Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Marshall Dudley]

M. G. Devour wrote:

I wrote:
  

The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by
a past member and a couple of friends...



HA! Marshall beat me to it! 

  
Who what it that keeps telling us to read all messages before beginning 
to reply. LOL.


Masrhal


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Marshall Dudley]

I think that the better ones are covered with a shell that only 
dissolves in the intestines. But that is really an assumption on my part.


Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:

Thanks Mike :)


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Deb asks: 
> I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach

> aciddoes anyone know?

Ooh! Ooh! I know! 



They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
inhospitable pH environments.

Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
always wash their food, after all!

I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
in the blanks. (I skimmed.)

Mike D.

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[poast]

Hello Renee,

I work around these chemicals in industry.  This gives me specific training in 
handling and working around them, and gives me access to industrial hygienists 
for specific questions about exposure.

I have also been involved in some product testing which brought me into contact 
with some of the world leaders in sodium chlorite research and use.

When Jim Humble introduced MMS, a family member asked me to take a look at it.  
I have done extensive research and testing on this over the past 3 years.  I 
started with 40 bottles of MMS.  When I went through that, I ordered 5 kg of 
sodium chlorite powder and have tested my way through about a third of that.

I am involved in wilderness and disaster water purification training and have a 
lot of friends who are medical professionals and are willing to discuss, "off 
the record," alternative treatments.  We have a small group that has taken a 
look at the MMS protocol under "off the record" supervision.

I have also been called upon by a few companies that produce products with 
sodium chlorite in them to help them trouble shoot and solve some problems that 
they were having.

Other than that, I keep discovering more uses for it around the house. 

Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:00 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


Hey Tom.  May I ask how you know so much about sodium chlorite?  Very 
curious as to where this information comes from.  It's all very helpful.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---


I don't know if you have access to sodium chlorite, but on the off 
chance that you do here is a way to concentrate its effectiveness in the lower 
GI tract.
   
  
   

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Renee]

Hey Tom.  May I ask how you know so much about sodium chlorite?  Very
curious as to where this information comes from.  It's all very helpful.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 
 
I don't know if you have access to sodium chlorite, but on the off chance
that you do here is a way to concentrate its effectiveness in the lower GI
tract.
 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[poast]

Hello Dick,

I don't know if you have access to sodium chlorite, but on the off chance that 
you do here is a way to concentrate its effectiveness in the lower GI tract.

First you also need to pick up some bitters.

The procedure goes like this.

Take a small amount of bitters and hold on the back of your tongue for a few 
seconds.  I use about 1/2 teaspoon.  The swallow the bitters.

Wait 20 - 30 minutes, and refrain from eating or drinking during this time.

While you are waiting, take a 1 liter water bottle, fill it with water, then 
add 0.5 ml of 5% sodium chlorite to the water.  Stir or shake to mix.

Next, sip on the liter of water.  Try to drink about a quarter of it right 
away, and the rest you will sip on throughout the day.

Wait about 10 minutes, then you can get on with your normal routine of eating 
and drinking.  Just remember to sip on the remaining mixture throughout the day.

This mixture contains about 15 PPM available chlorine dioxide.  As it hits your 
stomach, it slowly becomes activated.  Starting with an empty stomach it will 
quickly pass to your lower GI tract and complete the activation there.  The 
bitters stimulated your vagus nerve which stimulates the production of stomach 
acid.  

You will probably experience some gas and loose stools from this, so take it 
easy and don't get carried away.  It is best to start with 1 liter of this 
mixture a day, but some people have increased that to 2 liters a day when they 
are experiencing some illness like stomach flu or food poisoning.

Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Goodwin 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


  My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  
The hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

  It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will 
make real improvement.  Still taking silver.

  Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

  So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff 
to flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

  Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

Thanks, Dianne, that's good info.  I will tell my wife.

Interesting about the reporting agenda -- I wonder what they are after.  
Animals?  That makes no sense to me at all.  Then again, neither does most 
of what government does.

Cheers,
Dick





From: Dianne France 
To: silver-list 
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 5:10:58 PM
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

 Dear Dick,
 
I recently also had Salmonella and the doctors had to report it to the health 
agencies.  I got a call from them and told them I also knew exactly where and 
when I got it but they were NOT interested in that being reported, wouldn't 
even take the name of the restaurant.  They wanted to know if I had 
animals...I do believe an agenda is going on here.  CS took care of mine 
but also took antibiotics from the doctor (husband was worried).  When I got it 
I started taking cs immediately but didn't continue long enough.  Didn't know I 
had any left due to no more symptoms but had some other tests done and it 
showed up.  Have tested clear now.  
 
Dianne
 

 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:05:41 -0800
From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 
My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  The 
hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will make 
real improvement.  Still taking silver.

Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff to 
flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

Dick


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Interesting..





From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 8:53:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

That's a great story.  And I have more than once used CS to clean up things 
that were iffy.  Typically it will be a piece of fish that I should have cooked 
a few days ago, and it has been sitting in the fridge too long, and when I 
unwrap it, it has that very strong fish smell to it that tells you it is 
already being enjoyed by some kind of bacteria.

So I put it in the sink, cover it with water, and pour in a little CS.  Let it 
sit for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it smells as sweet as when I bought it.  
And no bad effects from eating it.

Dick




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From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 1:51:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

I wrote:
> The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by
> a past member and a couple of friends...

HA! Marshall beat me to it! 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

That's a great story.  And I have more than once used CS to clean up things 
that were iffy.  Typically it will be a piece of fish that I should have cooked 
a few days ago, and it has been sitting in the fridge too long, and when I 
unwrap it, it has that very strong fish smell to it that tells you it is 
already being enjoyed by some kind of bacteria.

So I put it in the sink, cover it with water, and pour in a little CS.  Let it 
sit for 10 minutes, rinse it off, and it smells as sweet as when I bought it.  
And no bad effects from eating it.

Dick




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From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 1:51:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

I wrote:
> The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by
> a past member and a couple of friends...

HA! Marshall beat me to it! 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[M. G. Devour]

I wrote:
> The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by
> a past member and a couple of friends...

HA! Marshall beat me to it! 



> CS>Walking the Walk, or The Dumb Guys
> 
> Tai-Pan
> Tue, 18 May 1999 02:09:39 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> Greeting Glorious Ones of CS,
> 
>   A Test: Do not do this at home.
> 
>   A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual
> yak-yak about military things.
> 
>   The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said
> they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking CS.
> 
>   A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a
> real "he-man", "macho", "walk the walk" test. Cold brew will do things
> to normally intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but
> please consider who our small group is. One was me, Tai-Pan, ex-seal
> from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, Shannon, from Desert Storm, and one
> ex-82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, Richard, (paratrooper). I`m the oldest,
> they are young guys. 
> 
> The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the CS would prevent 
> problems. 



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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Deborah Gerard]

Thanks Mike :)





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:59:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Deb asks: 
> I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach
> aciddoes anyone know?

Ooh! Ooh! I know! 



They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
inhospitable pH environments.

Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
always wash their food, after all!

I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
in the blanks. (I skimmed.)

Mike D.

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Dick,

Happy to hear your dear wife is on the mend...

> Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her when she ate the tainted
> food, maybe the case would have been milder or not happened at all, but
> ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a whole bunch of
> CS right before or after eating the bad food. 

The following is a relevant, as well as entertaining, experiment run by 
a past member and a couple of friends...

Mike D.


CS>Walking the Walk, or The Dumb Guys

Tai-Pan
Tue, 18 May 1999 02:09:39 -0400 (EDT)

Greeting Glorious Ones of CS,

  A Test: Do not do this at home.

  A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual
yak-yak about military things.

  The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said
they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking CS.

  A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a
real "he-man", "macho", "walk the walk" test. Cold brew will do things
to normally intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but
please consider who our small group is. One was me, Tai-Pan, ex-seal
from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, Shannon, from Desert Storm, and one
ex-82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, Richard, (paratrooper). I`m the oldest,
they are young guys. 

The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the CS would prevent 
problems. We agreed that if anyone became ill we would wait for at 
least a 103f fever before taking CS. If it (the CS) did not work we 
would go to the ER at a fever of 105f. The ER was only a few blocks 
away at Poly Ryan Hospital. Then we decided that one, Richard, would be 
the observer, and the other two would eat the rotten meat. Then we 
decided that one meat would be treated with CS and one not.  

OK, so here we go to Richard`s house and get the rotten meat he was 
going to throw out, it smelled very bad and strong. Richard is baching, 
so whats new. We made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size. 
One was put in a bowl and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS 
and made into a patty again. The other one was untreated. We drew 
straws to see who got each patty. I got the CS one and Shannon got the 
untreated one. We ate them, with a little beer to blunt the taste of 
them. Really macho. :-) Then we waited.  

After half an hour Shannon developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to 
get worse. He had classical symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I 
did not develop any symptoms at all. His temperature began to rise so 
we decided to use the CS right away at about 101.5f. Gave Shannon four 
tablespoons of CS every 15 minutes for 90 minutes (1 1/2 hrs). 
Temperature held steady then began dropping, gave CS at four 
tablespoons every 30 minutes, and by the end of four hours he was 
feeling normal again. Continued CS at four tablespoons once an hour 
until the end of six hours just to make sure the botulism was gone. 
That was Saturday, now its Monday and still OK.  

CS was 9ppm, active.

So whats it prove,(besides our dumb idea). Well, the CS treated meat 
was rendered safe. Can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be 
with CS and use it. Proved it would stop botulism. I usually take CS 
before eating out anyway. Proved we shouldn`t drink so much at one 
time.  

Now Richard and Shannon are using CS. :-) Now I feel better about them 
and their health.  

  Bless you  
 Bob  Lee
-- 
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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dianne France]

Dear Dick,

 

I recently also had Salmonella and the doctors had to report it to the health 
agencies.  I got a call from them and told them I also knew exactly where and 
when I got it but they were NOT interested in that being reported, wouldn't 
even take the name of the restaurant.  They wanted to know if I had 
animals...I do believe an agenda is going on here.  CS took care of mine 
but also took antibiotics from the doctor (husband was worried).  When I got it 
I started taking cs immediately but didn't continue long enough.  Didn't know I 
had any left due to no more symptoms but had some other tests done and it 
showed up.  Have tested clear now.  

 

Dianne
 


Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:05:41 -0800
From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com




My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  The 
hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will make 
real improvement.  Still taking silver.

Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff to 
flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

Dick
  
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

Yeah, we were discounting food poisoning because we figured it wouldn't last 
more than a day or two, but ... 





From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:56:56 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


Well *wow* Dick!!
 
First of all, I'm astounded that food poisoning can go on for that long!  Is 
that normal?  I'm sure that I've had food poisoning in my life, and I've never 
had a two-week reaction.  Or -- is food poisoning different than Salmonella?
 
And second -- what good news that your silver product didn't cause the problem. 
 Certainly gives us *regular CS* users peace of mind that we don't have to 
worry about CS/EIS killing off good bacteria in the bowel!!  
 
So -- thanks for sharing your experience -- we learn from each other!  :-D
MA  





 From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 1:05:41 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  The 
hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will make 
real improvement.  Still taking silver.

Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff to 
flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Well *wow* Dick!!

First of all, I'm astounded that food poisoning can go on for that long!  Is 
that normal?  I'm sure that I've had food poisoning in my life, and I've never 
had a two-week reaction.  Or -- is food poisoning different than Salmonella?

And second -- what good news that your silver product didn't cause the 
problem.  Certainly gives us *regular CS* users peace of mind that we don't 
have to worry about CS/EIS killing off good bacteria in the bowel!!  

So -- thanks for sharing your experience -- we learn from each other!  :-D
MA  





From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 1:05:41 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  The 
hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will make 
real improvement.  Still taking silver.

Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff to 
flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

I remember reading that article -- it was very impressive.

So apparently by not taking the CS right away, she let it get far enough down 
into her intestines so that the CS just didn't reach the infection after that.  
Live and learn.

