[RCSE] building a box for sport tube
Don Vetter has a nice plywood internal structure for his sport tube. You can get his attention at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick --- Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SoaringSun, 17 Oct 2004 Volume 1 : Number 4485 In this issue: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models Broadband Over Powerline approved how come I started to get 2 msgs of everything yesterday? building the ideal plywood box for a Sportubes and DLGs -- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:39:53 -0400 From: Keith McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4B435.A2D4ADD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin, Didn't mean to sound too serious in my previous reply, but it's just = that I know what can be done with something like a model airplane, and I = was really only responding to people's complaints about their model = flying activities being curtailed temporarily when a security-sensitive = asset is nearby. I am definitely against anything like our club = flying fields being closed permanently for misguided security concerns! Also, I think we can all be as accurate as needed if we're trying to = bullseye our timers!!! LOL!!! Keith --=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4B435.A2D4ADD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type = content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 STYLE/STYLE META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2900.2523 name=3DGENERATOR/HEAD BODY id=3DMailContainerBody=20 style=3DPADDING-LEFT: 10px; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = COLOR: #00; BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-STYLE: = normal; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; = BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; TEXT-DECORATION: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: = none=20 leftMargin=3D0 topMargin=3D0 acc_role=3Dtext CanvasTabStop=3Dtrue=20 name=3DCompose message area!--[gte IE 5]?xml:namespace = prefix=3Dv /?xml:namespace prefix=3Do /![endif]-- DIV DIVMartin,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVDidn't mean to sound too serious in my previous reply, but it's = just that I=20 know what can be done with something like a model airplane, and I was = really=20 only responding to people's complaints about their model flying = activities being=20 curtailed temporarily when a security-sensitive asset is nearby.nbsp; = I am=20 definitely against anything like our club flying fields being closed = permanently=20 for misguided security concerns!/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVAlso, I think we can all be as accurate as needed if we're trying = to=20 bullseye our timers!!!nbsp;nbsp; LOL!!!/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVKeith /DIV/DIV/BODY/HTML --=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4B435.A2D4ADD0-- -- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:07:33 -0700 From: Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Broadband Over Powerline approved Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last week, the FCC approved national deployment of BPL. Who knows whether the effort will really take off (no pun) in a big way, but they have the green light. The article I read stated that the HAM operator's concerns could be managed but nothing regarding R/C interference. Tom -- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:57:06 -0400 From: Ron Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how come I started to get 2 msgs of everything yesterday? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:18:56 -0500 From: Peter Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: building the ideal plywood box for a Sportubes and DLGs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, I'm going to attend the ECHLG contest up in North Carolina next week, and I finally have all of my planes working. However, I still don't have a box built for my Sportube. This is a mostly obvious exercise, but I feel like I should try to leverage the inventiveness of others who might have come up with superior packing solutions. I took this picture of Oleg's cardboard nice box last year: http://www.diff.net/media/2003_10_12_East_Coast_HLG_contest/img_2990.htm My situation won't be as pretty as his, because I have three planes which all have differing amounts of dihedral and two with non-removable stabs. I'm confident that I can make it work given the materials I have, but it would be nice to see if there are any other pictures of travel carriers for hand launch
[RCSE] Volz servo arms and arm screws
Guys, Anybody have the specs on the screws that hold the arms onto the Volz Micro Maxx X servos? I broke a servoarm and lost the screw at the slope. JR arms appear to fit, but the screw is not the same as any I have. Any east coast suppliers for Volz? Tom KoszutaWestern New York Sailplane and Electric FlyersBuffalo, NY
[RCSE] Volz servo arms and arm screws..and everything else :-)
I have all parts for Volz servos. I do all the repairs in the USA at N/C labor as I do it as part of my hobby...and Michael Volz is a very good friend of mine. And I have used Volz myself for about the last 8 years. So if you need some parts let me know. Shipping USPS Priority mail is $5 (postage plus the box). Arm sets are $5 and the 'Pro-arm' (2 hole arm supplied on the servos) is $3 each (Screw is free with arm or arm sets). I ship the same day someone needs something...if I am home. I travel... alot :-) Tennessee this week...but I'll take a few arms and screws with me. Gordy Stahl9303 LeBeau CtLouisville Ky 40299
[RCSE] The draw backs to building a box for sport tube
