloid again. I'm wondering if there are any adverse 
effects from drinking both of them. I say this because the alkaline water 
becomes negatively charged and the silver ion's are positively charged. 
Wont there be some covalent bonding going on if mixed.


Look forward to a reply
Take care all
damian


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CS>alkaline water and silver colloid

[Damian]

Hi all. I understand the silver colloid ions are positivly charged in that they 
have lost an electron. This charge is what help keep the particles suspended 
and not aglomerate. Alkaline water made by electrolisis is has and abundance of 
negativly charged ions. What would you say is the effect when you mix the 
silver colloid with the alkaline water? I guess the silver would drop out of 
suspension.? Would it form a covalent bond in which case the alkaline water 
with the reduced water tension would allow better delivery of the silver. 
thanks for your time all. 

Damian

CS>Alkaline Water Info

[MarMar1212]

Some time ago when we were on the topic of alkaline water, I mentioned Coral 
Calcium and several of you e-mailed me for more information.  My computer 
crashed and I did not get the info out to whoever it was that e-mailed me.  
It is still not up and running, so I've been using a different computer. 

<<<>>>


Anyway, here is my web site that has some real interesting information about 
the importance of alkaline water.  

http://www.coralconnectionnet/mk2484

When you get to the web site, go to the top and click on  "Documents".  Read 
the articles that talk about Coral Calcium...there's some interesting stuff 
in there.  You can also click on "Testimonials".  One of the tesimonials is 
from a friend, Sandra Foley who was bedridden 4 years ago and perfectly well 
now.  She has worked with terminally ill patients for some time now in the 
U.S.A. as well as other countries and has seen so many miraculous healings.

Bottom line, no matter how we get our water alkaline, whether we make a 
machine to do it, or buy a product, we need to drink alkaline water!  
Sickness cannot live in that environment.

Marlene
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CS>Alkaline Water

[MarMar1212]

Hi allI'm back!  (as if anyone missed me!)  Spent the last several days 
at the lake and had a great time.  I'll be getting the info out to those of 
you who have e-mailed me regarding the Coral Calcium sachets making water 
alkaline in a few days as soon as I get a few items done for dh 
businesslike payroll, etc.!

Gosh I have alot of catching up to do by the looks of my e-mail!

Marlene
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Judith Thamm]

First thing in the morning you are advised to take the juice of half a
lemon or lime to help make the system alkaline - never orange juice
etc.
That is what I'm going by.
Judith.

> Did you check the table I sent the link to at the bottom?  I have
found a
> bunch of these tables, and all the cirtus fruits listed are always
> alkaline ash.  That includes lemons, limes and oranges.  They are
acid
> before you eat them, but that has nothing to do with the ash since
the
> acid is all citric, which is an organic acid and doesn't count.
>
> Marshall
>
> Judith Thamm wrote:
>
> > Lemons and limes both are!  Oranges, mandarine, tangelos and I
think
> > it is grapefruit that aren't.
> >
> > Judith.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Marshall Dudley 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?
> >
> > > Judith Thamm wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Pam,
> > > > CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy
yourself.
> > It
> > > > is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you
make.
> > > >
> > > > Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid
fruits -
> > > > increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.
> > >
> > > I don't think any fruits are acid (ash).  On the other hand some
> > vegs are
> > > acid, such as spinich and rubarb.  Check a table to be sure.
> > >
> > > http://hometown.aol.com/pganzel/foods.htm
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Marshall Dudley]

Did you check the table I sent the link to at the bottom?  I have found a
bunch of these tables, and all the cirtus fruits listed are always
alkaline ash.  That includes lemons, limes and oranges.  They are acid
before you eat them, but that has nothing to do with the ash since the
acid is all citric, which is an organic acid and doesn't count.

Marshall

Judith Thamm wrote:

> Lemons and limes both are!  Oranges, mandarine, tangelos and I think
> it is grapefruit that aren't.
>
> Judith.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Marshall Dudley 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?
>
> > Judith Thamm wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pam,
> > > CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.
> It
> > > is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.
> > >
> > > Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
> > > increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.
> >
> > I don't think any fruits are acid (ash).  On the other hand some
> vegs are
> > acid, such as spinich and rubarb.  Check a table to be sure.
> >
> > http://hometown.aol.com/pganzel/foods.htm
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Judith Thamm]

Lemons and limes both are!  Oranges, mandarine, tangelos and I think
it is grapefruit that aren't.

Judith.

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?


> Judith Thamm wrote:
>
> > Dear Pam,
> > CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.
It
> > is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.
> >
> > Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
> > increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.
>
> I don't think any fruits are acid (ash).  On the other hand some
vegs are
> acid, such as spinich and rubarb.  Check a table to be sure.
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/pganzel/foods.htm
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Pamela Grant]

Sounds good



>Dear Pam,
>CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.  It
>is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.
>
>Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
>increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.
>
>Eating cooked potatoes [neutral -  thought to give a balance in the
>body] in a main meal and a fresh pear after your evening meal will
>send your body back into alkaline.
>
>Judith.
>- Original Message -
>From: Pamela Grant 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:11 AM
>Subject: CS=alkaline?
>
>
>> Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body
>terrain
>> alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have
>no
>> idea what I did to get that way.
>>
>> pam
>>
>
>
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[w8w8]

Found the following on EDTA at
http://www.drcranton.com/chelation/study1.htm

Erwin
~~
Ninety Percent Reduction in Cancer Mortality After Chelation Therapy
with  EDTA
Walter Blumer, M.D. and Elmer M. Cranton, M.D.

  Dr. W. Blumer practices general medicine and chelation therapy
in Netstal, Switzerland. Dr. Elmer M. Cranton (Dr. Cranton's CV is
available on this website.)

ABSTRACT: Mortality from cancer was reduced 90% during an 18-year
follow-up of 59 patients treated with EDTA chelation therapy. Only one
of 59 treated patients (1.7%) died of cancer while 30 of 172 nontreated
control subjects (17.6%) died of cancer (P = 0.002). Death from
atherosclerosis was also reduced. Treated patients had no evidence of
cancer at the time of entry into this study. Observations relate only to
long term prevention of death from malignant disease, if chelation
therapy is begun before clinical evidence of cancer occurs. Controls and
treated patients lived in the
same neighborhood, adjacent to a heavily traveled highway in a small
Swiss city. Both groups were exposed to the same amount of lead from
automobile exhaust, industrial pollution and other carcinogens. Exposure
to carcinogens was no greater for the studied population than exists in
most other metropolitan areas throughout the world. Statistical analysis
showed EDTA chelation therapy to be the only significant difference
between controls and treated patients to explain the marked reduction in
cancer mortality. Faculty of the University of Zurich Medical School
reviewed this data

Journal of Advancement in Medicine, Volume 2, Numbers 1/2, Spring/Summer
1989.
For the full-text study, go to your nearest medical library or order The
Textbook of EDTA Chelation Therapy.

Dave Perkins wrote:

> Bob
> EDTA - I  must have missed this one-  Pls. point me to the
> relative post.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Perkins
> "enjoy being"
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Marshall Dudley]

Tony Moody wrote:

> Pamela Grant wrote:
> Dear Pam,
>
> >From a one day lecture on Ozone by Dr Frank Schallenberger MD I learnt that 
> >it
> is a good thing to have an alkaline terrain. Conversely, an acid terrain slows
> the transfer of Oxygen to the tissues, slows the removal of waste from the
> tissues and slows energy transfer.
> So: if the CS causes sufficient reduction of waste in the tissues then the
> terrain will go alkaline.
>
> Dr Schallenberger was looking for a blood pH of 7.3 ideally. He said pH 7.4 is
> OK, but pH 7.7 7.8 indicates very unhealthy conditions. The blood pH goes
> alkaline in order to compensate and try to balance the unhealthy acid terrain.
>
> And from Principles of Anatomy and Physiology 6th edition G J Tortora and N P
> Anagnostakos; Harper Collins.
> Paraphrase from p870 871 follows:
> Normal blood pH range is 7.35 to 7.45
> Alkalosis is a blood pH range from 7.45 to 8.00 or higher.
>
> Respiratory Alkalosis occurs as a result of hyperventilation ... any condition
> that stimulates the respiratory centre. eg. high altitude, pulmonary disease,
> cerebrovascular accident, severe anxiety, aspirin overdose
>
> Metabolic alkalosis caused by non respiratory loss of acid from the body or
> excessive intake of alkaline drugs e.g. vomiting, gastric suctioning, use 
> of
> certain diuretics, endocrine disorders, administration of alkali.
>
> Be well
> Tony

The old game we use to play where one hyperventilates, then holds his breath and
someone else wraps his arms around them and compresses their chest uses this.  
We
use to do it as kids until someone died doing it and it was in the paper.  It 
makes
you pass out for about 15 ot 20 seconds.

The hyperventilation causes CO2 to leave the blood, causing the ph to rise, and
cause alkalosis.  Then the body starts metabolising O2 like mad to make more 
CO2 to
bring down the ph.  Then when you hold your breath, the CO2 is trapped in the 
blood,
the ph overshoots and becomes acidic, and you go from alkalosis to acidosis.  
The
result is severe shock to the body and unconciousness.  Once breathing resumes, 
the
excess CO2 eventually makes it out of the blood, it goes back into normal ph 
range,
and you come to.  If you don't start breating again, then you die.

Don't try this at home.

Marshall


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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Marshall Dudley]

Judith Thamm wrote:

> Dear Pam,
> CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.  It
> is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.
>
> Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
> increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.

I don't think any fruits are acid (ash).  On the other hand some vegs are
acid, such as spinich and rubarb.  Check a table to be sure.

http://hometown.aol.com/pganzel/foods.htm

Marshall



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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Dave Perkins]

Bob
EDTA - I  must have missed this one-  Pls. point me to the
relative post.

Thanks,

Dave Perkins
"enjoy being"

email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com
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- Original Message -
From: Robert L. Berger 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?


