[SLUG] Ubuntu

[john gibbons]

Does anyone know when the free Ubuntu CDs that were written about some 
weeks back will be sent out?

John.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu

[john gibbons]

Three cheers for the people who put this together. A truly generous 
bunch. I admire them enormously.

However, it is well named Warthog. It is a swine for a beginner who is 
trying to connect to the internet via cable modem as I am. Live CD no 
problem, it worked easily.  But, full install: frustration trying to get 
it alongside XP but after sacrificing XP and giving it the full disk, OK 
until a screaming halt trying to get Firefox up and running. We 
beginners are not full bottle on terminology and stuff. I know experts 
think they know this about us, but they really do not, they have 
forgotten how far down the bottom of the pecking order really is. Even 
the 'help' is not as helpful as beginners need. Try getting some 
beginners to advise if the 'help' really has been of help. Then rewrite 
it. A challenging opportunity exists for programmers to be able to 
communicate with ordinary folk who are supposed to be able to run a 
desktop. How does one invent an intuitional way to do things? This is 
not an invitation to go intellectual slumming but a suggestion that it 
is the only way to fulfill the dream of making Linux truly competitive 
with Windows for ordinary folk. A true reality bite. The intellectual 
giants will still be able to do their own esoteric stuff but they will 
also be able to think of how much they have benefitted the struggling mob.

Glad I got that off my chest.
Anyway, good on you Ubutu. Your heart and your principles are in the 
right place. I will persist and will be happy to be your friend and tell 
people about you and hand out the CDs you so kindly provided.

John.
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[SLUG] ubuntu

[jam]

Hi
based on many favourable comments about ubuntu I decided to try it, ummm quite 
painfull:

I downloaded 6.06 server and installed.
apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
repeat to recover missing, this time all works: X + gnome etc
apt-get (can't remember name) install development-package
apt-get qt3*, discard, app-get the relevant qt3 stuff, by cut and paste
apt-get install subversion
apt-get install lame*, discard, apt-get the lame libs
svn co mythtv modules
make
fails needing Xv libs (no lXv)

OK clearly this is painfull:

How do you get a list of packages and meta-packages that you can apt-get?

How do you find out WHAT is in a package. EG I got various lame bits before I 
got the development libraries needed to build mythtv? (rpm -ql)

How do I find (in rpm speak) whatprovides -lXv ?

All of the apt-get info that I found, I googled for, or apt-get a wildcard, 
then decline the update, but scan the output for hints on names. Surely 
there's a better way.

James

Oh by the way, I'm trying to build mythtv from svn.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu

[Gerald]

Hello to all Ubuntu users,
What is the ubtuntu root,Administrators password?
How would you set one up when required. I am very new to this distr.
Many thanks,
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[SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Peter Miller]

Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it
consistently gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it
would be nice to have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.

Can anyone shed any light on how /usr/sbin/NetworkManager comes to its
conclusions?  Or how to configure NetworkManager to come to the *right*
conclusions?

"strings /usr/sbin/NetworkManager" was interesting, but not sufficient.
I suppose I could use the source, luke, but a mud map would help, before
I go wandering off in unknown territory.

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[SLUG] ubuntu server

[jam]

Hi
The only way that I've been able to install ubuntu on my pentium-m laptop is 
this bizare sequence:

1) Install server on laptop
   After install boot fails with a register dump
2) install server on a desktop machine
3) apt-get the generic image (not the server!)
4) boot the lappie on knoppix.
   copy the generic kernel, initrd, modules from desktop
5) boot the lappie, install ubuntu-desktop

OK nearly all good

apt-get the latest generic kernel fails (mkinitramfs tools dependencies)

The real problem is that despite wearing all desktop clothes the lappie 
'knows' it's a server.
How, where do I change the personality from server to desktop?

BTW the problem is common to 6.06, 6.10 and feisty-beta
In every case live CD boots, displays a screen about gnome-error (message, 
network ?) and there is a pretty desktop, mouse-that-moves and is 
unresponsive to anything else eg install (icon highlights, click does pretty 
much nothing.

This lappy installs SuSE 10.2 without any fuss, and as a server seems to run 
perfectly (with the hand-crafted generic kernel, the server kernel gives a 
register dump)

James
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[SLUG] Ubuntu Certification

[ge]

Hi,

We will be holding  an LPI Exam Lab at Granville TAFE on Monday
the 18th of June 2007.

I anyone wishes to sit for any LPI certification exams please
email me at ge(at)ffrey.com.  Limited number of places.

This will be the first LPIC 199 Ubuntu certification held in Australia.

We also have a few spare places for LPIC 101, 102, 201 and 202 exams.

cheese.
Geoffrey
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[SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Kevin Waterson]

anybody know anything about this distro?

http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/

Kevin

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[SLUG] Ubuntu Linux

[Kevin Davies]

Title: Ubuntu Linux






Gday,


I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. Always interested in something new I have since installed it about three times and its pretty nice. It’s a single CD package. Aimed squarly at the desktop user it asks about 3 questions for a complete install. Autoconfiguring X Windows, using latest Gnome and all the major apps, OpenOffice, Firefox, Evolution etc. 

The interesting part is its pedigree. The supporting company is called Canonical software. One of whos founders paid for a space flight. They have 40 developers, up from 3 in March. A number of well known debian developers have been retained. There is a large userbase, growing faster than I can count. The ubuntu-users mailing list is sending me 10 digests on average in one day. And they will ship you CD's of each release for free, anywhre in the world. In fact they encourage you to order more than one CD to give to your friends. 

Strange but all true. Take a look for yourself.


Regards


Kevin Davies



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[SLUG] ubuntu review

[Ken Foskey]

With all the positive press about ubuntu I thought I would add some
constructive negative press about the installer.

I downloaded the CD from the web and installed on laptop.  First problem
is that it appears that you cannot keep windows and resize partitions
like some.  I got partition magic from work and partitioned  with ntfs,
fat32 (cross over), ext3, swap, ext3.

I boot up.  I am confused by the partition options (does it really just
consume all 40 gig as a big partition if I select wipe everything?).
Fiddle selecting custom setup.

Ok after trying to figure it out, if you define your partitions before
ubunto install it will not let you overwrite them by default (good idea
but...) it was really confusing the 'not used' confused me and there was
no warning saying that it located ext3 partitions and it would not use
them.

Eventually figure out that I have to change partitions from do not use
to ext3 and it then works OK.

Onwards with the install.  Get to user setup.  I type in Ken Foskey,
user ken, password, and it clocks back to the beginning with something
flicking up on screen.  I am not sure whether it is prompting me because
of an error or whether it actually is asking me to create another user.
Either way not very friendly.

OK I give up trying to figure out how to create a user, I figure I must
have done that already.  Continue install, install goes nicely
installing everything after asking me to SELECT packages.  Funny it
never actually asked me to select anything just installed a base system.
-1 for misleading instructions.

It boots up fine. and now I find out I cannot log on, obviously it was
an error message from the user creation screen.  No password for root,
no userid, no good.

The installer needs some work before i would call it really easy to use.
Seems to be streamlined for a simple clean all setup.  Error messages
appear to be a bit weak when things go wrong.

I will bring it along tonight and hopefully someone can crack the userid
problem.