The Sportube is slippery. And that causes it to slide off the conveyor at the airplane, going up and down. Adding weight to it only makes things worse. Also when it leaves the trailer and gets on the high speed conveyors inside the terminals, similar crashing goes on. I have about 100 flights with the Sportube and the best protection for your sailplane parts is lots of layers of bubble wrap. Specially in the middle and on the heavier wheel end. I have NEVER had a part damaged from compression and I carry two Pikes, Super-Stand, Bungee and its nails. I have had inspector vandalism to my models. Adding an aluminum tube to keep them from over closing the end, a sort of length limit helps. You should always be present while they inspect (if its possible, sometimes they do inspections behind the walls at some airports (Fresno). Also go to Target and get a TSA Approved Lock. It has combination and key slot. The key is standard to all TSA check points. I have not done that part yet but will because they have managed to lose the lock, clips and tie wraps I have used lately. Not sure if there is a TSA lock that will fit. Gordy Tennesse this week
[RCSE] WTB electric Escape,Superior,Graphite 3.45
Hi, Looking for these in electric, and x-tails. Dave Hauch Mich. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] will trade E-AVA for E-Escape, E-Superior, E-Graphite 3.45
I have a electric AVA with Volz Wing-Max in tail and HS 81 on spoiler. Perfect cond. Yellow center panel, blue tips. Will work out trade for one of the planes listed, x-tail only. Dave Hauch Mich. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Release Wax Redux
Good old fashioned Turtle Paste Wax works pretty good. Only stuff in town that's pure wax without a cleaner of some sort. Not 100% carnauba but has given the best releases so far. - dfr
[RCSE] FS: Scanner
Hey Guys, I have an Icom IC-R2 for sale. It has all the 72 Mhz air band frequencies pre-programmed for R/C use. The radio covers from .5 Mhz to 1300 MHz, AM, FM, and WFM (WFM is usally TV stations and FM broadcast stations). The radio is computer programmable. I've also found it has *great* audio, nice and loud, especially for such a small radio. It runs off two AA batteries. It is like new condition with no scratches. Full detail for the radio can be found here: http://www.icomamerica.com/products/receivers/r2/ Asking $150 obo. -Charles RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] iHobby Expo
I will be out of the office attending the iHobbyExpo in Rosemont,Il (Chicago) through the weekend so if you have any 9303 questions get with me on Monday. Or if your in the area come by the show and say hi (Horizon Hobby Booth#. It's open to the public on Saturday and Sunday and there should be some interesting stuff to look at. In years past they have had robot wars and the like, and if your interested in trains this is the place to be. Lots of RC stuff to. Hope to see you there. John RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: NorCal 60 MoM Race - Sunday 10/17/2004
Due to popular demand, this Sunday's race will be for BOTH Composite 60 and Foamie 60 classes. We will alternate rounds between the two classes. Pilots from both classes will be required to judge turns and/or call for other pilots. You may enter and fly in both classes. (For those pilots who previously signed up for the Composite race, drop me a line if you want to race your Foamie too.) The race will be held at the NCSS flying site in Benicia (The Slot) this Sunday 10/17/2004. Please arrive by 11 AM. All pilots must have current AMA membership, a signed NCSS Release on file, and there is a $5 entry fee. For signup details including directions, please visit the MoM signup page: http://soarheads.com/cgi-bin/soarheads/mom_signup.cgi Hope to see you there. -- James Osborn Contest Director .-_--. James R. Osborn * [EMAIL PROTECTED]| \/ \ | Up and Running LLC |-. \ _ /\\_/ | Computer and Information Technology Support | '-.\ / \\/| (510) 377-4514 Office * (510) 232-2575 Fax| ' \_/ | `' RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Burt Rutan on Science Channel Tonight
Douglas, Brent wrote: I was curious about that feather mode, too. Looking at the flight on TV, it looks like the tail sticking up makes the ship fall flat, eg, so that it exposes the bottom of the wings and fuse to the air flow. Does that sound accurate to anyone that watched? Anyone saving up for a flight? For the cost of 140 Icons you too could get in orbit ; ) (One Icon in the check register would put ME in orbit) B. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. No, it was a matter of keeping the nose pointed into the wind in the same manner as an arrow. Matt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] V tail angle?
How will a 120 degree rather than a 110 degree angle of the V tail affect performance? OK, so I'm hard at work on my 2 meter pod and boom V tail hand launch/slope soarer built according to the strictest TLAR criteria.. I thought I had everything properly rigged to get a 110 degree angle on the V tail but, like the craftsman, himself, somethings seem to have sagged. So now I have a 120 degree angle. I do have ailerons but will I have enough yaw stability? Should I rip off the empennage and try again, or will I be able to compensate in flight? Note: I never enter competitions, I just like to go hang with the guys who do and have an excuse to watch and listen to them. Thanks. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: LISF Annual Aerotow will be held on Saturday October 16, 2004
Due to the high winds and possibility of some early morning rain this Saturday, the LISF Aerotow will be held on Sunday (our alternate day). We have two beautiful runways cut out for us. The grass is the shortest I've ever seen. It's large enough for a full size STOL aircraft. The adjacent area was cut last week by the town. It is short enough for landings. We will have 3 tow planes - a 1/3 scale Spacewalker with a 3W-60 engine, a 1/4 scale L19 Bird Dog with a twin 300 4-stroke, and a Pegasus with a 100 Brison twin. Sunday's weather should be sunny and seasonable. Hope to see all of you there. -Sal -- fredt fredt's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=27092 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=284584 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: needin HL batteries
Batteries America usually has a pretty extensive stock. -- airHead256 Greenhorn airHead256's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=6663 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=286651 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] RE:(RCSE) Brand New Stylus WITH Glider Card.
