subject:"CSTainted Food Alert\!"

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-04 Thread Marshall Dudley


sol wrote:

Marshall Dudley wrote:
NO!  You are talking about two different things that are being called 
the same name.  Melamine polymer is totally non toxic, inert, safe, 
and has never killed anyone except by maybe a stack of dishes falling 
on them.  What killed the animals and babies was NOT melamine 
polymer, but 1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine which unfortunately is 
also called melamine by people who can't pronounce the actual 
chemical name.

AHA! Thanks!
You can grind up melamine plates, and eat them. Other than possible 
constipation there would be no problems.  A small amount of 
1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine though could be deadly, they are NOT 
the same thing.
So, what about the melamine scrub pad thingees, which one are they? 
This plastic name confusion is as bad as plants.

thanks more,
sol

They would be the melamine polymer, which is inert and harmless.

Marshall


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-04 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick

Thanks for that Marshall, now I'm even happier using them! lol dee 

---Original Message---

From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 11/04/08 17:29:48
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

 So, what about the melamine scrub pad thingees, which one are they?
 This plastic name confusion is as bad as plants.
 thanks more,
 sol
They would be the melamine polymer, which is inert and harmless.

Marshall

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-03 Thread Marshall Dudley


sol wrote:
The concern and even fear comes from food products from china which 
have been tainted with it. Melamine may be fine as dishes, etc and 
other plastic goods, but it killed thousands of dogs and cats when 
added to gluten as a cheap filler, which gluten then ended up in 
animal foods.
NO!  You are talking about two different things that are being called 
the same name.  Melamine polymer is totally non toxic, inert, safe, and 
has never killed anyone except by maybe a stack of dishes falling on 
them.  What killed the animals and babies was NOT melamine polymer, but 
1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine which unfortunately is also called 
melamine by people who can't pronounce the actual chemical name.

Eating off melamine is very different from eating melamine.
You can grind up melamine plates, and eat them. Other than possible 
constipation there would be no problems.  A small amount of 
1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine though could be deadly, they are NOT the 
same thing. 


Marshall

Thanks for the explanation, very enlightening.
sol

Marshall Dudley wrote:
Melamine plastic is no different than any other plastic.  They are 
almost all formed from toxic monomers, catalysts, or give off toxic 
compounds when curing.  PVC is made from very toxic vinyl chloride, 
acrylic from toxic methyl methacrylate, polyethylene from highly 
poisonous ethylene, polystyrene from highly toxic styrene, polyester 
from polyester resin, toxic styrene and methyl ethyl keytone peroxide 
which is especially nasty. Then you have things like polyurethane 
which is basically made from urine, but forms formaldehyde when it 
cures and outgasses heavily.  In addition many plastics, such as PVC 
(but not melamine) have plasticizers in them that diffuse out and are 
mimics of estrogen. Melamine and polyethylene are probably the least 
problematical of these as far as having anything left over which 
might diffuse out later, and Melamine probably has the least toxic 
monomer of any of them.  So I don't understand the criticism of 
melamine when most of the other plastics are really much worse.





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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-03 Thread sol


Marshall Dudley wrote:
NO!  You are talking about two different things that are being called 
the same name.  Melamine polymer is totally non toxic, inert, safe, 
and has never killed anyone except by maybe a stack of dishes falling 
on them.  What killed the animals and babies was NOT melamine polymer, 
but 1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine which unfortunately is also called 
melamine by people who can't pronounce the actual chemical name.

AHA! Thanks!
You can grind up melamine plates, and eat them. Other than possible 
constipation there would be no problems.  A small amount of 
1,3,5-triazine-2,4,6-triamine though could be deadly, they are NOT the 
same thing.
So, what about the melamine scrub pad thingees, which one are they? This 
plastic name confusion is as bad as plants.

thanks more,
sol


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-01 Thread sol

Thanks, but I have allergic skin reactions to Dr. Bronner's soaps so 
can't use them.

sol

mborg...@att.net wrote:
 
We too cook with coconut oil, I use tko or Dr. Bonners soap they do 
not have suds or bubbles but they do an excellant job.

Mary



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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-11-01 Thread sol

The concern and even fear comes from food products from china which have 
been tainted with it. Melamine may be fine as dishes, etc and other 
plastic goods, but it killed thousands of dogs and cats when added to 
gluten as a cheap filler, which gluten then ended up in animal foods.

Eating off melamine is very different from eating melamine.
Thanks for the explanation, very enlightening.
sol

Marshall Dudley wrote:
Melamine plastic is no different than any other plastic.  They are 
almost all formed from toxic monomers, catalysts, or give off toxic 
compounds when curing.  PVC is made from very toxic vinyl chloride, 
acrylic from toxic methyl methacrylate, polyethylene from highly 
poisonous ethylene, polystyrene from highly toxic styrene, polyester 
from polyester resin, toxic styrene and methyl ethyl keytone peroxide 
which is especially nasty. Then you have things like polyurethane 
which is basically made from urine, but forms formaldehyde when it 
cures and outgasses heavily.  In addition many plastics, such as PVC 
(but not melamine) have plasticizers in them that diffuse out and are 
mimics of estrogen. Melamine and polyethylene are probably the least 
problematical of these as far as having anything left over which might 
diffuse out later, and Melamine probably has the least toxic monomer 
of any of them.  So I don't understand the criticism of melamine when 
most of the other plastics are really much worse.





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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-31 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick

I'm not arguing with you Mary, but I do like a bit more evidence that
something is bad for you and how it is bad for you, before I stop using it. 
I have never had any problems with this product,  and feel that I should say
so.  There are a lot of things out there that are bad in one context, but
safe in another, and I feel this is one of those.  If you have any evidence
(even anecdotal) to show that they are bad, then I will be happy to take it
on board as always.  After all, even arsenic or digitalis can be beneficial
in some doses and circumstances, but lethal in others. Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: mborg...@att.net
Date: 30/10/2008 22:41:53
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!
 