> Brickey,
>
> Don't expect much until at least six bottles of EDTA. I have
had over 50 and it
> has gretly help me. I have met a munber of people that have had
remarkable
> cures with it. One old codger who as legally blind from
diabetes is now driving
> his car and as 20/40 vision.  After 30 bottles they did the non
invasive blood
> flow tests and the flow rate had increased more tan 150 to 400%
in various
> parts of my body.  That test was part of the initial physical
that I received
> at the McDonagh Mediacal Center in Gladstone Mo. (Kansas City)
If you didn't
> get a very compete physical when you started then you will
never know what has
> changed.
>
> "Ole Bob"
>
>
> >
>
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Robert L. Berger]

Brickey,

Don't expect much until at least six bottles of EDTA. I have had over 50 and it
has gretly help me. I have met a munber of people that have had remarkable
cures with it. One old codger who as legally blind from diabetes is now driving
his car and as 20/40 vision.  After 30 bottles they did the non invasive blood
flow tests and the flow rate had increased more tan 150 to 400% in various
parts of my body.  That test was part of the initial physical that I received
at the McDonagh Mediacal Center in Gladstone Mo. (Kansas City) If you didn't
get a very compete physical when you started then you will never know what has
changed.

"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Dave Perkins]

Distilled water is acidic.

- Original Message -
From: Ivan Anderson 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?


> Does that depend upon pH of starting water?
>
> Ivan.
>
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> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2000 06:08
> Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?
>
>
> > Sorry but CS is not neutral. LVDC cs is about 5 to 5.5 pH
> >
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Ivan Anderson]

Does that depend upon pH of starting water?

Ivan.

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To: 
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Subject: Re: CS=alkaline?


> Sorry but CS is not neutral. LVDC cs is about 5 to 5.5 pH
>
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Brickeyk]

I read that Cancer sometimes gives off an alkaline smell as your body tries 
to do away with it by going extremely alkaline.  Be wary.
I have had several H2O2 chelations.  Didn't do much for me except take $100 
away.
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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Tony Moody]

Pamela Grant wrote:
> 
> Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain
> alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no
> idea what I did to get that way.
> 
> pam
> 
> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
> Pam

Dear Pam,

>From a one day lecture on Ozone by Dr Frank Schallenberger MD I learnt that it
is a good thing to have an alkaline terrain. Conversely, an acid terrain slows
the transfer of Oxygen to the tissues, slows the removal of waste from the
tissues and slows energy transfer.   
So: if the CS causes sufficient reduction of waste in the tissues then the
terrain will go alkaline. 

Dr Schallenberger was looking for a blood pH of 7.3 ideally. He said pH 7.4 is
OK, but pH 7.7 7.8 indicates very unhealthy conditions. The blood pH goes
alkaline in order to compensate and try to balance the unhealthy acid terrain.

And from Principles of Anatomy and Physiology 6th edition G J Tortora and N P
Anagnostakos; Harper Collins.  
Paraphrase from p870 871 follows:
Normal blood pH range is 7.35 to 7.45
Alkalosis is a blood pH range from 7.45 to 8.00 or higher.
 
Respiratory Alkalosis occurs as a result of hyperventilation ... any condition
that stimulates the respiratory centre. eg. high altitude, pulmonary disease,
cerebrovascular accident, severe anxiety, aspirin overdose

Metabolic alkalosis caused by non respiratory loss of acid from the body or
excessive intake of alkaline drugs e.g. vomiting, gastric suctioning, use of
certain diuretics, endocrine disorders, administration of alkali. 

Be well
Tony



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Re: CS=alkaline?

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 7/15/00 1:11:25 PM EST, bober...@swbell.net writes:

<< Subj:     Re: CS=alkaline?
 Date:  7/15/00 1:11:25 PM EST
 From:  bober...@swbell.net (Robert L. Berger)
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 Sorry but CS is not neutral. LVDC cs is about 5 to 5.5 pH
 
 
 "Ole Bob"
  >>

On the HVAC side, my "sputtered CS" variety yields a pH of 4.5. BTW, I 
promised to report back on whether or not the HVAC CS I make contains any 
significant amount of nitrate or nitrite. It doesn't, but I'm still awaiting 
Fred's results from a sample I sent him. Roger 

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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Robert L. Berger]

Sorry but CS is not neutral. LVDC cs is about 5 to 5.5 pH


"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS=alkaline?

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Pam,
CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself.  It
is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make.

Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits -
increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens.

Eating cooked potatoes [neutral -  thought to give a balance in the
body] in a main meal and a fresh pear after your evening meal will
send your body back into alkaline.

Judith.
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To: 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:11 AM
Subject: CS=alkaline?


> Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body
terrain
> alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have
no
> idea what I did to get that way.
>
> pam
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RE: CS=alkaline?

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Hi Pam,

I really don't know.

The body will regulate blood pH within fairly narrow limits under most 
circumstances unless there is a serious pre-existing metabolic disease.

Otherwise one should be concerned about too much vinegar in salad dressing. 

James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com
FTNWO


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From:   Pamela Grant [SMTP:pjgr...@northnet.org]
Sent:   Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:41 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:        CS=alkaline?

Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain
alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no
idea what I did to get that way.

pam



And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy,
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CS=alkaline?

[Pamela Grant]

Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain
alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no
idea what I did to get that way.

pam



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Re: CS>Alkaline water

[Dave Perkins]

Marshall

I'll state the obvious, since it is on my site.  I have. I think
he presents the information quite intelligently.

His basic premise is that if the toxins of everyday living aren't
adequately flushed out of  the cells; over the years this is what
causes our cells (us) to age.

i.e..pg.14 "Reverse Aging" Sang Whang writes: "The waste products
that we do not discard completely must be stored within our body
somewhere.  the process of aging, which starts from the very
beginning of our life, is the accumulation of these non-disposed
waste products"

and...Pg. 26 "The best kind of water for this function is
acid-free alkaline water, the water that neutralizes harmful
acids and disposes of them safely while it does not leach out
valuable alkaline minerals such as potassium, magnesium, sodium,
calcium"

"The device necessary to make the acid-free alkaline water is
called a water ionizer"

The information in this book, along with some others, such as
"The Calcium Factor" was what influenced me to include this water
as an important part of my cancer recovery.

I know there has been quite a lot of discussion on the list about
the relative merits of "pure water" (distilled and R/O) for
drinking.  The points raised have led me to further investigate
the claims made on each side.  I haven't had time to respond with
a responsible answer but I will shortly.  The discussion is great
it should  give everyone facts to weigh for themselves to decide
what is best for them.

For me, if for no other reason than distilled and R/O water test
out on the acidic side of neutral, (You must alkalize your cells
to adequately flush out toxins that cause acidity in the cell) I
feel that Ionized Alkaline water is the best for me.

I encourage all of you to read the book Amazon has it or you can
order it from my site (below).

Thanks,

Dave Perkins
"enjoy being"

email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com
web site: www.betterwayhealth.com



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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: CS>Alkaline water


> Has anyone read this book?
>
> http://www.betterwayhealth.com/reverse-aging-book.asp
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CS>Alkaline water

[Marshall Dudley]

Has anyone read this book?

http://www.betterwayhealth.com/reverse-aging-book.asp

Marshall


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Re: CS>Alkaline Water

[kassy]

Dennis,
   I'm too, am interested.  
   Kass
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> Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline Water
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 11:03 AM
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> Dennis,
> I'm interested, let me know what kind of price. How about bulk prices
> on Blood Electrifiers and Magnetic Pulsers?
> Terry Wayne
> 
> --- Dennis Lipter  wrote:
> > If anybody is interested in banding together with me
> > to purchase a water
> > ionizer at a group discount, contact me off list.
> > 
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Matt Curtin]

You may wish to try SAMe. You can by it retail now, Vitamin Shoppe has a
good deal if you have one in your area. Cost is about $30 for 30 tabs of
200mg. I suggest you start with 2-3/day and see how you feel.

I have also been taking this as an adjunct to treating this infection I
have, and it has made a big difference. I suspect because it is involved in
making glutathione and also neurotransmitters. It is not curing the
infection, but making it more bearable.

A good write-up can be found at the Life Extension Foundation site
www.lef.org.

Matt
>
>Thank you all for your responses regarding arthritis treatments.  I am
>going to look
>into your suggestions and will keep you poseted if and wehn we have some
>positive
>progress.
>
>Regards-
>Dana
>
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[dengel]

Thank you all for your responses regarding arthritis treatments.  I am
going to look
into your suggestions and will keep you poseted if and wehn we have some
positive
progress.

Regards-
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Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Ivan Anderson]

> Ivan.
>   Where do I get info on the Buteyko protecol?
> How does one learn his techniques?
>
> Tom

Tom,
Here is the address I used:
http://www.nqnet.com/buteyko/asthma_relief.html
You will find a chapter from the book which details how to treat
children and relieve them of their asthma burden free for
download as a .pdf file on this page:
http://www.nqnet.com/buteyko/buteyko-kids.html
I think one can gain an insight into the protocol from reading
it.
There are a few sites offering the Buteyko method, and others
offering similar techniques, but as far as I know, Buteyko is the
only one put under the scientific microscope, the results of
which are also posted here.

Good health,
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Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Tom Trauberman]

Ivan.
  Where do I get info on the Buteyko protecol?
How does one learn his techniques?

Tom

--- Begin Message ---
Good stuff Charles and Dennis,

I believe you are spot on when you mention diet and lifestyle as
the primary cause of illness. I would also mention environment
and emphasise stress as major contributors.
And while this is undoubtably true, the principle physical
outcome would seem to be the alteration of the internal terrain
or
environment, being most commonly the reduction of blood and
cellular pH. That is the acidification of the body.
The bodies response to this is to precipitate out of the blood
these acid wastes as it strives to maintain proper blood pH, in
turn causing many degenerative diseases. Another corollary of
high acidity and low pH is an oxygen poor internal environment.
It may turn out to be that all disease cancers etc are a result
of these processes.

In the few months that I have studied these issues, I have found
so much disparate information all pointing to the same
conclusion, and only a few daring enough to put it together and
present it as a body of work. Sang Wang being most accessible for
this.

So now we have 'unorthodox' treatments having excellent outcomes,
Ozone, HBO, alkaline water, Enderlien, Quinton, CS, zapping,
Rife, magnetic, Beck, ABX etc. Some of these protocols (alkaline
water, Quinton, Enderlien) seem to me, treat the primary body
deficiencies and response, to a less than optimum way of life,
the others would seem to treat the disease outcomes from this
primary deficiency and response, but do nothing to prevent
recurrence.

