Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin & MYOB - is it really this bad?

2003-07-07 Thread mkraus

Stuart,

If you're accessing the data file locally, check that the permissions for the files and directories are the same as if from samba.

MYOB achieves filesharing of data files via lockfiles, if one user  logs into MYOB (creates a lockfile), and the other user can't read or modify that lockfile they will not be able to use the same MYOB data file under MYOB.

I hope this is clear, and from the looks of things, its probably what's happening. (Ie. you access locally and it locks other users out as they don't have the priveleges to read/modify the lockfile.)

Warmest regards

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Just wondering if anyone else has a major performance issue with running
Win4Lin Server edition (within that MYOB Premier Accounts).

I'm accessing a samba network drive from within the copy of win4lin so
that the MYOB data can be shared across a company. This works OK for
Win98 clients accessing the data, speed is OK. From Win4Lin, it sucks.
Performance is about 1/5 the speed or worse.

Accessing MYOB data directly from Win4Lin to file on same Linux Box is as
fast as I could expect. Unfortunately, this will not allow the MYOB data file to be
shared with the other users. Only accessing via MS Networking will allow this and that slows it down big time.

I've also emailed support @ Netraverse but so far (ie 3 days ago) no response. 

As an alternative, has anyone tried crossover office with MYOB in Network 'file share' mode?


Stu




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Re: [SLUG] mandrake 9.1 cdrom and sound

2003-07-07 Thread John Nicholls
Wayne Crich wrote:
This sounds like two dumb questions. After years of using RedHat i have 
set a machine up with mandrake.
 
Two simple problems:
 
1) No sound - Yet card is configured correctly and volume is set above 0.
You also need to add yourself to the audio and cdrom groups. Mandrake 
doesn't do tnis automatically.
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Re: [SLUG] mandrake 9.1 cdrom and sound

2003-07-07 Thread Stuart Guthrie
Hi John,

> You also need to add yourself to the audio and cdrom groups. Mandrake 
doesn't do tnis automatically.

I did not have to do this..

>groups sfg
sfg : sfg
Yet I can still do the audio thing. Maybe this was an older Version 
requirement? I'm using Mdk 9.1.

Stu

John Nicholls wrote:

You also need to add yourself to the audio and cdrom groups. Mandrake 
doesn't do tnis automatically.
John




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Re: [SLUG] mandrake 9.1 cdrom and sound

2003-07-07 Thread John Nicholls
Stuart Guthrie wrote:
Hi John,

 > You also need to add yourself to the audio and cdrom groups. Mandrake 
doesn't do tnis automatically.

I did not have to do this..

 >groups sfg
sfg : sfg
Yet I can still do the audio thing. Maybe this was an older Version 
requirement? I'm using Mdk 9.1.
Strange. This was on 9.1.
John


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Re: [SLUG] mandrake 9.1 cdrom and sound

2003-07-07 Thread James Gregory
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 17:37, John Nicholls wrote:

> Strange. This was on 9.1.

I don't know for how long it has been the case, but gdm at least changes
the ownership of the appropriate /dev entries when you log in using it.
So if you're using runlevel 5 you shouldn't need to worry about it.
You'll find however that this is a problem if you attempt to ssh to a
mandrake box where you haven't logged in with gdm -- though playing mp3s
on a computer you aren't near isn't generally a productive innovation.

James.


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Re: [SLUG] Partition resize...

2003-07-07 Thread John McQuillen
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 14:49, Douglas Stalker wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have just moved my Mandrake 9.1 installation to a larger hard
> drive.
> 
> > The only problem is that although Diskdrake shows the new partitions
> at
> > the new sizes, df still reports the old sizes and free space. It
> appears
> > that the file systems have not grown to fit the new partitions. Is
> there
> > anything that I can do to fix this, or do I have to start again?
> 
> The utility 'resize2fs' can resize ext2 and ext3 filesystems to take
> up the entire partition without losing any data (but backup beforehand
> just to make sure.  :-)  By default, it will grow the filesystem to
> fill the partition.  'man resize2fs' will have more details.
> 
> Knoppix includes resize2fs, which makes it easy to boot up off the CD
> and resize the partitions on the hard-drive.
> 
> If you're using reiser fs, try using the resize_reiserfs utility
> instead.

That worked perfectly. I had to boot to the Mandrake rescue disk and run
resize_reiserfs on each of /dev/hda1,6,7 & 8 (after copying it onto a
floppy as it isn't on the rescue disk) and I am now in business with
much more free space.

Thanks and cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] Debian SIG Location..

2003-07-07 Thread Dave Airlie
> >
> > Currently, I believe we need a location that
> >   - has food and drink nearby,
> >   - is accessable via public transport
> To me that is the #1 problem with it.  I like the place itself but
> walking through the park in the dark (and it gets real dark as most of
> the few lights dont work) by yourself is not too much fun.

just on getting to the WBH after dark (I'm not a debian user, but I live
within sight of the WBH), if you walk along the wharf to the steps up to
victoria street and then up victoria street to the KC train station, it is
probably a while lot nicer than either the park or central Wolloomooloo...

Dave.

>  - Craig
>

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Re: [SLUG] Partition resize...

