Re: [SLUG] HP netserver LH plus
begin Chris Henman quotation: I have recently acquired an HP netServer LH plus with 4x4GB discs and would very much like some doco for it. My intention is to run some species of linux on it. So, I asked my friend Google about that machine, and he said: Pentium 133 MHz or 166 MHz on daughterboard. Socket for second CPU. Board upgrade kit is (was?) available for Pentium Pro. 2 integrated 40 MHz SCSI-2 chains, dual SCSI backplanes, 6 hot-swap, hot-spare disk modules. Also, one separate half-height shelf for one non-hot-swap hard drive. 4 PCI slots 1 combo PCI/EISA slot 4 EISA slots Proprietary 60 ns ECC EDO DIMMs, 4 sockets. Each can take 16, 32, 64, or 128 MB modules. CD-ROM, 4X, SCSI-2 Integrated video, said to do SVGA, 16 bpp, 1024x768 (which implies 2 MB video RAM) EISA config and BIOS Setup is very likely through an HP NetServer Navigator bootable CD disk, which you'll want to acquire. External SCSI-2 connector Optional smart redundant power supply module These are very nice old machines. I've worked on many of them at client sites, usually running Novell NetWare. For their day, they were fast and rock-solid. What chipsets do they include? Good question. I'm afraid the best way to get that information is to open up the enclosure and determine that visually. Armed with that information, you'll almost certainly have no problem at all with the Linux distribution of your choice. -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Epson 6 colour inkjets under Linux
begin Terry Collins quotation: Does anyone have any experience with an Epson 6 colour inkjet under Linux? Or should I just stick to a four colour? Reports on the six-colour Epson Photo series, such as the Stylus Photo 890, are actually quite promising. I would pay close attention to Grant Taylor's http://www.linuxprinting.org/suggested.html page. [2] The only way I can find technical specs as oppossed to sales specs in the HP site is through a Google search. No google page = no specs available. Yes, the HP site is horrible for that, and has been for several years. -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Kernel Goodness..
begin Steve Downing quotation: To get to 2.4.12 from 2.4.9 source... do I apply 2.4.10, 2.4.11 and 2.4.12 patches or just 2.4.12 or 2.4.10 and 2.4.12 ? You have to apply each of the successive patches incrementally. The process is a bit mysterious at first, but the Kernel HOWTO is a big help: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/kernel-HOWTO.html -- This message falsely claims to have been scanned for viruses with F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange and to have been found clean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Vulnerabilities - linux v. windows
begin Silcock, Stephen quotation: - Default installations. I think you'd find more of these vulnerabilities are exploitable in a default install of Windows than a default install of say RedHat or Debian. I'd say there's really no such thing as a default install in Debian. One can consider that a bug or a feature, per inclination. But I will say that you'll never get pushed towards sendmail, wu-ftpd, or BIND v. 8.x -- so you're already slightly ahead, right there. In any event, once you add an alert system administrator into the picture, any *ix can be made security-tolerable with a bit of work. (I'll ignore the suggestion that one might do likewise for MS-Windows, else I'd risk hurting myself from laughter.) In case they're useful, here are some of the classic texts, helpful in adding that one essential ingredient -- an alert sysadmin: DNS and BIND, Cricket Liu, O'Reilly TCP/IP Network Administration, Craig Hunt, O'Reilly Unix System Administration Handbook, Evi Nemeth et al., Prentice Hall Essential System Administration, Aeleen Frisch, O'Reilly Linux System Administration; M Carling, Stephen Degler, Jim Dennis; New Riders (a different sort of book, but needed) Building Internet Firewalls, Brent Chapman et al., O'Reilly Firewalls and Internet Security, Wm. Cheswick Steven Bellovin, Addison-Wesley And some more of my recommendations are quoted here (along with those of lots of other people, so I can't be responsible for the latter): http://www.mezzaninereader.com/macosxbooks.html (It refers to something I try to hammer into people: Many of the really bad technical books are bad mainly because they're attempting to be both a tutorial and a reference at the same time -- which is not possible, and just makes the book useless as either one.) And some may find helpful an article of mine: http://www.itworld.com/Sec/2199/LWD000829hacking/ -- Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul? -- The Cube, forum3000.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Vulnerabilities - linux v. windows
begin Jeff Waugh quotation: There's the default setup of the packages though - inetd and snmpd are two good examples of non-good defaults in Debian packages. Hmm. My Debian server's installation-default /etc/inetd.conf went in like this: #:INTERNAL: Internal services #echo stream tcp nowait rootinternal #echo dgram udp waitrootinternal #chargenstream tcp nowait rootinternal #chargendgram udp waitrootinternal discard stream tcp nowait rootinternal discard dgram udp waitrootinternal daytime stream tcp nowait rootinternal #daytimedgram udp waitrootinternal timestream tcp nowait rootinternal #time dgram udp waitrootinternal #:STANDARD: These are standard services. #:BSD: Shell, login, exec and talk are BSD protocols. #:MAIL: Mail, news and uucp services. smtpstream tcp nowait mail/usr/sbin/exim exim -bs #:INFO: Info services #:BOOT: Tftp service is provided primarily for booting. Most sites # run this only on machines acting as boot servers. #:RPC: RPC based services #:HAM-RADIO: amateur-radio services #:OTHER: Other services That's not bad. Of course, the default only lasted about five seconds. grin That's the result of that essential ingredient I mentioned. Every distro has this