Dee,
 
Why are you arguing with me??
I am mearly telling you that it contains melamine, you may not feel it,
smell it or taste it butpoison is poison.
Keep using it, time will tell if anyone in you family gets sick.
 
Mary

Melamine plastic is no different than any other plastic. They are
almost all formed from toxic monomers, catalysts, or give off toxic
compounds when curing. PVC is made from very toxic vinyl chloride,
acrylic from toxic methyl methacrylate, polyethylene from highly
poisonous ethylene, polystyrene from highly toxic styrene, polyester
from polyester resin, toxic styrene and methyl ethyl keytone peroxide
which is especially nasty. Then you have things like polyurethane which
is basically made from urine, but forms formaldehyde when it cures and
outgasses heavily. In addition many plastics, such as PVC (but not
melamine) have plasticizers in them that diffuse out and are mimics of
estrogen. Melamine and polyethylene are probably the least problematical
of these as far as having anything left over which might diffuse out
later, and Melamine probably has the least toxic monomer of any of
them. So I don't understand the criticism of melamine when most of the
other plastics are really much worse.

Marshall

mborg...@att.net wrote:

Dee,

Why are you arguing with me??
I am mearly telling you that it contains melamine, you may not feel
it, smell it or taste it butpoison is poison.

Keep using it, time will tell if anyone in you family gets sick.

Mary

-- Original message from Dee Fitzpatrick
d...@deetroy.org: --

I don't find any problems with the little pads and I use non toxic
things for everything else. That is, I use soap-nuts to wash
clothes with (no softener) and Feem for cleaning surfaces such as
floors which are dirty - otherwise just micro-fibre cloths and
water. The little pads clean all the bathroom things just fine,
without using other more toxic substances. dee

/---Original Message---/

/*From:*/ indi mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com

/*Date:*/ 30/10/2008 14:38:23
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
/*Subject:*/ Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

There are quite a few alternatives to cleaning with poison:

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8keywords=non%20toxic%20dish%20soapindex=blendedlink%5Fcode=qs

indi

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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-31 Thread mborgert







Dear Sol,

We too cook with coconut oil, I use tko or Dr. Bonners soap they do not have suds or bubbles but they do an excellant job.
Mary
-- Original message from sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com: --  Once a "nontoxic" liquid dish soap grew black mold right in the liquid.  For the longest time I could not figure out how the black mold and mold  smell was getting into all my dishrags and sponges. I could not get all  the mold spores out of the soap dispensers so had to throw them all out.  Just changing to a different brand was not enough (I went back to  regular dishwashing liquid).   I'm planning to try some of the non-toxic alternatives mentioned in this  thread. I do have a lot of "grease" to deal with, as we eat a lot of  good fats. It can be hard to get the coconut oil out of my coffee mug.  Well I guess the oil is gone, but the coffee and tea stains are more  difficult if the beverage has had fat in it. Or so it seems.  sol --  The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.   Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org   To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com   Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com   The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...   List maintainer: Mike Devour

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!- plastics

2008-10-31 Thread Clayton Family

Thanks again, Marshall.   In one study done way back in the 80's?  it 
was shown that toxins in plastic wrap migrate into the foods they are 
storing. It also showed that polyethelene was the only one that had 
much lesser rates of transmission. Original Saran Wrap was the only 
commercially available plastic wrap that used poly, reynolds wrap used 
pvc, I think.


Many people I know tin foil (aluminum wrap) instead for sandwiches, and 
use glass for almost everything else.


In some other reading I did recently on transmission of heavy metals 
from pan into food, it was shown that it was temperature dependent, and 
of course longer times allowed more migration. That is also true of the 
migration from plastics into food, so using plastic wrap in direct 
contact with food in a microwave is a very big no-no. If we can 
exptrapolate a little, then using plastic for cooking in general can be 
unsafe, and perhaps even storing food in any kind of plastic is a bad 
idea.


As you said, there are many estrogen mimics in these kinds of things, 
and in addition, many of the toxins are fat soluble, so migration into 
fatty foods at room temp is possible.


kathryn

On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Melamine plastic is no different than any other plastic.  They are 
almost all formed from toxic monomers, catalysts, or give off toxic 
compounds when curing.  PVC is made from very toxic vinyl chloride, 
acrylic from toxic methyl methacrylate, polyethylene from highly 
poisonous ethylene, polystyrene from highly toxic styrene, polyester 
from polyester resin, toxic styrene and methyl ethyl keytone peroxide 
which is especially nasty. Then you have things like polyurethane 
which is basically made from urine, but forms formaldehyde when it 
cures and outgasses heavily.  In addition many plastics, such as PVC 
(but not melamine) have plasticizers in them that diffuse out and are 
mimics of estrogen. Melamine and polyethylene are probably the least 
problematical of these as far as having anything left over which might 
diffuse out later, and Melamine probably has the least toxic monomer 
of any of them.  So I don't understand the criticism of melamine when 
most of the other plastics are really much worse.


Marshall

mborg...@att.net wrote:



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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-31 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick

Thank you for this useful information Marshall.  I sort of knew this but
didn't know the science of it, but I will keep this for future reference.  
And I will still use 'the little white pads'  grin dee 

---Original Message---

From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 31/10/2008 15:13:59
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

Melamine plastic is no different than any other plastic.  They are
almost all formed from toxic monomers, catalysts, or give off toxic
compounds when curing.  PVC is made from very toxic vinyl chloride,
acrylic from toxic methyl methacrylate, polyethylene from highly
poisonous ethylene, polystyrene from highly toxic styrene, polyester
from polyester resin, toxic styrene and methyl ethyl keytone peroxide
which is especially nasty. Then you have things like polyurethane which
is basically made from urine, but forms formaldehyde when it cures and
Outgasses heavily.  In addition many plastics, such as PVC (but not
melamine) have plasticizers in them that diffuse out and are mimics of
estrogen. Melamine and polyethylene are probably the least problematical
of these as far as having anything left over which might diffuse out
later, and Melamine probably has the least toxic monomer of any of
them.  So I don't understand the criticism of melamine when most of the
other plastics are really much worse.