For Sale:One brand new stylus in the box with servo's and rx. Includes Glider card Channel 34 $550.00 obo You can call anytime and leave a message with a return number. I will call back asap. Thank you Tim Gastinger RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Re: Flying Early Thursday
Would that be far ri... , ahh, ultra high? :-) regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Howard Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was he on the president's frequency? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Winch line tension
I am looking for a way to slow down the winch when winding the line back up at the end of flying. Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Famiglietti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who know a lot more than me I have a question. Under ideal circumstances what is the best line tension one should use to launch a sailplane? That is, is there a formula I can employ to calculate line tension needed to launch a sailplane knowing such things as its mass, wing span, wing loading, method of construction (built up, composite, hollow) and any other parameters such as type of line (stretch , non stretch, twisted or braided, monofilament ) etc. The reason I ask is because I have just finished building a winch in which I can adjust the output tension in the line without having to pulse the foot switch. Line tension can be changed easily and quickly to accomodate various planes. TIA Andrew RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] trainer cord use...
Brent, It depends on the radio that you're using but you usually do have to trim both radios. One exception that I know of is the Stylus which uses all settings from the master radio. You'll also have to check into the programming for the brand radio that you're using. Easiest way is to plug in the buddy box and pass control to it and see if the mixing follows or not. I've never pulled the crystal from the TX of the buddy box. Just make sure that whoever is on the buddy box doesn't turn on the power. Hope this helps, Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] trainer cord use...
The neutrals need to be synchronized. If you can reduce throws on the student box, do it. Some systems can designate the 'channels' allowed to opperate on the trainer TX. At least at first the instructor will be taking off and landing, so the student need only pitch and roll channels. Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 02:50:54PM -0400, Douglas, Brent wrote: | Can anyone give me the quick idiot's guide to using a trainer cord? Do | you have to trim both radios to match Yes. You do this by holding both transmitters and switching back and forth between transmitters and making adjustments until nothing changes when you switch. | do they both need all the same mixing set up (eg, elevon, etc)? Yes, unless you've got a high end `master' radio which can decode the slave signal then apply it's mixes to it. The Futaba 9C can do it, and I don't think many other radios can (but I can't be sure.) If your radio isn't one that can do this, you just need to make sure that the controls do the same things on both radios. | Is it considered safer to pull the crystal from the trainer box? Yes, though that's not really needed. I don't know about Hitec, but with Futaba you generally don't even turn the buddy box on. If you do have to turn the buddy box on, I'd suggest removing the crystal or module just to be safe, though they should turn off the transmitter on their own. | He's planning on using his regular Hitec radio and an older Flash that | he has lying around. Just make sure that the controls are the same for master and slave before you fly :) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED]For adult education nothing beats children. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] So Cal this w/e
OK, I've thought of a new game that might interest Daryl tomorrow night at SWSA. Let's call it stab for the dollars in the dark. Here's the way it might work. All the players would put a dollar into a small stack in the landing zone at the beginning of the round. If there's 20 contestants, they'd be 20 one dollar bills in a neat stack in the landing zone. Since this is a night event and since the landing zone is green grass at SWSA, the dollar bills would virtually disappear against the grass background. The only illumination allowed to help see the dollars would be the flashlight you'd mount on your glider along the longitudinal axis to act as a landing light. If you have a sufficiently bright flashlight and it's mounted correctly to illuminate your glide path and if you're able to fly a nice smooth glide slope, then you'd be able to see the dollars as you approach for landing. However, any deviation from a perfect glide slope and line up would slew the narrow beam of the flashlight away from the dollars as you make corrections. You'd literally end up taking a stab for the dollars in the dark at the spot where you thought the dollars were. The closest to the dollars takes them for the round with the round being over after all participants have their turn. Contestants in subsequent rounds fly in the order of their finish in the previous round with the winner flying last. The winner of the previous round would fly for free in the next round. Having a twisted mind, here's the kicker. A three minute precision flight is also required with the flight score decrementing at one point per second. Scoring would be simple and could even be done in your head by deducting the number of inches from the dollars during your landing from your precision score to determine your round score. A perfect round would be 180 points which would be a three minute flight minus zero points because you stuck the dollars. If you're more than 15 feet from the dollars, your round score would be negative because you'd be losing more landing points than are available from flight time (15'X12=180 points). Cylumes or night ops lights could be used to help orient the glider off the winch. However, pilots flying foamy or expendable gliders probably wouldn't make the time with the added payload.In addition, those that mounted a large flashlight in order to get max illumination would also suffer a significant performance penalty through both weight and drag and might not make the time. It would be a delicate balance between making the flight time and being able to see the dollars while landing. Those that don't make smooth approaches or who make hard dork landings would suffer as the flashlight would probably have to be replaced or at least remounted between rounds. Since we'd be risking our $1,000+ gliders in this environment, it would certainly put the thrill of competition back into the occasion. Finally, whoever's particularly adept at this task would walk away with some cash after several rounds (not enought to replace a damaged glider but certainly better than just bragging rights). Hey, maybe I've thought of a TD format where pilots won't be bored but it's still a landing contest. Now if we just add a requirement of one beer per round to the format, we'd really have a winner. (CD's, don't tell the AMA about this last provision in your sanction request). All tongue in cheek of course; Fred - Original Message - From: Dan Borer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] So Cal this w/e Daryl-- We're having our SWSA annual Night Fly/Potluck on Saturday at 4:30 PM. Flying begins at dusk with the longest two flights winning and landings are optional.. Dan - Original Message - From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: [RCSE] So Cal this w/e Looks like I'll be spending this w/e in So Cal. Any contests anywhere? Bring your singles boys... Daryl needs a new Lancair ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
