Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
Jeff Waugh was once rumoured to have said: quote who=Jamie Honan So, on that point, what Free Software non-overkill-database systems are recommended by the SLUG coding crack troops? If I want some fairly simple storage that handles locking, multiple readers/writers, hopefully some forms of indexing, useful from Python/Perl/PHP, but DON'T require a RDBMS (or faux-RDBMS with SQL querying, MySQL fans)... What should I look into? GDBM or Berkeley DB? (Oh, the pain!) Others? fanclub target=tridge tdb was written explicitly so tridge had a lightweight `database' that supported multiple readers and writers, and record level locking (IIRC). Its part of the samba3 cvs tree, but is easily extracted. Compared to GDBM's performance, its a little slower, but you get record level locking, rather than file level locking. And you can also run tdb entirely in core. /fanclub Whee! C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
quote who=Crossfire fanclub target=tridge tdb was written explicitly so tridge had a lightweight `database' that supported multiple readers and writers, and record level locking (IIRC). Man, and it was only last year or so that I recommended tdb to someone on this very list. Silly me! I'll have to write some bindings for it. Any other ideas? They don't have to be super-performant, just minimalish. Thanks, - Jeff -- Grind'n'wink. That is all. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ftp client
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 18:50, Bernhard Lüder wrote:
Can I use the native RedHat ftp client to automate this task?
How do I get it to log in as a user, then transfer files and the log out
after?
It's fairly easy to use ftp in shell scripts. I used to use the
following to upload webcam images to the webserver.
uploadpic() {
ftp -v -i -n $host EOF
user $ftpuser $ftppasswd
binary
put $localfilename $remotefilename
bye
EOF
}
HTH,
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Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 19:26, Jeff Waugh wrote: Man, and it was only last year or so that I recommended tdb to someone on this very list. Silly me! I'll have to write some bindings for it. What's your poison? According to the changelog on freshmeat, v1.0.6 ships with a python module. I wouldn't be surprised if CPAN has something for perl, either. -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assure you the thought never even crossed my mind. Indeed? Then if I were you I'd sue my face for slander. -- Rincewind and the Patrician (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Stupid Chmod as Root (newbie)
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 19:11, Martin Morgan wrote: I just ran chmod -R o-rwx on /home/users as root. (don't ask about why I didn't check it out or even think about it first!) Got a good command to reset only the dir's? Something like: find /home/users -type d | xargs chmod o+rwx should do the trick. Although I've got a feeling somebody will feel compelled to do better. -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting All gods are bastards. -- Rincewind (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
quote who=Peter Hardy What's your poison? Slippery When Wet. According to the changelog on freshmeat, v1.0.6 ships with a python module. I wouldn't be surprised if CPAN has something for perl, either. Ah, schweeet. Thank you, stibquar! - Jeff -- It is said that there are only six jokes in the world, and I can assure you that we can only broadcast three of them... - John Watt, the BBC's Head of Variety in the 30's -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [OT]: Cables, KVM switchs, etc
We run LongView KVMs at work. It does 1600x1200 and audio as well. Not so much a multi-KVM device as an extender over cat5 UTP cable. Perhaps they make switchable KVMs. Im not sure. At any rate their extenders are pretty ordinary. I advise against buying one. As for your Logitech wireless solution. Read the specs. The distance for wireless over radio is about 2 metres. Your email suggests a distance greater than this. Dane On 0, Jim Clark (Logique) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've finally got around to finishing the (home) office. But for what I have in mind, I would like to run the CPU boxen away in a cabinet (so I can pretent all the machines are as quiet as the iMac :) Q: Has anyone here have experience running VGA over 10m cables (at high resolution: 1600x1200). Q: Can anyone recommend a KVM (2 or 4 way) that will support 1600x1200? Oblinux: Esp. a KVM that has keybord switching and works with Linux of course :) I was also considering getting something like the Logitech cordless freedom optical kbd + mouse (I assume these will just be seen to the machine as a standard usb kbd+mouse). Anyone using usb kbd+ mouse under linux? -- Thanks, Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mandrake
Quick question about mandrak and their rpm Firstly I am used to RedHat and have decided to move to another distro What I used to do is grab the tarballs and run rpm --tb package.tar.gz I have found that I can't do this. Does anyone know why? Because this is a little painful if in the man pages on rpm it says you can but us get an error like this [blah@blah tar]# rpm -tb smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz: No such file or directory funny thing is the file is there. Has anyone seen the news with Mandrake on slashdot? This is also a snip from the mandrake site. *March 12, 2002 - Mandrake Linux's future* - Even though all of us here at MandrakeSoft are excited about the upcoming release, we've also been distracted by financial concerns. Despite continuous good reviews in the press; despite having millions of users throughout the world; despite producing an award-winning Linux distribution that is a solid competitor to both UNIX and Window$, the Mandrake Linux distribution's short-term future is in jeopardy due to a simple factor: money. Please read our entire message here http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdkfuture.php3 and participate to discussions here http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1989lang=en -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake
[blah@blah tar]# rpm -tb smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz: No such file or directory is . in your PATH?, if not you might try PATH=$PATH:. ; rpm -tb smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz or rpm -tb ./smpeg-xmms-0.3.5.tar.gz _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Laptop + Debian + no way to install it (help?).
