Re: [SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
On 27/10/14 08:02, Ashley Maher wrote: ... running Unity Desktop. ... Well, there's your problem! As they say on Mythbusters. ;-) Have you tried it with MATE? http://www.webupd8.org/2014/10/ubuntu-mate-sees-its-first-release-1410.html -- Tom Worthington FACS CP, TomW Communications Pty Ltd. t: 0419496150 The Higher Education Whisperer http://blog.highereducationwhisperer.com/ PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617, Australia http://www.tomw.net.au Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation Adjunct Senior Lecturer, Research School of Computer Science, Australian National University http://cs.anu.edu.au/courses/COMP7310/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
Afternoon, Hope there are a few Ubuntu users around? Have Ubuntu 14.04 running Unity Desktop. The hardware is i7 model 26, 12 Gig RAM, Cape Verde PRO Radeon HD 7750, Graphics driver in use: radeon, driving a 30inch Dell at 2560 X 1600. Opening a terminal and using vim is fine. However NetBeans IDE 8.0 is so slow as to be unusable. Eclipse is totally out of the question. Mail reader works, Libre Office is okay, GIMP is fine. Anybody got ideas as to where to start debugging this?? Regards, Ashley -- == Ashley Maher Director Didymo Designs Phone: 1300 762 599 (+61 2) 8090 2847 (+61 2) 4203 2716 Mob: 0412 351 451 Fax: (+61 2) 8002 0071 Web: http://www.didymodesigns.com.au P.O. Box 410 North Sydney NSW 2059 P.O. Box 1122 Wollongong NSW 2500 Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
Maybe it's Java that's slow? Try a different JDK maybe? -- Felix On 27/10/14 08:02, Ashley Maher wrote: Afternoon, Hope there are a few Ubuntu users around? Have Ubuntu 14.04 running Unity Desktop. The hardware is i7 model 26, 12 Gig RAM, Cape Verde PRO Radeon HD 7750, Graphics driver in use: radeon, driving a 30inch Dell at 2560 X 1600. Opening a terminal and using vim is fine. However NetBeans IDE 8.0 is so slow as to be unusable. Eclipse is totally out of the question. Mail reader works, Libre Office is okay, GIMP is fine. Anybody got ideas as to where to start debugging this?? Regards, Ashley -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
if I wasn't so committed to Ubuntu I would have ditched it by now... it's painfully slow I stayed with Unity because that's what Ubuntu is doing and I didn't want to be Canute, but I have no idea what they were thinking with Unity. Sorry... that doesn't help debug it :( On 27/10/14 08:02, Ashley Maher wrote: Afternoon, Hope there are a few Ubuntu users around? Have Ubuntu 14.04 running Unity Desktop. The hardware is i7 model 26, 12 Gig RAM, Cape Verde PRO Radeon HD 7750, Graphics driver in use: radeon, driving a 30inch Dell at 2560 X 1600. Opening a terminal and using vim is fine. However NetBeans IDE 8.0 is so slow as to be unusable. Eclipse is totally out of the question. Mail reader works, Libre Office is okay, GIMP is fine. Anybody got ideas as to where to start debugging this?? Regards, Ashley -- David McQuire 0418 310312 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
Sounds like you have correlation between Java and slowness. What's the Java configuration like? Do you tweaked the JVM settings to take advantage of the larger RAM, for instance? On 27 October 2014 09:08, Felix Sheldon dark...@internode.on.net wrote: Maybe it's Java that's slow? Try a different JDK maybe? -- Felix On 27/10/14 08:02, Ashley Maher wrote: Afternoon, Hope there are a few Ubuntu users around? Have Ubuntu 14.04 running Unity Desktop. The hardware is i7 model 26, 12 Gig RAM, Cape Verde PRO Radeon HD 7750, Graphics driver in use: radeon, driving a 30inch Dell at 2560 X 1600. Opening a terminal and using vim is fine. However NetBeans IDE 8.0 is so slow as to be unusable. Eclipse is totally out of the question. Mail reader works, Libre Office is okay, GIMP is fine. Anybody got ideas as to where to start debugging this?? Regards, Ashley -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- http://au.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu unity slow
On 27/10/14 08:02, Ashley Maher wrote: Opening a terminal and using vim is fine. However NetBeans IDE 8.0 is so slow as to be unusable. Eclipse is totally out of the question. Interesting. I had a similar experience with the Ubiquiti AirControl2 and Cisco ASDM software, which is so slow as to be unusable, but other applications run perfectly fine. NetBeans, Eclipse, AirControl2, and Cisco ASDM are all Java–based, so possibly some correlation there. So far I haven’t found a direct cause, although I have an NVIDIA–based system where they run smoothly, but all the machines that have issues are Intel–based. I don’t have any Radeon–based systems, I’m afraid. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04 wierdness
I am still having an odd problem with my setup. When I start up my system (Athalon ii X4, 8GB, Ubuntu 12.04) it will always connect to my modem/router but sometimes it refuses to connect to the internet. I know that the net is working as my other computers will happily connect to the net using my wireless lan and what makes it even more wierd is that: a. If I boot my computer using PCLinuxOS it connects to the lan and works perfectly every time, b. My laptop ( i3 4GB ACER) runs on Ubuntu 12.04 and always connects without a problem. My laptop and desktop have identical setups (barring the appropriate drivers for their devices). As my desktop will talk to the router I assume the problem must be in the way that they communicate but am having trouble finding the problem as it seems to fix itself randomly. The problem did not exist with earlier versions of Ubuntu. Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04 wierdness
On 05/06/12 12:46, Ashley wrote: I am still having an odd problem with my setup. When I start up my system (Athalon ii X4, 8GB, Ubuntu 12.04) it will always connect to my modem/router but sometimes it refuses to connect to the internet. I know that the net is working as my other computers will happily connect to the net using my wireless lan and what makes it even more wierd is that: a. If I boot my computer using PCLinuxOS it connects to the lan and works perfectly every time, b. My laptop ( i3 4GB ACER) runs on Ubuntu 12.04 and always connects without a problem. My laptop and desktop have identical setups (barring the appropriate drivers for their devices). As my desktop will talk to the router I assume the problem must be in the way that they communicate but am having trouble finding the problem as it seems to fix itself randomly. The problem did not exist with earlier versions of Ubuntu. Heracles Could be DNS. Try setting the DNS servers manually, not to the address of your router. You can do this in the network settings of your machine having issues, or you can set your router to give the actual DNS server addresses when handing out addresses in DHCP rather than the router address and passing through to DNS servers. This is an issue I have encountered in the past, so is worth a go. Ultimately the best solution is to use Mageia for everything, always :-P Let the distro wars begin :-) Tuxta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04 wierdness
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ashley herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: I am still having an odd problem with my setup. When I start up my system (Athalon ii X4, 8GB, Ubuntu 12.04) it will always connect to my modem/router but sometimes it refuses to connect to the internet. Two things to check. When it doesn't work, check you can resolve hosts, ie host google.com also check your routing table for a default gateway and try a traceroute. I could also be a duplicate ip or something weird like that. when it's not working, try tcpdump -nvei eth0 and try ping google to see what happens. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu ver 12 and wireless internet access
On 11/05/12 15:14, Jeremy Visser wrote: Thus spake Heracles: Firstly check the set-up in your network manager. You may have accidentally replaced your old configuration file with the new network configuration file provided by the developer and may need to go through the set-up process again. I have no idea what the above means. Can you clarify? When you upgrade from one version of Ubuntu/Debian/... you are asked, during the set-up phase of each relevant package, if you want to replace your old configuration file with the one provided by the maintainer of the package. If you say yes then you lose your old configuration file for the package in question and a new one is provided. Often this is no problem, but if you have personalised the package - such as setting up your network - then you need to either retain your old configuration file OR go through the process (of setting up your network) again, from scratch. Hope that helps. Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu ver 12 and wireless internet access
.Hi there I have just loaded Ubuntu version 12 onto my laptop (I was prompted to do so). I use Google Chrome as my browser and I have wireless access. Now I get a message every couple of minutes wanting me to enter my wireless key access code or I get disconnected. This was not happening with ver 11. Can you please advise how to solve this easily or do I need to reload the earlier version? Thank you. Nico -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu ver 12 and wireless internet access
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/05/12 09:55, Nico Marcar wrote: .Hi there I have just loaded Ubuntu version 12 onto my laptop (I was prompted to do so). I use Google Chrome as my browser and I have wireless access. Now I get a message every couple of minutes wanting me to enter my wireless key access code or I get disconnected. This was not happening with ver 11. Can you please advise how to solve this easily or do I need to reload the earlier version? Thank you. Nico Hi Nico, I loaded 12.04 onto my laptop and all went well. I use wireless access to the net constantly and it works perfectly. I can only guess that something went wrong with the load. Firstly check the set-up in your network manager. You may have accidentally replaced your old configuration file with the new network configuration file provided by the developer and may need to go through the set-up process again. If you installed/upgraded over the net you may also need to do an apt-get -f install to fix anything that did not install properly. This happened to me when I upgraded. Oh , and make sure that you have rebooted at least twice since the upgrade. I don't know why but this helps. Heracles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJPrF5lAAoJEL0OglrBXTzmTpAP/10Hgq2ESLMOTva/Ff4sO/UE d541mGkQZczBb3pa+XOPVSrIuVzTZ24+mV9N50/moWSJ6YRfnwrZ3xK544vfy5a+ dVMlkdfGh0wEvcbtXOHk5QBYksngscrVl/Z6Mv/X8ymmKxNqSRP4AWqNKru8Nja2 FYwJQJwSuEVvR59F88W6TSq5CDIYQ7QZXIAxd5SpdaHW+zjP2YFfiB/qBJt8gnGB Yky5FmbOtwSebpG9buZUnrLrbC24KZ9ieHQ5u9SIZfUpxhEXlRS56DHqN+J3vAGz /Xe5Nw5llszE1N7XG02+YFT8qTlMu+jykw23oZLO9Jwjhh8bJ8wIp9NaHimsNgCs oZCIEB4mTe8mm85OTULLgI1MKuTtuwjfZfd1tHtuRqvhqMOCmcj34O2HL54yzt0x Oojn3gU1MPmiNhpjJiuYThcfXoobNqGrvGJRTtsQuTHuInilAZzfXsI/+jflcgqp dm6t+MudvXSf+CyhiOyrxP7v+tlTG+6KQEKEWFh1aaM8rY3TaSDWNNIA4jcjnTZ1 m9l7fD37C6LxXr/Csh8G5v2Biop1e4TO+1xLnjXQmJf523S36MpHtQSDnYcqusUl FopxLYjvYedDuwdpj0nW3dZaU7fCy95Co9oXE3myjBCV1F686M6GVTRQ8K2DltX6 OlAeDRuI+2vNItZ3VfpP =QFzb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu ver 12 and wireless internet access