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[SLUG] Ubuntu Live

[Martin]

hi all

i could probably find an ubuntu specific mailing list to send this to but i
know jdub et al will see it here and it may interest the rest of you.

i just tried out the ubuntu live cd on a couple of laptops and i'm very
impressed with the distro. very slick desktop layout, all the major apps.
only niggly detail i found was maximising a window hides the bottom of it
behind the task-switcher.

on a compaq armada 7400 it auto-detected everything, down to the X config.

it wasn't so good on a compaq presario 1400 where it had a problem detecting
or configuring for the video chipset and X was like a photo negative colour
wise, extremely dim (not fixed by adjusting screen brightness) and text was
illegible due to pixellation. unfortunately i can't test this with the
install CD as it isn't my laptop to mess with.

i'm definately thinking of switching my debian desktop from unstable across
to ubuntu. not sure about braving a dist-upgrade method so i'll probably
spring for a new hard disk and start with a fresh install.

cheers
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Michael Fox]

Good question. I applied on the site and have yet to see any cd's and
this is some months after I did it.

Get a friend to download them for you, or wait out for the next slug
install fest and I will bring my machine with a collection of isos
that people are welcome to ftp off.


On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:15:36 +1100, john gibbons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know when the free Ubuntu CDs that were written about some
> weeks back will be sent out?
> 
> John.
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Christopher Booth]

Me too, still haven't seen them.
Chris
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Good question. I applied on the site and have yet to see any cd's and
this is some months after I did it.
Get a friend to download them for you, or wait out for the next slug
install fest and I will bring my machine with a collection of isos
that people are welcome to ftp off.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:15:36 +1100, john gibbons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone know when the free Ubuntu CDs that were written about some
weeks back will be sent out?
John.
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Jeff Waugh]

> Does anyone know when the free Ubuntu CDs that were written about some
> weeks back will be sent out?

Should be this month - mine are being delivered today, and I should have
heaps at the SLUG meeting on Friday.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Jeff Waugh]

> Good question. I applied on the site and have yet to see any cd's and this
> is some months after I did it.

Note that the final release was on October 20th, and we're sending hundreds
of thousands of CDs all over the world. :-)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Brad Kowalczyk]

As far as I know they began the mailout process a couple of weeks ago, 
dunno where they are being mailed from though. I don't have mine yet 
either...

Christopher Booth wrote:
Me too, still haven't seen them.
Chris
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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

Good question. I applied on the site and have yet to see any cd's and
this is some months after I did it.
Get a friend to download them for you, or wait out for the next slug
install fest and I will bring my machine with a collection of isos
that people are welcome to ftp off.
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:15:36 +1100, john gibbons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone know when the free Ubuntu CDs that were written about some
weeks back will be sent out?
John.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu - Wollongong

[James Gray]

Hi All,

If anyone in the 'Gong is after the latest Ubuntu CD (Hoary, Ubuntu 5.04) 
for i386, I've just finished D/L'ing the ISO and burned a copy or 3 for 
some friends.  Contact me off-list if you want to swing past my place with 
a blank CDR and sample some home-brew.

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Christopher Booth]

I finaly got my Ubuntu CDs in the mail today, yeah!!
I will test the live CD and let all know my thoughts
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Jeff Waugh]

> However, it is well named Warthog.

We kinda thought the first release would be "warty", so we said so. ;-) But
it turned out better than we thought it would be... But yes, plenty of room
for improvement, and connectivity and documentation are two areas we know
that need quite a bit of work.

Thanks for your comments.

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[SLUG] ubuntu samab

[ashley maher]

I've installed a new ubuntu samba server. The server replaces a samba
server that has worked well for years.

I used the config file (slightly moded) from the old server to the new.

Windows 98 machines logon fine.

Windows XP Pro clients had problems with the machine accounts. So I
deleted a machine account to try and rejoin to find if this fixes the
problem and "not authorised". I then remembered Ubuntu locks the root
pwd. I've always used teh samba docs and used root-samba-root-user-pwd
to join machine accounts. Clearly Ubuntu does something in the config to
get around this. THe web site didn'g get me far.

Urls' or assistance appreciated. (The more "for dummies" the better)

Regards,

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[SLUG] ubuntu + packages

[Yosep Widjaja Kasim]

Hi all

I am trying to use ubuntu now since there is much nice review about them :)

I am just wondering about latest ubuntu that ship with 14 CDs like debian

where can i download them?

many thanks in advance
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[SLUG] ubuntu/debian

[jam]

Hi
in quest of enlightment, I've put aside my biases, installed ubuntu, as 
recommended for noobies,  sorry :

After spending the morning fighting the tools:

I downloaded skype:

dpkg: error processing Desktop/skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb (--install):
 package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 Desktop/skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb

resolvable?

I tried to get xine to play a wmv file. I enabled every repositry and every 
option. I get (sic):

The stream ShazBaz.wmv use an unsupported codec:
Video Codec: Windows Media Video 9(WMV3)
Start Playing anyway ?

Easy with SuSE: install the w32codec-all-20050412-0.pm.0.i586.rpm
All is fine.

Also, my SuSE amd64 has 32 libs, so it can run 32 apps. Skype don't give any 
other options.

If you go to packman and search for mpg123 he gives mpg321.rpm.
This was my hint to get mpg123. The symantic tools do not give any hint.

If anybody can point me in the right direction, much appreciated.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi
> based on many favourable comments about ubuntu I decided to try it, ummm 
> quite 
> painfull:
> 
> I downloaded 6.06 server and installed.
> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Why download server and the convert it to a desktop?

> How do you get a list of packages and meta-packages that you can apt-get?

apt-cache search .

> How do you find out WHAT is in a package. EG I got various lame bits before I 
> got the development libraries needed to build mythtv? (rpm -ql)

Assuming the package is already installed:

dpkg -L package

YOu can map a file name to the package it came from using:

dpkg -S /full/path/filename

> How do I find (in rpm speak) whatprovides -lXv ?

There might be a better way, but I use this:

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu

[charles]

On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 23:53 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > based on many favourable comments about ubuntu I decided to try it, ummm 
> > quite 
> > painfull:
> > 
> > I downloaded 6.06 server and installed.
> > apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
> 
> Why download server and the convert it to a desktop?
> 
> > How do you get a list of packages and meta-packages that you can apt-get?
> 
> apt-cache search .
> 
> > How do you find out WHAT is in a package. EG I got various lame bits before 
> > I 
> > got the development libraries needed to build mythtv? (rpm -ql)
> 
> Assuming the package is already installed:
> 
> dpkg -L package
> 
> YOu can map a file name to the package it came from using:
> 
> dpkg -S /full/path/filename
> 
> > How do I find (in rpm speak) whatprovides -lXv ?
> 
> There might be a better way, but I use this:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages
> 
> Erik
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Or you could use aptitude ?




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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu

[tuxta2]

On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 21:45 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi
> based on many favourable comments about ubuntu I decided to try it, ummm 
> quite 
> painfull:
 Out of interest, what does your sources.list look like? apt-get is such
a great tool, 99% of the time if things dont work its just a case of
adding a repo. Did you enable universe? multiverse? backports etc ??
 
Ubuntu + apt-get is by far the least painful package management ever!!