On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 00:59, Ryan Verner wrote: Gidday... I'm wanting to configure my Toshiba Portege 3110CT to dual boot debian/win2k. At the moment its running XP (very, very bloddy slowly), and I have two partitions - a 4.5gig fat32 (c:), and a 1.2gig fat32 (d:). Basically, I want to install win2k to the 4.5gig, and erase the existing 1.2gig fat32 and turn this into linux native/swap partitions. While playing with my toshiba to get usb going I found that the boot sequence was set to floppy, harddisk, CD. Therefore CD would never boot. When the tochiba screen appears I press a random selection of keys escape, del, and one of them gives me a one liner about F1, pressing F1 takes me to setup. KenF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Toshiba laptop
On Tue, 2002-02-26 at 01:27, Henry T Wijaya wrote: Ken Foskey wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 12:36, Colin Humphreys wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 10:49:52AM +1100, Ken Foskey wrote: I still have not figured out the little thumb mouse pointer on the You mean if it's set up correctly, there'll be 3 mouse pointers? I'm trying to install linux on a Toshiba laptop too, Satelite 2800. I eventually go all this going. OK firstly to get the thumb mouse going was simple. modprobe mousedev found it and made it work. Use /etc/modules to autoload modules on boot up for debian. (Thanks Andre...) To get three mice going on the one box (so that you can plug any one in at the one time). Here is my desktop with serial followed by USB mouse. InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceUSBmouse SendCoreEvents Obviously you have to define the different mice correctly. KenF PS: What is the equivalent for /etc/modules on the other distros??? for the install fest. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Ok, that works for known files, but what if I have to upload new directories
folders with files in them?
Is there a recursive feature in ftp?
Bernhard
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Peter Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 19:33
To: SLUG user group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] ftp client
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 18:50, Bernhard Lüder wrote:
Can I use the native RedHat ftp client to automate this task?
How do I get it to log in as a user, then transfer files and the log out
after?
It's fairly easy to use ftp in shell scripts. I used to use the
following to upload webcam images to the webserver.
uploadpic() {
ftp -v -i -n $host EOF
user $ftpuser $ftppasswd
binary
put $localfilename $remotefilename
bye
EOF
}
HTH,
--
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Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 06:35:54PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jamie Honan Databases are like the proverbial hammer. Everyone uses them because they know them. But they may not be completely appropriate, sort of like every problem becoming how to drive a nail. So, on that point, what Free Software non-overkill-database systems are recommended by the SLUG coding crack troops? If I want some fairly simple storage that handles locking, multiple readers/writers, hopefully some forms of indexing, useful from Python/Perl/PHP, but DON'T require a RDBMS (or faux-RDBMS with SQL querying, MySQL fans)... What should I look into? GDBM or Berkeley DB? (Oh, the pain!) Others? Out of luck, there are none. GDBM and the Berkeley DB's don't do locking and don't do indexing - they are hash db's. (They find only the exact thing you wanted). One tdbm package claims to do ACID transaction support, but it is also a hash DB. What you've described as wanting is probably an RDBM like MySQL or Postgres. If you relax some of your criteria, you may be able to something very simple. For example, you could simply have a server that handles whole transactions serially. Inside of gnucash, for example, there has to be some locking to prevent clashes, but it doesn't use a database. Persistency is simply handled by writing out to disk every so often How much persistency do you want, how much concurrancy do you want? Can it be achieved by writing transactions out to a log? (Do you need to do this anyway? Oh by the way, make sure the log writing is atomic) A point I guess I'm getting to is that the database may be underkill as much as overkill, i.e. not enough to secure your transactions - like if lots of money depended on it. At another extreme, if you wanted to have a free text searching system with real time updates, or a picture searching system I think you'd need something else. For example the book 'Managing Gigabytes' shows a pretty fancy system for free text searching, inverted indexes etc. etc. but can't be updated in real time. What I'm thinking of is a little library that plugs into other packages that would provide transaction support. It could work with flat files, ISAM files, anything really. Basically blocks of data that you like to keep the way you want. Horses for courses. Or hobby horses. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
quote who=Jamie Honan What you've described as wanting is probably an RDBM like MySQL or Postgres. Or perhaps Interbase, which was designed for embedded use as well as your standard server style stuff. It feels a bit wrong using a massive hulk of a thing like MySQL or Postgres for what's essentially logging. How much persistency do you want, how much concurrancy do you want? Can it be achieved by writing transactions out to a log? (Do you need to do this anyway? Oh by the way, make sure the log writing is atomic) Interesting project related to these questions: http://sourceforge.net/projects/prevayler/ A point I guess I'm getting to is that the database may be underkill as much as overkill, i.e. not enough to secure your transactions - like if lots of money depended on it. At another extreme, if you wanted to have a free text searching system with real time updates, or a picture searching system I think you'd need something else. Annoyingly enough, I have two projects that need ready-to-wear database stuff at the moment; one requires a minimal data store that can handle indexing and multiple writers. The other needs to be a hierarchical data store, and may require full text searching in the future. I'm trying very hard to push these features away onto software that can handle them, but separating the data is going to prove troublesome (I will probably have to lock resources in a server in front of all this data shenanigans). Crazy stuff. Horses for courses. Or hobby horses. ;-) - Jeff -- The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct? - Larry Wall -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
E. J. wrote:
Hello,
Im having a problem with my Red Hat 7.0 Distribution concerning the
switching and cofiguration of screen resolutions. I am using a Cyrix MII 233
mhz with a SiS6326 4mb Video Card and a LG monitor with the heighest
resolution of 1240*1080.
Erm, basic maths required.
