Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating
Malcolm, Keep coming back...it works if you work it! Scott With God, all things are possible. - Mark 10:27 --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: From: Malcolm s...@asis.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 8:48 PM Hi Faith, for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as non-flush niacin. Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:00 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: One has to be careful of the 'flush'. Not everyone can take niacin. Faith g. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Malcolm. I am leery of niacin for reasons other than just flushing. I would check with my doctor before taking it. One needs a knowledgable well-rounded doctor. FYI: Adverse Niacin Side Effects Some of the niacin side affects reported most especially for non-flush products and high doses (higher than the threshold amount) of the vitamin include gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting, nausea, flatulence, bloating and diarrhea as well as sudden decrease in blood pressure. Other (Rare) Side Effects of Niacin There are isolated cases where other niacin side effects occur. These rare side effects range from simple dryness and scaliness of the skin, excessive pigmentation, to liver disorder, blurred vision, activation of the peptic ulcer, and jaundice. Hi Faith, for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as non-flush niacin. Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles. Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks, Malcolm. Years ago I tried niacin and experienced a good deal of physical discomfort, so I will probably try a small amount of niacinamide and see what happens. Cheers, indi On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:48:34 -0700 Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Hi Faith, for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as non-flush niacin. Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:00 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: One has to be careful of the 'flush'. Not everyone can take niacin. Faith g. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Faith, thanks for that, but Durn! is nothing truly safe? grin, as Mike says I do think people vary a great deal in their reactions to this -n- that, which is why medicine and big pharma love the sledgehammer approach VE haff vays to Make you happy ummm, . . . take care, M. On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:15 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: Hi Malcolm. I am leery of niacin for reasons other than just flushing. I would check with my doctor before taking it. One needs a knowledgable well-rounded doctor. FYI: Adverse Niacin Side Effects Some of the niacin side affects reported most especially for non-flush products and high doses (higher than the threshold amount) of the vitamin include gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting, nausea, flatulence, bloating and diarrhea as well as sudden decrease in blood pressure. Other (Rare) Side Effects of Niacin There are isolated cases where other niacin side effects occur. These rare side effects range from simple dryness and scaliness of the skin, excessive pigmentation, to liver disorder, blurred vision, activation of the peptic ulcer, and jaundice. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Niacin needs to be started with a low dose and acclimated to as you increase dosage. An example woud be 50mg to start and build up to a couple of grams. It was a college prank to give someone a relatively stiff dose for the reaction. You will actually think you're going to die. For cryin' out loud, start your experiments with a little research and caution. Chuck Warranty and guarantee clauses are voided by payment of the invoice On 10/24/2008 11:42:53 AM, indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: Thanks, Malcolm. Years ago I tried niacin and experienced a good deal of physical discomfort, so I will probably try a small amount of niacinamide and see what happens. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:11:21 -0400 cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: For cryin' out loud, start your experiments with a little research and caution. I have no plan to do otherwise. As I said originally, *years* ago, I had an uncomfortable experience. It wouldn't go that way today. But I appreciate the concern. :) Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Everyone, I found a book at the Half-Price book store, called, ALL ABOUT RADATION, which had a gread deal of data about niacin. According to the book, the flush you get from the niacin is from the amount of radation your body has absorbed. The best way to take niacin is to start off with low doses and stay with that dose until you stop flushing. Then once you have stopped flushing at that dosage, you take a higher dose start i.e. 50mgs then up it to 100mg an stay with that until you stop flushing then up the dose, and so on and so on untill you have gotten to 1000mgs of niacin. Then you come down in doses just as you went up. Then take 100mg as a daily dose thereafter. I have tried this myself and it worked for me. Hugs, Gerrie Brooks Bradley recently posted a CS/DMSO/Glycerin recipe effective against MRSA which should work on the cellulitis. Circulation can be much improved using large doses of Niacin, which is relatively inexpensive. Recently, Dave posted about this and his success using Niacin for improving circulation. Thank you Dan, I will have to look into that. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:25:18 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, indi wrote: I time mine manually (and stir it manually) as well. 14 gauge . silver wire electrodes, and a ventec neon sign power transformer, which is plugged into a 3 amp variac (I prefer to crank up the voltage slowly just in case anything goes wrong). I do check it often of course, and shut it down if it gets too hot or if I see too much condensation forming. I have to periodically adjust the position of the upper electrode, to avoid arcing. The lower electrode is 4 feet of the same silver wire coiled in the bottom of the jar. It's all laughably crude, but I do get a brew that is working for me in spite of that. So far I do not have to clean my electrodes at all, which I think may be a good sign that I am avoiding any arcing or corona discharge. Cheers, indi How long does it take to do the whole 2 gallons? I am assuming you do a big batch, with 4 ft of wire coiled. Still experimenting with that. I initially followed the two sessions of three hours on, three off directions I'd read, but was unsatisfied and so began experimenting. It seems seven to eight hours straight on works with the two gallon batch. My most recent batch seems weak, which surprised me because I left it on for seven to eight hours at a time over three days. But I'm pretty sure there is a point of diminishing returns, and more will not equal stronger. My highly unscientific periodic taste test seemed to indicate that the brew passed its peak and actually got weaker sometime during the second day. So I'm back to a seven to eight hours brew time for two gallons. I will start a new one tomorrow, but plan to do just one gallon at a time for a change. My back is giving me trouble, so I'm not going to try hoisting two gallons at this time -- have to be able to chop and carry firewood (among other chores), so I need to be careful. In case you were wondering why I make so much, I use it topically quite a bit (CS compresses stop the painful cellulitis I get in my ankle and lower leg) and also share it with three other people -- one of whom has a problem with a recurring urinary tract infection that seems to be vanquished by using the brew (more anecdotal evidence). It stopped my dog's eye infection, too (I didn't put it in his eye though, just had him drink some). Next year I want to brew enough to use in my gardens. And about what do think the final PPM ends up being? I have absolutely no idea. I am using 10 gauge wire, I start fresh each time, and it takes about 5 hours to get a quart of around 10 ppm. I keep the amps low with the pot. to keep the process slow and constant. It is slow anyway, so with the current controlled I don't have to worry about walking away and returning to mud(or silver sludge). I have never seen it go to sludge. I have read that LVDC yields a lot more sediment, though. I get no visible sediment in mine so far. That is the beauty of all this, even with crude simple stuff, it still works. It's pretty fascinating, that's for sure. Without the unique set of circumstances which compelled me to try this, I'd have never believed it. In fact, when I first read of it, I though everyone doing this was stark raving mad. Now either I know better, or I've tapped into the power of insanity myself. :D Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating
I will start a new one tomorrow, but plan to do just one gallon at a time for a change. My back is giving me trouble, so I'm not going to try hoisting two gallons at this time -- have to be able to chop and carry firewood (among other chores), so I need to be careful. In case you were wondering why I make so much, I use it topically quite a bit (CS compresses stop the painful cellulitis I get in my ankle and lower leg) and also share it with three other people -- one of whom has a problem with a recurring urinary tract infection that seems to be vanquished by using the brew (more anecdotal evidence). It stopped my dog's eye infection, too (I didn't put it in his eye though, just had him drink some). Next year I want to brew enough to use in my gardens. Dear Indi: I am fascinated that you use CS to stop the pain of cellulitis because I actually did not know that cellulitis hurts. Do you have any idea why the urinary tract infection recurs? Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:59:36 -0400 Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Dear Indi: I am fascinated that you use CS to stop the pain of cellulitis because I actually did not know that cellulitis hurts. Cellulitis is *very* painful (often people confuse it with cellulite, but it's a totally different thing). I nearly lost my leg to it before I started CS. In my case, it is caused by the MRSA and poor circulation. Do you have any idea why the urinary tract infection recurs? Faith G. She has had this problem for years, the doctors say she has a defect in her urethra which causes bacteria to accumulate and want to operate on it (the roto rooter procedure, as she calls it). Before the CS, she had to use antibiotics nearly every other month. She would rather not have any surgery. Unfortunately, she is not very good at regulating her diet or at using CS in small amounts regularly. She's the kind of person who takes it only when she has symptoms she cannot ignore. Also, she has a terrible habit of procrastinating using the bathroom. I have given up trying to advise her about these things, as she will just see it as nagging. But at least now she doesn't need the antibiotics anymore. People will do what people will do... Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Cellulitis is *very* painful (often people confuse it with cellulite, but it's a totally different thing). I nearly lost my leg to it before I started CS. In my case, it is caused by the MRSA and poor circulation. Do you have any idea why the urinary tract infection recurs? Faith G. She has had this problem for years, the doctors say she has a defect in her urethra which causes bacteria to accumulate and want to operate on it (the roto rooter procedure, as she calls it). Before the CS, she had to use antibiotics nearly every other month. She would rather not have any surgery. Unfortunately, she is not very good at regulating her diet or at using CS in small amounts regularly. She's the kind of person who takes it only when she has symptoms she cannot ignore. Also, she has a terrible habit of procrastinating using the bathroom. I have given up trying to advise her about these things, as she will just see it as nagging. But at least now she doesn't need the antibiotics anymore. People will do what people will do... Cheers, indi I am sorry to hear about the cellulitis. Yes, I was questioning cellulite because I had no idea. Re: urethra problem: I would probably agree to the surgery. Sounds like an end to the misery, plus I trust my doctor (s). I'm lucky. Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:00:03 -0400 Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: I am sorry to hear about the cellulitis. Yes, I was questioning cellulite because I had no idea. Thanks. It's a lot better than it was before CS, but it does still slow me down a bit. Time on my feet is still limited, but before CS I was pretty much bed-ridden for months at a time. I guess the circulatory issues are hereditary. I thought I'd avoid that by staying slim (my whole family has circulatory issues, and they're all quite large), but in spite of successfully avoiding obesity I still seem to share their other problems. In fact, I even have a leaky heart valve and a murmur now, just like my parents and grandparents had at my age. Seems we all get strong heads and weak cardio-vascular systems. Makes me kind of glad I didn't reproduce. Re: urethra problem: I would probably agree to the surgery. Sounds like an end to the misery, plus I trust my doctor (s). I'm lucky. Faith G. Well, I strongly suspect that if she would just drink enough water, go promptly to the bathroom when she should, maybe cut down on the white sugar and white flour, and use a small amount of CS semi-daily, she'd be fine. But since I never could get her to try, it's impossible to know for sure... Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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For years I had a click murmur which became very loud, and which was eventually corrected by surgery at Brigham and Women's in Boston. The surgery was a single by-pass plus an aortic valve replacement. For over a year after the surgery I thought my heart was jumping out of my chest because the new valve was so much stronger than my old one. It took some getting used to. Sorry about your cellulitis. Best wishes, Faith G. - Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:00:03 -0400 Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: I am sorry to hear about the cellulitis. Yes, I was questioning cellulite because I had no idea. Thanks. It's a lot better than it was before CS, but it does still slow me down a bit. Time on my feet is still limited, but before CS I was pretty much bed-ridden for months at a time. I guess the circulatory issues are hereditary. I thought I'd avoid that by staying slim (my whole family has circulatory issues, and they're all quite large), but in spite of successfully avoiding obesity I still seem to share their other problems. In fact, I even have a leaky heart valve and a murmur now, just like my parents and grandparents had at my age. Seems we all get strong heads and weak cardio-vascular systems. Makes me kind of glad I didn't reproduce. Re: urethra problem: I would probably agree to the surgery. Sounds like an end to the misery, plus I trust my doctor (s). I'm lucky. Faith G. Well, I strongly suspect that if she would just drink enough water, go promptly to the bathroom when she should, maybe cut down on the white sugar and white flour, and use a small amount of CS semi-daily, she'd be fine. But since I never could get her to try, it's impossible to know for sure... Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Brooks Bradley recently posted a CS/DMSO/Glycerin recipe effective against MRSA which should work on the cellulitis. Circulation can be much improved using large doses of Niacin, which is relatively inexpensive. Recently, Dave posted about this and his success using Niacin for improving circulation. Dan -Original Message- From: indi [mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:00:03 -0400 Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: I am sorry to hear about the cellulitis. Yes, I was questioning cellulite because I had no idea. Thanks. It's a lot better than it was before CS, but it does still slow me down a bit. Time on my feet is still limited, but before CS I was pretty much bed-ridden for months at a time. I guess the circulatory issues are hereditary. I thought I'd avoid that by staying slim (my whole family has circulatory issues, and they're all quite large), but in spite of successfully avoiding obesity I still seem to share their other problems. In fact, I even have a leaky heart valve and a murmur now, just like my parents and grandparents had at my age. Seems we all get strong heads and weak cardio-vascular systems. Makes me kind of glad I didn't reproduce. Re: urethra problem: I would probably agree to the surgery. Sounds like an end to the misery, plus I trust my doctor (s). I'm lucky. Faith G. Well, I strongly suspect that if she would just drink enough water, go promptly to the bathroom when she should, maybe cut down on the white sugar and white flour, and use a small amount of CS semi-daily, she'd be fine. But since I never could get her to try, it's impossible to know for sure... Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:07:13 -0500 Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com wrote: Brooks Bradley recently posted a CS/DMSO/Glycerin recipe effective against MRSA which should work on the cellulitis. Circulation can be much improved using large doses of Niacin, which is relatively inexpensive. Recently, Dave posted about this and his success using Niacin for improving circulation. Thank you Dan, I will have to look into that. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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One has to be careful of the 'flush'. Not everyone can take niacin. Faith g. - Original Message - From: indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:07:13 -0500 Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com wrote: Brooks Bradley recently posted a CS/DMSO/Glycerin recipe effective against MRSA which should work on the cellulitis. Circulation can be much improved using large doses of Niacin, which is relatively inexpensive. Recently, Dave posted about this and his success using Niacin for improving circulation. Thank you Dan, I will have to look into that. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Faith, for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as non-flush niacin. Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:00 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: One has to be careful of the 'flush'. Not everyone can take niacin. Faith g. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have definitely proved the one about leaching from the plastic Kathryn. If I buy new plastic (PET) bottles, I have to soak for three days at least in distilled water, otherwise, the CS goes yellow. After soaking I test the DW and it reads at least 025 whereas before I put it in the new bottle, it read 000. After such a 'seasoning,' the CS stays clear. Just my two pence worth. dee Clayton Family wrote: Perhaps I was. Are you also thinking of the possible volatiles coming from the plastic of the bottles, then; and you definitely said something about air- which is basically soup anyway, not easy to figure out what is there either. These sort of interactions (silver ions, volatiles and air) might be in the ppb or ppt, so not easy to pick out of the soup. There is probably equipment somewhere (I am thinking of the EPA) that can measure something like that. Our ability to measure tiny amounts has way outstripped our knowledge of how it interacts in the body in such small amounts. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am not ignoring your point. Degrees of accuracy in my experience, range from good enough to several decimal places in a calculation. It all depends on what one is interested in looking at. In school I had to write up error calculations that ranged several pages of math starting from my experiment, then doing the statistical analysis of the data, using the error ranges of the equipment used, etc. It can be a very precise and definite number, usually a range. The water we get here for laboratory use (in the USA) is pretty darn good, otherwise the labs would not be able to use it, their experiments would not work. This is not so true in other countries. Dee has found, for example, that the distilled water available to her is not the same quality. Ours is packaged in different bottles, for one. However, others more knowledgable than I am about HV have said that the high voltage process can introduce many other compounds into the solution, and requires more controls to circumvent that, like Marshall mentioned about the oxides of nitrogen (which convert to silver salts in the solution, which can turn one grey). So your concerns might be valid for that situation. I do only the low voltage ( I have gotten into enough trouble fooling around with low voltage electricity, though I do own a transformer, only 5000 volts). With the low voltage process, it does take a while to cook up a batch, but it is much easier for me to deal with. There is very little concern with the atmospheric gasses since the voltage potential is so low for the silver. And I am very aware of the problem of indoor pollution; I am extremely sensitive to many VOC's esp in the indoor environment. My environment happen to be better than most (at least I hope so, since my health depends on it), and it has taken alot of work to get it this good; takes some to keep it there. If you are introducing high voltage, and the possibility of silver salts or compounds, it sounds like a good thing to be worrying about. With low voltage, not so much. I was assuming you were making low voltage, since it is most common around here. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:59 PM, indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:35:55 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I am having a hard time believing that you are such a skeptic that you do not even believe the pure distilled water sold for laboratory use is not really pure water. But maybe that is what you are saying. No, what I said was exactly this, but you appear to be completely ignoring it: There are degrees of accuracy, of course, with absolute being unavailable (and Ode has pointed this out before). However, my close enough standard requires at least accounting for all elements present as a base. Otherwise, we wind up with more questions than answers, don't you agree? One rather obvious example is that many people have been shocked to learn the types of indoor pollutants their homes contain -- how can we be sure there is nothing but pure air in the environment in which we operate? From carpets, upholstery, and wall coverings that release various gasses, to radon pollution, it's a huge question mark whenever we do work like this in the home. When you unseal a container at home, what are you exposing it to? And what is the effect? And then we supply electrical current, which is an excellent catalyst, LOL... Okay, I'll admit I'm a bit neurotic, but I'm also quite right about this. I just want to know what *is* in that solution. Otherwise, what good is an EC meter reading? Until I can determine that, I just don't see much value in either guessing or calculating PPM, because the question PPM of what? has not been answered. This is not to say that I think anyone is making an inferior solution, merely that I want to know more. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks, Kathryn. I'm glad to hear you are employing careful controls. You are definitely correct that the HVAC model I'm using would put me at greater risk of introducing undesirable foreign elements into the mix. Another good reason for my concerns about accuracy. Also, my current generator is quite a crude homemade one. Where do you buy your lab quality DW? Cheers, indi On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:02:18 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I am not ignoring your point. Degrees of accuracy in my experience, range from good enough to several decimal places in a calculation. It all depends on what one is interested in looking at. In school I had to write up error calculations that ranged several pages of math starting from my experiment, then doing the statistical analysis of the data, using the error ranges of the equipment used, etc. It can be a very precise and definite number, usually a range. The water we get here for laboratory use (in the USA) is pretty darn good, otherwise the labs would not be able to use it, their experiments would not work. This is not so true in other countries. Dee has found, for example, that the distilled water available to her is not the same quality. Ours is packaged in different bottles, for one. However, others more knowledgable than I am about HV have said that the high voltage process can introduce many other compounds into the solution, and requires more controls to circumvent that, like Marshall mentioned about the oxides of nitrogen (which convert to silver salts in the solution, which can turn one grey). So your concerns might be valid for that situation. I do only the low voltage ( I have gotten into enough trouble fooling around with low voltage electricity, though I do own