Marshall

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-31 Thread indi

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:37:56 -0500
Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote:

 
 On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:03 PM, indi wrote:
 
  On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:51:04 -0500
  Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote:
 
 
 
  I would worry more about the new particle board under the formica,
  as it outgasses formaldehyde..
 
 
  No particle board under my formica, it's honeycomb aluminum core
  covered on both sides with formica.
 
  indi
 
 
 
 Wow, that is really cool. I did not even know such a critter existed.
 
 


It's mostly used in aircraft construction. 

Cheers,
indi


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Dee

Well I use the little melanine pads to clean dishes with because it 
means I don't have to use washing up liquid which is highly toxic.  I 
cannot see a problem, because I rinse it under the tap after using 
anyway, and then dry.  dee


Marshall Dudley wrote:
  Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a 
problem, but I would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts 
of both formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.






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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Faith Gagne

When I wash a few dishes by hand here and there I use liquid dish soap, and 
because it is concentrated I dilute it a lot with water.   I always rinse 
well.  Otherwise I use a dishwasher about once a week because I 'pack'  it 
with dishes before I turn it on.  Saves on water.



- Original Message - 
From: Dee d...@deetroy.org

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!


Well I use the little melanine pads to clean dishes with because it means 
I don't have to use washing up liquid which is highly toxic.  I cannot see 
a problem, because I rinse it under the tap after using anyway, and then 
dry.  dee


Marshall Dudley wrote:
  Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a problem, 
but I would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts of both 
formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.






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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Dee


that should have read 'melamine'.  dee

Dee wrote:
Well I use the little melanine pads to clean dishes with because it 
means I don't have to use washing up liquid which is highly toxic.  I 
cannot see a problem, because I rinse it under the tap after using 
anyway, and then dry.  dee






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CSTainted Food Alert Update

2008-10-30 Thread kmilkowski

Brasscheck TV: Food safety alert
  

If you missed yesterday's bulletin about
Potential melamine contamination in the
US food supply, please go here:
 
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html
 
If you read yesterday's bulletin, I have
Assembled a number of sources that verify
Everything in that story here:
 
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/462.html
 
Until the FDA comes clean, I recommend
That you advoid:
 
1. ALL manufactured food products made
In China regardless of what the listed
Ingredients state.
 
2. The products of ANY food manufacturer
Regardless of where they are based, in
The US or elsewhere, that will not clearly
State that they do not use powdered milk,
Powdered eggs, or other bulk food ingredients
Manufactured in China.
 
In its infinite wisdom, the Bush
Administration and the FDA has
Made the US the ONLY country on earth
That has not ordered these potentially
Tainted products removed from
Its shelves.
 
Milk products manufactured in China
And tainted with melamine, an industrial
Chemical, killed and injured thousands
Of children this year.
 
If you live in the US, you need to know
That your government is not protecting you
From these products.
 
The original story posted yesterday is here:
 
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html
 
My additional research is posted here:
 
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/462.html
 
- Brasscheck
 
P.S. Please pass this along.
 
Obviously, the FDA and US news media is happy
To let you eat this stuff and couldn't care
Less what happens to you.
 
A parting gift to America from the Bush family
I guess.
 
 
 
 
- Brasscheck
 
P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and
Videos with friends and colleagues.
 
That's how we grow. Thanks. 
 


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread mborgert







Dee,

This is exactly what I was saying NO ONE WISHES TO GIVE UP THE LITTLE WHITE POISON PADS.

It is your health, you can always find dish soap that is non toxic.


Mary
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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread indi


There are quite a few alternatives to cleaning with poison:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8keywords=non%20toxic%20dish%20soapindex=blendedlink%5Fcode=qs

indi

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:41:17 +
Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote:

 Well I use the little melanine pads to clean dishes with because it 
 means I don't have to use washing up liquid which is highly toxic.  I 
 cannot see a problem, because I rinse it under the tap after using 
 anyway, and then dry.  dee
 
 Marshall Dudley wrote:
Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a 
  problem, but I would not  put it in my mouth since very small
  amounts of both formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Marshall Dudley


indi wrote:

Thanks Marshall, that's good information to have. Unfortunately for me,
a lot of my indoor environment (counters, shelves, and cupboards in my 
kitchen and bathroom) is covered with formica. It's old formica, made
in 1973. Do you think it still releases toxins? 
No I don't.  I would not worry about even new Formica, any outgassing is 
going to be trivial, and short lived.  I would wash any melamine dishes 
in a dishwasher first though before using, to eliminate any monomers 
which might outgas into your food.


Marshall

Maybe my
energy-inefficient habit of keeping windows open even when it's cold
outside and the heat is on has been wiser than I realized...

indi

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:20:25 -0400
Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

  

Let me say that first of all, that the guy in the video is wrong
about them using scrap melamine polymers in the China milk.  Melamine
polymer is a very stable plastic which not only would pass through
one's digestive system unchanged and unabsorbed, but also would not
yield any increase in detected nitrogen when testing for protein
which was the purpose of adding the melamine. In addition, it would
form a kind of grit, which would be very easy to detect, it is
insoluble, and all you have to do is mix the milk powder with water,
and if it is there, it will be on the bottom and easily detected.

