[SLUG] Sarge install floppies
Hi guys I'm trying to install ubuntu (or generic debian) onto a laptop without a cdrom drive. I've been able to download the root and boot images and am using winimage to put them to a floppy. When I download the cd-drivers.img and the net-drivers.img and open them in winimage they don't have any files. I've tried dowloading from planet mirror, ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/ rc2/images/floppy/ and http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ Can anyone suggest why they are blank? Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] proxy
I'm thinking of setting up a linux proxy, using debian, squid and dansguardian. I'd like to have it authenticate with windows users if possible so I can have separate rules for students, staff etc. I'm running an active directory based network. Has anyone done something like this? If so, any advice before I start? Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] proxy
Thanks for the advice guys. What I am looking for is transparent authentication. Someone else has just told me that dansguardian won't work with ntlm authentication and AD groups, so I might have to reconsider this. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Gray Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] proxy On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:14 pm, Dean Hamstead wrote: its pretty straight forward, just follow the doco you can either have full on transparent authentification against windows or you can prompt through the browser for username and password (coming from windows) which ever suits your needs. Dean For the OP, transparent authentication and transparent proxy are two very different and conflicting terms; they are mutually exclusive. transparent authentication: read NTLM Authentication. This works via the magic of Samba and winbind and is VERY well documented in the Squid FAQ's. If you go through it all step-by-step, it Just Works (tm). It's even easier now with Samba 3, compared to the earlier Samba versions (2.2 et al). transparent proxy: means all your outgoing port 80/443 requests are transparently redirected to the proxy irrespective of the users' proxy configuration. This is usually done at the perimeter router/firewall using iptables and destination NAT (or similar). Whilst transparent proxying sounds attractive you CANNOT use this AND authentication at the same time. Think about it; if you were connecting to www.foo.com and got prompted for authentication credentials from something other than www.foo.com when you weren't expecting it, would be considered a man-in-the-middle type attack. However, if your browser is expecting proxy authentication challenge (by being configured to use a proxy) then it's all good. NTLM authentication only works on Windows and only with IE. All other OS/Browser combinations use basic authentication - which means the users will be prompted for a user-id+password. This is a protocol level restriction and comes up regularly on the squid users list. BTW, if you're using basic authentication in an Active Directory environment, the users will need to use DOMAIN\userid and their AD password. IE will usually present a triple dialogue box for userid, domain and password. You can configure squid to use BOTH NTLM and basic authentication at the same time; that way IE users will be authenticated transparently, with all other users (with REAL browsers) entering DOMAIN\userid+password. E-mail me off list if you want some help with the fine tuning :) I am the the proxy admin for our company - we use FreeBSD+Squid+Samba to authenticate back to the Active Directorybut the squid+samba configs are almost identical regardless of OS :) Cheers, James -- Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them. -- Samuel Butler -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware
Finally got gnome running. The vmware driver needed to have no default depth chosen. I then got the following error when starting gnome: oafiid:gnome_Settingsdaemon had to restart too many times or something like that. I re-did apt-get install gnome-core and now only the screensaver isn't working. Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tillsley Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware Oops, yep, that was it. Very silly of me. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -Original Message- From: Ryan Tsai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Tillsley Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware is xserver-xfree86 installed? - Original Message - From: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware I've got a test server setup in vmware running sarge (2.6 kernel). I've got two problems that I'm having trouble resolving: The first is that I can't get X working. Yes I know X on a server shouldn't be necessary on a server, but I'm playing with vmware. The error I get is: GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X : -audit 0 auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command could not be executed! Please install the X server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place. Now I installed xfree68, but there is no X in that folder. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting? The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware
Oops, yep, that was it. Very silly of me. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -Original Message- From: Ryan Tsai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 11:07 AM To: Robert Tillsley Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware is xserver-xfree86 installed? - Original Message - From: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: [SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware I've got a test server setup in vmware running sarge (2.6 kernel). I've got two problems that I'm having trouble resolving: The first is that I can't get X working. Yes I know X on a server shouldn't be necessary on a server, but I'm playing with vmware. The error I get is: GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X : -audit 0 auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command could not be executed! Please install the X server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place. Now I installed xfree68, but there is no X in that folder. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting? The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Debian sarge on vmware
I've got a test server setup in vmware running sarge (2.6 kernel). I've got two problems that I'm having trouble resolving: The first is that I can't get X working. Yes I know X on a server shouldn't be necessary on a server, but I'm playing with vmware. The error I get is: GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X : -audit 0 auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command could not be executed! Please install the X server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place. Now I installed xfree68, but there is no X in that folder. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting? The other thing was in regard to installing the vmware tools. The menu which is meant to do it, doesn't work (I think its because its not designed to work with debian). Its asks if you want to and then doesn't provide any feedback as to its lack of success. In the bottom left of the vmware screen is says as it did before the attempt that the vmware tools aren't installed. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] openpkg