Hi Keith, Are you back east yet? Everything you say is true but to borrow a prase from the NRA, if you ban model planes, only the terrorists will have r/c models. One of the clubs I belong to flies on the grounds of the Air Force Communications facility (antenna farm outside Washington, D.C.) that handles sensitive com. We were locked out after 9/11 understandably - but the commander of Andrews AFB came to the conclusion that it was better to have concerned people (eyes and ears) around then not. (Especially now when are forces have been stretched so thin Andrews AFB has replaced the Air Police at the gates with civilian contract personnel). Many of the club members are military or ex-military and have security training. Eliminating the terrorist threat is unrealistic (70 some arson related fires in the D. C. area and the police have no clues). Educated vigilant human observers are not unrealistic but a necessity. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what someone who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an electric glider, I'll tell you. You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting anti-personnel weapon, and it'd be very effective against a small group of people (think of the president exiting his vehicle in the motorcade, surrounded by his security people). The types of explosives that are available and the materials you can wrap them can easily be carried inside the fuse and wings of any of our typical models. There are tiny, highly accurate, gps-based autopilot systems designed to be used with R/C gear that are easily available for purchase from several vendors that would make getting the model on a fixed target fairly easy. I get security training on a regular basis because of my job and my eyes have been opened to more types of small, terrorist-devised weapons than I ever would have thought existed, plus all the ones I learned about over the years my father worked to develop for the military. If you looked at your models and started thinking of all the ways you could use it as a weapon, then you'd realize just how nervous any security team would be to have you flying around anywhere near the asset they are trying to protect! Keith McLellan Captain Gulfstream III, Challenger 601 Northampton, PA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Downeast Soaring - Annual October Wind TD today
Pictures here: http://archive.downeastsoaring.org/td101604/ MDM http://www.downeastsoaring.org -- MDM MDM's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=7716 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=287549 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] AF1
Good points! Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, your intended message is a good one, and we should all take heed. Just to be fair here... It's far more accurate to say that very, very, very few Muslims are terrorists. The recent crop of terrorists aren't Muslims, they're Muslim Extremists. There's a big difference between the two, and the latter do not base their anger and aggression on the teachings of their religion. Nor do they have the support of Muslim leaders. This is not to say that Americans are popular with Muslims. Many aspects of the American way of life, love of equality, love of political freedom, ability to love money, these things are not kosher with their beliefs. They have Avery right to hate us, and many of them do, but their leaders are not encouraging them to kill Americans, that is purely the domain of extremists who make up a very, very small percentage of the Muslim population. Up until 9/11, the most deadly act of terrorism ever perpetrated on American soil was by Timothy McVeigh. We all blamed foreign religious groups right away, and I remember being shocked that an American had destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I haven't forgotten that jolt, and won't be so short sighted again. But that's not what you were trying to say in your post. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to berate you for anything. I just wanted to bring attention to a tendency we (myself included at times) have of being suspicious of anyone with a towel on their head. The media has not helped. Dan Kitching Everything I know about Muslims I learned on TV(Thank God that's not true) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
If I were interested in taking someone out via RC, I'd use one of the new jets with a true turbine, and an on-board video camera setup. At 200+ mph, I think it would be more effective. Not that I'd ever fly one - I prefer aerobatics and soaring to turning big looops and circles, which is just about ALL their owners do with them. Matt Martin Usher wrote: You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what someone who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an electric glider, I'll tell you. (Keith) Thanks. You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting anti-personnel weapon With a payload capacity of less than a pound its not going to be that effective. There's also not that much room in the fuse for that payload, especially if you want to keep the CG within a controllable range. Landing it on the spot when the tape's in front of you isn't that difficult (landing on time -- well). Its a lot more difficult to hit a remote target...try going through a soccer goal that's a hundred yards away and see how well you do. The only way I could hit a high value target is if it were acting as my timer. There are tiny, highly accurate, gps-based autopilot systems designed to be used with R/C gear that are easily available for purchase from several vendors that would make getting the model on a fixed target fairly easy. Your're getting stuff confused. GPS, the GPS that we can buy, has a rather low update rate. It only updates once per second, too slow to do precision targeting. You need to combine it with some quality inertial guidance kit. The autopilots sold by FMA are optical wing levellers, not inertial guidance systems. I'm not saying that this kit is impossible to own, its just not over the counter at the moment. If it were then we'd have a major problem with Thermal Duration contests -- its bad enough having gyros keeping the planes on line during the approach, the last thing we want is something that can precisely autoland the planes for us. To quote one of your presidents -- The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. Yes, keep your eyes and ears open, but also keep a sense of proportion. Martin Usher (BTW -- You might find a visit to Israel interesting -- its full of people trying to live ordinary, everyday, lives in a society that's got what could be the worst-case in day to day terror threats. The locals don't seem that paranoid.) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] 9303 with an electric - cannot find the JR8103 write-up
Rense wrote: This reminds me, I was looking for the JR8103 write-up on how to program for electrics that I once saw - but of course I forgot where. Does anyone remember? Rense Lange http://isoar.ca/~andrewm/rc/JRxp8103/ Matt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Hera For Sale
I HAVE A HERA FOR SALE ON EBAY...THANKS http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5927745073ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 -- onethermal onethermal's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=44186 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=287689 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS: Eraser 2000 Tip Panels White/Red
FS: Eraser 2000 Tip Panels White/Red Left tip perfect w/piece of led glued in servo well to balance out the bad right tip. Right tip midair damage and repaired with CA and tape. Servo horn broke while removing servo. I flew them for a year like this. $175 plus shipping for the pair as shown here: http://www.pbase.com/mdm/tips Email: michaeldmoore_AT_hotmail.com -- MDM MDM's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=7716 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=287863 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Broadband Over Powerline approved
