[RCSE] For sale: JR channel 03 receiver crystal - ham band(new)

2005-05-22 Thread glide








For sale: JR channel 03 receiver crystal for ham band JR
receiver (R700). It is brand new. $10.00 plus $4.00 priority mail shipping.



Check or money order (no Paypal please). Checks must clear
prior to shipping.



Contact me if interested  ham pilots only.



Al Battad  WH6VE










[RCSE] For sale: JR 600 mAh transmitter battery from XP 9303

2005-05-22 Thread glide








For sale: JR 600 mAh OEM transmitter battery (white
connector) from a XP 9303 transmitter. FWIW, the battery is brand new. I
upgraded to a larger capacity battery. Horizon Hobby lists it for $29. Im
selling it for $20 plus $4 priority mail shipping. Contact me if interested.



Best regards,



Al Battad  WH6VE












[RCSE] Contest Announcement

2005-05-22 Thread RCsoarnut
1st anual Polecat Challange, 7th or 8th Great Year (can't remember for sure)

June 18th and 19th

Located on the Carlisle Aeromodelers field near Carlisle PA.

2 days of DLG handlaunch competition and fun. Fly with the likes of Phil Barnes, Oleg Golovidov, Don Vetter, Bruce Davidson, Tom Kiesling and yes, even Dr. Drela himself. Rumor has it that contestants will be coming from as far away as Washington state and Oklahoma this year. Even Doug Pike comes down from Canada. Randy Brust from Soaring Circuits. Any one and everyone!

This is a premium thermal field, no slope soaring contests:-) We always have a great time and some extra carricular activities will be planned. Last year we did saturday night limbo with everyone flying my Red Wing. It was a hoot and the boys beat my plane to death before they would stop. Lunch is provided at the field both days. We fly both sportsman and expert classes with trophys for both classes both days and overall trophys on sunday in both. This year will also include an experimental "limited" class which includes the sub 50" built up stuff now available like the Gambler and the DL50

This is a great way to learn and improve your skills! Most times experts will be timing for sportsman, etc. The big guys are free with advice, be it set up, flying or launch. Past attendees can verify the value of finally giving in and attending your first contest. There will be an outstanding raffle on sunday and all pilots for the weekend will recieve tickets included in their entry fees.

Saturday will be a very full day with pilots meeting at 9:00 and flying starting at 9:15 following Saturdays flying and trophy presentation there will be clinics by some of the best including Phil Barnes, Oleg and others. In an effort to thank all attendees, customers and friends for all the support anf help all this will be followed by a BBQ at the field Saturday evening. We will try to finish up Sunday by 3:00 or so as a lot of guys have some major traveling to do 

In addition the Polecat Challenge is one of the contests in the ESL HL series for those that plan on competeing in theis series.

The easiest way to register is through the esl web site at http://www.flyesl.com/calendar.asp

Some pictures from last year are currently on the web site (www.polecataero.com) and all contest info. There will only be 2 pilots max per frequency so get your registrations in early. Untill the info and form are on the web site you can e-mail me your info. Cost for the weekend is $35 or 1 day only is $20. PRE Registration only!

Now about all you NY guys making noise about no contests, Canadian Dudes have your series, bring it on down for a weekend.

This is not a venture for profit. After contest expenses, lunchs, raffle and such are covered if there is a profit it is donated to the Carlisle Aeromodelers youth training fund for club trainers, fuel, etc. The CAMs club graciously lets me use there field for a full weekend every year in prime flying season for the contest. Not bad for a 100 member club that is primary power flyers:-)

 The Raffle is awesome and same as last year outside ticket sales will be taken. Tickets are 6 for $25 and you can send a check or PayPal and your stubs will be returned by mail with the winners posted a day or two after the contest.


THE RAFFLE CURRENTLY INCLUDES (in no particular order)





XP-4 from Polecat
Push-E-Cat kit from Polecat
RedWing kit from Polecat
Taboo from Oleg
Items from Isthmus models
BC-6's and Alti2 from Sheldon at YNTudesign
RAM2 Altimiter Soaring Circiuts
Gambler from Wright Bros
DL 50 from Matt at Mountain Models
DVD's from Paul at Radio Carbon Art
Kit from Jack at Leading Edge Gliders
Sport Tube donated by my friend Ed Franz
Apogee from ECM



Denny Maize
Polecat Aero
717-789-0146
www.polecataero.com


RE: [RCSE] Winch Batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Steve Meyer


Whoever moves a liquid lead acid battery around without a battery box is
a fool. Their vehicle must be full of white spots and holes in the
floor.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1296485cp=1254885.1255161.1260970parentPage=family

At 01:08 PM 5/21/2005, Jim Laurel wrote:
For
our club winches at SASS, we use pairs of Trojan 6v batteries, wired in
series. These are powerful and durable, but they do get to be a
mess when carried around to and from the field for charging. I’ve
already burned a hole in my shorts from the acid.

For my personal winch, I use blue top Optimas, which are just
fantastic. They are compact, and never leak. Each one seems
to have plenty of power for a day of flying for 5-6 open class
planes. I usually bring two for a full day of flying with
friends. I tried the yellow top deep cycle and found that they
didn’t seem to give as much torque. The blue tops are deep
cycle/starting marine batteries.

--Jim Laurel



From: David Whitaker
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:43 PM
To: RCSE
Subject: [RCSE] Winch Batteries

I know this was discussed some time
ago. And I didn't pay attention then. Now I need the
information. What is the best battery to use for winches.