2003-07-07 Thread Shaun Oliver
remember everyone, 
utilities like norton ghost and dd take the partition table along for
the ride when you do a clone of the image.
that's why the df reports the wrong partition sizes
use nopix or your boot floppies and backup all the files you want to
move to the new partitions and reformat those partitions before
restoring.
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[SLUG] Can't watch le tour de France! because of M$ media player

2003-07-07 Thread linley caetan
Mplayer will not le me play this link to the audio or videi feed from 
the Tour de France.
   typical link 
is:http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/oln/tdf2003video/05action2_100.wvx

Mplayer spits out:
Playing mms://gcrod9.streamos.com/6/oln/tdf2003video/05action2_100.wmv
Resolving gcrod9.streamos.com ...
Connecting to server gcrod9.streamos.com[64.152.108.145]:80 ...
Stream bitrate properties object
Max bandwidth set to 0
Resolving gcrod9.streamos.com ...
Connecting to server gcrod9.streamos.com[64.152.108.145]:80 ...
Server return 500:Internal Server Error
Unknown ASF streaming type
Resolving gcrod9.streamos.com ...
Connecting to server gcrod9.streamos.com[64.152.108.145]:1755 ...
connected
file object, packet length = 1200 (1200)
unknown object
unknown object
unknown object
stream object, stream id: 1
stream object, stream id: 2
unknown object
data object
mmst packet_length = 1200
Cache size set to 185 KBytes
Connected to server: gcrod9.streamos.com
Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)
command packet detected, len=60  cmd=0x5
Cache fill: 17.39% (32768 bytes)Detected ASF file format!
 ASF Stream group == START ===
object size = 38
stream count=[0x2][2]
  stream id=[0x1][1]
  max bitrate=[0x243e][9278]
  stream id=[0x2][2]
  max bitrate=[0x16b0b][92939]
 ASF Stream group == END ===
VIDEO:  [WMV3]  176x132  24bpp
==
Requested audio codec family [divx] (afm=acm) not available (enable it 
at compilation!)
*** Try to upgrade /home/linley/.mplayer/codecs.conf from etc/codecs.conf
*** If it still does not work, read DOCS/codecs.html!
Can't find codec for audio format 0x161!
==
fbdev: Can't open /dev/fb0: No such device
==
*** Try to upgrade /home/linley/.mplayer/codecs.conf from etc/codecs.conf
*** If it still does not work, read DOCS/codecs.html!
Can't find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x33564D57!
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Re: [SLUG] Can't watch le tour de France! because of M$ media player

2003-07-07 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On Mon 07 Jul, linley caetan bloviated thus:
> Mplayer will not le me play this link to the audio or videi feed from 
> the Tour de France.
>typical link 
> is:http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/oln/tdf2003video/05action2_100.wvx

mplayer handles it for me  (mind you, I've done it from a terminal
session and am only assuming it spat out video and audio on my machine
at home, terrifying the girlfriend no doubt)

VIDEO:  [WMV3]  176x132  24bpp
==
Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders
AUDIO: 11025 Hz, 1 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 1002->22050 (8.0 kbit)
Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm:ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (ffmpeg))
==
vo: X11 running at 1280x1024 with depth 16 and 16 bpp (":0" => local
display)
Disabling DPMS
==
Opening video decoder: [dmo] DMO video codecs
External func OLEAUT32.dll:8
DMO dll supports VO Optimizations 0 1
DMO dll might use previous sample when requested
GetOutput r=0x0   size:69696  align:1
StreamCount r=0x0  1  1
Decoder supports the following YUV formats: YV12 YUY2 UYVY YVYU
Decoder is capable of YUV output (flags 0x1b)
VDec: vo config request - 176 x 132 (preferred csp: Packed YUY2)
VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
Movie-Aspect is undefined - no prescaling applied.
VO: [xv] 176x132 => 176x132 Planar YV12
Selected video codec: [wmv9dmo] vfm:dmo (Windows Media Video 9 DMO)
==

I'm running MPlayer 0.90rc5-3.3 and have all the codecs from the
MPlayer site downloaded.

Perhaps you could try downloading all the codecs from the MPlayer web
site and recompiling?

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[SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread mlh


I've been looking for issue/problem/request tracking
software, and have send RT (request tracker) (http://bestpractical.com)
recommended in many places.

I've had a go at installing it but I must say it is _the_ most
difficult program I have had to install from source in
over 10 years.  It seems extraordinarily sensitive to versions
in all it's bits (perl, perl modules, mysql, apache modules),
and even if I do get it running I suspect it's going to be hell
to maintain/fix.

To my question ... is it worth it?  Is it really so much better
than other request/issue/problem trackers? e.g. scarab.tigris.org
for instance?  Does anyone have any other suggestions?


Regards,
Matt
PS. I'd post this to the RT list, but I'd rather not offend
them, and I think I've seen a few RT users on this SLUG list.



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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On 7/07/2003 8:55 PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've been looking for issue/problem/request tracking
software, and have send RT (request tracker) (http://bestpractical.com)
recommended in many places.
Well spotted. :)

I've had a go at installing it but I must say it is _the_ most
difficult program I have had to install from source in
over 10 years.  It seems extraordinarily sensitive to versions
in all it's bits (perl, perl modules, mysql, apache modules),
and even if I do get it running I suspect it's going to be hell
to maintain/fix.
Yes, it does need about 5384384343 perl modules. It does come with a script 
to find all its dependencies and install them for you using CPAN. I had no 
trouble doing it this way.