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't the wireless company have a duty of sorts to stay out of frequencies they're not assigned? I thought that if they were found interfering with other frequencies they could be fined... In general this is the case with any commercial product or service that emits radiation. However, the FCC's intent in this case apparently is to give power companies a free pass to radiate across the entire 2-30 mhz spectrum, remediating their interference only if those affected can win a court battle. (Actually, the present BPL specs probably wouldn't affect RC planes operating on 72, as no 72 mhz energy would be radiated by power lines). The military, forest service, emergency services, police and fbi, and numerous private companies including military contractors, all filed briefs opposing the deployment of BPL. In some BPL tests, deployment has been abandoned because of interference. In others, the companies have decided that the idea is uneconomic. A Carnegie-Mellon study of BPL economics suggests that it will cost the power company about $40 per subscriber per month in urban areas, more than the retail price charged by competing internet providers. The costs in rural areas are expected to be much higher. Despite all this, there will doubtless be some companies who will try it, so a long battle lies ahead for those who oppose BPL. It is very possible that some day the HF spectrum will be gone, filled only with the buzz of radiation that would have been illegal until last Thursday. This noise, similar to what you hear on your AM car radio when you tune between stations and race the motor, shall henceforth be called Powell noise. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Supra Pod
Hi All, This probably isnt the best place to post this but Ive already tried in the Allegro Lite forum with no response. Does anyone know of a source for the Supra Pod? I'm getting ready to start on one (well, in a month or 2) and some people in my club are interested in building one as well. I could make a mold but I really don't want to put THAT much time into it. Thanks! Jared RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Multiplex Dart for sale!
Brand new Multiplex Dart HLG for sale, new in box. $100 plus actual postage gets it to you. Dave Darling Modesto, CA Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at a href=http://www.BigValley.net;www.BigValley.net/a RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Rich Burnowski
Friend of mine told me you had good push rods for the Mantis, if so please drop me a ping. Thanks, John hauff
Re: [RCSE] Broadband Over Powerline approved
Frequency Committee Advisory (Added 2/17/04) Action taken by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has resulted in a unanimous vote by the commissioners to approve a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) regarding the use of Broadband Over Power Lines (BPL). The announcement, which occurred February 12, 2004, follows action taken on the subject in 2003 referred to as a Notice of Inquiry. During the past several months references to BPL have appeared in AMA publications. The most recent can be found in the Technical Director's column in the February issue of Model Aviation. References have also been made in the On the Fly column in the magazine and on the AMA Web site. The concept involved in BPL centers around the transmission of broadband information over the common power lines which serve homes and businesses. Such operations would, in the words of the FCC, be an important step toward increasing the availability of broadband in rural and underserved areas because power lines reach virtually every home and community in the country. Unfortunately, this type of transmission creates a condition in which radio frequency radiation may be emitted from the power line! Please understand, that as of this date, AMA has no solid evidence that BPL can or will cause interference problems to our operations. The concept has been used by power companies for many years in order to send peak power commands to shut down devices in homes and businesses. In the initial Notice of Inquiry issued by the FCC during 2003, the frequencies being considered at that time for use with this type of transmission were situated between 1.8 MHz and 80 MHz. This of course, encompasses all the frequencies currently designated for model use. Knowledge of the plan prompted AMA to file with the FCC, indicating our concern regarding the potential for interference to our operations. Further, we urged that the interference potential be researched prior to BPL being allowed. Contrary to the historical approach taken by the FCC, the current NPRM action suggests their desire is to forge ahead with the concept and then attempting to resolve interference issues as they may arise. While this does not appear to be a reasonable, logical or safe approach, the NPRM may be an attempt by the FCC to gather technical information from those parties which may be potentially affected by BPL. It should be noted that the actual rule making document is not yet available, so key elements including the actual frequencies involved, are as yet unknown. We cannot begin to assess the overall impact until that document is made public. Be assured, that just as in 1992 with the FCC 92-235 rule making which proposed the addition of new frequencies in our band, we will subject the document to careful scrutiny and determine an appropriate course of action. We are currently working through our attorney who represents AMA before the FCC. We have been assured that we join a very large group of communications related industries and groups who are voicing concerns regarding the proposal. These voices include ARRL (Amateur or Hams) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). They recognize that a solid communication link for use in times of homeland security issues and natural disasters must be relatively free from interference. Studies by the ARRL have indicated the radio frequency noise levels which may be created by BPL operations could be harmful to such a link. We currently are establishing a liaison with ARRL and other concerned groups in an effort to gather information. It is hoped that the actual rule making document will be available for study soon. In the interim, we will continue to gather information, not only from the important studies conducted by ARRL, but from contacts we have made with one of the BPL test studies being performed in the United States. Chairman Michael Powell has stated, I am confident that the proposals we adopt today balance the potential benefits of BPL services and give careful consideration of the potential interference from BPL operations by establishing new requirements that will help minimize harmful interference that may occur and guidelines for measurement of radio frequency (RF) emissions from carrier current systems. Unfortunately, at present the Academy is not in a position to properly assess the meaning of minimize or may in that statement, relative to any impact on our activities. Members may obtain additional information by visiting the FCC Web site at www.fcc.gov and the ARRL Web site at www.arrl.org. While these sites will not provide any information directly relating to possible impact on our operations, they will provide insights into the matter as a whole. It is the current AMA position that any individual member comments to the FCC are premature at this time due to the current lack of definitive information. As it becomes available and after it has been
Re: [RCSE] Supra Pod
Try Bud Elder Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] Supra Pod Hi All, This probably isn't the best place to post this.but I've already tried in the Allegro Lite forum with no response. Does anyone know of a source for the Supra Pod? I'm getting ready to start on one (well, in a month or 2) and some people in my club are interested in building one as well. I could make a mold but I really don't want to put THAT much time into it. Thanks! Jared RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Solar Power Conversion...
