Re: CS and the meat you eat
Excuse the priority but since this has become a drawn out thread, I wanted to draw your attention to this. Harv At 04:15 PM 7/27/00 +0930, you wrote: I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised too. I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! Judith. It seems to me that a CS water bath would only kill germs on the exterior portion of the meat. If the meat is truly diseased the bath would leave the interior meat untouched. One way I can think of to remedy this problem would be with a Tilia Food Saver vacuum sealer. One of the optional accessaries is a large acrylic canister with a special lid that you hook a piece of tubing to and then to the sealer itself. Slice open the meaty portions of the chicken or whatever kind of meat, place in the canister and cover with your CS solution. Place the lid on the canister, apply the vacuum and release the vacuum three or four times.The vacuum opens up the inner pores of the meat and releasing the vacuum causes the meat to suck in the CS solution. This is the same technique recommended for speed marinating meat. Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Ok you kids - this is Grandma speaking! Stop upsetting Frances! I've sent the answer, Frances. My beautiful new granddaughter Emily Mae, 1 weeks and two days old slept in my arms for an hour yesterday while I visited. Then I passed her back to my son. "Hang on, house rules here! Whoever is holding the baby when...changes her!" It didn't work. ;) - I just said "Father's privilege!" Judith. > Judith, how long do you soak your meat? Thanks. These guys are making > fun of my response, but I still haven't gotten an answer. Thanks. :) > > Judith Thamm wrote: > > > > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > > too. > > > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > > Judith. > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I put the meat in the CS/water first, turn on the oven or the gas under a pan and , pat the meat dry then put the meat straight in. How long did that take? A minute at most. I'm usually hurrying to create a smell that might indicate a meal has been started - [Here's a hint: a tiny piece of onion in a heating oiled pan gives you lots of time to get started on a meal - the onion creates a deceptive aromahusband psychology! ;)] Judith. >Frances Mehner asked > how long do you soak the meat? > > Judith Thamm wrote: > > > > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > > too. > > > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > > Judith. > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS and the meat you eat
From: "Judith Thamm" > No as cooking does not kill all the viruses and bacteria carried on > chicken - even when it is thoroughly cooked. Often there is faecal > contamination, gut contamination and human contamination. Chicken is > too often a CS emergency dosage not to bathe first rather than dose > later. > Judith. > True, there are some endospores that are heat resistant, but then CS is unlikely to affect them. Some bacterial toxins are heat resistant, I'm not sure that CS will render them safe. If the meat is not cooked through then CS is probably not going to be effective either as it will not penetrate into the body of the meat. It could be that some people might develop a false sense of security in soaking meat in CS. If the meat is not safe to eat after cooking only, then it is probably not safe to eat after a CS soak and cooking. However there is a place for CS in preserving cooked and uncooked food. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I just dip it in and out and swish it all about! Especially the inside bits. Judith. > Frances Mehner wrote: > > > how long do you soak the meat? > > I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. > > Marshall > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS and the meat you eat
No as cooking does not kill all the viruses and bacteria carried on chicken - even when it is thoroughly cooked. Often there is faecal contamination, gut contamination and human contamination. Chicken is too often a CS emergency dosage not to bathe first rather than dose later. Judith. > I can understand the emotional appeal to soak meat in CS and it may > prolong it use by date... but if you actually cook it isn't this a bit > redundant? > > Ivan. > > > > > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > > too. > > > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > > Judith. > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS and the meat you eat
If if just use bare wires on the end of an extension cord plugged into opposite ends of the chicken [or whatever] not only will it electrocute the worms but it'll do a nice job of cooking the chicken. BTW, don't pick it up until you unplug it, that is, if you don't care for dancing wildly. From the road kill cookbook? Ken At 08:25 PM 7/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills >>worms. >> Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a good zap. That should do. >>"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: > >>> Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the >>>secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we >>>were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. >>>Cooked food is toxic. >>> >>> I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, >>>and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel >>>movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw >>>hamburger, *soak it in CS*. >> > > >>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills >>worms. >> >>Marshall >> > > > >Hi Marshal; > >I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up. > > >trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. > >A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains >trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the >muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and >edema of the face. >--- > >I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as >a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef. > >Phil Sr. > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