Dick



- Original Message 
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 2:27:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Richard Goodwin wrote:
> My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  
> The hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows 
> exactly where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to 
> whatever government agency tracks these things.
> 
> It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will 
> make real improvement.  Still taking silver.
> 
> Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
> when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
> happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
> whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.
> 
> So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff 
> to flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.
> 
> Dick
Wow.  You know that if you get food poisoning, salmonella, it can be stopped in 
less than 10 minutes with a swig of colloidal silver.  However if you wait 
until it gets into the intestines the CS is much less effective.

Here is something that was posted to this list on May 18, 1999 that is well 
worth reading to just show how effective EIS is for salmonella:

The following is the reprint of an email that Bob Lee sent to the Colloidal 
Silver list May 18, 1999. It shows just how well colloidal silver ( EIS ) can 
work for severe food poisoning. From my own experiences and those of my friends 
and family we have found it to provide immediate and total relief from all 
occurances of food poisoning we have encountered.

Please note that he refers to the poisoning as botulism, which is incorrect, it 
would actually have been salmonella. But the point is well made:



Greeting Glorious Ones of CS,

A Test: Do not do this at home.

A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual yak-yak 
about military things.

The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said they 
wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking CS

A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a real 
"he-man", "macho", "walk the walk" test. Cold brew will do things to normally 
intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but please consider who 
our small group is. One was me, Tai-Pan, ex-seal from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, 
Shannon, from Desert Storm, and one ex-82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, Richard, 
(paratrooper). I`m the oldest, they are young guys. The test was to eat rotten 
meat and see if the CS would prevent problems. We agreed that if anyone became 
ill we would wait for at least a 103f fever before taking CS. If it (the CS) 
did not work we would go to the ER at a fever of 105f. The ER was only a few 
blocks away at Poly Ryan Hospital. Then we decided that one, Richard, would be 
the observer, and the other two would eat the rotten meat. Then we decided that 
one meat would be treated with CS and one not.

OK, so here we go to Richard`s house and get the rotten meat he was going to 
throw out, it smelled very bad and strong. Richard is baching, so whats new. We 
made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size. One was put in a bowl 
and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS and made into a patty again. 
The other one was untreated. We drew straws to see who got each patty. I got 
the CS one and Shannon got the untreated one. We ate them, with a little beer 
to blunt the taste of them. Really macho. :-) Then we waited. After half an 
hour Shannon developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to get worse. He had 
classical symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I did not develop any symptoms 
at all. His temperature began to rise so we decided to use the CS right away at 
about 101.5f. Gave Shannon four tablespoons of CS every 15 minutes for 90 
minutes (1 1/2 hrs). Temperature held steady then began dropping, gave CS at 
four tablespoons every 30 minutes, and
 by the end of four hours he was feeling normal again. Continued CS at four 
tablespoons once an hour until the end of six hours just to make sure the 
botulism was gone. That was Saturday, now its Monday and still OK. CS was 9ppm, 
active.

So whats it prove,(besides our dumb idea). Well, the CS treated meat was 
rendered safe. Can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be with CS and use 
it. Proved it would stop botulism. I usually take CS before eating out anyway. 
P

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Glad you got it sorted Dick.  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 19:05, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  
> The hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows 
> exactly where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to 
> whatever government agency tracks these things.
> 
> It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will 
> make real improvement.  Still taking silver.
> 
> Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
> when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
> happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
> whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.
> 
> So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff 
> to flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.
> 
> Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Marshall Dudley]

Richard Goodwin wrote:
My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an 
answer:  The hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And 
she knows exactly where it came from and when, which is now going to 
be reported to whatever government agency tracks these things.


It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she 
will make real improvement.  Still taking silver.


Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS 
in her when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been 
milder or not happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would 
have had to swallow a whole bunch of CS right before or after eating 
the bad food.


So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad 
stuff to flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.


Dick
Wow.  You know that if you get food poisoning, salmonella, it can be 
stopped in less than 10 minutes with a swig of colloidal silver.  
However if you wait until it gets into the intestines the CS is much 
less effective.


Here is something that was posted to this list on May 18, 1999 that is 
well worth reading to just show how effective EIS is for salmonella:


The following is the reprint of an email that Bob Lee sent to the 
Colloidal Silver list May 18, 1999. It shows just how well colloidal 
silver ( EIS ) can work for severe food poisoning. From my own 
experiences and those of my friends and family we have found it to 
provide immediate and total relief from all occurances of food poisoning 
we have encountered.


Please note that he refers to the poisoning as botulism, which is 
incorrect, it would actually have been salmonella. But the point is well 
made:




Greeting Glorious Ones of CS,

A Test: Do not do this at home.

A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual 
yak-yak about military things.


The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said 
they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking CS


A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a 
real "he-man", "macho", "walk the walk" test. Cold brew will do things 
to normally intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but 
please consider who our small group is. One was me, Tai-Pan, ex-seal 
from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, Shannon, from Desert Storm, and one 
ex-82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, Richard, (paratrooper). I`m the oldest, 
they are young guys. The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the CS 
would prevent problems. We agreed that if anyone became ill we would 
wait for at least a 103f fever before taking CS. If it (the CS) did not 
work we would go to the ER at a fever of 105f. The ER was only a few 
blocks away at Poly Ryan Hospital. Then we decided that one, Richard, 
would be the observer, and the other two would eat the rotten meat. Then 
we decided that one meat would be treated with CS and one not.


OK, so here we go to Richard`s house and get the rotten meat he was 
going to throw out, it smelled very bad and strong. Richard is baching, 
so whats new. We made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size. 
One was put in a bowl and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS 
and made into a patty again. The other one was untreated. We drew straws 
to see who got each patty. I got the CS one and Shannon got the 
untreated one. We ate them, with a little beer to blunt the taste of 
them. Really macho. :-) Then we waited. After half an hour Shannon 
developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to get worse. He had classical 
symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I did not develop any symptoms at 
all. His temperature began to rise so we decided to use the CS right 
away at about 101.5f. Gave Shannon four tablespoons of CS every 15 
minutes for 90 minutes (1 1/2 hrs). Temperature held steady then began 
dropping, gave CS at four tablespoons every 30 minutes, and by the end 
of four hours he was feeling normal again. Continued CS at four 
tablespoons once an hour until the end of six hours just to make sure 
the botulism was gone. That was Saturday, now its Monday and still OK. 
CS was 9ppm, active.


So whats it prove,(besides our dumb idea). Well, the CS treated meat was 
rendered safe. Can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be with CS 
and use it. Proved it would stop botulism. I usually take CS before 
eating out anyway. Proved we shouldn`t drink so much at one time.


Now Richard and Shannon are using CS. :-) Now I feel better about them 
and their health.


Bless you Bob Lee



Marshall



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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

My wife's diarrhea, going on 2 weeks now, but finally, we have an answer:  The 
hospital lab says she tests positive for Salmonella.  And she knows exactly 
where it came from and when, which is now going to be reported to whatever 
government agency tracks these things.

It is getting better finally, so hopefully in another day or two she will make 
real improvement.  Still taking silver.

Did stopping the CS contribute?  Possibly.  If she had had enough CS in her 
when she ate the tainted food, maybe the case would have been milder or not 
happened at all, but ... maybe not.  She probably would have had to swallow a 
whole bunch of CS right before or after eating the bad food.

So it wasn't the result of CS killing friendly flora and allowing bad stuff to 
flourish, which is a good thing.  CS rules.

Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure muscle test

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I wouldn't know how Deb and confess I am a bit sceptical about this although I 
try and keep an open mind.  I am actually in good health (I think) but have 
always supplemented (off and on) 'just in case' and hopefully, to avoid getting 
anything!  Thank you for the suggestion.  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 14:35, Deborah Gerard wrote:

> Dee...couldn't you muscle test to see what supplement you are in need of?
> thanks Deb
> 
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:05:02 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

Very humorous...

John

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>
>  Yea sure...just be your very own gang.
>  That's "different" ..like a "we of one"
>
> ode
>
> At 08:19 AM 2/18/2010 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I didn't miss any point.  You are still lost in the "gang" mentality.
>>  Something I do not and will never ascribe to.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland <> marmar...@bellsouth.net>marmar...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John:
>>>
>>> You miss the point.
>>>
>>> MA
>>>
>>>
>>> From: John E. Stevens 
>>> jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> MA:
>>>
>>> I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot
>>> be debated, huh?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Marshall Dudley]

Dave Darrin wrote:

Sol
The first thing I noticed were all the things for sale when the page 
came up and at the end of the article. For a not  for profit website 
they have a lot of stuff for sale.
They say Paul Karason's blue skin was partly from putting CS on his 
skin. I have bathed in it a number of times and have no Argeria 
anywhere but my face. He looks more like he bathed in Rit.

Some times experts say things that don't quite ring true in my mind.
Dave

They are wrong, it is partly from putting silver chloride on his skin, 
not colloidal silver. As far as I know he has never ever taken or made 
any true colloidal silver. Silver chloride is what is in photographic 
paper and negatives, so he made his skin into a photographic negative, 
and after exposure to the sun the rest is predictable. In fact one way 
to make a permanent blue tattoo real easily is to put some silver 
chloride or silver nitrate solution on the skin, let it soak in (dmso 
might be useful here), place a stencil over it and expose to blue or uv 
light. Once this is done, apply more silver solution mixed with baking 
soda and a developer, such as caffeine, and let it "develop"..


Warning, strong silver nitrate is very caustic and can cause burns, so 
please know what you are doing if you want to try this.


Marshall


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Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Marshall Dudley]

sol wrote:

At 08:07 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

Sol
The first thing I noticed were all the things for sale when the page 
came up and at the end of the article. For a not  for profit website 
they have a lot of stuff for sale.


Hmm., I looked at it again, and though Jason does sell some products, 
all I saw at either the end of the article or the beginning are ads. 
These ads help pay for the website as I understand it, and since I 
consider the site a valuable resource I personally do not have a 
problem with them, nor with the things Jason does sell. Over the past 
7 years, I can say I believe him to be an ethical person.

sol




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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure muscle test

[Deborah Gerard]

Dee...couldn't you muscle test to see what supplement you are in need of?
thanks Deb





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 7:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure

Oh Lord, Steve, now I am back to my original notion of not taking ANY 
supplements in case of causing imbalance.  Just when I was considering doing 
the liposomal vit C thing too!  Hey ho...back to the drawing board!  dee

On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:26, Norton, Steve wrote:

> About a year ago I emailed a couple of questions to Silver Medicine regarding 
> the argyria cure methods posted there. Jason Eaton was generous enough to 
> reply but unfortunately I can't find his reply in my files. He had personally 
> spoken with the persons who had  their argyria successfully cured and was 
> quite convinced of their veracity. To me, Jason came across as very 
> knowledgeable and not gullible by any means. One thing I found interesting, 
> and not contained on the site, is that one person who eliminated his argyria 
> took a lot of sauna treatments, along with the supplements, to also excrete 
> silver through the skin. I have wondered just how much that benefited his 
> cure and if hot baths containing chelating agents such as bentonite clay or 
> EDTA might help as well. Not having argyria and not anticipating getting it, 
> I hope it is a question I never need to know the answer to.
> 
> Still, I have given it much thought. For whatever that is worth. 
> 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Ode Coyote]

  Yea sure...just be your very own gang.
 That's "different" ..like a "we of one"

ode

At 08:19 AM 2/18/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I didn't miss any point.  You are still lost in the "gang" 
mentality.  Something I do not and will never ascribe to.


John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland 
<marmar...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

John:

You miss the point.

MA


From: John E. Stevens 
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com


MA:

I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot 
be debated, huh?