Thanks

Dave W



Re: [RCSE] The NOS dead horse beating.......again

2005-05-22 Thread Ray Hayes
Just so you folks interested in building your own once in while know, here
is a break down of what is happening at Wood Crafters next week for about 60
entrants.

Special Events Thur/Fri and number of entrants:

Windfree ONLY =  8MOM Hi Start 60  = 17
Ray's MOM Hi Start Mini Fun Scale = 9
2 Minute Ladder = 32   Longest Flight = 29

Saturday and Sunday Soar In Championship entrants:

2 Meter Unlimited  = 29   100 RES = 38
Unlimited  =  39

Separate Categories within the Soar In Championship:

Best Challenger  =  6 Best OLY ll  = 11
Best Astro Jeff   =  5

Scale, four day aero tow/winch event:

Gordon's Rules =  11
Ray's Unlimited Fun Scale  =  15

Does this look like fun to you 

Ray Hayes
http://www.skybench.com
Home of Wood Crafters
- Original Message - 
From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ray Hayes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] The NOS dead horse beating...again


 Dear Blabby,

 Since my name was mentioned, and not in vain, I guess
 a comment here is appropriate. The fact is that the
 list isn't the only source of eligibility. I, too,
 have a nostalgia design from 1977 called the Magic
 Carpet that is not eligible. It was designed for
 Johnnie Casburn who thought he wanted some of the
 glider kit market. He was in Ft. Worth and had a hobby
 shop and a kit mfg. business, making sport power
 models with a foam wing. It hung in his shop for
 years, until he sold it to someone else. It was orange
 and silver. I may try to scan some of the pics I have
 of it.

 Unfortunately, and this isn't a personal dig at Jack
 Iafret, the keeper of the rules wasn't around all that
 much in the days. As Ray said, some built stock
 models, but most of us gave them their own personal
 touches. For instance, I never fully sheeted wings,
 but usually took the top sheeting back an extra inch,
 a practice I still use with good results. In a contest
 where things are checked, that would disqualify my
 Windfree and my Grand Esprit. I will say that in fact
 some have presented models that should be allowed to
 the list, but they ain't there... draw your own
 conclusions.

 The Miller mods for the Aquila, if they're allowed,
 then why not the Womack mods for the Legionair. Why
 not the Legionair 132, which by all accounts and all
 opinions save one, should be there. After all, a 132
 has been flown at the NOS NATS, with the keeper as
 the CD.

 Airfoil changes, planform changes, etc., I can
 understand why these should not be allowed. I would
 NOT have allowed the dihedral changes to accomodate
 the spar mods. That's a planform change. It can change
 the way the design performs and flys. Why was that
 compromise made and the rest kept so strict? I gave up
 on the Nostalgia class when informed that a carbon
 fiber tail boom would not be allowed for a Legionair.
 This mod would have much less effect on the design
 than a dihedral change.

 The fact is that Nostalgia class models are a pain to
 build, if you can find a kit. If not, you may have to
 do the old scratch builders boogie. I built some
 Legionairs that way, pod and all. It was rewarding, to
 say the least. Imagine my disappointment had one been
 a 132, and I had driven from Texas to Muncie, only to
 be told I couldn't fly. There it is. DISSAPOINTMENT.
 That's why Nostalgia's growth is dead. Until someone
 steps up to revive it with some realistic rules, dead
 it will remain. It won't be me, as I have backed away
 and jumped off into flying full-scale with both feet.
 The rules are simpler...

 Will someone please kick this soap box over and knock
 me off of it?!?!

 Dissappointed in Houston.
 (Jack Womack)


 --- Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I too am disappointed with the way Nostalgia at the
  Nats has developed.  I
  understand the necessity of using the existing
  winches even though they are
  much too strong and have too heavy line since it is
  not practicable to have
  special winches for one class.  I do object to
  restricting it to one day
  combined with RES while wasting two days on 2-meter,
  a class very few would
  be flying if it wasn't  sandwiched between hand
  launch and unlimited.  I
  also object to flying modern man on man tasks and
  landings instead of the
  tasks and landings as flown at the SOAR Nats.  The
  old events are much more
  suited to the old models.  I have entered Nostalgia
  every year since it was
  first proposed at the LSF tournament in 1994 and
  flown in all but
  four.  The first two years were rained out and I
  didn't stay for the last
  two because of the weather forecast.  (My wife was
  with me and getting
  tired.)   I will not be entering Nostalgia this
  year.  It is not worth
  spending another night and paying the high entry
  fees for three
  flights.  Another day will cost at least $100 or $33
  per flight.  Maybe I
  will go back to flying my Sailaire in 

[RCSE] looking for a new home

2005-05-22 Thread Bill Johns
A copy of Don Edberg's Getting the most out of Futaba's 8 Channel  
Radio Control System  Includes Super 8 model.  If you use this model  
Tx, this book is most handy.


Free to a good home, you pay shipping.


Cheers,

Bill
---
Never judge a day by the weather.

Bill Johns
Colton, WA

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[RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Dave Brombaugh
Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
but also for DLG's?

In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the building
table).

I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
(AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
all like to shop for batteries.

I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, which
is why I'm making this into a more general question.

Thanks again in advance, all!
-   Dave


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RE: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread George A Voss
Cheapbatteries.com

-Original Message-
From: Dave Brombaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:40 AM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] Buying batteries

Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
but also for DLG's?

In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the building
table).