Thus spake Heracles: Firstly check the set-up in your network manager. You may have accidentally replaced your old configuration file with the new network configuration file provided by the developer and may need to go through the set-up process again. I have no idea what the above means. Can you clarify? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04
Have a strange problem with this install. On my laptop (Core i3 X86_64) the update to 12.04 went OK (had to run the -f to fix and finish the install but OK) All works as expected. On my desktop (AMD II x4 with amd64) all seemed to run perfectly and every thing works EXCEPT although I can easily connect and talk to my router over wifi I cannot surf the net. I think it may be a DNS problem but on checking the configuration I find that nothing has changed. What is even more curious is that if I boot the previous version of Linux with the kernel (3.0.0.17) all is back. Note: When I upgraded I kept my config file for the network. I tried plugging in the OpenDNS servers at (208.67.222.222 etc) but no improvement. Any clues? Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04
whats the results of ifconfig route cat /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/network/interfaces On 03/05/12 13:54, Heracles wrote: Have a strange problem with this install. On my laptop (Core i3 X86_64) the update to 12.04 went OK (had to run the -f to fix and finish the install but OK) All works as expected. On my desktop (AMD II x4 with amd64) all seemed to run perfectly and every thing works EXCEPT although I can easily connect and talk to my router over wifi I cannot surf the net. I think it may be a DNS problem but on checking the configuration I find that nothing has changed. What is even more curious is that if I boot the previous version of Linux with the kernel (3.0.0.17) all is back. Note: When I upgraded I kept my config file for the network. I tried plugging in the OpenDNS servers at (208.67.222.222 etc) but no improvement. Any clues? Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04
I'll have to reboot to get those results. Might take a few minutes. Thanks Jake. Heracles On 03/05/12 14:15, Jake Anderson wrote: whats the results of ifconfig route cat /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/network/interfaces On 03/05/12 13:54, Heracles wrote: Have a strange problem with this install. On my laptop (Core i3 X86_64) the update to 12.04 went OK (had to run the -f to fix and finish the install but OK) All works as expected. On my desktop (AMD II x4 with amd64) all seemed to run perfectly and every thing works EXCEPT although I can easily connect and talk to my router over wifi I cannot surf the net. I think it may be a DNS problem but on checking the configuration I find that nothing has changed. What is even more curious is that if I boot the previous version of Linux with the kernel (3.0.0.17) all is back. Note: When I upgraded I kept my config file for the network. I tried plugging in the OpenDNS servers at (208.67.222.222 etc) but no improvement. Any clues? Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04
On 03/05/12 14:22, Heracles wrote: I'll have to reboot to get those results. Might take a few minutes. Thanks Jake. Heracles On 03/05/12 14:15, Jake Anderson wrote: whats the results of ifconfig route cat /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/network/interfaces Did the reboot and, on a whim, put the MAC address of the router (BSSID) and that of my WiFi card and all now works. ifconfig, route and /etc/network/interfaces were all identical to the working system. Not sure why the BSSID had to be there but it now works. Thanks Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu instalation
Hi all I had a HDD failure which wiped out my Ubutnu install and I have put a new HDD in and installed Ubuntu and what comes up when I boot from the HDD is a blank screen and the cursor. Someone was kind enough the support me in getting Ubuntu running the last time and I would really appreciate if someone could guide me through the process now. Yours in Wellness Johannes Nielsen CEO BAMedia Wellness Marketing and Event Management ABN 32 071 013 220 bammeb...@gmail.com + 61 (0) 451 326 960 (Optus Cell Phone) ICQ 70972773 Skype fuzzy8561 Excellence in Service Provision http://bikedaddybike.blogspot.com/ On 30 March 2012 20:43, Jim Donovan j...@aptnsw.org.au wrote: From the Westpac site this evening: Online Banking will be unavailable from 02:50 am Sydney time for 1 hour 25 minutes on Sunday 1 April 2012 due to scheduled maintenance. Meanwhile, NAB says: Due to scheduled maintenance Internet Banking will be unavailable on Sunday 1 April from 1AM-5AM AEDT. We discussed this before. Looks like banks still haven't worked out how to handle changing timezones. And NAB doesn't understand that there simply won't be 5AM AEDT on 1 April. Jim Donovan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Fwd: [SLUG] Ubuntu instalation
Don't know, but could be more than the hard-disk is dead. What type of computer ? I have recently encountered the same problem with HP-Desktops and was told that the CMOS battery was dead. True to the advice, when I replaced the battery the systems no longer came up with a blank screen and booted properly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04 (David Lyon)
On 31/03/2012, at 9:00 AM, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: (I just downloaded their alpha. It's user interface is really schmick. Sadly it just wouldn't install to my machine properly). But what I did see was very, very nice. Beta has been out for weeks and final is due in weeks. Give it a fair go (and don't use alpha) I think it's horrid BUT canonical have the money (to make it happen) and their stated aim is voice recognition. Gesture stuff too (my son sent me a video of a mouse moving by face control) so really interesting from accessability point of view. James-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04 (David Lyon)
ok, I think I will download the beta and try it. For those who haven't seen Ubuntu 12 with its ultra-cool Heads-Up-Display and tweaked User Interface check it out at: - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-beta-1-released/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04
- http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/251210/seven_new_features_in_ubuntu_1204_precise_pangolin_beta_1.html (I just downloaded their alpha. It's user interface is really schmick. Sadly it just wouldn't install to my machine properly). But what I did see was very, very nice. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu touchpad issues
OK, this is weird. I did as you suggested (thanks, Peter), and the mouse-related output in the log looked reasonably similar to the touchpad output- and whilst I was comparing the two, the touchpad started to work! So I unplugged the mouse and rebooted, and after logging in, the touchpad didn't work - for about three minutes, and then it was OK again. So there's some weird delay going on. Edwin On 26/02/12 12:37, Peter Barker wrote: Hi Edwin, The starting point for diagnosing the problem is to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. This shows what happened the last time you started X. There should be lines about all devices, for example: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass evdev touchpad catchall The external mouse will be in the log also, so you can see what sort of information is logged. Hopefully there will be some helpful error messages. With my install of Kubuntu 11.10 on a thinkpad everything just worked without installing any extra packages, or modifying grub parameters. Regards, Peter On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:53 AM Edwin Humphries wrote: G'day all, I'm wondering whether anyone has had success at resolving Ubuntu touchpad issues? My daughter and I both have dual-boot (Win7 64/Ubuntu 11.10 64) laptops; mine is an Acer Travelmate 5740 and hers a Fujitsu Lifebook S6410. the Acer has a Synaptic PS/2 touchpad, and the Fujitsu a Microsoft PS/2 touchpad. I can go into some detail on my case - her laptop's not here, but I'm hoping the fix will sort hers out as well. A USB wireless mouse plugged in to the Acer works fine; however nothing on the touchpad works. The Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server is installed and after installing tpconfig the Touchpad tab is present under Mouse and Touchpad settings. I installed gpointing-device-settings, which also recognises the device and provides for its configuration. But neither actually do anything. I've added 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=i8042.nopnp' to the grub conf, and the touchpad works at the login screen, so I'm assuming it's something associated with X, but I'm very inexpert in even understanding X, let alone debugging it, so: does anyone have ideas? attachment: edwinh.vcf-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu touchpad issues
G'day all, I'm wondering whether anyone has had success at resolving Ubuntu touchpad issues? My daughter and I both have dual-boot (Win7 64/Ubuntu 11.10 64) laptops; mine is an Acer Travelmate 5740 and hers a Fujitsu Lifebook S6410. the Acer has a Synaptic PS/2 touchpad, and the Fujitsu a Microsoft PS/2 touchpad. I can go into some detail on my case - her laptop's not here, but I'm hoping the fix will sort hers out as well. A USB wireless mouse plugged in to the Acer works fine; however nothing on the touchpad works. The Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server is installed and after installing tpconfig the Touchpad tab is present under Mouse and Touchpad settings. I installed gpointing-device-settings, which also recognises the device and provides for its configuration. But neither actually do anything. I've added 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=i8042.nopnp' to the grub conf, and the touchpad works at the login screen, so I'm assuming it's something associated with X, but I'm very inexpert in even understanding X, let alone debugging it, so: does anyone have ideas? attachment: edwinh.vcf-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu touchpad issues
