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Re: [RCSE] T/D flying for $$$$$
And I thought I was about to get to turn pro... Jack Womack --- Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess times have changed, LOFT used to run a CASH BASH in early October that was well received. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] T/D flying for $ Dave, I have tried that a couple of times, Got my P-P verbally wacked, by club members, friends and moralists, hourse people and alike... I think it would be fun at least once.. J -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- Hi all, Anyone interested in doing some contest for some bucks, I'm talking about a $50. to $200. entry fee with all of it paid back. They do it in a ton of amateur sports, from golf , bowling, bass fishing, ect. Any reason why not in T/D flying ? Anyone interested in the Midwest anyway ? I would throw some bigger bucks into a hat if anyone would want to come compete at my field. Or we could do some team thing at any field. I don't need no trophies, I need groceries and servo money! :-) Just thought I would throw the idea out there. Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New Orleans
Unfortunately, there's a lot of sensationalism in the news. I am currently in the New Orleans area trying to reestablish communications for the railroad. We will be able to bring in lots of tankers full of clean water, fuel and other supplies for humanitarian aid, and rebuilding. One train can equal 400 trucks, easily. While the situation is worse than horrible, especially for those trapped in the city, the spread of rumors really only makes the situation worse. For the sake of those of us stuck here battling the situation, please take what you see on the news and hear or read elsewhere with a grain of salt. Also please realize that for every horror story you hear, know that there meny, many random acts of kindness happening all around us. People are helping each other. Jack Womack... from what appears to be the bowels of hell... it can only get better. --- James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This guy is reporting what he is seeing from a high rise building he is holed up in, sure is a different picture from what I am seeing in the news. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ At 08:27 AM 9/1/2005, Darwin N. Barrie wrote: I have attached a portion of an email received from my friends wife. As I noted she is an ICU nurse. You can hear the desparation in her note. What is wrong with these people??? A note from Shelley. For those of you who don't know, Tony is Shelley's brother who has been in his 2nd floor apt in Metairie since the storm began. He has no car, just a bicycle. He's 51 and in fair health. Here's her note... i'm overwhelmed. the city is under marshal law. the hosp just informed us we are locked in with the army guarding us. there are people on jeff and the levee, some are banging on the doors of the hospital trying to get in. The hosp told us we cannot be released even though we only have one patient because people are being carjacked trying to leave on I-10. OCF assures us we are safe and that army helicoptors are flying in the city in droves, they said it looks like a war. They ask us to be patient. I guess we need to ask Steph what she wants, we could home school her or send her to school somewhere until Ursuline reopens. Our property value has escalted becasue we survived this storm. There is no place to work except the utilities, and this hospital. Aunt Ellie said there are some schools but only one is all girls (sacred heart academy in grand couteau) I know steph loves ursuline. I just don't know because this is our bread and butter and insurance so I feel I have to keep this job. I really don't want to permanantly relocate. I'm so worried about tony. I know he's a survivor but it's rough out there.People are banging on the hosp doors I'll try to call later tonight. Love, shelley Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] R/C Soaring around Clovis NM or Amarillo TX?
Well, there's a chance that my job will take me to the Clovis, New Mexico area real soon... or maybe to Amarillo. Anyone doing R/C soaring in that area? Jack Womack Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [HoustonHawks] Woody Roundup!!!
OK... it's official. I have a work conflict for the weekend before Labor Day so it wil be the weekend after. That puts our contest dates at September 10 and 11. We'll start with a pilots meeting at 9:00 on the 10th. We'll open the first round at 9:30 sharp both days. Sorry for removing the choice, but it was actually removed for me. Jack Womack --- Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK... I've been asked to host the Woody Roundup again. I can truly not come up with a reason not to... so, it's on! We have had it over Labor Day Weekend in the past, but I have a conflict this year. That being said, what's your pleasure... the weekend before, or the weekend after? Let's take a vote at the field on Saturday. If you can't be there... send me a private email and I'll count your vote. I need to get the sanction going so if I don't hear from you by Saturday, sin loi... (Vietnamese for, Sorry about that.) We will fly 2 days. The task will be 1 round of 10 minute duration; 1 round of 11 minute duration; 1 round of 12 minute duration; 1 round of 13 minute duration. All will have a landing option that will be a tie breaker ONLY. In other words, if more than one pilot has a perfect flight, only the one with the closest landing will receive landing points, up to 10. Only 1 pilot per round will be awarded landing points, and only if you have a perfect flight score. Ties other that perfect will stand as ties. If niether pilot scores a landing, the tie for the round will remain. In the VERY unlikely event of an overall tie, there will be a 7-minute flyoff with landing. Skegs/sharks teeth, etc. will be allowed. Wheels will not be allowed. Winch length will be wheeled and all winches will be 600'. If times are being made consistently, lines may be shortened for subsequent rounds. If you wish to bring a hi-start, the max stretched length of the hi-start will be the same as the winch length. Definition of a Woody: A model sailplane of wood construction, with open rib bays after the spar, with any material for spars and fuselage. No molded, foam, or composite parts may be used for the wing or empennage, except the spar and/or carbon capped ribs. For our purpose, the molded fin on a fiberglass fuselage is considered part of the fuselage. Any control configuration is allowed. This is NOT an RES contest. AVA lovers and Topaz whizkids, etc... don't fret we'll have a separate class for you, too... so bring 'em! We'll probably call it the LOW class, but, you never know, we may came up with a better name... You didn't think I'd leave you out, now did you? Yes, Bill Estill's bagged stuff falls in there, too. The CD - ME - will have final say as to aircraft class. I am committed to the contest, and I have set the task. I probably won't change it. The scoring will be a penny a point... oops... a point per second... yeah, that's it! We'll have it whether we sanction it or not. Entry fee is $5- per day. The club will keep half for it's trouble, and the other half will be split among the top 3 flyers on a sliding scale, of course. Y'all come back, now,... hear? Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Woody Roundup!!!