What they were adding is melamine MONOMER. This is the liquid which 
polymerizes when heated to form melamine plastic after crosslinking

with formaldehyde.  The stuff is very dangerous from a health
standpoint, just as other monomers are, such as styrene, methyl
methacrylate, and polyester resin (Bondo and Clear Cast for
example).  Just breathing any of these monomers can make you sick,
yet the plastics themselves are ALL FDA approved for use with foods.
Heck, most of us have counter tops made of melamine ( Formica and
Micarta are examples), and most plastic dishes are made from it as
well. When the monomer is ingested, the kidneys will remove it, and
it is toxic. But also when combined with urea and in the environment
of the urine, it tends to polymerized, forming plastic inside the
kidneys and kidney and bladder stones.  Also it can produce cyanuric
acid crystals which can lead to kidney failure. The stones are not
only very serious, but unlike most toxins that will eventually be
flushed out, will likely remain there for the rest of the entity's
life.

However, that being said, there CAN be some leaching of
unpolymerized melamine monomer and formaldehyde used to crosslink in
melamine plastics. There is an article on this at 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tfac/2006/0023/0009/art00010 
.  Thus I would highly recommend washing any melamine dishes in a 
dishwasher, and using the heated drying cycle before using them.

Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a
problem, but I would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts
of both formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.

Also see 
http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/melamine-and-kidney-failure.html 
for confirmation of what I am saying.
Melamine monomer, as opposed to the plastic used to make kitchen 
utensils and table coverings, itself also has irritant properties. It 
has been added to various food products to illicitly and fraudulently 
boost the measured protein content without the expense of actually 
improving the food’s nutritional value.


Marshall



mborg...@att.net wrote:


Another alert
All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white
pad known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from
malamine. 
I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their

mouths, I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.
 
I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away.  My clients wonder why

their children are sick.
 
This poison and many others are just a few feet away, under every 
sink,in every utility room in America.
 
Mary


-- Original message from kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com:
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 From: Brasscheck TV
 Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
 To: Linda
 Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN


 I don't often send bulletins, but this is
 potentially very serious.

 You have probably heard of the deliberate
 adulteration of infant formula with melamine
 in China.

 It killed and injured thousands of children
 there.

 What you don't know - because the FDA and others
 don't want you to know - is that as much as
 20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
 and products containing milk powder were imported into
 the US from China this year.

 Now please read the next part very carefully:

 The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
 that has NOT pulled food products containing
 milk powder manufactured in China off its
 shelves.

 Please re-reread the

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick

I don't find any problems with the little pads and I use non toxic things
for everything else.  That is, I use soap-nuts to wash clothes with (no
softener) and  Feem for cleaning surfaces such as floors which are dirty -
otherwise just micro-fibre cloths and water.  The little pads clean all the
bathroom things just fine, without using other more toxic substances.  dee 

---Original Message---

From: indi
Date: 30/10/2008 14:38:23
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

There are quite a few alternatives to cleaning with poison:
http://www.amazon
com/s?ie=UTF8keywords=non%20toxic%20dish%20soapindex=blendedlink%5Fcode=qs

indi

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick

I can't see how they are poison Mary, nothing comes off of them.  Even if a
minute amount did, as I say, I rinse the dishes off and dry them.  No-one is
sick in my house.  dee 

---Original Message---

From: mborg...@att.net
Date: 30/10/2008 14:17:20
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

Dee,

This is exactly what I was saying NO ONE WISHES TO GIVE UP THE LITTLE WHITE
POISON PADS.

It is your health, you can always find dish soap that is non toxic.

Mary

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Clayton Family



On Oct 30, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:


indi wrote:
Thanks Marshall, that's good information to have. Unfortunately for 
me,
a lot of my indoor environment (counters, shelves, and cupboards in 
my kitchen and bathroom) is covered with formica. It's old formica, 
made

in 1973. Do you think it still releases toxins?
No I don't.  I would not worry about even new Formica, any outgassing 
is going to be trivial, and short lived.  I would wash any melamine 
dishes in a dishwasher first though before using, to eliminate any 
monomers which might outgas into your food.


Marshall

Maybe my
energy-inefficient habit of keeping windows open even when it's cold
outside and the heat is on has been wiser than I realized...

indi





I would worry more about the new particle board under the formica, as 
it outgasses formaldehyde..


Kathryn


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread indi

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:51:04 -0500
Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote:

 
 
 I would worry more about the new particle board under the formica, as 
 it outgasses formaldehyde..
 

No particle board under my formica, it's honeycomb aluminum core
covered on both sides with formica. 

indi


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert! Dishwashing

2008-10-30 Thread Rowena

Hulda Clark says you can't rinse it off, there is always a residue.  She 
recommends borax and washing soda.  Borax in the dishwasher, with vinegar as a 
rinse aid.
R


  When I wash a few dishes by hand here and there I use liquid dish soap, and 
  because it is concentrated I dilute it a lot with water.   I always rinse 
  well.  Otherwise I use a dishwasher about once a week because I 'pack'  it 
  with dishes before I turn it on.  Saves on water.

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Clayton Family



On Oct 30, 2008, at 1:03 PM, indi wrote:


On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:51:04 -0500
Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote:




I would worry more about the new particle board under the formica, as
it outgasses formaldehyde..



No particle board under my formica, it's honeycomb aluminum core
covered on both sides with formica.

indi




Wow, that is really cool. I did not even know such a critter existed.

Kathryn


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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread Ruth Bertella

Are y'all talking about the Mr. Clean Eraser cleaning pad thing or the dish 
sponges with the scrubber thingy's on one side?  - or - both?

- Original Message - 
  From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

I can't see how they are poison Mary, nothing comes off of them.  Even 
if a minute amount did, as I say, I rinse the dishes off and dry them.  No-one 
is sick in my house.  dee 

---Original Message---

From: mborg...@att.net
Date: 30/10/2008 14:17:20
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

Dee,

This is exactly what I was saying NO ONE WISHES TO GIVE UP THE LITTLE 
WHITE POISON PADS.

It is your health, you can always find dish soap that is non toxic.