1240 x 1080 8 bit/pixel[1] 4Mb, which is why it doesn't work.
try 1024x786 8 bit.
For $80[2], you should be able to pick up the 8Mb version of this card,
although some Eagle AGP cards say for $90 you can get 32Mb. i.e. there
are plenty of cheap cards with humungous ram out there if you really
want 1240x1080@16 million colours.
[1] 8 bit is 256 colours.
[2] cheaper at the markets - I said it to beat the chorus {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
Gee, after ten, Terry really lets it all hang out. Is that your late-night business email address? ;) (I would have posted this in slug-chat, but then it would make even less sense). Cheers, Malcolm V. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
Terry Collins was once rumoured to have said: E. J. wrote: Hello, Im having a problem with my Red Hat 7.0 Distribution concerning the switching and cofiguration of screen resolutions. I am using a Cyrix MII 233 mhz with a SiS6326 4mb Video Card and a LG monitor with the heighest resolution of 1240*1080. Erm, basic maths required. 1240 x 1080 @ 8 bit/pixel[1] 4Mb, which is why it doesn't work. try 1024x786 @ 8 bit. Uh, CRACK INVOLVED. *gets the cluebat out*. OK, Video System Maths 101: First, the basics. 8 bits = 1 byte. 1024^2 bytes = 1048576 bytes = 1mb Now, that aside, there are 4 common modes of video oepration, 8bpp, 16bpp[1], 24bpp packed, and 32bpp[2]. These use 1, 2, 3 and 4 bytes per pixel respectively. now that we have that established, we're working within 4mbs, thats 4194304 bytes. lets work out the video memory required for 1280x1024. at 8bpp (256 colours), thats one byte per pixel: 1280x1024 = 1310270 bytes. thats only 31% of the available video memory - that leaves heaps of space for offscreen buffering. at 16bpp (65536 colours), thats two bytes per pixel: 1280x1024@16bpp = 2621440 bytes. Thats only 62% of the available video memory. at 24bpp (16 million colours): ... = 3932160 bytes still OK at 32bpp (16 million colours): ... = 5242880 bytes. OK, this doesn't work. however, for 8bpp this is still fine. IIRC, this a rough table of sane maximums: 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 2048x1512 1Mb 16bpp8bpp - - - 2Mb 32bpp16bpp 8bpp - - 4Mb 32bpp32bpp 24bpp 16bpp 8bpp 8Mb 32bpp32bpp 32bpp 32bpp 16bpp 16Mb 32bpp32bpp 32bpp 32bpp 32bpp ... etc. You get the idea. C. [1] 15bpp is a special case of 16bpp. [2] 32bpp is still only 2^24 colours, just its faster to work with 4 bytes, rather than with 3. 32bpp is also used with 3d because it gives an extra byte of space to use for alpha channel data. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
Crossfire wrote:
Uh, CRACK INVOLVED.
Naah, it was alien radiation - I've been to welding tonight - blow
torches, acid and lots of other stuff. I had to fill the cracks up [1].
The other stuff up was checking out a spam that claimed it had my Cv
online - no sense in confirming my real email address is there {:-).
Then nutscape decided to attach both to my reply.
Anyway, I was close to the important point - it wasn't gunna fit. He
probably should read the Xfree86 video timings HOW-TO anyway {:-). That
will really fry his brain.
[1] If you understand the difference between brazing, braze welding and
fusion welding, post an explanation to slug chat.
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[SLUG] MacLUG is on again this Saturday
Just a kind of late reminder that Maclug is on again this Saturday.
http://www.woa.com.au/maclug - normally correct, but needs fixing real
soon now[1].
Several things lurking.
I have evaluation units (i.e. no soldering irons allowed near them)
Wireless units from Dynalink. A PCMCIA card, a USB card and the Dynalink
access point. If you want to bring your boxen and attach them and have a
play, then you are welcome to do so.
Someone might be playing with the NCR MCA boxen.
Finally, lst chance to see if you can really blow up a monitor by
fiddling with XFree Video Timings - I have nine NEC Multisync I
monitors that are leaving real soon now and as they are going to a
monitor repair class, it will not matter.
Snags coleslaw, cuppa, and all the usual stuff. RSVP if you want a
snag.
Email if you want the realspace address
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Re: A good troff book (was: RE: [SLUG] troff)
On 11 Mar, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Eh? I use it all the time. Unless you mean, use groff instead? I have to agree, that I think nowadays the groff version of troff is better than the original, as of about last year. No, don't use troff or groff. There are _FAR_ better ways to lay out a document that don't have you learning incredibly obscure commands and syntax. Troff has had its day. it's almost fast enough to do interactively. My point precisely. Use something that _IS_ interactive, or at least something that is a bit easier to learn. For a start, it's unusual to bother to learn to use raw troff. One generally picks a macro package, and uses that instead. I use mm, and man for man pages; some people like the me or ms macro packages. A rare few write their own packages. All these packages are easier to learn than HTML, IMHO. Things like troff and TeX are good because they separate the layout from the input, and don't require manual intervention to construct the source files, and can easily use scripts and filters to do complex things that in Word, say, requires a monolithic piece of software with some added scripting language grafted on. troff and TeX and Lout follow the Unix philosophy (programs that you can use as building blocks or pieces in bigger systems), and still have their place, IMHO. For some things they're better than WYSIWYG systems, for other purposes they're not. luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] network cards with changable mac addresses
John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing: On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:57:42PM +1100, Peter Hardy wrote: Out of interest - why would you want to change the MAC anyway? Software licences may be tied to the MAC address. Plus (for example) my cable modem requires DHCP for the head-end to allow you thru, and its tied to a mac address - I'd rather change mac address in software than deal with the horror of having the cable company change their end when I upgrade. :) -- Ben Buxton - Random Network Person -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] USB Link ?