OK... I've been asked to host the Woody Roundup again. I can truly not come up with a reason not to... so, it's on! We have had it over Labor Day Weekend in the past, but I have a conflict this year. That being said, what's your pleasure... the weekend before, or the weekend after? Let's take a vote at the field on Saturday. If you can't be there... send me a private email and I'll count your vote. I need to get the sanction going so if I don't hear from you by Saturday, sin loi... (Vietnamese for, Sorry about that.) We will fly 2 days. The task will be 1 round of 10 minute duration; 1 round of 11 minute duration; 1 round of 12 minute duration; 1 round of 13 minute duration. All will have a landing option that will be a tie breaker ONLY. In other words, if more than one pilot has a perfect flight, only the one with the closest landing will receive landing points, up to 10. Only 1 pilot per round will be awarded landing points, and only if you have a perfect flight score. Ties other that perfect will stand as ties. If niether pilot scores a landing, the tie for the round will remain. In the VERY unlikely event of an overall tie, there will be a 7-minute flyoff with landing. Skegs/sharks teeth, etc. will be allowed. Wheels will not be allowed. Winch length will be wheeled and all winches will be 600'. If times are being made consistently, lines may be shortened for subsequent rounds. If you wish to bring a hi-start, the max stretched length of the hi-start will be the same as the winch length. Definition of a Woody: A model sailplane of wood construction, with open rib bays after the spar, with any material for spars and fuselage. No molded, foam, or composite parts may be used for the wing or empennage, except the spar and/or carbon capped ribs. For our purpose, the molded fin on a fiberglass fuselage is considered part of the fuselage. Any control configuration is allowed. This is NOT an RES contest. AVA lovers and Topaz whizkids, etc... don't fret we'll have a separate class for you, too... so bring 'em! We'll probably call it the LOW class, but, you never know, we may came up with a better name... You didn't think I'd leave you out, now did you? Yes, Bill Estill's bagged stuff falls in there, too. The CD - ME - will have final say as to aircraft class. I am committed to the contest, and I have set the task. I probably won't change it. The scoring will be a penny a point... oops... a point per second... yeah, that's it! We'll have it whether we sanction it or not. Entry fee is $5- per day. The club will keep half for it's trouble, and the other half will be split among the top 3 flyers on a sliding scale, of course. Y'all come back, now,... hear? Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] More Midsouth
Must be a really, really, really well made camera! What brand is it? I want one! Jack Womack --- Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heres a link to some photos. I even have a Movie of Gordy launching. It didnt break the camera 8-) Jeff http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383320page=2 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Final Glide, Mark Navarre
I am always saddened by news of a fatal glider crash. I had only exchanged emails with Mark a couple of times. I bought a trailer from that area that had housed an open Cirrus. It, too, had crashed into the White Mountains, with fatal results. My family's prayers and best wishes go out to Mark's friends and family. I especially hate to lose someone that loved both R/C and full-scale. Jack Womack PIK-20-B N77MA (AZ) Houston Hawks R/C Past Pres. --- Cliff E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know Mark very well but the few times I had the opportunity to talk to him, were an immense pleasure. He was full of great info that he was more than willing to share. In the recent past (3 or 4 years) his posts have become fewer and fewer and the ones he did post occasionally were so welcome. The Air Ratchet he designed, built and sold has got to be one of the most fun foamies I personally have ever played with. I believe I have owned three of them and now will be resurrecting the last one once again in Mark's honor. He went to soon, but it sounds like he went out doing the thing he loved. With much regret, Cliff Lindgren P.S. I have always envied and will continue to do so, Mark's Email name Gliderscum You gotta love it. _ From: Quiet Man [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:16 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Final Glide, Mark Navarre Mark Navarre died Sunday when his ASW-20 impacted terrain on the white mountains. He was one of my best friends, and we had the best times ever flying both full scale and R/C gliders together. Sucks. john Quietman John Roe www.roenation.com _ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/security/*http:/promotions.yahoo.co m/new_mail/static/protection.html Mail - You care about security. So do we. Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
Just went to Sal's website and didn't see it. Even a search of his page gave no result. Whazzup? Jack Womack --- Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, After the Spring Fling, I've been getting a lot of private emails regarding the Insanity 3.7, so I thought I'd post a little about the model. With my broken full scale planes this year, I haven't had a chance to head to So Cal to fly the contest circuit, but I had really wanted to, because this thing is like cheating. Now that I've got some contest time on the model, I'm more comfortable talking about it than last year. It's so easy to fly, and even easier to land. Mine weighs in at 83 ounces, but I am using some super heavy stabs that I bagged at home with some carbon I had laying aroundIf I were using the stabs from Sal, it would take 3-4 ounces out of the model. Even at 83 ounces, the model feels almost too light for me. It flies soo slooow. The wing loading is under 9 ounces/ft. Even though it's light, due to the span, it still covers ground quite well, and because of the light loading, lands almost stupid slow. The moments on the model are quite generous, (lng tail boom) so even at very slow speeds on final, it tracks quite nicely. Stats: Span - 145 Area - Don't remember (I recall 1350 ish) Section - A JW section - TDtry19 (same as the Fusion section) I've only flown it in Majors. It's the model I flew at the Nats last year (although with a completely re-shaped and re-tooled fuse - much prettier and lighter now), I flew it at Visalia, SWC, and now Spring Fling. For AMA style TD, I wouldn't fly anything else. I believe Sal is selling them, although due to the labor in them, Phil is whining about making the wings. So there may be a bit of a delay. There is a lot of work in them. Makes it a bit pricey. The wings are turning out to be super strong - much to the shagrin of the SVSS winch crews. I kept breaking lines tapping all the way up tow. Sorry guys! I was tappin'... It's very lively for the span - if it wasn't it would make me crazy. Rolling circles are fun, inverted flight is hands off, outsides are tight... it's just fun to fly. And most importantly, it's not a 2 meter. Chuck would like it he can see it ;-) If you're in Muncie, come by and check it out. I'll have it out for Open Class. See y'all at the Nats! D Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Insanity 3.7 - shameless plug for Sal