Mary

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread mborgert







I was speaking about the eraser mr clean, it is called many other things.
-- Original message from "Ruth Bertella" berte...@lfdcbham.com: --  





Are y'all talking about the Mr. Clean "Eraser"cleaning pad thing or the dish sponges with the scrubber thingy's on one side? - or - both?

- Original Message - 

From: Dee Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!





I can't see how they are poison Mary, nothing comes off of them. Even if a minute amount did,as I say, I rinse the dishes off and dry them. No-one is sick in my house. dee


---Original Message---


From: mborg...@att.net
Date: 30/10/2008 14:17:20
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!


Dee,

This is exactly what I was saying NO ONE WISHES TO GIVE UP THE LITTLE WHITE POISON PADS.

It is your health, you can always find dish soap that is non toxic.


Mary

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread mborgert







Dee,

Why are you arguing with me??
I am mearly telling you that it contains melamine, you may not feel it, smell it or taste it butpoison is poison.
Keep using it, time will tell if anyone in you family gets sick.

Mary

Mary
-- Original message from "Dee Fitzpatrick" d...@deetroy.org: -- 









I don't find any problems with the little pads and I use non toxic things foreverything else. That is, I use soap-nuts to wash clothes with (no softener) and Feem for cleaning surfaces such as floors which are dirty - otherwise just micro-fibre cloths and water. The little pads clean all the bathroom things just fine, without using other more toxic substances. dee

---Original Message---


From: indi
Date: 30/10/2008 14:38:23
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

There are quite a few alternatives to "cleaning" with poison:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8keywords=non%20toxic%20dish%20soapindex=blendedlink%5Fcode=qs

indi

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread mborgert

Dear Indi.

Thank you for the information
I am a professional non toxic house cleaner, I have 17 clients that I clean myself and I am 65. I research everything I use because I use theseproducts continually.
One can almost tell what kind of diseases the client and family has just by what is under the sink.
I also specialize in molds, it is amazing what kinds of diseases they can produce.

I did not know, but you know those little rubber duckys that children use in the tub?
I was cleaning out the tub, a few of these were in the tub,so I squirted out the water... lo and behold what came out was pure black mold.
I told my client, she now squirts all water out after the bath and has made the holes bigger.
Goes to show it can hide anywhere.
Mary
-- Original message from indi indi.sha...@gmail.com: -- There are quite a few alternatives to "cleaning" with poison: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8keywords=non%20toxic%20dish%20soapindex=blended link%5Fcode=qs indi On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:41:17 + Dee wrote:Well I use the little melanine pads to clean dishes with because it means I don't have to use washing up liquid which is highly toxic. I cannot see a problem, because I rinse it under the tap after using anyway, and then dry. dee Marshall Dudley wrote:Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be aproblem, but I would not put it in my mouth since very smallamounts of both formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-30 Thread sol

Once a nontoxic liquid dish soap grew black mold right in the liquid. 
For the longest time I could not figure out how the black mold and mold 
smell was getting into all my dishrags and sponges. I could not get all 
the mold spores out of the soap dispensers so had to throw them all out. 
Just changing to a different brand was not enough (I went back to 
regular dishwashing liquid).


I'm planning to try some of the non-toxic alternatives mentioned in this 
thread. I do have a lot of grease to deal with, as we eat a lot of 
good fats. It can be hard to get the coconut oil out of my coffee mug. 
Well I guess the oil is gone, but the coffee and tea stains are more 
difficult if the beverage has had fat in it. Or so it seems.

sol



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CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread kmilkowski

From: Brasscheck TV
Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
To: Linda
Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN

I don't often send bulletins, but this is
potentially very serious.

You have probably heard of the deliberate
adulteration of infant formula with melamine
in China.

It killed and injured thousands of children
there.

What you don't know - because the FDA and others
don't want you to know - is that as much as
20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
and products containing milk powder were imported into
the US from China this year.

Now please read the next part very carefully:

The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
that has NOT pulled food products containing
milk powder manufactured in China off its
shelves.

Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.

The person blowing the whistle on this is
an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
on this while researching this season's
Halloween candy offerings.

He has found candy manufactured in China
with milk powder widely being sold in
US stores.

Obviously, I have not had time to check all the
facts, but knowing the parties involved - China,
the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate
America - I have no doubt that this is not only
highly plausible, it's highly likely.

It's serious.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html

- Brasscheck

P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues
so they can make informed decisions about what
they eat.

Do not eat or feed to your children any food
made with milk powder manufactured in China.

- Brasscheck

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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread mborgert

Another alert
All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white pad known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from malamine.

I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their mouths, I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.

I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away. My clients wonder why their children are sick.

This poison and many others are just a few feet away, under every sink,in every utility room in America.

Mary
-- Original message from kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com: -- From: Brasscheck TV Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM To: Linda Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETINI don't often send bulletins, but this is potentially very serious. You have probably heard of the deliberate adulteration of infant formula with melamine in China. It killed and injured thousands of children there. What you don't know - because the FDA and others don't want you to know - is that as much as 20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder and products containing milk powder were imported into the US from China this year. Now please read the next part very carefully: The US...is the ONLY country...including China... that has NOT pulled food products containing milk powder manufactured in China off its shelves. Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully. The person blowing the whistle on this is an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled on this while researching this season's Halloween candy offerings. He has found candy manufactured in China with milk powder widely being sold in US stores. Obviously, I have not had time to check all the facts, but knowing the parties involved - China, the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate America - I have no doubt that this is not only highly plausible, it's highly likely. It's serious. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html - Brasscheck P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues so they can make informed decisions about what they eat. Do not eat or feed to your children any food made with milk powder manufactured in China. - Brasscheck P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and videos with friends and colleagues. That's how we grow. Thanks.-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour

RE: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Carl Deb Charter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUB79WJ9ktQ

-Original Message-
From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com [mailto:kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:15 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; lymec...@yahoogroups.com;
lymestrateg...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CSTainted Food Alert!

From: Brasscheck TV
Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
To: Linda
Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN

I don't often send bulletins, but this is
potentially very serious.