You may have noticed that I have omitted to mention breathing.
In the past week or so, thanks to an inquiry from Ms Vilik
Raphaels, I stumbled across a conditioned breathing program
invented in Russia some years ago by Buteyko to control high
blood pressure.
The Buteyko protocol was found to have very good outcomes for all
sorts of problems, from arthritis to, most notably, Athsma. The
Athsma Foundation in Australia conducted scientific tests into
the relief afforded by Buteyko, via one of the Aust.
universities, and the results showed an astounding 90% decrease
in the use of athsma medication and so, athsma attacks,... that
seems to be ongoing.

This stimulated a study into the effects of breathing on the pH
of the blood, as suggested in the Buteyko protocol, and I found
all sorts of relevant information that ties directly to the
discussion above. For instance, it seems that breathing air with
a 8% CO2 content not only raises the bodies pH and oxygen level
but also eliminates pulmonary infection, has favourable outcomes
for heart attack victims and for the asphyxiated and brain
damaged.

Buteyko breathing, reprograms the brain to not breath out too
high a CO2 content on exhalation and results in an optimum blood
pH level, and hence a higher Oxygen content.

I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the
benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just why
they are so right.

I have more work to do, but I must say that I am beginning to
believe that the secret to a healthy and long life is in the
breath, and not in the oxygen content, but in the CO2 content.

Many religions and other disciplines have always stressed the
importance of correct breathing, and I see now that there is
plenty of scientific evidence, and more, to support this idea...
to a greater extent than I would ever have imagined.

I will myself, drink alkaline water as supplied by Alkalife (as
it supplies the minerals to dissolve precipitated neutralised
acid waste and allows calcifications to be reabsorbed by the
skeleton), and learn to breath properly and maintain the correct
levels of CO2 in my body fluids and lungs, in order that acid
waste is properly eliminated in the future.

Kind regards
Ivan Anderson.

> > I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book
> > "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
> > gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
> > cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
> > (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
> > Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
> > conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
> > opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
> > Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
> > corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
> > deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid waste products
> > is the true cause of the oxygen deficit. Drinking alkaline
> > water which is rich in excess oxygen and alkaline minerals
> > both supplies oxygen and the minerals to correct the root
> > cause for the lack of oxygen.
>
> > How about some feedback as to the validity of this philosophy
> > of health and disease. Agree or disagree? How about some
> > critical feedback.
>
> Personally, and of course this is just mho, I think
> that 'the gradual acidification of 

Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Dennis Lipter]

See Dr Sheldon Saul Hendler who wrote "The Oxygen Breakthrough, 30 Days to
an Illness Free Life". He teaches breathing exercises and oxygen rich diets
to overcome illness.

Dennis Lipter

Charles Marcus wrote:

> > I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the
> > benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just
> > why they are so right.
>
> There is a breathing system from the Taoists that is
> excellent, and these guys perfected this stuff over
> thousands of years.
>
> All of my books are in boxes right now, but as soon as
> I get them unboxed, I'll post the routine.
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Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Charles Marcus]

> I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the 
> benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just
> why they are so right.

There is a breathing system from the Taoists that is
excellent, and these guys perfected this stuff over
thousands of years.

All of my books are in boxes right now, but as soon as
I get them unboxed, I'll post the routine.

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Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone

[Charles Marcus]

> Charles,

> Re: "I was tempted to buy one, but the machines were $1100 
> bucks"  fernsnutririon.com sells a Jupiter water ionizer for
> $445.

Thanks, I'll check it out...

> Very interesting story. So you think that if lifestyle
> and diet are ok then the alkaline water is not needed? I
> think that it could still be useful even with a good
> diet/lifestyle. Or maybe one could get too alkaline?

I wouldn't go so far as to say it isn't needed or
beneficial...in fact, it could only speed up the
cleansing/healing processm if it in fact does what it
claims to do.

The only people who probably wouldn't benefit from it
are people who have lived their entire lives, or a
goodly portion of it, on the fresh, raw organically
grown path.

As for one getting too alkaline, I don't know. On the
one hand, I can see the argument for it, but on the
other, the body is pretty good at eliminating what it
doesn't need as long as it isn't toxic, which I think
describes the alkaline water. Just a guess, though.

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Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Tom Trauberman]

Ivan.
  Where do I get info on the Buteyko protecol?
How does one learn his techniques?

Tom

--- Begin Message ---
Good stuff Charles and Dennis,

I believe you are spot on when you mention diet and lifestyle as
the primary cause of illness. I would also mention environment
and emphasise stress as major contributors.
And while this is undoubtably true, the principle physical
outcome would seem to be the alteration of the internal terrain
or
environment, being most commonly the reduction of blood and
cellular pH. That is the acidification of the body.
The bodies response to this is to precipitate out of the blood
these acid wastes as it strives to maintain proper blood pH, in
turn causing many degenerative diseases. Another corollary of
high acidity and low pH is an oxygen poor internal environment.
It may turn out to be that all disease cancers etc are a result
of these processes.

In the few months that I have studied these issues, I have found
so much disparate information all pointing to the same
conclusion, and only a few daring enough to put it together and
present it as a body of work. Sang Wang being most accessible for
this.

So now we have 'unorthodox' treatments having excellent outcomes,
Ozone, HBO, alkaline water, Enderlien, Quinton, CS, zapping,
Rife, magnetic, Beck, ABX etc. Some of these protocols (alkaline
water, Quinton, Enderlien) seem to me, treat the primary body
deficiencies and response, to a less than optimum way of life,
the others would seem to treat the disease outcomes from this
primary deficiency and response, but do nothing to prevent
recurrence.

You may have noticed that I have omitted to mention breathing.
In the past week or so, thanks to an inquiry from Ms Vilik
Raphaels, I stumbled across a conditioned breathing program
invented in Russia some years ago by Buteyko to control high
blood pressure.
The Buteyko protocol was found to have very good outcomes for all
sorts of problems, from arthritis to, most notably, Athsma. The
Athsma Foundation in Australia conducted scientific tests into
the relief afforded by Buteyko, via one of the Aust.
universities, and the results showed an astounding 90% decrease
in the use of athsma medication and so, athsma attacks,... that
seems to be ongoing.

This stimulated a study into the effects of breathing on the pH
of the blood, as suggested in the Buteyko protocol, and I found
all sorts of relevant information that ties directly to the
discussion above. For instance, it seems that breathing air with
a 8% CO2 content not only raises the bodies pH and oxygen level
but also eliminates pulmonary infection, has favourable outcomes
for heart attack victims and for the asphyxiated and brain
damaged.

Buteyko breathing, reprograms the brain to not breath out too
high a CO2 content on exhalation and results in an optimum blood
pH level, and hence a higher Oxygen content.

I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the
benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just why
they are so right.

I have more work to do, but I must say that I am beginning to
believe that the secret to a healthy and long life is in the
breath, and not in the oxygen content, but in the CO2 content.

Many religions and other disciplines have always stressed the
importance of correct breathing, and I see now that there is
plenty of scientific evidence, and more, to support this idea...
to a greater extent than I would ever have imagined.

I will myself, drink alkaline water as supplied by Alkalife (as
it supplies the minerals to dissolve precipitated neutralised
acid waste and allows calcifications to be reabsorbed by the
skeleton), and learn to breath properly and maintain the correct
levels of CO2 in my body fluids and lungs, in order that acid
waste is properly eliminated in the future.

Kind regards
Ivan Anderson.

> > I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book
> > "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
> > gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
> > cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
> > (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
> > Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
> > conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
> > opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
> > Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
> > corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
> > deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid waste products
> > is the true cause of the oxygen deficit. Drinking alkaline
> > water which is rich in excess oxygen and alkaline minerals
> > both supplies oxygen and the minerals to correct the root
> > cause for the lack of oxygen.
>
> > How about some feedback as to the validity of this philosophy
> > of health and disease. Agree or disagree? How about some
> > critical feedback.
>
> Personally, and of course this is just mho, I think
> that 'the gradual acidification of 

Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Vilik Rapheles]

Ivan, 

 Do you know of Ray Peat? He has a website and some unorthodox ideas. He
says that breathing O2 from an oxygen tank actually decreases oxygen. He
also purports the CO2 theory, though I did not understand it them (and to
be honest do not understand it now.) But since breathing O2 didn't work for
me, I'm willing to give it a try. It seems that breath and water are so
basic...if they can be adjusted to produce a better terrain, how fundamental. 
~^^V^^~

At 02:05 PM 7/27/99 +1200, you wrote:
>Good stuff Charles and Dennis,
>
>I believe you are spot on when you mention diet and lifestyle as
>the primary cause of illness. I would also mention environment
>and emphasise stress as major contributors.
>And while this is undoubtably true, the principle physical
>outcome would seem to be the alteration of the internal terrain
>or
>environment, being most commonly the reduction of blood and
>cellular pH. That is the acidification of the body.
>The bodies response to this is to precipitate out of the blood
>these acid wastes as it strives to maintain proper blood pH, in
>turn causing many degenerative diseases. Another corollary of
>high acidity and low pH is an oxygen poor internal environment.
>It may turn out to be that all disease cancers etc are a result
>of these processes.
>
>In the few months that I have studied these issues, I have found
>so much disparate information all pointing to the same
>conclusion, and only a few daring enough to put it together and
>present it as a body of work. Sang Wang being most accessible for
>this.
>
>So now we have 'unorthodox' treatments having excellent outcomes,
>Ozone, HBO, alkaline water, Enderlien, Quinton, CS, zapping,
>Rife, magnetic, Beck, ABX etc. Some of these protocols (alkaline
>water, Quinton, Enderlien) seem to me, treat the primary body
>deficiencies and response, to a less than optimum way of life,
>the others would seem to treat the disease outcomes from this
>primary deficiency and response, but do nothing to prevent
>recurrence.
>
>You may have noticed that I have omitted to mention breathing.
>In the past week or so, thanks to an inquiry from Ms Vilik
>Raphaels, I stumbled across a conditioned breathing program
>invented in Russia some years ago by Buteyko to control high
>blood pressure.
>The Buteyko protocol was found to have very good outcomes for all
>sorts of problems, from arthritis to, most notably, Athsma. The
>Athsma Foundation in Australia conducted scientific tests into
>the relief afforded by Buteyko, via one of the Aust.
>universities, and the results showed an astounding 90% decrease
>in the use of athsma medication and so, athsma attacks,... that
>seems to be ongoing.
>
>This stimulated a study into the effects of breathing on the pH
>of the blood, as suggested in the Buteyko protocol, and I found
>all sorts of relevant information that ties directly to the
>discussion above. For instance, it seems that breathing air with
>a 8% CO2 content not only raises the bodies pH and oxygen level
>but also eliminates pulmonary infection, has favourable outcomes
>for heart attack victims and for the asphyxiated and brain
>damaged.
>
>Buteyko breathing, reprograms the brain to not breath out too
>high a CO2 content on exhalation and results in an optimum blood
>pH level, and hence a higher Oxygen content.
>
>I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the
>benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just why
>they are so right.
>
>I have more work to do, but I must say that I am beginning to
>believe that the secret to a healthy and long life is in the
>breath, and not in the oxygen content, but in the CO2 content.
>
>Many religions and other disciplines have always stressed the
>importance of correct breathing, and I see now that there is
>plenty of scientific evidence, and more, to support this idea...
>to a greater extent than I would ever have imagined.
>
>I will myself, drink alkaline water as supplied by Alkalife (as
>it supplies the minerals to dissolve precipitated neutralised
>acid waste and allows calcifications to be reabsorbed by the
>skeleton), and learn to breath properly and maintain the correct
>levels of CO2 in my body fluids and lungs, in order that acid
>waste is properly eliminated in the future.
>
>Kind regards
>Ivan Anderson.
>
>> > I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book
>> > "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
>> > gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
>> > cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
>> > (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
>> > Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
>> > conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
>> > opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
>> > Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
>> > corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
>> > deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid wast