To kill all living things, Dr. Clark says you must equal the temp. a hospital does to sterilize their equipment. So don't even try, as you can't get there. She is now saying to cook it twice with a cool down in between. I have a small Christmas tree farm and also make and sell wreaths. The one problem with them is if I grow a tree bushy so you can't see the trunk, the inside of the tree gets moldy. Making wreaths if I stack one wreath on top of another, the bottom wreaths get moldy. Maybe I will try a Cs dip for the wreaths anyway. I sprayed my peach trees and cherry trees with 1 T Cs in about a quart spray bottle like 409 comes in. The cherry tree has new leaves that are way bigger than the old ones and the peach trees are looking better. I now brought out my 4 gallon sprayer and will try 4 ounces Cs in it for more fruit trees and maybe some moldy grand fir trees. Bob - I added another 82 ohm resistor to the 13.5/30 VDC power supply and have another batch cooking. This makes a total of 164 ohms added. Do you think that is enough resistance? Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Judith, how long do you soak your meat? Thanks. These guys are making fun of my response, but I still haven't gotten an answer. Thanks. :) Judith Thamm wrote: > > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > too. > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > Judith. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Pamela Grant wrote: > >>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills > >>worms. > >> > > Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a > good zap. That should do. Your right. People use the same technique to drive worms out of the ground for fishing, might work on meat too. :> Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
>>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills >>worms. >> Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a good zap. That should do. >>"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: > >>> Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the >>>secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we >>>were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. >>>Cooked food is toxic. >>> >>> I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, >>>and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel >>>movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw >>>hamburger, *soak it in CS*. >> > > >>My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills >>worms. >> >>Marshall >> > > > >Hi Marshal; > >I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up. > > >trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. > >A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains >trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the >muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and >edema of the face. >--- > >I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as >a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef. > >Phil Sr. > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Not for those who like it very rare >I can understand the emotional appeal to soak meat in CS and it may >prolong it use by date... but if you actually cook it isn't this a bit >redundant? > >Ivan. > >- Original Message - >From: "Judith Thamm" >To: >Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2000 18:45 >Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat > > >> I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have >> never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. >> >> I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a >> time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and >> almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised >> too. >> >> I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! >> Judith. >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >>
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I'm TELLING! You're gonna get YELLED at MIKE! Chuck As long as we're going insane, we might as well go the whole way. A mere shred of sanity is of no value. On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:05:18 -0600, "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: >That must have been a typo. You surely meant "...10 inch pole". > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com >FTNWO -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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That must have been a typo. You surely meant "...10 inch pole". James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat Frances Mehner wrote: > how long do you soak the meat? I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS and the meat you eat
Got the pix in a later post; thanks.
Kinda grossly not-real, isn't it?
James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com
FTNWO
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat
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rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST, a...@trail.com writes:
>
> << Subj: RE: CS and the meat you eat
> Date: 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST
> From: a...@trail.com (James Osbourne, Holmes)
> Reply-to: a...@trail.com (a...@trail.com)
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com ('silver-list@eskimo.com')
>
> While the moon mission may not have been faked, careful analysis of some of
> the photographs of some of the missions presents powerful evidence that
> they were faked.
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
> FTNWO >>
>
> I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more than it
> did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger
I don't undertand the question. Are you saying that it showed 1/6 the weight on
a scale when on the moon? If so then the scale could easily have a spring in it
6 times as strong.