To my question ... is it worth it?  Is it really so much better
than other request/issue/problem trackers? e.g. scarab.tigris.org
for instance?  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
IMHO, it is worth it - specially for version 3. It's a huge improvement 
over version 2. It does take a little bit of reading to get used to it's 
permissions system but once you get the hang of it you'll love it.

HTH and regards,
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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh


> I've been looking for issue/problem/request tracking software, and have
> send RT (request tracker) (http://bestpractical.com) recommended in many
> places.

> To my question ... is it worth it?  Is it really so much better than other
> request/issue/problem trackers? e.g. scarab.tigris.org for instance?  Does
> anyone have any other suggestions?

I have a personal grudge against RT, but it certainly serves a large number
of companies (especially support and ISP admin groups) very well. So, it has
penetration, if not taste. Battle on with it first, I'd say. :-)

- Jeff

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[SLUG] netgear MA311

2003-07-07 Thread Craig Warner
I have a lot of fun and learn how to configure the basics of a Netgear
802.11b wireless PCI adaptor MA311 on a Debian workstation.



Does any one have any tips on using linux-wlan?


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[SLUG] Federal Open Source Legislation Democrats to introduce IT Bill

2003-07-07 Thread invisible ink
Craig Warner:

> Don't whether that to legislate for Open Source could be productive or
> counter productive.  Like most legislation, the meaning and purpose could
> be lost in the wording.

Yeah, between the SA Dems and the Federal Dems, this is going to be an
interesting area of debate over the next 12 months.

Personally, I'm fiercely opposed to enforced government use of FOSS, though
I think there are a number of areas that improved legislation will be a win
for everyone, but a particularly huge win for us. Examples: Preference for
open standards, merit-based procurement policies, etc.

I'm glad you brought this up; Linux Australia now has a private list for
feedback from LUG representatives, and I've just brought up this topic. If
anyone would like to comment on it, I'll summarise for the LA dudes.

Thanks,

- Jeff (taking to slug, was on slug-chat)

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
On Mon 07 Jul, Jeff Waugh bloviated thus:

> I have a personal grudge against RT, but it certainly serves a large number
> of companies (especially support and ISP admin groups) very well. So, it has
> penetration, if not taste. Battle on with it first, I'd say. :-)

If you have a personal grudge, what's the alternative.

I can certainly tell people a commercial product they must avoid: PVCS
Tracker.  It's _WOEFUL_.

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 21:59, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> On Mon 07 Jul, Jeff Waugh bloviated thus:
> 
> > I have a personal grudge against RT, but it certainly serves a large number
> > of companies (especially support and ISP admin groups) very well. So, it has
> > penetration, if not taste. Battle on with it first, I'd say. :-)
> 
> If you have a personal grudge, what's the alternative.
> 
> I can certainly tell people a commercial product they must avoid: PVCS
> Tracker.  It's _WOEFUL_.

We use a product called HEAT.  We are onto our third training session on
how to use it.  They still have not figured out it is a dog :-(

What is wrong with issuezilla?

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh


> What is wrong with issuezilla?

Issuezilla is Sun's renamed Bugzilla because they're politically correct and
customer friendly. :-) The trouble with bugzilla is that it doesn't include
much in the way of queueing, as a ticket tracking system such as RT does. RT
takes half the crack of bugzilla, and adds fork-in-they-eye interface design
on top. But some people love it! :-)

(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive alternative, much
to my chagrin.)

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Gonzalo Servat
On 7/07/2003 10:10 PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:

(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive alternative, much
to my chagrin.)
I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk 
[http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.

Best regards,
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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread mlh
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:01:52 +1000
Gonzalo Servat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it does need about 5384384343 perl modules. It does come with a script 
> to find all its dependencies and install them for you using CPAN. I had no 
> trouble doing it this way.

I haven't been able to get CPAN working.  It does some really
odd things like try fetch, ncftp, wget, curl blah blah to get
the modules, and it seems to fail to distinguish between the
lack of the program and the failure to connect to cpan.  Worse,
I have no trust in it being able to get the particular version
of, say, html::mason that RT requires. I've heard that CPAN will
even do dubious things like upgrade core modules that you might
depend on.   Why does't RT just include the extras modules that
are known to work with it in a RT specific @INC directory?
I've tried to get the modules manually, but there is often NO
correlation between the module name as stated by perl/RT,
and the actual tar.gz on cpan.

EVEN IF I got CPAN working to my satisfaction, I always like
to bundle up work I do so that I can just do a reinstall by
just untarring or rpm'ing.  Dumping foreign modules into perl,
even site_perl makes that problematical.

> > To my question ... is it worth it?  Is it really so much better
> > than other request/issue/problem trackers? e.g. scarab.tigris.org
> > for instance?  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> 
> IMHO, it is worth it - specially for version 3. It's a huge improvement 
> over version 2. It does take a little bit of reading to get used to it's 
> permissions system but once you get the hang of it you'll love it.

OK, I'll persevere a little more, but it's hurting.