CS>Alkaline vs Ozone vs Breathing

[Ivan Anderson]

Good stuff Charles and Dennis,

I believe you are spot on when you mention diet and lifestyle as
the primary cause of illness. I would also mention environment
and emphasise stress as major contributors.
And while this is undoubtably true, the principle physical
outcome would seem to be the alteration of the internal terrain
or
environment, being most commonly the reduction of blood and
cellular pH. That is the acidification of the body.
The bodies response to this is to precipitate out of the blood
these acid wastes as it strives to maintain proper blood pH, in
turn causing many degenerative diseases. Another corollary of
high acidity and low pH is an oxygen poor internal environment.
It may turn out to be that all disease cancers etc are a result
of these processes.

In the few months that I have studied these issues, I have found
so much disparate information all pointing to the same
conclusion, and only a few daring enough to put it together and
present it as a body of work. Sang Wang being most accessible for
this.

So now we have 'unorthodox' treatments having excellent outcomes,
Ozone, HBO, alkaline water, Enderlien, Quinton, CS, zapping,
Rife, magnetic, Beck, ABX etc. Some of these protocols (alkaline
water, Quinton, Enderlien) seem to me, treat the primary body
deficiencies and response, to a less than optimum way of life,
the others would seem to treat the disease outcomes from this
primary deficiency and response, but do nothing to prevent
recurrence.

You may have noticed that I have omitted to mention breathing.
In the past week or so, thanks to an inquiry from Ms Vilik
Raphaels, I stumbled across a conditioned breathing program
invented in Russia some years ago by Buteyko to control high
blood pressure.
The Buteyko protocol was found to have very good outcomes for all
sorts of problems, from arthritis to, most notably, Athsma. The
Athsma Foundation in Australia conducted scientific tests into
the relief afforded by Buteyko, via one of the Aust.
universities, and the results showed an astounding 90% decrease
in the use of athsma medication and so, athsma attacks,... that
seems to be ongoing.

This stimulated a study into the effects of breathing on the pH
of the blood, as suggested in the Buteyko protocol, and I found
all sorts of relevant information that ties directly to the
discussion above. For instance, it seems that breathing air with
a 8% CO2 content not only raises the bodies pH and oxygen level
but also eliminates pulmonary infection, has favourable outcomes
for heart attack victims and for the asphyxiated and brain
damaged.

Buteyko breathing, reprograms the brain to not breath out too
high a CO2 content on exhalation and results in an optimum blood
pH level, and hence a higher Oxygen content.

I noticed that there are many sites on the web extolling the
benefits of controlled breathing, I wonder if they know just why
they are so right.

I have more work to do, but I must say that I am beginning to
believe that the secret to a healthy and long life is in the
breath, and not in the oxygen content, but in the CO2 content.

Many religions and other disciplines have always stressed the
importance of correct breathing, and I see now that there is
plenty of scientific evidence, and more, to support this idea...
to a greater extent than I would ever have imagined.

I will myself, drink alkaline water as supplied by Alkalife (as
it supplies the minerals to dissolve precipitated neutralised
acid waste and allows calcifications to be reabsorbed by the
skeleton), and learn to breath properly and maintain the correct
levels of CO2 in my body fluids and lungs, in order that acid
waste is properly eliminated in the future.

Kind regards
Ivan Anderson.

> > I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book
> > "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
> > gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
> > cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
> > (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
> > Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
> > conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
> > opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
> > Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
> > corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
> > deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid waste products
> > is the true cause of the oxygen deficit. Drinking alkaline
> > water which is rich in excess oxygen and alkaline minerals
> > both supplies oxygen and the minerals to correct the root
> > cause for the lack of oxygen.
>
> > How about some feedback as to the validity of this philosophy
> > of health and disease. Agree or disagree? How about some
> > critical feedback.
>
> Personally, and of course this is just mho, I think
> that 'the gradual acidification of the body' is ALSO
> merely a symptom. The question is, what is CAUSING the
> gradual acidifying...and the answer is,

Re: CS>Alkaline vs Ozone

[Dennis Lipter]

Charles,

Re: "I was tempted to buy one, but the machines were
$1100 bucks"  fernsnutririon.com sells a Jupiter water ionizer for $445.
Very interesting story. So you think that if lifestyle and diet are ok then
the alkaline water is not needed? I think that it could still be useful even
with a good diet/lifestyle. Or maybe one could get too alkaline?

Dennis Lipter


Charles Marcus wrote:

> > I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book
> > "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
> > gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
> > cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
> > (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
> > Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
> > conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
> > opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
> > Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
> > corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
> > deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid waste products
> > is the true cause of the oxygen deficit. Drinking alkaline
> > water which is rich in excess oxygen and alkaline minerals
> > both supplies oxygen and the minerals to correct the root
> > cause for the lack of oxygen.
>
> > How about some feedback as to the validity of this philosophy
> > of health and disease. Agree or disagree? How about some
> > critical feedback.
>
> Personally, and of course this is just mho, I think
> that 'the gradual acidification of the body' is ALSO
> merely a symptom. The question is, what is CAUSING the
> gradual acidifying...and the answer is, lifestyle and
> eating choices.
>
> Doing either (Homozon or alkaline water) without
> correcting the underlying problem (poor lifestyle/diet
> choices) will only result in temporary relief at best.
>
> I did a database job for a sunken treasure recovery out
> on a little island called Rota (about 40 miles N or
> Guam) a few years ago. I was there for 6 months, and
> one of the crew had an alkaline water generator, and
> let me read Sangs book. The guys on the crew called the
> water 'Power Water', had no clue and weren't interested
> in the specifics, but they all claimed it enabled them
> to work all day long in the hot sun (they were building
> floating barges for excavation/artifact recovery). I
> definitely felt a difference, but didn't drink all that
> much. I was tempted to buy one, but the machines were
> $1100 bucks, and I don't like spending that much money
> on something like that if there isn't at least a 30 day
> money back guarantee on it (30 days is enough for me to
> get past any placebo effect).
>
> The other guys swore by it though, and none of them
> were what you would call health nuts. As a matter of
> fact, one of the things they used ot for most, aside
> from working, was to prevent/clear up a hangover.
> According to them, you just drank a big glass before
> bed and upon arising, and no hangover, no matter how
> much or of what you drank.
>
> --
>
> Charles Marcus
>
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CS>Alkaline vs Ozone

[Charles Marcus]

> I have been studying the work of Sang Whang who in his book 
> "Reverse Aging" claims the root cause of disease is the
> gradual acidification (lowering of pH) of the body. He cites
> cancer as being an anaerobic process that grows in an acidic
> (low pH) environment. He goes on further to mention that the
> Germans use of ozone therapies to treat many disease
> conditions as targeting the symptom (oxygen deficit) as
> opposed to the cause (acid buildup) and the Japanese and
> Koreans use of alkaline water to deacidify the body as a
> corrective for the oxygen deficit pointing out that oxygen
> deficit is a symptom, and the buildup of acid waste products
> is the true cause of the oxygen deficit. Drinking alkaline
> water which is rich in excess oxygen and alkaline minerals
> both supplies oxygen and the minerals to correct the root
> cause for the lack of oxygen.

> How about some feedback as to the validity of this philosophy
> of health and disease. Agree or disagree? How about some
> critical feedback.

Personally, and of course this is just mho, I think
that 'the gradual acidification of the body' is ALSO
merely a symptom. The question is, what is CAUSING the
gradual acidifying...and the answer is, lifestyle and
eating choices.

Doing either (Homozon or alkaline water) without
correcting the underlying problem (poor lifestyle/diet
choices) will only result in temporary relief at best.

I did a database job for a sunken treasure recovery out
on a little island called Rota (about 40 miles N or
Guam) a few years ago. I was there for 6 months, and
one of the crew had an alkaline water generator, and
let me read Sangs book. The guys on the crew called the
water 'Power Water', had no clue and weren't interested
in the specifics, but they all claimed it enabled them
to work all day long in the hot sun (they were building
floating barges for excavation/artifact recovery). I
definitely felt a difference, but didn't drink all that
much. I was tempted to buy one, but the machines were
$1100 bucks, and I don't like spending that much money
on something like that if there isn't at least a 30 day
money back guarantee on it (30 days is enough for me to
get past any placebo effect).

The other guys swore by it though, and none of them
were what you would call health nuts. As a matter of
fact, one of the things they used ot for most, aside
from working, was to prevent/clear up a hangover.
According to them, you just drank a big glass before
bed and upon arising, and no hangover, no matter how
much or of what you drank.