Hi Edwin, The starting point for diagnosing the problem is to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. This shows what happened the last time you started X. There should be lines about all devices, for example: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass evdev touchpad catchall The external mouse will be in the log also, so you can see what sort of information is logged. Hopefully there will be some helpful error messages. With my install of Kubuntu 11.10 on a thinkpad everything just worked without installing any extra packages, or modifying grub parameters. Regards, Peter On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:53 AM Edwin Humphries wrote: G'day all, I'm wondering whether anyone has had success at resolving Ubuntu touchpad issues? My daughter and I both have dual-boot (Win7 64/Ubuntu 11.10 64) laptops; mine is an Acer Travelmate 5740 and hers a Fujitsu Lifebook S6410. the Acer has a Synaptic PS/2 touchpad, and the Fujitsu a Microsoft PS/2 touchpad. I can go into some detail on my case - her laptop's not here, but I'm hoping the fix will sort hers out as well. A USB wireless mouse plugged in to the Acer works fine; however nothing on the touchpad works. The Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server is installed and after installing tpconfig the Touchpad tab is present under Mouse and Touchpad settings. I installed gpointing-device-settings, which also recognises the device and provides for its configuration. But neither actually do anything. I've added 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=i8042.nopnp' to the grub conf, and the touchpad works at the login screen, so I'm assuming it's something associated with X, but I'm very inexpert in even understanding X, let alone debugging it, so: does anyone have ideas? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu touchpad issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have an Aspire 5741 and the touchpad works fine most of the time. It does occasionally stop working but this is usually after some program has crashed. I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 with no special configuration options. Heracles On 26/02/12 11:45, Edwin Humphries wrote: G'day all, I'm wondering whether anyone has had success at resolving Ubuntu touchpad issues? My daughter and I both have dual-boot (Win7 64/Ubuntu 11.10 64) laptops; mine is an Acer Travelmate 5740 and hers a Fujitsu Lifebook S6410. the Acer has a Synaptic PS/2 touchpad, and the Fujitsu a Microsoft PS/2 touchpad. I can go into some detail on my case - her laptop's not here, but I'm hoping the fix will sort hers out as well. A USB wireless mouse plugged in to the Acer works fine; however nothing on the touchpad works. The Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server is installed and after installing tpconfig the Touchpad tab is present under Mouse and Touchpad settings. I installed gpointing-device-settings, which also recognises the device and provides for its configuration. But neither actually do anything. I've added 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=i8042.nopnp' to the grub conf, and the touchpad works at the login screen, so I'm assuming it's something associated with X, but I'm very inexpert in even understanding X, let alone debugging it, so: does anyone have ideas? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9J1GsACgkQybPcBAs9CE8gkwCfaBv33bbhlKmoBIRVHeOMLFQE xy4AoK0iBZG36m/nYQAN/Aed4TpZb6R8 =25rS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Rod On 10/20/11 16:55, elliott-brennan wrote: Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
On 20/10/11 19:10, Rod Butcher wrote: Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Rod The same can be said of gnome_shell and with more justification I'd say I find unity and unity-2d over all very good but I add a panel with a taskbar what worries me is the trend towards apple idea's, I know people rave about apples ui but I thing it totally sux, of the two though unity beats gnome_shell hands down in my opinion, and I cannot stand the attitude of the gnome devs like our way we know best, fascist you know what's On 10/20/11 16:55, elliott-brennan wrote: Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
On 20 October 2011 19:10, Rod Butcher rbutc...@hyenainternet.com wrote: Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Good heavens, anyone would think Microsoft had taken over Linux development! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Thus spake James Linder: I just tried all the gnome options but was unable to get right-click the panel (task bar) to offer the usual Add-Widgets etc. That’s because the feature has been removed. GNOME Panel is but a shadow of its former self. Those suggesting that you use GNOME Classic are either idiots and don’t think you need such functionality, or haven’t bothered using it for more than about 5 minutes to find out that it’s watered down so. To be fair, I don’t think that the GNOME team actually intended for anybody to use Classic on a daily basis. Rather, I get the impression that it is only useful as a recovery environment if compositing isn’t working. You should either use the full GNOME 3 including GNOME Shell, or continue to use GNOME 2 until you feel you’re ready. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
I'm very happy with Mint. And you can get Mint Debian now if you want to shake the dust of Ubuntu off for ever. AND it's green. But I gather the new Kubuntu is pretty good too. Jon. On 19/10/11 14:37, gonzo01 wrote: Just use Linux Mint 11 -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. Ken Jeremy said... That’s because the feature has been removed. GNOME Panel is but a shadow of its former self. Those suggesting that you use GNOME Classic are either idiots and don’t think you need such functionality, or haven’t bothered using it for more than about 5 minutes to find out that it’s watered down so. To be fair, I don’t think that the GNOME team actually intended for anybody to use Classic on a daily basis. Rather, I get the impression that it is only useful as a recovery environment if compositing isn’t working. You should either use the full GNOME 3 including GNOME Shell, or continue to use GNOME 2 until you feel you’re ready. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18 October 2011 16:36, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I don't mind Unity but I DO mind that (as it appears from the 2 minutes I had to look at it) NetworkManager fails to find dbus and takes the network down with it, so now there is no network until I find time to figure this out... --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18/10/11 16:36, Heracles wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles I love unity both 3d 2d I have it on all my machines it rocks, but I do run perlpanel with it I still want a taskbar etc :-P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. apt-get install gnome It has been demoted to universe. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. I've been thinking of returning to debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 16:36 +1100, Heracles wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles Took me a while. Click on you user name. A gear will appear near your name, you can then select classic Gnome from the start up. Personally I have moved to XUbuntu and xfce. Seems to work OK for me so far. I did this by installing xubuntu and then using the gear wheel to select xfce. Thanks Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Henare Degan henare.de...@gmail.com wrote: In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. My colleague had a new install of 11.04 for about two weeks and upgraded to 11.10 yesterday, on new T-Series Lenovo laptop. Multiple monitors seem to just work. -- Simon Males -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18/10/2011, at 8:32 PM, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles Took me a while. Click on you user name. A gear will appear near your name, you can then select classic Gnome from the start up. Personally I have moved to XUbuntu and xfce. Seems to work OK for me so far. I did this by installing xubuntu and then using the gear wheel to select xfce. If you installed without fiddling, then you need apt-get install gnome before Ken's 'just click' will work. I just tried all the gnome options but was unable to get right-click the panel (task bar) to offer the usual Add-Widgets etc. I will spelunk, does xfce off weather and cpu-freq aplets? But ... it seems to me that Heracles' advice is ummm sound! James-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:32, Simon Males s...@sime.net.au wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Henare Degan henare.de...@gmail.com wrote: In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. My colleague had a new install of 11.04 for about two weeks and upgraded to 11.10 yesterday, on new T-Series Lenovo laptop. Multiple monitors seem to just work. I'm on a T-series ThinkPad too and there were simple things that just flat out didn't work after the upgrade e.g. I couldn't maximise a window, it'd just vertical maximise to one side of the screen. However, this morning things are looking really good with my multiple monitor setup and working how I would expect - I think I know why. Before the upgrade (and for some time) I've had a few bits of custom Compiz config, nothing crazy although I guess some people call wobbly windows crazy :) My hypothesis is that this custom config was interfering with Compiz/Unity and that was the source of my post upgrade woes. Why do I think this? Well yesterday I was using my notebook with no additional screen and I needed to just Get Stuff Done so I battled with Unity to try and get a working environment. This involved a bit of research and resulted in running `unity --reset`, which resets (amongst other things?) your Compiz config. Hopefully that might help others. If all else fails and you want to give Unity a red hot go, try running `unity --reset` and restarting/logging back in. Cheers, Henare -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:51, Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name wrote: I wish it was green. Have you tried openSUSE? :P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Just use Linux Mint 11 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Heh .. I was using 11.04 to Get Stuff Done but with a move of house I decided to get Debian 6.02 up on the other drive again and have not looked back since. I did not realise what I was missing .. great screensavers, for one. If you are battling with *buntu, you should go back to the source. Regards, Adam Bogacki, adam.boga...@clear.net.nz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:36, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. My Twitter feed has been a torrent of rage and bile since I made the mistake of thinking this was 2011 and I could safely upgrade my distro without it being a catastrophic 90s-grade failure. Ahh, that feels slightly better ;) In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. Yours grumbly, Henare -- Henare Degan e » henare.de...@gmail.com t » @henaredegan w » www.henaredegan.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.4 to 10.10 upgrade nvidia GeForce 8600GT