John




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Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well said N.  dee

On 19 Feb 2010, at 04:21, Neville Munn wrote:

> [...putting CS on his skin.]
> -It's more to do with WHAT he put on his skin wouldn't you say?  But it's no 
> good asking him, cos he wouldn't have a clue?  And neither would anyone else. 
>  I know what he WASN'T putting on his skin though...and that's 
> 'professionally produced EIS'.
>  
> Articles abound in the public domain about this chap, and *they* can say all 
> they like...but never in a million years was he producing anything even 
> *remotely* resembling EIS.  And to my knowledge, even to this day, I don't 
> think anyone has been afforded the opportunity of explanation or 
> rebuttal/defence by the media.  The media is the biggest show not under 
> canvas, and anything *they* say should be taken with...dare I say...a grain 
> of 'salt'...?
>  
> N.
>  

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Oh Lord, Steve, now I am back to my original notion of not taking ANY 
supplements in case of causing imbalance.  Just when I was considering doing 
the liposomal vit C thing too!  Hey ho...back to the drawing board!  dee

On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:26, Norton, Steve wrote:

> About a year ago I emailed a couple of questions to Silver Medicine regarding 
> the argyria cure methods posted there. Jason Eaton was generous enough to 
> reply but unfortunately I can't find his reply in my files. He had personally 
> spoken with the persons who had  their argyria successfully cured and was 
> quite convinced of their veracity. To me, Jason came across as very 
> knowledgeable and not gullible by any means. One thing I found interesting, 
> and not contained on the site, is that one person who eliminated his argyria 
> took a lot of sauna treatments, along with the supplements, to also excrete 
> silver through the skin. I have wondered just how much that benefited his 
> cure and if hot baths containing chelating agents such as bentonite clay or 
> EDTA might help as well. Not having argyria and not anticipating getting it, 
> I hope it is a question I never need to know the answer to.
> 
> Still, I have given it much thought. For whatever that is worth. 
> 


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RE: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Neville Munn]

[...putting CS on his skin.]
-It's more to do with WHAT he put on his skin wouldn't you say?  But it's no 
good asking him, cos he wouldn't have a clue?  And neither would anyone else.  
I know what he WASN'T putting on his skin though...and that's 'professionally 
produced EIS'.
 
Articles abound in the public domain about this chap, and *they* can say all 
they like...but never in a million years was he producing anything even 
*remotely* resembling EIS.  And to my knowledge, even to this day, I don't 
think anyone has been afforded the opportunity of explanation or 
rebuttal/defence by the media.  The media is the biggest show not under canvas, 
and anything *they* say should be taken with...dare I say...a grain of 
'salt'...?
 
N.
 


Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:07:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
From: davedar...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Sol
The first thing I noticed were all the things for sale when the page came up 
and at the end of the article. For a not  for profit website they have a lot of 
stuff for sale.
They say Paul Karason's blue skin was partly from putting CS on his skin. I 
have bathed in it a number of times and have no Argeria anywhere but my face. 
He looks more like he bathed in Rit.
Some times experts say things that don't quite ring true in my mind.
Dave


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM, sol  wrote:


Umm, profit motive? Seriously? Whose?
sol 


At 10:30 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

Sol
I've been taking E and Selenium at the afore mentioned dose for almost six 
years as a matter of course but only took the other stuff for the three months 
I mentioned. Some info I have read says the two over a long time frame is all 
you need. Definitely wrong in my case.
The article is partially right but tainted by the profit motive I believe.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM, sol  wrote:



http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html


  
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Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

At 08:07 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

Sol
The first thing I noticed were all the things for sale when the page 
came up and at the end of the article. For a not  for profit website 
they have a lot of stuff for sale.


Hmm., I looked at it again, and though Jason does sell some products, 
all I saw at either the end of the article or the beginning are ads. 
These ads help pay for the website as I understand it, and since I 
consider the site a valuable resource I personally do not have a 
problem with them, nor with the things Jason does sell. Over the past 
7 years, I can say I believe him to be an ethical person.

sol

Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Sol
The first thing I noticed were all the things for sale when the page came up
and at the end of the article. For a not  for profit website they have a lot
of stuff for sale.
They say Paul Karason's blue skin was partly from putting CS on his skin. I
have bathed in it a number of times and have no Argeria anywhere but my
face. He looks more like he bathed in Rit.
Some times experts say things that don't quite ring true in my mind.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM, sol  wrote:

>  Umm, profit motive? Seriously? Whose?
> sol
>
>
> At 10:30 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
>
> Sol
> I've been taking E and Selenium at the afore mentioned dose for almost six
> years as a matter of course but only took the other stuff for the three
> months I mentioned. Some info I have read says the two over a long time
> frame is all you need. Definitely wrong in my case.
> The article is partially right but tainted by the profit motive I believe.
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM, sol  wrote:
>
>  http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html
>
>

Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

Umm, profit motive? Seriously? Whose?
sol

At 10:30 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

Sol
I've been taking E and Selenium at the afore mentioned dose for 
almost six years as a matter of course but only took the other stuff 
for the three months I mentioned. Some info I have read says the two 
over a long time frame is all you need. Definitely wrong in my case.

The article is partially right but tainted by the profit motive I believe.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM, sol 
<sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com> wrote:

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Deborah Gerard]

Thanks Sandy,
Deb





From: Sandy 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 12:44:08 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


Hi Deb,

That's a great question! This is what I found real quick but I will do more 
research.

Take a probiotic with meals rather than on an empty stomach so as to dilute it 
with food and keep it away from the stomach’s potent acid. In addition, go 
light on the fats and oils, either vegetable or animal, as any fat in food will 
delay the stomach’s emptying. The longer the probiotic stays in contact with 
the stomach acid, the more likely the acid will kill the bacteria.

http://allaboutkefir.blogspot.com/2009/12/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html

Sandy


Disclaimer: Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own 
opinions and should not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Deborah Gerard  wrote:


>From: Deborah Gerard 
>Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>Hi Sandy,
> 
>I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach aciddoes 
>anyone know?
>thanks Deb
>
>
>

From: Sandy 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 11:47:49 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>
>
>Hi Dick,
>
>I absolutely agree with your 1 and 2. I do not over indulge in taking CS and I 
>always take probiotics just in case because I have a very touchy digestive 
>tract. I make and take Kefir which is loaded with the highest amount of 
>probiotics you can get just about anywhere else. The others are also good but 
>the Kefir is much better...IMHO.
>
>.
>> 
>
> 



  

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hardly.  I found my way to, and successfully used and learned to make CS/EIS 
long before I ever found this list.  But I've learned a great deal here -- 
refinements, if you will -- and continue to do so.  For instance -- I've 
learned that it's unlikely that daily consumption of CS/EIS will harm normal 
bowel bacteria -- due to the nature of both CS/EIS and the consistency of 
normal bowel contents.  And that is obviously something that you have not 
learned yet.  

Stick around John -- a little *gang mentality* might rub off on ya!
MA





From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com

I didn't miss any point.  You are still lost in the "gang" mentality.  
Something I do not and will never ascribe to.

John


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland  
wrote:

John:
>
>You miss the point.
>
>MA
>
>
>
>

From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
>
>MA:
>
>I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot be 
>debated, huh?  
>
>John 
>
>
>
>
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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - Silver Medicine cure

[Norton, Steve]

About a year ago I emailed a couple of questions to Silver Medicine regarding 
the argyria cure methods posted there. Jason Eaton was generous enough to reply 
but unfortunately I can't find his reply in my files. He had personally spoken 
with the persons who had  their argyria successfully cured and was quite 
convinced of their veracity. To me, Jason came across as very knowledgeable and 
not gullible by any means. One thing I found interesting, and not contained on 
the site, is that one person who eliminated his argyria took a lot of sauna 
treatments, along with the supplements, to also excrete silver through the 
skin. I have wondered just how much that benefited his cure and if hot baths 
containing chelating agents such as bentonite clay or EDTA might help as well. 
Not having argyria and not anticipating getting it, I hope it is a question I 
never need to know the answer to.

Still, I have given it much thought. For whatever that is worth. 

Marshall's wife had some limited success with a supplement that contained a 
variety of chelating agents. (BTW, Marshall's wife only has grey moons.) That 
goes along with the thoughts that I have had. I would try taking a variety of 
supplements that would hopefully put the deposited silver back into solution. 
This would be those substances that can enter the cell itself such as cilantro, 
ALA, NAC, chlorella, etc. Along with them I would use substances that cannot 
enter the cells but could bind and remove the silver after it re-enters the 
blood stream. This would include substances such as EDTA, bentonite clay and 
zeolite. Since EDTA and silver particles are removed through the kidney's, I 
would drink LOTS of water. I would consider drinking only distilled water, 
since distilled water can help dissolve and remove heavy metals. And finally, I 
would try saunas and/or chelating baths.

Most forms of selenium are highly reactive with silver but have the drawback of 
increasing silver deposition in the tissues. I would stop taking CS well before 
starting the use of selenium. I would also use the supplements above for a 
while first as well to reduce the silver in vivo. Then I would use selenium. 
While the selenium might deposit silver in the tissues, studies have shown that 
most of the silver is deposited in internal tissues. So you hope to take silver 
from the skin tissues and move it to the internal tissues where it can't be 
seen and causes no harm.
I would take vitamin E to support the liver, esp. while taking the selenium.

I am leery of vitamin C. In some instances, vitamin C is known to reduce silver 
compounds or protein bound silver to metallic silver. Several studies have 
speculated that the metallic silver found deposited in the skin cells of 
argyria victims may be due to silver reduction by vitamin C. 
Also, since much of the silver found deposited in the skin cells of argyria 
victims is a silver-sulfur compound, I am also leery of the use of MSM even 
though some  silver-sulfur compounds are highly soluble in water. 

The next issue is all these chelators removing necessary minerals and trace 
metals from the body. Good minerals and trace metals will need to be 
replenished periodically. So a person will need to decide on a supplement 
schedule that alternates between silver removal and mineral replenishment. The 
chelator supplement that Marshall's wife used would have you take the chelator 
in the morning and the mineral supplement at night (or vice versa). Personally, 
I would try a schedule where I would take the chelator for several days to a 
week and then the mineral supplements for several days. 

Again, these are just my thoughts and speculation. 

- Steve N
- 

From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Mike
  Never let it be said I am belittling Jason It's just that he had this 
reported to him from a source he trusted but not from his personal experiences. 
Most everyone here that reports this miracle cure is doing the same thing 
because they trust their source which is not the same as a personal anecdote
which is far more believable.
  I did run across a way to  remove argeria in small areas but it entails 
removing the skin in that spot and leting it grow back. I inadvertently 
accomplished this by barking the top of my head while working under a car. Now 
I have three very pale areas on my scalp. No scars though- it wasn't that 
deep-Not recommended as a protocol.
Dave
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
> Richard
>  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
> if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
Dear Dave,

Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
protocol, is a 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Dan
That sounds interesting . I've thought about using a defoliant as the grey
is so near the surface but haven't tried yet.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> There is an oriental technique called "Gua Sha" - scraping out the toxins.
> I wonder if this might work for you.  It is not actually removing the
> skin, but it is "scraping" back and forth over the skin with an edge
> (maybe like the edge of an unserrated butter knife), with olive oil or
> some oil as a lubricant.  I had it done extensively a couple of years
> ago and it was great for the skin.
>
> Dan
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Dave Darrin 
> wrote:
> > Mike
> >   Never let it be said I am belittling Jason It's just that he had this
> > reported to him from a source he trusted but not from his personal
> > experiences. Most everyone here that reports this miracle cure is doing
> the
> > same thing because they trust their source which is not the same as a
> > personal anecdote
> > which is far more believable.
> >   I did run across a way to  remove argeria in small areas but it entails
> > removing the skin in that spot and leting it grow back. I inadvertently
> > accomplished this by barking the top of my head while working under a
> car.
> > Now I have three very pale areas on my scalp. No scars though- it wasn't
> > that deep-Not recommended as a protocol.
> > Dave
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Richard
> >> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
> >> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> >> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
> >>
> >> Dear Dave,
> >>
> >> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
> >> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
> >> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
> >>
> >> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
> >> you used and the duration of your attempt?
> >>
> >> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
> >> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
> >> to look into. Have you already?
> >>
> >> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
> >> Richard.
> >>
> >> Be well,
> >>
> >> Mike D.
> >>
> >> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> >> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> >> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
> >>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dan Nave]

Dave,

There is an oriental technique called "Gua Sha" - scraping out the toxins.
I wonder if this might work for you.  It is not actually removing the
skin, but it is "scraping" back and forth over the skin with an edge
(maybe like the edge of an unserrated butter knife), with olive oil or
some oil as a lubricant.  I had it done extensively a couple of years
ago and it was great for the skin.