--

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Re: CS>Alkaline Water

[Terry Wayne]

Dennis,
I'm interested, let me know what kind of price. How about bulk prices
on Blood Electrifiers and Magnetic Pulsers?
Terry Wayne

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> to purchase a water
> ionizer at a group discount, contact me off list.
> 
> P.S.  I am not selling them but am trying to obtain
> a reduced price
> through volume.
> 
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> 
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CS>Alkaline Water

[Dennis Lipter]

If anybody is interested in banding together with me to purchase a water
ionizer at a group discount, contact me off list.

P.S.  I am not selling them but am trying to obtain a reduced price
through volume.

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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Ivan Anderson]

- Original Message -
From: RON BRENNEN 
>>sniiip<<
> The diluted vinegar described above is grocery store vinegar which
is
> pasturized and contains no mother. The curative power is in the
mother
> not in the acid. The mother is the same familiy as penecilin, except
> that it natural. I am 87 and taking unpasturized raw vinegar for
over
> 20 years for stomach upsets, infectiions  and diarhea. It stops
diarhea
> and indigestion in less than 15 minutes. I have a friend who is
taking
> it for stomach ulcers and says it is the only thing that helps.
> You can't dispute practical experience.
> Ron

Ron,
I live and learn.
Thanks.

Ivan



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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[RON BRENNEN]

Dennis Lipter wrote:
> 
> Apple cider vinegar contains malic acid, not acetic acid.
> 
> Dennis Lipter
> 
> Ivan Anderson wrote:
> 
> > > Well, since you didn't bother to differentiate between
> > > raw, apple cider vinegar, or white, distilled vinegar,
> > > then obviously you don;t know much about it.
> >
> > No, you are right, I don't know much about raw apple cider vinegar,
> > but I do know this:
> >
> >  THE TRUTH ABOUT VINEGAR
> > by Kenneth S. Jaffrey
> > Naturopath, from his book "Natural Foods", Published by Kenneth S.
> > Jaffrey, 9 Mandalay Avenue, Nelly Bay, Qld. 4819 Australia, 1985
> >
> > 'Vinegar is a poison and even when dignified by the addition of the
> > words "Apple cider" it is still a poison. Vinegar is diluted acetic
> > acid. It is obtained by conversion of alcohol into an acid by the
> > bacterium Mycoderma Aceti...
> >
> > ...Vinegar, no matter what its origin may be, is still acetic acid and
> > is most unsuitable for human consumption. The highly corrosive and
> > irritating acid hardens the liver, unduly stimulates and irritates the
> > digestive glands, interferes with the formation of red blood
> > corpuscles and, through its constant irritating effect upon the mucus
> > membranes, of the intestinal canal, is one of the chief causes of
> > ulceration, catarrh, and indirectly, cancer. It is also a prime cause
> > of stomach ulceration.
> >
> > Vinegar is useless as a cure for disease. It is harmful and should be
> > rigidly excluded from the diet. It acts like a counter-irritant but
> > does not have any beneficial effect. Like every other drug, it does
> > have the effect of altering the course of a disease by suppression,
> > but does not cure. Vinegar has caused many illnesses and even death.
> > Post-mortem examination reveals that vinegar produces scalded mouth
> > and a greyish-white condition of the stomach mucosa. Two deaths have
> > recently been reported in Australia.
> >
> > If you still persist in consuming vinegar, either as a food or a
> > remedy, remember -- you have been warned.'
> >
> > I used to drink apple cider vinegar - I don't any more.
> >
> > Regards - Ivan

The diluted vinegar described above is grocery store vinegar which is
pasturized and contains no mother. The curative power is in the mother
not in the acid. The mother is the same familiy as penecilin, except
that it natural. I am 87 and taking unpasturized raw vinegar for over
20 years for stomach upsets, infectiions  and diarhea. It stops diarhea
and indigestion in less than 15 minutes. I have a friend who is taking
it for stomach ulcers and says it is the only thing that helps.
You can't dispute practical experience.
Ron 
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Charles Marcus]

> In a message dated 99-07-18 15:33:44 EDT, you write:
> 
>> The fact is, white distilled vinegar is indeed
>>  EXTREMELY harmful to the body, while raw, apple cider
>>  vinegar is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.
>>
>
> The apple cider vinegar I bought at the grocery store doesn't
> say if it's raw or not.  Do I assume it is because if it were
> distilled, it would be white?
> Samm

As a general rule, I would say no. If it is raw,
generally, it will say so. I have only recently started
seeing raw apple cider vinegar in the health food
section of Kroger here in Atlanta. I have NEVER seen it
in normal grocery stores, until now, and STILL have
never sen it in the 'regular' part of the store where
they keep the distilled vinegars.

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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Roland Timney]

Apple cider vinager--bad stuff--??
I would like a second opinion please.



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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Michael Anthony]

Ivan,
You say you know this. How is it you know this? Did you experience the
negative effects listed below and did those negative effects 
go away when you stopped using the vinegar? Are you just offering
Jaffrey's opinion because you don't have one of your own? I have found
that raw organic apple cider vinegar (ACV) has been quit helpful to me. 
No bad side effects listed below. My liver is fine, my mouth is fine
etc. etc.

Michael

Ivan Anderson wrote:
> 
> > Well, since you didn't bother to differentiate between
> > raw, apple cider vinegar, or white, distilled vinegar,
> > then obviously you don;t know much about it.
> 
> No, you are right, I don't know much about raw apple cider vinegar,
> but I do know this:
> 
>  THE TRUTH ABOUT VINEGAR
> by Kenneth S. Jaffrey
> Naturopath, from his book "Natural Foods", Published by Kenneth S.
> Jaffrey, 9 Mandalay Avenue, Nelly Bay, Qld. 4819 Australia, 1985
> 
> 'Vinegar is a poison and even when dignified by the addition of the
> words "Apple cider" it is still a poison. Vinegar is diluted acetic
> acid. It is obtained by conversion of alcohol into an acid by the
> bacterium Mycoderma Aceti...
> 
> ...Vinegar, no matter what its origin may be, is still acetic acid and
> is most unsuitable for human consumption. The highly corrosive and
> irritating acid hardens the liver, unduly stimulates and irritates the
> digestive glands, interferes with the formation of red blood
> corpuscles and, through its constant irritating effect upon the mucus
> membranes, of the intestinal canal, is one of the chief causes of
> ulceration, catarrh, and indirectly, cancer. It is also a prime cause
> of stomach ulceration.
> 
> Vinegar is useless as a cure for disease. It is harmful and should be
> rigidly excluded from the diet. It acts like a counter-irritant but
> does not have any beneficial effect. Like every other drug, it does
> have the effect of altering the course of a disease by suppression,
> but does not cure. Vinegar has caused many illnesses and even death.
> Post-mortem examination reveals that vinegar produces scalded mouth
> and a greyish-white condition of the stomach mucosa. Two deaths have
> recently been reported in Australia.
> 
> If you still persist in consuming vinegar, either as a food or a
> remedy, remember -- you have been warned.'
> 
> I used to drink apple cider vinegar - I don't any more.
> 
> Regards - Ivan
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Dennis Lipter]

Apple cider vinegar contains malic acid, not acetic acid.

Dennis Lipter

Ivan Anderson wrote:

> > Well, since you didn't bother to differentiate between
> > raw, apple cider vinegar, or white, distilled vinegar,
> > then obviously you don;t know much about it.
>
> No, you are right, I don't know much about raw apple cider vinegar,
> but I do know this:
>
>  THE TRUTH ABOUT VINEGAR
> by Kenneth S. Jaffrey
> Naturopath, from his book "Natural Foods", Published by Kenneth S.
> Jaffrey, 9 Mandalay Avenue, Nelly Bay, Qld. 4819 Australia, 1985
>
> 'Vinegar is a poison and even when dignified by the addition of the
> words "Apple cider" it is still a poison. Vinegar is diluted acetic
> acid. It is obtained by conversion of alcohol into an acid by the
> bacterium Mycoderma Aceti...
>
> ...Vinegar, no matter what its origin may be, is still acetic acid and
> is most unsuitable for human consumption. The highly corrosive and
> irritating acid hardens the liver, unduly stimulates and irritates the
> digestive glands, interferes with the formation of red blood
> corpuscles and, through its constant irritating effect upon the mucus
> membranes, of the intestinal canal, is one of the chief causes of
> ulceration, catarrh, and indirectly, cancer. It is also a prime cause
> of stomach ulceration.
>
> Vinegar is useless as a cure for disease. It is harmful and should be
> rigidly excluded from the diet. It acts like a counter-irritant but
> does not have any beneficial effect. Like every other drug, it does
> have the effect of altering the course of a disease by suppression,
> but does not cure. Vinegar has caused many illnesses and even death.
> Post-mortem examination reveals that vinegar produces scalded mouth
> and a greyish-white condition of the stomach mucosa. Two deaths have
> recently been reported in Australia.
>
> If you still persist in consuming vinegar, either as a food or a
> remedy, remember -- you have been warned.'
>
> I used to drink apple cider vinegar - I don't any more.
>
> Regards - Ivan
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Ivan Anderson]

> Well, since you didn't bother to differentiate between
> raw, apple cider vinegar, or white, distilled vinegar,
> then obviously you don;t know much about it.

No, you are right, I don't know much about raw apple cider vinegar,
but I do know this:

 THE TRUTH ABOUT VINEGAR
by Kenneth S. Jaffrey
Naturopath, from his book "Natural Foods", Published by Kenneth S.
Jaffrey, 9 Mandalay Avenue, Nelly Bay, Qld. 4819 Australia, 1985

'Vinegar is a poison and even when dignified by the addition of the
words "Apple cider" it is still a poison. Vinegar is diluted acetic
acid. It is obtained by conversion of alcohol into an acid by the
bacterium Mycoderma Aceti...

...Vinegar, no matter what its origin may be, is still acetic acid and
is most unsuitable for human consumption. The highly corrosive and
irritating acid hardens the liver, unduly stimulates and irritates the
digestive glands, interferes with the formation of red blood
corpuscles and, through its constant irritating effect upon the mucus
membranes, of the intestinal canal, is one of the chief causes of
ulceration, catarrh, and indirectly, cancer. It is also a prime cause
of stomach ulceration.