issue, it's a tough one to get right. I leave this debate for those who're obliged to worry about systems lacking the essential ingredient. Any alert sysadmin will only run the services he's decided on running, have installed only CGI scripts he's checked and decided he needs, etc. If you want a system that installs with all possible services firmly disabled by default, use OpenBSD. But I personally found that approach to be ludicrous and a pain in the neck. I haven't used SNMP lately, so can't check to see what you mean. The other matter, which I alluded to briefly, strikes me as more of a real issue: Why should a distribution offer for installatiion as default selections BIND v. 8, sendmail, and wu-ftpd, in this day and age? Those all have hideously bad security histories, can be expected to have ongoing problems, and I'd not use any of them. (Again, the alert sysadmin _can and will_ fix that, by yanking them out and replacing them with better-designed alternatives. But it's a nuisance.) -- Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul? -- The Cube, forum3000.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] video/audio cards for Linux
[I'm assuming the mailing list was dropped from distribution
accidentally.]
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation:
My pick: ATI Radeon.
Are you referring to the XFree86 drivers for this or external ones?
Do you have a pointer to them if the latter?
At the time, we were using XFree86 4.0.1, which had a
problem supporting acceleration features in the Radeon's ATI S2464
chipset, especially when used on very fast-CPU systems. Fixing that
required a one-line patch supplied by Darryl Straus. I'm pretty certain
that XFree86 4.1.0 includes the patch.[1]
To correct what I said earlier: With the SB Live card, you'll want
kernel 2.4.8 + patches or later, not 2.4.6 + patches. That's what I
get for writing from memory.
A few other tweaks proved also necessary: Enable Use PCI Interrupt
Entries In MP Table in the motherboard BIOS, and pass the booting Linux
kernel the noapic parameter to keep the AMD766 north-bridge chip
out of APIC mode, which can cause hangs.
[1] Or use this, if you're stuck with XFree86 4.0.1, and don't mind
recompiling:
Index: radeon_driver.c
===
RCS file:
/home/x-cvs/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_driver.c,v
retrieving revision 1.33
diff -u -r1.33 radeon_driver.c
--- radeon_driver.c 2001/08/07 07:04:43 1.33
+++ radeon_driver.c 2001/08/09 23:00:20
@@ -3588,6 +3588,7 @@
OUTREG(RADEON_DAC_CNTL2, restore-dac2_cntl);
RADEONRestoreMode(pScrn, restore);
+usleep(10);
if(!info-IsSecondary)
{
vgaHWUnlock(hwp);
--
Cheers, The Viking's Reminder:
Rick Moen Pillage first, _then_ burn.
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Re: [SLUG] video/audio cards for Linux
begin Mikolaj J. Habryn quotation: What is the best (most stable, fastest) video card for Linux with open drivers? My pick: ATI Radeon. Likewise, what are the good sound card options? My pick: SoundBlaster Live. Make sure you use kernel 2.4.6 + patches or later. This is all to go into a dual Athlon, which is another reason for wanting stable, open sourced drivers if at all possible. As soon as Eric Raymond's Ultimate Linux Box article becomes available (which I helped with), you'll see an example of such a box with the aforementioned components. -- Cheers, A host is a host, from coast to coast. Rick Moen And nobody talks to a host that's close, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless the host that isn't close is busy, hung, or dead. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Multithreading vs. Forks
begin Minh Van Le quotation: Is multithreading more efficient than forks ? Views differ wildly. Or [is there] no difference under Linux ? There's a difference. But one widely held view amoung Linux developers, especially on the Linux kernel mailing list, is that regular processes in Linux are sufficiently lightweight (compared to in, say, Solaris) that threading is close to pointless. There are multiple threading models on Linux (and, indeed, various *ixes). Here's a starting point for your reading: http://linas.org/linux/threads-faq.html -- Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul? -- The Cube, forum3000.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] security question
begin Minh Van Le quotation: I heard someone say: Securety is not a package, It's a process. Bruce Schneier is known for saying Security is a process, not a product. You may find his monthly Cryptogram worthwhile reading. http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] bbstats 0.21
begin Dean Hamstead quotation: has anyone got a copy of the source for bbstats 0.21? the proper site for it according to freshmeat is gone *weep* ftpsearch.lycos.com is your friend. It's sort of the bastard stepchild of the old archie server. I saw some versions of a program called bbstats there, but suspect it's not the one you're looking for. But you might have better luck, or look more closely. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] redhat 7.1 firewall
begin John Clarke quotation: *DON'T* do this on Solaris or you'll get a nasty shock: NAME killall - kill all active processes It's the same on HP/UX, by the way. -- Cheers, A Discordian is a Taoist with a very strange sense of humour Rick Moen and the inability to sit still. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rabbi Kwan Chi Sun Lieberwitz, _Jews for Buddha Cabal_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] a pop keep on server mail client