Several members on this list privately asked me for more information on my solar plane. One afternoon I had the wild idea to submit my solar power conversion circuit to a Circuit AVR contest. I was rushed and only had about one day to try and throw the bits together. The Presentation Quality is suspect, but maybe some useful information can be had. Beware the zip file is large, 8M , you probably want to start with the contained doc file. http://www.rasdoc.com/splinter/EntryA3691.zip Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] WTB Dodgson Saber fuse
I am looking to buy a fuse for a Dodgson Saber. Maybe a kit, whole airplane, etc. Open to anything. Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bird of time decal the large one
I have a bird of time large decal {New} for sale $10.00 + shipping.
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[RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Are there any good hobby shops in the Santa Ana area? I will be out there on business this week and will likely have some time to kill in the evenings. Would like to poke around in a good shop or hook up with one of you locals to see what you guys are flying and where. Thanks, John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] The Original Pumpkin Fly- CSS 25th anniversary
WEATHER! - always an impossible task for the CD. Online weather reports keep guys away when the weather's bad. I think those that came would acknowledge a fun weekend in spite of the wind and a bit of rain on Saturday. Since it rained on Friday, poured rain on Monday in Cincinnati, I guess we should be grateful for reasonable (sort of) weather last weekend. Saturday was very windy, our contests usually draw 30 to 40 fliers; 9 intrepid souls showed up for Saturday's grand adventure. Of the 9, 3 are level V, 4 level IV; every pilot had a time in the 2 minute range - winds average 20 + gusty. Challenging conditions to say the least. We started the day with a 6 minute task due to the wind. Guys went out and found some wave with lift, almost everyone made time. Moved the task to 8 minutes next round- 5:08 max time- with lots of 3 minute times- moved back to 6 for the rest of the day- flew six rounds - very few maxs the rest of the day. Happily, we discussed the value of the trophies, and the value of our toys. No serious damage to anyones plane. Sunday promised to be better weather and 19 (not 20) pilots showed up. Again, the wind played a real factor, but now 10 to 15 + . We had some thermal activity, some wave work and tough soaring again. Of the 19 pilots, all but one had a 3 minute or less flight during the day; some very nasty sink around. Another day of no hurt planes in despite an off field miraculous landing. We tried those midwest seeded man-on-man longer times, 6, 8 then 10. Marc Gellart got the long time, only guy to get near the 10 minute max at 9:57. Given the skill levels of the guys flying, this was no landing contest. Talking to guys, everyone seemed pumped to get hooked and work some air for a max, it really took all your soaring skill both days. Gordy Stahl (yes he has a last name) got the overall champion award. See the pixs on our website soon. A big thanks to all that came to support this time honored event. We hope to see more of you in the spring. The Voice of America Park where we fly is wonderful open space to fly, come next time!! Full results at: www.cincinnatisoaring.orggive our trusty webmaster, Steve Siebenaler a couple of days to get them posted. Top five Saturday 1. Barry Andersen 2. Gordy Stahl 3. Paul Sherman 4. Marc Gellart 5. Steve Siebenaler Top five Sunday 1. Gordy Stahl 2. Martin Doney 3. Tom Scully 4. Marc Gellart 5. Steve Siebenaler Barry Andersen Cincinnati Soaring Society home of the original Great Hallowed Pumpkin Fly RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
On 10/18/04 17:31 John Hayes wrote: Are there any good hobby shops in the Santa Ana area? I will be out there on business this week and will likely have some time to kill in the evenings. Would like to poke around in a good shop or hook up with one of you locals to see what you guys are flying and where. About the best around is Gyro Hobbies. It is off I-5 south at Lake Forest. Turn right, go to the Shell station on the left, turn left there and immediately right into the shopping center across from the Shell. Gyro is located around to the front facing Lake Forest. About 15 minutes from Santa Ana, depending on where exactly you are. They close these days at 7 PM. Great all around shop. Lots of foamies and other stuff. About one of the best around that I have seen. We also have a Hobby People on the other side of the freeway from Gyro. But that about sums it up. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Great! thanks Bill, I will actually be in Tustin, so that sounds close. I'll check it out. John Hayes - Original Message - From: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area On 10/18/04 17:31 John Hayes wrote: Are there any good hobby shops in the Santa Ana area? I will be out there on business this week and will likely have some time to kill in the evenings. Would like to poke around in a good shop or hook up with one of you locals to see what you guys are flying and where. About the best around is Gyro Hobbies. It is off I-5 south at Lake Forest. Turn right, go to the Shell station on the left, turn left there and immediately right into the shopping center across from the Shell. Gyro is located around to the front facing Lake Forest. About 15 minutes from Santa Ana, depending on where exactly you are. They close these days at 7 PM. Great all around shop. Lots of foamies and other stuff. About one of the best around that I have seen. We also have a Hobby People on the other side of the freeway from Gyro. But that about sums it up. ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] V tail angle?