I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but
some
of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on
this:
[Image]
Marshall
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RE: CS and the meat you eat
In place of the image was [image]. Please try again, I would like to see which one of the many faked flicks you are discussing. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS and the meat you eat In a message dated 7/27/00 11:21:07 AM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more than it > did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger I don't undertand the question. Are you saying that it showed 1/6 the weight on a scale when on the moon? If so then the scale could easily have a spring in it 6 times as strong. I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on this: [Image] Marshall >> Marshall: That question was my lame attempt at a joke. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: > >My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills > >worms. > > > >Marshall > > > > Hi Marshal; > > I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up. > > > trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. > > A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains > trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the > muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and > edema of the face. You are correct that it is normally only a problem in pork. However the problem is that a grocery store butcher will often grind pork, then grind beef without properly cleaning the machine. The same can apply to the tools and table they use. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
- Original Message - From: "Philip I. Marie Sr." To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat > Hi Marshal; > > I always thought it [TRICHINOSIS] was limited to pork but looked it up. > > > trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. > > A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains > trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the > muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and > edema of the face. > --- > > I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as > a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef. > > Phil Sr. Hey Folks: Guess what -- raw meat contains enzymes! Presumably, the benefits of enzymes, along with a generally healthy diet, would help the body fight the parasites. Just another way of looking at it. Many people around the world eat raw meat. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
>"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: >> Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the >>secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we >>were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. >>Cooked food is toxic. >> >> I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, >>and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel >>movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw >>hamburger, *soak it in CS*. > >My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills worms. > >Marshall > Hi Marshal; I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up. trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and edema of the face. --- I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef. Phil Sr. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I don't believe so. I have had to work with drawing perspective for about 3 decades as an engineer. Basically if you want to find the source of light you connect the tip of the shadow to the top of the object with a straight line on two objects, and where they cross is the perspective location of the source. The shape or slope of what the shadow falls on is irrelevent, all it can do is move the point up and down the straight line, the line will remain in the same place. If we do this the lines cross somewhere underground, an impossibility for one light source, the sun should be up, not down. Thus either there are multiple light sources, or two images have been blue screened together or otherwise altered. However, I agree with the moderator, that this discussion is not relavent to CS and should be dropped. Marshall "Robert L. Berger" wrote: > Marshall; > > That photo is not faked. Your knowledge of drawing perspective is > lousy. A careful look and they are not on flat ground. > > There are two different slopes which changes the angle of the shadow. > > >> >> I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were >> faked, but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do >> you explain the shadows on this:"Ole Bob" Says BALONEY. >> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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> > Frances Mehner wrote: > > > how long do you soak the meat? > > I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. > > Marshall > Not even a 6-foot Hungarian? Sam Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS and the meat you eat
Marshall,
Do you know where we can access a higher-resolution version of that image?
Sam
> rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST, a...@trail.com writes:
> >
> > << Subj: RE: CS and the meat you eat
> > Date: 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST
> > From: a...@trail.com (James Osbourne, Holmes)
> > Reply-to: a...@trail.com (a...@trail.com)
> > To:silver-list@eskimo.com ('silver-list@eskimo.com')
> >
> > While the moon mission may not have been faked, careful analysis of some of
> > the photographs of some of the missions presents powerful evidence that
> > they were faked.
> >
> > James Osbourne Holmes
> > a...@trail.com
> > FTNWO >>
> >
> > I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more than
> > it
> > did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger
>
> I don't undertand the question. Are you saying that it showed 1/6 the weight
> on
> a scale when on the moon? If so then the scale could easily have a spring in
> it
> 6 times as strong.
>
> I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but
> some
> of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on
> this:
>
> [Image]
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS and the meat you eat
Marshall; That photo is not faked. Your knowledge of drawing perspective is lousy. A careful look and they are not on flat ground. There are two different slopes which changes the angle of the shadow. I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on this: "Ole Bob" Says BALONEY. Marshall
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Marshall; That photo is not faked. Your knowledge of drawing perspective is lousy. A careful look and they are not on flat ground. There are two different slopes which changes the angle of the shadow. I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on this: "Ole Bob" Says BALONEY. Marshall
Re: CS and the meat you eat
In a message dated 7/27/00 11:21:07 AM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more than it > did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger I don't undertand the question. Are you saying that it showed 1/6 the weight on a scale when on the moon? If so then the scale could easily have a spring in it 6 times as strong. I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked, but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain the shadows on this: [Image] Marshall >> Marshall: That question was my lame attempt at a joke. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Frances Mehner wrote: > how long do you soak the meat? I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot pole. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST, a...@trail.com
writes:
<< Subj: RE: CS and the meat you eat
Date: 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST
From: a...@trail.com (James Osbourne, Holmes)
Reply-to: a...@trail.com (a...@trail.com)
To: silver-list@eskimo.com ('silver-list@eskimo.com')
While the moon mission may not have been faked, careful analysis
of some of
the photographs of some of the missions presents powerful evidence
that
they were faked.
James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com
FTNWO >>
I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more
than it
did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger
I don't undertand the question. Are you saying that it showed 1/6
the weight on a scale when on the moon? If so then the scale could
easily have a spring in it 6 times as strong.
I agree with James, I don't know if the mission, or missions were faked,
but some of the photos were definitely faked. Like how do you explain
the shadows on this:
Marshall
Re: CS and the meat you eat
In a message dated 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST, a...@trail.com writes:
<< Subj: RE: CS and the meat you eat
Date: 7/27/00 10:20:56 AM EST
From: a...@trail.com (James Osbourne, Holmes)
Reply-to: a...@trail.com (a...@trail.com)
To:silver-list@eskimo.com ('silver-list@eskimo.com')
While the moon mission may not have been faked, careful analysis of some of
the photographs of some of the missions presents powerful evidence that
they were faked.