Dan

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:
> Mike
>   Never let it be said I am belittling Jason It's just that he had this
> reported to him from a source he trusted but not from his personal
> experiences. Most everyone here that reports this miracle cure is doing the
> same thing because they trust their source which is not the same as a
> personal anecdote
> which is far more believable.
>   I did run across a way to  remove argeria in small areas but it entails
> removing the skin in that spot and leting it grow back. I inadvertently
> accomplished this by barking the top of my head while working under a car.
> Now I have three very pale areas on my scalp. No scars though- it wasn't
> that deep-Not recommended as a protocol.
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
>>
>> > Richard
>> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
>> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
>> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
>>
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
>> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
>> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
>>
>> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
>> you used and the duration of your attempt?
>>
>> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
>> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
>> to look into. Have you already?
>>
>> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
>> Richard.
>>
>> Be well,
>>
>> Mike D.
>>
>> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
>> [mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
>> [Speaking only for myself...               ]
>>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Mike
  Never let it be said I am belittling Jason It's just that he had this
reported to him from a source he trusted but not from his personal
experiences. Most everyone here that reports this miracle cure is doing the
same thing because they trust their source which is not the same as a
personal anecdote
which is far more believable.
  I did run across a way to  remove argeria in small areas but it entails
removing the skin in that spot and leting it grow back. I inadvertently
accomplished this by barking the top of my head while working under a car.
Now I have three very pale areas on my scalp. No scars though- it wasn't
that deep-Not recommended as a protocol.
Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> > Richard
> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
>
> Dear Dave,
>
> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
>
> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
> you used and the duration of your attempt?
>
> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
> to look into. Have you already?
>
> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
> Richard.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

Thank you all for all the suggestions -- I have passed them all along...
Dick

Re: Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Sol
I've been taking E and Selenium at the afore mentioned dose for almost six
years as a matter of course but only took the other stuff for the three
months I mentioned. Some info I have read says the two over a long time
frame is all you need. Definitely wrong in my case.
The article is partially right but tainted by the profit motive I believe.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM, sol  wrote:

>   http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html
>
> This article (I believe Mike mentioned it so I went to look) is a
> must-read. Also follow some of the hot links from it.
>
> Apologies Dave, but it looks like the supplements you took were not quite
> correct, nor taken for long enough. Check it out.
> sol
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I don't know if it is or isn't, I just know it happens.  The argyria is not 
permanent in *some* people either as there has been reliable testimony to prove 
this.  Its just that some unfortunate individuals do not seem to be able to 
remove the colouring from their system.  Maybe the same holds true for those 
who are orange who knows?  IMO It all boils down to individuals and the way 
they handle things, and also to know your own body and what it is doing.  

On 18 Feb 2010, at 15:28, Dave Darrin wrote:

> Dee
>  Possibly because the carrot yellow isn't permanent. Do you suppose?
> Dave
> 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Another suggestion Dick: is she taking electrolytes as well because sometimes 
the balance gets upset?  Just a thought.  dee

On 18 Feb 2010, at 15:11, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...
> 
> More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's 
> week+ -long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial 
> theory that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off 
> friendly flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now 
> thinking that it may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub sandwich 
> she bought at some dive and ate about an hour before the first symptoms 
> showed up.  They are testing for this, and will know more in another day or 
> so.
> 
> Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week prior 
> to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be getting 
> to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the problem is 
> getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't been able to 
> convince her to try the turkey baster approach...
> 
> Dick

RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Norton, Steve]

Dick,

If you have some powdered zeolite or bentonite clay you might consider
hydrating them in CS. The silver will bind to the  zeolite or bentonite
and the zeolite or bentonite coats the intestinal wall after ingestion.
It may be a way of getting some silver where you want it. The zeolite or
bentonite by itself may help as well.

-  Steve N

 

From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

 

The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...

More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's
week+ -long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their
initial theory that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS
killing off friendly flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.
They are now thinking that it may be e-coli infection, food poisoning,
from a sub sandwich she bought at some dive and ate about an hour before
the first symptoms showed up.  They are testing for this, and will know
more in another day or so.

Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week
prior to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to
be getting to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the
problem is getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I
haven't been able to convince her to try the turkey baster approach...

Dick

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Gayla Roberts]

Perhaps if you got a Fleet enema, threw away the liquid and filled it with 
CS your wife would be more receptive to the idea. The idea of a turkey 
baster is innovative, but personally I would use something else. Or you can 
go to a feed store and buy a catheter tip 60 cc syringe (that's 2 ounces). 
That would do the job and is easy to disinfect afterward.

Gayla


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:

The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...


I told her that the problem is
getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't been able 
to

convince her to try the turkey baster approach...

Dick



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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[sol]

At 07:24 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

Perhaps you’re letting your kefir mature too long?

When I first started I did that say thing – and 
indeed every batch was sour and I drank it 
because I knew it was good for me not because I 
liked it much. Then I started to make kefir in 
shorter amounts of time (a day…less than a day 
etc.). Experiment and you should be able to get your kefir so it’s not so sour…


Probably, but young kefir does not have nearly as 
much benefit from what I have read on Dom's site, 
and on the Kefir email list, and it also retains 
much more lactose, and hence more carbohydrate, 
which I wanted to avoid (the carbs that is). And 
the kefir I used to make kefir cheese was not the 
young kefir, as best I recall.
I'm going to pick up some milk today and start 
reviving my grains if they are still viable. I 
was able to revive them in under two weeks 
previously after they had been frozen for at least 18 months.
But even the young kefir gave me the GI 
adventures, interestingly, eating the grains 
themselves did not. That may be because eating 
the grains gives the full  complement of the 
microbial community that constitute the "grains"? Just a speculation.

sol

Argryia article, was Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html

This article (I believe Mike mentioned it so I went to look) is a 
must-read. Also follow some of the hot links from it.


Apologies Dave, but it looks like the supplements you took were not 
quite correct, nor taken for long enough. Check it out.

sol 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

Good idea -- I'll pass that along...  so to speak...  :-)



- Original Message 
From: Dan Nave 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 10:54:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

For intestinal cleaning, you should take a large amount at one time,
like 1/2 to 1 cup.  (On an empty stomach.)

Dan

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:
> The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...
>
> More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's
> week+ -long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial
> theory that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off
> friendly flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now
> thinking that it may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub
> sandwich she bought at some dive and ate about an hour before the first
> symptoms showed up.  They are testing for this, and will know more in
> another day or so.
>
> Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week prior
> to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be getting
> to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the problem is
> getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't been able to
> convince her to try the turkey baster approach...
>
> Dick
>


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

That's a good idea -- I'll see how it flies.  Thanks!





From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 10:42:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Dick
 Maybe the hot water bottle deusch (sp)might be more attractive to the fair sex.
Your body uptakes the water in the lower intestine and delivers the silver to 
many places that you can't get it to--That's my take on it anyway.
Dave


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Richard Goodwin  
wrote:

The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...
>
>More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's week+ 
>-long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial theory 
>that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off friendly 
>flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now thinking that it 
>may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub sandwich she bought at 
>some dive and ate about an hour before the first symptoms showed up.  They are 
>testing for this, and will know more in another day or so.
>
>Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week prior 
>to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be getting 
>to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her
> that the problem is getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I 
> haven't been able to convince her to try the turkey baster approach...
>
>Dick
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dan Nave]

For intestinal cleaning, you should take a large amount at one time,
like 1/2 to 1 cup.  (On an empty stomach.)

Dan

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:
> The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...
>
> More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's
> week+ -long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial
> theory that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off
> friendly flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now
> thinking that it may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub
> sandwich she bought at some dive and ate about an hour before the first
> symptoms showed up.  They are testing for this, and will know more in
> another day or so.
>
> Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week prior
> to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be getting
> to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the problem is
> getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't been able to
> convince her to try the turkey baster approach...
>
> Dick
>


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Dick
 Maybe the hot water bottle deusch (sp)might be more attractive to the fair
sex.
Your body uptakes the water in the lower intestine and delivers the silver
to many places that you can't get it to--That's my take on it anyway.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Richard Goodwin
wrote:

> The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...
>
> More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's
> week+ -long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial
> theory that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off
> friendly flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now
> thinking that it may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub
> sandwich she bought at some dive and ate about an hour before the first
> symptoms showed up.  They are testing for this, and will know more in
> another day or so.
>
> Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week
> prior to that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be
> getting to the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the
> problem is getting the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't
> been able to convince her to try the turkey baster approach...
>
> Dick
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Dee
 Possibly because the carrot yellow isn't permanent. Do you suppose?
Dave

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> On the subject of argyria and the possible need to exercise caution, as I
> said before, the same applies to anything at all.  You just have to be
> sensible about things.  After all, if you eat too many carrots you will turn
> orange, but no-one *warns* people to be cautious about eating carrots, do
> they?  dee
>
> On 17 Feb 2010, at 18:39, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

The montezuma's revenge saga continues ...

More tests have come back from the hospital, trying to explain my wife's week+ 
-long diarrhea, and all have been negative so far.  So their initial theory 
that it was some overgrowth of bacteria due to the CS killing off friendly 
flora is no longer holding water, so to speak.  They are now thinking that it 
may be e-coli infection, food poisoning, from a sub sandwich she bought at some 
dive and ate about an hour before the first symptoms showed up.  They are 
testing for this, and will know more in another day or so.

Needless to say, she now wishes she hadn't stopped taking EIS the week prior to 
that.  And having resumed taking it since then doesn't seem to be getting to 
the root of the problem, so to speak.  I told her that the problem is getting 
the EIS to where the bacteria are, but so far I haven't been able to convince 
her to try the turkey baster approach...

Dick

RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[Lisa]

Perhaps you're letting your kefir mature too long?

 

When I first started I did that say thing - and indeed every batch was sour
and I drank it because I knew it was good for me not because I liked it
much. Then I started to make kefir in shorter amounts of time (a day.less
than a day etc.). Experiment and you should be able to get your kefir so
it's not so sour.

 

Lisa

 

  _  

From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

 

Leftover whey can be used to soak grains.
Kefir can be used to make sourdough bread with no other yeast added.
Etc, etc, etc.
Check out this site   http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

I get a pang when people talk about Kefir, because I made it for 2 years and
never could tolerate it. It invariably gave me GI misadventures. I still
have some grains stored in the freezer, which I took out and got going again
about 6 months ago, maybe more, so I need to take them out again, and if I
do, I will try drinking the Kefir again, but don't expect any better results
than I had before. 
I ruined a lot of smoothies with Kefir--I hate the sour taste, which came
through everything. And I  hated the Kefir cheese, I guess I simply don't
like sour. 
And yes, I know I had good grains, and I know my grains made good Kefir, I
spent a lot of time learning about it. I did like the taste of young Kefir,
but it is supposed to be most beneficial when "mature" i.e. very sour. 
Like everything else, it just isn't for everyone. 
But notice I still don't pitch the grains out, LOL. 
sol

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

I didn't miss any point.  You are still lost in the "gang" mentality.
Something I do not and will never ascribe to.

John

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> John:
>
> You miss the point.
>
> MA
>
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> MA:
>
> I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot be
> debated, huh?
>
> John
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Ode Coyote]

 Or is it that nothing ever works the same for everyone?
Like, if you had a Selenium deficiency to start with, some other metal 
overload may still be compromising it's intended function even while 
supplementing it.
 Selenium is key to the regulation of a many metals and it seems logical 
that it would do the important ones first and the harder to get to and 
least important ones last...the body, all the while regulating Selenium to 
avoid being poisoned by it.


Ode



At 09:38 AM 2/17/2010 -0800, you wrote:

That's great information!  Thanks!

Next question is:  If the vit # and selenium treatment doesn't work, is 
there anything that does?


Dick


From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:30:44 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Richard
  I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a 
turkey baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the 
problem immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and 
stopping any itching instantly while they heal.
  I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and 
selenium and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at all.

Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Richard Goodwin 
<<mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, 
and while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good 
time to send out some preliminary information about things that can go 
wrong with the way EIS can be made and/or used.


First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our 
Dr. about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been 
diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, 
all lyme symptoms having disappeared.


The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- 
light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and 
gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and 
external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in 
it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.


He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many 
in the beginning.


He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby 
he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the 
"soup" after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at 
his suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 
2000 v at 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup 
completely clear after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and 
higher, which we all thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very 
well.  No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.


My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have 
noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit 
more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most 
likely making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, 
so I have stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with 
no arcing and with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver 
citrate for spraying, which seems to work great.


So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray 
color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started 
taking the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out 
there to get rid of the gray color.


Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything 
in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, 
with no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our 
Dr is out of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly 
open-minded and understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the 
EIS concept, and was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most 
of them are.


His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition 
is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long 
time, then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all 
gone, and therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed 
that she could have any one or more of several infections going on that 
are causing her diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. 
Difficile might be one of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well 
as others.


The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test 
results will be available over the next few days.


She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, 
because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we 
needed them.


Well now we have.  Or at least she has.

The Dr suggested going 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Ode Coyote]

  You can't avoid taking probiotics, they are in the air and food...doing 
that on purpose is just a bit faster.


Ode


At 08:34 AM 2/17/2010 -0800, you wrote:

So the new caveat is:  Probiotics -- can't hurt, might help!  :-)
MA


From: Richard Goodwin 
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com



We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:

1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you 
shouldn't turn gray or blue.


2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C. 
Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.




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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Ode Coyote]

  Anything that is to become or remain strong needs some exercise.
 Kids SHOULD eat mud pies.

..when you run out of reasons to remember, forgetting could be a good thing?
or, don't keep fixing it if it ain't broken anymore.

Ode



At 08:22 AM 2/17/2010 -0800, you wrote:
OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time 
to send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong 
with the way EIS can be made and/or used.


First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been 
diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, 
all lyme symptoms having disappeared.


The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- 
light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and 
gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and 
external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in 
it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.


He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in 
the beginning.


He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby 
he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" 
after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his 
suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v 
at 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely 
clear after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we 
all thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu 
shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.


My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have 
noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit 
more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely 
making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I 
have stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no 
arcing and with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate 
for spraying, which seems to work great.


So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray 
color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started 
taking the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out 
there to get rid of the gray color.


Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything 
in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, 
with no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our 
Dr is out of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly 
open-minded and understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the 
EIS concept, and was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most 
of them are.


His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition 
is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long 
time, then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all 
gone, and therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that 
she could have any one or more of several infections going on that are 
causing her diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile 
might be one of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others.


The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test 
results will be available over the next few days.


She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, 
because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we 
needed them.


Well now we have.  Or at least she has.

The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some 
standard AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and 
keep that up.  She is starting to get better.


We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:

1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you 
shouldn't turn gray or blue.


2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C. 
Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.


I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group.

Dick


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

On the subject of argyria and the possible need to exercise caution, as I said 
before, the same applies to anything at all.  You just have to be sensible 
about things.  After all, if you eat too many carrots you will turn orange, but 
no-one *warns* people to be cautious about eating carrots, do they?  dee

On 17 Feb 2010, at 18:39, Dave Darrin wrote:



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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Sandy]

Where would we...oops, I mean "I" be without Google? :*

S

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From: M. G. Devour 
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 4:59 PM

Deb asks: 
> I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach
> aciddoes anyone know?

Ooh! Ooh! I know! 



They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
inhospitable pH environments.

Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
always wash their food, after all!

I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
in the blanks. (I skimmed.)

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Sandy]

Hi Deb,

That's a great question! This is what I found real quick but I will do more 
research.

Take a probiotic with meals rather than on an empty stomach so as to
dilute it with food and keep it away from the stomach’s potent acid. In
addition, go light on the fats and oils, either vegetable or animal, as
any fat in food will delay the stomach’s emptying. The longer the
probiotic stays in contact with the stomach acid, the more likely the
acid will kill the bacteria.

http://allaboutkefir.blogspot.com/2009/12/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html

Sandy


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From: Deborah Gerard 
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 8:36 PM



Hi Sandy,
 
I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach aciddoes 
anyone know?
thanks Deb




From: Sandy 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 11:47:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?





Hi Dick,

I absolutely agree with your 1 and 2. I do not over indulge in taking CS and I 
always take probiotics just in case because I have a very touchy digestive 
tract. I make and take Kefir which is loaded with the highest amount of 
probiotics you can get just about anywhere else. The others are also good but 
the Kefir is much better...IMHO.

Glad to hear you and your wife have had good results taking CS and that her 
latest problems are now going away. I'm especially happy to hear there are 
Dr's. out there who are coming around to CS and other alternative methods. 
Pretty soon they are going to have to admit alternatives are working and with 
hardly any side effects than what pharma offers us...much cheaper too.

Best regards,
Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should 
not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[M. G. Devour]

No, Sol, my answer was more an extrapolation of what I learned in 
biology back in school. Your information is definitely interesting!

How do we colonize the gut naturally, if not by eating "contaminated" 
food? Are you saying that the probiotic varieties or those specific 
preparations are too fragile to do that job, whereas other forms would 
survive?

Mike D.

> Mike, I have never seen proof that probiotics survive far enough into
> the GI tract to establish/colonize, though I have seen some info that
> seemed convincing that they do not. Have you seen a reliable study or
> test result that shows that they do get through to colonize? The
> bacteria species that sporulate that I've seen in probiotic products are
> not ones I want colonizing my gut, but that's just my personal take on
> it. sol
> 
> 
> At 04:04 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
> >Deb asks:
> > > I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach
> > > aciddoes anyone know?
> >
> >Ooh! Ooh! I know! 
> >
> >
> >
> >They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
> >to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
> >inhospitable pH environments.
> >
> >Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
> >symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
> >environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
> >always wash their food, after all!
> >
> >I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
> >in the blanks. (I skimmed.)
> 

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

Mike, I have never seen proof that probiotics survive far enough into 
the GI tract to establish/colonize, though I have seen some info that 
seemed convincing that they do not. Have you seen a reliable study or 
test result that shows that they do get through to colonize?
The bacteria species that sporulate that I've seen in probiotic 
products are not ones I want colonizing my gut, but that's just my 
personal take on it.

sol


At 04:04 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

Deb asks:
> I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach
> aciddoes anyone know?

Ooh! Ooh! I know! 



They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
inhospitable pH environments.

Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
always wash their food, after all!

I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
in the blanks. (I skimmed.)

RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[sol]

At 02:03 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

I have 4 quarts of Kefir grains and I started out with only 2 
tablespoons. When their happy they make so many so fast you do not 
know what to do with them. I've tried to give them to my family but 
they turn their noses up to them...it's their loss.
I forgot about the extra grainsI ate mine. They are the 
only part of Kefir I really enjoyed, LOL.
If you have so many extra, when I try refreshing my frozen grains 
(which will be in the next few days), if they don't revive would you 
consider sharing some of your extra with me?

thanks,
sol 

RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[sol]

Leftover whey can be used to soak grains.
Kefir can be used to make sourdough bread with no other yeast added.
Etc, etc, etc.
Check out this site   http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

I get a pang when people talk about Kefir, because I made it for 2 
years and never could tolerate it. It invariably gave me GI 
misadventures. I still have some grains stored in the freezer, which 
I took out and got going again about 6 months ago, maybe more, so I 
need to take them out again, and if I do, I will try drinking the 
Kefir again, but don't expect any better results than I had before.
I ruined a lot of smoothies with Kefir--I hate the sour taste, which 
came through everything. And I  hated the Kefir cheese, I guess I 
simply don't like sour.
And yes, I know I had good grains, and I know my grains made good 
Kefir, I spent a lot of time learning about it. I did like the taste 
of young Kefir, but it is supposed to be most beneficial when 
"mature" i.e. very sour.

Like everything else, it just isn't for everyone.
But notice I still don't pitch the grains out, LOL.
sol

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[M. G. Devour]

Deb asks: 
> I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach
> aciddoes anyone know?

Ooh! Ooh! I know! 



They're probably in the form of spores, which have to be tough enough
to survive drying out, temperature swings, and, presumably,
inhospitable pH environments.

Probably the reason many of those intestinal organisms became human
symbiotes is because they made spores that could survive in the
environment and be consumed with food. Our ancient ancestors didn't
always wash their food, after all!

I just looked, and the Wikipedia article on spores seem like it'd fill
in the blanks. (I skimmed.)

Mike D.

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Deborah Gerard]

Hi Sandy,
 
I always wondered how the probiotics make it thru the stomach aciddoes 
anyone know?
thanks Deb



From: Sandy 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 11:47:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


Hi Dick,

I absolutely agree with your 1 and 2. I do not over indulge in taking CS and I 
always take probiotics just in case because I have a very touchy digestive 
tract. I make and take Kefir which is loaded with the highest amount of 
probiotics you can get just about anywhere else. The others are also good but 
the Kefir is much better...IMHO.

Glad to hear you and your wife have had good results taking CS and that her 
latest problems are now going away. I'm especially happy to hear there are 
Dr's. out there who are coming around to CS and other alternative methods. 
Pretty soon they are going to have to admit alternatives are working and with 
hardly any side effects than what pharma offers us...much cheaper too.

Best regards,
Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should 
not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

John
  I just happen to have the old bottles so I can answer you.
 The Schiff natural Selenium is "Natural  high selenium yeast" whatever that
means.
 The vitamin E is Nature made dl-alpha tocopheryl Acetate. I don't see
anything that says synthetic.
Dave




On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:11 PM, John E. Stevens <
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave:
>
> Whole food selenium or synthetic?  What kind of Vit E?  Mixed tocopherols
> and tocotrienols?  Or d-alpha tocopherol?  Whole food?  Or synthetic?
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:
>
>> Mike
>> I took 800 iu of E and 400mcg of selenium and a couple of other things -
>> don't remember what they were now -with them about a year ago for three
>> months. I don't remember who posted the regimen but I followed it and there
>> was no change I could see.
>>  Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour wrote:
>>
>>> > Richard
>>> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
>>> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
>>> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
>>>
>>> Dear Dave,
>>>
>>> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
>>> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
>>> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
>>>
>>> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
>>> you used and the duration of your attempt?
>>>
>>> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
>>> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
>>> to look into. Have you already?
>>>
>>> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
>>> Richard.
>>>
>>> Be well,
>>>
>>> Mike D.
>>>
>>> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
>>> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
>>> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>>>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

John:

You miss the point.

MA





From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com

MA:

I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot be 
debated, huh?  

John




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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

Dave:

Whole food selenium or synthetic?  What kind of Vit E?  Mixed tocopherols
and tocotrienols?  Or d-alpha tocopherol?  Whole food?  Or synthetic?

John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> Mike
> I took 800 iu of E and 400mcg of selenium and a couple of other things -
> don't remember what they were now -with them about a year ago for three
> months. I don't remember who posted the regimen but I followed it and there
> was no change I could see.
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:
>
>> > Richard
>> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
>> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
>> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
>>
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
>> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
>> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
>>
>> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
>> you used and the duration of your attempt?
>>
>> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
>> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
>> to look into. Have you already?
>>
>> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
>> Richard.
>>
>> Be well,
>>
>> Mike D.
>>
>> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
>> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
>> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>>
>>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Mike
I took 800 iu of E and 400mcg of selenium and a couple of other things -
don't remember what they were now -with them about a year ago for three
months. I don't remember who posted the regimen but I followed it and there
was no change I could see.
Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> > Richard
> >  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
> > if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> > have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
>
> Dear Dave,
>
> Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that
> protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at
> the very least we can say he is not making it up.
>
> It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage
> you used and the duration of your attempt?
>
> He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
> based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you
> to look into. Have you already?
>
> Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too,
> Richard.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Neville Munn]

Yeah I heard, but I DIDN'T hear anything I didn't already know or suspect, and 
I haven't got a draw stuffed full of academia degrees or diplomas even.
 