Just for the record A simple upgrade to the 10.10 using the Synaptic GUI worked perfectly first time. I'm not sure why the release notes were so cautionary. Maybe any problem had been fixed in the meantime. thanks for the various replies. On 09/08/11 14:57, Felix Sheldon wrote: On 08/09/2011 11:16 AM, David wrote: I need to upgrade to 10.10 to get the latest version of a particular software. 10.10 release notes talk about problems with GeForce 8600GT drivers (and several other nVidia drivers). I had an 8800GT and no problems. Has anybody done this successfully? Google seems to suggest very mixed results. I don't want to find myself unable to use my desktop for critical work. The cards in the first link are ancient, and were dropped from the standard proprietary nvidia drivers. Maybe try with the live CD first? You can upgrade from the CD I think. HTH, Felix -- David McQuire 0418 310312 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ubuntu 10.4 to 10.10 upgrade nvidia GeForce 8600GT
I need to upgrade to 10.10 to get the latest version of a particular software. 10.10 release notes talk about problems with GeForce 8600GT drivers (and several other nVidia drivers). Has anybody done this successfully? Google seems to suggest very mixed results. I don't want to find myself unable to use my desktop for critical work. I've been looking at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/626974 and this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1614860 but I can't see anything that inspires confidence. Thanks -- David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
On 30/05/11 13:51, david wrote: I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance Thanks David. My way of upgrading that gets a machine back to what it was fairly easily, and also gives a recovery point. Used multiple times with good results while some dist upgrades failed, sometimes a contents of chair problem. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-get-list-installed-software-reinstallation-restore.html Hardware and Software failures are part of Life. That is why you need to have a backup. I have already written about backing files and MySQL databases. You need not to backup all installed binaries (mostly software) with following tips. It will not just save your time but both Debian and RHEL distro can update them instantly. In order to reinstall or restore your installed software you need to have a list of all installed software. Task: Backup list of installed software Debian Linux If you are using Debian Linux use dpkg command to list installed software: $ dpkg --get-selections Store list of installed software to a file called /backup/installed-software.log $ dpkg --get-selections /backup/installed-software.log RPM based distributions (RHEL, Fedora Core, Cent OS, Suse Linux etc) Use rpm command to get list of all installed software: $ rpm -qa OR $ rpm -qa /backup/installed-software.log Task: Restore installed software from backup list Now you have a list of installed software. After installing base system you can immediately install all software. Debian Linux Debian Linux makes your life easy. All you have to do is type following two commands: # dpkg --set-selections /backup/installed-software.log Now your list is imported use dselect or other tools to install the package. # dselect Select 'i' for install the software. RPM based distro As far as I know RPM based distro does not offers dpkg kind of facility. But with little shell scripting technquie you can easily install all software: # LIST=$( cat /backup/installed-software.log ) If you are using yum, type the following for loop to install all software: # for s in $LIST; do yum install $s; done Update try out following command (thanks to gt): # yum -y install $(cat /backup/installed-software.log) OR if you are using RHEL (RHN subscriber) : # for s in $LIST; do up2date -i $s; done Alternatively you use following command: # up2date -i $(cat /backup/installed-software.log) If you want to repeat installation of all packages from your computer to another one their is ideal solution to create list of all installed packages on your computer. Open shell and type: sudo dpkg --get-selections installed-programs Fileinstalled-programs will be written inside your Home folder and you can copy this folder. On another computer (computer on which you want to import this list) type: sudo dpkg --set-selections installed-programs sudo dselect This procedure will mark all inside list for download, and then it will start will downloading and installation. Note that you also need to copy file /etc/apt/sources.list. You also need to refresh files database with command sudo apt-get update -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
On 30/05/2011, at 1:51 PM, david wrote: I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance I'll throw my 2c in the mix for a little alternate perspective. Firstly, the only times I've had any significant problems upgrading Ubuntu was when I went from Hardy 8.04LTS directly to Lucid 10.04LTS (which was/is a supported upgrade mind you). This really was a collossal cluster fsck...but probably my doing; I had some custom repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, simply changed all references of hardy to lucid and did an apt-get update apt-get -u dist-upgrade. This resulted in a completely neutered weekend and is NOT the way to upgrade (read about it here: http://gray.net.au/article.php/2010100401). The correct way is to use the upgrade manager (full details here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/upgrade): 1. sudo apt-get install update-manager-core 2. sudo do-release-upgrade The only other upgrade hell I entered was when I went from Hoary (5.04) to Breezy (5.10) which left some KDE packages in a mess (read about it here - http://gray.net.au/article.php/20051016111619198). Given the age of the whole Ubuntu (and especially Kubuntu) platform in 2005, I'm not entirely surprised. So one borked upgrade as a result of PICNIC (Problem In Chair, Not In Computer), and the second probably due to immaturity in the platform (Kubuntu), I haven't had any problems since. In fact I recently upgraded ALL my 10.10 systems to 11.04 (some desktops, some servers, some virtual/guest, some physical) and NOT ONE has had any problems...and I absolutely slam my machines ;) Ubuntu is now quite a robust distro and the upgrade manager makes the whole process relative painless. As always, backup before upgrade. Personally, I'm quite happy with the 11.04 release and I'm enjoying the version bumps on a number of packages which have made a whole new set of goodies available. Have fun. Usual disclaimers apply. Cheers, James smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
Hi David, On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:51 PM, david da...@kenpro.com.au wrote: I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. Try in System/Administration/Software Sources select tab Updates and change Release Upgrade option from LTS release only to Normal releases. Perhaps this change return upgrade-to-new-distribution button. -- http://www.dataparksearch.org/ Twitter: @Maxime2 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
david said: Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance It’s not like even officially supported upgrade scenarios go remotely smoothly. Fortunately dist-upgrades rarely eat *all* of your data. -- /me visualises a comic-book style bolding of the words 'rarely' and 'all' signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
I have never experienced a seamless upgrade of any Ubuntu distribution, so I second the recommendation to do a full backup before attempting the upgrade. I recently upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04. It was the smoothest upgrade I've ever had with Ubuntu, or windows for that matter. Only Issue I had was something funny with the task manager causing it to flash - very anoying. Solved by a partial profile reset, wihich solved a heap of other niggles as well. Even my multiseat kept working. Oh and one of my DVB tuners dropped out of existance, but another one came back, why can I only get 2 out of 3 working? What are you backing up? anything that you can't afford to loose over an upgrade should have already been backed up! cheers Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance Thanks David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance Do proper, full backup (dd is my personal favorite, but I guess there are more sophisticated tools nowdays), do the upgrade and test if anything went wrong? If it is 'complicated' unlikely that anyone can answer your question (although you may get some misleading 'everything went fine' emails) , so full backup is a must anyway. Good luck! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM, miloska milo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance Do proper, full backup (dd is my personal favorite, but I guess there are more sophisticated tools nowdays), do the upgrade and test if anything went wrong? If it is 'complicated' unlikely that anyone can answer your question (although you may get some misleading 'everything went fine' emails) , so full backup is a must anyway. Good luck! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html I have never experienced a seamless upgrade of any Ubuntu distribution, so I second the recommendation to do a full backup before attempting the upgrade. Ubuntu does some fairly vast changes between revisions, and seeing as you're skipping a whole major release in the upgrade, bad things could happen. As for what to backup with, I use ddrescue as it has a nicer interface for showing copying speed and error rate. -- Regards, Brendan Molloy M: +61 434 069 776 T: @piecritic W: http://bbqsrc.net E: bren...@bbqsrc.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