James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com
FTNWO >>
I saw some moonrock at the Smithsonian Institute that weighed 6X more than it
did on the moon. So tell me how can they fake THAT? Roger
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RE: CS and the meat you eat
While the moon mission may not have been faked, careful analysis of some of the photographs of some of the missions presents powerful evidence that they were faked. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Arnold Beland [SMTP:ac...@brookings.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:57 PM To: dtmil...@midiowa.net; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS and the meat you eat I would not call Wayne Green "interesting" so much as demented. He firmly espouses that the Apollo missions were faked. Arnold Beland -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
how long do you soak the meat? Judith Thamm wrote: > > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > too. > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > Judith. > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Hi ya'all, In 348 BC a Greek sage said, " a man will believe what he wants to believe." If you don't believe the space station is real just find a good telescope and look at it!! "nuff said." "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I can understand the emotional appeal to soak meat in CS and it may prolong it use by date... but if you actually cook it isn't this a bit redundant? Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Judith Thamm" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2000 18:45 Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat > I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have > never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. > > I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a > time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and > almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised > too. > > I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! > Judith. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I soak any 'out of use by date" meat in CS - highly diluted and have never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised too. I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I ran across that same contention just a couple of days ago myself. I do know that the early Russian humans in space films were faked. I knew it from the first day I saw them, since I knew that one cannot have bubbles in space, reversing of direction by simply moving the arms, and there is so much UV in space that the crystal clear visors in the spacesuits would have meant horrible sunburn in a matter of seconds. All these impossibilities were easily seen in the early films they produced. A good movie is "Capricorn One", in which the walk on the moon is faked. Marshall Arnold Beland wrote: > I would not call Wayne Green "interesting" so much as demented. He firmly > espouses that the Apollo missions were faked. > > Arnold Beland > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
I would not call Wayne Green "interesting" so much as demented. He firmly espouses that the Apollo missions were faked. Arnold Beland -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:29:25 -0500, "Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: >Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the >secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, >we were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to >handle. Cooked food is toxic. Wayne's an interesting guy. :) I've known of him since the 50's, and visited him several times when I lived in New England. However, not all of his ideas agree with known facts (and I mean facts, no scientific opinion). For example, human beings have eaten cooked meat for hundreds of thousands of years -- almost as long as we've been a species. Our food consisted mainly of meat/fish, usually cooked, with some berries, other fruits and root vegetables thrown in. Grains -- the main staple for most of the world these days -- was not eaten by our distant ancestors. Only over the last 10,000 years or so have we had grains, fruit trees as we know them, and other vegetables. (How they popped into existence within the last 10,000 years is open to LOTS of debate.) IOW, there's no evidence for almost all of our current foods prior to 10,000 years ago. What this means, assuming you accept evolution as being valid, is that our bodies have evolved over a few million years to the cooked meat and potatoes (with berries) diet. Other foods could possibly be less efficient in providing nutrients our bodies need. They could even interfere with good nutrient processing. (BTW, I had a radical shift in point of view after I figured this out. I was a "mostly vegetarian" prior to looking into the matter of human nutrition from an evolutionary perspective.) >I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, >and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, >bowel movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of >raw hamburger, *soak it in CS*. Yup. But you can cook it. Fire was discovered millions of years ago. :) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
"Philip I. Marie Sr." wrote: Hi All; > > Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the secrets to > good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we were evolved on > raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. Cooked food is toxic. > > I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, and > how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel > movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw > hamburger, *soak it in CS*. My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills worms. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
Pamela Grant wrote; >Does anyone soak store-bought meat in CS? This idea I got after reading the >following: > > >To: list >Subject: Tumor Meat > >>>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<< > > >TUMOR MEAT > >Meat from diseased animals approved for consumers Hi All; Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by "Wayne Green" on the secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. Cooked food is toxic. I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw hamburger, *soak it in CS*. Great read and only $5.00 __ Wayne Green, Box 416, Hancock NH 03449 Phone orders: 603-525-4747 - Fax orders: 603-588-3205 -MC/Visa ___ A long time ago, I believe it was Carlton Fredricks, talked of sinkers and floaters. Simple, if your stool floats, your diet is good. Phil Sr. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and the meat you eat