You have probably heard of the deliberate
adulteration of infant formula with melamine
in China.

It killed and injured thousands of children
there.

What you don't know - because the FDA and others
don't want you to know - is that as much as
20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
and products containing milk powder were imported into
the US from China this year.

Now please read the next part very carefully:

The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
that has NOT pulled food products containing
milk powder manufactured in China off its
shelves.

Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.

The person blowing the whistle on this is
an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
on this while researching this season's
Halloween candy offerings.

He has found candy manufactured in China
with milk powder widely being sold in
US stores.

Obviously, I have not had time to check all the
facts, but knowing the parties involved - China,
the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate
America - I have no doubt that this is not only
highly plausible, it's highly likely.

It's serious.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html

- Brasscheck

P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues
so they can make informed decisions about what
they eat.

Do not eat or feed to your children any food
made with milk powder manufactured in China.

- Brasscheck

P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and
videos with friends and colleagues.

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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Marshall Dudley

The real problem for consumers is the milk powder that was imported and 
incorporated into products in the US.  The county of origin shown on the 
packaging is the final producer, and there is no hint that there is any 
food in it from China.


As fro the FDA, any time they say something is safe, it is a big red flag.

Marshall

kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

From: Brasscheck TV
Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
To: Linda
Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN
 
 
I don't often send bulletins, but this is

potentially very serious.
 
You have probably heard of the deliberate

adulteration of infant formula with melamine
in China.
 
It killed and injured thousands of children

there.
 
What you don't know - because the FDA and others

don't want you to know - is that as much as
20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
and products containing milk powder were imported into
the US from China this year.
 
Now please read the next part very carefully:
 
The US...is the ONLY country...including China...

that has NOT pulled food products containing
milk powder manufactured in China off its
shelves.
 
Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.
 
The person blowing the whistle on this is

an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
on this while researching this season's
Halloween candy offerings.
 
He has found candy manufactured in China

with milk powder widely being sold in
US stores.
 
Obviously, I have not had time to check all the

facts, but knowing the parties involved - China,
the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate
America - I have no doubt that this is not only
highly plausible, it's highly likely.
 
It's serious.
 
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html
 
- Brasscheck
 
P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues

so they can make informed decisions about what
they eat.
 
Do not eat or feed to your children any food

made with milk powder manufactured in China.
 
 
 
 
- Brasscheck
 
P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and

videos with friends and colleagues.
 
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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread kmilkowski

How can you say such a thing about those nice folks over at the food and death 
administration??

Kurt
 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: 
 The real problem for consumers is the milk powder that was imported and 
 incorporated into products in the US.  The county of origin shown on the 
 packaging is the final producer, and there is no hint that there is any 
 food in it from China.
 
 As fro the FDA, any time they say something is safe, it is a big red flag.
 
 Marshall
 
 kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
  From: Brasscheck TV
  Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
  To: Linda
  Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN
   
   
  I don't often send bulletins, but this is
  potentially very serious.
   
  You have probably heard of the deliberate
  adulteration of infant formula with melamine
  in China.
   
  It killed and injured thousands of children
  there.
   
  What you don't know - because the FDA and others
  don't want you to know - is that as much as
  20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
  and products containing milk powder were imported into
  the US from China this year.
   
  Now please read the next part very carefully:
   
  The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
  that has NOT pulled food products containing
  milk powder manufactured in China off its
  shelves.
   
  Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.
   
  The person blowing the whistle on this is
  an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
  on this while researching this season's
  Halloween candy offerings.
   
  He has found candy manufactured in China
  with milk powder widely being sold in
  US stores.
   
  Obviously, I have not had time to check all the
  facts, but knowing the parties involved - China,
  the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate
  America - I have no doubt that this is not only
  highly plausible, it's highly likely.
   
  It's serious.
   
  http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html
   
  - Brasscheck
   
  P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues
  so they can make informed decisions about what
  they eat.
   
  Do not eat or feed to your children any food
  made with milk powder manufactured in China.
   
   
   
   
  - Brasscheck
   
  P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and
  videos with friends and colleagues.
   
  That's how we grow. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Marshall Dudley

Let me say that first of all, that the guy in the video is wrong about 
them using scrap melamine polymers in the China milk.  Melamine polymer 
is a very stable plastic which not only would pass through one's 
digestive system unchanged and unabsorbed, but also would not yield any 
increase in detected nitrogen when testing for protein  which was the 
purpose of adding the melamine. In addition, it would form a kind of 
grit, which would be very easy to detect, it is insoluble, and all you 
have to do is mix the milk powder with water, and if it is there, it 
will be on the bottom and easily detected.


What they were adding is melamine MONOMER. This is the liquid which 
polymerizes when heated to form melamine plastic after crosslinking with 
formaldehyde.  The stuff is very dangerous from a health standpoint, 
just as other monomers are, such as styrene, methyl methacrylate, and 
polyester resin (Bondo and Clear Cast for example).  Just breathing any 
of these monomers can make you sick, yet the plastics themselves are ALL 
FDA approved for use with foods.  Heck, most of us have counter tops 
made of melamine ( Formica and Micarta are examples), and most plastic 
dishes are made from it as well. When the monomer is ingested, the 
kidneys will remove it, and it is toxic. But also when combined with 
urea and in the environment of the urine, it tends to polymerized, 
forming plastic inside the kidneys and kidney and bladder stones.  Also 
it can produce cyanuric acid crystals which can lead to kidney failure.  
The stones are not only very serious, but unlike most toxins that will 
eventually be flushed out, will likely remain there for the rest of the 
entity's life.


However, that being said, there CAN be some leaching of unpolymerized  
melamine monomer and formaldehyde used to crosslink in melamine 
plastics. There is an article on this at 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tfac/2006/0023/0009/art00010 
.  Thus I would highly recommend washing any melamine dishes in a 
dishwasher, and using the heated drying cycle before using them.  Using 
scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a problem, but I 
would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts of both 
formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.