begin Peter Rundle quotation: I'd be glad to, if I knew of one: Being a lazy git, I most recently just installed Mozilla from binary packages. Here are versions currently installed: ii libc6 2.2.3-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone ii libglib1.2 1.2.10-1.2 The GLib library of C routines ii libgtk1.2 1.2.10-1 The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X ii libjpeg62 6b-1.3 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime li ii libnspr4 0.9.3-1Netscape Portable Runtime Library ii libstdc++2.10- 2.95.4-0.01081 The GNU stdc++ library ii mozilla-browse 0.9.3-1Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser ii mozilla-psm0.9.3-1Mozilla Web Browser - Personal Security Mana ii xlibs 4.1.0-2X Window System client libraries ii zlib1g 1.1.3-15 compression library - runtime [Imagemap problems:] http://www.bom.gov.au doesn't work for me, When I move the cursor over the map of Oz it changes to a hand but clicking does nothing. NS4.78 works no problem. Yes, confirmed those resultes, here with Mozilla 0.9.3. Konqueror 2.2.1 has no problem with that one. (Please do us all a favour, and file a bug report with mozilla.org.) Yeah I know it's broken in many other ways but I'm trying to swap out Windoze desktops for Linux and I need a browser that works for things like netbanking. Understood. For whatever it's worth, I've really found the SSL support in Mozilla 0.9.x and Konqueror 2.2.x to be highly reliable. And like it or not Java and Java script are on a lot of sites I actually don't see Java on a lot of sites. Next to none at all, in fact. Javascript I insist on finding ways around, which there almost always are. I probably don't have to mention this, but client-side Javascript is simply unacceptable for security reasons: There have been, and still are, far too many nasty tricks that it can be used to carry out with your user authority. So, not wanting to be a patsy for such things, I browse with it disabled. ...I'm afraid end-users aren't prepared to sacrifice their current functionality for an ideological cause. I guess I'm at least minimally sympathetic to their problems -- in at least a vague and general sense -- but their problems don't happen to be mine. The two browsers I use routinely seem to meet my better than Communicator criterion in areas I care about. Your mileage may differ. No don't start, I get it the gnu/linux, open source free thing and understand my part and obligations in the big picture, one of which is to try to swap out windows. Gee, *I* feel no such crusading obligation. I just enjoy using what I'm privileged to have at my disposal. If it fails to meet other people's needs, I'll give them a brief moment of sympathy to be polite, and then go on about my business. If those other folk want particular sorts of software to exist, I'm sure they'll execute whatever ingenuity they possess to make that happen. (Or maybe not. Not really my problem, either way.) Biggest stumbling blocks are good web broswer and a good word replacement and Abiword looks the goods once it supports tables, and Mozilla is getting close too, just need to kick a few more goals. I'm still rather fond of WordPerfect 8.[1] Beats the heck out of Star Office for memory footprint: I recall it loading with an RSS of about 6 MB. OpenOffice pre-6.0 build 633 is also startlingly good -- printing limitations being the biggest hole I observed in a quick once-over. (There are now more-recent builds.) But in the long term, we're going to have to do something about putting an end to obscure and/or moving-target binary formats for our data. I still have DeScribe documents I can't get to, because they're locked up in a vendor-specific format inaccessible to anything else. The lesson hasn't been lost on me, and I'm going to seriously look at LyX and LaTeX, as a long-term option. Mostly, though, I write either ASCII or HTML in vim, so I'm perhaps not the right person to ask. (Not palatable to other folks you know and care about? Well, that's a shame, but I'm concentrating on solving my own problems.) [1] Still preserved at http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/apps/ -- Cheers, A Discordian is a Taoist with a very strange sense of humour Rick Moen and the inability to sit still. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rabbi Kwan Chi Sun Lieberwitz, _Jews for Buddha Cabal_ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] a pop keep on server mail client
begin Laurie Savage quotation: Try Kmail with or without fetchmail, it's a pretty nice combo and fetch mail will check your POP3 server as often as you like. (I use fetchmail on the machine to download all our mail accounts and users use whatever they like (Pine, Kmail, Balsa is less popular because of some peculiarities and I haven't been able to work out Aethera+fetchmail) Say: I happen to have been keeping a list of open-source GUI MUAs (mail clients) for Linux, as part of an essay I have for LUG founders: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/essays/newlug.html (item #23). Here they are: http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ Sylpheed http://devel-home.kde.org/~kmail/ KMail http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/ Mahogany http://www.newton.cx/balsa/main.html Balsa http://www.tarball.net/postoffice/ Post Office http://www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera/ Aethera http://ximian.com/products/ximian_evolution/ Evolution http://muhri.net/pronto/ Pronto http://spruce.sourceforge.net/ Spruce Suggested additions are always welcome. -- Cheers,Please return all dogmas to their orthodox positions. Rick Moen -- Brad Johnson, in r.a.sf.w.r-j [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] a pop keep on server mail client
begin Graeme Robinson quotation: IE is also the only browser vulnerable to the nimda virus exploit, a good reason to keep away from it. I presume you mean using IE under M$ platforms - AFAIK IE isn't available for 'nix platforms is it? A variant form of MSIE is available for Solaris and (if I recall correctly) HP/UX. You get a boatload of COM/DCOM libraries with it, which strikes me as hilarious. But at least, there, it's competing on a level playing field, since there aren't secret system calls available only to Microsoft Corporation's applications group. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] tar has 2gb limit still?