Vinegar is useless as a cure for disease. It is harmful and should be
rigidly excluded from the diet. It acts like a counter-irritant but
does not have any beneficial effect. Like every other drug, it does
have the effect of altering the course of a disease by suppression,
but does not cure. Vinegar has caused many illnesses and even death.
Post-mortem examination reveals that vinegar produces scalded mouth
and a greyish-white condition of the stomach mucosa. Two deaths have
recently been reported in Australia.

If you still persist in consuming vinegar, either as a food or a
remedy, remember -- you have been warned.'

I used to drink apple cider vinegar - I don't any more.

Regards - Ivan




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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[RON BRENNEN]

samma...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 99-07-18 15:33:44 EDT, you write:
> 
> > The fact is, white distilled vinegar is indeed
> >  EXTREMELY harmful to the body, while raw, apple cider
> >  vinegar is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.
> >
> 
> The apple cider vinegar I bought at the grocery store doesn't say if it's
> raw or not.  Do I assume it is because if it were distilled, it would be
> white?
> Samm
  You can't buy raw unpasturizes apple cider in the grocery store.
  Ron


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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Roland Timney]

It is my understanding that white vinegar isnothing but acidic acid
which can be made out of patrolium. or oil. and probabley other things.



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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Sammark4]

In a message dated 99-07-18 15:33:44 EDT, you write:

> The fact is, white distilled vinegar is indeed
>  EXTREMELY harmful to the body, while raw, apple cider
>  vinegar is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.
>  

The apple cider vinegar I bought at the grocery store doesn't say if it's 
raw or not.  Do I assume it is because if it were distilled, it would be 
white?
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Charles Marcus]

> Dana
> 
> Vinegar is acidic and will not help in reducing acid waste 
> deposits as far as I know.

Well, since you didn't bother to differentiate between
raw, apple cider vinegar, or white, distilled vinegar,
then obviously you don;t know much about it.

The fact is, white distilled vinegar is indeed
EXTREMELY harmful to the body, while raw, apple cider
vinegar is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.

Raw, apple cider vinegar will INDEED GREATLY assist in
detoxifying the body, and will go a long way in
repairing the damage caused by poor lifestyle choices
that result in arthritis, as well as many other
problems.

Of course, NOTHING will make any permanent difference,
if the diet and lifestyle choices don't change.

Health is something we must EARN by intelligent
lifestyle choices.

> Drinking alkaline water however, will in time help dissolve
> these deposits, and will also add oxygen to the system,
> further improving health.

Maybe, but it is not a magic bullet, and may only be a
temporary solution, if dietary/lifestyle changes are
not made.

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CS>Alkaline water Device and Arthritis

[Ivan Anderson]

Dana

Vinegar is acidic and will not help in reducing acid waste deposits as
far as I know.
Drinking alkaline water however, will in time help dissolve these
deposits, and will also add oxygen to the system, further improving
health.

http://www.alkalife.com/  gives some explanations for these effects in
the science and health section. They also sell a water alkalising
supplement.

Brooks Bradley has posted a protocol that has been effective in
treating arthritic conditions. I take the liberty of reposting them
now.

Regards - Ivan
===
Hello Mr. Fairchild.  My name is Brooks Bradley.  I am one of the
principals
in a non-profit, charitable, research group conducting activities in
several
areasone being various treatment protocols involved in
experimental
procedures for relieving  the effects of arthritic conditions.
Without
elaborating upon our current studies, I will take a moment to outline
an
experimental protocol we are presently using...which is simple,
inexpensive and ENORMOUSLY PROMISING.  Our volunteer experimental
subjects
(6) are all older human males, ranging in age from 71 to 81 years of
age;
and suffering from varying degrees of degenerative arthritis.most
especially in the knees and shoulder joints.  The protocol used on all
six
subjects is as follows:  Glucosamine Sulphate
(500mg)/chondroitin(400mg)
combination tabletone each 3 times daily:  One 285mg capsule of
Microhydrin (silicon hydride specially processed), twice dailya
one-time
course of CMO (cetyl myristoleate from animal sources) comprised of 60
capsules administered at the rate of 6 every twenty-four hours.  There
are
some special dietary considerations to be employed while taking the
CMO.
This is especially applicable to consuming very little meat during the
10
day program, and to maintaining a one-hour window before any
meal---and/or a
two-hour window AFTER a meal..when taking a dose of CMO.
Our preliminary results have been nothing short of  ASTOUNDING.  T
his is
especially true relating to pain relief and joint mobility.  In almost
every
case there has been a very substantial increase in the synovial
fluidIN
ALL MAJOR ARTICULATING JOINTS.
We have been astonished at the degree of pain relief among the
volunteers,
especially considering the degree of cartilage loss and lack of
lubrication
present in the more severely stressed joints.  I AM THE 71 YEAR OLD
SUBJECT
IN THIS TEST PROGRAM., and the relief I  gained within the first 21
days,
from two severely compromised knees, is almost unbelieveable.  If you
are
interested in possibly invoking a similar protocol, I can refer you to
several sites on the internet that are reliable sources for CMO (we
have
used two of them and gotten very satisfactory products from them).
You can
procure Glucosamine Sulphate/Chondroitin Complex from any /Super
Walmart ,
in the pharmacy sectionwithout a prescription (It is a naturally
occuring substance in the human body and is comlpletely non-toxic).
The CMO
protocol STOPS the degeneration process through turning off the
rampant T-4
cells in the articulating joint capsule areas---it is not a
pain-killer or
repair medium, but does a wonderful job of allowing the body's immune
system
to start rectifying the damage.  The Glucosamine/Chondroitin Complex
DOES
promote both connective tissue regeneration and synovial fluid volume
increase.  This substance is a very powerful PAIN REDUCER in
articulating
joints. Ours is a humanitarian effort.  We are very well funded;  do
not
solicit--OR ACCEPT---outside contributions for our work.  We have
discovered
that these two protocols work quite synergisticallytogether.  Feel
free
to email me if you are interested in possibly employing a similar
protocolEXPERIMENTALLY, in conjunction with your VOLUNTEER
friend.  I
will be more than happy to assist you in your search .  Sincerely.
Brooks
Bradley.

  Dear List members.  Due to the overwhelming email traffic generated
by my
"accidental" on-list posting (1/5/99), I am taking this opportunity to
pass
on information on an ancillary procedure we have added to the basic
protocol utilized in our original evaluations.  While I have
previously
given this information to several people via private email, in an
effort to
convey this information to all of the restat one time, I will
outline
the modification now.
This mod involved the addition of MSM (Methyl Sulphonyl
Methane)[three
#2 capsules daily), plus two proteolytic enzymes (bromelain---40mg;
and
papain---50mg), administered as one tablet each, three times daily.
Ideally, these are taken simultaneously with the
Glucosamine/Chrondroitin
complex tablets.  All volunteers in our study take their
GS/Chrondroitin
tablets at meal-time.  One interesting, serendipitous, result of this
latter addition is---the virtual elimination of digestive difficulties
in
All of the subjects adding this modification. This protocol
modification
has resulted in an approximately 30% 

Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Ivan Anderson]

Oh, ok. I thought you had heard of some study or other that inferred a
link between cancer and alkalinity.
All the studies I have seen indicate that cancer cells cannot form in
an alkaline (oxygen rich) environment.

Well I guess the body needs nutrition to function well, and if HCl
supplementation helps that... but to add more acid without a greater
alkaline intake may just make matters worse.

Ivan.

> Ivan Anderson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >   Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
> > >   Ron Brennen
> >
> > What brings you to this conclusion, Ron?
> >
> > Ivan.
>
>   People with cancer have lost their appetite due to a lack of
>   hydrochloric acid. Hydrochloric acid is necessary for the
production
>   of white blood cells (immune system). I have often wondered if
giving
>   a cancer patient hydrochloric acid would cure the cancer.
>   Food for thought.
>   Ron



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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[BROOKS BRADLEY]

Dear Ms. Wilson.
Permit me to inquire---without prejudice---as to where
you obtained your information relating to deleterious effects of chondroitin?  I
am genuinely interested.  I was quite surprised by your conclusions as stated in
your recent post and am very interested in learning more about how you gained
this knowledge.
My reasons are that our research group has investigated chondroitinin all of
its ---identifiable---naturally-occurring forms for the last several years and
have never found it to be adversely reactiveor a detriment to any of the
"higher mammalian forms" on which we have conducted research.  Quite the
contrary;  without an abundance of the chondroitin fraction, all of the major
articulating joint capsules in the human body find it exceedingly difficult to
conduct necesary "organic business"such as synovial lubrication and
waste/detritious matter elimination (please remember, there is no blood
circulation in this immediate environment).  I am not attempting to be
adversarial in the least and am positively interested in your sources of
information.  If you could email me any of your sources, (especially technical
or research facilities) I would be very grateful.  We are ever anxious to expand
our knowledge in this area of investigation.
Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.
Pauline Wilson wrote:

> Have you tried glucosamine sulfate?  It stopped the pain for my mother 3
> years ago, she is now 87.  We have stayed with the pure glucosamine sulfate
> 500 mg three times a day.  After a month she noticed she was better and
> after three months she was pain free.  This stuff takes awhile to begin to
> work so be patience!  She is on a maintenance of one capsule a day.  If she
> has a "flare up", she increases her dosage until she's better.   I recommend
> you get the book "The arthritis cure" or maybe it's "cure your arthritis".
> It was a national best seller about three years ago.  I do not use the
> condritant combination because it stops angeogensis (sp?)
> Good luck.
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Marcus 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline water Device
>
> >> Hello-
> >>
> >> I am interested in the Ionized water treatment you spoke of
> >> to reduce acidity levels in the body. My husband has been
> >> diagnosed with a severe form of reactive arthritis and is in
> >> constant pain.  One of the recurring factors that comes up in
> >> his bloodwork is high Acidic levels.
> >
> >> Also, has anyone heard of additional "treatments" that have
> >> been effective in helping people suffering with arthritis.
> >> He is only 35 and we have 3 small children..sometimes his
> >> pain is unbearable. We have been to 3 rheumatologists, a
> >> naprapath & chiropractor. We have tried acupunture and that
> >> has helped a little.
> >
> >> I would be grateful for any information that anyone has in
> >> treating arthritis.
> >>
> >> Thank You-
> >> Dana
> >
> >Raw applec cider vinegar, 1-2 tablespoons in a glass of
> >pure water, 3-10 times a day. Helps immensely, and with
> >proper diet, will completely eliminate it.
> >
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[RON BRENNEN]

Ivan Anderson wrote:
> 
> >
> >   Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
> >   Ron Brennen
> 
> What brings you to this conclusion, Ron?
> 
> Ivan.
   