How about gnats?  Anyone work with that?

Matt

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RE: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jon Biddell
-=> We use a product called HEAT.  We are onto our third 
-=> training session on how to use it.  They still have not 
-=> figured out it is a dog :-(

We use HEAT over 6 campuses and it is a pile of steaming dog faeces, and
that's being polite - someone was 'hand in glove' with the supplier
which is why we have it

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread mlh
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:43:19 +1000
"Jon Biddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -=> We use a product called HEAT.  We are onto our third 
> -=> training session on how to use it.  They still have not 
> -=> figured out it is a dog :-(
> 
> We use HEAT over 6 campuses and it is a pile of steaming dog faeces, and
> that's being polite - someone was 'hand in glove' with the supplier
> which is why we have it

It seems this field is riven with bad software.  I've used
Remedy/ARS in a past job, and it was baaad.  And I think
it's the market leader!

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Re: [SLUG] Newbie here.. a few basic dumb questions.

2003-07-07 Thread Heracles

> 2) I have a Compaq Qvision 172 monitor and a SiS2326
> video chipset. However, the screen still looks
> somewhat "bulky" and not as hi-res as I would have
> expected. Is there any way to find out exactly what I
> can do?

Never seen the SiS2326, but the SiS6326 was not easy to run under 
early versions of X I had to get a special driver from SuSE to 
run the one I had. Later versions of X such as those included 
with Red Hat 8.0 and later could handle it in the SVGA drivers.


> 3) I tried just a basic "Hello world" C prog to test
> out gcc and g++ however, when I try to run the a.out,
> it won't recognise it as an executable. Do I need to
> link this file in some way? I've tried using chmod to
> force it to be executable but to no avail.

presumably your command line is something like: 
# gcc -D_GNU_SOURCE hello.c -o hello
# ./hello
or some such. Note the . and / before the executable. It tells 
Linux that the binary is in the current working directory.

Stay well and happy
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[SLUG] Load on mysql or ldap on red hat 9

2003-07-07 Thread Del
Hi,

Does anyone else here have a Red Hat 9 server running mysql
or openldap under heavy load?  In the new glibc 2.3.2 architecture
with the new threading libraries it runs these under a single
process, rather than many processes as in previous releases
of Red Hat.
Overall I'm seeing some instability, including tendency to
stop (permanently) accepting new connections after being loaded,
even when the load drops away, mysql / openldap server
process lockups, and some occasions where it appears to run
to 100% CPU even when quiet.  It happens on 3 separate servers
all of which are under fairly peaky heavy load, but isn't
apparent on a much more lightly loaded server.
Prior to upgrading to 9 from 7.3 all of these servers were
fine (yes I am considering a downgrade).
I notice that Apache and IMAPD, which also are heavily loaded
on servers with an identical configuration but run as multiple
separate processes per server, don't have the same instability.
It's hard for me to put a finger on what's happening, code-
wise, I was just wondering whether anyone else had seen it.
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Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..

2003-07-07 Thread Anand Kumria
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:53:11PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Matt Hope wrote:
> 
> > There have been mumbings and some comments made about the current
> > location for the Debian Interest Group meetings - currently, the
> > Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel.
> 
> Not too bad, but it tends to be a bit noisy.  It also fails on your "public
> transport" requirement - it's not near public transport, IMO.  Better than,
> say, Miller would be (look it up on your outer outer western Sydney maps),
> but it's still not particularly close to the Train station.
> 
> > I'm interested if anyone has any comments about the current venue
> > (good or bad), and any possible alternative suggestions.
> > 
> > Currently, I believe we need a location that
> >   - has food and drink nearby,
> >   - is accessable via public transport
> >   - is in a fairly central location
> 
> - Doesn't cost much to hire (which I believe is one of the problems voiced
> with the WBH).  Considering the amount of food and drink bought (especially

The secret incantantion is "community group" and all costs are waived.
Cost has only been an issue for me when I booked DebSIG the second time
and couldn't remember the phrase.

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Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..

2003-07-07 Thread Anand Kumria
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:45:00PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
> 
> So, capping up:
> Currently, I believe we need a location that
>   - has food and drink nearby,
>   - is 'safely' accessable via public transport
>   - is in a fairly central location
>   - meeting room
>   - ?? under 18s without escort ??
>   - reasonable costs
>   - 'safe' for those driving post-work
> 
> WBH doesn't meet several of those requirements, and off-hand nothing
> comes to mind that does. Mind you - that's off-hand.
> 
> So, can I suggest that anyone who can come up with alternatives simply
> name them? IMO All the requirements are must-haves with one exception -
> the under 18s w/out escort.


On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:13:42AM +1000, Matt Hope wrote:
> 
> PS: There is also some discussion about an alternate venue...
>

Okay, on the presumption that people are interested in continuing at a
bar (preferably with pool tables) then either the CBD, the Grace hotel
or even the Forbes may be suitable.

The problem that all three venues have -- is that there is no enclosed,
private area like there is at the WBH. I've had someone mention that the
Edinburgh Castle may be worth a look though.

Despite all the negatives listed above, the best thing about the WBH is
the (two) private areas where you can hold a meeting.

If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney
to find a suitable location, let me know.