Gordy bashing is probably more fun... I'll second that!!! Jack Womack --- Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Sal make sailplanes? What size Lipo's does it take and how is it at 3D maneuvers ;-) I guess someone can start some Sal bashing. We've been through a whole bunch of other recurring topics recently, but haven't done any Sal bashing. Gordy bashing is probably more fun... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse
Well said, Ed. This might be longer, but typing with my left index finger becomes a bit tedious about now... Jack Womack --- Ed Jett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a sport pilot for almost all of my soaring career, and only recently having participated in contests and finishing close to the bottom, let me say that I truly do understand the need for folks to be competitive and that competition and practice for competitions does make one a better pilot and at a faster pace than just sport flying will achieve. But, it seems that sailplaners, of all the RC aircraft groups, are the most competition oriented of all. As an example of what I am talking about, my power club in Meridian, composed of probably 15 occasional and 7 or 8 regulars never wants to do anything but fly. They don't seem to feel any need to compete anywhere with anyone; they just come out and fly and socialize. When I go to a competition as a participant, I will play by the rules of the day. If I do well, I'll be happy. If a rule causes me to zero a round, I'm happy just to have the opportunity to play. If someone drives 1000 miles and is upset when he zeros a round due to a popoff (and the attendant rule), and he lets it ruin his weekend, I have to say oh, well. I can see being upset with yourself for messing up, but if you can't take such a situation in stride and have fun, then you shouldn't be driving 1000 miles to a contest in the first place. I don't think driving 1000 miles (or any other specific distance) for that matter should make the rules apply less to that person. The event organizers have reasons for the rules they make. They are the ones that have real work to do to put on and CD these events. Pay and play or stay home is everyone's choice. If you pay, come to play. If you stay home, what fun is that? I attended the Woodcrafters fun fly/competition a couple weeks ago and the rules played against me and my son and we finished close to the bottom of the pack in scores, but right at the top in fun. BTW, we drove 900 miles to get to the event. I would go again tomorrow if I could. These opinions are my own. You are free to agree or disagree and, of course, you are entitled to your own opinions. Ed Jett Marion, MS - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] pop offs...not good, rule worse I recently flew the OVSS Cincinatti and managed to take some wood... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] A little solace for the thermal deprived crowd
I'll shed a tear for you Saturday when I expect to get to about 6,000 feet, where I expect cloudbase to be... Sorry to rub it in, but I couldn't help it. Saturday will be my last time to fly, models or full size, for a good while. I will be having surgery Monday and won't get to fly until September or later... You can rub it in when I lament... It will probably be a killer summer. Jack Womack --- Tom H. Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who like myself have been suffering thermal withdrawal due to the mandates of family, work or weather, here is a little thermal activity, courtesy of JPL, on the planet Mars. The way things have been going for me lately, the nearest thermal might as well be on Mars. Enjoy! http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] A little solace for the thermal deprived crowd
Thanks all for the good wishes... I've made a decision about all this. I have decided to get busy and build all the models I can just to prove I can do it single handedly...8^)...(pun intended). Then I'm going to bug the hell out of the Houston Hawks so I can fly them... yes... I'll need help...8^)... I won't be able to handle all that heavy launch equipment... (wannghh!) I figure to be able to sit in a lawn chair and direct those on the field that will be launching and retrievind my models for me...(I can see a king-sized picture of that, can't you?) In fact, I've started a Grand Esprit already. Doc says I'll be in a motion limiting brace that will allow full motion by 6 weeks. I should have the use of my right hand soon after surgery. I keep hoping for one of those hands like Luke Skywalker got after Vader cut his hand off... I'll bet I could really build fast with one of those... Still not sure if the Frankenstein srainless neck bolt will be here in time for installation on Monday morning. Doc says I'll have 2 ugly scars... they may come in handy pickin' up girls, who knows? Don't count me out, yet... Jack Womack --- Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, First of all, I hope all goes well with your surgery. As one who spent nearly 18 months w/o soaring while recovering from Gullain Barre Syndrome, may I offer a word of advice? Find a good simulator. FMS ( http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html ) is free and does offer soaring. Then find an interface that let's you use one of your own transmitters. It not as good as the real thing but it's not bad either. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.5.0 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Eligibility Rule