I, too, made that mistake when assembling a WACO Mosquito HL plane many years ago. I called Frank Weston and asked if it would be a major problem. His response was try it.I did and the plane flew beautifully. Well, it didn't thermal worth a darn, but I had no yaw problems. Robert Samuels.St. Louis From: David Nasatir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] V tail angle? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:14:16 -0700 How will a 120 degree rather than a 110 degree angle of the V tail affect performance? OK, so I'm hard at work on my 2 meter pod and boom V tail hand launch/slope soarer built according to the strictest TLAR criteria.. I thought I had everything properly rigged to get a 110 degree angle on the V tail but, like the craftsman, himself, somethings seem to have sagged. So now I have a 120 degree angle. I do have ailerons but will I have enough yaw stability? Should I rip off the empennage and try again, or will I be able to compensate in flight? Note: I never enter competitions, I just like to go hang with the guys who do and have an excuse to watch and listen to them. Thanks. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Malvey's Got Balls, REAL BALLS!!
OK, I'm a little excited, and it's not because I just left the Jenna Jameson site either. I got my custom built by the Winch Doctor His Own Bad Self Deluxe REAL BALLS winch today. If you even think you want a winch, this has got to be near the top of your list. It is a thing of beauty. Almost too nice to actually use. Unfortunately I have to wait a week before I can. Going to be flying the big gassers in Tucson this weekend. Little thing they call the Tucson Shootout. But next weekend, oh yeah!! Thanks Doug. You do awesome work my friend (no really, he is my friend, we've known each other since we were kids in Phoenix, no kidding, no really, he's a friend, OK??). I will be selling rides on this beauty at a cost of $5.00 per wing snapping launch staring soon!! (Gotta get back my investment somehow, OK?). ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Malvey's Got Balls, REAL BALLS!!
Want to have some real fun, load some mono on it. At 09:58 PM 10/18/2004, Bill Malvey wrote: OK, I'm a little excited, and it's not because I just left the Jenna Jameson site either. I got my custom built by the Winch Doctor His Own Bad Self Deluxe REAL BALLS winch today. If you even think you want a winch, this has got to be near the top of your list. It is a thing of beauty. Almost too nice to actually use. Unfortunately I have to wait a week before I can. Going to be flying the big gassers in Tucson this weekend. Little thing they call the Tucson Shootout. But next weekend, oh yeah!! Thanks Doug. You do awesome work my friend (no really, he is my friend, we've known each other since we were kids in Phoenix, no kidding, no really, he's a friend, OK??). I will be selling rides on this beauty at a cost of $5.00 per wing snapping launch staring soon!! (Gotta get back my investment somehow, OK?). ~~~ Bill Malvey Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] looking for a hlg
Greetings! Someone, I believe in the greater Seattle area, was offering a smallish DLG type plane. I believe it was a foamie, but I'm not sure. They had a film clip on their web site showing launches and some remarkable heights the plane could get to. I've lost that web site/source for the plane. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks, Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Ultimate Hobbies in Tustin off the 55 freeway. JAXs hobbies on Brookhurst off the 405 freeway. Gyro Hobbies off the I5 freeway in Lake Forest. Pegasus hobbies (worth the trip) off the 10 freeway. Hobby People's main store in Costa Mesa (or Fountain Valley, I fergit). E-Hobbies store in La Mirada. All but E-Hobbies and Pegasus Hobbies are within driving distance at night in Orange County (Pegasus is way up the 57 freeway to the I10, and east on the I10 in San Bernadino County, and E-Hobbies is in L.A. County) . Pegasus has tons-o-stuff. Makes Gyro look like a Piker (Superior). Where in Santa Ana _exactly_ are you staying? See between 4pm and 7pm the freeways can be a real challenge for anyone not used to 6 lanes (in one direction!) of bumper to bumper California drivers. Best to stay on surface streets if possible. Ultimate Hobbies, JAXs, and Hobby People fit that description if one is in Santa Ana (like around John Wayne Airport and South Coast Metro). Gryo, E-Hobbies, and Pegasus do not. Best wishes, Jeff in La Habra Heights, CA = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Tustin? You'll be on top of Ultimate Hobbies on Tustin Avenue. And closer to JAXs and Hobby People's Warehouse store in Fountain Valley than Gryo. Not to say you shouldn't go to Gyro... that's cool and you'll be close to Bill I suppose (we have not met). Hobby People's warehouse store is down the 55 freeway (south) which runs next to Tustin Aveune, down to the I405 north three or four exits to the Euclid Street exit. That exit curves around almost 180 degrees. You'll stay to the right and turn right onto ELLIS (not Left on EUCLID! tho don't panic, you can always turn around). Then follow Ellis around and under the freeway and Hobby People is on your right a few blocks down. PLUS: If you keep going on Ellis (turn right when leaving Hobby People) to Brookhurst and turn right on Brookhurst, go one block or so over the freeway, on the left in a strip mall is JAXs Hobbies. And Ultimate Hobbies is all the way up Tustin Avenue between Katella and Nolh Ranch Road on the left also in a strip mall type building (on the left if going north on Tustin Avenue). If you stay a weekend, there are glider guiders not too far from JAXs and Hobby Poeple to be found at Fairview Park in Costa Mesa. Electric flyers are there every single morning it is clear and not windy (which is most days!). Best wishes Jeff = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