begin Luke McKee quotation: Is there a 2 gb limit in tar or kernel 2.2 smbfs driver? Eliminating the 2 GB filesize limit from utilities in 32-bit Linuxes (as opposed to, say, Linux for Alpha, where it never existed) requires the following: 1. Have kernel headers installed from either a) kernel 2.4.0test7 or later, or b) kernel 2.2.x with unofficial Large File Summit (LFS) patches, as a partial requirement to support a recompile, discussed below. 2. Have glibc 2.2 or later, compiled against those headers (thus supporting LFS calls used below). 3. Have rewritten the utilities in question to use 64-bit LFS calls for file handles and locks, instead of 32-bit ones. 4. Have recompiled those utilities under the foregoing conditions. 5. Use only filesystems capable of supporting LFS. Ones that don't include NFSv2, early ReiserFS, AFS, Coda, Intermezzo, Minix, UFS, SCO SysV, msdos/umsdos/vfat, smbfs, and NCPfs. By contrast, ext2/3, recent ReiserFS, IBM JFS, SGI XFS, and very recent NFSv3 client drivers do LFS well. The big sticking point is #3. Yr. humble correspondent is not clear on whether smbfs's problem is implementation-based or inherent in the protocol spec. Ask Tridge. ;- Other than that, the short answer is In theory, the problem can be made to go away, but you're advised not to hold your breath. Please reply. Nope. Never. I refuse. Sorry, chum. Never happen. No way, no how. Not in a million years. Ixnay on the eplyray. -- Cheers,My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] a pop keep on server mail client
begin Peter Rundle quotation: [Java:] Well I find it in a lot of web-based config tools, like Bay networks contivity, one of these management ports for our tape server, stuff like that. Calendar server uses java script, most sites with frames and a menu map have java script on them. Yep, I might have to contend with that one soon, myself, when my Cisco AIR-PCM-352 wireless ethernet card arrives. Fortunately, my wife Deirdre has taken care of the Apple Airport end of the configuration puzzle, using -- you guessed it -- an obligatory Java applet. Re vim and html, sounds like someone I know... I didn't do it. You can't prove it. The sheep are lying. ;- -- Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul? -- The Cube, forum3000.org -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Image Viewer
begin Jeff Waugh quotation: Or... Talk to the people involved in the project about their policies. There are humans behind it after all, and because they're interested in their projects being used, they listen. I appreciate the invitation, but I fear that you may be missing my point: I can best maximise my satisfaction by adapting and using the pieces I like, and discarding the rest. The entire ediface as a whole has nothing notably wrong with it; it just doesn't suit me. To my way of thinking, it's perfectly absurd to find one's self running processes one has no interest in, just because some desktop integrator decided they should be auto-executed at login time. But that is easily fixed. What is _really_ annoying is encountering newcomers to Linux who've been propagandised into believing they must choose between GNOME and KDE as if those were monolithic entities rather than motley collections of X clients, and as if they had no alternatives. The knowledge that such is not at all the case, and that we're running highly configurable and comprehensible systems, is the birthright of *ix users, and so I'm at some pains to point that out to interested parties. -- Cheers,Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is someone else's doxy. Rick Moen -- William Warburton, Bishop of Gloucester (1698-1779) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] a pop keep on server mail client
begin Peter Rundle quotation: Well I can't really flame you on mozilla mail cause I like it too especially now 0.9.4 has total and unread for mail folders. (Sometimes the refresh on the message pane is a bit slow though). BUT, mozilla the browser needs some work. I doesn't do java apps in linux, oh sure it's meant to but it doesn't. I'll be curious to find out if its OJI interface is useful, as soon as a decent open-source JVM exists. Not _very_ curious, because I have yet to see a really useful Java app (other than Mindterm, which I don't really need). It can't do https either it seems As a point of information, I use httpd on Mozilla 0.9.3 pretty much all day long. Works flawlessly -- with no NSA-mandated crippling of the crypto functions. ...and some sites imagemap hrefs just don't work. I hadn't tested that until you wrote the above. http://www.ihip.com/ seems to work fine. Ditto http://lightsphere.com/dev/ismaps/ Ditto http://www.parliament.ge/~nino/georgia.html Ditto http://persia.org/imagemap/imagemap.html I don't use imagemaps much; I'd be curious to see some examples of ones that don't work on Mozilla 0.9.x but do on some other browsers. Also needs about 3 more cups of performance added to it. (though once it is launched it renders pages pretty darn quick, and I love the block images from this server option. Get's rid of those flashing adds real quick). Yes. Opening additional Mozilla windows is also pretty darned slow. Galeon and Skipstone are a lot faster at that. Does anyone know of / use a *good* graphical browser for linux, (a serious competitor to IE on Doze), like it does Java apps, handles https, doesn't screw up framesets by getting the sizes wrong. I don't consider MSIE to be suitable at all. I can't even remember all the objectionable bits, but here's what I was able to recall recently: No other browser had a cached so poorly implemented that it crippled disk performance. None had a cookies implementation completely uncontrollable by setting file permissions. No others had the gall to advertise themselves on every printout. No others introduced ActiveX holes in your system security. Java script works properly You mean you're able to shut it off? ;- Anyhow: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#linuxbrowser -- Cheers, There's a new religious cult known as Java's Witnesses. Rick MoenThey go door to door, distributing salvation applets. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Image Viewer