While I agree with the other reply to a point, there are apparently some pretty high costs associated with their field maintenance. Having had to be a big part of the administration of an RC soaring club, and a real soaring club, I can appreciate their reluctance to allow participation without membership. It is very frustrating trying to keep club participation at a maintainable level. If you were talking about a full-scale club, their contests are held by members and by those that become members for the time they are competing. That's about liability, more than anything. A hundred bucks a year sounds a bit steep, but I've no clue about their financial state, or what it costs to lease/cut a field, so I can't judge that one. We are fortunate to be allowed to fly off a large grass farm in S. E. Houston and we don't have to pay anything. We can keep our dues at a very reasonable $30.00 per year that way. If the club in question has to tax each member $100- per year to keep flying, I don't think it's unreasonable for them to expect you to join if you live within a certain radius. The only other solution would be to double nonmembers entry fees. For the record, I drive 55 miles to fly RC sailplanes, and I'm a past-president of the Houston Hawks R/C Soaring Club. Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one and only local soaring club has ruled that any pilot who lives within 100Km who wishes to compete in their local advertised contest, must first join their club. Has anyone else heard of this before? Although this has little merit, the membership fee last year was $40, now it is $100 (the dues were raised to offset cutting grass). Does this seem right to exclude locals (who may be members of other clubs)? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Contest Eligibility Rule
Possibly someone should suggest a daily use fee in addition to a yearly membership. Again, someone has to volunteer and take their flying time to be the administrator of all these fees. That's a good way to run off the good people that are dedicated, and don't mind paying a reasonable price of $8.34 per month for a decent place to fly. That's cheap. I'm known for being cheap and that's still cheap. Jack Womack --- Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean I was right? Surprising! I thought I was way off. Gosh, seems a mighty exclusionary way to pay for grass cutting. Hmmm... I just assumed that a club would never want to turn away pilots. Maybe that's exactly what they're trying to do. Culling the herd possibly. No, that sounds too southern California. Possibly someone should suggest a daily use fee in addition to a yearly membership. Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The NOS dead horse beating.......again
Dear Blabby, Since my name was mentioned, and not in vain, I guess a comment here is appropriate. The fact is that the list isn't the only source of eligibility. I, too, have a nostalgia design from 1977 called the Magic Carpet that is not eligible. It was designed for Johnnie Casburn who thought he wanted some of the glider kit market. He was in Ft. Worth and had a hobby shop and a kit mfg. business, making sport power models with a foam wing. It hung in his shop for years, until he sold it to someone else. It was orange and silver. I may try to scan some of the pics I have of it. Unfortunately, and this isn't a personal dig at Jack Iafret, the keeper of the rules wasn't around all that much in the days. As Ray said, some built stock models, but most of us gave them their own personal touches. For instance, I never fully sheeted wings, but usually took the top sheeting back an extra inch, a practice I still use with good results. In a contest where things are checked, that would disqualify my Windfree and my Grand Esprit. I will say that in fact some have presented models that should be allowed to the list, but they ain't there... draw your own conclusions. The Miller mods for the Aquila, if they're allowed, then why not the Womack mods for the Legionair. Why not the Legionair 132, which by all accounts and all opinions save one, should be there. After all, a 132 has been flown at the NOS NATS, with the keeper as the CD. Airfoil changes, planform changes, etc., I can understand why these should not be allowed. I would NOT have allowed the dihedral changes to accomodate the spar mods. That's a planform change. It can change the way the design performs and flys. Why was that compromise made and the rest kept so strict? I gave up on the Nostalgia class when informed that a carbon fiber tail boom would not be allowed for a Legionair. This mod would have much less effect on the design than a dihedral change. The fact is that Nostalgia class models are a pain to build, if you can find a kit. If not, you may have to do the old scratch builders boogie. I built some Legionairs that way, pod and all. It was rewarding, to say the least. Imagine my disappointment had one been a 132, and I had driven from Texas to Muncie, only to be told I couldn't fly. There it is. DISSAPOINTMENT. That's why Nostalgia's growth is dead. Until someone steps up to revive it with some realistic rules, dead it will remain. It won't be me, as I have backed away and jumped off into flying full-scale with both feet. The rules are simpler... Will someone please kick this soap box over and knock me off of it?!?! Dissappointed in Houston. (Jack Womack) --- Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too am disappointed with the way Nostalgia at the Nats has developed. I understand the necessity of using the existing winches even though they are much too strong and have too heavy line since it is not practicable to have special winches for one class. I do object to restricting it to one day combined with RES while wasting two days on 2-meter, a class very few would be flying if it wasn't sandwiched between hand launch and unlimited. I also object to flying modern man on man tasks and landings instead of the tasks and landings as flown at the SOAR Nats. The old events are much more suited to the old models. I have entered Nostalgia every year since it was first proposed at the LSF tournament in 1994 and flown in all but four. The first two years were rained out and I didn't stay for the last two because of the weather forecast. (My wife was with me and getting tired.) I will not be entering Nostalgia this year. It is not worth spending another night and paying the high entry fees for three flights. Another day will cost at least $100 or $33 per flight. Maybe I will go back to flying my Sailaire in Unlimited. After all, my best place at the Nats in the last 20 years was with the Sailaire in 1996. That year I placed 17th and beat a lot of high tech sailplanes. Almost as good as a win. :-) Chuck Anderson At 06:07 AM 5/21/2005, you wrote: It is very early am, I can't go to the OVSS in Cinci, so I'll take my frustration out by beating the dead Nostalgia horse. My apologies to everyone. Having an AMA Nostalgia class is good, accept it or not, most entry level into RC Soaring ( non electric) is with a woody, ARF or home built. I don't classify an AVA, etc. as a woody ( beat on that one for a while) because it has a molded wing section. The current NOS rules need to be amended through the AMA process of rules changing ( won't this bring out the know it alls), but NOS will be in trouble because there will be some really goofy rules changes proposed, mostly by people that have no experience of building and flying back in the days of nostalgia and likely no experience flying in a current NOS contest. I truly hope the AMA Nos Nats