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu

[Craige McWhirter]

On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 21:45 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I downloaded 6.06 server and installed.
> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Here's your first mistake. You've installed the server version and then
tried to turn it into the desktop version. If you're after a desktop
environment you've gone about it in reverse.

My advice, download the the desktop version and try again. You'll find a
significantly different experience. Then have a play with "Add/Remove"
and if you're more sysadmin orientated, Synaptic.

If you want to do CLI stuff, there's a whole range of apt-* commands
that require a little man page reading for those new to them but you'll
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Michael Fox]

Logon as your normal user, and then issue sudo su -

When prompted for password, issue the same password you used to logon
as your normal user. When complete you will be root user.

Ubuntu doesn't allow you to logon as a root user by default, and
forces you to use sudo to get root access

Any user in admin group can use sudo to obtain root access or run
commands as root.

Thanks

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Hello to all Ubuntu users,
What is the ubtuntu root,Administrators password?
How would you set one up when required. I am very new to this distr.
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Martin Pool]

On 16/06/2006, at 2:41 PM, Michael Fox wrote:


Logon as your normal user, and then issue sudo su -

When prompted for password, issue the same password you used to logon
as your normal user. When complete you will be root user.


Or more simply, just

 sudo -i

better yet, run the particular tasks you need as root (sudo vi /etc/ 
hosts) rather than using a root shell; there's a bit less danger of  
footshooting.



Ubuntu doesn't allow you to logon as a root user by default, and
forces you to use sudo to get root access


For low values of "forces": "sudo passwd root" will create a root  
password and you can then proceed as usual.  But give sudo a try; you  
may grow to like it.


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Michael Fox]

On 6/16/06, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  sudo -i



And of course man sudo
Read until your hearts content with man pages..

sudo I must admit is good...
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Martin Pool]

On 16/06/2006, at 4:07 PM, Gerald wrote:


Or more simply, just

  sudo -i

These i have tried, BUT, the response i get is :-
sudo: timestame too far in the future: Jun 17 00:06:46 2006
My clock says 16:06 Fri 2006-06-16.


You typically get this warning if you run sudo, change the machine's  
clock, then run sudo again.  This can happen if it was originally  
wrong and you use sudo to set it, etc.  I think this is just a  
warning and you should get a chance to enter a password, no?  If not,  
sudo -K should get it unstuck.


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Michael Fox]

On 6/16/06, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You typically get this warning if you run sudo, change the machine's
clock, then run sudo again.  This can happen if it was originally
wrong and you use sudo to set it, etc.  I think this is just a
warning and you should get a chance to enter a password, no?  If not,
sudo -K should get it unstuck.


Yeah thats certainly true. Remember installing my machine and it
thinking the time was 24 hour early. So I set it and sure enough got
similar errors cause instantly it had jumped 24 hours ahead of what it
was when the box was booted up.

Oh well..
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu

[Sonia Hamilton]

* On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 02:39:39PM +1000, Gerald wrote:
> Hello to all Ubuntu users,
> What is the ubtuntu root,Administrators password?
> How would you set one up when required. I am very new to this distr.

See this page http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu for all those types of
questions (and answers).

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[SLUG] ubuntu routing

[jam]

Hi
I cant find anything that does the equivalent of
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
on my newly installed ubuntu box. Before I invent a way, does anybody know if 
I'm missing something.
Thanks
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[SLUG] Ubuntu startup

[Alan L Tyree]

What is the recommended way to stop a particular service from starting
at boot in Ubuntu?

In particular, the pcmcia services are not needed on my desktop.

Thanks,
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[SLUG] ubuntu desktop

[jam]

As usual I am being a PIA, sorry.
My desktop all running.
I want evolution to do 2 things (users doit with kmail, want the same if they 
are going to use evolution)

1) A toolbar icon
   for spam:
icon
   spam is bounced to notifyspam@
   spam is bounced to learner
 gets learned for spamassassin
   spam is removed from inbox

I cannot achieve with evolution. Me being silly?

2) Get mail with a wmv attachment
   xine DOES play wmv's
   No  open with xine, remember this association (kmail)

   totem dies with 'can't do this'
   save as works as with xine

   gconf-editor seems to have no association bits

How to make evolution have associations (and wmv == xine)

Thanks
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[SLUG] Ubuntu raid

[John]

Hi List,I'm trying to setup raid on an mda. Ubuntu install finds my fc card and presents all 14 sds which I can partition in any way I like but it doesn't seem to give me the choice of picking a partition type. When I come to use the raid setup there are no partitions available with the correct type.
Any help or direction would be appreciated.TIAJohn
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[SLUG] Ubuntu 10.4

[Josh Smith]

It was released this morning. First to update or install, please  
report results :)


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[SLUG] ubuntu 10.04

[Craig Warner]

An interesting problem I'm having with Ubuntu 10.04 in accessing
certain websites such as https sites and sending emails using
evolution. When using  Fedora 13,  there no problems connecting to
https sites and using email.

Looking at the problem, with wireshark monitoring, I get "Destination
unreachable (fragmentation needed)" when access https or sending a
message with evolution.

The ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 13 workstations connect thru a Netcomm
N3G002W 3G router.

Tried #tracerouter --mtu gmail,com on both workstations.


Ubuntu 10.04 failed with same problem, before using launchpad, what
other information should be gathered?




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[SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10

[Heracles]

Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems 
glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I 
have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a 
desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D.


I guess it's time to move to try another distro.

Heracles

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[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04

[David Lyon]

 -
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/251210/seven_new_features_in_ubuntu_1204_precise_pangolin_beta_1.html

(I just downloaded their alpha. It's user interface is really schmick. Sadly
it just wouldn't install to my machine properly). But what I did see was
very, very nice.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu instalation

[Johannes Nielsen]

Hi all
I had a HDD failure which wiped out my Ubutnu install and I have put a new
HDD in and installed Ubuntu and what comes up when I boot from the HDD is a
blank screen and the cursor.

Someone was kind enough the support me in getting Ubuntu running the last
time and I would really appreciate if someone could guide me through the
process now.

Yours in Wellness
Johannes Nielsen CEO
BAMedia
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On 30 March 2012 20:43, Jim Donovan  wrote:

> >From the Westpac site this evening:
>
> >
> >Online Banking will be unavailable from 02:50 am Sydney time for 1 hour
> 25 minutes on Sunday 1 April 2012 due to scheduled maintenance.
> >
>
> Meanwhile, NAB says:
>
> >
> >Due to scheduled maintenance Internet Banking will be unavailable on
> Sunday 1 April from 1AM-5AM AEDT.
> >
>
> We discussed this before. Looks like banks still haven't worked out how to
> handle changing timezones. And NAB doesn't understand that there simply
> won't be 5AM AEDT on 1 April.
>
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[SLUG] Ubuntu 12.04

[Heracles]

Have a strange problem with this install.

On my laptop (Core i3 X86_64) the update to 12.04 went OK (had to run
the -f to fix and finish the install but OK)
All works as expected.

On my desktop (AMD II x4 with amd64) all seemed to run perfectly and
every thing works EXCEPT although I can easily connect and talk to my
router over wifi I cannot surf the net.

I think it may be a DNS problem but on checking the configuration I find
that nothing has changed.