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Re: [SLUG] Partition resize...

2003-07-07 Thread Simon Wong
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 14:49, Douglas Stalker wrote:
> Knoppix includes resize2fs, which makes it easy to boot up off the CD and 
> resize the partitions on the hard-drive.

The other day I tried to use Knoppix to resize a partition but kept
getting error messages about access denied.

Is there something special you need to do to allow you to access drive
paritions?

In the end I have found that LNX BBC (www.lnx-bbc.org) was excellent
(has parted, fdisk and cfdisk).


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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread David Kempe
Try Debian, it does make it alot less painful.
there are packages for unstable for rt2 I think.
and the excellent perl packaging makes it alot easier on woody

dave

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Re: [Debian-au] Re: [SLUG] Debian SIG Location..

2003-07-07 Thread Matthew Davidson
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:46:21 +1000
Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, on the presumption that people are interested in continuing at a
> bar (preferably with pool tables) then either the CBD, the Grace hotel
> or even the Forbes may be suitable.
> 
> The problem that all three venues have -- is that there is no > enclosed, private 
> area like there is at the WBH. I've had someone > mention that the Edinburgh Castle 
> may be worth a look though.
> 
> Despite all the negatives listed above, the best thing about the WBH > is the (two) 
> private areas where you can hold a meeting.
> 

The Crown Hotel on the corner of (I think) Elizabeth and Goulburn Streets has an 
upstairs bar that is usually closed and available for private functions; would fit 
perhaps a couple of dozen people.  A friend of mine used to run a discussion group 
there, and if the venue wasn't free it would have been very, very cheap.

> If anyone is interested in doing a (educational) pub crawl around Sydney
> to find a suitable location, let me know.

Ah, those educational pub crawls.  I'm a martyr to my thirst for knowledge.

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[SLUG] Debian SIG (Sydney) [July 9th]: rdesktop

2003-07-07 Thread Matt Hope

This month, Matt Chapman, author of rdesktop[1] will be talking about
where rdeskop has come from, where it is going to, and the obstacles
along the way.

1: http://www.rdesktop.org/

Don't forget to bring your GPG keys, keys are good and need signing.

  http://sydney.debian.net/

Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel - boardroom (upstairs)
When: Wednesday, 11th of June 19:00 - 20:00 
Cost: $0 (plus food/drink)
Misc: Dinner, alcohol are available
Park: - Lincoln Cr (recommended, open til late)
  - Domain (closes 21:00) or
  - Beside the Bells Hotel

PS: There is also some discussion about an alternate venue...

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh


> On 7/07/2003 10:10 PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> >(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive alternative,
> >much to my chagrin.)
> 
> I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk
> [http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.

Yeah, sorry: s/alternative/alternative in the Free World/

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I've had a go at installing it but I must say it is _the_ most
>difficult program I have had to install from source in
>over 10 years.  It seems extraordinarily sensitive to versions
>in all it's bits (perl, perl modules, mysql, apache modules),
>and even if I do get it running I suspect it's going to be hell
>to maintain/fix.

It's pretty hard the first time, but once you know what it wants to do,
it's easy to do.  I have rpms of RT3 and the supporting CPAN modules
that aren't in RH, and run it with mod_fastcgi.  I can make some spec files
and rpms available if you like.

>To my question ... is it worth it?  Is it really so much better
>than other request/issue/problem trackers? e.g. scarab.tigris.org
>for instance?  Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Never heard of scarab.  There were no other ticketing systems when I looked,
RT is the best of a bad bunch, imho.  It's getting better all the time
though.

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Jeff" == Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jeff> 
>> On 7/07/2003 10:10 PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>> 
>> >(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive
>> alternative, >much to my chagrin.)
>> 
>> I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk
>> [http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.

Jeff> Yeah, sorry: s/alternative/alternative in the Free World/

I've used gnats, jitterbug and req.  Gnats is more of a problem report
handler; jitterbug and req (which is unfortunately no longer
maintained) more of a trouble ticket handler.  

http://www.generalconcepts.com/resources/tracking/ has a summary of
lots of trouble ticket systems.

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jeff Waugh


> > > >(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive alternative,
> > > >>much to my chagrin.)
> > > 
> > > I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk
> > > [http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.
> 
> Jeff> Yeah, sorry: s/alternative/alternative in the Free World/
> 
> I've used gnats, jitterbug and req.  Gnats is more of a problem report
> handler; jitterbug and req (which is unfortunately no longer maintained)
> more of a trouble ticket handler.  

Emphasis on "competitive". RT is hideous, but it does the job. :-)

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[SLUG] A GhostView question.

2003-07-07 Thread Bill Bennett
I've a PostScript file that I should be able to view with
GhostScript.

The command

> gv file.ps

produces

> gv: Unable to open the display

Presumably I'm missing something.

Could anyone suggest a command that would give some indication of
what's wrong, please?

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Jeff" == Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jeff> 
>> > > >(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive
>> alternative, > > >>much to my chagrin.)
>> > > 
>> > > I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk > >
>> [http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.
>> 
Jeff> Yeah, sorry: s/alternative/alternative in the Free World/
>>  I've used gnats, jitterbug and req.  Gnats is more of a problem
>> report handler; jitterbug and req (which is unfortunately no longer
>> maintained) more of a trouble ticket handler.