Hi folks ! This question is a little off topic because it probably has to do with connecting two Windows machines so i'm sorry about that :) Anyway, i'm trying to work out the quickest way to connect my notebook computer to a public computer (such as that in a library) and transfer some data from it. This particular machine has a USB port at the front (it's an Acer) and I was hoping there might be an easy way to plug in a usb cable then download some data onto the newly created drive without rebooting the computer or playing with the control panel etc. The best example i've seen of this is when you plug in a USB Data Storage Device such as a digital camera, immediately a new drive is created which could be selected from the browser's save as. If the same could be done with a laptop and a special usb cable it would do the trick just fine ! Any other creative suggestions are encouraged but do remember that these computers are using Intercheck software to prevent access to explorer, cmd, control panel etc. I can't think of any other solutions however, perhaps a serial cable (although im guessing it would be harder due to lack of special software) etc .. i'm GUESSING that a USB cable is the best way to do this. Btw .. the data will be large, over 100mb. And please guys, I don't wish to rude but i'm not interested in any ethical discussions, I have permission to do this and it's a purely creative/experimental exercise anyway. Many thanks ! :)) Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] USB Link ?
Hi folks ! This question is a little off topic because it probably has to do with connecting two Windows machines so i'm sorry about that :) Anyway, i'm trying to work out the quickest way to connect my notebook computer to a public computer (such as that in a library) and transfer some data from it. This particular machine has a USB port at the front (it's an Acer) and I was hoping there might be an easy way to plug in a usb cable then download some data onto the newly created drive without rebooting the computer or playing with the control panel etc. The best example i've seen of this is when you plug in a USB Data Storage Device such as a digital camera, immediately a new drive is created which could be selected from the browser's save as. If the same could be done with a laptop and a special usb cable it would do the trick just fine ! Any other creative suggestions are encouraged but do remember that these computers are using Intercheck software to prevent access to explorer, cmd, control panel etc. I can't think of any other solutions however, perhaps a serial cable (although im guessing it would be harder due to lack of special software) etc .. i'm GUESSING that a USB cable is the best way to do this. Btw .. the data will be large, over 100mb. And please guys, I don't wish to rude but i'm not interested in any ethical discussions, I have permission to do this and it's a purely creative/experimental exercise anyway. Many thanks ! :)) Matt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
Interesting project related to these questions: http://sourceforge.net/projects/prevayler/ Some of the sentiments echo mine : every transaction is represented as a serializable object which is atomically written to the queue (a simple log file) and processed by the system. An object, or object graph, is enough to encapsulate the complexity of any business transaction. Which is fine and dandy, but I think unrealistic in many circumstances. Serialising a whole transaction won't get you performance for a loaded system. In fact, may not be possible at all. I need to have a look at some of these ideas. Annoyingly enough, I have two projects that need ready-to-wear database stuff at the moment; one requires a minimal data store that can handle indexing and multiple writers. The other needs to be a hierarchical data store, and may require full text searching in the future. I'm trying very hard to push these features away onto software that can handle them, but separating the data is going to prove troublesome (I will probably have to lock resources in a server in front of all this data shenanigans). Crazy stuff. I can't recommend the book 'Managing Gigabytes' enough if you think full text searching is a possibility. It is a huge jump from RDBMS. You may be able to do a hybrid - DBMs for some parts, and a static text search system that is updated off line periodically e.g. overnight, hourly ... Although Postgres and MySQL seem big, they do a job superbly well. If you have a good hammer and you need to drive a nail don't start using the heel of your shoe! I also like this line : ``The terms ANTICLIMACTIC SIMPLICITY and ANTICLIMACTICALLY SIMPLE are hereby placed in the public domain.'' ANTICLIMACTIC SIMPLICITY is an oxymoron. When an author mixes oxymorons with buzz phrases like serializable objects and business objects I get worried. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
anybody know how I can change my resolutions??? try Xconfigurator start off at the lowest resolution and colours and work your way up. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of E. J. Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems Hello, Im having a problem with my Red Hat 7.0 Distribution concerning the switching and cofiguration of screen resolutions. I am using a Cyrix MII 233 mhz with a SiS6326 4mb Video Card and a LG monitor with the heighest resolution of 1240*1080. I try the [ctrl] + [alt] + [-] short-cuts but they dont work, and I've tried using xf86config, but none of these seem to resolve my problem, anybody know how I can change my resolutions??? as 640*480 is not a very good one. -Aren _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Ibanking
Hi, I am new to Linux. I have just installed Redhat 7.2 and everything is working fine except my Internet banking (StGeorge). I have read several messages on the list on this subject but none of them seemed to help my specific case. If anyone has successfully used StGeorge Ibank with linux could they let me know their config. I have tried the following. Mozilla(came with Redhat) - hangs before the login screen comes up Opera 5 - hangs before the login screen comes up Netscape 4.78 - Get a login screen, but apparently (the st. george help desk said) I am getting the Mac login screen. I can enter some of my details but it just beeps when I try to enter the pin number. They suggested I try a newer netscape so I downloaded Ns 6, but it just (surprise) hangs too. - before the login screen. I have had to go back to using my Windows PC for this unfortunately but I would really like to get it working on Linux so I can ditch Windows altogether. Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] On the use of databases
quote who=Jamie Honan ANTICLIMACTIC SIMPLICITY is an oxymoron. When an author mixes oxymorons with buzz phrases like serializable objects and business objects I get worried. If you read back on some of the advogato.org story history, this is where he first posted a review of the system. It kinda stood out amongst the other stories, and looked a bit bare without a couple of little penguins shouting at each other. ;-) WE HAVE ANTICLIMACTIC SIMPLICITY POKEY!!! THEN I WILL PUT MY PANTS BACK ON!! - Jeff -- Broken hearts rarely come with Some Assembly Required stickers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Modem
Hi all, Have decided to go with an external modem on my new system, simpler (I hope). Has anyone used or got an aopinion on the SWANN range of modems that seem to be proliferating at the moment? _ Simon Bryan IT Manager - OLMC Parramatta ICQ#:137562751 http://www.olmc.nsw.edu.au _ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Just use the full pathname and get a script to generate the list for you, eg
'find'.