I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
(AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
all like to shop for batteries.

I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, which
is why I'm making this into a more general question.

Thanks again in advance, all!
-   Dave


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Re: [RCSE] looking for a new home

2005-05-22 Thread Ed Jett
I have bought from BatteriesAmerica.com and from Cheapbatterypacks.com. 
I've been satisfied with the batteries and the service from both vendors.


I have bought from SR Batteries in the past, but it is hard for me to 
justify the extra price of their packs.  They do seem to be excellent 
quality.


Ed Jett
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Soaring Yahoo Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: [RCSE] looking for a new home


A copy of Don Edberg's Getting the most out of Futaba's 8 Channel  Radio 
Control System  Includes Super 8 model.  If you use this model  Tx, this 
book is most handy.


Free to a good home, you pay shipping.


Cheers,

Bill
---
Never judge a day by the weather.

Bill Johns
Colton, WA

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Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Ed Jett

Dave:

I have bought from BatteriesAmerica.com and from Cheapbatterypacks.com. 
I've been satisfied with the batteries and the service from both vendors.


I have bought from SR Batteries in the past, but it is hard for me to 
justify the extra price of their packs.  They do seem to be excellent 
quality.


Ed Jett

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Brombaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Buying batteries



Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
but also for DLG's?

In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the building
table).

I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
(AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
all like to shop for batteries.

I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, which
is why I'm making this into a more general question.

Thanks again in advance, all!
- Dave





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RE: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread CapnCrunchie
As George said, Cheapbatteries.com . They are da Bomb!

I have become disenchanted with the batteriesamerica no-name nimh cells that have let me down several times,once after only6 months. I now will onlyuse nimhs that are GoldPeak(GP), KAN or CBP (cheapbattery packs). I am continuosly checking my packs and for the last 3 years have always obtained the performance as claimed from GoldPeak/KAN. I am still running cells thatwere 270mah rated that now sellas 350mah for the same size. Yet, they still put out the 270mah I ask for. BTW this gives me 2.5 hrs on my javelin hlg's that I fly on the slope during the winter. I have done this MANY times with juice left over when checked on the Sirius discharger at the end of the day.I run GoldPeak 2000 cells in my Stylus and seldom need to use my back up pack. If I do, it is becuase of extensive aircraft setup "ON" time for the TX.

But, then again, each to his own

Blue skies,
Capn Crunchie__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Richard Hallett
I go to WalMart and buy the newest high capacity AA cells that they are 
offering.  I have always found that the first charging has  to be slow 
but after that I recharge at 1 amp.  I am using these in a 6 servo 
glider and have found that I usually use about 600 ma during an evening 
of flying.  The Rx drain fairly closely matches the Tx drain of the Evo. 

This  of course only answers half your question since you wanted cells 
for smaller planes too.


Rick
Richard Hallett Pittsfield ME

Dave Brombaugh wrote:


Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
but also for DLG's?

In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the building
table).

I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
(AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
all like to shop for batteries.

I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, which
is why I'm making this into a more general question.

Thanks again in advance, all!
-   Dave


 


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Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?

2005-05-22 Thread DUWorm




In a message dated 5/3/2005 3:18:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sherman,In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) 
  scale sailplane. Thesailplanes wing uses six servos  three servos 
  per side. The wing isdesigned for three servos per side. (I 
  would prefer not using mechanicallinkages, and using software mixing 
  instead.) Thus the wing servos wouldoperate L  R flap, L  
  R inboard aileron, and L  R outboard/tip ailerons.I would like the 
  outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboardailerons  but 
  possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to60~80% travel 
  compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the 
  sailplanecharacteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or 
  reduce thepercentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the 
  outboard andinboard ailerons.Thank you,Cameron 
  Ninham

If you use all the dedicated mixes with the 9303, you have Three channels 
and nondedicated mixes available. It would be fairly simple to mix 
masteraileron to outboard aileron (Aux2?) and mirror image the same with 
right aileron. Soone mix for each side. that would allow you 
work those outboard ailerons,

For the master, select Ail+. This means that the dual rate, expo rate 
and trim settings of the aileron are mirrored to the outboard aileron. For 
slave, use, I believe Aux2 and Aux3. Mixes would allow you to have these 
turn on or off or to two separate mix rates depending on switch location. 


I have not actually done this on an airplane yet, (dont have any 6 servo 
wings to experement on) Please let me know what you finally come up with 
or if you have nay feedback to my comments. I an courious to find out if 
the differential settings of the ailerons are transferred to the outboard 
ailerons.

thanks again 

Sherman 
KnightThe Law Offices of Sherman L Knight5400 Carillon PointKirkland 
WA 98033425-576-4028 wk425-576-4029 fax425-822-9305 
hm[EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail


RE: [RCSE] HELP: JR XP9303 setup with six servo wing?

2005-05-22 Thread John Derstine









Another way is to use a
matchbox on the outer tiperons, which will allow you
to accomplish what you want, plus use only one additional channel, plus give
you the ability to mix the outer ailerons with various other control functions
such as rudder for example, at the flick of a switch.

JD





Endless Mountain Models

http://www.scalesoaring.com

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] HELP: JR
XP9303 setup with six servo wing?