Jeff> Emphasis on "competitive". RT is hideous, but it does the
Jeff> job. :-)

Have you tried RoundUp?  http://roundup.sourceforge.net/
It's written in Python which (for someone with a perl loathing) is an
advantage.  I haven't tried it, but have heard good things about it.
It *does* appear competitive with RT.

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[SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Bill Bennett
I've a rather exotic Compact Disk that I'd like to copy.
Two symphonies, each of three movements.

Unfortunately, whoever laid out this disc had probably been
smoking substances: each movement is separated by 2 seconds and
the symphonies by 3.

I can rip the disc without difficulty.

When I burn it, I'd like to separate the movements with
(approximately) 15 seconds and the symphonies by (approximately) 30.

On looking over man cdrecord, the -pad option seems to be what's
the matter. It pads the audio data to be a multiple of 2352 bytes.

Unfortunately, I don't know what this equates to in seconds.

Can anyone help, please? 

Regards,

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[SLUG] A GhostView question.

2003-07-07 Thread Peter Chubb
> "Bill" == Bill Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bill> I've a PostScript file that I should be able to view with
Bill> GhostScript.

Bill> The command

Bill>> gv file.ps

Bill> produces

Bill>> gv: Unable to open the display

Are you doing this within X ?  What's the value of $DISPLAY ?
Can you do 
xterm
and what does it say when you try?

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Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?

2003-07-07 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Peter Chubb wrote:
>> "Jeff" == Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Jeff> 
>>> > > >(In answer to Simon's question - there is no competitive
>>> alternative, > > >>much to my chagrin.)
>>> > > 
>>> > > I've heard good things about Cerberus Helpdesk > >
>>> [http://www.cerberusweb.com]. Not too expensive either.
>>> 
>Jeff> Yeah, sorry: s/alternative/alternative in the Free World/
>>>  I've used gnats, jitterbug and req.  Gnats is more of a problem
>>> report handler; jitterbug and req (which is unfortunately no longer
>>> maintained) more of a trouble ticket handler.
>
>Jeff> Emphasis on "competitive". RT is hideous, but it does the
>Jeff> job. :-)
>
>Have you tried RoundUp?  http://roundup.sourceforge.net/
>It's written in Python which (for someone with a perl loathing) is an
>advantage.  I haven't tried it, but have heard good things about it.
>It *does* appear competitive with RT.

At a first glimpse, it looks less customisable than RT -- the
"bug/wish/critical" sections on the demo for example.  (caveat, I haven't
looked to see how that's being done, if it's a local configuration or not)

RT allows you to do whatever you like with tickets, you can define your own
structure, labelling, presentation of tickets to fit your requirements.  RT
is really quite powerful, but that makes the design of the system quite
haard to grasp initially.  perhaps some of it is unnecessarily complex, but
the default setup is good enough to get started and tweak.  The
documentation is pretty light, but the mailing list is useful for
understanding how things are done the RT way.

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Re: [SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Felix Sheldon
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:11, Bill Bennett wrote:
> I've a rather exotic Compact Disk that I'd like to copy.
> Two symphonies, each of three movements.
> 
> Unfortunately, whoever laid out this disc had probably been
> smoking substances: each movement is separated by 2 seconds and
> the symphonies by 3.
> 
> I can rip the disc without difficulty.
> 
> When I burn it, I'd like to separate the movements with
> (approximately) 15 seconds and the symphonies by (approximately) 30.
> 
> On looking over man cdrecord, the -pad option seems to be what's
> the matter. It pads the audio data to be a multiple of 2352 bytes.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know what this equates to in seconds.
> 
> Can anyone help, please? 
> 

The 'padsize=' option looks like a better bet.

"To pad the equivalent of 20 minutes on
a CD, you may write padsize=20x60x75s."

So you might try padsize=30x75s (the s refers to sectors, not seconds.)

The manual says this needs to be specified for each track though.

The pad option seems to just increase the file by only a little until
the total size is a multiple of 2352 bytes. CD audio is 16bits per
channel at 44KHz, which works out to 176000 bytes per second, so 2352
bytes is approximately bugger all ;)



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[SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
Hey slugs,

2 parts to this:

Does anyone know of a way to have a single ssh-agent running on a machine
per user, so that when they log in on the console, or via {k,g,x}dm, or ssh,
only one ssh-agent is running?

Does anyone know how to have ssh keys loaded into ssh-agent without having
ssh-add ask for a passphrase, until that key is used?  So I can have all the
keys I use loaded at ssh-agent start, but I get prompted for a passphrase on
the key only when ssh tries to use that key?  Or perhaps a way for the key
to get added to ssh-agent when ssh needs it?

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Re: [SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Jan Schmidt


> When I burn it, I'd like to separate the movements with
> (approximately) 15 seconds and the symphonies by (approximately) 30.

I'd be more inclined to rip the audio to wav files and edit those to include
the required silences, but I'm an amateur at fiddling with audio CD track
indexes.

> On looking over man cdrecord, the -pad option seems to be what's
> the matter. It pads the audio data to be a multiple of 2352 bytes.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know what this equates to in seconds.
> 

1/75th of a second. 