But you need to know if the directory exists on the remote site.
Anyone know, assuming a shell is not available to the remote host, can you
test for the existance of a directory on an ftp site in order to make a
decision as to whether to make a directory or not?
Something like if [ -d ] dirname ; then do something ; fi
but using ftp as the only available protocol?
(Actually come to think of it you could possibly use http to first test for
this directory's existence if the ultimate aim was to update your website).
Regards,
Jill.
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Level 2, 55 Mentmore Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Lüder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 22:07
To: Peter Hardy; SLUG user group
Subject: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Ok, that works for known files, but what if I have to upload new directories
folders with files in them?
Is there a recursive feature in ftp?
Bernhard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Peter Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 19:33
To: SLUG user group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] ftp client
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 18:50, Bernhard Lüder wrote:
Can I use the native RedHat ftp client to automate this task?
How do I get it to log in as a user, then transfer files and the log out
after?
It's fairly easy to use ftp in shell scripts. I used to use the
following to upload webcam images to the webserver.
uploadpic() {
ftp -v -i -n $host EOF
user $ftpuser $ftppasswd
binary
put $localfilename $remotefilename
bye
EOF
}
HTH,
--
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Re: [SLUG] Ibanking
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Ivor Oorloff wrote:
[..StGeorge Internet banking..]
Netscape 4.78 - Get a login screen, but apparently (the st. george
help desk said) I am getting the Mac login screen. I can enter some of
my details but it just beeps when I try to enter the pin number. They
This is actually the correct response. The beep indicates a digit has been
received, and you should go on to the next one on the virtual keypad.
I'm running Navigator 4.77, and I'm able to connect fine.
For some reason known only to the cackhanded programers at St George,
their browser detection routines refuse to admit Unix exists, so you get
dumped to the {outdated and less functional} Mac version.
suggested I try a newer netscape so I downloaded Ns 6, but it just
(surprise) hangs too. - before the login screen.
I'm surprised they even recognised you exist. The one time I called with a
problem - completely non browser related - as soon as I got to the Linux
bit the reply was We don't support Unix. Sorry.
I have had to go back to using my Windows PC for this unfortunately but
I would really like to get it working on Linux so I can ditch Windows
altogether.
No reason not to.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] Modem
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Simon Bryan wrote: Have decided to go with an external modem on my new system, simpler (I hope). Has anyone used or got an aopinion on the SWANN range of modems that seem to be proliferating at the moment? Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. The only _real_ modems left on the planet are the USR's. Preferably the V-Everything Courier's, but the lower models aren't bad either. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
What I am actually trying to do is to backup file from my site to an FTP
server.
The problem is, that they are allowed to create sub-directories and of
course new files.
So I don't know what files I have to ftp.
I have tried using WEEX, but it does not seem to be able to create new
directories on the FTP server.
Bernhard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jill Rowling
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2002 10:13
To: SLUG user group
Subject: RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Just use the full pathname and get a script to generate the list for you, eg
'find'.
But you need to know if the directory exists on the remote site.
Anyone know, assuming a shell is not available to the remote host, can you
test for the existance of a directory on an ftp site in order to make a
decision as to whether to make a directory or not?
Something like if [ -d ] dirname ; then do something ; fi
but using ftp as the only available protocol?
(Actually come to think of it you could possibly use http to first test for
this directory's existence if the ultimate aim was to update your website).
Regards,
Jill.
--
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Eng. Systems Dept, Aristocrat Technologies Australia
Level 2, 55 Mentmore Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Lüder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 22:07
To: Peter Hardy; SLUG user group
Subject: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Ok, that works for known files, but what if I have to upload new directories
folders with files in them?
Is there a recursive feature in ftp?
Bernhard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Peter Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 19:33
To: SLUG user group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] ftp client
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 18:50, Bernhard Lüder wrote:
Can I use the native RedHat ftp client to automate this task?
How do I get it to log in as a user, then transfer files and the log out
after?
It's fairly easy to use ftp in shell scripts. I used to use the
following to upload webcam images to the webserver.
uploadpic() {
ftp -v -i -n $host EOF
user $ftpuser $ftppasswd
binary
put $localfilename $remotefilename
bye
EOF
}
HTH,
--
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Re: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
If you are prepared to write a bit of Perl:
look at Net::FTP
Kerry.