Hi people Does anyone have any experience in installing openpkg for debian sarge? When I try using the woody script that comes with kolab (openpkg-20030606-20030606.ix86linux2.4-kol.sh) I receive several errors, eg + $'\r' : command not found20030606.ix86-linux2.4-kol.sh line 26: I'm using kernel 2.4.25-1-386 Any help appreciated. Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Kroupware/kolab
Hi guys I've been looking pretty closely at the german produced kolab (www.kolab.org). Has any one had any experience using this in a production environment, especially in conjunction with windows systems? Cheers Robert Tillsley Network Administrator St Vincent's College www.stvincents.nsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Internet training software
You might find it worth talking to Geoffrey from Granville TAFE, the guy that runs the linux courses. I just went through the basic course which used moodle. Cheers Rob T -Original Message- From: Matthew Davidson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 2:19 PM To: Terry Collins Cc: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet training software On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:46:14AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote: Does anyone have any leads on open source, interactive, internet training software, with security and results database? I've been meaning to check out moodle (http://moodle.org) for some time, but haven't got around to it yet, so I can't say how good it is. Matthew. -- 0419 242 316 ... (02)9763 7923 ... http://www.sneaker.net.au/~mdavids -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] load balancing internet connections
Hi guys I'm looking at some equipment that load bales internet connections, ie multiple isdn, dsl etc, but it seems pretty expensive. Has anyone used linux for this sort of thing? So far in the modest amount of time I've spent searching I've found http://sourceforge.net/projects/balance/ Has anyone ever used it? Any info appreciated Regards Robert Tillsley * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] load balancing internet connections
Thanks for the info James My only concern with cisco is complexity. Things like fatepipe, alteon, sysmaster etc seem to be focused on making it pretty easy to setup...at a price. Cheers Rob T -Original Message- From: James Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2003 10:38 AM To: SLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [SLUG] load balancing internet connections On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:03 am, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi guys I'm looking at some equipment that load bales internet connections, ie multiple isdn, dsl etc, but it seems pretty expensive. Has anyone used linux for this sort of thing? So far in the modest amount of time I've spent searching I've found http://sourceforge.net/projects/balance/ Has anyone ever used it? Any info appreciated Regards Robert Tillsley We use a humble Cisco 1720 to load balance a pair of 2Mbps SDSL lines in the office. The mechanism is BGRP. Basically we've set it up to do per session load balancing: any given session can never consume more than 2Mbps. It's pretty basic but it works well :) YMMV. There's a few ways you can achieve this effect with a linux gateway box but most of the traffic we need to throttle in the office is web/ftp stuff so I simply use squid's delay pools. All up the squid proxy plus the router load balancing means our external web sites have never been unavailable due to lack of bandwidth :) Our internal users and external web/ftp sites share the same 2x2Mbps connections. --James __ A random quote of nothing: I will make you shorter by the head. -- Elizabeth I * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] allowing/disabling ftp access by user type, how ?
I've noticed that you can adjust the address for advanced searches so you can search from different countries. Rob T -Original Message- From: Adam W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 10:07 AM To: 'Voytek'; 'Sydney Linux User Group' Subject: RE: [SLUG] allowing/disabling ftp access by user type, how ? say, once upon a time, when I typed 'google.com' I got google.com; now, I type 'google.com' but, I get 'google.com.au'; who/where does that ? Google does it. They sense you're from AU, so they forward you to google.com.au. It's the same search engine, jus with the added option of searching only australian sites. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Training Spamassassin's Bayesian classifier
Actually it would be a bit of a pain to remove all exe's for those of us that occassionaly use email to transmit patches etc. I'd rather an opt in approach to these sorts of things so mail can be filtered or not as the payee chooses. Regards Rob T -Original Message- From: Brian Robson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 4:43 AM To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Training Spamassassin's Bayesian classifier My ISP has just implemented the new policy of removing all M$ executables. Zipped files are still ok. The result is heaven; my email downloads much fazster and the daily viruses have stopped. The idea that .scr and .pif and .bat files are all executables is farcical. Worse still, many newbies have their file extensions switched off (it's the default!!) and so when they get AnnaKornikova.jpg.scr they can't see the .scr and they think it's an essential picture for viewing. Let's hope all ISPs act to discard these Windows executables asap. I have passed on your comments to my ISP. Down the track, this will mean an upsurge in .doc files carrying viruses again. But think about this - if you were the CIO of a large company, do you really think that documents and spreadsheets should be executable in any way whatsoever? I think the answer is NO, documents should be just passive data files by definition. Excel 3 was a passive spreadsheet and the format is safe to this day. The idea that data files can execute on opening is a frill that can easily be done away with. There should be a special corporate version of M$ Office that does not execute macros, and it should be heaps cheaper too, to make up for all the mayhem and inconvenience caused by the current version. The problem for OpenOffice and the like is being bluffed into playing catchup and being told it's not as good as Redmond yet. The quest for endless frills is dangerous, the need for macros has already passed. Brian At 04:28 PM 30/09/03 +1000, you wrote: Seriously though, I don't think SpamAssassin is the right tool to stop viruses. Try amavisd-new + clamav on your mail hub. I did that a couple of weeks ago and it's blocked every one of them. I've been comparatively lucky though - I've only received about 35 copies. True Spamassassin is not the right tool in stopping viruses. But what I do is run anomy with spamassassin. I stop all windows executable files from entering my sites. We have implemented the rule the only way windows files will be allowed into our network is by way of zip or gz file. It doesn't stop viruses but it will minimise the chances of an executable file from entering any site I have administered. Including this with amavisd or clamav you would have one decent mail filtering system. :) Remember nothing is 100% Regards, Kevin Saenz Spinaweb I.T consultants Ph: 02 4620 5130 Fax: 02 4625 9243 Mobile: 0418455661 Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Paintball
I'd like to say thanks to Pia Smith for organising paintball. It was a shame that more slugites didn't attend, but I think all who did had a ball. Or several balls, to the head, chest, fingers etc... Cheers Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] SPAM