In a message dated 5/3/2005 3:18:46 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Sherman,

In my case I am considering a large 4.5 meter (177) scale sailplane. The
sailplanes wing uses six servos  three servos per side. The wing is
designed for three servos per side. (I would prefer not using mechanical
linkages, and using software mixing instead.) Thus the wing servos would
operate L  R flap, L  R inboard aileron, and L  R outboard/tip
ailerons.
I would like the outboard ailerons to match the movement of the inboard
ailerons  but possibly reduce the total travel of the outboard ailerons to
60~80% travel compared to the inboard ailerons. Depending on the
sailplane
characteristics, e.g. adverse yaw, I may need to increase or reduce the
percentage of mixing and the ratio of movement between the outboard and
inboard ailerons.

Thank you,

Cameron Ninham







If you use all the dedicated mixes with
the 9303, you have Three channels and nondedicated mixes available. It
would be fairly simple to mix masteraileron to outboard aileron (Aux2?)
and mirror image the same with right aileron. Soone mix for each
side. that would allow you work those outboard ailerons,











For the master, select Ail+. This
means that the dual rate, expo rate and trim settings of the aileron are
mirrored to the outboard aileron. For slave, use, I believe Aux2 and
Aux3. Mixes would allow you to have these turn on or off or to two
separate mix rates depending on switch location. 











I have not actually done this on an
airplane yet, (dont have any 6 servo wings to experement on) Please let
me know what you finally come up with or if you have nay feedback to my
comments. I an courious to find out if the differential settings of the
ailerons are transferred to the outboard ailerons.











thanks again 









Sherman
Knight
The Law Offices of Sherman L Knight
5400 Carillon Point
Kirkland WA 98033
425-576-4028 wk
425-576-4029 fax
425-822-9305 hm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail














Re: [RCSE] Lithium battery disposal

2005-05-22 Thread Art Mcnamee
Hi Martin and all,
If the battery covering is puffed up don.t poke a pin in it or it will pop and burst into flame
right now. Be sure you have slowly discharged it all the way first.
They can be scary.
Regards, ArtMartin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That procedure for disposing of LiPoly sounds a lot like what people used to do in England in WW2 to disarm an unexploded bomb(OK, so what they were doing was discharging a battery/capacitor that was part of the electric fuse mechanism, not neutralizing a modern type of battery but it has the same sort of ring to it)Martin UsherRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format

[RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread GordySoar



Since the external antenna is back ordered, I only had the unit 
itself.
The advertised range is 'up to 300 feet' but in fact that is an 
accurate statement...it is 'possible' for it to work at that but everything has 
to be just right. 
Its real range is about 50' on the field with cars, tents, trees in the 
its line of sight.

It works GREAT and everyone should own one, but be clear, it is not for 
checking the general flying site for competing signals...at least not without 
the external antenna.

There was a guy about half way to the turn arounds on flying an electric 
and it did not read it, and I was at my truck on the parking area and about 100' 
away there were TX's on and I was not reading it.

Inspite of all that, pretty much everyone there is ordering one, very tiny 
and easy to use before you turn on anything else and a nice device to verify 
your TX synth module dial is reading a 6 not an 8 :-)

Gordy


[RCSE] Giant Scale Sailplane wanted

2005-05-22 Thread George A Voss
I've found 2 5M sailplanes that have piqued my interest.  Thanks for
everyone's submissions.  gv

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[RCSE] 5M Krause Libelle Wanted

2005-05-22 Thread George A Voss
Well, I thought I found a 5M plane but it is now spoken for.  I'm looking
for a Krause Libelle, the 5M version.  If anyone knows of someone selling
one of these, please let me know.  gv

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[RCSE] Libelle Found

2005-05-22 Thread George A Voss
I found out that John Derstine sells the Libelle so I ordered one from him.
Thanks to all that answered.  gv

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[RCSE] Nats F3J

2005-05-22 Thread Jeff Steifel

I too will be looking for a team...
Any interest.. amongst those looking. :-)

--
Jeff Steifel

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Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread Ed Berris



Gordy, if I'm not mistaken the Multiplex Evo with scanner module will do 
this and more.
Ed

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:52 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the 
  Freq Checker this weekend
  
  Since the external antenna is back ordered, I only had the unit 
  itself.
  The advertised range is 'up to 300 feet' but in fact that is an 
  accurate statement...it is 'possible' for it to work at that but everything 
  has to be just right. 
  Its real range is about 50' on the field with cars, tents, trees in 
  the its line of sight.
  
  It works GREAT and everyone should own one, but be clear, it is not for 
  checking the general flying site for competing signals...at least not without 
  the external antenna.
  
  There was a guy about half way to the turn arounds on flying an electric 
  and it did not read it, and I was at my truck on the parking area and about 
  100' away there were TX's on and I was not reading it.
  
  Inspite of all that, pretty much everyone there is ordering one, very 
  tiny and easy to use before you turn on anything else and a nice device to 
  verify your TX synth module dial is reading a 6 not an 8 :-)
  
  Gordy


Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread miamimike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Since the external antenna is back ordered, I only had the unit itself.

The advertised range is 'up to 300 feet' but in fact that is an accurate 
statement...it is 'possible' for it to work at that but everything has  to be 
just right.  

Its real range is about 50' on the field with cars, tents, trees in its 
line of sight.

It sounds to me like the antenna isn't particularly complicated. You can
probably improvise your own. Try this advice from KillerWatt of
RCGroups.com:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3783493postcount=29

btw..A 1/8 inch stereo-to-stereo right angle audio adapter, when
plugged into the scanner's external socket, and the exposed ground-shield
held in contact to your turned-off TX's extended antenna makes a dandy
pick-up range extender.I found the adapter (# 274-372) at local
RadioShack store kw

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Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread eholt
Dave:

I now buy from Cheap Battery Packs (had a bad cell after a couple of
flights and he replaced it).