What I'd LIKE to hear is that some do more research and learn more before 
attempting something {not having a go Dick so don't go slapping that table on 
me}.  If more people were to give more considered thought about some things 
they do and not just do them on someone elses say so praps, or go on what is 
found in the public domain, {again, I'm *NOT* aiming that at you Dick so keep 
your shirt on}, then a lot of issues could be avoided.  EIS is not a miracle 
cure, there's EIS and there's EIS, which of the two should be considered has 
the least risk factor? And the public domain is NOT full of experts either.  
{oops, there's an opinion}.
 
OK, I'm willing to lead with my chin again, just to *prove* I'm a solitary 
animal and NOT part of a 'gang', I believe that that selenium ect combo may 
actually do more harm than good...in the short term...I believe *IF* that combo 
of stuff works at all it needs to be used in VERY VERY small amounts over a 
VERY VERY long time, I believe the 'flushing' process is too rapid...There, 
how's THAT for an opinion?  But I'll not discuss it cos it's only an opinion 
with NOTHING to back it up, so I won't need to put my guard up.
 
 Want any more opinions?..I'm full of em.
 
N.
 


Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:45:22 -0500
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Good points, Dick.  Adds a lot to what I said originally about being careful in 
the use of colloidal silver water.  hopefully others are listening...

John

  
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[M. G. Devour]

> Richard
>  Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as
> if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort. 

Dear Dave,

Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that 
protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at 
the very least we can say he is not making it up.

It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage 
you used and the duration of your attempt?  

He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser-
based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you 
to look into. Have you already?

Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too, 
Richard.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[Sandy]

So true, Dave...

I drink the whey. There is no sense in throwing the whey away :). I've read 
it's also very good for plants. You would not believe how much whey the Kefir 
makes. I pour my it into an unbleached cotton bag, hang it in the fridge for a 
couple of days and have my quark and whey.

I have not found one negative thing about making and taking Kefir...I highly 
recommend it to everyone.

I have 4 quarts of Kefir grains and I started out with only 2 tablespoons. When 
their happy they make so many so fast you do not know what to do with them. 
I've tried to give them to my family but they turn their noses up to 
them...it's their loss.

Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should 
not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Norton, Steve  wrote:

From: Norton, Steve 
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 1:34 PM




 
 






Sandy, 

I was unfamiliar with Kefir quark cheese. It looks very
interesting and I will have to try it. Additionally it looks to be a good
source of undenatured whey as a byproduct. Plus the Kefir also works to reduce
the lactose sugars in the whey. What do you do with the leftover whey? 

- 
Steve N 

   



From: Sandy
[mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:01 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir 



   


 
  
  Hi Steve,

  

  Actually, I use both but mainly use the milk Kefir. I also make Kefir quark
  because I try to stick to the Budwig diet as much as possible. The quark
  makes a nice consistency when mixing with flax oil and fruit or for salad
  dressings...it tastes really great too. I also make smoothies with the milk
  kefir.

  

  Sandy

  

  Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and
  should not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

  

  --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Norton, Steve 
  wrote: 
  

  From: Norton, Steve 

  Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

  To: silver-list@eskimo.com

  Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:53 AM 
  
  Sandy,

  

  Are you using a water or milk kefir?

  

  - Steve N

  

  From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com]
  

  

  

  

   
  
  
 


   



 




  

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[cking001]

Well the info is incomplete as to dosage...

I don't have a problem, but I've always used high dose E (1000 mg) and
200mcg Selenium for part of my mega supplement regimen.

Chuck
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder
to find one.


On 2/17/2010 1:39:32 PM, Dave Darrin (davedar...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Richard
>  Sorry to say I
> haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as if they know absolutely 
> that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't
> have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
> Dave
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Richard Goodwin  com [link: mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com]> wrote:
> That's great information!  Thanks!
> 
> Next question is:  If the vit # and selenium treatment doesn't
> work, is there anything that does?
> 
> Dick


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[cking001]

That's a really great report!
It should be in a blog somewhere.

Marshall...how about your "theory of everything"?

Chuck
Go with the flow!
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you never get that tea.


On 2/17/2010 11:22:32 AM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and
> while
> I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to send 
> out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the way 
> EIS can be made and/or used.
> 
> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. 
>  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme 
> symptoms having disappeared.
> 
> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light 
> to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
> sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external 
> spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for 
> external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
> 
> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in 
> the beginning.
> 
> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he 
> arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" after 
> it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his suggestion, 
> used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Tony
Yes to the niacin as I take 2 grams daily to keep the circulation to my feet
going.
Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tony Moody  wrote:

> On 17 Feb 2010 at 9:30, Dave Darrin wrote about :
> Subject : Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>
> > Richard
> >   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a
> >   turkey
> > baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
> > immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
> > itching instantly while they heal.
> >   I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and
> > selenium and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at
> > all. Dave
> >
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Did you use niacin with the Vit E and Selenium ?
>
> Tony
>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

MA:

I find you most humorous...  So Dick said so an so...  His proof cannot be
debated, huh?

John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:40 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

> John -- I am sure that Dick is just thrilled that you approve of his post,
> and is no doubt composing his letter of gratitude to you at this very
> moment.
>
> For myself, I find your self-congratulatory post piggy-backed onto his very
> informative one gratuitous and annoying (and we *are* supposed to think
> for ourselves, right?  After all, you said so!).  Nothing that Dick said in
> his post supports your claim that "CS will kill off some of the good
> bacteria in the intestines if used daily". If anything, his acknowledgement
> that he made silver nitrate and consumed that for years supports the general
> claim of this group that EIS, as we make it here, is a very safe product
> (insert nod here to the threshhold issue that Mike reminded me of
> yesterday).
>
> If I may -- and I speak only for myself -- you might find yourself a more
> valued member of the list here if you would *share* your convictions, rather
> than issue edicts, and acknowledge it when something you say proves to be
> wrong and/or inadequate.  And refrain from belittling people who do not
> agree with you.  Hopefully, *you're* listening.
> Very best regards,
> Mary Ann
>
>  --
> *From:* John E. Stevens 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 17, 2010 11:45:22 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>
> Good points, Dick.  Adds a lot to what I said originally about being
> careful in the use of colloidal silver water.  hopefully others are
> listening...
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin <
> dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and
>> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to
>> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with
>> the way EIS can be made and/or used.
>>
>> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr.
>> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been
>> diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all
>> lyme symptoms having disappeared.
>>
>> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea --
>> light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and
>> gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and
>> external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in
>> it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>>
>> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in
>> the beginning.
>>
>> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby
>> he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup"
>> after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his
>> suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at
>> 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear
>> after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all
>> thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu
>> shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.
>>
>> My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have
>> noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit
>> more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely
>> making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have
>> stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and
>> with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying,
>> which seems to work great.
>>
>> So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray
>> color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking
>> the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to
>> get rid of the gray color.
>>
>> Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything
>> in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with
>> no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is
>> out of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and
>> understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and
>> was not nasty, sarcas

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

John -- I am sure that Dick is just thrilled that you approve of his post, and 
is no doubt composing his letter of gratitude to you at this very moment.

For myself, I find your self-congratulatory post piggy-backed onto his very 
informative one gratuitous and annoying (and we are supposed to think for 
ourselves, right?  After all, you said so!).  Nothing that Dick said in his 
post supports your claim that "CS will kill off some of the good bacteria in 
the intestines if used daily". If anything, his acknowledgement that he made 
silver nitrate and consumed that for years supports the general claim of this 
group that EIS, as we make it here, is a very safe product (insert nod here to 
the threshhold issue that Mike reminded me of yesterday).

If I may -- and I speak only for myself -- you might find yourself a more 
valued member of the list here if you would *share* your convictions, rather 
than issue edicts, and acknowledge it when something you say proves to be wrong 
and/or inadequate.  And refrain from belittling people who do not agree with 
you.  Hopefully, you're listening.
Very best regards,
Mary Ann  





From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 11:45:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Good points, Dick.  Adds a lot to what I said originally about being careful in 
the use of colloidal silver water.  hopefully others are listening...

John


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin  
wrote:

OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
way EIS can be made and/or used.
>
>First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
>about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed.  
>The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme symptoms 
>having disappeared.
>
>The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light 
>to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
>sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external spraying. 
> He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for external 
>spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>
>He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in the 
>beginning.
>
>He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he 
>arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" after 
>it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his suggestion, 
>used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max.  
>This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, 
>and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty 
>cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many 
>other great uses for it.
>
>My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have noticed 
>some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit more than I 
>have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making silver 
>nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped making 
>that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low voltage 
>and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems to work 
>great.
>
>So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray color. 
> My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking the 
>vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to get 
>rid of the gray color.
>
>Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in 
>her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no 
>sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out of 
>town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and 
>understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was 
>not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.
>
>His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is 
>just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then 
>suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and 
>therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could 
>have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her 
>diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of 
>them, so he tested explicitly for that as well 

RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[Norton, Steve]

Sandy,

I was unfamiliar with Kefir quark cheese. It looks very interesting and
I will have to try it. Additionally it looks to be a good source of
undenatured whey as a byproduct. Plus the Kefir also works to reduce the
lactose sugars in the whey. What do you do with the leftover whey?

-  Steve N

 

From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

 

Hi Steve,

Actually, I use both but mainly use the milk Kefir. I also make Kefir
quark because I try to stick to the Budwig diet as much as possible. The
quark makes a nice consistency when mixing with flax oil and fruit or
for salad dressings...it tastes really great too. I also make smoothies
with the milk kefir.

Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and
should not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Norton, Steve  wrote:


From: Norton, Steve 
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:53 AM

Sandy,

Are you using a water or milk kefir?

- Steve N

From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] 





 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Tony Moody]

On 17 Feb 2010 at 9:30, Dave Darrin wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

> Richard
>   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a
>   turkey
> baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
> immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
> itching instantly while they heal.
>   I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and
> selenium and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at
> all. Dave
> 


Hi Dave,

Did you use niacin with the Vit E and Selenium ? 

Tony


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Eee -- gross





From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:41:51 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Ha-Ha
You mean it might enhance the flavor??


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:

Interesting, but I'm going to have to turn down your invitation for 
Thanksgiving dinner. 
>
>
>
>On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dave Darrin  wrote:
>
>Richard
>>  I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a turkey 
>>baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem 
>>immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any 
>>itching instantly while they heal.
>>
>
>-- 
>Alan Jones
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Ha-Ha
You mean it might enhance the flavor??

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Alan Jones  wrote:

> Interesting, but I'm going to have to turn down your invitation for
> Thanksgiving dinner.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
>> Richard
>>   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a
>> turkey baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
>> immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
>> itching instantly while they heal.
>>
>
>
> --
> Alan Jones
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Richard
 Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as if they
know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't have Argeria
it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort.
Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Richard Goodwin
wrote:

> That's great information!  Thanks!
>
> Next question is:  If the vit # and selenium treatment doesn't work, is
> there anything that does?
>
> Dick
>
> --
> *From:* Dave Darrin 
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 17, 2010 12:30:44 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>
> Richard
>   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a
> turkey baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
> immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
> itching instantly while they heal.
>   I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and
> selenium and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at
> all.
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Richard Goodwin <
> dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and
>> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to
>> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with
>> the way EIS can be made and/or used.
>>
>> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr.
>> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been
>> diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all
>> lyme symptoms having disappeared.
>>
>> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea --
>> light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and
>> gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and
>> external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in
>> it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>>
>> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in
>> the beginning.
>>
>> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby
>> he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup"
>> after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his
>> suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at
>> 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear
>> after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all
>> thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu
>> shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.
>>
>> My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have
>> noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit
>> more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely
>> making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have
>> stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and
>> with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying,
>> which seems to work great.
>>
>> So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray
>> color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking
>> the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to
>> get rid of the gray color.
>>
>> Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything
>> in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with
>> no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is
>> out of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and
>> understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and
>> was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.
>>
>> His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition
>> is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time,
>> then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and
>> therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could
>> have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her
>> diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one
>> of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others.
>>
>> The C. Diffici

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

LMAO!  dee

On 17 Feb 2010, at 18:01, Alan Jones wrote:

> Interesting, but I'm going to have to turn down your invitation for 
> Thanksgiving dinner.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dave Darrin  wrote:
> Richard
>   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a turkey 
> baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem 
> immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any 
> itching instantly while they heal.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan Jones

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Donna]

LOL
Donna ACS

Interesting, but I'm going to have to turn down your invitation for 
Thanksgiving dinner.