All this talk about spam and the problem it causes and the debate over where it should be stop has made me think. I personally don't have the technical/infrastructure/legal expertise in general or linux in particular to do a topic on it, but I was wondering whether some net guru would be willing to do a session on it at one of the upcoming SLUG meetings? I'm sort of thinking that an overview on things like where it comes from (countries, dodgy or lax providers etc), what could be done at a national or international level to reduce its impact, what ISPs could be doing, what companies and individuals could be doing. So not so much of an indepth technical foray, but something that could help attendees see the scope and the actions or inaction that are affecting the situation. What do people think? I do wish I had the understanding to put this together myself, but I don't. Still what's been said on the thread lately has me thinking what can I do to help SLUG? Hopefully I'll have an answer eventually. Cheers Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
As one of those lucky ones, all this talk is making me wonder where its possible to stipulate adsl compatible exchange as one of the lease agreements, so you can back out if its not available. Rob T -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 12:19 AM To: Terry Collins Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk not to mention that some city slickers are still on either pairgains or rihms and either of them won't get ya adsl either -- Shaun Oliver * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] anti-virus software for linux
Sophos have linux mail server product. Must admit I've never used sophos on linux, but in windows its pretty good and easy to manage. Cheers Rob T -Original Message- From: Del [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2003 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] anti-virus software for linux Jeff Waugh wrote: Free Software: clamav. Works surprisingly well, community maintained, many people feel that it doesn't provide the response times to new viruses that proprietary solutions do. Proprietary Software: NOD32. Fast, effective, and fairly malleable. I'd recommend it. I've used NOD32 and Kaspersky (KAV) and found Kaspersky to be superior overall. Anyway, YMMV. Web sites are here: http://www.nod32.com/ http://www.kasperskylabs.com/ The NOD32 software makes you pay for a per-user license to use it on a mail server. The Kaspersky labs software is a single-server license for as many users as you want. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Quiet keyboards
I have one of those old IBM ones as well. My wife made me buy her a new one when I tried to hand it down to her... Made me feel like I was using a typewriter. Cheers Rob T -Original Message- From: Richard Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2003 10:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quiet keyboards Hai Its funny Ive got an old IBM keyboard circa 1981 and it makes the average keyboard of today sound absolutely dead quiet. Ok back to your problem Its like this any plastic keyboard or any keyboard using plastic keys will click thanks to the return spring. All is not lost though you can buy a cheap 101 rubber keyboard (they are also water proof and can be folded) cheaply, in at least 2 of the electronics shops behind the QVB building in the city. Also some computer parts shops sell them they are dead silent and you don't have to worry about the cup of coffee spilling on the thing (in my case beer). Regards Richard Neal News report 2065 July 15 Today Microsoft has introduced a new per slice of bread license for their Microsoft Bread Toaster (TM)...it was heard commented from a pensioner just before being dragged away by the Microsoft thought police hah I warned you you should have all used Linux For more watch the news on MSN -- we know you watch us there isn't anyone else On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 12:49, Andrew Monkhouse wrote: Not quite Linux I know, but SWMBO is complaining about the noise I am making while typing. I do have a noisy keyboard, and I type fast, which makes for a lot of fast loud clicks, which gets her heart racing. So I am looking for a very quiet keyboard. Must be compatible with Linux (cannot imagine any problems with that though). Anyone have any suggestions? Regards, Andrew Richard Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Membership, CD, GST
Hi Guys While I suspect the committee can answer this if I email them directly, I thought others might be interested in the answer for tax purposes. Basically I bought membership and a debain CD for a bargain of $30. I was just wondering whether this was including GST or if the fees are GST exempt or whatever. It doesn't say anything about GST on the receipt. Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Granville TAFE Linux courses
On Tuesday when I went there, they closed just after I paid. I also learnt the valuable lesson that they don't take AMEX. Rob T -Original Message- From: Lucas King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2003 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Granville TAFE Linux courses that's strange, i rocked up to the cashier at around 1730h and they were still open with no signs of closing. Luke Amanda Wynne wrote: Hm Great archive... One message. I'm sure I could write a great monologue (or was diatribe?) about an archive with zero messages. but I won't. Actually I went along to Granville yesterday wormed my way into the LPI course. Unfortunately, although enrolments went to six o'clock, the cashiers office closed at five. And of course I got there at five past five. So now I'll have to go back later to pay the fees. Such is life. Amanda Quoting Luke King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello Amanda, http://grok.org.au/mailman/listinfo/enrol_grok.org.au may help you. regards, Lucas -Original Message- From: Amanda Wynne To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28/06/03 19:32 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Granville TAFE Linux courses Has anybody had a response from Geoffrey about these courses. I'm trying to find out what time(s) and where on the campus enrolments are. Does anybody know? Amanda Quoting Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Details of next Linux courses for next semester are at http://slug.org.au/training.html I'm taking enquiries by email now. Plenty of space in the introductory courses. LPI Certification pretty much full unless I open a new class. Enrolments are 1st, 2nd and 3rd July. Classes start 2 weeks later. Those interested should email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't ask TAFE. These courses are invisible. Slug members generally find that they get in. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential.If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance,forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised.This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced,adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner.If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail, or telephone and delete all copies.Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug ** ** The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential.If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance,forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised.This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced,adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner.If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail, or telephone and delete all copies.Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. ** ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux
Re: [SLUG] Debian
Did anyone have any luck working out what is wrong with my sources.list file? Cheers Rob T On Wednesday 25 June 2003 08:12, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi Jeff, here is my sources.list. In the email I've put in some dotted lines to enclose those lines I added myself. Rob thanks for those suggestions, I'll give them a go tonight and see how I do. Cheers Rob T deb cdrom:[APC CD 2]/ pool/ deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20021218)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody non-free deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 9:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] debian apt and jdk
Hi guys I am trying to work out how to get a copy of the jdk for my woody system so that I can fix some dependancy issues and hopefully eventually get a gui up. I have the basic woody cd and mirror.aarnet.edu.au as sources, however when I try to install something it asks for jdk 1.1.8 from the ibm site, which doesn't work. So I'm thinking, perhaps I can use another version or I can add another source. Does anyone know another ftp server out there that has the imb 1.1.8 jdk? Regards Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) I can't apt-get install debconf because it complains that it needs jdk. I can't install a jdk cause that needs xfree86-common. I can't install that because it needs debconf. Does anyone know how I can get out of this vicious circle??? Regards Rob T On Tuesday 24 June 2003 19:42, Robert Tillsley wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2003 19:38, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi guys I am trying to work out how to get a copy of the jdk for my woody system so that I can fix some dependancy issues and hopefully eventually get a gui up. I have the basic woody cd and mirror.aarnet.edu.au as sources, however when I try to install something it asks for jdk 1.1.8 from the ibm site, which doesn't work. So I'm thinking, perhaps I can use another version or I can add another source. Does anyone know another ftp server out there that has the imb 1.1.8 jdk? Regards Rob T One other thing, will applications care what sort of jdk is installed. Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 21:38, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) I can't apt-get install debconf because it complains that it needs jdk. I can't install a jdk cause that needs xfree86-common. I can't install that because it needs debconf. Can you post output from apt? debconf does *not* need jdk (!), so something else is going on here which we need to nut out. :-) - Jeff Hmmm. Looks like your right, I had a reread of the error messages, it looks like I just don't have an up to date source for debconf. When I try to install xfree86-common it says that it depends on debconf =1.2.9 but I only have 1.0.32 Right, I feel like I've progressed a few more cm along the learning curve :O) I have mirror.aarnet.edu.au as one of my sources, shouldn't that have a recent version of debconf? Thanks for the help guys! Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
aarnet au.debian.org and while trying to work out what I was doing, Dinesh (also on this list) gave me ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian for when I was looking to download jdk. Looking on the debian site, it looks like what I currently have is the last stable version. Does this mean that what I need to do is to add an unstable source to my sources.list? Thanks Rob T On Tuesday 24 June 2003 21:49, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 12:48, Robert Tillsley wrote: When I try to install xfree86-common it says that it depends on debconf =1.2.9 but I only have 1.0.32 Right, I feel like I've progressed a few more cm along the learning curve :O) I have mirror.aarnet.edu.au as one of my sources, shouldn't that have a recent version of debconf? Okay, that should never happen unless you have an unhealthy mixture of sources... What do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? - Jeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 22:05, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 13:03, Robert Tillsley wrote: aarnet au.debian.org and while trying to work out what I was doing, Dinesh (also on this list) gave me ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian for when I was looking to download jdk. More helpful to see the actual lines, because they contain more information. :-) Looking on the debian site, it looks like what I currently have is the last stable version. Does this mean that what I need to do is to add an unstable source to my sources.list? Preferably not - what you'd really want is a source for a woody version of the jdk. I'm not sure where to get that, or what your current source is (please post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list), but that sounds like the problem. Must admit, I was hoping to avoid that as I'm emailing from a different system and its going to be a bugger to type out. Hmm, perhaps its time to see if I can mount my usb flash drive... I'll post this to the list in a sec to see if you can spot a flaw. In between emails I added the unstable ftp.au.debian and then it did update debconf, (well its downloading now) so not sure if this will help or complicate matters. Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Debian
Hi Jeff, here is my sources.list. In the email I've put in some dotted lines to enclose those lines I added myself. Rob thanks for those suggestions, I'll give them a go tonight and see how I do. Cheers Rob T deb cdrom:[APC CD 2]/ pool/ deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20021218)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody non-free deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 9:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * sources.list Description: Binary data -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk
Thanks Simon I've posted the file to the list this morning (I had a little trouble doing it last night) I'm certainly happy to heed Jeffs advice! Of course I'm still going to see if I can help myself at the same time. I don't want to just be a burden on the list :O) Rob T -Original Message- From: Simon Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 8:57 AM To: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] debian apt and jdk On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 21:35, Robert Tillsley wrote: I'm really starting to dislike debian. (even if its only due to my own lack of knowledge) Robert, firstly, listen to what Jeff Waugh asks/tells you he KNOWS! Take a deep breath... Send the list your /etc/apt/sources.list so we can try and fix it. I like to use the JDK straight from SUN (java.sun.com), it is quite straight forward to install. It's not free software but is straight from the horse's mouth. -- ** * Simon Wong * ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Network Problem
Though for efficiency:
Internet
|
DMZ Servers for
Firewall -- public use
eg Web, mail
etc
|
Internal lan
Regards
Rob T
-Original Message-
From: Phil Scarratt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 3:24 PM
To: moise lim
Cc: Sydney LUG
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Problem
Yes, a DMZ is setup in such a way:
Internet
|
Firewall
|
Servers for
public use
eg Web, mail
etc
|
Firewall
|
Internal lan
Of course, depending on your purposes and resources this may
be over the
top.
Fil
moise lim wrote:
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 11:07 am, El 4Love wrote:
i was only involved in programming on machines setup by
administrators
all this while and now only I managed to setup my own
network at home.