Used Batteries America before- no problems

Bought from SR Batteries before and was sent a dead cell and he would not
replace it. I personally would NEVER anything buy from him again. No
matter what his reputation is supposed to be.

Ed
 - Original Message -
 From: Dave Brombaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:39 AM
 Subject: [RCSE] Buying batteries


 Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
 but also for DLG's?

 In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
 cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the building
 table).

 I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
 (AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
 all like to shop for batteries.

 I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, which
 is why I'm making this into a more general question.

 Thanks again in advance, all!
 - Dave




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[RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread mrmaserati
I get can't get in to the assembly instructions on the Kennedy Composites 
website to access the AVA center of gravity.

Does anyone care to share the AVA C of G with us this evening ?

Regards, Dave Corven. 
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Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread miamimike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I get can't get in to the assembly instructions on the Kennedy Composites 
website to access the AVA center of gravity.

Does anyone care to share the AVA C of G with us this evening ?

400 mm or 4 inches. It downloaded okay for me.

http://www.kennedycomposites.com/instructions/ava-v2.7.pdf

6 6/30/2004
Tips
Tow hook can be located back from nose 18-1/8 for aggressive
launching. This measurement is to rear side of tow hook. For initial
launches move adjustable tow hook  forward. When you are
comfortable launching at this point, move tow hook rearward to fit
your flying style.
To set up decalage, mount center wing section and stabilizer. Hold
model from the rear and set the imaginary line that goes through
trailing edge and leading edge of stabilizer parallel with bottom of
wing.
Cant the elevator servo arm forward 15 degrees for more up elevator
control throw.
Suggested balance, control throws and mixer
Balance: 400 mm or ~ 4 from leading edge of wing
Rudder throw: + / - 2 each way.
Elevator throw: +   -  
Spoiler: 7/8 up measured at trailing edge of spoiler
Elevator mix: Up elevator to spoiler 70 % mix.
Decalage: Align centerline of stabilizer parallel with bottom of wing.
Kennedy Composites 2004

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Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread Bill's Email



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 




I get can't get in to the assembly instructions on the Kennedy Composites 
website to access the AVA center of gravity.

Does anyone care to share the AVA C of G with us this evening ?



400 mm or 4 inches. It downloaded okay for me.



Better double check that. 400 millimeters is 15.75 inches

4 inches is 101.6 mm
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Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread mrmaserati
Thanx for the replies, 400 mm aft of the LE at fuse C/L.

Regards, Dave Corven. 


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 I get can't get in to the assembly instructions on the Kennedy Composites 
 website to access the AVA center of gravity.
 
 Does anyone care to share the AVA C of G with us this evening ?
 
 400 mm or 4 inches. It downloaded okay for me.
 
 http://www.kennedycomposites.com/instructions/ava-v2.7.pdf
 
 6 6/30/2004
 Tips
 Tow hook can be located back from nose 18-1/8” for aggressive
 launching. This measurement is to rear side of tow hook. For initial
 launches move adjustable tow hook ¼” forward. When you are
 comfortable launching at this point, move tow hook rearward to fit
 your flying style.
 To set up decalage, mount center wing section and stabilizer. Hold
 model from the rear and set the imaginary line that goes through
 trailing edge and leading edge of stabilizer parallel with bottom of
 wing.
 Cant the elevator servo arm forward 15 degrees for more up elevator
 control throw.
 Suggested balance, control throws and mixer
 Balance: 400 mm or ~ 4 from leading edge of wing
 Rudder throw: + / - 2“ each way.
 Elevator throw: + ¾ “ - ½ “
 Spoiler: 7/8” up measured at trailing edge of spoiler
 Elevator mix: Up elevator to spoiler 70 % mix.
 Decalage: Align centerline of stabilizer parallel with bottom of wing.
 ©Kennedy Composites 2004
 
 Mike
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Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread mrmaserati
100 mm is the correct location.

More regards, Dave Corven. 


 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  
  
 I get can't get in to the assembly instructions on the Kennedy Composites 
 website to access the AVA center of gravity.
 
 Does anyone care to share the AVA C of G with us this evening ?
  
  
  400 mm or 4 inches. It downloaded okay for me.
 
 
 Better double check that. 400 millimeters is 15.75 inches
 
 4 inches is 101.6 mm
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Re: [RCSE] Winch Batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Jim Laurel
Guilt as charged!  But unlike my shorts, my vehicle doesn't suffer any  
holes in the floor.  It's a NAS (North American Spec) Defender 90,  
lined with a real heavy rubber lining that covers the rear interior  
floor.


NAS D90 in the dunes south of the border:
http://exerro.com/galleries/mexico200303/mex15.htm

No, this is NOT the ultimate soaring vehicle...sadly.  The wheelbase is  
only 92, so it can just barely carry a couple of unlimited planes  
(diagonally) and a driver.  A 110 would be the better solution.


--Jim


On May 22, 2005, at 5:57 AM, Steve Meyer wrote:

 Whoever moves a liquid lead acid battery around without a battery box  
is a fool. Their vehicle must be full of white spots and holes in the  
floor.


http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp? 
productId=1296485cp=1254885.1255161.1260970parentPage=family




 At 01:08 PM 5/21/2005, Jim Laurel wrote:
For our club winches at SASS, we use pairs of Trojan 6v batteries,  
wired in series. These are powerful and durable, but they do get to  
be a mess when carried around to and from the field for charging.  
Ive already burned a hole in my shorts from the acid.