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dave Darrin > wrote:


Richard
  I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS
in a turkey baster administered rectally. It has never failed to
stop the problem immediately as well as completely healing
haemorrhoids, and stopping any itching instantly while they heal.



--
Alan Jones

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Alan Jones]

Interesting, but I'm going to have to turn down your invitation for
Thanksgiving dinner.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> Richard
>   I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a
> turkey baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
> immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
> itching instantly while they heal.
>


-- 
Alan Jones

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

Good points, Dick.  Adds a lot to what I said originally about being careful
in the use of colloidal silver water.  hopefully others are listening...

John

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin  wrote:

> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and
> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to
> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with
> the way EIS can be made and/or used.
>
> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr.
> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been
> diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all
> lyme symptoms having disappeared.
>
> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea --
> light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and
> gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and
> external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in
> it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>
> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in
> the beginning.
>
> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby
> he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup"
> after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his
> suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at
> 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear
> after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all
> thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu
> shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.
>
> My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have
> noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit
> more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely
> making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have
> stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and
> with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying,
> which seems to work great.
>
> So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray
> color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking
> the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to
> get rid of the gray color.
>
> Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in
> her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no
> sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out
> of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and
> understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and
> was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.
>
> His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is
> just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time,
> then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and
> therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could
> have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her
> diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one
> of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others.
>
> The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test
> results will be available over the next few days.
>
> She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately,
> because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we
> needed them.
>
> Well now we have.  Or at least she has.
>
> The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some
> standard AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep
> that up.  She is starting to get better.
>
> We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:
>
> 1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you
> shouldn't turn gray or blue.
>
> 2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C.
> Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.
>
> I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group.
>
> Dick
>
>
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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

I'm always happy to share my mistakes.  :-)

Now if I can just find an argyria treatment that actually works...





- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:32:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Thanks for your info Dick, it is good to have anecdotal experiences recorded in 
order to get a broader picture of what to do and what *not* to do.  dee

On 17 Feb 2010, at 16:22, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
> way EIS can be made and/or used.
> 
> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. 
>  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme 
> symptoms having disappeared.
> 
> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light 
> to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
> sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external 
> spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for 
> external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
> 
> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in 
> the beginning.
> 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

That's great information!  Thanks!

Next question is:  If the vit # and selenium treatment doesn't work, is there 
anything that does?

Dick





From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 12:30:44 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Richard
  I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a turkey 
baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem 
immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any 
itching instantly while they heal.
  I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and selenium 
and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at all.
Dave


On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Richard Goodwin  
wrote:

OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
way EIS can be made and/or used.
>
>>First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
>>about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. 
>> The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme 
>>symptoms having disappeared.
>
>>The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light 
>>to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
>>sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external 
>>spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for 
>>external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>
>>He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in 
>>the beginning.
>
>>He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he 
>>arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" after 
>>it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his suggestion, 
>>used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max.  
>>This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, 
>>and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty 
>>cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and 
>>many other great uses for it.
>
>>My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have 
>>noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit more 
>>than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making 
>>silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped 
>>making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low 
>>voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems 
>>to work great.
>
>>So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray 
>>color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking 
>>the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to 
>>get rid of the gray color.
>
>>Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in 
>>her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no 
>>sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out 
>>of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and 
>>understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was 
>>not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.
>
>>His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is 
>>just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then 
>>suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and 
>>therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could 
>>have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her 
>>diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of 
>>them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others.
>
>>The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test 
>>results will be available over the next few days.
>
>>She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, because 
>>neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we needed them.
>
>>Well now we have.  Or at least she has.
>
>>The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some standard 
>>AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for your info Dick, it is good to have anecdotal experiences recorded in 
order to get a broader picture of what to do and what *not* to do.  dee

On 17 Feb 2010, at 16:22, Richard Goodwin wrote:

> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
> way EIS can be made and/or used.
> 
> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. 
>  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme 
> symptoms having disappeared.
> 
> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light 
> to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
> sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external 
> spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for 
> external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
> 
> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in 
> the beginning.
> 


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Dave Darrin]

Richard
  I have had excellent diarrhoea control with about an oz. of CS in a turkey
baster administered rectally. It has never failed to stop the problem
immediately as well as completely healing haemorrhoids, and stopping any
itching instantly while they heal.
  I have tried the so called argeria cure treatment with vitamin E and
selenium and will tell all who may be interested that it has no affect at
all.
Dave

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Richard Goodwin
wrote:

> OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and
> while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to
> send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with
> the way EIS can be made and/or used.
>
> First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr.
> about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been
> diagnosed.  The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all
> lyme symptoms having disappeared.
>
> The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea --
> light to dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and
> gold, and sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and
> external spraying.  He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in
> it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking.
>
> He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in
> the beginning.
>
> He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby
> he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup"
> after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his
> suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at
> 200 ma max.  This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear
> after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all
> thought was pretty cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu
> shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it.
>
> My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have
> noticed some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit
> more than I have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely
> making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have
> stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and
> with low voltage and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying,
> which seems to work great.
>
> So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray
> color.  My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking
> the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to
> get rid of the gray color.
>
> Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in
> her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no
> sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out
> of town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and
> understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and
> was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.
>
> His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is
> just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time,
> then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and
> therefore some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could
> have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her
> diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one
> of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others.
>
> The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test
> results will be available over the next few days.
>
> She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately,
> because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we
> needed them.
>
> Well now we have.  Or at least she has.
>
> The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some
> standard AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep
> that up.  She is starting to get better.
>
> We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:
>
> 1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you
> shouldn't turn gray or blue.
>
> 2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C.
> Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.
>
> I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group.
>
> Dick
>
>
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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[Sandy]

Hi Steve,

Actually, I use both but mainly use the milk Kefir. I also make Kefir quark 
because I try to stick to the Budwig diet as much as possible. The quark makes 
a nice consistency when mixing with flax oil and fruit or for salad 
dressings...it tastes really great too. I also make smoothies with the milk 
kefir.

Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should 
not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Norton, Steve  wrote:

From: Norton, Steve 
Subject: RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:53 AM

Sandy,

Are you using a water or milk kefir?

 - Steve N

From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] 









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RE: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS? - kefir

[Norton, Steve]

Sandy,

Are you using a water or milk kefir?

 - Steve N

From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:48 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Hi Dick,

I absolutely agree with your 1 and 2. I do not over indulge in taking CS
and I always take probiotics just in case because I have a very touchy
digestive tract. I make and take Kefir which is loaded with the highest
amount of probiotics you can get just about anywhere else. The others
are also good but the Kefir is much better...IMHO.

Glad to hear you and your wife have had good results taking CS and that
her latest problems are now going away. I'm especially happy to hear
there are Dr's. out there who are coming around to CS and other
alternative methods. Pretty soon they are going to have to admit
alternatives are working and with hardly any side effects than what
pharma offers us...much cheaper too.

Best regards,
Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and
should not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.








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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Sandy]

Hi Dick,

I absolutely agree with your 1 and 2. I do not over indulge in taking CS and I 
always take probiotics just in case because I have a very touchy digestive 
tract. I make and take Kefir which is loaded with the highest amount of 
probiotics you can get just about anywhere else. The others are also good but 
the Kefir is much better...IMHO.

Glad to hear you and your wife have had good results taking CS and that her 
latest problems are now going away. I'm especially happy to hear there are 
Dr's. out there who are coming around to CS and other alternative methods. 
Pretty soon they are going to have to admit alternatives are working and with 
hardly any side effects than what pharma offers us...much cheaper too.

Best regards,
Sandy

Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should 
not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Richard Goodwin  wrote:

From: Richard Goodwin 
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:22 AM

OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
way EIS can be made and/or used.

First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed.  
The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme symptoms 
having disappeared.

The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light to 
dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external spraying.  
He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for external spraying 
or soaking only, not for drinking.

He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in the 
beginning.

He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he 
arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" after 
it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his suggestion, 
used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max.  
This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, 
and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty 
cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many 
other great uses for it.

My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have noticed 
some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit more than I 
have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making silver 
nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped making 
that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low voltage 
and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems to work 
great.

So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray color.  
My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking the 
vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to get rid 
of the gray color.

Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in 
her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no 
sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out of 
town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and 
understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was 
not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.

His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is 
just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then 
suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and therefore 
some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could have any one 
or more of several infections going on that are causing her diarrhea, and he 
was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of them, so he tested 
explicitly for that as well as others.  

The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test 
results will be available over the next few days.

She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, because 
neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we needed them.

Well now we have.  Or at least she has.

The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some standard 
AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep that up.  
She is starting to get better.

We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:

1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge 

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

So the new caveat is:  Probiotics -- can't hurt, might help!  :-)
MA





From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com


We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:

1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you shouldn't 
turn gray or blue.

2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C. 
Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.



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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[Richard Goodwin]

OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and 
while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to 
send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the 
way EIS can be made and/or used.

First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. 
about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed.  
The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme symptoms 
having disappeared.

The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light to 
dark brown.  He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and 
sometimes mixed in other things.  This was for drinking and external spraying.  
He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for external spraying 
or soaking only, not for drinking.

He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in the 
beginning.

He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he 
arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the "soup" after 
it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well.  He, and I at his suggestion, 
used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max.  
This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, 
and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty 
cool.  And it worked very well.  No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many 
other great uses for it.

My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have noticed 
some grayness around her face.  She has always taken quite a bit more than I 
have.  A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making silver 
nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped making 
that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low voltage 
and current.  Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems to work 
great.

So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray color.  
My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking the 
vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to get rid 
of the gray color.

Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea.  Couldn't keep anything in 
her, and had no appetite for anything anyway.  After a week of this, with no 
sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out of 
town for the week.  There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and 
understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was 
not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are.

His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is 
just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then 
suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and therefore 
some other infection takes over.  The Dr believed that she could have any one 
or more of several infections going on that are causing her diarrhea, and he 
was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of them, so he tested 
explicitly for that as well as others.  

The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness.  The other test 
results will be available over the next few days.

She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, because 
neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we needed them.

Well now we have.  Or at least she has.

The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some standard 
AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep that up.  
She is starting to get better.

We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this:

1.  Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you shouldn't 
turn gray or blue.

2.  Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them.  A nice fat C. 
Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening.

I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group.

Dick


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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Whoops -- that should have been *damned with faint praise*!!  :-)





From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 2:58:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?


Hmmm -- think I been damned with high praise -- LOL.  

Actually, Mike -- I wasn't thinking of the argyria thing (dark fingernails) 
when I made my comment.  And should have.  But I guess I think that is SO 
unimportant compared to the serious problems that were solved along the way, 
that it hasn't registered on my *alarm* system yet.  Probably would if it was 
MY dark fingernails (smile) -- but maybe not.

Regardless -- point taken -- and so well-put that I feel gently nudged rather 
than hit over the head with a ball-bat.  Thanks for that.
MA





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:32:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

John writes:
> Everyone is a know-it-all.  Steve Barrett is no friend of mine!  Don't
> be careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do...  Use it slip-shod.
> doesn't matter to me.  Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one
> is thinking for themselves.

It's not an either-or thing, folks.

John, the "Blue Man" is so irrelevant to what MaryAnn was saying that 
what you said *does* sound like Quackwatch scare tactics; just as your 
unqualified statement that daily use *will* harm the flora both 
contradicts extensive experience and was potentially harmful. 

Far more relevant are the solid, informative discussions we've had in 
the last few weeks, documenting and analyzing two real, live cases of 
generalized argyria. These gentlemen used CS that appears to fit our 
definition of "good" in such large amounts for so long that it 
obviously overcame their bodies' ability to excrete it.