44.1kHz stereo 16bit audio = 44100 * 2 * 2 = 176400 bytes/sec

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Re: [SLUG] A GhostView question.

2003-07-07 Thread Bill Bennett
In answer to Peter's question:

I'm doing this from a terminal interface.

Unsure of how to determine $DISPLAY

When I type in xterm I am told:

> xterm Xt error: Can't open display:

Bill Bennett.

=+-> 
=+-> Are you doing this within X ?  What's the value of $DISPLAY ?
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=+-> xterm
=+-> and what does it say when you try?
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Re: [SLUG] Partition resize...

2003-07-07 Thread Douglas Stalker


> 
> The other day I tried to use Knoppix to resize a partition but kept
> getting error messages about access denied.
> 
> Is there something special you need to do to allow you to access drive
> paritions?
> 

Did you run the resize utility as root?  The
knoppix GUI starts up as user knoppix; to become root you need to switch
to one of the consoles (ctrl-alt-1 for console 1, etc) and either do it
from there, or set a root password (passwd) and go back to the gui and
run su to become root.

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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread John Clarke
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:40:03PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to have a single ssh-agent running on a machine
> per user, so that when they log in on the console, or via {k,g,x}dm, or ssh,
> only one ssh-agent is running?

At boot time start one agent per user:

su - $user -c "ssh-agent > ~$user/ssh-agent.sh"

then at each login run:

eval `grep SSH_AUTH_SOCK ~/ssh-agent.sh`; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK

ssh uses $SSH_AUTH_SOCK to talk to the agent.

> Does anyone know how to have ssh keys loaded into ssh-agent without having
> ssh-add ask for a passphrase, until that key is used?  So I can have all the
> keys I use loaded at ssh-agent start, but I get prompted for a passphrase on
> the key only when ssh tries to use that key?  Or perhaps a way for the key
> to get added to ssh-agent when ssh needs it?

No idea, sorry.


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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Andrew McNaughton
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

> Hey slugs,
>
> 2 parts to this:
>
> Does anyone know of a way to have a single ssh-agent running on a machine
> per user, so that when they log in on the console, or via {k,g,x}dm, or ssh,
> only one ssh-agent is running?

if you run ssh-agent without giving it a child command to run, then it
outputs a bunch of stuff you can run in a shell command:

SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-8e1dxwe3/agent.24927; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK;
SSH_AGENT_PID=24928; export SSH_AGENT_PID;
echo Agent pid 24928;

You could pipe that to a file in the user's home directory which you will
run as part of your login procedure, whether that be through a .xsession,
a .profile, or whatever.

You will need to be able to identify whether the agent is actually
running or not, and start it if necessary.  I'm guessing that
$SSH_AUTH_SOCK dissapears when the agent dies.

You also need to think about when the agent should die, and make that
happen.

As always, be aware that anyone who can connect to the agent socket can
authenticate using whatever keys the agent has.  You've got to trust the
root user.  I bring this up because if you're logging in via ssh, then
it's worth thinking whether you should be logging in to somewhere else
from there rather than connecting directly.  Personally I don't like to
put extra machines in the middle of the connection.

> Does anyone know how to have ssh keys loaded into ssh-agent without having
> ssh-add ask for a passphrase, until that key is used?  So I can have all the
> keys I use loaded at ssh-agent start, but I get prompted for a passphrase on
> the key only when ssh tries to use that key?  Or perhaps a way for the key
> to get added to ssh-agent when ssh needs it?

That would be seriously insecure.

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Re: [SLUG] A GhostView question.

2003-07-07 Thread Mike Alonzo
> "Bill" == Bill Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bill> In answer to Peter's question: I'm doing this from a terminal
Bill> interface.

Bill> Unsure of how to determine $DISPLAY

Bill> When I type in xterm I am told:

>> xterm Xt error: Can't open display:

You have to be inside X to use Ghostscript.

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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:40, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> Hey slugs,
> 
> 2 parts to this:
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to have a single ssh-agent running on a machine
> per user, so that when they log in on the console, or via {k,g,x}dm, or ssh,
> only one ssh-agent is running?

You may like keychain.

> Does anyone know how to have ssh keys loaded into ssh-agent without having
> ssh-add ask for a passphrase, until that key is used?  So I can have all the
> keys I use loaded at ssh-agent start, but I get prompted for a passphrase on
> the key only when ssh tries to use that key?  Or perhaps a way for the key
> to get added to ssh-agent when ssh needs it?

I suspect this is impossible. The key is not usable until it's decrypted
by the passphrase. Until it's decrypted, it can't be used in
handshaking: thus all keys need to be known before the first ssh
handshake of a given protocol.

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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Andrew McNaughton wrote:
>That would be seriously insecure.

How so?  The key couldn't be used until the passphrase was entered.  I want
my passphrases to be asked for on demand.  keeping the *already passphrased*
keys in ssh-agent all the time is insecure.

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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:40, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> Hey slugs,
>> 
>> 2 parts to this:
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a way to have a single ssh-agent running on a machine
>> per user, so that when they log in on the console, or via {k,g,x}dm, or ssh,
>> only one ssh-agent is running?
>
>You may like keychain.