  People with cancer have lost their appetite due to a lack of
  hydrochloric acid. Hydrochloric acid is necessary for the production
  of white blood cells (immune system). I have often wondered if giving
  a cancer patient hydrochloric acid would cure the cancer.
  Food for thought.
  Ron
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Pauline Wilson]

Have you tried glucosamine sulfate?  It stopped the pain for my mother 3
years ago, she is now 87.  We have stayed with the pure glucosamine sulfate
500 mg three times a day.  After a month she noticed she was better and
after three months she was pain free.  This stuff takes awhile to begin to
work so be patience!  She is on a maintenance of one capsule a day.  If she
has a "flare up", she increases her dosage until she's better.   I recommend
you get the book "The arthritis cure" or maybe it's "cure your arthritis".
It was a national best seller about three years ago.  I do not use the
condritant combination because it stops angeogensis (sp?)
Good luck.
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline water Device


>> Hello-
>>
>> I am interested in the Ionized water treatment you spoke of
>> to reduce acidity levels in the body. My husband has been
>> diagnosed with a severe form of reactive arthritis and is in
>> constant pain.  One of the recurring factors that comes up in
>> his bloodwork is high Acidic levels.
>
>> Also, has anyone heard of additional "treatments" that have
>> been effective in helping people suffering with arthritis.
>> He is only 35 and we have 3 small children..sometimes his
>> pain is unbearable. We have been to 3 rheumatologists, a
>> naprapath & chiropractor. We have tried acupunture and that
>> has helped a little.
>
>> I would be grateful for any information that anyone has in
>> treating arthritis.
>>
>> Thank You-
>> Dana
>
>Raw applec cider vinegar, 1-2 tablespoons in a glass of
>pure water, 3-10 times a day. Helps immensely, and with
>proper diet, will completely eliminate it.
>
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Charles Marcus]

> Hello-
> 
> I am interested in the Ionized water treatment you spoke of 
> to reduce acidity levels in the body. My husband has been
> diagnosed with a severe form of reactive arthritis and is in
> constant pain.  One of the recurring factors that comes up in
> his bloodwork is high Acidic levels.

> Also, has anyone heard of additional "treatments" that have
> been effective in helping people suffering with arthritis.
> He is only 35 and we have 3 small children..sometimes his
> pain is unbearable. We have been to 3 rheumatologists, a
> naprapath & chiropractor. We have tried acupunture and that
> has helped a little.

> I would be grateful for any information that anyone has in
> treating arthritis.
>
> Thank You-
> Dana

Raw applec cider vinegar, 1-2 tablespoons in a glass of
pure water, 3-10 times a day. Helps immensely, and with
proper diet, will completely eliminate it.

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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Charles Marcus]

> 
>> 
>>   Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
>>   Ron Brennen
>
> What brings you to this conclusion, Ron?
>
> Ivan.

I remember reading somewhere that the ROAD to terminal
cancer is such that a simple statement like this is not
in context with reality.

In other words, you start OFF highly ACIDIC, and then,
at some popint in the process, your body switches to
highly alkaline. These are BOTH your body's attempt to
rectify an impossible situation (heal itself without
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[dengel]

Hello-

I am interested in the Ionized water treatment you spoke of to reduce
acidity levels in the body.
My husband has been diagnosed with a severe form of reactive arthritis and
is in constant
pain.  One of the recurring factors that comes up in his bloodwork is high
Acidic levels.

Also, has anyone heard of additional "treatments" that have been effective
in helping
people suffering with arthritis.  He is only 35 and we have 3 small
children..sometimes his
pain is unbearable. We have been to 3 rheumatologists, a naprapath &
chiropractor. We
have tried acupunture and that has helped a little.

I would be grateful for any information that anyone has in treating
arthritis.

Thank You-
Dana




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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Piper]

I've also read that many immune dis-eases and Cancer see very toxic people.
One woman in CA almost contmainated the men who removed her body. So toxic
elimination we hold is very important IMHO.

I went to a Japanese Shiatsu MD for many years. She did acupuncture and head
treatment on me. The head treatment released all the toxins internally , the
premise was the product for the hair drew all the toxins to the top of the
head. This is what she did & I continue to do at home:

Find a product called Essential Elements (many large store sell it). Buy the
Lavender/Sage , bath, body & massage oil. Pour into palm and begin to rub
into headinto the scalp. Continue to do this until you feel your scalp is
saturated. Get  a plastic shower cap, put on for 20-30 min. Use a shower
massager preferrably (shower will work) and masssage in circle motion to
aerate while rinsing it out. This must be done on clean hair (preferrably
dry). This truly works!

Also I drink a cup of detox tea daily which I order from a place called
Indiana Botanicals. Detoxing is essential and I also use many extract herbs
when a spell of CFIDS hits hard.

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To: Silver-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline water Device


>
> >
> >   Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
> >   Ron Brennen
>
> What brings you to this conclusion, Ron?
>
> Ivan.
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Ivan Anderson]

> 
>   Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
>   Ron Brennen

What brings you to this conclusion, Ron?

Ivan.


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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[RON BRENNEN]

fedtol...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have Sang Whang's book called "Reverse Aging" that discusses ph levels.
> He believes many diseases start or are caused by the acidic levels of our
> body ph produced from our diets.To be brief, he suggests " drinking 5
> glasses of 10 ph water daily will graduallly lower the bodies acidity and
> enable the body to dispose of all the waste products produced daily and
> then some.  Drinking inonized alkaline water is much better than taking
> alkalline mineral tablets such as calcuim tablets."
> 
> Sounds like the water you are getting would meet his approval with a ph of
> 9-10!
> Diana

  Most people with cancer are highly alkalized.
  Ron Brennen
> --
> > From: samma...@aol.com
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline water Device
> > Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:00 AM
> >
> > In a message dated 99-07-11 02:29:23 EDT, you write:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >  That sounds like a great price!!  I have followed different threads
> about
> > >  this subject and it seems it is quite a good thing to do.  Someone
> recently
> > >  explained the principle of just how it worked and that was very
> > >  interesting.  However, I think I looked in on a site and the price was
> > >  exorbitant, and I believe that this product was made in China.  So,
> let me
> > >  know what you find out.  I don't have many resources up here.  Wonder
> if
> > >  they ship these out?  Have you actually seen one to see the quality
> and
> > >  such as that.
> > >
> > >  I'm interested for one.  Thanks for the info!
> > >  Susan
> >
> > Hi Susan,
> >
> > He had two at the store, collecting dust.  I didn't pull the one out
> of
> > the box, but saw the top of it.  The instructions and explanations were
> all
> > in Korean except for one brief overview in English.  I can ask if he will
> 
> > ship one.  Overall, it looked like a nice double-barrelled coffee maker.
> I
> > *thought* that sounded like a good price.  Admittedly, I didn't pay much
> > attention to the discussion of ionized water when it was going on a few
> weeks
> > back.  I'll be down his way this Wednesday or the next Wednesday.  I'll
> > inquire about the shipping  -- to see if it's a possibility.  :)
> > Samm
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Ivan Anderson]

>
>That one has got me scratching my head. It is said that bacteria
can't
> live in an acid rich enviroment. So you would think that an acid
rich
> body would be the best to fight off diseases.
>
> Take Care
> Reid

Reid,
The skin, the saliva etc. is acid and forms a barrier to bacteria, but
the body strives to maintain an internal pH slightly alkaline.
It does this, primarily through a chemical reaction culminating in the
expiration of CO2. When the body cannot neutralise its acid waste and
ingestion in this manner, it will resort to precipitating this waste
out of solution, thereby eliminating its influence in the body-fluid
pH.
The newly formed solids are then deposited in various places as
plague, stones etc. and can be a cause of many ailments, and poor
health.

Calcium, an alkaline mineral, will be stripped from the bones in order
to combine with the acids to form these precipitates.

Alkaline water, which is really a positive metal ion attached to
negatively charged hydroxyl water ions OH-, supplies the OH- needed to
neutralise the acids as water soluble compounds. The minerals, being
of higher charge, will actually displace calcium from the plaques
making it available for re-absorption into the bones.

All around good stuff...mostly.

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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Reid Smith]

>Hi,
>I have Sang Whang's book called "Reverse Aging" that discusses ph levels. 
>He believes many diseases start or are caused by the acidic levels of our
>body ph produced from our diets.To be brief, he suggests " drinking 5
>glasses of 10 ph water daily will graduallly lower the bodies acidity and
>enable the body to dispose of all the waste products produced daily and
>then some.  Drinking inonized alkaline water is much better than taking
>alkalline mineral tablets such as calcuim tablets." 
>Sounds like the water you are getting would meet his approval with a ph of
>9-10!
>Diana  

   That one has got me scratching my head. It is said that bacteria can't
live in an acid rich enviroment. So you would think that an acid rich 
body would be the best to fight off diseases.

Take Care 
Reid



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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[FEDTOLEDO]

Hi,
I have Sang Whang's book called "Reverse Aging" that discusses ph levels. 
He believes many diseases start or are caused by the acidic levels of our
body ph produced from our diets.To be brief, he suggests " drinking 5
glasses of 10 ph water daily will graduallly lower the bodies acidity and
enable the body to dispose of all the waste products produced daily and
then some.  Drinking inonized alkaline water is much better than taking
alkalline mineral tablets such as calcuim tablets." 