- Original Message -
From: Bernhard Lüder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jill Rowling [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SLUG user group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
What I am actually trying to do is to backup file from my site to an FTP
server.
The problem is, that they are allowed to create sub-directories and of
course new files.
So I don't know what files I have to ftp.
I have tried using WEEX, but it does not seem to be able to create new
directories on the FTP server.
Bernhard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jill Rowling
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2002 10:13
To: SLUG user group
Subject: RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Just use the full pathname and get a script to generate the list for you,
eg
'find'.
But you need to know if the directory exists on the remote site.
Anyone know, assuming a shell is not available to the remote host, can you
test for the existance of a directory on an ftp site in order to make a
decision as to whether to make a directory or not?
Something like if [ -d ] dirname ; then do something ; fi
but using ftp as the only available protocol?
(Actually come to think of it you could possibly use http to first test
for
this directory's existence if the ultimate aim was to update your
website).
Regards,
Jill.
--
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Eng. Systems Dept, Aristocrat Technologies Australia
Level 2, 55 Mentmore Ave Rosebery NSW 2018
Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Lüder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 22:07
To: Peter Hardy; SLUG user group
Subject: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
Ok, that works for known files, but what if I have to upload new
directories
folders with files in them?
Is there a recursive feature in ftp?
Bernhard
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Peter Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 19:33
To: SLUG user group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] ftp client
On Tue, 2002-03-12 at 18:50, Bernhard Lüder wrote:
Can I use the native RedHat ftp client to automate this task?
How do I get it to log in as a user, then transfer files and the log out
after?
It's fairly easy to use ftp in shell scripts. I used to use the
following to upload webcam images to the webserver.
uploadpic() {
ftp -v -i -n $host EOF
user $ftpuser $ftppasswd
binary
put $localfilename $remotefilename
bye
EOF
}
HTH,
--
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RE: [SLUG] ftp client - MORE
On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 10:12, Jill Rowling wrote: Anyone know, assuming a shell is not available to the remote host, can you test for the existance of a directory on an ftp site in order to make a decision as to whether to make a directory or not? Something like if [ -d ] dirname ; then do something ; fi but using ftp as the only available protocol? I supposed you could just tell it to create the directory, and ignore any errors it might throw back. -- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] By now the whole of downtown Morpork was alight, and the richer and worthier citizens of Ankh on the far bank were bravely responding by feverishly demolishing the bridges. (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
Hi Folks, With dingo blue shutting its doors soon, I am, once again, looking for a Linux friendly ISP servicing Sydney. (dial-up networking, 56k modem) Suggestions are most welcome. So is information on quality of service, pricing plans etc etc. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rajnish -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
I use Alpha Dot Net they have always been Linux friendly and the owner Liam is pro Linux - of course most help desk people are trained on Windoz and you sometimes get people confident in Linux and sometimes you don't. (www.alpha.net.au) Andrew D Hi Folks, With dingo blue shutting its doors soon, I am, once again, looking for a Linux friendly ISP servicing Sydney. (dial-up networking, 56k modem) Suggestions are most welcome. So is information on quality of service, pricing plans etc etc. Thanks in advance. Regards, Rajnish -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] I would like to be able to post to the mailing list
quote who=Salvatore Romano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, You just did. :-) Thanks, - Jeff -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
quote who=Andrewd I use Alpha Dot Net they have always been Linux friendly and the owner Liam is pro Linux - of course most help desk people are trained on Windoz and you sometimes get people confident in Linux and sometimes you don't. (www.alpha.net.au) Here's the best test... Call up, as a non-customer, and say you are having trouble dialing up to the ISP. If their first question sounds like this: Are you using Windows, Mac, or Linux there? You know you have a winner. If you're an ISP, and your helpdesk people *don't* ask this question, please post your confessions to the slug-chat mailing list. - Jeff -- It is said that there are only six jokes in the world, and I can assure you that we can only broadcast three of them... - John Watt, the BBC's Head of Variety in the 30's -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
Tiwari, Rajnish wrote: Hi Folks, With dingo blue shutting its doors soon, I am, once again, looking for a Linux friendly ISP servicing Sydney. (dial-up networking, 56k modem) Suggestions are most welcome. So is information on quality of service, pricing plans etc etc. I'll but a free plug in for my old mate John: try nlc.net.au Linux friendly... or even better, linux/*bsd savvy. Good service (modem/customer ratio), etc... They service Sydney and the Central Coast. -- Jim. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote: Here's the best test... Call up, as a non-customer, and say you are having trouble dialing up to the ISP. If their first question sounds like this: Are you using Windows, Mac, or Linux there? except that they will ask for a member ID before dealing with the issue. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
quote who=Graeme Robinson except that they will ask for a member ID before dealing with the issue. They'd like you to *think* that, yes. :-) - Jeff -- I think we agnostics need a term for a holy war too. I feel all left out. - George Lebl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Family mail server
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:55, you wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2002, Mick Howe wrote: What tools do I need for this? I've tried reading the sendmail how-tos but couldn't find any clarity in them. Welcome to sendmail ;-) You've learnt one reason many people run other MTA's instead. I have to admit that since I learned to read IBM MVS/XA manuals I've found any non IBM manuals hard to follow. The mail project is on hold for a while as I have a couple of things may happen that will negate the need. /\/\ick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Modem
At 10:16 13/03/2002, DaZZa sent this up the stick: The only _real_ modems left on the planet are the USR's. Preferably the V-Everything Courier's, but the lower models aren't bad either. You tried getting firmware for these things of late? Nigh on impossible. The only thing that you can upgrade is the driver. Very sucky from a once fabulous modem manufacturer. The markets (here we go...) usually have Netcomm Roadster 2's floating around. I saw them just last month. Cheers, Rob -- I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as long as a week sometimes to make it up. [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 547 of a collection of 1204 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
I'll but a free plug in for my old mate John: try nlc.net.au Linux friendly... or even better, linux/*bsd savvy. Good service (modem/customer ratio), etc... They service Sydney and the Central Coast. Hey, if we're getting plugs in, try Mike and Andrew at www.fl.net.au, and their ADSL arm, www.alwaysonline.net.au. I've been with them for 6 years, never any problems, *nix/BSD (and they hate Windows), etc Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Modem
Quoting Simon Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, Have decided to go with an external modem on my new system, simpler (I hope). Has anyone used or got an aopinion on the SWANN range of modems that seem to be proliferating at the moment? I've been using one at work and they seem to be OK. If you want an external, I have a Banksia Wave SP 56k, a Banksia 33k, and a Hayes 56k that are all surplus. I also have a USR Pro Messaging Modem that is still shrink-wrapped (it was a replacement under warranty after a power surge) - would do for an answering machine / fax / modem on one phone line. I was going to start using this but it's overkill for what I need (I'm using the Hayes at the moment and it works fine). Contact me off-list if you want to make me an offer...:-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] pinging a port number.