Looks interesting.  Who'd have thought something useful would come out of
the gentoo project? :-)

>> Does anyone know how to have ssh keys loaded into ssh-agent without having
>> ssh-add ask for a passphrase, until that key is used?  So I can have all the
>> keys I use loaded at ssh-agent start, but I get prompted for a passphrase on
>> the key only when ssh tries to use that key?  Or perhaps a way for the key
>> to get added to ssh-agent when ssh needs it?
>
>I suspect this is impossible. The key is not usable until it's decrypted
>by the passphrase. Until it's decrypted, it can't be used in
>handshaking: thus all keys need to be known before the first ssh
>handshake of a given protocol.

Ok, thanks.  I'll probably do something with a shell script wrapper that
does the ssh-add for me depending on which host I'm connecting to, then.

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Re: [SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Bill Bennett
Many thanks for the reply.

Well, padsize is listed as a track option, so it seems that I'll
have to burn the disc "manually", ie.,

> cdrecord -multi -padsize=15x60x75s audiofile1

The -multi to ensure that I can add the next file; the -padsize
to add the 15 seconds after audiofile1

After audiofile2, I'd command

> cdrecord -multi -padsize=30x60x75s audiofile3

Does this make sense so far?

Regards,

Bill.

=+-> The 'padsize=' option looks like a better bet.
=+-> 
=+-> "To pad the equivalent of 20 minutes on
=+-> a CD, you may write padsize=20x60x75s."
=+-> 
=+-> So you might try padsize=30x75s (the s refers to sectors, not seconds.)
=+-> 
=+-> The manual says this needs to be specified for each track though.
=+-> 
=+-> The pad option seems to just increase the file by only a little until
=+-> the total size is a multiple of 2352 bytes. CD audio is 16bits per
=+-> channel at 44KHz, which works out to 176000 bytes per second, so 2352
=+-> bytes is approximately bugger all ;)
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Re: [SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Jan Schmidt


> Many thanks for the reply.
> 
> Well, padsize is listed as a track option, so it seems that I'll
> have to burn the disc "manually", ie.,
> 
> > cdrecord -multi -padsize=15x60x75s audiofile1
> 
> The -multi to ensure that I can add the next file; the -padsize
> to add the 15 seconds after audiofile1
> 
> After audiofile2, I'd command
> 
> > cdrecord -multi -padsize=30x60x75s audiofile3
> 

I'd think this should work:

cdrecord padsize=15x60x75s audiofile1 ... padsize=30x60x75s audiofile3 ...

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Re: [SLUG] A GhostView question.

2003-07-07 Thread Bill Bennett
Unfortunately, you're right: I went back to Gnome and ran gv from
the "run" application.

Curses. Unfortunately, I upgraded from Redhat7 to 8. In 7, I
used to be able to use gv at the command line. On reflection,
I suspect a knowledgable friend, knowing that I was happier
here, slipped in an alias. I don't suppose you could suggest
one? I'm a bit out of my depth here.

Regards,

Bill.

On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 04:23:05PM +1000, Mike Alonzo spake thusly:
=+-> > "Bill" == Bill Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
=+-> 
=+-> Bill> In answer to Peter's question: I'm doing this from a terminal
=+-> Bill> interface.
=+-> 
=+-> Bill> Unsure of how to determine $DISPLAY
=+-> 
=+-> Bill> When I type in xterm I am told:
=+-> 
=+-> >> xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
=+-> 
=+-> You have to be inside X to use Ghostscript.
=+-> 
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Re: [SLUG] CD tracks and their intervals.

2003-07-07 Thread Felix Sheldon
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 16:42, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> 
> 
> > Many thanks for the reply.
> > 
> > Well, padsize is listed as a track option, so it seems that I'll
> > have to burn the disc "manually", ie.,
> > 
> > > cdrecord -multi -padsize=15x60x75s audiofile1
> > 
> > The -multi to ensure that I can add the next file; the -padsize
> > to add the 15 seconds after audiofile1
> > 
> > After audiofile2, I'd command
> > 
> > > cdrecord -multi -padsize=30x60x75s audiofile3
> > 
> 
> I'd think this should work:
> 
> cdrecord padsize=15x60x75s audiofile1 ... padsize=30x60x75s audiofile3 ...
> 


Maybe:

cdrecord dev=whatever -audio padsize=15x75s track1 padsize=15x75s track2
padsize=30x75s track3 padsize=15x75s track4 etc. etc.

15x60x75s would be 15 *minutes* of silence at the end of the track.



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Re: [SLUG] ssh-agent passphrase-on-demand

2003-07-07 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 16:53, Mikolaj Habryn wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 16:25, Robert Collins wrote:
> > I suspect this is impossible. The key is not usable until it's decrypted
> > by the passphrase. Until it's decrypted, it can't be used in
> > handshaking: thus all keys need to be known before the first ssh
> > handshake of a given protocol.
> 
> Technically no. The ssh client advertises the public keys that it thinks
> it has matching private keys for, so the suggestion is eminently
> feasible. Just a SMOP.
> 
> m, contemplating dusting off keymgr.

Oh, thats good to know. (I didn't realise it was policy not technical
limits)...

Anyway, -t to ssh-add and ssh-agent seems to address the security
concern Jamie has...

Rob
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