I am certainly not aware of many of the security related
issues. I would
appreciate if someone could let me know how bad the
security is in my
network, and suggestions to rectify it.
well... i m no expert on network security and i can only go
by what i have
come across in my readings ...
my understanding is that a more secure setup is probably
Internet
/
/
---
ADSL
---
/
/
-
Web svr
-
/
/
-
Firewall
-
/
/
--
My Network
--
as i do not have a publicly accessed web svr myself .. i am
simply guessing at
the above topology ... and i m happy to be corrected by
those more familiar
with such matters :)
i have seen previously from one of the other postings where
a firewall was
installed between the ADSL and Web Svr as well
--
Phil Scarratt
Draxsen Technologies
IT Contractor/Consultant
0403 53 12 71
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RE: [SLUG] Network Problem
Hmmm, well I'd give that a go first. Is your switch a managed one (ie can you connect to it and look at data traffic/port errors etc) Regards Rob T -Original Message- From: El 4Love [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 4:13 PM To: Robert Tillsley Cc: Sydney LUG Subject: RE: [SLUG] Network Problem I tried them independently as well. I first tried with the router, but no sign of success. Then Tried to restart the switch and it worked. I still haven't got an opportunity to test it the other way round. Hopefully later today. :( ~mahen On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 14:08, Robert Tillsley wrote: Does it require both the switch and the router to be restarted, or have you tried each one independently? Regards Rob T -Original Message- From: El 4Love [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 4:06 PM To: Sydney LUG Subject: [SLUG] Network Problem Hello All, I have encountered a problem with our network. Following is diagrams shows how our computers are connected. Internet | | ADSL Router/Firewall | | | | Switch Workstation1 | __|___ | | Other Workstations Linux Server The problem with our network is that, it stops functioning after about a day or so, and then I have to restart the router and switch (switch-off and switch-on) to resume normal operations. The linux server runs a web server, and when this happens the browser from the external computer says, network unreachable. I won't even be able to ping any of the machines from any other machine in the network. I use all private IP addresses for all the machines. Can anyone suggest where to look for? ~mahen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian
Hi Guys I just installed debian (well the bits that seemed to work). I've been able to log into the console, but I wouldn't mind seeing if the GUI is up. All I can remember about how to get into a gui is xstart, but that doesn't work. Anyone know what command I need? Regards Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian
Thanks guys. I'm tried a little apt-getting, but its having a fit over the java development kit. so I'm going to download that on another system and try to copy it across and set it up. Thanks again. Rob T On Sunday 22 June 2003 10:01, Chris Deigan wrote: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed debian (well the bits that seemed to work). I've been able to log into the console, but I wouldn't mind seeing if the GUI is up. All I can remember about how to get into a gui is xstart, but that doesn't work. Anyone know what command I need? startx If you haven't got it installed, run 'tasksel' as root If your current setup config doesn't work run either 'xf86config' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (xf86config is old, and the debconf way will set things up like dri and is generaly better) - Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian
I've been trying to download the 1.1.8 jdk from ibm, but their server is timing out, does anyone know where else I could get it from? I can't seem to find it on the sun site. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/cgi-bin/click.cgi?url=http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/118/linux/index.htmlorigin=j Regards Rob T On Sunday 22 June 2003 10:59, Robert Tillsley wrote: Thanks guys. I'm tried a little apt-getting, but its having a fit over the java development kit. so I'm going to download that on another system and try to copy it across and set it up. Thanks again. Rob T On Sunday 22 June 2003 10:01, Chris Deigan wrote: Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed debian (well the bits that seemed to work). I've been able to log into the console, but I wouldn't mind seeing if the GUI is up. All I can remember about how to get into a gui is xstart, but that doesn't work. Anyone know what command I need? startx If you haven't got it installed, run 'tasksel' as root If your current setup config doesn't work run either 'xf86config' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (xf86config is old, and the debconf way will set things up like dri and is generaly better) - Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Secondary MX record - To have or not
Personally I wouldn't do without one unless email wasn't very important to my organisation. Having a secondary MX record (and of course a secondary mail server) means that if your connection dies, or if you have to deal with a hardware or major software failure you can take your mail server offline without losing mail. Having you're access provider act as the secondary is usually the easiest way to go, and means if you're connection dies between you and your isp, then the isp can still store your mail till your link is up. Regards Rob T -Original Message- From: Matt Hyne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 20 June 2003 11:59 AM To: 'slug' Subject: [SLUG] Secondary MX record - To have or not Folks, A little Linux unrelated (but I suppose it is since I am using a Linux server) but I have been having some discussions with a number of vendors around the place regarding secondary MX records. There seems to be two camps here - those that do not believe that they are needed (and thus don't provide them) and those that believe that they are a mandatory part of a redundant mail system. I am sitting on the fence (I can see some merits to both sides of the argument) but I was wondering what the opinion of the sluggers out there is - would you install one and why ? Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] courier
After going to the pub, I made it home and quickly had a look. Sure enough, no c++ compiler was installed. There was a common compiler as well as g++, but g++ sounds good, so I've gone with that. The version showed with the command you suggested after I had installed it. So I'm letting it configure while I sleep and hopefully it will be ready for me to have fun with make next. Thanks Rob T On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:03, Matt M wrote: GCC is only a C Compiler. What you need to compile C++ is g++, the GNU C++ compiler. Most distributions package this separately to GCC. You can see whether or not you have a C++ compiler installed by entering (I think ... It's been a while) `c++ --version' at the command line. HTH, Matt At 08:50 17/06/2003, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi Guys I downloaded and tried to install courier 0.42.2 from source on my Suse 8.1 system. I discovered I didn't have a compiler, so installed gcc 3.2 from CD(using the suse setup software). I had unzipped as root, so it had to delete what I'd unzipped, logged in as a standard user, battled with file permissions and then untarred. When I run ./configure it goes for a long time and then has the following errors: Checking for c++ compiler default output configure: error: C++ compliter cannot create executables. configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for module.local configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for courier I was wondering if people could suggest what I should be looking to fix. Is it a problem with gcc or with courier. I'm thinking with gcc as I didn't choose anything special with the ./configure. Perhaps I might try installing something else and see if similar problems arise. Regards Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] courier