begin Jeff Waugh quotation: feh - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ Rastercode Inside. imlib2 really rocks. There are a number of really good graphics utilities based on it. -- Cheers, Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? Rick Moen -- Steven Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Swapping mount points
begin Darrell Burkey quotation: I have a system that I partitioned poorly and now find that I have /home on a rather large partition and /var on a rather small partition. If I could easily swap these two mount points life would be good. I second Andrew's remarks. Go to /var and do du -Hs to find out how many bytes are stored, there. Then, do df -h to find out how much free space there is on /home (and elsewhere). If there's enough free space on /home to add a copy of /var's files alongside its existing contents, then you can probably shuffle files around without having to repartition. (Don't forget to also verify that the total size of your current /var is big enough to comfortably hold the existing contents of /home.) Assuming there's sufficient wiggle room, do this: Go to single-user mode. Do cd / ; cp -axr /var /home. Spot-check the new directory inside /home, to make sure everything seems to be there. Do rm -rf /var. Do mkdir var. Do cd / ; cp -axr /home/* /home/.??* /var Spot-check the new home directories and whatever stuff within /var. Do cd / ; umount /home /var. Edit /etc/fstab, to exchange mounting points for the two directories. Do mount -a to remount according to the revised /etc/fstab. Warning: It's morning here, and I am absolutely not a morning person. There may well be bonehead errors in the above on account of insufficient caffeine. But it will at least illustrate the concept. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [OT] Someone trying to hack me
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation: Well, think about it. Do you really think Windows user groups are going to know? Just because one uses Linux, it doesn't mean they don't know anything about Windows. I use both. So, your point is that that's why you answer MS-Windows questions on MS-Windows mailing lists? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux format converters
begin Edwin Humphries quotation: I'm looking for a utility (GPL and console-based would be good) to convert Word files into quality HTML output. The Word files will probably contain tables and may contain graphics, which would need to be converted into GIF or JPEG output (or possible VML). I'm not at all sure it meets your needs, but have you looked at wvWare? http://www.wvware.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Distro for iBook?
begin Luke Cole quotation: Any recommendations on a suitable Linux distro for the new Apple iBook? What model of iBook? You are perhaps aware that there have been several. You might mean the iBook2, but might not. Here are your (possible) options, and links to whatever information seems best for each, in the way of hardware-support information: LinuxPPC: http://linuxppc.org/hardware/apple/ Yellow Dog: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/hardware/breakdown/ibook.shtml Debian: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install RockLinux: http://www1.rocklinux.org/projects/powerpc/powerpc.html Linux from Scratch (no hardware compatibility guide known to me): http://www.linuxfromscratch.com/ Linux-Mandrake 8.0: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hardware.php3 SuSE: http://www.suse.de/en/produkte/susesoft/ppc/systemvor.html MkLinux R1 candidates (no hardware compatibility guide): http://ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP/ TurboLinux (no hardware compatibility guide): ftp://ftp.turbolinux.com/pub/product/ppc/turbolinux-ppc/ (NetBSD and OpenBSD might also serve.) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] (no subject)
begin Jon Biddell quotation: Yes, correct... And also correct about tar, which is a pain Although I have a script (from Anthony Rumble) that seems to build a list of files and then back them up - you might modify that. There's a collection of such scripts in ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/backup/ , and I have an archive of tools and information about Linux-based backup here: http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/backup/ I hope they're useful to someone. -- Cheers,My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9 Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] identifying open relays
begin Ken Foskey quotation: What happens if you use [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I wasn't trying to comprehensively define forwarding', and in particular wasn't trying to take into account MTA security measures. All I was saying was that if an MTA _does_ accept mail that is both from a non-local domain and to a non-local domain, then it forwards. I have noticed spammers coming on my public address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) appearing as [EMAIL PROTECTED] They must be getting a bit smarter. Good point. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] DNS zone files, etc.