Re: [RCSE] Bash Barry Kennedy
But... what will you do when you finally discover you just... don't have a clue, period? Sorry, I couldn't resist... Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even I sent money to Barry for an AVA. Said I wouldn't fly RES but if its good enough for Fly'n Brian, well... I can always sell it when I wake up to remember I don't have a clue about RES flying. :-) Waiting for a Red one. Gordy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy Vrs Others..a personal experience
I'll second that. sick 'em, Chuck... Jack Womack --- Dan Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, hats of to you Chuck. Never have I seen a pissing contest laid to waste so quickly and efficiently. Dan And to the bone head who told me to get a Gentle Lady ARF as I seem like a newbie, my AMA is 327694, what's yours? Regards, Tuan Le 371 Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Barry Kennedy and Kennedy Composites
Your response here is exactly why I would never go into the hobby business. I feel that I would have a lot to offer, but I saw first hand years ago what Cecil Haga went through with impatient people that demanded LD phone calls (pre-internet) and bitched because they ordered models that were above their building capabilities. Barry Kennedy and I don't particularly like each other, personally, but I believe him to be an honorable business man. Shows like Toledo are not just a bitch to attend, they're a bitch to get ready for, especially for vendors. I have to say, give the man a chance to catch his breath, and I know he will honor your order. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, go flying tomorrow and chill out. Jack Womack --- Tuan Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he was going to Toledo, then maybe he could have at least shared that info with me and let me know. Not tell me he will ship, Mar 23, 25, 28, and left me to wonder. Yes he was at Toledo showing and selling his wares, but where is mine that's already paid for. Those that know me personally know I give people the benefit of the doubt everytime. I am not blowing up, just inform me where the order is. We all are busy and have things planned. It was my fault I planned around what Barry told me. I can also assure readers that the way business is handled and reported over the net weighs in heavier than those at Toledo. I am surprise of all the delay allegations. But now I have witness it first hand. When I first spoke with him, I actually had given him some advice to promote his website and save a few dollars in shipping if he had shipped with Fedex ground instead of USPS. I was helpful. I only ask the same. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Building?
I have just this evening finished a Houston Hawk. I'm building a Schweizer 1-36 and a Grand Esprit, but I think my reputation is shot, now that I've bought a moldie... I guess you could call it a moldie... Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I flew IN a glider today and Gordy didn't!!!
I flew my Pik-20B on Sunday, the 23rd of January. I made 2 tows, the first to 4000 AGL and did a series of stalls, shallow and steep turns, and some looks at the extreme nose-down attitude this glider requires for full-flap landings. My glider uses 90-degree flaps like most molded models, with no spoilers. Flair for landing doesn't require any back pressure. It's a matter of easing off the forward pressure, and winding all the flap off at the instant of touchdown. My second flight included some typical weak winter thermalling. By the way, Gordy wasn't with me neither... and neither time did I dork it in!!! Jack Womack --- targetdrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I joined the Las Vegas Valley Soaring Association (full-size gliders) today, took my first lesson in a 2-33 and had an absolute blast. So much of what we do crosses over to the real thing. I did do something that doesn't happen in models, though... My cell phone got knocked off and left in the plane. It's gonna be a great summer. See you in Phoenix Wiggle your sticks David Judson LSF III RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Carbon fiber reinforced spars
Look in R/C Groups/Sailplanes/Thermal and find the original Houston Hawk thread. In the first 100 replys there is a good system shown for spars of the Houston Hawk. It's a 126 RES ship and the winf has so far proven winch proof. I used .060 top and .030 bottom caps with no spruce. I wrapped only the inboard end where the joiner box is. I find the wrapping of the entire spar to be an overkill situation. If you ever witness a Hawk launch, you'll know what I mean... Jack Womack --- Wes Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Building a new woodie RES and this time I want to reinforce the top and bottom spars with carbon fiber. I've been looking over the CST and Aerospace Composite Products web sites ending up with more questions than answers. I know I should use unidirectional carbon fiber, but what's easier to use: tapes or tow? What thicknesses are recommended? I don't have a vacuum bagging system, so I'll have to use old fashion phone books to weight the stuff while the epoxy dries. I did find an informational article by Bob Vixie which helped out a lot, but he didn't talk about thicknesses. Anyway, what does everybody recommend out there. Wes Gibson AMA 607029 LSF 7533 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Pondering T-tails
T-tails are the preffered tail for real sailplanes because there is only 1 set of intersection drag problems to deal with. For models that you are going to dork land, they're a little impractical. Built normally, the tail boom breaks right at the point where the fin attaches. The T-tail can be built light and strong, and full-flying if you prefer. I love T-tails too, and have built several T-tailed models. Do keep everything above the tail boom (or cone) light. Remember that to remove an ounce, look for 100 places to remove 1/100th of an ounce... I crashed my 153 span, T-tailed glider 2 years ago, and the T-tail survived intact, due to it's light weight and great strength. It can be done. Put the weight and beef where the strength needs to be. Everything else is omitted or lightened as much as possible. Enjoy your T-tails, regardless of what others say... Jack Womack --- Thomas Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever notice that almost all sailplanes and commercial jets have T-tails. I have. I think that they are the sweetest looking things ever put on sailplane. (The pictures of the Diana just brought this to mind.) Pros: Look REALLY cool. More Efficient (anyone have the numbers of how much efficiency gain there is?) Cons: Heavy - require more nose weight Fragile - more moment to cause damage Other things I've been pondering: Are they less affected by downwash changes with flaps or spoilers? Any real slick ideas for making them really light to improve dork tolerance and overall abuse resistance? Breakaway bolts? Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB : Pik-20 Scale kit