What is even more curious is that if I boot the previous version of
Linux with the kernel (3.0.0.17) all is back.

Note: When I upgraded I kept my config file for the network.

I tried plugging in the OpenDNS servers at (208.67.222.222 etc) but no
improvement.

Any clues?

Heracles
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[SLUG] Ubuntu opera repository

[Nick Croft]

Wondering if anyone has any idea why Opera for Ubuntu (ppc) can't be found
on any of the sites that everyone recommends.

deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main

or

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera etch non-free

I keep getting the 404 not found. I've got mostly dapper on this 
little powerbook.

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Jeff Waugh]

> Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
> useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
> useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
> it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it consistently
> gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it would be nice to
> have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.
> 
> Can anyone shed any light on how /usr/sbin/NetworkManager comes to its
> conclusions?  Or how to configure NetworkManager to come to the *right*
> conclusions?
> 
> "strings /usr/sbin/NetworkManager" was interesting, but not sufficient.  I
> suppose I could use the source, luke, but a mud map would help, before I
> go wandering off in unknown territory.

It's pretty early stage software, fighting a tough battle with no standards
on the kernel side and even less on the hardware side.

What kind of wifi hardware do you have?

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[tuxta2]

Peter Miller wrote:

Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it
consistently gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it
would be nice to have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.

Can anyone shed any light on how /usr/sbin/NetworkManager comes to its
conclusions?  Or how to configure NetworkManager to come to the *right*
conclusions?

"strings /usr/sbin/NetworkManager" was interesting, but not sufficient.
I suppose I could use the source, luke, but a mud map would help, before
I go wandering off in unknown territory
Well first up, Network Manager is fantastic, but . it does not 
work with all drivers.
I am yet to see it work when using ndiswrapper, if you are using 
ndiswrapper try using wifi-radar. If you are not using ndiswrapper, 
there is still a chance that Network Manager is not compatible with your 
driver (and hence why it is not in Ubuntu by default), though 90% of 
drivers work great.


First thing to check is that you have the card working, try doing a

iwlist scanning

and see if you get your network listed.

Thats about all I can say, because my driver works great.

Tuxta
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Peter Miller]

On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:40 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> It's pretty early stage software, fighting a tough battle with no standards
> on the kernel side and even less on the hardware side.
> 
> What kind of wifi hardware do you have?

Cough.  NetworkManager can't even see my *fixed* network, even though
the screen shots on the web site show that it should.

Wifi is a D-Link DWL-120+ usb doohicky, works like a charm.


(And why oh why does it have upper case characters in the command name?
though the /usr/lib/network-manager dir properly does not.  Next thing
you know people will start putting spaces and tabs and newlines in
command names.)

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Peter Miller wrote:

> Cough.  NetworkManager can't even see my *fixed* network, even though
> the screen shots on the web site show that it should.

I think network manager doesn't work well with static addresses.

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Sridhar Dhanapalan]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
> useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
> useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
> it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it
> consistently gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it
> would be nice to have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.

If you haven't already, you need to disable all of the network interfaces 
except for lo in /etc/network/interfaces.


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[John]

And I found that it wont work unless you have dhcp serving addresses.

But with no setup (see above) in /etc/network/interfaces, dhcp and the
correct driver it works a treat...now!

J

On 2/11/07, Sridhar Dhanapalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu NetworkManager: Wow!  I don't recall the last time I saw a more
> useless manual page, and the web site linked to the About box it just as
> useless.  Not a single mention of how it works, what it does, what files
> it consults.  The "Just Works" goal is laudable, but when it
> consistently gives the same wrong answer ("no networks available") it
> would be nice to have a teensy weensy *hint* on how to fix it.

If you haven't already, you need to disable all of the network interfaces
except for lo in /etc/network/interfaces.


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Glen Turner]

John wrote:
> And I found that it wont work unless you have dhcp serving addresses.
> 
> But with no setup (see above) in /etc/network/interfaces, dhcp and the
> correct driver it works a treat...now!

Yes but when it doesn't work there's too little information
from the application and too documentation of the application,
to tell what happened or why.

You also need to drink the Kool Aid to a certain extent. If
you don't fit into NetworkManager's rather narrow view of
networking then you're out of luck because NM won't play
nicely with other configuration tools.
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu NetworkManager

[Jeff Waugh]

> John wrote:
> > And I found that it wont work unless you have dhcp serving addresses.
> > 
> > But with no setup (see above) in /etc/network/interfaces, dhcp and the
> > correct driver it works a treat...now!
> 
> Yes but when it doesn't work there's too little information from the
> application and too documentation of the application, to tell what
> happened or why.
> 
> You also need to drink the Kool Aid to a certain extent. If you don't fit
> into NetworkManager's rather narrow view of networking then you're out of
> luck because NM won't play nicely with other configuration tools.

Yet.

- Jeff

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[SLUG] Ubuntu / Windows networking

[Rosemary MacPherson]

Hi all,

Second post requesting help

(See my post Firefox problem for an explanation of my total infancy in Linux)

I have several PCs running Win98 plus one running Win98 / Ubuntu as a dual-boot 
on a LAN.

I can see the Ubuntu PC on the Win 98 PCs but when I try to access I get a 
pop-up box asking for a password to  "resource  \\MAC2\IPC$"

My Ubuntu passwords do not work.

Any help would be appreciated.

Again, words of one syllable as I really am a novice at this  

Thanks 

Stewart MacPherson

 Mac from the Mountains
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu server

[Andrew Swinn]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi
The only way that I've been able to install ubuntu on my pentium-m laptop is 
this bizare sequence:


This lappy installs SuSE 10.2 without any fuss, and as a server seems to run 
perfectly (with the hand-crafted generic kernel, the server kernel gives a 
register dump)


Have you tried booting with some of the various 'cheat codes' at boot 
time. Some of the options can be found at the following page:


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions

I had an older system that I had to disable acpi on to get to boot.

There may be some other options that get around whatever peculiar issue 
is present.


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RE: [SLUG] ubuntu server

[Visser, Martin]

To convert a Ubuntu server to desktop, I am pretty sure the all you need
is to "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" which will add the virtual
package (and all its dependencies.

It sounds like your video chipset is causing you grief with the liveCD.
In cases like this, I always use the "alternate" CD which is basically a
desktop install cd using text-mode.


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Hi
The only way that I've been able to install ubuntu on my pentium-m
laptop is this bizare sequence:

1) Install server on laptop
   After install boot fails with a register dump
2) install server on a desktop machine
3) apt-get the generic image (not the server!)
4) boot the lappie on knoppix.
   copy the generic kernel, initrd, modules from desktop
5) boot the lappie, install ubuntu-desktop

OK nearly all good

apt-get the latest generic kernel fails (mkinitramfs tools dependencies)

The real problem is that despite wearing all desktop clothes the lappie
'knows' it's a server.
How, where do I change the personality from server to desktop?

BTW the problem is common to 6.06, 6.10 and feisty-beta In every case
live CD boots, displays a screen about gnome-error (message, network ?)
and there is a pretty desktop, mouse-that-moves and is unresponsive to
anything else eg install (icon highlights, click does pretty much
nothing.