The Weasel? http://www.dream-flight.com/ Kristopher - Original Message - From: Cheryl and Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone refresh my memory? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
I should also mention that on occasion, if you are in SoCal and have a glider (or can/want to borrow one), both of my clubs, HSS and SWSA, host some of the toughest, but very low key and fun competitions in the country. Often the club flyers and the 'guest' flyers list reads like a whose who of Slope, TD, and HLG competition. It's a competition flyers heaven. Am I lying Dan? No promises of course. Best Jeff = --- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. - W.C. Fields What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? - W.C. Fields RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
At 08:51 PM 10/18/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Weasel? http://www.dream-flight.com/ That was not it, but very similar. Cute little thing, thanks for the lead. Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
You are looking for the Seeker by Scobie Putchler from http://www.liftworx.com/206-633-1206 --Glenn W.Tri-Cities, Wa Do you Yahoo!?vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
It's got to be Scobie Puchtler... Check this out:www.liftworx.com Russ Young - Original Message - From: Cheryl and Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] looking for a hlg Greetings! Someone, I believe in the greater Seattle area, was offering a smallish DLG type plane. I believe it was a foamie, but I'm not sure. They had a film clip on their web site showing launches and some remarkable heights the plane could get to. I've lost that web site/source for the plane. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks, Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
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Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
It may not be Los Banosbut the Urban Slope at Gasworks Park in Seattle is great for these small HLG's http://www.liftworx.com/videoclips/seekerflight.html Nice view too Russ - Original Message - From: Cheryl and Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] looking for a hlg Greetings! Someone, I believe in the greater Seattle area, was offering a smallish DLG type plane. I believe it was a foamie, but I'm not sure. They had a film clip on their web site showing launches and some remarkable heights the plane could get to. I've lost that web site/source for the plane. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks, Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
At 09:29 PM 10/18/2004, you wrote: You are looking for the Seeker by Scobie Putchler from http://www.liftworx.com/ 206-633-1206 YEAH!! THAT'S IT! Thanks, Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA
Re: [RCSE] Hobby shops in Santa Ana area
Jeff is right on top of things with his previous posts. I personally think Jax, while smaller, has more soaring related stuff, but either way, gliders are a small part of their core business, unlike cars, boats, and slimers. Jax's slimer focus has dwindled quite a bit by the closure of the premier Mile Square Park for flying, and now the whole store is struggling, in fact it's for sale if anyone wants to try to make it go. If you are into electrics or slopers, one of the best toy stores you will ever find is not too far away in Covina, close to Temple Hill which is a great slopeing destination. It's the headquarters of SoaringUSA.com. Everything you see on the website, and actually quite a bit more is available for drooling and fondling at our warehouse facility. Call ahead for a visit. The contact info is on our website. Welcome to SoCal. Ignore the rain, it's our 5 days allocated this year for rain :-) Nathan Woods www.soaringusa.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
You probably were thinking of the Goblin. I sold mine a while back to Jim Deck for a whopping $25 bucks. I just found the manual for it the other day. First class documentation. Anybody need it? Wiggle your sticks David Judson -Original Message- From: Cheryl and Bill Subject: [RCSE] looking for a hlg Greetings! Someone, I believe in the greater Seattle area, was offering a smallish DLG type plane. I believe it was a foamie, but I'm not sure. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks, Bill -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] looking for a hlg
Oh, the non-foamy was the Ion, or maybe Ionosphere. It had a kevlar pod with access only from the wing area. -Original Message- From: Cheryl and Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] looking for a hlg Greetings! Someone, I believe in the greater Seattle area, was offering a smallish DLG type plane. I believe it was a foamie, but I'm not sure. They had a film clip on their web site showing launches and some remarkable heights the plane could get to. I've lost that web site/source for the plane. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks, Bill -- He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither. -Ben Franklin. Bill Johns Cheryl Greenstreet Colton, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