- Original Message - From: "Pamela Grant" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: CS and the meat you eat > Does anyone soak store-bought meat in CS? This idea I got after reading the > following: > > TUMOR MEAT > > Meat from diseased animals approved for consumers > By LANCE GAY > Scripps Howard News Service > July 14, 2000 > > WASHINGTON - The federal agency overseeing food inspection > is imposing new rules reclassifying as safe for human consumption > animal carcasses with cancers, tumors and open sores. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. I sometimes use food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. It works well provided the contamination stays on the surface of the meat (that is, you can't do this with ground beef, for instance). I imagine silver would work too -- and with the two items together, why you have an unbeatable combination. NIna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS and the meat you eat
Does anyone soak store-bought meat in CS? This idea I got after reading the following: To: list Subject: Tumor Meat >>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<<>>øXø<< TUMOR MEAT Meat from diseased animals approved for consumers By LANCE GAY Scripps Howard News Service July 14, 2000 WASHINGTON - The federal agency overseeing food inspection is imposing new rules reclassifying as safe for human consumption animal carcasses with cancers, tumors and open sores. Federal meat inspectors and consumer groups are protesting the move to classify tumors and open sores as aesthetic problems, which permits the meat to get the government's purple seal of approval as a wholesome food product. "I don't want to eat pus from a chicken that has pneumonia. I think it's gross," said Wenonah Hauter, director of Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project. "Most Americans don't want to eat this sort of contamination in their meals." Delmer Jones, a federal food inspector for 41 years who lives in Renlap, Ala., said he's so revolted by the lowering of food wholesomeness standards that he doesn't buy meat at the supermarket anymore because he doesn't trust that it is safe to eat. "I eat very little to no meat, but sardines and fish," said Jones, president of the National Joint Council of Meat Inspection Locals, a union of 7,000 meat inspectors nationwide affiliated with the American Federation of Government Employees. He said he's trying to get his wife to stop eating meat. "I've told her what she's eating." The union is battling related Agriculture Department plans to rely on scientific testing of samples of butchered meats to determine the wholesomeness of meat, rather than traditional item-by-item scrutiny by federal inspectors. A 1959 federal law requires inspectors from the Agriculture Department's Food Inspection and Safety System to inspect all slaughtered animals before they can be sold for human consumption. The Agriculture Department began implementing the new policy as part of a pilot project in 24 slaughter houses last October, and plans to expand the system nationwide covering poultry, beef and pork. The agency this month extended until Aug. 29 the time for the public to comment on the regulations, and won't issue final rules until after the comments are received. In 1998, the inspections and safety system reclassified an array of animal diseases as being "defects that rarely or never present a direct public health risk" and said "unaffected carcass portions" could be passed on to consumers by cutting out lesions. Among animal diseases the agency said don't present a health danger are: - Cancer; - A pneumonia of poultry called airsacculitis; - Glandular swellings or lymphomas; - Sores; - Infectious arthritis; - Diseases caused by intestinal worms. In the case of tumors, the guidelines state: "remove localized lesion(s) and pass unaffected carcass portions." "They just cut off the areas,'' said Carol Blake, spokeswoman for the Agriculture Department's inspection and safety system. But Jones and consumer groups say production lines are moving so fast that they can't catch all the diseased carcasses, and some are ending up on supermarket shelves. "When I started inspecting, inspectors were looking at 13 birds a minute, then 40, and now it's 91 birds a minute with three inspectors. You cannot do your job with 91 birds a minute," Jones said. The Agriculture Department is also experimenting with proposed rules that would require federal food inspectors to monitor what the plant employees are doing, rather than inspecting each carcass individually. They are aimed at bringing a new scientific approach to federal meat inspection to cut down on E. coli bacteria and other contamination. The inspection and safety agency says a survey of pilot plants using the new system concluded that less than 1 percent of the poultry examined at the end of the production line and released for public consumption was unwholesome. At a public hearing on the findings this year, Karen Henderson of Agriculture's division of field operations admitted that defective carcasses are being approved for human use under the pilot program. "Absolutely. There's no system that we are aware of that is capable of removing every defect from the process," she said. Felicia Nestor, director of the Government Accountability Project, a Washington watchdog group, said the pilot project found chickens with higher levels of fecal and other contamination than in traditional methods of inspecting. "A lot of diseased animals are going out," she said. A. Raymond Randolph, a federal appeals court judge, this month said federal food safety laws require meat and poultry inspectors to examine every carcass that moves through slaughterhouses and processing plants. "The laws clearly contemplate that when inspections are done, it will be federal inspectors, rather than private employees, who will make the critical