This lappy installs SuSE 10.2 without any fuss, and as a server seems to
run perfectly (with the hand-crafted generic kernel, the server kernel
gives a register dump)

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[SLUG] Ubuntu AMD64 CD's

[Timothy White]

Hey all, a fellow LUGer from Perth, currently travelling for work. I
recently had my laptop stolen, and am purchasing a replacement
sometime today or tomorrow. I am wondering if there is anyone near
Wentworthville (I'm at the F1) who can get me a copy of the Ubuntu
Feisty AMD64 install disc?

Thanks a lot. Much appreciated. I can travel to pick it up, but as we
are also down a GPS, the closer to Wentworthville/Parramatta the
better.

Thanks

Tim
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today off, so you won't be interrupting work. (mob: 2295 9977 (don't
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[SLUG] ubuntu fiesty printing

[Ken Wilson]

Printing works fine on boxes upgraded to feisty but machine reinstalled 
with fiesty from alternate cd after a change of motherboard and 
processor wont install printer. Display issues stopped use of graphical 
installer as the windows were larger than the screen, so some buttons 
could not be clicked to progress. /Home partition is preserved from 
previous installs. Printer is HPLaserjet1320 network printer that has 
been simple to install in the past.


Progress through installling printer with gnome-cups-manager but when 
click final apply no new printer icon is displayed.



And this error when running sudo gnome-cups-manager from the command line:

(gnome-cups-manager:7634): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1280

googling finds numerous instances of this from dapper, edgy and fiesty, 
a few fixes but none that work for me.


There is a mention of the printer in gnome-cups-manager screens but it 
is not able to be activated on selection, or able to be removed.

Is there a configuration file that I could edit to remove and restart?
cheers
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[SLUG] Ubuntu upgrade stalls

[Heracles]

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Hi,
I have come across a problem and am not sure how to continue. I have
been running an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 on my daughter's machine. All
was running well until it reached the point where it says:

upgrading locales
- --en_AU.utf-8...

It stops at this point and has been stopped there for about two hours.
Any ideas

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[SLUG] Ubuntu intrepid warning

[Ken Foskey]

I am using ubuntu intrepid right now.   It is pretty flaky,  evolution
corrupts itself a lot right now (was working fine a couple of days ago).

I can barely tell the difference between the old and new,  the
application that I upgraded for wont work properly anyway.   There are
differences and it will be worth it just not with the pain.

So hold off on that update a little while longer.

Thanks
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> anybody know anything about this distro?
> 
> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/

Yes, there are a number of SLUGgers and Aussies working on it, including
myself. There will be a talk about it at SLUG this month. It's rad! :-)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:32:54 +1000
Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> anybody know anything about this distro?

Yeah, I know at least three people who have heard of it.
Maybe they will respond. Jeff? Rob? Andrew?

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> > anybody know anything about this distro?
> > 
> > http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
> 
> Yes, there are a number of SLUGgers and Aussies working on it, including
> myself. There will be a talk about it at SLUG this month. It's rad! :-)

What is rad about it?
What does it offer that others do not have?

Kind regards
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Robert Collins]

On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 08:06 +1000, Kevin Waterson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > anybody know anything about this distro?
> > > 
> > > http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
> > 
> > Yes, there are a number of SLUGgers and Aussies working on it, including
> > myself. There will be a talk about it at SLUG this month. It's rad! :-)
> 
> What is rad about it?
> What does it offer that others do not have?

Theres a bunch of stuff @ www.ubuntulinux.org that may help answer that.
For me, the radness (hey, if rad is a word, radness must be too!) comes
from the ease of use focus.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[andrew fries]

On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 08:46 +1000, Robert Collins wrote:

> For me, the radness (hey, if rad is a word, radness must be too!) comes
> from the ease of use focus.

For me, the radness comes from well-implemented, cutting edge Gnome!
Because of the people involved in its development, I think of Ubuntu as
a showcase of all those ideas coming from Gnome and Freedesktop.org
about how to create easy to use desktop system. I think they are often
kind of lost in translation on most distros, because Gnome tends to be
implemented poorly, if at all.

To digress slightly, I do a lot of distro-hopping and I've come to think
just about the only people who can deliver a decent Gnome experience are
the Dropline people for Slackware, and Fedora - but that is Fedorised
(hey, let's make up more words today!). It seems to me Gnome must be a
right bastard to build, because I see this practically everywhere. Take
source based distros: almost every time, on every one, with every update
- KDE builds flawlessly, but with Gnome something inevitably fails at
some stage! Not only on Gentoo but even on otherwise solid distros like
Lunar and Source Mage... even Arch Linux, which is usually solid as a
rock, stuffed up the last Gnome update in a major way. This is such a
clear pattern there must be some reason other than plain incompetence -
after all these same distros put together nicely working KDE without any
dramas...

Anyhow, Ubuntu is created by people who know their Gnome,
Freedesktop.org guidelines, and Debian. If anyone can be trusted to do
it right, it would be them. I suppose they will bring KDE in at some
stage - there will be certainly a lot of demand for that. But I almost
wish they wouldn't, because there are already a number of good systems
based on KDE, while Gnome lags behind.

PS. I'm writing this in Evolution 2 on Ubuntu.



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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[O Plameras]

My quick impression of Ubuntu Linux from andrew's typification
is that UbuntoLinux is mainly targeted for Workstation users.
For Server, Security, Networking and Enterprise computing
am I better off staying with  with 'slash and patch' version
for  customers ?
I hope this a fair impression of Ubuntu.
andrew fries wrote:
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 08:46 +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
 

For me, the radness (hey, if rad is a word, radness must be too!) comes
from the ease of use focus.
   

For me, the radness comes from well-implemented, cutting edge Gnome!
Because of the people involved in its development, I think of Ubuntu as
a showcase of all those ideas coming from Gnome and Freedesktop.org
about how to create easy to use desktop system. I think they are often
kind of lost in translation on most distros, because Gnome tends to be
implemented poorly, if at all.
To digress slightly, I do a lot of distro-hopping and I've come to think
just about the only people who can deliver a decent Gnome experience are
the Dropline people for Slackware, and Fedora - but that is Fedorised
(hey, let's make up more words today!). It seems to me Gnome must be a
right bastard to build, because I see this practically everywhere. Take
source based distros: almost every time, on every one, with every update
- KDE builds flawlessly, but with Gnome something inevitably fails at
some stage! Not only on Gentoo but even on otherwise solid distros like
Lunar and Source Mage... even Arch Linux, which is usually solid as a
rock, stuffed up the last Gnome update in a major way. This is such a
clear pattern there must be some reason other than plain incompetence -
after all these same distros put together nicely working KDE without any
dramas...
Anyhow, Ubuntu is created by people who know their Gnome,
Freedesktop.org guidelines, and Debian. If anyone can be trusted to do
it right, it would be them. I suppose they will bring KDE in at some
stage - there will be certainly a lot of demand for that. But I almost
wish they wouldn't, because there are already a number of good systems
based on KDE, while Gnome lags behind.
PS. I'm writing this in Evolution 2 on Ubuntu.

 

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[andrew fries]

On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 10:14 +1000, O Plameras wrote:
> My quick impression of Ubuntu Linux from andrew's typification
> is that UbuntoLinux is mainly targeted for Workstation users.

I think this is a fair assessment at the moment. Right now, the focus is
on the desktop. However they do talk about servers as well - after all,
this is essentially Debian.