Not that I'm any Ubuntu expert, but from many accounts on the Ubuntu forums, you apparently want to avoid going to 11.04 just yet. And I personally had problem with 10.04. So go to 10.10 direct. - Original Message - From: david da...@kenpro.com.au To: slug@slug.org.au Sent: Monday, 30 May, 2011 13:51:11 Subject: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
The old Ubuntu repos are kept under http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ eg a Gutsy (7.10) sources.list would look like: deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates universe deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates multiverse deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security main restricted deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security multiverse Sonia. On Mon, 30 May 2011 13:51:11 +1000, david da...@kenpro.com.au said: I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. Are there any gotchas if I just change my sources list and do a dist-upgrade? This is a complicated desktop which would be a horror to rebuild, so I really would rather know any problems in advance Thanks David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:38 PM, K L k...@attitia.com wrote: Not that I'm any Ubuntu expert, but from many accounts on the Ubuntu forums, you apparently want to avoid going to 11.04 just yet. And I personally had problem with 10.04. So go to 10.10 direct. - Original Message - From: david da...@kenpro.com.au To: slug@slug.org.au Sent: Monday, 30 May, 2011 13:51:11 Subject: [SLUG] ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade I've been putting it off, but now the 9.04 repo has vanished, along with the upgrade-to-new-distribution button in synaptic. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html 10.04 is the LTS version, so he may want to take that into account when upgrading. -- Regards, Brendan Molloy M: +61 434 069 776 T: @piecritic W: http://bbqsrc.net E: bren...@bbqsrc.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.04 Linux, Evolution 2.28.3 and ecxhange 2007?
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.04 Linux, Evolution 2.28.3 and ecxhange 2007?
On Thursday, March 31, 2011 09:00:03 AM slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: January 19th, 2011 at ubuntuforums.org thread 1259082, someone posted that Evolution works fine with mircosoft ecxhange 2007. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1259082page=3) Has anyone on this list gotten it to work? My mate, a lecturer at curtin uni uses and likes evolution because it works with the uni's exchange server. I find it a help to know a thing can be done, I hope this inspires you. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 10.04 Linux, Evolution 2.28.3 and ecxhange 2007?
G'Day, January 19th, 2011 at ubuntuforums.org thread 1259082, someone posted that Evolution works fine with mircosoft ecxhange 2007. (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1259082page=3) Has anyone on this list gotten it to work? Having installed evolution-mapi (0.28.3-0ubuntu1), in Evolution during email account configuration, once I've chosen: ServerType: Exchange MAPI and filled in the Server: Username: Domainname: fields, I'm unable to get authentication to work, always getting MapiLogonProvider:MAPI_E_LOGON_FAILED after having clicked the Authenticate button. Am currently working with the hosted provider to resolve, but they've pointed me toward an ubuntuforums thread which is four years old, so y'all probably know better than them. Thanks, Tom -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
Replacing drives with smart errors and reinstalling seems to have fixed
things, and the machine boots much faster now.
Thanks all
Ken
On 14/02/11 08:15, Jon and Hannah wrote:
Hi,
Have you:
Run a disk check (fsck?) and checked the SMART status of your drives?
Run a RAM check - using the ful live CD, you can run that for a few hours and
tell you if your RAM is ok.
The above two have given me the same problem in the past.
The current thing giving me that problem is a rubbish graphics card, which I
notice getting to 98degC and has caused the computer to lock up, and the
screen to go blank. It replaced another rubbish grphics card which did the
same thing, but the screen remained visible, just didn't change.
cheers
Jon
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:44:17 pm you wrote:
I have a problem with an Ubuntu 10.4 desktop.
It regularly ends up unresposive, with a blank screen, often after being
left alone for a while, a few hours or overnight. But can happen while
using machine, where it just stops being able to respond to mouse or
keyboard with no recovery.
No response to keyboard or mouse.
[ctl] [alt] [backspace] has no effect.
Only able to recover by hard shutdown.
I initially thought it might be firefox so shut that down when I left
the machine, it still happened.
I removed some backup software that I no longer used incase I had
misconfigured it as at times I got a message on booting that /etc was
full and had a memory of /etc being the default place for creating some
backups. df did not show /etc was full. Still happens.
Reinstalled /, (have separate /home partition), still happens.
Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below sequence,
as does dmesg command output done at other times.
Is this a clue to something?
Are their other places that I should be looking?
[11017.517434] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[11017.517446] ata1: soft resetting link
[11017.868242] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[11017.868268] ata1: EH complete
[12817.481237] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[12817.516675] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[12817.516681] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[12817.516689] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[12817.516690] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[12817.516694] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[12817.516705] ata1: soft resetting link
[12817.864267] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[12817.864297] ata1: EH complete
[14617.476629] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[14617.512669] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[14617.512676] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[14617.512684] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[14617.512685] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[14617.512690] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[14617.512700] ata1: soft resetting link
[14617.860228] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[14617.860246] ata1: EH complete
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
Hi,
Have you:
Run a disk check (fsck?) and checked the SMART status of your drives?
Run a RAM check - using the ful live CD, you can run that for a few hours and
tell you if your RAM is ok.
The above two have given me the same problem in the past.
The current thing giving me that problem is a rubbish graphics card, which I
notice getting to 98degC and has caused the computer to lock up, and the
screen to go blank. It replaced another rubbish grphics card which did the
same thing, but the screen remained visible, just didn't change.
cheers
Jon
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:44:17 pm you wrote:
I have a problem with an Ubuntu 10.4 desktop.
It regularly ends up unresposive, with a blank screen, often after being
left alone for a while, a few hours or overnight. But can happen while
using machine, where it just stops being able to respond to mouse or
keyboard with no recovery.
No response to keyboard or mouse.
[ctl] [alt] [backspace] has no effect.
Only able to recover by hard shutdown.
I initially thought it might be firefox so shut that down when I left
the machine, it still happened.
I removed some backup software that I no longer used incase I had
misconfigured it as at times I got a message on booting that /etc was
full and had a memory of /etc being the default place for creating some
backups. df did not show /etc was full. Still happens.
Reinstalled /, (have separate /home partition), still happens.
Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below sequence,
as does dmesg command output done at other times.
Is this a clue to something?
Are their other places that I should be looking?
[11017.517434] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[11017.517446] ata1: soft resetting link
[11017.868242] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[11017.868268] ata1: EH complete
[12817.481237] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[12817.516675] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[12817.516681] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[12817.516689] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[12817.516690] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[12817.516694] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[12817.516705] ata1: soft resetting link
[12817.864267] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[12817.864297] ata1: EH complete
[14617.476629] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[14617.512669] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[14617.512676] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[14617.512684] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[14617.512685] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[14617.512690] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[14617.512700] ata1: soft resetting link
[14617.860228] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[14617.860246] ata1: EH complete
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[SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
I have a problem with an Ubuntu 10.4 desktop.
It regularly ends up unresposive, with a blank screen, often after being
left alone for a while, a few hours or overnight. But can happen while
using machine, where it just stops being able to respond to mouse or
keyboard with no recovery.
No response to keyboard or mouse.
[ctl] [alt] [backspace] has no effect.
Only able to recover by hard shutdown.
I initially thought it might be firefox so shut that down when I left
the machine, it still happened.
I removed some backup software that I no longer used incase I had
misconfigured it as at times I got a message on booting that /etc was
full and had a memory of /etc being the default place for creating some
backups. df did not show /etc was full. Still happens.
Reinstalled /, (have separate /home partition), still happens.
Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below sequence,
as does dmesg command output done at other times.