Having just purchased a real one, I'd like to have a Wik Pik kit or any other, preferably 1/5 scale to 1/4 scale. NIB only please... Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] NEWBIE NEEDS ADVISE
From what you wrote to begin with, I think a Big Bird would be a nice model. I haven't built nor owned one, but flew one. I thought it flew nicely, and it meets your criteria. Best of luck, Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Postal contest for Woodys......
I took a Hawk with me to Briggs today in case I got to fly. I didn't, really. The wind was about 20 abd the overcast, though broken, was about 500 ft. My longest hand launch flight was 48 seconds... not bad with a 128 model. I did finalize the deal for my Pik-20B. I'll have it by next weekend. Probably won't be doing much model stuff for the next couple of weeks because of that. Congrats to the winners, and I already know I ain't one of them Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] National Postal Fun Fly for Woodys only Entry list New Years Day
I noticed an entry from Australia... That's just a bit southwest of Texas... 8^)... It's summer there, isn't it? It's raining in Houston as I type this. I'm going to Austin tomorrow to pick up a Pik-20B, (real one). If I get rained out here in Houston like I did last year... oh well... Next Hawk is almost done. New Legionair 132 is next... 8^)... WileyHawk drawing is almost perfected and will be next... Legionair 100 wings concurrent to that... Have WOODYs will travel... Man I better get off here and get busy! The Texas Wood Butcher Jack Womack --- Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the entries have not been posted to the list yet. This link also has the rules. http://www.skybench.com/woodcraft/2005/postal.html#entry Hope your New Year is a good one... enjoy. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Interesting Club Traditions / S.Texas weather
Yep... and it's gone already. Nothing to shovel, no salt holes on cars... well, not from snow melt, anyway. Today, it's about 62 deg, wind about 5 from the south, and not a cloud anywhere. All the beauty of snow in the pines but none of the hassle! Jack Womack --- Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm missing something here... Why would anyone want to be where you can't comfortably fly year 'round? Merry Christmas from the south side of Texas...8^)... I couldn't resist this -- its midnight Christmas Eve and I was idly looking at the US surface map. Guess what? Its snowing all over S. Texas -- right along the coast from Northern Mexico to an icy mix in New Orleans. I didn't know they got winter that far south..a White Christmas not just in Houston but in Brownsville as well. Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Interesting Club Traditions
I'm missing something here... Why would anyone want to be where you can't comfortably fly year 'round? Merry Christmas from the south side of Texas...8^)... Jack Womack --- Bill Rakozy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Team! Here in Minneapolis, we missed The Big One. Unlike Muncie, the ground is barely covered with white stuff. However, the temps are minus -10 to -15 below zero. Hi (daytime) temp may hit +2. Just thought I would mention a tradition which our club conducts each January. We schedule a Freeze Fly on New Years Day. A dozen hardy souls head out on the surface of a frozen lake; launch a few sailplanes with a hi-starts, hand launch and electric park flyers, just to say we did it; drink hot chocolate (I think it's hot chocolate in those thermos bottles!); and head back to where it's warm and welcoming. Any other interesting winter Soaring Club Traditions to share? Merry Christmas to all! Pastor Bill Minnesota RC Soaring Society We Fly All Year www.mrcss.org -Original Message- From: Jack Iafret [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 1:09 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Ornery Jack Just finished the driveway for the second time. Not as much in my area of Michigan, maybe 6 to 8 but a lot a wind and two foot drifts in the drive. Kids are coming, grandkids are coming, wife is going nuts with cooking so I came up to my office to hide. It will be a busy and fun filled couple of d[Bill Rakozy] ays in Mich. Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Ornery Jack Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:59:16 -0500 10? Ha! Try 15-20! At least Muncie got snow. Cincinnati got freezing rain and sleet -- 10 of it. Can you say SUCKS! Rudy Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:47:06 -0600 From: Steve Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ornery Jack Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet there is about 10 of snow on that runway right now. Sorry to harsh your mellow. :-) At 09:31 PM 12/22/2004, James V. Bacus wrote: I just got another good laugh out of this... http://www.jimbacus.net/blog/video/OrneryJack.mov (broadband connection suggested) Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537 LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Interesting Club Traditions
Musta hit pretty close to the mark to get everyone typing this close to Christmas Even woke Gordy up! You mean you're not comfortable at 110 deg. with 90% humidity? That doesn't seem to bother me too much. I hope that doesn't mean the Good Lord is trying to tell me something... I do envy those in Southern California and Southern Arizona. We were warm this year but may break 90 inches of precip. if we're not careful. We didn't get in a single club contest this year due to WET!! Merry Christmas everyone. Jack Womack --- Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:03 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote: I'm missing something here... Why would anyone want to be where you can't comfortably fly year 'round? Merry Christmas from the south side of Texas...8^)... Jack Womack --- Bill Rakozy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't know you could fly comfortably year around in Texas. I spent 5 years on active duty in the Air Force and my only foreign duty was Texas. I remember summers in Hondo and Bryan Texas. Neither had comfortable flying weather for either models or real ones in July and August. Winter wasn't too bad between northerners Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Building Time