> For Server, Security, Networking and Enterprise computing
> am I better off staying with  with 'slash and patch' version
> for  customers ?
For now, I'd say yes - remember, this is only a PREVIEW release.


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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[O Plameras]

Thanks for that.
I'll standby before jumping as my interest is
not mainly Workstations.
andrew fries wrote:
On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 10:14 +1000, O Plameras wrote:
 

My quick impression of Ubuntu Linux from andrew's typification
is that UbuntoLinux is mainly targeted for Workstation users.
   

I think this is a fair assessment at the moment. Right now, the focus is
on the desktop. However they do talk about servers as well - after all,
this is essentially Debian.
 

For Server, Security, Networking and Enterprise computing
am I better off staying with  with 'slash and patch' version
for  customers ?
   

For now, I'd say yes - remember, this is only a PREVIEW release.
 

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> My quick impression of Ubuntu Linux from andrew's typification is that
> UbuntoLinux is mainly targeted for Workstation users.
> 
> For Server, Security, Networking and Enterprise computing am I better off
> staying with  with 'slash and patch' version for  customers ?
> 
> I hope this a fair impression of Ubuntu.

We are making a lot of noise about our desktop support, and certainly the
default install from the CD is a complete desktop/laptop distribution...

However, if you type 'custom' at the install boot prompt, you'll get a nice,
complete UNIXy base system with all the stuff you'd expect, diagnostic
tools, etc. Our base includes things that would be appropriate on both a
server and a desktop. On top of the base, you can install a wide array of
supported FOSS server apps, and pretty much anything from Debian if you
choose to use the unsupported 'universe' selection.

So, we're talking about desktop a lot, but we're 100% supporting servers. :)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[O Plameras]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
We are making a lot of noise about our desktop support, and certainly the
default install from the CD is a complete desktop/laptop distribution...
However, if you type 'custom' at the install boot prompt, you'll get a nice,
complete UNIXy base system with all the stuff you'd expect, diagnostic
tools, etc. Our base includes things that would be appropriate on both a
server and a desktop. On top of the base, you can install a wide array of
supported FOSS server apps, and pretty much anything from Debian if you
choose to use the unsupported 'universe' selection.
So, we're talking about desktop a lot, but we're 100% supporting servers. :)
 

Fundamental questions to ask are:
1. What kernel version does it come with ? 2.4.x or 2.6.x ?
(My experience indicates difficult to upgrade from 2.4.x to 2.6.x
if one does not know the configuration difference between the
two, but easy if one knows; with unexplained OS freezing, IO
collapsing, etc.) As we know, Linux as an enterprise server is
even made more superior to MS with 2.6.x, its sophisticated
journalling file system,  strategy of pre-emptions that makes
it a smarter OS, a choice among a range of file systems, etc.
2. What is the default file system ? ext3, reiser, jfs, xfs ?
(I prefer ext3 for boot partition, but prefer reiser4 for
application file system, but not a problem as patch
2.6.8.1-mm2 provided by A Morton. 2.6.8.1-mm4
is now available from his site).
3. Does it support RPM based software management ?
What similar database software management is
provided ?
4. Any super-doper features exclusive to Ubunto ?

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote:
>
>My quick impression of Ubuntu Linux from andrew's typification
>is that UbuntoLinux is mainly targeted for Workstation users.
>
>For Server, Security, Networking and Enterprise computing
>am I better off staying with  with 'slash and patch' version
>for  customers ?

I'm starting to sway towards red hat in the server room and ubuntu on
the desktop.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> 1. What kernel version does it come with ? 2.4.x or 2.6.x ?

2.6.8.1, with the option of installing 2.4 (but we really only included that
for specific server tasks if required).

> 2. What is the default file system ? ext3, reiser, jfs, xfs ?

ext3, but you can also choose ext2, reiserfs, xfs and jfs. We recommend ext3
as the most stable filesystem available.

> 3. Does it support RPM based software management ?  What similar database
> software management is provided ?

It's based on Debian, so all the familiar tools such as apt-get, aptitude
and synaptic are available. LSB style RPMs are supported with alien.

> 4. Any super-doper features exclusive to Ubunto ?

First distro to ship GNOME 2.8, excellent X autodetection, great laptop and
other hardware support, six-month time based releases, etc. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>
>
>> 1. What kernel version does it come with ? 2.4.x or 2.6.x ?
>
>2.6.8.1, with the option of installing 2.4 (but we really only included that
>for specific server tasks if required).
>
>> 2. What is the default file system ? ext3, reiser, jfs, xfs ?
>
>ext3, but you can also choose ext2, reiserfs, xfs and jfs. We recommend ext3
>as the most stable filesystem available.
>
>> 3. Does it support RPM based software management ?  What similar database
>> software management is provided ?
>
>It's based on Debian, so all the familiar tools such as apt-get, aptitude
>and synaptic are available. LSB style RPMs are supported with alien.
>
>> 4. Any super-doper features exclusive to Ubunto ?
>
>First distro to ship GNOME 2.8, excellent X autodetection, great laptop and
>other hardware support, six-month time based releases, etc. :-)

Jeff understates the X autodetection and laptop support.  I booted my
laptop off the CD and was asked maybe 4 questions all up during the
install, and two of them were "type in your new password".

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[O Plameras]

Jeff Waugh wrote:

 

1. What kernel version does it come with ? 2.4.x or 2.6.x ?
   

2.6.8.1, with the option of installing 2.4 (but we really only included that
for specific server tasks if required).
 

Should a user decide to have kernel 2.4.x, is this version in Ubunto a
native-posix-threading-library (NPTL) compliant ?
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> Should a user decide to have kernel 2.4.x, is this version in Ubunto a
> native-posix-threading-library (NPTL) compliant ?

No, they are not as madly patched as other distribution kernels. NPTL is not
a feature of Linux 2.4.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[O Plameras]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
 

Should a user decide to have kernel 2.4.x, is this version in Ubunto a
native-posix-threading-library (NPTL) compliant ?
   

No, they are not as madly patched as other distribution kernels. NPTL is not
a feature of Linux 2.4.
 

Yes, it is not a feature of 2.4.x but one can patch. It did became in 
2.5.x and now 2.6.x.

Incidentally, in one 2.5.x, test in starting/stopping all 100,000 
parallel threads  on
1GB RAM resulted in 2 seconds as against 15 minutes on non-NPTL kernel
stock.

Before NPTL, MS is superior to Linux in terms of "smoothness" of Win 
operations.
But not anymore with NPTL.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> Yes, it is not a feature of 2.4.x but one can patch.

We'd prefer to support it in 2.6 than madly patch 2.4 at this stage in its
lifecycle. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu linux

[amos]

Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
I'm starting to sway towards red hat in the server room and ubuntu on
the desktop.
Why the distro split?
Wouldn't you rather stick to a single distribution for easier
maintenance (tracking of security updates, problems found, tools
familiarity)?
(for that matter, I'd treat Ubuntu and Debian as "almost identical").
Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Michael Fox]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:54:24 +1000 (EST), David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all
> the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do
> something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is
> just slightly easier.

This is normal... the base install CD contains just enough to install
the system and then reboot. After the reboot it then uses external
sources... or atleast did for my install I just did now on a vmware
hosted session.