Also see 
http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/melamine-and-kidney-failure.html 
for confirmation of what I am saying.
Melamine monomer, as opposed to the plastic used to make kitchen 
utensils and table coverings, itself also has irritant properties. It 
has been added to various food products to illicitly and fraudulently 
boost the measured protein content without the expense of actually 
improving the food’s nutritional value.


Marshall



mborg...@att.net wrote:

Another alert
All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white pad 
known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from malamine.
 
I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their mouths, 
I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.
 
I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away.  My clients wonder why their 
children are sick.
 
This poison and many others are just a few feet away, under every 
sink,in every utility room in America.
 
Mary


-- Original message from kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com:
--



 From: Brasscheck TV
 Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
 To: Linda
 Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN


 I don't often send bulletins, but this is
 potentially very serious.

 You have probably heard of the deliberate
 adulteration of infant formula with melamine
 in China.

 It killed and injured thousands of children
 there.

 What you don't know - because the FDA and others
 don't want you to know - is that as much as
 20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
 and products containing milk powder were imported into
 the US from China this year.

 Now please read the next part very carefully:

 The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
 that has NOT pulled food products containing
 milk powder manufactured in China off its
 shelves.

 Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.

 The person blowing the whistle on this is
 an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
 on this while researching this season's
 Halloween candy offerings.

 He has found candy manufactured in China
 with milk powder widely being sold in
 US stores.

 Obviously, I have not had time to check all the
 facts, but knowing the parties involved - China,
 the FDA, the Bush administration, and corporate
 America - I have no doubt that this is not only
 highly plausible, it's highly likely.

 It's serious.

 http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.html

 - Brasscheck

 P.S. Please share this with friends and colleagues
 so

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread kmilkowski

Good info Marshall.. Whatever it is, it did make an awful lot of kids sick 
in China along with killing a bunch. Better to be safe than sorry, the more 
information you can read through the better, thanks,

Kurt
 Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: 
 Let me say that first of all, that the guy in the video is wrong about 
 them using scrap melamine polymers in the China milk.  Melamine polymer 
 is a very stable plastic which not only would pass through one's 
 digestive system unchanged and unabsorbed, but also would not yield any 
 increase in detected nitrogen when testing for protein  which was the 
 purpose of adding the melamine. In addition, it would form a kind of 
 grit, which would be very easy to detect, it is insoluble, and all you 
 have to do is mix the milk powder with water, and if it is there, it 
 will be on the bottom and easily detected.
 
 What they were adding is melamine MONOMER. This is the liquid which 
 polymerizes when heated to form melamine plastic after crosslinking with 
 formaldehyde.  The stuff is very dangerous from a health standpoint, 
 just as other monomers are, such as styrene, methyl methacrylate, and 
 polyester resin (Bondo and Clear Cast for example).  Just breathing any 
 of these monomers can make you sick, yet the plastics themselves are ALL 
 FDA approved for use with foods.  Heck, most of us have counter tops 
 made of melamine ( Formica and Micarta are examples), and most plastic 
 dishes are made from it as well. When the monomer is ingested, the 
 kidneys will remove it, and it is toxic. But also when combined with 
 urea and in the environment of the urine, it tends to polymerized, 
 forming plastic inside the kidneys and kidney and bladder stones.  Also 
 it can produce cyanuric acid crystals which can lead to kidney failure.  
 The stones are not only very serious, but unlike most toxins that will 
 eventually be flushed out, will likely remain there for the rest of the 
 entity's life.
 
 However, that being said, there CAN be some leaching of unpolymerized  
 melamine monomer and formaldehyde used to crosslink in melamine 
 plastics. There is an article on this at 
 http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tfac/2006/0023/0009/art00010
  
 .  Thus I would highly recommend washing any melamine dishes in a 
 dishwasher, and using the heated drying cycle before using them.  Using 
 scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a problem, but I 
 would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts of both 
 formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.
 
 Also see 
 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/melamine-and-kidney-failure.html 
 for confirmation of what I am saying.
 Melamine monomer, as opposed to the plastic used to make kitchen 
 utensils and table coverings, itself also has irritant properties. It 
 has been added to various food products to illicitly and fraudulently 
 boost the measured protein content without the expense of actually 
 improving the food’s nutritional value.
 
 Marshall
 
 
 
 mborg...@att.net wrote:
  Another alert
  All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white pad 
  known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from malamine.
   
  I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their mouths, 
  I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.
   
  I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away.  My clients wonder why their 
  children are sick.
   
  This poison and many others are just a few feet away, under every 
  sink,in every utility room in America.
   
  Mary
 
  -- Original message from kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com:
  --
 
 
  
   From: Brasscheck TV
   Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
   To: Linda
   Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN
  
  
   I don't often send bulletins, but this is
   potentially very serious.
  
   You have probably heard of the deliberate
   adulteration of infant formula with melamine
   in China.
  
   It killed and injured thousands of children
   there.
  
   What you don't know - because the FDA and others
   don't want you to know - is that as much as
   20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
   and products containing milk powder were imported into
   the US from China this year.
  
   Now please read the next part very carefully:
  
   The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
   that has NOT pulled food products containing
   milk powder manufactured in China off its
   shelves.
  
   Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.
  
   The person blowing the whistle on this is
   an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
   on this while researching this season's
   Halloween candy offerings.
  
   He has found candy manufactured in China
   with milk powder widely being sold in
   US stores.

RE: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Dianne France


I also thank Marshall for the information.  His other point that products going 
into candy can come from China but the end product being USA is scary.
I guess that is a good reason not to eat junk food or prepackaged products.  
Sure is inconvenient at times.  
 