 
 For my personal winch, I use blue top Optimas, which are just  
fantastic. They are compact, and never leak. Each one seems to have  
plenty of power for a day of flying for 5-6 open class planes. I  
usually bring two for a full day of flying with friends. I tried the  
yellow top deep cycle and found that they didnt seem to give as much  
torque. The blue tops are deep cycle/starting marine batteries.

 
 --Jim Laurel
 
From: David Whitaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:43 PM
To: RCSE
Subject: [RCSE] Winch Batteries

I know this was discussed some time ago. And I didn't pay attention  
then. Now I need the information. What is the best battery to use  
for winches.


Thanks

Dave W

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Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Jim Laurel
I once needed a couple of custom packs for my 2m planes.  Per 
instructions, I sent a very clear, color coded diagram along with my 
order to cheapbatterypacks.com.  I specifically asked for the power 
cord to exit a specific end of the packs and also that there should be 
strain relief for the wire.  I suggested a loop of wire, retained by 
some filament tape before shrink wrapping.  Of course, offered to pay 
any additional charges for this.


The packs came back with the power cord coming out the wrong end, with 
no strain relief at all.  I called, they said they had built them as I 
asked.  I asked them to look at the diagram I sent which clearly showed 
the whole thing.  Finally, they agreed to take them back, but 
admonished me to send a diagram showing clearly what I wanted.  
Wha-wha-what?  That was my last order.


I order all my packs now from battlepacks.com and hangtimes.org.  These 
guys charge more, but the pack quality is excellent (and yes, there is 
a qualitative difference in packs), plus they listen to you and build 
it the way you specify.


As to you guys who are buying cheap Wal-Mart batteries to put into your 
sailplanes, what are you thinking?  Why take a chance on ruining an 
expensive sailplane with anything less than the absolute best?  And for 
what, so you can save a few dollars?  That's crazy.  Use the very 
highest quality batteries you can find, built into the very best packs 
by the very best builders, and thus minimize the potential for failure.


--Jim

On May 22, 2005, at 2:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dave:

I now buy from Cheap Battery Packs (had a bad cell after a couple of
flights and he replaced it).

Used Batteries America before- no problems

Bought from SR Batteries before and was sent a dead cell and he would 
not

replace it. I personally would NEVER anything buy from him again. No
matter what his reputation is supposed to be.

Ed
 - Original Message -

From: Dave Brombaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Buying batteries



Where do you like to buy your batteries for both the 3M sized planes,
but also for DLG's?

In my specific instance, I'm looking for a good place to buy 1/3AA
cells, where I'll make up the packs myself (two Encores in the 
building

table).

I have found a particular cell that I want from batteriesamerica.com
(AP-350AAH), and I can get them from there, but I'm curious where you
all like to shop for batteries.

I'll likely get my next 3M-sized battery pack from the same place, 
which

is why I'm making this into a more general question.

Thanks again in advance, all!
- Dave





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Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread miamimike
Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Better double check that. 400 millimeters is 15.75 inches

4 inches is 101.6 mm

Good catch! I just copied and pasted the text without paying attention.

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[RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread GordySoar



Gordy, if I'm not mistaken the Multiplex Evo with scanner 
module will do this and more.

Thanks for theEvoinfo, but I was posting information 
about the Hobbico Frequency Checker. Evo owners will be happy to know that 
they don't need one, if they have paid a few hundred for the Evo option 
:-)

The Frequency Checker is a cool and tiny 'tool' that everyone 
should have including Evo owners with the option installed

Fits in any flight kit and with the flick of a switch gives the 
looker an at a glance view of all 50 freqs busy or open...'nearby'.

If anyone else has tried one with an external antenna hooked up, 
post us your findings. Pretty sure you could find an antenna to fit at Radio 
Shack. Might need a little mod to plug in but its just a single point 
connection. Likely a piece of coat hanger would do it :-)
Gordy


Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity

2005-05-22 Thread Joe Nave
...more detailed AVA instructions, including CG location is available on 
www.rcsoaring.com in the Documents  Tips section...


Joe

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To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] AVA center of gravity



Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Better double check that. 400 millimeters is 15.75 inches

4 inches is 101.6 mm


Good catch! I just copied and pasted the text without paying attention.

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Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread Ed Berris



Gordy, I'm sure the Hobbico unit is everything you say it is but I guess 
you just aren't familiar with the Royal Evo scanner option. First, it 
doesn't cost a few hundred. It's about $100. Second, it not only 
scans all the frequencies but it also won't allow you to transmit if one of the 
50 frequencies is occupied.

I guess the Hobbico unit would be good for anyone that doesn't have an Evo 
with the Scanner unit which would probably be most of the market.

Ed

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:24 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the 
  Freq Checker this weekend
  
  Gordy, if I'm not mistaken the Multiplex Evo with 
  scanner module will do this and more.
  
  Thanks for theEvoinfo, but I was posting 
  information about the Hobbico Frequency Checker. Evo owners will be 
  happy to know that they don't need one, if they have paid a few hundred for 
  the Evo option :-)
  
  The Frequency Checker is a cool and tiny 'tool' that everyone 
  should have including Evo owners with the option installed
  
  Fits in any flight kit and with the flick of a switch gives 
  the looker an at a glance view of all 50 freqs busy or open...'nearby'.
  