The install for me is just completing.. see how it runs once the
packages all complete the install phase.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David Fisher]

On Wed 28/9, David wrote:

>5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
>player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
>Mahler.

This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.

>MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(

A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
Lied von der Erde.



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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote:

>
> On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
>
> >5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
> >player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
> >Mahler.
>
> This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.
>
> >MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
>
> A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
> Lied von der Erde.
>

damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Peter Chubb]

> "david" == david  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

david> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, David Fisher wrote:

>>  On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
>> 
>> >5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started
>> up a CD >player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu
>> doesn't like >Mahler.
>> 
>> This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well,
>> its war.
>> 
>> >MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
>> 
>> A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony
>> and Das Lied von der Erde.
>> 

david> damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this?
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output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Michael Lake]

David Fisher wrote:
On Wed 28/9, David wrote:
5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
Mahler.
This is totally unacceptable.  If it won't play Bruckner as well, its war.
MediaPlayer plays Gustav perfectly. A bit depressing really :(
A lot of Mahler can be like that. Stay away from the 9th Symphony and Das
Lied von der Erde.
I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-)
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David Fisher]

Mike Lake wrote:

> I dunno bout the above, I have van Gogh's ear for music :-)

Not to mention Joaquin Rodrigo's eye for fashion;-)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Jan Schmidt]

> I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that
> output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
> Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.
> 

That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
card).

Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
freeze date.

Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
channel is turned down in your mixer :)

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Craige McWhirter]

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote:

> damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
> any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(

David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at
risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what
hardware are you running this on?



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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:

> 
> > I suggest you get Bach to work ... fire up a mixer and make sure that
> > output is enabled from the CD and the volume control isn't on zero.
> > Then you can Lizten to your heart's content.
> >
>
> That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
> from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
> Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
> a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
> effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
> card).
>
> Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
> 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
> freeze date.
>
> Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
> channel is turned down in your mixer :)

Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin.

I fired up alsamixer and fiddled with levels and toggles till sound came
out.

Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is
non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails
the "Just Works" test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would
have no hope.

I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
GnomeMeeting's video.

David.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Craige McWhirter wrote:

> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:17 +1000, David wrote:
>
> > damn.. that was the problem... 9th sympathy! But what's this? didn't get
> > any sympathy from Led Zeppelin either :(
>
> David, I'll admit I missed the genesis (har har) of this thread, so at
> risk of asking a question that may have been asked already, what
> hardware are you running this on?


Dell Inspiron 4000, sound card is ESS Maestro3

Sound now works after fiddling with alsamixer levels and toggles, but
desktop icon now doesn't do anything.
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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Jan Schmidt]

> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:
> > That may not be sufficient. On a lot of recent machines, the audio cable
> > from the CD-ROM drive to the sound card is not installed. Windows Media
> > Player uses CDDA digital extraction and then plays the music as if it were
> > a wav file. This won't use the analog cable, and allows the visualisation
> > effects they play (otherwise they'd have to capture the audio from the sound
> > card).
> >
> > Which means that you need a CDDA based CD player to play them... which Gnome
> > 2.8's CD player isn't, but 2.8.1's should be... the patch just missed the
> > freeze date.
> >
> > Of course, this is not to say that your problem isn't just that the CD
> > channel is turned down in your mixer :)
> 
> Thanks, Jan.. I now have both Mahler and Zeppelin.

OK - you have the audio cable between your CD player and the sound card then
:)

> Now the cute little speaker icon on the desktop shows zero and is
> non-functional. I don't care about that too much, but it certainly fails
> the "Just Works" test espoused by Ubuntu. A non-technical person would
> have no hope.

That's a bit strange, I'm not sure what's going on there.

> I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
> feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
> working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
> GnomeMeeting's video.

Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture'
flag?

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Jan Schmidt wrote:

>
> > I'm also trying to set up GnomeMeeting, but even though I can induce
> > feedback using alsamixer (implying that both speakers and mike are
> > working), GnomeMeeting's test is implacably silent :( Ditto for
> > GnomeMeeting's video.
>
> Did you hit the space bar when 'mic' was selected to turn on the 'capture'
> flag?

Hmm I was sure I did, but perhaps with all the fiddling around, I
didn't quite get the right combinations :(

Audio is now working, but video is not. I can get video from my webcam
using Camorama, so all is plugged in correctly. GnomeMeeting gives no
Video Plugin options, so presumably that's the problem, but what to do
about it?


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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[Jeff Waugh]

> Once installed it looks very pretty and slick, but during the install, all
> the packages downloaded from the net instead of from the CD. Did I do
> something wrong? I never found Debian hard to install before, so this is
> just slightly easier.

If you download the Preview CD, as opposed to a recent nightly CD, a huge
chunk of the packages would have been updated. Some definitely came from the
CD, but it still would have been a big download. :-)

> 1: Windows. I had WinME and debian already installed. During the disk
> partition phase Ubuntu asked if I wanted to be able to boot from Windows,
> but after installation completed, grub wasn't reporting any options for
> Windows. I've not had to deal with this before, since both Woody and Sarge
> "Just worked" ;-) See point 6 below.

Intriguing, this should just work.

> 2: Screensaver. When you (initially?) set the screensaver, you have to
> reboot the daemon, which is not explained. I figured it out by fiddling
> around.  Nit-picking? I don't think so because Ubuntu claims that
> everything will "just work". All that's needed is an "Apply" button.

xscreensaver is an unfortunate exception to pretty much any GNOME rule you
could think of, though only some of the options require a daemon restart.

> 3: Hot plugging cameras. My Nikon hot plugged beautifully, but as
> explained at the slug meeting, you can't upload anything from the inbuilt
> software because of a known bug. OTOH, I can use the camera as a
> removeable USB device and it works fine. I tried to umount it, but it was
> reported as "in use".  No obvious processes using it, so i just switched
> it off. I still don't know why it appeared to be "in use".

Unfortunately, the file monitor daemon (fam) that ships with WartyWarthog is
annoyingly broken in this respect. Because the device is mounted 'sync', you
can just pull it out, but the new file monitor daemon (and kernel features)
in HoaryHedgehog will solve this.

> 4: Gnomemeeting. Page 7/9 of the configuration druid asks me to choose a
> video manager, and suggests video4linux. Video4Linux is not available in
> the drop down menu (in fact, nothing is!). There are some Video4Linux
> libraries installed by default, but I have no idea if these are what is
> required.  There is no obvious way to configure them into Gnomemeeting. I
> had a logitech webcam plugged in when booting, which appeared to be
> detected, and which works under windows. Right now I don't have
> GnomeMeeting working :(

Which model camera?

> 5: Sound. Inserting my favourite Mahler CD automatically started up a CD
> player (good!), but no sound came out (bad!). Maybe Ubuntu doesn't like
> Mahler. Now I have to get Grub to notice Windows to make sure it's not a
> hardware fault. Damn it.

I hate this problem. So, modern computers don't have an audio cable running
from the CD drive to the sound card. They actually have to digitally 'rip'
the audio off the disc to play it, *exactly* the same way an mp3/ogg ripper
would do. It's infuriating. But - it will be sorted in the next release. :)

> 6: Grub. A little digging revealed a "hidden-menu" option for grub, which
> for some bizarre reason had been set. Hold down ESC while grub loads and
> voila! but since I obviously want to be able to boot Windows, this is a
> failure of the "just works"  principle.