Last scratch was a Legionair 100 including the fiberglass pod, took about 6 weeks. Jack Womack --- Thomas Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just some fun stuff. I've been working on a set of 2M wings for a while. CF spar with Drela Joiners in a white foam, obechi sheeting. I started it last winter with the cuts and slowly have hitting up one piece at a time. Should be done with the wings at the end of the year. How long do your scratch built projects take? Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY __ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests
I'm looking for a full-scale sailplane. I will probably not fly near as much RC after I find it. I'm sure that when I get back into RC again we'll still be flying 10 minutes with 100 point landings... Just like after the last 20 year sebatical... 8^)... Jack Womack --- AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sentiments exactly. Flung what you brung no matter how bad it looks. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests
I'm looking for a full-scale sailplane. I will probably not fly near as much RC after I find it. I'm sure that when I get back into RC again we'll still be flying 10 minutes with 100 point landings... Just like after the last 20 year sebatical... 8^)... Jack Womack --- AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sentiments exactly. Flung what you brung no matter how bad it looks. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] One modeler's Christmas observation
So don't wrap them... Monokote them!!! Merry Christmas. Jack Womack --- Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a long time R/C modeler and retired statistician, I feel I now have gathered enough data to share the following observation with the RCSE community: Skills acquired during the construction and covering of model aircraft definitely do NOT transfer to the attractive wrapping of Christmas presents! (and a heat gun won't help!!) Taking a break from this arduous task, I wish everyone on RCSE a merry Christmas, Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Best NOS plane?
Barry, In my opinion, the best for what you're looking for is the Legionair. It's thin wing allows it to penetrate better than most from that era. It is difficult to find, and to build correctly. It's even more difficult to set up correctly and takes a lot of patience. However, when you get the CG and trim where they need to be, you will be amazed at the legs this model has, and the thermalling capabilities. I know Ray is working to get the Legionairs done, and I wouldn't speak for him in any way. If you can find a Legionair 140 and build the spar like a Bubble Dancer or Dark Star, you will be rewarded with an extraorinary model. I have two, a 140 and a 100, and will build another soon. Best of luck with your search. Jack Womack --- Barry Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinions sought on the best NOS plane. I have both a Sailaire, and Paragon and am dutifully reverent of what both mean to soaring. However, neither is very happy coming upwind. I've been looking at Ray Hayes' website: http://www.skybench.com/ I know about the Challenger, but am also considering the Cloud Bound 4 or the Pierce 970. I'm open to other possibilities as well. The expert opinions of this group sought. Barry Andersen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Best NOS plane?
Is it fair to answer with just a name and no explanantion? Why would you pick a Mirage... and... is it NOSTALGIA legal? I don't remember when it came out. JW --- Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mirage. Mark Isthmus Models --- Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, In my opinion, the best for what you're looking for is the Legionair. It's thin wing allows it to penetrate better than most from that era. It is difficult to find, and to build correctly. It's even more difficult to set up correctly and takes a lot of patience. However, when you get the CG and trim where they need to be, you will be amazed at the legs this model has, and the thermalling capabilities. I know Ray is working to get the Legionairs done, and I wouldn't speak for him in any way. If you can find a Legionair 140 and build the spar like a Bubble Dancer or Dark Star, you will be rewarded with an extraorinary model. I have two, a 140 and a 100, and will build another soon. Best of luck with your search. Jack Womack --- Barry Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinions sought on the best NOS plane. I have both a Sailaire, and Paragon and am dutifully reverent of what both mean to soaring. However, neither is very happy coming upwind. I've been looking at Ray Hayes' website: http://www.skybench.com/ I know about the Challenger, but am also considering the Cloud Bound 4 or the Pierce 970. I'm open to other possibilities as well. The expert opinions of this group sought. Barry Andersen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Most fun plane
For me it has to be the Houston Hawk. I designed it to teach building/covering techniques, and to be rugged for teaching some of the finer points of flying/landing. I guess the teaching part was the most fun, even though the model turned out to be rather competitive. I was so happy when I saw some guys that said they couldn't build or hadn't built ever coing to the field with completed models. I was able to pass on a gift the Fort Worth Planesmen passed on to me, when a couple of their members took me to contests and gave me building advise. I didn't have a father, and no way to get to a field or club meetings. Seeing other Hawks on the web and at the field is really special. That's something to really be thankful for Enjoy Jack Womack --- Louis Cimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know what plane you had the most fun with. I admit my Boomerang was the plane I had most fun with. I can throw it in any slope condition I meet without worrying. Sometimes I ballast it when the wind is really blowing. My Boomerang lost its rigidity long time ago because it met earth, trees, etc. so many times... But it still flies fine. I will rebuild it or build a new one for next summer. I cannot consider living without one. -- Louis Cimon. 141 rue Mistral Beauport, QC Canada G1E 5V4 tél : (418) 664-1023 http://www3.sympatico.ca/louiscimon RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Thanksgiving and Religious Holidays.