  If anyone else has tried one with an external antenna hooked 
  up, post us your findings. Pretty sure you could find an antenna to fit at 
  Radio Shack. Might need a little mod to plug in but its just a single point 
  connection. Likely a piece of coat hanger would do it :-)
  Gordy


[RCSE] Memorial Contest/OVSS #1 In The Bag

2005-05-22 Thread Marc Gellart
A major thanks to the Cinci Soaring Society and Steve, Bob, Bob, Sam, and
others for all their work in having the first regular weekend contest that
had 40 entries (Saturday) and around 30+ on Sunday.  Two completely
different days, Saturday was sunny and a very active atmosphere and Sunday
was overcast and an ultra stable air mass with 13 minute task times that
made for tough work.  Steve was a task master, we flew five rounds Saturday
(7,10, 10, 10, 15) and Sunday we flew four rounds (7, 11, 13, 13).

Ed Wilson was the Master flier winning overall  honors for the weekend and
Chip Willis won the Sportsman class with the accompanying pair of JR 368
servos for each flier.  JR man John Diniz was there making a good showing
this weekend and it is great that the JR guys participate with OVSS during
the season.

The next stop on the OVSS trail is Ft. Wayne, the second second in June and
that is followed by the MVSA contest in St. Louis the next weekend.  Go to
www.loftrc.org and www.mvsaclub.com and look up the contest flyers for these
contests.

Soon, Steve Siebenaler will have the first scores for the OVSS '05 on the
CSS website along I am sure with  scores from the Memorial Contest.  Go to
www.cincinnatisoaring.org and follow the signs.

Marc Gellart



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Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread miamimike
Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

As to you guys who are buying cheap Wal-Mart batteries to put into your 
sailplanes, what are you thinking?  Why take a chance on ruining an 
expensive sailplane with anything less than the absolute best?  And for 
what, so you can save a few dollars?  That's crazy.  Use the very 
highest quality batteries you can find, built into the very best packs 
by the very best builders, and thus minimize the potential for failure.

WalMart sells Energizer 2300+ MAH AA cells, which are what I use in all my
sailplanes, although I do avoid buying mine from WalMart. It really makes no
difference where you buy them aside from the price and your feelings about
the store itself. You'll get the same batteries regardless.

As for building a four- or five-cell pack, it's not rocket science. In fact,
it's nothing compared to setting up even an ARF model plane. Most of us have
the appropriate skills and tools. 

But here's what I want to know: How do you go about identifying the very
highest quality batteries? What particular brand of battery do you have in
mind that you know to be of higher quality and dependability than the
Energizers sold at WalMart, and how do you know this?

Mike
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RE: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread John Derstine
If your goal is safe flying, a real investment in a quality scanner is a
must for any club or serious end user. The Aerospectra is a commercial
grade hand held unit that gives meaningful info. Not only what
frequencies are on, but their db and bleed over into adjacent channels.
You can zoom in and analyze a small section of the frequency band, or
view the whole spectrum for interference. Of course the only accurate
way to measure is with an antenna that can accurately scan the entire
area.

The price is beyond the budget of most individuals at $895.00, but for a
club it makes a great investment. We used one at all our events in
Elmira, and saved many aircraft with it, as well as track down offending
transmitters with splatter.

http://www.aerospectra.com/



JD


Endless Mountain Models
http://www.scalesoaring.com
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:24 PM
To: Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

Gordy, if I'm not mistaken the Multiplex Evo with scanner module will do
this and more.
 
Thanks for the Evo info, but I was posting information about the Hobbico
Frequency Checker.  Evo owners will be happy to know that they don't
need one, if they have paid a few hundred for the Evo option :-)
 
The Frequency Checker is a cool and tiny 'tool' that everyone should
have including Evo owners with the option installed
 
Fits in any flight kit and with the flick of a switch gives the looker
an at a glance view of all 50 freqs busy or open...'nearby'.
 
If anyone else has tried one with an external antenna hooked up, post us
your findings. 
Pretty sure you could find an antenna to fit at Radio Shack. Might need
a little mod to plug in but its just a single point connection. Likely a
piece of coat hanger would do it :-)

Gordy

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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5702 Buying Batteries

2005-05-22 Thread ALNephew
Recently I got a set of four 1/3 AA 350 mah NiMHs with tabs from Batteries  
America. I didn't check them with a voltmeter beforehand, I'm sorry to say. I  
presumed they would be good. I soldered up a 4-cell pack, but it only put out  
3.6 volts and one cell was dead when I checked it. When I phoned, the guy at  
Batteries America said I must have touched the soldering iron to the cell  
itself. Look for a spot where the plastic cover has a small hole in it where  
you would have touched it accidentally, he said. I did and he was right. So I  
bought a new one from them, which arrived shortly, and you can guess that I 
was  more careful this time. Now I have a 4.8+ volt pack.

No doubt you checked the cell before soldering it, Ed, but others might  make 
the same mistake I did unless they are more careful than I was.

Al

In a message dated 5/22/2005 4:10:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight  Time, Ed writes:
I now buy from Cheap Battery Packs (had a bad cell after a  couple of
flights and he replaced it).

Used Batteries America before-  no problems

Bought from SR Batteries before and was sent a dead cell and  he would not
replace it. I personally would NEVER anything buy from him  again. No
matter what his reputation is supposed to be.
 
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Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread Bill's Email


 for anyone that doesn't have an 
Evo with the Scanner unit which would probably be most of the market.