Is this a clue to something?
Are their other places that I should be looking?
[11017.517434] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[11017.517446] ata1: soft resetting link
[11017.868242] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[11017.868268] ata1: EH complete
[12817.481237] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[12817.516675] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[12817.516681] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[12817.516689] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[12817.516690] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[12817.516694] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[12817.516705] ata1: soft resetting link
[12817.864267] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[12817.864297] ata1: EH complete
[14617.476629] ata1: drained 32768 bytes to clear DRQ.
[14617.512669] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6
frozen
[14617.512676] ata1.00: failed command: SMART
[14617.512684] ata1.00: cmd b0/d1:01:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0
pio 512 in
[14617.512685] res 58/00:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask
0x2 (HSM violation)
[14617.512690] ata1.00: status: { DRDY DRQ }
[14617.512700] ata1: soft resetting link
[14617.860228] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
[14617.860246] ata1: EH complete
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
Ken == Ken Wilson kenwi...@ozemail.com.au writes: Ken Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below Ken sequence, as does dmesg command output done at other times. Is Ken this a clue to something? Are their other places that I should Ken be looking? You appear to have a duff disc or SATA cable. -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au ERTOS within National ICT Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4 desktop freezes
Check that your SATA cable is properly seated at both ends and check the connector ends for cracks, particularly the end that plugs into the hard drive. Also Check the SMART status of your hard drive for possible faults. cheers Darrin On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Peter Chubb peter.ch...@nicta.com.auwrote: Ken == Ken Wilson kenwi...@ozemail.com.au writes: Ken Output of dmesg after a restart contains many repeats of below Ken sequence, as does dmesg command output done at other times. Is Ken this a clue to something? Are their other places that I should Ken be looking? You appear to have a duff disc or SATA cable. -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au ERTOS within National ICT Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu disk in Sydney
Hi everyone! I'm Italian, I arrived in Sydney 3 weeks ago. I am looking for a software developer job and I have already sent some CVs. Unfortunately in the apartment where I live I have a very very slow internet connection and I can't download an ISO of Ubuntu. Does someone kwnow where I can get a copy of the Ubuntu CD? Or if is there a place in the city where I can have a broadband internet access? Thank you very much for your help. Marika Ercolani -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu disk in Sydney
Marika Ercolani wrote: I'm Italian, I arrived in Sydney 3 weeks ago. Welcome. I am looking for a software developer job and I have already sent some CVs. Unfortunately in the apartment where I live I have a very very slow internet connection and I can't download an ISO of Ubuntu. Does someone kwnow where I can get a copy of the Ubuntu CD? Or if is there a place in the city where I can have a broadband internet access? Where in Sydney are you located? If you give a location there is a good chance there will be a knowledgable Linux user in the same area that can provide you with an ISO. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
R: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu disk in Sydney
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Where in Sydney are you located? If you give a location there is a good chance there will be a knowledgable Linux user in the same area that can provide you with an ISO. I live at 207 Chalmers St, Redfern. Any Linux user with a wonderful ISO in the neighbourhood? Cheers, Marika -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: R: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu disk in Sydney
Marika Ercolani wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Where in Sydney are you located? If you give a location there is a good chance there will be a knowledgable Linux user in the same area that can provide you with an ISO. I live at 207 Chalmers St, Redfern. Any Linux user with a wonderful ISO in the neighbourhood? I'm at Kings Cross/Potts Point, but I'm sure there's someone closer to you. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
R: Re: R: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu disk in Sydney
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Where in Sydney are you located? If you give a location there is a good chance there will be a knowledgable Linux user in the same area that can provide you with an ISO. I live at 207 Chalmers St, Redfern. Any Linux user with a wonderful ISO in the neighbourhood? I'm at Kings Cross/Potts Point, but I'm sure there's someone closer to you. It's ok, I've found someone close to Redfern, Thank you very much guys. Cheers, Marika -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
On 15 June 2010 22:08, Craig Warner coolum.surfl...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know whether this is correct or not but its working for now add to the following script /etc/network/if-up.d/mtu #!/bin/sh ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300 restart networking now wireshark is not reporting the error and I can sent emails and access https sites I would suggest using iptables to perform MSS clamping. https://blue-labs.org/howto/mtu-mss.php -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
On 18/06/2010, at 2:15 AM, dave b wrote: On 15 June 2010 22:08, Craig Warner coolum.surfl...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know whether this is correct or not but its working for now add to the following script /etc/network/if-up.d/mtu #!/bin/sh ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300 restart networking now wireshark is not reporting the error and I can sent emails and access https sites I would suggest using iptables to perform MSS clamping. https://blue-labs.org/howto/mtu-mss.php Does that fix all protocols, or just tcp? -- http://chesterton.id.au/blog/ http://barrang.com.au/linux/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
I don't know whether this is correct or not but its working for now add to the following script /etc/network/if-up.d/mtu #!/bin/sh ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300 restart networking now wireshark is not reporting the error and I can sent emails and access https sites -- Craig Warner PO Box A1351 Sydney South 1235 Mobile 0421 739 747 On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 09:37 +1000, Michael Chesterton wrote: On 14/06/2010, at 6:35 PM, Craig Warner wrote: An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using evolution. When using Fedora 13, there no problems connecting to https sites and using email. Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get Destination unreachable (fragmentation needed) when access https or sending a message with evolution. Do you get that with both fedora and ubuntu. The only thing i can think of is the icmp message is being blocked. Do you have any iptables rules, filter and/or nat? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using evolution. When using Fedora 13, there no problems connecting to https sites and using email. Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get Destination unreachable (fragmentation needed) when access https or sending a message with evolution. The ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 13 workstations connect thru a Netcomm N3G002W 3G router. Tried #tracerouter --mtu gmail,com on both workstations. Ubuntu 10.04 failed with same problem, before using launchpad, what other information should be gathered? -- Craig Warner -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
This may be typo, but you have gmail,com instead of gmail.com comma v dot Kind Regards Kyle On 14/06/10 6:35 PM, Craig Warner wrote: An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using evolution. When using Fedora 13, there no problems connecting to https sites and using email. Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get Destination unreachable (fragmentation needed) when access https or sending a message with evolution. The ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 13 workstations connect thru a Netcomm N3G002W 3G router. Tried #tracerouter --mtu gmail,com on both workstations. Ubuntu 10.04 failed with same problem, before using launchpad, what other information should be gathered? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
On 14/06/2010, at 6:35 PM, Craig Warner wrote: An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using evolution. When using Fedora 13, there no problems connecting to https sites and using email. Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get Destination unreachable (fragmentation needed) when access https or sending a message with evolution. Do you get that with both fedora and ubuntu. The only thing i can think of is the icmp message is being blocked. Do you have any iptables rules, filter and/or nat? -- http://chesterton.id.au/blog/ http://barrang.com.au/linux/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu 10.04
ppp is on the router, I'll look at MTU I gather this is the right description /etc/network/interfaces pre-up /sbin/ifconfig $IFACE mtu 1430 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Michael Chesterton che...@chesterton.id.au wrote: On 15/06/2010, at 10:20 AM, Craig Warner wrote: One of the first things I look at when encountering the problem. Looked at the log messages, and still nothing. No iptables rules, filter and or nat. I was wondering why there would be a difference with protocol, but I guess a difference between https and http is http can be transparently proxied by the isp. lowering ubuntu mtu will probably work around the problem. are you running ppp on linux or on the router? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Michael Chesterton che...@chesterton.id.au wrote: On 14/06/2010, at 6:35 PM, Craig Warner wrote: An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using evolution. When using Fedora 13, there no problems connecting to https sites and using email. Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get Destination unreachable (fragmentation needed) when access https or sending a message with evolution. Do you get that with both fedora and ubuntu. The only thing i can think of is the icmp message is being blocked. Do you have any iptables rules, filter and/or nat? -- http://chesterton.id.au/blog/ http://barrang.com.au/linux/ -- Craig Warner PO Box A1351 Sydney South 1235 mobile: 0421 739 747 -- http://chesterton.id.au/blog/ http://barrang.com.au/linux/ -- Craig Warner PO Box A1351 Sydney South 1235 mobile: 0421 739 747 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4
Josh Smith wrote: It was released this morning. First to update or install, please report results :) I've been running the beta of mythbuntu 10.04 on my tv for a few weeks, it seems ok. Only issue I had is it seems to be missing tty1-6, they seem not to be getting started. clean install. But then that was a beta. boot speed seems nice and fast. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4