Agree, if you've got more than just Windows, it should probably not do that.
I'll confer with Colin, our installer guy. ;-)

> 9: Application Menu. Hmm.. well, maybe it's me, but... . I wanted to add
> an application to the menu.. which I haven't done before because I have
> never used Gnome. The help menu has no search function! Eventually I
> figured out how to add a program to the menu, but it's counter-intuitive
> and complicated.

Indeed. Not something GNOME has attempted to fix, because it's horribly ugly
code down there. I believe this will be sorted in GNOME 2.10 (and thus our
next release).

> 10: File Manager. Perhaps a small point, but confusing. The on-line docs
> for Gnome refer extensively to "file manager", but nowhere in the Ubuntu
> desktop menus is anything that says file manager. Now that I know what
> they mean it's blindingly obvious, but it took quit a while to figure
> it out. Is this because I'm a mac user?

:-)

> It's a promising start, but not as good as OS X, especially for a
> non-geek.

Patience.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu newness

[David]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> David wrote:
>
> >If someone can help me with Video4Linux/GnomeMeeting and the sound issue,
> >I would appreciate it.
> >
> >
> Thanks very much for the report.
>
> I can't help you with the sound but about the camera - I had it working
> well after
> installing debian's qc-usb-source and qc-usb-utils modules and compiling
> the module.

It's turned out that the bug is known and relates to GnomeMeeting. The
"fix" has made things worse :( but I'm sure it will get sorted. The camera
is a logitech webcam and works fine in other apps.


>
> What kind of sound hardware do you have there? The alsa-users mailing
> list was extremly
> responsive and helpful when I tried to make ALSA work for me. You might
> want to try
> there (and dig the alsa-project.org web site).

The card is a Maestro3. It was turned off by default (!) although the
desktop icon showed sound levels at maximum. Right click on the icon and
play with mixers got it all working. Nothing serious, but definitely
annoying.
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[SLUG] Ubuntu problem ... sortof

[Jason Rennie]

Hi all,

I took the ubuntu plunge and now i'm stuck. 

I want to install java, but the simple apt-get mechanism on the ubuntu
webpage that is recommended is broken. It is complaining about a
deprecated package that cannot be installed.

Now I am sure I can do this via the manual download route (which is
what I guess I will end up doing) but you might want to get the
webpage updated.

Unless of course I am doing something stupid, i've not really every
used debian before.

Also I wanted to install java to get azureus to work, and I found a
deb resource for it, but it complains that it needs libswt to work and
that it cannot find this dependency. Again I presumeI just have to
find the right deb archive, but is there any central list of different
deb sources ?

This seems like a lot of work for something that works "out of the box", 

Jason
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:49:36 +1000
"Kevin Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gday,
> 
> I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian
> distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. 

Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year?

Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are
involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting.
Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more.

Erik
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> > I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new debian
> > distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux. 
> 
> Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year?
> 
> Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are
> involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting.
> Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more.

[ I did the talk about Ubuntu at SAGE-NSW, too. I'm glad Kevin was still
intrigued, I was very ill that night. ;-) ]

- Jeff

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RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu Linux

[Kevin Davies]

Hehe

Not asleep but also not a member and not focused on 
Linux distros. Just sharing and caring.

Kevin

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> > I went to the monthly SAGE meet last week and learnt about a new 
> > debian distro with commerical support callled Ubuntu linux.
> 
> Sorry Kevin, but have you been asleep under a rock for the last year?
> 
> Three of our fellow SLUGers (jdub, rob collins and andrew bennets) are 
> involved in this effort. Jdub spoke about it at the last SLUG meeting.
> Its been mentioned on this list a dozen times or more.

[ I did the talk about Ubuntu at SAGE-NSW, too. I'm glad Kevin was still
intrigued, I was very ill that night. ;-) ]

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu review

[Jeff Waugh]

> The installer needs some work before i would call it really easy to use.
> Seems to be streamlined for a simple clean all setup.  Error messages
> appear to be a bit weak when things go wrong.

Hey, interesting problem - not sure what that was. I've demonstrated it in
front of quite a few crowds now (where Murphy's Law strikes) and done so
many installs through the development process I couldn't begin to count
them, but have never seen this happen. Did you download the final release?

Anyway, happy to demonstrate the usual simple, streamlined install for you
at SLUG tomorrow night. Personal performance, just for you! :-)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu review

[Ken Foskey]

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 01:30 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > The installer needs some work before i would call it really easy to use.
> > Seems to be streamlined for a simple clean all setup.  Error messages
> > appear to be a bit weak when things go wrong.
> 
> Hey, interesting problem - not sure what that was. I've demonstrated it in
> front of quite a few crowds now (where Murphy's Law strikes) and done so
> many installs through the development process I couldn't begin to count
> them, but have never seen this happen. Did you download the final release?
> 
> Anyway, happy to demonstrate the usual simple, streamlined install for you
> at SLUG tomorrow night. Personal performance, just for you! :-)

For the record...

The problem was that I was putting the /home directory on a vfat
partition.  This apparently is a no-no and it failed to create my home
directory correctly.

Hopefully the release manager will take this up with the developers and
get this combination disallowed :-).

KenF


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Re: [SLUG] ubuntu review

[Jeff Waugh]

> Hopefully the release manager will take this up with the developers and
> get this combination disallowed :-).

I'll, ah, see that he does. Ahem. Thanks Ken. ;)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Live

[Jeff Waugh]

> i could probably find an ubuntu specific mailing list to send this to but i
> know jdub et al will see it here and it may interest the rest of you.

http://lists.ubuntu.com/

> on a compaq armada 7400 it auto-detected everything, down to the X config.

Sweet.

> it wasn't so good on a compaq presario 1400 where it had a problem detecting
> or configuring for the video chipset and X was like a photo negative colour
> wise, extremely dim (not fixed by adjusting screen brightness) and text was
> illegible due to pixellation. unfortunately i can't test this with the
> install CD as it isn't my laptop to mess with.

Nice one - what kind of video hardware?

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Live

[Ben de Luca]

I am interested but busy?
Where does ubuntu come from? is it debian?
What, why, how?

On 03/11/2004, at 6:37 PM, Jeff Waugh wrote:

i could probably find an ubuntu specific mailing list to send this to 
but i
know jdub et al will see it here and it may interest the rest of you.
http://lists.ubuntu.com/
on a compaq armada 7400 it auto-detected everything, down to the X 
config.
Sweet.
it wasn't so good on a compaq presario 1400 where it had a problem 
detecting
or configuring for the video chipset and X was like a photo negative 
colour
wise, extremely dim (not fixed by adjusting screen brightness) and 
text was
illegible due to pixellation. unfortunately i can't test this with the
install CD as it isn't my laptop to mess with.
Nice one - what kind of video hardware?
- Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Live

[Jeff Waugh]

> I am interested but busy?
> 
> Where does ubuntu come from? is it debian?
> What, why, how?

Most of that is answered on the website: www.ubuntulinux.org. The FAQ will
help, too. Happy to answer any specific questions.

- Jeff

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