IN A 140.174.70.5 IN HINFO Mylex-P66 Linux-1.2.6 IN MX 10 taliesin.imat.COM. seahunt IN A 140.174.70.10 IN HINFO INTEL-P90 Linux-v1.3.28 IN MX 10 seahunt.imat.COM. ; commented out for testing, msn 12/15/97 IN MX 20 myrddin.imat.COM. ymirIN A 140.174.70.22 IN HINFO AMI-486/66 OS/2-3.0 IN MX 10 ymir.imat.COM. hugin IN A 140.174.70.21 IN HINFO Intel-486/33Linux-v1.2.5 IN MX 10 hugin.imat.COM. IN MX 20 myrddin.imat.COM. mordred IN A 140.174.70.100 localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 www IN CNAME myrddin.imat.COM. ftp IN CNAME myrddin.imat.COM. mailIN CNAME myrddin.imat.COM. newsIN CNAME myrddin.imat.COM. www.hugin IN CNAME hugin.imat.COM. sfpcug IN CNAME atlas.sfpcug.ORG. s10 IN CNAME seahunt.imat.COM. Here is 70.174.140.imat.com.rev. Note that this is a class-C subnetting of a class-B IP range. $ORIGIN 174.140.in-addr.arpa. 70 IN SOA myrddin.imat.COM. rrc.myrddin.imat.COM. ( 1998020301 3600 1000 604800 259200 ) IN NS myrddin.imat.COM. IN NS lll-winken.llnl.GOV. IN NS polaris.llnl.GOV. IN NS mail.coffeenet.net. $ORIGIN 70.174.140.in-addr.arpa. 1 IN PTR myrddin.imat.COM. 2 IN PTR nevyn.imat.COM. 3 IN PTR wyrm.imat.COM. 4 IN PTR grendel.imat.COM. 5 IN PTR taliesin.imat.COM. 10 IN PTR seahunt.imat.COM. 22 IN PTR ymir.imat.com. 21 IN PTR hugin.imat.COM. 31 IN PTR atlas.sfpcug.ORG. 32 IN PTR eos.sfpcug.ORG. 51 IN PTR mocha.coffeenet.NET. 52 IN PTR latte.coffeenet.NET. 53 IN PTR espresso.coffeenet.NET. 54 IN PTR sumatra.coffeenet.NET. 55 IN PTR java.coffeenet.NET. 56 IN PTR kenya.coffeenet.NET. 57 IN PTR macchiato.coffeenet.NET. 58 IN PTR mail.coffeenet.NET. 59 IN PTR crema.coffeenet.NET. 60 IN PTR americana.coffeenet.NET. 100 IN PTR mordred.imat.COM. 101 IN PTR www.kops59.com. 102 IN PTR www.txlonghorn.com. 103 IN PTR www.graphicmode.com. 104 IN PTR www.railsplitters.com. 105 IN PTR www.sourceservsf.com. -- Cheers, Linux: Good, fast, AND cheap. Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] / in directory names
begin Minh Van Le quotation: Is it possible to have a directory name '/' ? or the / character in a directory name ? i've tried character escapes which don't work. If you're determined to do that (have good backups first!), then your best bet is to try it over NFS. This'll give background on the question: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part2/ (item 2.2) -- Cheers, Linux: Good, fast, AND cheap. Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux CE
begin Jeff Waugh quotation: The Palm is a brilliant user environment; it is incredibly well-suited to rapid use of such a small space [ you made the better purchase ;) ]. We still don't have a Free Software equal though... If you want to _install_ free software onto a PalmOS device, I have 'em here, in the most comprehensive collection of such I'm aware of: http://linuxmafia.com/pub/palmos/ Note the tres-retro, my-HTML-sucks- so-I-won't-try 00index.txt catalogue file in each directory. -- Cheers, Linux: Good, fast, AND cheap. Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux CE
begin Jeff Waugh quotation: Holy cow! You're missing the wealth of wholesome Free Software from Spacepants Jacques! This cannot be! Aha! I will cling to the gospel of the spacepants. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] identifying open relays
begin Terry Collins quotation: In my experience most of these relay test sites are totally useless to genuine people running tests and just ego wanks by the people running them, e.g. ordb.org boast 1,000,000 open relays listed, but not how many open relays they have helped close, which I would have thought was the real purpose of the game. It's possible that I'm going to miss the context of the original query, but here's one way to directly test whether a mail server will relay or not. We open a connection to the SMTP port (25/tcp), and then draft a relayed message on the spot, preparatory to entering the message text and dropping it off. Like this: ~ $ telnet linuxmafia.com smtp Trying 198.144.195.186... Connected to uncle-enzo. Escape character is '^]'. 220 uncle-enzo ESMTP Exim 3.31 #1 Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:44:17 -0700 HELO linuxmafia.com 250 uncle-enzo Hello rick at uncle-enzo [198.144.195.186] MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is syntactically correct RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 550 relaying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] prohibited by administrator quit 221 uncle-enzo closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. [rick@uncle-enzo] ~ $ The point is that we told it this will be a message addressed _both_ from a non-local domain (baz.com) _and_ to a non-local domain (foo.com). By definition, that makes it relayed mail, since, if linuxmafia.com's SMTP process accepted the mail, it would be redelivered on baz.com's behalf. And, as you can see, the intended relay host in this case refuses to play that game (the 550 error). -- Cheers, Right to keep and bear Rick Moen Haiku shall not be abridged [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or denied. So there. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment
begin Rob B quotation: When I was working in the support section of an ISP, we routinely used a ping with this command (in hex) as payload to hang up customers with only one phone line :) We found that the only modems that it wouldn't work on were the US Robotics - based ones, pretty much everything else was disconnected by it. Interesting -- but that makes sense. (And I've always told people, if they ask my opinion about modems, to get a USR V.Everything external, and even then to not rest content until they'd optimised its S-registers.[1]) You're probably aware of the key point, here, but others may not be: That trick works because the modem _retransmits_ what was furnished to it in the ping command. In other words, the modem can receive escape sequences all day long with no effect (e.g., in e-mail), and not respond no matter how badly set up, but must be maneouvered into transmitting them. It's been years since I last even thought through the mechanics of this, honestly. [1] http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#whichmodem -- Cheers, The cynics among us might say: We laugh, Rick Moen monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now! [EMAIL PROTECTED] MuaHaHaHa! but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: modem escape sequence - it got me.
begin Gnuthad quotation: I guess putting rubbish like that in your headers makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? It provides me copious amounts of entertainment when people foam at the mouth about it. Which reminds me: You're not really doing your job in the frenetically scandalised department. Could you please aim for a little more boisterous outrage? This will never do. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] modern-American-English-usage-improvement association -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Check this out
begin Antony Clarke quotation: Turn the news on. A very sad day, to be sure. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] modem escape sequence
begin Mike Holland quotation: Seriously? Why, sure. The +++ sequence is quite fatal. That's why it's perilous to read http://www.faqs.org/faqs/modems/ZyXEL/FAQ/part3/section-12.html , and you are a wicked person for posting that URL: It includes +++, you see, and we know that documents on the Internet simply may not be allowed to say +++ let alone ath, and definitely not the two of them, one after the other, like this: +++ath. That would be very bad. Anyone who would say those things would be a conclusively evil person. So, make sure you tell people never to say +++ or ath, and especially not +++ath, as frequently as possible: Like this: Please, never, ever say +++, ath, or, particularly, +++ath, on the Internet. It can't be that simple. The +++ sequence occurs commonly, and that alone would cause trouble. But, wait, it _must_ be true! We read it in something someone wrote on the Internet. As I read it, the '+++' only works when the line is silent before and after for a minimum time. [...] It would be a major bug in a modem to ignore that requirement. Oh, you're obviously one of those pesky _technical_ people. But remember: _Never_ say +++. It's wicked. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] modern-American-English-usage-improvement association -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] modem escape sequence
begin Morrissey quotation: Interesting Google search: Rick Moen ath Returns over 60 hits. It appears some lists have rejected mail with this header, perhaps they also ban the domain. Yep, really sinister. Like hit #4: Internet Mail Delivery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:29:57 -0700 (PDT) * Previous message: [Buug-admin] Delivery Notification: Delivery has * failed * Next message: [Buug-admin] Delivery Notification: Delivery has * failed * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --Boundary_(ID_/lE2Z3ADYIurnp8iAH8tng) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:27:58 -0700 From: Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [buug] Great Links re. Internet/Linux Security Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason: recipient reached disk quota [...] See! This evil person caused a Pacific Bell Internet customer to exceed disk quota on his mail account. Proof positive. He's a witch. -- Cheers, The Viking's Reminder: Rick Moen Pillage first, _then_ burn. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment
begin Booth, Christopher (Aus) - ATP quotation: A month to do it is childish but for 2 years now http://bad.debian.net/list/1999-October/000583.html BTW I'm not on a modem so I can't test My goodness: People have been throwing that ancient gag around for a _lot_ longer than two years. It's been used on the Net and BBSes to troll the um... credulous for decades. -- Cheers,Why, yes, _of course_ I'm an elitist. Rick Moen Isn't everyone? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment
begin DaZZa quotation: Only those who have cheap junk modems, or who don't know how to set them up properly. Well, look, folks, I hate to have to spell it out for you guys, but... Have you ever looked, raw, at a binary file, e.g. cat'ed it to screen by accident? That sort of stuff is, of course, what comes whizzing past your modem every time you, for example, transfer a binary file over a telephone line. You will note that you can find just about any pattern you please of characters in there, if you scroll far enough -- rather like looking for patterns in clouds, except with less healthy exposure to the outdoors. So -- and I figure _some_ of you must surely see where I'm going with this -- a surprisingly large portion of the time, you can find odd little strings like +++ath. Now, ask yourself, if modems were to hang up the line every time they happened to run across such a string by chance, would even the dimmest customers keep them for more than about a week before throwing them in the rubbish? I think not. Even junky, cheap winmodems aren't _that_ pathetic. So, if you think modems all over the Internet are getting slammed off the line every one of the quite frequent times they encounter +++ and ath sequences, you really need to think again. But certainly you shouldn't take my word for it. By all means, have a blast trying to find and test modems that _are_ that pathetic. But, in any event: YHBT. YHL. HAND. -- Cheers, SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! Rick Moen SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! [EMAIL PROTECTED] (_Nobody_ expects the Spammish Repetition!) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment
begin DaZZa quotation: 1) The chance of a combination of binary code coming out in the exact format of +++ath0 is literally staggering. Winning lotto, by comparison, would be an every day event. Um, no, it's not. Or, at least, it would seem that you don't transfer very much data, if that is your experience. And, besides, I believe the Chicken Little who posted earlier was in fact claiming that +++ by itself was evil nasty sinister villainous stuff. By the way, I hope you're collecting reports of all those (ahem!) hordes getting their modems dropped off every time I (or you) type +++ath. Fun conjuring up imaginary conspiracies to destroy the world, isn't it? 2) IP transfers are, by design, inherently unencrypted. That's vague enough to be arguably correct, yes. Which means that if the text +++ath0 is sent, that's exactly what you see. I assume you mean in a telnet session, http transfer, or the like. Yes. But our resident Chicken Little alleges that this triggers hang-ups on some unspecified (possibly hypothetical) modems that he's terribly, terribly worried about. Exceptions to this are, of course, things like ssh, IPSec etc, which perform some 3des encryption on the enclosed text/data. Yes, but what was your point? You didn't actually state one. (Further, of course, the _encrypted_ data streams can and do work out to resemble arbitrary random data streams, including the likes of +++ and such.) I'll run my sniffer on all my modem traffic for as long as it has buffer space for. If you can find one instance of +++ath0 in the capture _except where it's specifically intended to be there_, like in this message, I'll give you my modem. I don't want your modem, but you're certainly free to do that. But you appear to be rather confused about this matter, since what you're looking for wouldn't demonstrate anything of interest. These days, no. Most modern modem manufacturers actually pay Hayes an appropriate licenseing fee, and avoid the bug. I hate to have to tell you this, but there is no Hayes, any more. And the patented pause, +++, pause method was _hardly_ the only possible method of performing command escapes. However, there are still modem manufacturers who don't - and for whom this bug is still very real. Please feel free to send details. Their customers must have a really busy time, dealing with randomly encountered +++ and 'ath sequences. It's not as hard as you think. In fact, I undertook just this exercise not so long ago as a result of having exactly your argument with someone elsewhere - and found myself red faced and with my foot in my mouth at the percentage of modems which actually _do_ respond. Well, feel free to shovel your data over here. It might be interesting reading. Or not. -- Cheers, Everything is gone; Rick Moen Your life's work has been destroyed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Squeeze trigger (yes/no)? -- David Carlson (winner, haiku error message contest) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: modem escape sequence - it got me.
begin Mike Holland quotation: Well strip me naked and paint me purple MY MODEM has the bug. Heh. Do you mean it can be configured to drop carrier upon receipt of +++? And defaults to that? Very strange. But we seem to be in need of some remedial maths, around here: The One in 2 ^ 56 bit appears to be based all possible permutations of seven-byte binary strings (with eight-bit bytes). But, first, my X-header is six characters long, and second, the Chicken Little interpretation of it requires assuming that it consists of two three-character modem commands, back to back, not a single six (or seven) character one. But I'm disappointed. You folks haven't gotten around to foaming at the mouth about any of my other headers. Surely, someone can carve a little righteous indignation out of those? -- Cheers, Everything is gone; Rick Moen Your life's work has been destroyed. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Squeeze trigger (yes/no)? -- David Carlson (winner, haiku error message contest) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