Hi Guys I downloaded and tried to install courier 0.42.2 from source on my Suse 8.1 system. I discovered I didn't have a compiler, so installed gcc 3.2 from CD(using the suse setup software). I had unzipped as root, so it had to delete what I'd unzipped, logged in as a standard user, battled with file permissions and then untarred. When I run ./configure it goes for a long time and then has the following errors: Checking for c++ compiler default output configure: error: C++ compliter cannot create executables. configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for module.local configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for courier I was wondering if people could suggest what I should be looking to fix. Is it a problem with gcc or with courier. I'm thinking with gcc as I didn't choose anything special with the ./configure. Perhaps I might try installing something else and see if similar problems arise. Regards Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] courier
Checking for c++ compiler default output configure: error: C++ compliter cannot create executables. A typo from me here compliter = compiler Regards Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] courier
Ahhh. Thanks Matt. I've forwarded this to my home account, and I'll check tonight. I suppose I should have realised it would need a different compile, but I blame my ignorance on only spending a couple of lectures on programming with ADA...yuck! Rob T -Original Message- From: Matt M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2003 9:04 AM To: Robert Tillsley; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [SLUG] courier GCC is only a C Compiler. What you need to compile C++ is g++, the GNU C++ compiler. Most distributions package this separately to GCC. You can see whether or not you have a C++ compiler installed by entering (I think ... It's been a while) `c++ --version' at the command line. HTH, Matt At 08:50 17/06/2003, Robert Tillsley wrote: Hi Guys I downloaded and tried to install courier 0.42.2 from source on my Suse 8.1 system. I discovered I didn't have a compiler, so installed gcc 3.2 from CD(using the suse setup software). I had unzipped as root, so it had to delete what I'd unzipped, logged in as a standard user, battled with file permissions and then untarred. When I run ./configure it goes for a long time and then has the following errors: Checking for c++ compiler default output configure: error: C++ compliter cannot create executables. configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for module.local configure: error: c++ : /bin/sh: /configure failed for courier I was wondering if people could suggest what I should be looking to fix. Is it a problem with gcc or with courier. I'm thinking with gcc as I didn't choose anything special with the ./configure. Perhaps I might try installing something else and see if similar problems arise. Regards Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Problem
What brand and model is the case? Regards Rob T -Original Message- From: Lyle Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Problem Sorry this is off topic but I thought someone may be able to help. I have an external firewire case with an 80gb 7200rpm drive - my prob is I can run 20, 40 and 60gig 5400rpm drives no problem, but when I stick a 40, 60 or 80gb 7200rpm drive in the damn thing works sometimes if at all, I have tried numerous cables, other drives, operating systems, platforms etc but I still get the same problem. There is nothing wrong with the physical drives as they are all brand new Seagates. I have tried contacting the boofheads who supplied me the case and the manufacturer but there not much help and they give me the runaround. I thought someone on the list might have an idea. THANKS TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP. Lyle Chapman Pre-Press Supervisor Torch Publishing Co. 47 Allingham Street, Condell Park 2200, NSW, Australia (02) 9795 (02) 9795 0096 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] test - please ignore
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RE: [SLUG] test - please ignore
DNS changes we requested have finally come through! Yeah! Rob T -Original Message- From: Robert Tillsley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 10:13 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [SLUG] test - please ignore * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vipw
Thanks Steve I've got it running, though I needed to remove the $. Do you know if its a permanent change, or do I need to do this every time I log in? Cheers Rob T On Sunday 08 June 2003 16:14, Steve Kowalik wrote: At 3:39 pm, Sunday, June 8 2003, Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] mumbled: I'm looking into setting up a samba PDC. I've got a help file that I'm working through. It mentioned adjusting users using vipw. So I've been trying to do that. I've found the vim documentation on my system and I've been reading through it, taking a few notes etc. However it seems like a bit of a pain to use. Would I be able to use an editor like kate to add or modify entries in etc/passwd? Yes. Set your VISUAL enviroment to /usr/bin/kate, or whereever it is, and then run vipw. broken:~# export VISUAL=$(which ed) broken:~# vipw 935 q vipw: /etc/passwd is unchanged broken:~# -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Network
This is correct, fibre runs between buildings prevent fault currents from faulty equipment, and induced or direct lightning strike transmission between buildings. I've heard of some nasty incidents, though I've never been involved. If you are paying someone else to lay the cables (most likely in this situation) make sure they are data cablers who know what they are doing. I've seen quite a few shonky jobs out there when an electrician thought doing network cabling without any form of training or practice would be a good idea (think cables terminated into Krone punch downs in any old order, matching pins at each side, but not following colour codes printed on the little labels, causing failure due to the twisted pairs being incorrectly used. I think its worth spending serious dollars on good testing equipment like Fluke's. Don't forget that 1Gb copper is also available, which is quite economical for things like servers, as the NICs for it are now under $100 for some brands. Gigabit copper requires that the cables be either good Cat 5 or Cat 5e and up, but this shouldn't be a problem, as all reputable cablers lay a minimum of Cat 5e for networks these days. Another thing to keep in mind is that Gigabit copper uses all 4 pairs of the cable. I must admit I've not dealt with Gb copper. I use cat5e for all copper anyway, including standard patch cables. Its not much expensive. Have you used Gb copper much? I'd be interested in your views of it. I've heard that its pretty sensitive to cable flexing. Cheers Rob T * Multimode Step Index (SI) - Cheap, widely used in LANs. * Multimode Graded Index (GI) * Single Mode (SM) - Good, widely used in telecommunications. Note there are quite a few other variants of fibre out there, but they are not relevant to basic LANs, and would be more a concern on DWDM systems. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vipw