It was released this morning. First to update or install, please report results :) -- Joshua Smith -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 21:37 +1100, Ashley Maher wrote: However /etc/resolv.conf was empty. (As has been noted by some users I found using google) So I statically entered some dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf from the telstra list. Pinging the ip number of the server works fine. Pinging the web address fails. The 3G infrastructure and the BigPond infrastructure are not the same. In any case, it's an Ubuntu bug. Disconnect from the 3G service. Edit /etc/resolv.conf to add server 10.11.12.13 (or any IPv4 address) and then reconnect to the 3G service. For some reason Notwork Mangler doesn't like editing an empty /etc/resolv.conf -- Glen Turner www.gdt.id.au/~gdt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On 28/03/10 14:23, Martin Visser wrote: For instance, Internode provide unmetered content to their customers, one of which is the ABC iView service. However at least in some part, probably because of the use of content-delivery networks, Internode ask to make you use their DNS. iView uses the following config file for redirecting you to a special unmetered video source: http://www2b.abc.net.au/iView/Services/iViewHandshaker.asmx/isp The server it is on, www2b.abc.net.au, resolves to the same IP address from home, as well as from Fremont, CA. So in that particular example, it's IP-based, not DNS-based, thank goodness. www2b.abc.net.au appears to be the ABC's Windows box from what I've seen from the outside. It's the box that runs their tacky message board, as well as serving out various stuff from hidden URLs, usually that are quite hard to get to. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 04:32:48PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: Oh, cool. Someone talked DJB into relicensing dnscache so that it can be distributed patched, rather than requiring the original. That must make life better for folks like you who want to use it. DJB made it Public Domain AFAIK, so I made a git repo from it and added some of the published patches as well as my own work. Way back when a 256/64 kbit ADSL connection was fast and expensive, a couple of places I supported used software that incorporated dnscache, and had the ability to use DNS RBLs for inbound email. So, it turns out that dnscache had a fixed ten second timeout for a response from the upstream DNS server. If it receives a reply outside that window it will reject the reply; it also resends queries if they time out. Yes, that's really nasty, but that's the exact problem I fixed recently (i.e. about 6 months ago). The fix is that although dnscache is resending, it should still accept late replies from the original requests it sent. Apparently, though, if you manage to list enough RBLs you can get in a situation where dnscache is sending requests, which all time out because the link RTT is more than ten seconds ??? just from the load of sending retransmitted queries. Performance starts to degrade as soon as the average request latency exceeds 1 second. See http://www.nick-andrew.net/ actually it is my most recent news item (I don't update it all that often). Anyway, these days that is unlikely to be a problem: either the code will be patched to play nice, or the increase in bandwidth makes the odds of breaking pretty slim. Negative unfortunately; I discovered this problem on a modern day Mobile Broadband link ... three.com.au, to name the guilty party. Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
I am trying to set up a Telstra Prepaid wireless usb modum to Ubuntu 9.10. The initial set up went very well. However /etc/resolv.conf was empty. (As has been noted by some users I found using google) So I statically entered some dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf from the telstra list. Pinging the ip number of the server works fine. Pinging the web address fails. So I entered the Bigpond dns servers for NSW, Queensland and Victoria into network manager. This creates a nice shiny /etc/resolv.conf that looks correct when ever the connection is made into the telstra network. Still, ping works for ip numbers, fails for urls. Yet if I enter a url - ip number pare into /etc/hosts all is good. Remove the entry from /etc/hosts fail again. Anybody with any ideas? Thanks in advance. Regards, Ashley signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Ashley, Response, inline below Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Ashley Maher ashley.ma...@didymodesigns.com.au wrote: I am trying to set up a Telstra Prepaid wireless usb modum to Ubuntu 9.10. The initial set up went very well. However /etc/resolv.conf was empty. (As has been noted by some users I found using google) So I statically entered some dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf from the telstra list. Pinging the ip number of the server works fine. Pinging the web address fails What do you mean by pinging a web address, the name of the server? If you can ping a DNS server by it's IP address, but not by it's fully-qualified domain name (FQDN), then you can stop right there as your DNS configuration/connection is not working. (Being able to reach a site using PING only really tests that you can reach it with the ICMP protocol over IP. It doesn't test anything more about reachability to a particular host, the initial DNS lookup done by ping if needed is really just a side effect). To test DNS, once you think you have resolv.conf correct, use host FQDN. If this returns nothing, then DNS is broken. You can make it more verbose with host -v FQDN. You can also use host to force it use a particular DNS. For instance Google have magnanimously made available 8.8.8.8 as a freely available and easily remembered DNS. To test it you can do something like host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 to get the following result. $ host www.google.com 8.8.8.8 Using domain server: Name: 8.8.8.8 Address: 8.8.8.8#53 Aliases: www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.106 www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.147 www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.99 www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.103 www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.104 www.l.google.com has address 74.125.19.105 Of course you could test that you can directly reach the Telstra DNS (using DNS) by this method. If explicitly doing a DNS lookup against those servers does work with say host www.google.com 1.2.3.4 where 1.2.3.4 is the DNS server you are hoping to use, but plain host www.google.com doesn't then your DNS config is broken. . So I entered the Bigpond dns servers for NSW, Queensland and Victoria into network manager. This creates a nice shiny /etc/resolv.conf that looks correct when ever the connection is made into the telstra network. Still, ping works for ip numbers, fails for urls. ping only works for IP addresses or properly formed DNS names - never URLs. Yet if I enter a url - ip number pare into /etc/hosts all is good. Remove the entry from /etc/hosts fail again. Are you really putting a URL in /etc/hosts or do you mean a name? Anybody with any ideas? Thanks in advance. Regards, Ashley -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Ashley Maher wrote: I am trying to set up a Telstra Prepaid wireless usb modum to Ubuntu 9.10. The initial set up went very well. However /etc/resolv.conf was empty. (As has been noted by some users I found using google) So I statically entered some dns servers into /etc/resolv.conf from the telstra list. Pinging the ip number of the server works fine. Pinging the web address fails. So I entered the Bigpond dns servers for NSW, Queensland and Victoria into network manager. This creates a nice shiny /etc/resolv.conf that looks correct when ever the connection is made into the telstra network. Still, ping works for ip numbers, fails for urls. Yet if I enter a url - ip number pare into /etc/hosts all is good. Remove the entry from /etc/hosts fail again. Anybody with any ideas? Thanks in advance. Regards, Ashley Just a thought but I put my DNS addresses in the prepend statement in dhcp.conf and all works fine. I use a BLiNK usb modem on Ubuntu 9.10 when I'm using my laptop, not telstra but the systems should be similar. Regards Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Thanks Martin, host damn That is what I was looking for. It has been years since I have needed that. I am used to putting in the IP of a dns server into resolv.conf and all good. It was very frustrating to find that most of the listed tesltra dns servers failed. host allowed me to check what servers are working quickly. Thanks. All good now. Brain Fade. Regards, Ashley Martin Visser wrote: Ashley, Response, inline below Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com mailto:martinvisse...@gmail.com snip signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Ashley Maher ashley.ma...@didymodesigns.com.au writes: I am used to putting in the IP of a dns server into resolv.conf and all good. It was very frustrating to find that most of the listed tesltra dns servers failed. host allowed me to check what servers are working quickly. FWIW, I got very sick of this years and years ago, so I took to installing the distribution packaged version of bind on my machine and configuring the system to use localhost for name resolution. That gives a pretty solid resolver that just works(tm) anywhere, and while there is a tiny increase in first-access latency to sites I can't say it has any significant practical drawbacks. Daniel -- ✣ Daniel Pittman✉ dan...@rimspace.net☎ +61 401 155 707 ♽ made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On 28/03/2010, at 11:23 AM, Daniel Pittman wrote: Ashley Maher ashley.ma...@didymodesigns.com.au writes: I am used to putting in the IP of a dns server into resolv.conf and all good. It was very frustrating to find that most of the listed tesltra dns servers failed. host allowed me to check what servers are working quickly. FWIW, I got very sick of this years and years ago, so I took to installing the distribution packaged version of bind on my machine and configuring the system to use localhost for name resolution. That gives a pretty solid resolver that just works(tm) anywhere, and while there is a tiny increase in first-access latency to sites I can't say it has any significant practical drawbacks. Unless Senator Conroy gets his way, then we will all be forced to use the ISP's DNS servers, or fall-back to using some sort of VPN/tunnelling to get out of Oz. Yay! :-( Cheers, James smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:23:35AM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: FWIW, I got very sick of this years and years ago, so I took to installing the distribution packaged version of bind on my machine and configuring the system to use localhost for name resolution. dnscache works well for that too. See http://cr.yp.to/ or http://tinydns.org/ or http://github.com/nickandrew/djbdns That gives a pretty solid resolver that just works(tm) anywhere, and while there is a tiny increase in first-access latency to sites I can't say it has any significant practical drawbacks. Indeed. Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Also be aware that there some ISPs tend to a few things with DNS 1. Some do block access to their DNS from outside of their network. I think this is mainly because they don't want to provide a service to the wider Internet that potentially means their own customers get impacted by DNS DOS attacks or simply heavy load. Certainly Telstra did do this as their DNS became well-known in Australia. I recently implemented a fairly large enterprise and Internet facing DNS environment for a telecommunications customer recently and the legacy environment was being impacted quite heavily by non-customer load. So while you may have some Telstra DNS server addresses, they may be being blocked from their mobile/3G network to minimise unplanned load. 2. DNS can be used to help direct the subsequent application traffic to particular managed servers. For instance, Internode provide unmetered content to their customers, one of which is the ABC iView service. However at least in some part, probably because of the use of content-delivery networks, Internode ask to make you use their DNS. I presume if you don't their is a risk that your ABC iVIew traffic gets directed to servers other than those Internode can provide unmetered traffic for, and hence you think your iView is unmetered but is in fact coming from outside servers. And as James Gray has said DNS can also be used as a poor-mans way of filtering traffic - by giving NXDOMAIN or other redirections when you try to resolve the name of an undesired service. (And of course hijacking legitimate DNS services, through cache poisoning and the like, is one way the bad guys can you fool you to visit them instead of your regular programmed service). Most Interrnet service providers do list what their recommended DNS is for their service. Usually you can implement your own or choose your own DNS service, but you need to be aware a little of what you are doing. Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Ashley Maher ashley.ma...@didymodesigns.com.au wrote: Thanks Martin, host damn That is what I was looking for. It has been years since I have needed that. I am used to putting in the IP of a dns server into resolv.conf and all good. It was very frustrating to find that most of the listed tesltra dns servers failed. host allowed me to check what servers are working quickly. Thanks. All good now. Brain Fade. Regards, Ashley Martin Visser wrote: Ashley, Response, inline below Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com mailto:martinvisse...@gmail.com snip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
On 27/03/10 21:37, Ashley Maher wrote: So I entered the Bigpond dns servers for NSW, Queensland and Victoria into network manager. This creates a nice shiny /etc/resolv.conf that looks correct when ever the connection is made into the telstra network. I use '8.8.8.8' as my DNS resolver in network-manager for my Next-G connection, and it appears to work fine. The reason why I set a manual one at all is because actually getting the autoconfigured DNS addresses is flaky. Either Telstra doesn't bother to serve me the DNS servers half the time, or something isn't picking them up correctly. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Nick Andrew n...@nick-andrew.net writes: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:23:35AM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: FWIW, I got very sick of this years and years ago, so I took to installing the distribution packaged version of bind on my machine and configuring the system to use localhost for name resolution. dnscache works well for that too. See http://cr.yp.to/ or http://tinydns.org/ or http://github.com/nickandrew/djbdns Oh, cool. Someone talked DJB into relicensing dnscache so that it can be distributed patched, rather than requiring the original. That must make life better for folks like you who want to use it. Anyway, I have a bit of an aversion to the software: aside from the (formerly) awful license conditions, I had a couple of clients who ended up with really nasty problems from dnscache. (Executive summary: probably not a problem any more. ;) Way back when a 256/64 kbit ADSL connection was fast and expensive, a couple of places I supported used software that incorporated dnscache, and had the ability to use DNS RBLs for inbound email. So, it turns out that dnscache had a fixed ten second timeout for a response from the upstream DNS server. If it receives a reply outside that window it will reject the reply; it also resends queries if they time out. Apparently, though, if you manage to list enough RBLs you can get in a situation where dnscache is sending requests, which all time out because the link RTT is more than ten seconds — just from the load of sending retransmitted queries. Which meant that two or three emails inbound at once could result in a situation where their network link got saturated, and stayed that way until dnscache gave up on all the queries. Gosh, was that fun. Anyway, these days that is unlikely to be a problem: either the code will be patched to play nice, or the increase in bandwidth makes the odds of breaking pretty slim. Daniel -- ✣ Daniel Pittman✉ dan...@rimspace.net☎ +61 401 155 707 ♽ made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ubuntu network manager dns
Martin Visser martinvisse...@gmail.com writes: Also be aware that there some ISPs tend to a few things with DNS 1. Some do block access to their DNS from outside of their network. You mean *recursive* DNS, not authoritative DNS, right? [...] 2. DNS can be used to help direct the subsequent application traffic to particular managed servers. For instance, Internode provide unmetered content to their customers, one of which is the ABC iView service. However at least in some part, probably because of the use of content-delivery networks, Internode ask to make you use their DNS. Really? That bites. Most CDN networks have arrangements so that this works regardless of which DNS server you use. Can you point to an official document stating that? I checked, and I found some unofficial comments on Whirlpool, but nothing I consider authoritative from Internode. :( Daniel -- ✣ Daniel Pittman✉ dan...@rimspace.net☎ +61 401 155 707 ♽ made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS
2009/11/3 Steven Tucker tux...@yahoo.com.au: Hi all, I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a server). Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition. My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or Debian. I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended (or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference). I don't experience with Ubuntu Server LTS so will try to avoid a flame war by commenting on it. I'll try to help you focus on what I believe to be the question which should matter to you the most - which distribution and version will help you spend the least amount of time on active support and you expect things to just work for you? This is a relatively personal question - it depends a lot on your personal experience and in which distro you feel most comfortable that you can tuckle anything in the quickest way. If you want to install Distro X at a remote client site, I think you better gain some time of hands-on experience with it, its community, nomenclature, terminology, time lines and record in supporting the version you are going to install. Remember that unless the customers are Linux system admins themselves (even most professional programmer do not count), they wouldn't care less if the filesystem is ext4 or Reiser5, or that the system can boot a minute faster or has glibc 2.10-1. All they care is that the server will be there and be up every time they try to use it. For your own sanity, you should care about things like stability and security updates - again in the name of spending the least amount of time keeping it up to date and resistant to security attacks. Hope this helps, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS
Hi all, I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a server). Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition. My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or Debian. I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended (or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference). Thanks Tuxta __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS
I'm using Ubuntu Hardy on servers (one mail, one web/database/dns of mine, plus one fileserver run by my son-in-law) and we have not found the need to upgrade. I'm waiting for the next LTS. I don't think this is viable on desktop but on server I think it's more than desirable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. A little bird told me that the latest Ubuntu does ext4 by default (is this so? should you care?) so that may be a factor for you. Changing filesystems is probably something you would rather avoid. Ironically, I started using Ubuntu because I like the Debian paradigm but didn't want to wait so long for upgrades! Except for the PulseAudio debacle (see previous thread) I have had no real reason to dislike Ubuntu. Naturally PulseAudio doesn't relate to servers. OTOH, I haven't used Redhat since V.7 so maybe it's much better than Debian now.. who knows? It strikes me that Distros are like modern cars.. they all work pretty well and they are all pretty reliable, but that's just an impression I have. Steven Tucker wrote: Hi all, I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a server). Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition. My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or Debian. I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended (or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference). Thanks Tuxta __ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:40 +1100, david wrote: A little bird told me that the latest Ubuntu does ext4 by default (is this so? should you care?) so that may be a factor for you. Changing filesystems is probably something you would rather avoid. An upgrade from Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (ext3) to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will in all likelihood continue to use the existing filesystems as ext3, and not 'upgrade' them to ext4. There are two upgrade paths to 10.04 LTS: from 8.04, and from 9.10. If it were me, I'd deploy with 9.10, and upgrade from there when 10.04 comes out. Why? I don't have a scientific reason for it, but a step from 9.10 to 10.04 will be more 'incremental' than from 8.04 to 10.04. Take ext4 for example. 9.10 uses ext4 by default, so there will be no worries there. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS
Steven Tucker wrote: Hi all, I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a server). Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition. My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or Debian. I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended (or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference). Thanks Tuxta yeah go 9.10, it seems pretty spiffy from a desktop POV. I have found ubuntu server upgrades to be much nicer than the average desktop upgrade, I spose there is less stuff on a server and hence less to go wrong. I wouldn't be too worried about tracking the current release on a server, give it a month or two after release to make sure any kinks are worked out and go for it ;- But then I have only updated as needed for hardware support and feature additions, like somebody said if it ain't broke. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