Dianne Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:43:04 -0400 From: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTainted Food Alert! CC: 
mdud...@king-cart.com  Good info Marshall.. Whatever it is, it did make 
an awful lot of kids sick in China along with killing a bunch. Better to be 
safe than sorry, the more information you can read through the better, thanks,

Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Clayton Family

Not in mine!  Until I know what something is made of, it does not come 
in my house


Thanks for telling us what it is made of, I had no idea it was made of 
melamine.


Kathryn

On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:34 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Another alert
All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white pad 
known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from malamine.  
I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their mouths, 
I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.
 I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away.  My clients wonder why 
their children are sick. This poison and many others are just a few 
feet away, under every sink,in every utility room in America.

 
Mary
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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread Clayton Family


Thank you very much Marshall, for the informed update.

Kathryn

On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

What they were adding is melamine MONOMER. This is the liquid which 
polymerizes when heated to form melamine plastic after crosslinking 
with formaldehyde.  The stuff is very dangerous from a health 
standpoint, just as other monomers are, such as styrene, methyl 
methacrylate, and polyester resin (Bondo and Clear Cast for example).  
Just breathing any of these monomers can make you sick, yet the 
plastics themselves are ALL FDA approved for use with foods.  Heck, 
most of us have counter tops made of melamine ( Formica and Micarta 
are examples), and most plastic dishes are made from it as well. When 
the monomer is ingested, the kidneys will remove it, and it is toxic. 
But also when combined with urea and in the environment of the urine, 
it tends to polymerized, forming plastic inside the kidneys and kidney 
and bladder stones.  Also it can produce cyanuric acid crystals which 
can lead to kidney failure.  The stones are not only very serious, but 
unlike most toxins that will eventually be flushed out, will likely 
remain there for the rest of the entity's life.



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Re: CSTainted Food Alert!

2008-10-29 Thread indi


Thanks Marshall, that's good information to have. Unfortunately for me,
a lot of my indoor environment (counters, shelves, and cupboards in my 
kitchen and bathroom) is covered with formica. It's old formica, made
in 1973. Do you think it still releases toxins? Maybe my
energy-inefficient habit of keeping windows open even when it's cold
outside and the heat is on has been wiser than I realized...

indi

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:20:25 -0400
Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

 Let me say that first of all, that the guy in the video is wrong
 about them using scrap melamine polymers in the China milk.  Melamine
 polymer is a very stable plastic which not only would pass through
 one's digestive system unchanged and unabsorbed, but also would not
 yield any increase in detected nitrogen when testing for protein
 which was the purpose of adding the melamine. In addition, it would
 form a kind of grit, which would be very easy to detect, it is
 insoluble, and all you have to do is mix the milk powder with water,
 and if it is there, it will be on the bottom and easily detected.
 
 What they were adding is melamine MONOMER. This is the liquid which 
 polymerizes when heated to form melamine plastic after crosslinking
 with formaldehyde.  The stuff is very dangerous from a health
 standpoint, just as other monomers are, such as styrene, methyl
 methacrylate, and polyester resin (Bondo and Clear Cast for
 example).  Just breathing any of these monomers can make you sick,
 yet the plastics themselves are ALL FDA approved for use with foods.
 Heck, most of us have counter tops made of melamine ( Formica and
 Micarta are examples), and most plastic dishes are made from it as
 well. When the monomer is ingested, the kidneys will remove it, and
 it is toxic. But also when combined with urea and in the environment
 of the urine, it tends to polymerized, forming plastic inside the
 kidneys and kidney and bladder stones.  Also it can produce cyanuric
 acid crystals which can lead to kidney failure. The stones are not
 only very serious, but unlike most toxins that will eventually be
 flushed out, will likely remain there for the rest of the entity's
 life.
 
 However, that being said, there CAN be some leaching of
 unpolymerized melamine monomer and formaldehyde used to crosslink in
 melamine plastics. There is an article on this at 
 http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tfac/2006/0023/0009/art00010
  
 .  Thus I would highly recommend washing any melamine dishes in a 
 dishwasher, and using the heated drying cycle before using them.
 Using scrubbing pads made of melamine properly should not be a
 problem, but I would not  put it in my mouth since very small amounts
 of both formaldehyde and melamine monomer could leach out.
 
 Also see 
 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/melamine-and-kidney-failure.html 
 for confirmation of what I am saying.
 Melamine monomer, as opposed to the plastic used to make kitchen 
 utensils and table coverings, itself also has irritant properties. It 
 has been added to various food products to illicitly and fraudulently 
 boost the measured protein content without the expense of actually 
 improving the food’s nutritional value.
 
 Marshall
 
 
 
 mborg...@att.net wrote:
  Another alert
  All of my clients have and use with bare hands that little white
  pad known as mr clean or any number of brands, it is made from
  malamine. 
  I have seen children use it and than put their hands in their
  mouths, I try and warn anyone but everyone loves the poison.
   
  I cannot get anyone yet to throw it away.  My clients wonder why
  their children are sick.
   
  This poison and many others are just a few feet away, under every 
  sink,in every utility room in America.
   
  Mary
 
  -- Original message from kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com:
  --
 
 
  
   From: Brasscheck TV
   Date: 10/29/2008 8:36:14 AM
   To: Linda
   Subject: Brasscheck TV: NEWS BULLETIN
  
  
   I don't often send bulletins, but this is
   potentially very serious.
  
   You have probably heard of the deliberate
   adulteration of infant formula with melamine
   in China.
  
   It killed and injured thousands of children
   there.
  
   What you don't know - because the FDA and others
   don't want you to know - is that as much as
   20 million TONS of Chinese manufactured milk powder
   and products containing milk powder were imported into
   the US from China this year.
  
   Now please read the next part very carefully:
  
   The US...is the ONLY country...including China...
   that has NOT pulled food products containing
   milk powder manufactured in China off its
   shelves.
  
   Please re-reread the previous paragraph carefully.
  
   The person blowing the whistle on this is
   an expert in toy manufacturing who stumbled
   on

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