Thanks Steve There are several terms in what you've said that I'lll have to get my head around, but I love the challenge. I think linux is like putting together a jigsaw where you don't have a picture to work from, but you can choose how it looks in the end! Cheers Rob T On Sunday 08 June 2003 21:58, Steve Kowalik wrote: At 5:11 pm, Sunday, June 8 2003, Robert Tillsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] mumbled: I've got it running, though I needed to remove the $. Do you know if its a permanent change, or do I need to do this every time I log in? Right, I said this, I should explain: broken:~# export VISUAL=$(which ed) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which ed /bin/ed $() is a subshell, so that sets VISUAL to /bin/ed. Now, to answer your question, it's not a permanent change. You need to do something like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep export .bash_profile | head -1 export MAILNAME=Steve Kowalik Cheers, -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vipw
export VISUAL=ed or export VISUAL=joe or whatever will do. That said, vipw only adds a little locking around your editor to make sure that not more than one is editing it. If you're the only user I'd just edit direct: joe /etc/passwd This is pretty useful to know. At the moment I'm doing this for my home server. I'm also trying to develop the skills and experience so that I can put linux/samba forward as a reasonable alternative to an NT4 domain or Active Directory. If there are several administrators then being able to lock the file so that only one person could use it at once would be good. Moreoever, I'm not sure that any other passwd manipulation tools (useradd, userdel, usermod) take any notice of vipw locking so it's not worth much really. FWIW there's no vipw in Solaris anymore. Ah. Well I suppose when you type in a one line command the odds of that interfering with someone else doing the same thing are pretty small. Perhaps that makes vipw a liability as someone who then saves the file will overwrite changes others might have made with the commands you mentioned. BTW, why aren't you using useradd, usermod, userdel? Or even better whatever graphical user management tools your dist. of linux gives you. ) e.g. redhat-config-users under redhat. I'm following a how to make Samba act as a PDC guide. This is part of what it mentions. perhaps I should read up on the useradd etc commands and see if I can put in the same detail that is being suggested. ie sysname$:x:1200:300:Worksation:/dev/null:/bin/false (obviously sysname is the name of the client system) I'm running Suse 8.1*. I've managed to get the public folder working, or had had managed that. I then put in all the pdc stuff, but now I can't add a win2k box to the domain. It looks to me like the nmbd is running, but not resolving anything. The Wink2k box says it might have a DNS prob when I try to add it to the domain. Still I might make a separate post about that after I've done some more testing. *I'm running Suse 8.1 cause I haven't gotten my debian CD from the SLUG or from someone else who was going to get me some. Thanks for the info Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] German characters in linux
Hi guys I've been looking into being able to type accented characters in linux. This is because I'm learning german and want to be able to type notes. In windows it can be done by using alt and a numeric combo. I've done a bit of googling and have come across some information suggesting I can use the control keys in a particular combo with shift and then other keys. However it uses the right control key. The main system I'm working on atm is a laptop that doesn't have a right control key. I've tried adjusting the file below with less than no clue, but it doesn't seem to have worked. Can anyone tell me if I'm on the right track? Cheers Rob T file:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xmodmap !! !! Xmodmap: Some Settings for a Intel based PC and keyboard !! !! Note: the scan codes of the keys (keycode) used here !! are specific for PC and compatible keyboards. !! !! by werner 1993, 1997-99 !! !! Backarrow key is symbol BackSpace !! Modifiers for backarrow key !! Shift-BS is Symbol BackSpace !! Alt-BS is Symbol DeleteWord !! Remove key is Symbol Delete !! keycode 22 = BackSpace keycode 107 = Delete !! !! Attempt to make left control key is Control or, if shifted, Compose !! remove control = Control_L keycode 109 = Control_L Multi_key add control = Control_L !! !! Right control key is Control or, if shifted, Compose !! !! remove control = Control_R !! keycode 109 = Control_R Multi_key !! add control = Control_R !! !! WIN95 keys: WIN left and WIN right !! we overwrite Meta_L and Meta_R or Multi_key !! to avoid confusion with older keyboards. !! clear mod4 keycode 115 = Super_L keycode 116 = Super_R Multi_key addmod4 = Super_L Super_R !! !! and WIN menu !! keycode 117 = Menu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] sluglet notes backup and recovery
Sluglets meeting 30-05-03 Backup and Recovery Notes Hi Guys here are the notes that I took from the last sluglet. Hopefully they make some sense: Definition: hot backup. A copy or backup running on a media which can be available quickly, ie archived on a secondary server or a hot swappable harddrive etc. Often used as a `disposable media, ie not kept safe at all costs. Limitation of using tape to backup modern quantities of data: often unable to hold anywhere near as much data as modern harddrives and drive arrays. Getting backup happening For businesses For offices sending copies to other branches or buildings. Also as a large scale option, having a remote system ready with recent data in a remote location for almost instant backup. Suggestion that ex-corporate backup drives can be available for reasonable prices on ebay. Tapes, especially used ones are not as reliable as DVD or CD. There was a warning against using tape compression. Data mirroring through net connection. Suggestion to use additional small servers for to create snap shots of a file tree so that deletions can be enforced when restoring data. Home Suggestion for home backup to use a portable drive bay. (Personal thought using something more flexible like a firewire connected external case). Suggestion to keep a copy of data off site. Locations may include close friends or family members. Backup Options: Historical reference to dump, the backing up of a file system (ie partition) rather than directories. Level 0 = full backup of a specified area Level 1 = backup files that have changed since the last level 0 Level 2 = backup of changed files since last level 1 Level 3-5 etc. 2-5 are incremental, quick backup, slow restore, higher risk of failure as # of media increase. Tapes