Sounds like the water you are getting would meet his approval with a ph of
9-10!
Diana  


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> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Alkaline water Device
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:00 AM
> 
> In a message dated 99-07-11 02:29:23 EDT, you write:
> 
> > Hey,
> >  That sounds like a great price!!  I have followed different threads
about
> >  this subject and it seems it is quite a good thing to do.  Someone
recently
> >  explained the principle of just how it worked and that was very
> >  interesting.  However, I think I looked in on a site and the price was
> >  exorbitant, and I believe that this product was made in China.  So,
let me
> >  know what you find out.  I don't have many resources up here.  Wonder
if
> >  they ship these out?  Have you actually seen one to see the quality
and
> >  such as that.
> >  
> >  I'm interested for one.  Thanks for the info!
> >  Susan
> 
> Hi Susan,
> 
> He had two at the store, collecting dust.  I didn't pull the one out
of 
> the box, but saw the top of it.  The instructions and explanations were
all 
> in Korean except for one brief overview in English.  I can ask if he will

> ship one.  Overall, it looked like a nice double-barrelled coffee maker. 
I 
> *thought* that sounded like a good price.  Admittedly, I didn't pay much 
> attention to the discussion of ionized water when it was going on a few
weeks 
> back.  I'll be down his way this Wednesday or the next Wednesday.  I'll 
> inquire about the shipping  -- to see if it's a possibility.  :)
> Samm
> 
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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Charles Marcus]

> In a message dated 7/11/99 9:32:32 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> cmar...@avana.net writes:
>
>> << Paul Bragg proved just how big a fallacy this is.
>>
>>  He challenged a few Special Forces guys (He was well
>>  over 60 at the time, I believe) to a forced march kind
>>  of competition in the desert (forget which one - was it
>>  Death Valley?), they with their salt tablets, and he
>>  with his fresh celery juice (high in organic SODIUM).
>>  Needless to say, they were soon done in while he just
>>  kept going, and going, and going, and going...
>>
>>  Sodium Chloride is NOT a chemical you should put in
>>  your body.
>
>  --
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>  Charles Marcus
>
>
> If any have read DR. Norman Walkers books on health,  he says
> the same thing, celery juice for heat.  He died of natural
> causes at about 116 I think.  Wrote his last book not too
> long before his passing and most important of all, lived what
> he taught.
> edith ps did all of this after he was told he had
> a terminal illnessovercame it naturally

Actually, I believe he was 109 when he died...which is
still amazing, considering how healthy and active he
was, and what a testament to the raw food diet and
fresh raw juice regimen to beat disease and attain
perfect health. You are right, he did NOT live this way
his ENTIRE life, it was only after learning he some
serious health problems due to stress, overwork, etc
that he began the lifestyle that allowed him to achieve
this such an incredible age for someone in this day and
age.

He also invented the cadillac of juicers - the NorWalk
(hmnmmm, wonder how he came up with THAT name?  ;-)

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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[FEDTOLEDO]

Hi Vilik,
Norman Walker, author of "Fresh Vegatables and Fruit Juices" swears by a
glass or two a day of fresh celery juice.  He tells a story of living in
the hot Arizona climate, and he and his wife always felt comfortable while
his friends were miserable in the heat. Would be worth a try if you
have a juicer.   

Sweating in San Jose,
Diana

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> From: Vilik Rapheles 
> 
>I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick
> fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides
lemons? 
> 
>Please...I am drooping badly
> 
> V
>  i
>   l
>i
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> 
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[Vilik Rapheles]

 He [Paul Bragg] died of natural causes at about 116 I think.  
~~
And I should take the word of somebody who only lived to 116? 

Gonna try that celery juice today

Oh...anybody familiar with yerba mate? Drunk in south america...helps the
body deal with heat. Absolutely true, I drank it all one summer. In SA the
gov subsidizies its use for young children because it contains so many
nutrients. Contains a kind of caffeine called matteine, I believe...not so
strong. However, I built up an intolerence to it. It also did something
strange to my endocrine system. But I was drinking tons of it. 

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In a message dated 7/11/99 9:32:32 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cmar...@avana.net writes:

<< Paul Bragg proved just how big a fallacy this is.
 
 He challenged a few Special Forces guys (He was well
 over 60 at the time, I believe) to a forced march kind
 of competition in the desert (forget which one - was it
 Death Valley?), they with their salt tablets, and he
 with his fresh celery juice (high in organic SODIUM).
 Needless to say, they were soon done in while he just
 kept going, and going, and going, and going...
 
 Sodium Chloride is NOT a chemical you should put in
 your body.
 
 --
 
 Charles Marcus
 
 
 If any have read DR. Norman Walkers books on health,  he says the same 
thing, celery juice for heat.  He died of natural causes at about 116 I 
think.  Wrote his last book not too long before his passing and most impotant 
of all, lived what he taught.
edith
ps did all of this after he was told he had a terminal illnessovercame it 
naturally 


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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Charles Marcus]

> Hi Cybersilversippers...
> 
>I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody
> got a quick
> fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas
> besides lemons?
>
>Please...I am drooping badly
>
> V
>  i
>   l
>i
> k

According to Paul Bragg, there is nothing like fresh
celery juice for heat related problems (including 'salt
depletion', as it is loaded with organic sodium).

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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Dennis Lipter]

This alkaline water business sounds interesting. I wonder if Brooks Bradley has
any pearls of wisdom on the subject?

Dennis Lipter

"Susan M. Yensen" wrote:

> At 04:00 AM 7/11/99 EDT, you wrote:
>
> Thanks Samm!!  I'll be around here.  Just let me know.  Pleeease look to
> see if it is tin or stainless or something that is safe VS something that
> might leach out something that isn't good  Thanks again.
>
> Susan
>
> >He had two at the store, collecting dust.  I didn't pull the one out of
> >the box, but saw the top of it.  The instructions and explanations were all
> >in Korean except for one brief overview in English.  I can ask if he will
> >ship one.  Overall, it looked like a nice double-barrelled coffee maker.  I
> >*thought* that sounded like a good price.  Admittedly, I didn't pay much
> >attention to the discussion of ionized water when it was going on a few
> weeks
> >back.  I'll be down his way this Wednesday or the next Wednesday.  I'll
> >inquire about the shipping  -- to see if it's a possibility.  :)
> >Samm
> >
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Susan M. Yensen]

At 04:00 AM 7/11/99 EDT, you wrote:

Thanks Samm!!  I'll be around here.  Just let me know.  Pleeease look to
see if it is tin or stainless or something that is safe VS something that
might leach out something that isn't good  Thanks again.

Susan

>He had two at the store, collecting dust.  I didn't pull the one out of 
>the box, but saw the top of it.  The instructions and explanations were all 
>in Korean except for one brief overview in English.  I can ask if he will 
>ship one.  Overall, it looked like a nice double-barrelled coffee maker.  I 
>*thought* that sounded like a good price.  Admittedly, I didn't pay much 
>attention to the discussion of ionized water when it was going on a few
weeks 
>back.  I'll be down his way this Wednesday or the next Wednesday.  I'll 
>inquire about the shipping  -- to see if it's a possibility.  :)
>Samm
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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Jim]

SALT, the original mineral supplement.

I haven't seen anyone post how much additional salt was being ingested.  Lots of
salt in the summer is a must.  The same doctor that tells you not to eat silver
tells you not to eat salt.  Don't worry about taking in too much if you are in a
hot environment.  Put the salt shaker back on the table.

Jim



samma...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 99-07-10 22:59:41 EDT, you write:
>
> > I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick
> >  fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides
> lemons?
> >
> >
> > Please...I am drooping badly...
>
>   I am the same way this summer and I'm getting discouraged.  I've been
> overcome by heat twice already, with only above average exertion outdoors.  :(
> Samm
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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Sammark4]

In a message dated 99-07-11 02:29:23 EDT, you write:

> Hey,
>  That sounds like a great price!!  I have followed different threads about
>  this subject and it seems it is quite a good thing to do.  Someone recently
>  explained the principle of just how it worked and that was very
>  interesting.  However, I think I looked in on a site and the price was
>  exorbitant, and I believe that this product was made in China.  So, let me
>  know what you find out.  I don't have many resources up here.  Wonder if
>  they ship these out?  Have you actually seen one to see the quality and
>  such as that.
>  
>  I'm interested for one.  Thanks for the info!
>  Susan

Hi Susan,

He had two at the store, collecting dust.  I didn't pull the one out of 
the box, but saw the top of it.  The instructions and explanations were all 
in Korean except for one brief overview in English.  I can ask if he will 
ship one.  Overall, it looked like a nice double-barrelled coffee maker.  I 
*thought* that sounded like a good price.  Admittedly, I didn't pay much 
attention to the discussion of ionized water when it was going on a few weeks 
back.  I'll be down his way this Wednesday or the next Wednesday.  I'll 
inquire about the shipping  -- to see if it's a possibility.  :)
Samm


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Re: CS>Alkaline water Device

[Susan M. Yensen]

At 02:08 AM 7/11/99 EDT, you wrote:
Hey,
That sounds like a great price!!  I have followed different threads about
this subject and it seems it is quite a good thing to do.  Someone recently
explained the principle of just how it worked and that was very
interesting.  However, I think I looked in on a site and the price was
exorbitant, and I believe that this product was made in China.  So, let me
know what you find out.  I don't have many resources up here.  Wonder if
they ship these out?  Have you actually seen one to see the quality and
such as that.

I'm interested for one.  Thanks for the info!
Susan
>
>> Drinking Alkaline water to remove acid wastes (including uric acid)
>>  will dissolve some of the calcium phosphate deposits and allow the
>>  ionic calcium to be reabsorbed into the bones, potassium bicarbonate
>>  will also do this work.
>>  
>
>I found a water ionizer at a Korean Food Store for $59.  The box says one 
>side of the machine (which looks somewhat like a coffee maker) makes acidic 
>water and the other makes alkaline.  Would this be a good thing to have?  
>Sound like a good price?  I can research this, I just thought I'd ask here 
>first.  Thanks.
>Samm
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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Sammark4]

In a message dated 99-07-10 22:59:41 EDT, you write:

> I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick
>  fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides 
lemons?
>  
>  
> Please...I am drooping badly...

  I am the same way this summer and I'm getting discouraged.  I've been 
overcome by heat twice already, with only above average exertion outdoors.  :(
Samm


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Re: CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Jason Ringas]

Vilik Rapheles wrote:
> 
> Hi Cybersilversippers...
> 
>I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick
> fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides lemons?
> 
>Please...I am drooping badly
> 



Drink celery juice.

Regards,


Jason


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CS>Alkaline quick fix...

[Vilik Rapheles]

Hi Cybersilversippers...

   I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick
fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides lemons? 

   Please...I am drooping badly

V
 i
  l
   i
k


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