a transformer, only 5000 volts). With the low voltage process, it does take a while to cook up a batch, but it is much easier for me to deal with. There is very little concern with the atmospheric gasses since the voltage potential is so low for the silver. And I am very aware of the problem of indoor pollution; I am extremely sensitive to many VOC's esp in the indoor environment. My environment happen to be better than most (at least I hope so, since my health depends on it), and it has taken alot of work to get it this good; takes some to keep it there. If you are introducing high voltage, and the possibility of silver salts or compounds, it sounds like a good thing to be worrying about. With low voltage, not so much. I was assuming you were making low voltage, since it is most common around here. Best Wishes, Kathryn On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:59 PM, indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:35:55 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I am having a hard time believing that you are such a skeptic that you do not even believe the pure distilled water sold for laboratory use is not really pure water. But maybe that is what you are saying. No, what I said was exactly this, but you appear to be completely ignoring it: There are degrees of accuracy, of course, with absolute being unavailable (and Ode has pointed this out before). However, my close enough standard requires at least accounting for all elements present as a base. Otherwise, we wind up with more questions than answers, don't you agree? One rather obvious example is that many people have been shocked to learn the types of indoor pollutants their homes contain -- how can we be sure there is nothing but pure air in the environment in which we operate? From carpets, upholstery, and wall coverings that release various gasses, to radon pollution, it's a huge question mark whenever we do work like this in the home. When you unseal a container at home, what are you exposing it to? And what is the effect? And then we supply electrical current, which is an excellent catalyst, LOL... Okay, I'll admit I'm a bit neurotic, but I'm also quite right about this. I just want to know what *is* in that solution. Otherwise, what good is an EC meter reading? Until I can determine that, I just don't see much value in either guessing or calculating PPM, because the question PPM of what? has not been answered. This is not to say that I think anyone is making an inferior solution, merely that I want to know more. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. Before I would believe that, however, I felt I needed to round up every single different brand of distilled water I could find, and test all of them using the Com 100 EC meter. Surprisingly, some of the brands registered at 50 uS (micro siemans, or use to be micro Mohs), which is way too high for me to even consider using it, except in an emergency, maybe I would think about it, still 50 uS is better than my tap water, which has lots of minerals in it. None of the others was as good, and I still test each gallon before I use it, just out of habit. It is always under 1.5 uS, and occassionally zero. After I pour some out and use to make cs, the rest in the gallon increases in conductivity, which is the air going into solution in it. Still, I use it anyway. I can get very particular, but there is also the limit of practicality. In practice, it does not make so much of a diff for me, but that is with low volts. If I felt it was a bigger deal, I might just make a gallon at a time, instead of a quart. I have heard that in different parts of the country, the best distilled water varies by brand (depends on the equipment used, source water, and probably other factors too). Some areas say Walgreens brand is good, but it is not in this area. I have found that Glenwood Springs distilled water is the best brand around here. How are you keeping the air out of your system? My system is pretty rudimentary too, it is silver wire (.9992) batteries, wires, and a potentiometer ( or one could use a resistor). No timer or anything, though that would be easier. Kathryn On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:25 AM, indi wrote: Thanks, Kathryn. I'm glad to hear you are employing careful controls. You are definitely correct that the HVAC model I'm using would put me at greater risk of introducing undesirable foreign elements into the mix. Another good reason for my concerns about accuracy. Also, my current generator is quite a crude homemade one. Where do you buy your lab quality DW? Cheers, indi On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:02:18 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I am not ignoring your point. Degrees of accuracy in my experience, range from good enough to several decimal places in a calculation. It all depends on what one is interested in looking at. In school I had to write up error calculations that ranged several pages of math sta -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Evening Kathryn, At 01:34 PM 10/22/2008, you wrote: It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. I think some labs, if not most, use double distilled water. Likely they have selected brands or sources, or make it. My scientist friend gave me some but I did not use it for CS, I used it for experiments. We wanted our solutions to be as pure as possible. me to even consider using it, except in an emergency, maybe I would think about it, still 50 uS is better than my tap water, which has lots of minerals in it. Sounds like much trouble. it might be less to make it. My system is pretty rudimentary too, it is silver wire (.9992) batteries, wires, and a potentiometer ( or one could use a resistor). No timer or anything, though that would be easier. No LED ? They are great and one resistor in the circuit. I just use a stop watch. One has to decide if they want to be manual or automatic. With a current meter, a timer, hands, and a brain, I guess that may be semi automatic. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:34:37 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: It is funny, I can get it at the grocery store. It is one specific brand, and says on the label suitable for laboratory use. Before I would believe that, however, I felt I needed to round up every single different brand of distilled water I could find, and test all of them using the Com 100 EC meter. Surprisingly, some of the brands registered at 50 uS (micro siemans, or use to be micro Mohs), which is way too high for me to even consider using it, except in an emergency, maybe I would think about it, still 50 uS is better than my tap water, which has lots of minerals in it. None of the others was as good, and I still test each gallon before I use it, just out of habit. It is always under 1.5 uS, and occassionally zero. After I pour some out and use to make cs, the rest in the gallon increases in conductivity, which is the air going into solution in it. Still, I use it anyway. I can get very particular, but there is also the limit of practicality. In practice, it does not make so much of a diff for me, but that is with low volts. If I felt it was a bigger deal, I might just make a gallon at a time, instead of a quart. I have heard that in different parts of the country, the best distilled water varies by brand (depends on the equipment used, source water, and probably other factors too). Some areas say Walgreens brand is good, but it is not in this area. I have found that Glenwood Springs distilled water is the best brand around here. I will have to look for that one. I need to decide what to do about DW, as I really dislike going in to town to shop any more than I have to, and the supermarket I go to has an inconsistent selection (and I really prefer to shop just twice per month). Probably I will either end up getting it delivered or just build a little distillery myself. But currently, I just use whichever brand they have (often it's that Crystal Springs brand distilled, which is distilled, filtered, and deionized). How are you keeping the air out of your system? I'm not. My brew chamber is an Anchor-Hocking 2 gallon glass jar with a glass lid. It's inside a wooden box (the front side opens on a piano hinge) which is inside my bedroom closet, so that helps at least minimize air circulation around it, but of course that's not much of a precaution. My system is pretty rudimentary too, it is silver wire (.9992) batteries, wires, and a potentiometer ( or one could use a resistor). No timer or anything, though that would be easier. I time mine manually (and stir it manually) as well. 14 gauge . silver wire electrodes, and a ventec neon sign power transformer, which is plugged into a 3 amp variac (I prefer to crank up the voltage slowly just in case anything goes wrong). I do check it often of course, and shut it down if it gets too hot or if I see too much condensation forming. I have to periodically adjust the position of the upper electrode, to avoid arcing. The lower electrode is 4 feet of the same silver wire coiled in the bottom of the jar. It's all laughably crude, but I do get a brew that is working for me in spite of that. So far I do not have to clean my electrodes at all, which I think may be a good sign that I am avoiding any arcing or corona discharge. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Oct 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, indi wrote: I time mine manually (and stir it manually) as well. 14 gauge . silver wire electrodes, and a ventec neon sign power transformer, which is plugged into a 3 amp variac (I prefer to crank up the voltage slowly just in case anything goes wrong). I do check it often of course, and shut it down if it gets too hot or if I see too much condensation forming. I have to periodically adjust the position of the upper electrode, to avoid arcing. The lower electrode is 4 feet of the same silver wire coiled in the bottom of the jar. It's all laughably crude, but I do get a brew that is working for me in spite of that. So far I do not have to clean my electrodes at all, which I think may be a good sign that I am avoiding any arcing or corona discharge. Cheers, indi How long does it take to do the whole 2 gallons? I am assuming you do a big batch, with 4 ft of wire coiled. And about what do think the final PPM ends up being? I am using 10 gauge wire, I start fresh each time, and it takes about 5 hours to get a quart of around 10 ppm. I keep the amps low with the pot. to keep the process slow and constant. It is slow anyway, so with the current controlled I don't have to worry about walking away and returning to mud(or silver sludge). That is the beauty of all this, even with crude simple stuff, it still works. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:55 PM, indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:13:43 -0500 Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: How many times have you calculated ppm ? ( Instead of guessing ) What do you have then ? A combination of all the junk or one item only ? I am stuck with guessing, at present -- like everyone else here. However, that is completely beside the point I was trying to make. The absence of hard data does not magically convert anecdotal evidence into data. Some people certainly have been a bit touchy about that, but this is not supposed to be an emotional issue -- it's a simple discussion of what is known versus what is presumed, a distinction I originally *presumed* we all were qualified to make (I do know better now, LOL). The question is, do you calculate the ppm? You don't have to guess much, and if you prefer, you can do the calculations for error resolution too, then you know exactly how much guessing you are doing, or as they say, parameters of error fall within plus or minus X percent . If X percent is low, it is not much of a guess, if it is high, then whoa, look out. Might as well throw mud at the wall. Faradays Law describes the electrolysis very well. Distilled water for laboratory use is the good enough for labs, so it is by definition good enough for us. I do not take that for granted, I check the conductivity of the water first anyway. Distilled water for lab use should have nothing else in it except water, and it should not conduct any electricity, so the EC reading should be zero. Mine usually is not zero, but very close, within a few parts per billion. After it sits for a while, the EC reading climbs a little, as the distilled water absorbs some gases from the air. It is a very sensitive measurement for my type of purpose. My own experiments show that for me, consistently, the amount of silver deposited in the water during electrolysis as calculated by Faraday's Law is the same as the