Somewhere between the demonstrably harmless 'swig-a-day' and 'a half-
liter a day for 2 years' now known to have caused at least one or two 
cases of argyria, we have resolved a threshold, one that we formerly 
did not recognize. That's where MaryAnn's comments show that we still 
need to adjust our thinking to include this new information.  

"Careful" now needs to apply to very aggressive EIS use, MaryAnn, sadly 
enough. This news enhances the importance of the advice to supplement 
with selenium and vitamin E to support elimination when using silver in 
large amounts, just as we acknowledge that probiotics will be helpful 
when enough silver *is* being taken for it to harm the flora.

Simple disagreement with your opinions is not justification for 
accusing other members of "gang mentality," John. Your opinions are 
welcome, but do not demand immunity from dissent.

Finally, I wish to deal with a minor issue: 

John Stevens: 

Just to be sure, I want to mention that on a few occasions in the last 
several weeks, I've made postings like this one, intended to referee 
these minor disputes *and* encourage improvement in the behavior of 
those involved, e.g., my remark addressed to you just above.

Your lack of response to some of these makes me worry that you might 
have added my address to your kill-file or are experiencing some other 
technical difficulty that prevents you seeing messages from me. 

So, please let me know that you have seen and read this message? Thank 
you very much!

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner

Dee wrote:
> > Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS
> > and is on this list, could actually *say* this!  Sounds like
> > Quackwatch!  dee
> >

John E. Stevens wrote:
> > Not true, Maryann.  One does have to be careful - check out the
> > "Blue-Man..."

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> >> If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on
> >> this list, it's that you don't have to "be careful" in the use of CS.
> >>  Not the kind that we make.  One should be careful of *purchased* CS,
> >> and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but
> >> the hallmark of what we do here is "can't hurt, might help".  FWIW MA

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[John E. Stevens]

You're a very funny lady.  We-ism's.  You speak for the whole gang, huh?
Please.  Are you afraid to speak for yourself?  You aren't the leader of
"we," sorry to say.
I don't take King Pharma's antibiotics.  I haven't for over 35 years.  I
know the dangers of them.  I don't even take aspirin.  You speak to
"newbies" like they're aware of argyria...  and they aren't.  You speak like
you're a so-called master of CSW and you aren't.  You're very dangerous, not
to me because I read right through you, but very dangerous to the "newbies"
who are looking for true information.  When you speak in your "we-isms,"
they may take it like you're speaking for everyone on silverlist, which you
are not.  Get some guts, girl.  Speak for yourself and let others do the
same.

John

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Sandy  wrote:

> Tell me, John, what do you think we come here for? Speaking for myself I
> came here to learn the proper way to make and take CS and can only assume
> that's why the majority of us are here...I cannot speak for why you might be
> here. If you're here to inform this forum of argyria, then It's pretty safe
> to say "we" are all aware of it. Not everyone who uses CS will suffer from
> it and the ones who do there are treatments they can use to take care of the
> problem.
>
> Since this is a public forum and "we" are all reading it I think of it as a
> community of like minded individuals so feel I can speak with a certain
> amount of we-"ism" when addressing certain topics.
>
> Have you considered the benefits of using CS far out weigh the prospects of
> getting argyria? Maybe you could speak to that? Tell us the risks of taking
> antibiotics? Personally speaking I have nearly died from taking Sulfa drugs
> for a urinary tract infection. However, I've never came close to dying from
> taking CS or getting argyria.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandy
>
> The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that
> will allow a solution.
>
> Bertrand Russell
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, John E. Stevens *wrote:
>
>
> From: John E. Stevens 
> Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:58 PM
>
> Please.  don't speak for "we."  Speak for yourself...  We, we, we...  all
> the way home...  Incredible!
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sandy 
> http://mc/compose?to=hollis302...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I do not believe anyone on this forum thinks of themselves as a "know it
>> all." It's just that we all came here with the desire to make CS correctly
>> so as not to be like the "blue man." Quite clearly the blue man was not
>> making his CS correctly and was using it incorrectly. Not only did he
>> consume it everyday for years and years he also rubbed it on his body. He
>> knew it was making him blue but he continued to abuse it instead of finding
>> out why this was happening. I believe he enjoyed the notoriety his blue
>> condition was giving him. He did a great disservice to those of us who make
>> our own CS by going on all the talk shows and claiming...this is what
>> homemade colloidal silver did to me.
>>
>> We are careful, that's why we are here and hopefully why newbs come
>> here...to learn the correct why of making CS so as not to turn blue. I do
>> not know of one person here who makes their CS in a slip-shod
>> method...course, I cannot speak for you. ;)
>>
>> I personally do not take CS everyday nor would I but I'm certainly not
>> going to criticize anyone else who may. I have enough faith in this group
>> that they make and take CS responsibly and will guide any newbs to do the
>> same.
>>
>> Please calm down...no one is ganging up on you. We are giving our opinions
>> just like you are.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandy
>>
>> The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that
>> will allow a solution.
>>
>> Bertrand Russell
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, John E. Stevens 
>> http://mc/compose?to=jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: John E. Stevens 
>> http://mc/compose?to=jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>> Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com <http://mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:40 AM
>>
>> Everyone is a kn

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

At 06:40 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote:


  The statement that started this thread is "CS will kill off some 
of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily".  I *think* 
that is unprovable.


Given that the statement included nothing about type or ppm of the 
"CS" nor amount taken daily, it certainly seems unprovable to me. In 
certain circumstances, if the ppm was  high enough, or enough was 
taken daily (2 liters?) maybe it could, but since it didn't  happen 
to me, I think it would be more of an individual reaction, and I 
can't see it happening at low doses.


My pet rabbit's drinking water is disitlled water with a little 
EIS.(1 TBS of my approx 12 ppm EIS in approx a quart ). He has gotten 
this for his water for many years now, every single day. He shows no 
indication of any  harm to his gut bacteria. Rabbits digestion (and 
their lives) depend on the large and varied population of bacteria 
contained in a "cecum" a large liquid bacterial soup filled second 
stomach that is basically a fermenting chamber. Perfect conditions 
for CS to kill off bacteria.  Rabbit cecums contain both aerobic and 
anerobic bacteria (don't see how ithat is true, but that is what was 
said) and gram positive and gram negative bacteria of many different 
species. Therefore I keep his dose low.
However another person on the SilverPets list has said she gives her 
rabbits a much larger amount of CS in their water, she does use tap 
water to dilute it though, which I believe affects the silver 
effectiveness negatively.  She has said she has even give rabbits 
straight CS I don't recall the ppm, but think it was lower that what 
I make. I have never done that, and won't, as I still consider it risky.
People give CS to horses, too. I think Trem told me once his horses 
get CS, but don't recall if that was daily or not. At any rate the 
dose my rabbit gets has not killed him nor did it kill any of my 
other rabbits, so daily use isn't the concern. Type, ppm, and amount 
of CS may be the determining factors though, even in rabbits who have 
the perfect place for CS to do its work and kill off their gut 
bacteria. Dysbiosis and/or loss of the cecum bacteria can kill a rabbit.


BTW, that small daily dose was enough to prevent one of my other 
rabbits from constantly dribbling urine., and I actually got into CS 
for the bunnies, the recommendation to put a little CS in their water 
to help my urine dribbler is what started me off on this adventure 
almost 8 years ago.

sol

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hmmm -- think I been damned with high praise -- LOL.  

Actually, Mike -- I wasn't thinking of the argyria thing (dark fingernails) 
when I made my comment.  And should have.  But I guess I think that is SO 
unimportant compared to the serious problems that were solved along the way, 
that it hasn't registered on my *alarm* system yet.  Probably would if it was 
MY dark fingernails (smile) -- but maybe not.

Regardless -- point taken -- and so well-put that I feel gently nudged rather 
than hit over the head with a ball-bat.  Thanks for that.
MA





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:32:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

John writes:
> Everyone is a know-it-all.  Steve Barrett is no friend of mine!  Don't
> be careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do...  Use it slip-shod.
> doesn't matter to me.  Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one
> is thinking for themselves.

It's not an either-or thing, folks.

John, the "Blue Man" is so irrelevant to what MaryAnn was saying that 
what you said *does* sound like Quackwatch scare tactics; just as your 
unqualified statement that daily use *will* harm the flora both 
contradicts extensive experience and was potentially harmful. 

Far more relevant are the solid, informative discussions we've had in 
the last few weeks, documenting and analyzing two real, live cases of 
generalized argyria. These gentlemen used CS that appears to fit our 
definition of "good" in such large amounts for so long that it 
obviously overcame their bodies' ability to excrete it.

Somewhere between the demonstrably harmless 'swig-a-day' and 'a half-
liter a day for 2 years' now known to have caused at least one or two 
cases of argyria, we have resolved a threshold, one that we formerly 
did not recognize. That's where MaryAnn's comments show that we still 
need to adjust our thinking to include this new information.  

"Careful" now needs to apply to very aggressive EIS use, MaryAnn, sadly 
enough. This news enhances the importance of the advice to supplement 
with selenium and vitamin E to support elimination when using silver in 
large amounts, just as we acknowledge that probiotics will be helpful 
when enough silver *is* being taken for it to harm the flora.

Simple disagreement with your opinions is not justification for 
accusing other members of "gang mentality," John. Your opinions are 
welcome, but do not demand immunity from dissent.

Finally, I wish to deal with a minor issue: 

John Stevens: 

Just to be sure, I want to mention that on a few occasions in the last 
several weeks, I've made postings like this one, intended to referee 
these minor disputes *and* encourage improvement in the behavior of 
those involved, e.g., my remark addressed to you just above.

Your lack of response to some of these makes me worry that you might 
have added my address to your kill-file or are experiencing some other 
technical difficulty that prevents you seeing messages from me. 

So, please let me know that you have seen and read this message? Thank 
you very much!

Be well,

Mike D.
list owner

Dee wrote:
> > Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS
> > and is on this list, could actually *say* this!  Sounds like
> > Quackwatch!  dee
> >

John E. Stevens wrote:
> > Not true, Maryann.  One does have to be careful - check out the
> > "Blue-Man..."

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> >> If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on
> >> this list, it's that you don't have to "be careful" in the use of CS.
> >>  Not the kind that we make.  One should be careful of *purchased* CS,
> >> and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but
> >> the hallmark of what we do here is "can't hurt, might help".  FWIW MA

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Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[MaryAnn Helland]

So John -- if two or more people here disagree with something that you say, 
they don't have a valid viewpoint, they have *gang mentality* -- ??  And are 
automatically guilty of *slip-shod* behavior -- ??   And are *know-it-alls* -- 
??  Hmm.  Interesting perspective
MA




From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:40:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

Everyone is a know-it-all.  Steve Barrett is no friend of mine!  Don't be 
careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do...  Use it slip-shod.  doesn't 
matter to me.  Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one is thinking for 
themselves.

John


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS and is on 
this list, could actually *say* this!  Sounds like Quackwatch!  dee 
>
>
>On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:37, John E. Stevens wrote:
>
>Not true, Maryann.  One does have to be careful - check out the "Blue-Man..."
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland  
>>wrote:
>>
>>If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on this list, 
>>it's that you don't have to "be careful" in the use of CS.  Not the kind that 
>>we make.  One should be careful of purchased CS, and one should be careful in 
>>the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but the hallmark of what we do here is 
>>"can't hurt, might help".  FWIW
>>>MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: CS>effects of STOPPING EIS?

[sol]

At 06:37 AM 2/16/2010, you wrote:


"Careful" now needs to apply to very aggressive EIS use, MaryAnn, sadly
enough. This news enhances the importance of the advice to supplement
with selenium and vitamin E to support elimination when using silver in
large amounts, just as we acknowledge that probiotics will be helpful
when enough silver *is* being taken for it to harm the flora.


 In addition to using selenium and vit E it might be a good idea to 
give up caffeine for the duration.
Per Marshall's saying that caffeine acts as a "developer". Marshall, 
do I have that right?

sol