Is it possible to either ping or traceroute over a specific port number? If so, how can I determine the break in connection? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] RedHat - Debian
Dear list, I have a RH box that I would to convert to Debian. It has 2 disks hdb hdc with the system stuff on hdb and /home on hdc. Using Diskdruid I can easily format the system disk (hdb) but just nominate the mount point of the home directories (hdc) Using cfdisk I can not see how to keep the /home untouched. It wants to write the partiontable therefore destroying the data. If I dont't reformat and use install over the top of RH, does Debian use any unusal partioning? I am using the wrong tool? Should I just mount the /home directories later? regards, Debian Dumby -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing - 113-115 Oxford St Darlinghurst Australia Phone: +(61-2) 9360 Fax +(61-2) 9361 0094 0414 618 425 http://www.nada.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RedHat - Debian
quote who=Richard Hayes Using cfdisk I can not see how to keep the /home untouched. It wants to write the partiontable therefore destroying the data. If I dont't reformat and use install over the top of RH, does Debian use any unusal partioning? If /home is all you have on hdc, then you can just specify to mount it this way during the Debian installation. Repartition hda as needs be, then mount /home with the installer. Works a treat (except for uid and gid numbers, but you can sort all of that out post-installation). - Jeff -- GNOME, launched specifically to counter a threat to our freedom, is the free software project par excellence. - Richard Stallman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: On the use of databases
On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:29:54PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: It feels a bit wrong using a massive hulk of a thing like MySQL or Postgres for what's essentially logging. apparently there's this thing called O_APPEND, which supports multiple writers and is persistant ... -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RedHat - Debian
that's sounds like a 'no problem': install debian, reformat hdb, and leave hdc untouched when creating partitions, then, mount hdc in /home during installation (there is an option for that) and voila it's done. JeF On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:28:16PM +1100, Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, I have a RH box that I would to convert to Debian. It has 2 disks hdb hdc with the system stuff on hdb and /home on hdc. Using Diskdruid I can easily format the system disk (hdb) but just nominate the mount point of the home directories (hdc) Using cfdisk I can not see how to keep the /home untouched. It wants to write the partiontable therefore destroying the data. If I dont't reformat and use install over the top of RH, does Debian use any unusal partioning? I am using the wrong tool? Should I just mount the /home directories later? regards, Debian Dumby -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing - 113-115 Oxford St Darlinghurst Australia Phone: +(61-2) 9360 Fax +(61-2) 9361 0094 0414 618 425 http://www.nada.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- - Jean-Francois Dive -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian SIG Tonight!
Quoting Craige's email earlier this month: This month we have Tony Green talking about Debian on the iPaq. Well it's not quite Debian but it's damn close. The talk will focus on Familiar Linux, the Debian based distro for PDA's, installation, general usage and why there's no more reason to WinCE. Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing. Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs) When: Wednesday, 13th of March 19:00 - 20:00 Cost: $0, $10 if you pre-order tea/coffee Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late) - Domain (closes 21:00) or - Beside the Bells Hotel Come along! - Jeff -- I used the word 'infrastructure' when describing her cooking style... and she didn't speak to me for a week. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Open Office build On Debian Woody.
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:43, you wrote: Successful build and install on Debian woody from scratch from source from CVS OO638B. Dear Ken, Is anyone building Debian .debs for OpenOffice? I can not find it on any distros. regards -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing - 113-115 Oxford St Darlinghurst Australia Phone: +(61-2) 9360 Fax +(61-2) 9361 0094 0414 618 425 http://www.nada.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Open Office build On Debian Woody.