EC reading taken immediately in the water as it is working. All the hard science I learned is based on first observation, then explored via calculations and experimentation. We are all of us here doing our own science that is as good or better than most of what passes in the medical field, what with all the abuses that occur there. I am glad to hear that you are feeling benefit from your experiments. Best Wishes, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:01:13 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: The question is, do you calculate the ppm? You don't have to guess much, and if you prefer, you can do the calculations for error resolution too, then you know exactly how much guessing you are doing, or as they say, parameters of error fall within plus or minus X percent . If X percent is low, it is not much of a guess, if it is high, then whoa, look out. Might as well throw mud at the wall. Faradays Law describes the electrolysis very well. Distilled water for laboratory use is the good enough for labs, so it is by definition good enough for us. I do not take that for granted, I check the conductivity of the water first anyway. Distilled water for lab use should have nothing else in it except water, and it should not conduct any electricity, so the EC reading should be zero. Mine usually is not zero, but very close, within a few parts per billion. After it sits for a while, the EC reading climbs a little, as the distilled water absorbs some gases from the air. It is a very sensitive measurement for my type of purpose. My own experiments show that for me, consistently, the amount of silver deposited in the water during electrolysis as calculated by Faraday's Law is the same as the EC reading taken immediately in the water as it is working. All the hard science I learned is based on first observation, then explored via calculations and experimentation. We are all of us here doing our own science that is as good or better than most of what passes in the medical field, what with all the abuses that occur there. I am glad to hear that you are feeling benefit from your experiments. Best Wishes, Kathryn Hi Kathryn and Hi list, I do not have faith that one can either guess or calculate PPM with any degree of accuracy. There are just too many unknowns. I notice a lot of people (not you, AFAIK) have made a lot of assumptions about me due to my skepticism regarding acceptance of certain ideas. I believe there has been an oh yeah, well what's *your* answer, smarty pants! type of reaction. :) But I really do not claim to have those answers yet, nor do I feel that having them is a prerequisite for pointing out others do not have them when they (no doubt inadvertently) falsely claim they do. My indicator at this time is not scientific at all, frankly -- I go by whether or not I feel better, what it tastes like, and how much CS does it take to keep my symptoms at bay. For instance, I believe that my most recent batch is weak, because I have to drink at least four ounces twice per day to keep my symptoms from reappearing (a normal batch will do that with four ounces once per day). This is not a bit scientific, of course (all sorts of things could affect the dose required), but then my primary goal *is* to get better, with being able to explain precisely what the medicine is running a distant, but still important, second. The fall and winter is my economic lean time, but in the spring I hope to begin accumulating equipment and chemicals so that I can do more proper testing. I am not remotely qualified, mind you, but my plan is to at least have a shot at reaching some meaningful numbers. Obviously, an atomic absorption spectrometer is beyond my means, but there are some simpler methods for getting decent numbers (not as simple as an EC meter and laser pointer though). Also, if certain business arrangements go well (which is not at all in the bag yet) I may gain access to some funding for equipment by spring. And if all else fails, I should at least have money for sending samples out to an established lab. Meantime, I do not want to get caught up in data which is unlikely to be accurate (and if that makes me arrogant, as at least one person here has claimed, oh well...mark me with a big A then). There are degrees of accuracy, of course, with absolute being unavailable (and Ode has pointed this out before). However, my close enough standard requires at least accounting for all elements present as a base. Otherwise, we wind up with more questions than answers, don't you agree? One rather obvious example is that many people have been shocked to learn the types of indoor pollutants their homes contain -- how can we be sure there is nothing but pure air in the environment in which we operate? From carpets, upholstery, and wall coverings that release various gasses, to radon pollution, it's a huge question mark whenever we do work like this in the home. When you unseal a container at home, what are you exposing it to? And what is the effect? And then we supply electrical current, which is an excellent catalyst, LOL... Okay, I'll admit I'm a bit neurotic, but I'm also quite right about this. I just want to know what *is* in that solution. Otherwise, what good is an EC meter reading? Until I can determine that, I just don't see much value in either guessing or calculating PPM, because the
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It sounds like you are unaware of Faraday? How can that be? You sound like an educated woman, and are likely to be able to do the calculations without trouble- or not? If one has pure water and pure silver, then? No unknowns. Just facts. Calculatable, repeatable, ergo, Provable. Or were my chemistry professors wrong? And the more than a hundred years of repeatable experiments to boot. It sounds to me like you like to explore obtuse points, which is what piqued my interest in the discussion. Kathryn On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:42 AM, indi wrote: Hi Kathryn and Hi list, I do not have faith that one can either guess or calculate PPM with any degree of accuracy. There are just too many unknowns. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:39:06 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: It sounds like you are unaware of Faraday? No, actually I am not unaware of Faraday, I just fail to see how his work can be used to provide me with detailed chemical analysis of a given substance. As I said, conductivity of what? remains an unanswered question. How can that be? You sound like an educated woman, and are likely to be able to do the calculations without trouble- or not? If one has pure water and pure silver, then? It sounds like you are disregarding my concerns. No unknowns. Just facts. Calculatable, repeatable, ergo, Provable. Yes, you are definitely disregarding what I said. Or were my chemistry professors wrong? And the more than a hundred years of repeatable experiments to boot. It sounds to me like you like to explore obtuse points, which is what piqued my interest in the discussion. Okay. Well, the desire for detailed analysis without guessing games isn't obtuse to me, it's just natural. I'm sorry if my desire for more knowledge offends you, or if you find me obtuse. BTW, where I come from, an obtuse person usually means someone who doesn't understand or completely ignores what others say to them. Interesting you choose that word for me, isn't it? indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:06 PM, indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:39:06 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: It sounds like you are unaware of Faraday? No, actually I am not unaware of Faraday, I just fail to see how his work can be used to provide me with detailed chemical analysis of a given substance. As I said, conductivity of what? remains an unanswered question. conductivity of any ion concentration in water, of course. And with Faradays calculations we can get a precise figure for just exactly how much silver (or whatever you put in it) is there. All ions are just itching to hook up with something, and the potentials are all pretty well established, really easy to look up in an online world. I am having a hard time believing that you are such a skeptic that you do not even believe the pure distilled water sold for laboratory use is not really pure water. But maybe that is what you are saying. How can that be? You sound like an educated woman, and are likely to be able to do the calculations without trouble- or not? If one has pure water and pure silver, then? It sounds like you are disregarding my concerns. Perhaps I was. Are you also thinking of the possible volatiles coming from the plastic of the bottles, then; and you definitely said something about air- which is basically soup anyway, not easy to figure out what is there either. These sort of interactions (silver ions, volatiles and air) might be in the ppb or ppt, so not easy to pick out of the soup. There is probably equipment somewhere (I am thinking of the EPA) that can measure something like that. Our ability to measure tiny amounts has way outstripped our knowledge of how it interacts in the body in such small amounts. No unknowns. Just facts. Calculatable, repeatable, ergo, Provable. Yes, you are definitely disregarding what I said. Or were my chemistry professors wrong? And the more than a hundred years of repeatable experiments to boot. It sounds to me like you like to explore obtuse points, which is what piqued my interest in the discussion. Okay. Well, the desire for detailed analysis without guessing games isn't obtuse to me, it's just natural. I'm sorry if my desire for more knowledge offends you, or if you find me obtuse. BTW, where I come from, an obtuse person usually means someone who doesn't understand or completely ignores what others say to them. Interesting you choose that word for me, isn't it? indi I said you seem to like to explore obtuse points. I did not intend to make it personal. Please forgive me, I am sorry, I did not intend to insult you. Where I come from an obtuse point is one that is not the average one under consideration, but a more difficult one to discern. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:35:55 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I am having a hard time believing that you are such a skeptic that you do not even believe the pure distilled water sold for laboratory use is not really pure water. But maybe that is what you are saying. No, what I said was exactly this, but you appear to be completely ignoring it: There are degrees of accuracy, of course, with absolute being unavailable (and Ode has pointed this out before). However, my close enough standard requires at least accounting for all elements present as a base. Otherwise, we wind up with more questions than answers, don't you agree? One rather obvious example is that many people have been shocked to learn the types of indoor pollutants their homes contain -- how can we be sure there is nothing but pure air in the environment in which we operate? From carpets, upholstery, and wall coverings that release various gasses, to radon pollution, it's a huge question mark whenever we do work like this in the home. When you unseal a container at home, what are you exposing it to? And what is the effect? And then we supply electrical current, which is an excellent catalyst, LOL... Okay, I'll admit I'm a bit neurotic, but I'm also quite right about this. I just want to know what *is* in that solution. Otherwise, what good is an EC meter reading? Until I can determine that, I just don't see much value in either guessing or calculating PPM, because the question PPM of what? has not been answered. This is not to say that I think anyone is making an inferior solution, merely that I want to know more. Cheers, indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating
- Original Message - [I just want to know what *is* in that solution. Otherwise, what good is an EC meter reading? Until I can determine that, I just don't see much value in either guessing or calculating PPM, because the question PPM of what? has not been answered. This is not to say that I think anyone is making an inferior solution, merely that I want to know more. indi] Wanted to know that, questioned meters, tried to determine that, couldn't find the answers to satisfy me either, and the answers I did find seemed to conflict so I don't bother any more, I have enough information and knowledge to produce it, produce a product which passes my quality control manager.Oh yeah, that would be me!, 'guess' test it, by and large do it repeatedly, drink and/or use it and just accept it for what it is and what it does now. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