And why doesn't the legion of Multiplex lovers EVER ask themselves why 
this is so???

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #5702 Buying Batteries

2005-05-22 Thread eholt
I didn't solder any cells. They were made, assembled, soldered, wrapped
and shipped by SR Batteries / CBP was a factory Pack.
Ed

 Recently I got a set of four 1/3 AA 350 mah NiMHs with tabs from Batteries
 America. I didn't check them with a voltmeter beforehand, I'm sorry to
 say. I
 presumed they would be good. I soldered up a 4-cell pack, but it only put
 out
 3.6 volts and one cell was dead when I checked it. When I phoned, the guy
 at
 Batteries America said I must have touched the soldering iron to the cell
 itself. Look for a spot where the plastic cover has a small hole in it
 where
 you would have touched it accidentally, he said. I did and he was right.
 So I
 bought a new one from them, which arrived shortly, and you can guess that
 I
 was  more careful this time. Now I have a 4.8+ volt pack.

 No doubt you checked the cell before soldering it, Ed, but others might
 make
 the same mistake I did unless they are more careful than I was.

 Al

 In a message dated 5/22/2005 4:10:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight  Time, Ed
 writes:
 I now buy from Cheap Battery Packs (had a bad cell after a  couple of
 flights and he replaced it).

 Used Batteries America before-  no problems

 Bought from SR Batteries before and was sent a dead cell and  he would not
 replace it. I personally would NEVER anything buy from him  again. No
 matter what his reputation is supposed to be.

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Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker this weekend

2005-05-22 Thread Brian Chan
Title: Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to try the Freq Checker
this weeke


Since the external antenna is back ordered, I only had
the unit itself.

The advertised range is 'up to 300 feet' but in fact that is an
accurate statement...it is 'possible' for it to work at that but
everything has to be just right.

Its real range is about 50' on the field with cars, tents, trees in
the its line of sight.

It works GREAT and everyone should own one, but be
clear, it is not for checking the general flying site for competing
signals...at least not without the external
antenna.

There was a guy about half way to the turn arounds on
flying an electric and it did not read it, and I was at my truck on
the parking area and about 100' away there were TX's on and I was not
reading it.

Inspite of all that, pretty much everyone there is
ordering one, very tiny and easy to use before you turn on anything
else and a nice device to verify your TX synth module dial is reading
a 6 not an 8 :-)

Gordy

Gordy,

300 ft is not a whole lot since your receiver( even a
indoor receivers can do better than that) will see a
signal from over 2000 feet. This unit might give you a false
sense of security. I fly in a lot of off field places to take
pictures. I would like to know if there is anything remotely (pun)
near my freq before I will fly. I have been using an Icom IC-R2
receiver before to check for freq. I would say a spare receiver
, a servo and a battery pack can do just as well to detect any
transmission on your frequency.

It probably is good for looking for transmitter in the impound
which has accidentally left on, or freq check at the impound to make
sure the flag shown is actually the correct channel. no the
transmitter is transmitting on!


Thank you for the info you given, I might have to cancel my
order.

Brian



RE: [RCSE] Buying batteries

2005-05-22 Thread Jim Laurel
Mike,
It's easy to know what the best cells are for sailplane rx applications.
Just observe what cells are highly regarded by people for motor power.
Those are what you want to use.  You want cells of low impedance and high
capacity on full house planes.  If you are putting Energizer 2300 mAh AA
cells in full house molded planes with digital servos, then good luck!  I
would not run them down much past 1/2 capacity before recharging as they
will likely start to suffer voltage drop offs at about that level.  Of
course, on RES planes, I think AA packs are just fine and use them myself,
especially with analog servos.

My short list of high quality cells are ones like the GP2200s, GP1100s,
KAN1050s, Sanyo CP1700s, etc.  The new GP2000 4/5A cells is also fast
proving itself.  Those types of cells will deliver the current and voltage
you need right up to capacity.  Just look at the discharge curves provided
by the manufacturers, or plot them yourself with a Medusa Power Analyzer or
similar.

I'm pretty good with soldering, but do not have the equipment to do a proper
solder joint, especially on something like a AA button cell.  I leave that
to the pros.  I've tried, and can make what looks like a decent joint, but
don't trust it...  By the time I heat up the contact sufficiently, I get
concerned that I am damaging the cell.  It's just not my area of expertise.
Of course, if the batteries have tabs, it's no problem.

--Jim



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:50 PM
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Buying batteries

Jim Laurel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

As to you guys who are buying cheap Wal-Mart batteries to put into your 
sailplanes, what are you thinking?  Why take a chance on ruining an 
expensive sailplane with anything less than the absolute best?  And for 
what, so you can save a few dollars?  That's crazy.  Use the very 
highest quality batteries you can find, built into the very best packs 
by the very best builders, and thus minimize the potential for failure.

WalMart sells Energizer 2300+ MAH AA cells, which are what I use in all my
sailplanes, although I do avoid buying mine from WalMart. It really makes no
difference where you buy them aside from the price and your feelings about
the store itself. You'll get the same batteries regardless.

As for building a four- or five-cell pack, it's not rocket science. In fact,
it's nothing compared to setting up even an ARF model plane. Most of us have
the appropriate skills and tools. 

But here's what I want to know: How do you go about identifying the very
highest quality batteries? What particular brand of battery do you have in
mind that you know to be of higher quality and dependability than the
Energizers sold at WalMart, and how do you know this?

Mike
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