have a limited life span. Differential backs up changed files since last level 0 backup. On linux likely backup areas include: /home the machine configuration (/etc) list of installed packages (some software is out there to produce a dump of them) /dev/conf ? Check Partitioning can be used to place data on a separate partition to make it possible to reinstall the distro without killind data. Placing on a separate drive also makes a drive failure less of a pain. Determine backup strategy based on size needs, how often the data is changed and the time and money that can be spent on it. Testing backup. Be sure that third parties can meet their claims Backup versus disaster recovery. A disaster is the complete failure of a system or environment. Hence a disaster recovery plan requires more resources than just backing up software, but can produce a quicker result in restoring entire systems. For Reference: Always Document procedures, including contact people, equipment location etc. Make sure hard copies are available Physical resistance to damage. Tapes are more resistant than hard drives in situations such as dropping them. For small amounts of data solid state media such as flash memory may be an option. Final comment: Data not backed up is almost guaranteed to be lost at some point... Remote storage with places like yahoos briefcase. LVM and EVS were mentioned, but not in detail. EVS extended volume ??? RAID ( drive mirroring, etc) can be used to recover from drive failure, however not useful for retreiving data thats been over written or deleted. snapshot (debian.net). Was mentioned -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Network
I am thinking of mounting a secondary switch(s) in the new building, with an uplink to the existing network, however, what sort of uplink should it be: 1. Is it worth putting fibre in? Putting Fibre between separate buildings is something that I think is a must. As I understand it, it provides some electrical separation between computers in different buildings which can be pretty important in cases of lightening strikes etc. Bare in mind the cost of any trenching required, and how hard the buildings are to work in. (this covers any type of cable of course). Modern buildings can be easier to work with. I also think its worth paying close attention to detail such as finishing, making sure that in wall cavities that the cable isn't stressed and if its layed across any ceiling expanse that its suspended on wire. And cosmetically, consider how the cable is going to enter the building, the amount of hideous looking jobs that for an extra hour of time could have looked so much nicer. 2. What does it take to make a gigabit network instead of 100Mbit? Depending on what switches you use, you may either need new switches or if you have modular switches you'll need gigabit adapters. You'll need the fibre layed (usually the more cores you can afford the better. It provides you with redundancy and room for future expansion). Modern switches and patches us SC (2x rectangular ends) as apposed to ST (2x a bit like old coax). 1GB cards are usually quite a bit more expensive and often have less ports than 100mb cards. There are also different types of cable for different distances. For the life of me, I can't remember their names right now (sick on a long weekend, bugger!) Multi-mode is one. I usually prefer 1 GB connectors between buildings, but consider the sort of data that is going to be accessed. If its a lot of web browsing then you may find 100MB doesn't get saturated at all. Also no matter what, make sure your switches have the backplane speed to handle the maximum amount of data that the cards can put through it. Nothing like having GB connections limited by a switch. I hope that made some sense. Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] vipw
Hi guys I'm looking into setting up a samba PDC. I've got a help file that I'm working through. It mentioned adjusting users using vipw. So I've been trying to do that. I've found the vim documentation on my system and I've been reading through it, taking a few notes etc. However it seems like a bit of a pain to use. Would I be able to use an editor like kate to add or modify entries in etc/passwd? Cheers Rob T -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] open office calc syntax question
Hi guys I used open office to open an excel spreadsheet that I've written before. I was pretty impressed that the vlookups worked well, but I've encountered a little bit of a problem. I have a cell (E5) which has the following: =+SUM(C5+D5). What it does in excel is to add the values of the cell which are '+2 and '+1 respectively. What it looks like in excel from a print point of view is +2 +1 +3 I had a look through the open office help, but wasn't able to see any solutions. I suspect I'm just using the wrong syntax. Any help would be appreciated, Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: FW: [SLUG] desktop publishing software
Enter the fairy god mother Yes you can export to PDF the last developers release it actually worked well (first release was 'sub-optimal'). Other cool things are that slides can be exported to SWF (flash) files. Coming soon to a server near you... Ok perhaps I'll have to keep an eye out and update as soon as its ready for my little suse system. Thanks Rob * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Mounting a floppy drive, RH8.0
what about mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /x where x equals the folder you are mounting it to? Rob T -Original Message- From: Bill Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Mounting a floppy drive, RH8.0 I've just installed RH 8.0 on the laptop. I tried to keep what went on to a minimum (in truth, I do not understand what many of the applications do) but the installation did, at least, complete itself. I wanted to move some files from a floppy to the hard disc, so I followed the booklet and, at root, typed mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy and was told mount: fs type msdos not supported by kernel So, was it 1) something I should have included in the installation? If so, I'll go back to the discs and pick up the missing bit if someone could tell me what it is, or is it simply 2) something I have to tell the system? Any help ... Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] desktop publishing software
Im using Scribus at the moment, but im having some problems with it. And as far as i know, crossover office doesn't supprt ms publisher (any other emulators do?) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Hi I'd also be interested if there are any good packages out there. Also wouldn't mind knowing if anyone has gotten Indesign, Quark or Pagemaker working through WINE or similar... Regards Rob T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Suse 8.1 plus laptop
Hi guys I have a laptop running Suse 8.1. When I run the battery monitor for KDE it says: Your computer seems to have a partial ACPI installation probably ACPI was enabled, but some of the sub-options were not enabled - you need to enable at least 'AC Adapter' and 'Control Method Battery' and rebuild your kernal. Any suggestions as to how this can be fixed? I'm pretty new to linux, and don't really want to have to rebuild the kernal. Is there something I missed during the suse install? Regards Robert T * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