quote who=Richard Hayes Is anyone building Debian .debs for OpenOffice? I can not find it on any distros. Yeah, but it's a hge job doing them the Debian Way. They won't be in woody, but should turn up in sid some time. I think there's a mailing list for the DD's working on it, which you might want to check out. - Jeff -- There, I did it... I defiled a timeless piece of ART! - Jim Carrey, covering I Am The Walrus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
anybody know how I can change my resolutions??? try Xconfigurator start off at the lowest resolution and colours and work your way up. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of E. J. Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2002 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems Hello, Im having a problem with my Red Hat 7.0 Distribution concerning the switching and cofiguration of screen resolutions. I am using a Cyrix MII 233 mhz with a SiS6326 4mb Video Card and a LG monitor with the heighest resolution of 1240*1080. I try the [ctrl] + [alt] + [-] short-cuts but they dont work, and I've tried using xf86config, but none of these seem to resolve my problem, anybody know how I can change my resolutions??? as 640*480 is not a very good one. -Aren _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
FW: [SLUG] Desktop Resolution Problems
anybody know how I can change my resolutions??? try Xconfigurator start off at the lowest resolution and colours and work your way up. Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] cyclic depends on RH
I've got into one of those cyclic dependency treadmills on RH7.1 As I install each one, another previously undisclosed dependency appears. I've searched the slug archive.. but it seems there is no hope but to change to Debian. Someone tell me this isn't true :( What is the likelihood that this kind of upgrading is going to break something apparently unrelated? Is it easier just to go upgrade the entire system to a later RH version? David. PS: mod_throttle requires apache-1.3.23-5 apache-1.3.23-5 requires db3-devel-3.2.9-4 db3-devel-3.2.9-4 requires db3.2.9 apache-1.3.23-5 requires libmm.so.11 etc.. :( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] cyclic depends on RH
David wrote:
Someone tell me this isn't true :(
Either force one, then install the rest, or install all in the one
command (it seems to cross check).
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Re: [SLUG] cyclic depends on RH
quote who=David I've got into one of those cyclic dependency treadmills on RH7.1 As I install each one, another previously undisclosed dependency appears. I've searched the slug archive.. but it seems there is no hope but to change to Debian. Someone tell me this isn't true :( Heh. It's not... Just specify all of the packages on the rpm command line. You can find out what the package dependencies are with rpm, too (although I forget the precise command now... rpm -qi? Something like that). What is the likelihood that this kind of upgrading is going to break something apparently unrelated? It depends on your package source, and how well it was made. Sometimes packages don't correctly conflict with different versions, etc, or depend on particular versions required. Is it easier just to go upgrade the entire system to a later RH version? Definitely. Then you know you'd getting a complete, tested system. - Jeff -- Just because I sit in front of a terminal all day doesn't mean I couldn't hunt you down and righteously kick your ass to feed my newfound cannabalism. - Darwinian System Administration -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Friendly ISP in Sydney
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:11:52 +1100 Tiwari, Rajnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, With dingo blue shutting its doors soon, I am, once again, looking for a Linux friendly ISP servicing Sydney. (dial-up networking, 56k modem) Suggestions are most welcome. So is information on quality of service, pricing plans etc etc. www.zip.com.au is really good. I used them for years until switching to Bigpong cable. From a service and support point of view I often wish I was back on zip. Erik --- Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ The Earth is around 70% water. Fish rule the seas. Humans are over 90% water. It's only a matter of time. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Remote PPPd script
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Adam Hewitt wrote: Hi, Once I have my debian gateway up and running, I want to have it setup so that it will NOT dial on demand. As an alternative to this I was wondering if anyone had some hints or if it is even possible to have some sort of script setup on a Windows desktop that when run it will telnet to the debian box, log in (maybe with a generic username and password which only has rights to run the pppd) and connect to the net. The reason that I am asking is because I am setting this up for my home network, and my wife isn't that computer literate that I think she would be able to do these tasks manually. If you have any other suggestions please let me know those as well. a) you could just do a simple shell script menu and leave that running on the console with 3 options. 1) start internet, 2) stop internet, 3) check internet see man bash and look for select. b) do a simple CGI script that calls the pon or poff command and maybe something to check if you're online, run a web server just on the internal IP address - see Listen and BindAddress in your httpd.conf or apache.conf as the case may be. -- ---GRiP--- Web: www.arcadia.au.com/gripz Answering Machine/fax: 02 4950 1194 (wait 5 mins if no answer) Mobile: 0408 686 201 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] pinging a port number.
Ping uses ICMP which operates directly above IP, not using TCP and UDP and hence has no notion of ports. Traceroute purposely sends to an unused UDP port range, and waits for an ICMP with TTL exceed or port unreachable. Neither tool helps directly determine which ports are available on a host The routers also in general don't look at ports and anyway won't be listening to the ports you have in mind. (unless the router has an Access COntrol List or other packet filter looking particular ports, it will pass the IP packet provided it has a route). If you try to send a packet that is blocked by the router because of an ACL, a router may either silent drop the packet or send a ICMP port unreachable message back. (Your application will normally report this). Hence you may or may not be able to determine where the issue lies. You can test TCP reachability by telnet host port and check whether you get connection refused, or an ICMP message back. UDP protocols are usually silently dropped by hosts is they are not listening on that port. The normal network assumptions is that ICMP will only test IP routing tables and links, it doesn't prove that your applications can get through. (Of course if ICMP is blocked by the router/host you cannot be sure that your application will or won't get through) No easy solution I'm afraid Martin Visser Network Consultant - Compaq Global Services Compaq Computer Australia 3 Richardson Place North Ryde, Sydney NSW 2113 Australia Phone: +61-2-9022-1670 Mobile: +61-411-254-513 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: The Pimply Faced Youth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2002 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] pinging a port number. Is it possible to either ping or traceroute over a specific port number? If so, how can I determine the break in connection? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