Please remember that for some, Thanksgiving Day is a time of cannibalism, whether Turkey or Ham is the main course... Happy Thanksgiving to all you Turkeys... and Hams... Jack Womack --- Tom H. Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy thanksgiving everyone. Tonight we soar with the turkeys! Let's all be thankful for being allowed to perpetrate our aerial sport/hobby; let's give thanks to the folks who provide us with the great modern, inexpensive electronics to the guy who invented EPP foam to the (recently deceased) guy who invented NIMH batteries to George Joy who keeps us charged up to Harley who keeps inventing and perfecting to Chuck Anderson for perspective to Gordy for comic relief to Dave Garwood for getting it all down in writing and on film to Daryl and Joe for keeping us inspired the farmer at the AMA site for planting beans this last year instead of corn Hey let's all give thanks to US; we keep ourselves pretty well entertained all year. Next week is the beginning of the holy week known locally as Bambidon, or in some of the more urban areas as Deer Gun Season. I will be off in a tree somewhere, and for once, not trying to retrieve a plane. If you write, it may take me a while to get around to responding. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, OH __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] I pity the boy who ain't got a Radio Shack....
Gordy's full of... uh... ballast... yeah, that's it. hehe! JW --- Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordy, I hope your review includes a ballast chart for all the popular sailplanes IE: Windspeed/ballast Windspeed/ballast you get the idea ?? Compulsion10 Mph / 12 oz 14 Mph / 18 oz etc.. Happy Thanksgiving Turkey, see you on the OVSS circuit next year. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: [RCSE] I pity the boy who ain't got a Radio Shack Wind Meter! Get this part $9.99! It even has a LED flashlight in the bottom. Smart device and made so that it can bang around in your flight bag with nothing to get damaged. Yup, an upcoming RC Soaring Digest Review ;-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Dreamcatcher
I have to say that regardless of whether someone had good service from any company at some time, it only takes once to leave a bad taste in your mouth. I ordered 2 booms and a short kit for a Grand Esprit, and a few other things. Since I ordered, I see that the short kit changed, and includes the boom at a different price - and below that it says sorry, sold out... I wonder if I'll get anything. My order was correctly placed on November 2. It would seem prudent to me that if one doesn't want to conduct business, that one would close and have a fire sale on eBay or something of that sort. I am not saying that Roy won't deliver. I hope he does. I would think things are pretty bad to get Marc Gellart hopin' mad. I haven't seen him post too many negatives. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] FS: Astro Jeff
My big, green Astro Jeff is for sale. It's never been crashed, and is well built with some reinforcements. The spars have been enlarged and carbon capped and the joiner is a piece of 4130 steel tubing, 7/16 dia. with a .120 wall thickness. It is very strong. It has Hitec digital servos for the rudder and elevator, and a standard servo for the spoilers. Asking $800 with servos and 1500 mah nicad battery... $700 with battery only... you pay for pack and ship. Negotiable, of course... Jack Womack ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] T N T
I'm going to T N T this weekend. I will fly the RES competition but may not fly anything else, as I don't have an open ship ready. If I don't fly open class, I'll visit only briefly Saturday and come back to Houston to help at the show at New Waverly Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contests, Landings, etc.
I almost hate to post this. In my opinion, to eliminate the need for all that extra technology, etc., you will need only to limit the launch line strength. Make it 80 - 100 lbs. and zero the flight of the second line break. That negates the wing strength having to be so great. With a line strength of 80 lbs. and a 600 foot line to start with, the launch technique is much more important, but the emphasis is on soaring. The last time I went to fly, I put the turnaround at the max legal length with a measuring wheel. Anyone that can't get 10 minutes from the launch I got... well... I flew all over the place. The actual fact is that if you don't like the current format, you're kind of screwed. Unfortunately, If you have the nerve to speak against it, you get stereotyped into the landing whiner category. Fortunately for me, I am getting back into flying full scale and, well, there are no landing points awarded there. It's a race. While this is logistically difficult to do with models, it's not impossible. I am personally tired of 10 minute 100 point TD to the point of quitting competition again. There are other contest formats that can be logistically simple to run that aren't so boring. Even running a woody contest or a nostalgia event is more fun than the same old thing... even if part of it is... the same old thing. I can land and I can fly and I practice... but to what end? Once there was a guy that was out flying a Nordic and decided he didn't want to chase his sailplane down wind any more. He thought that an r/c sailplane would be nice, especially if he could land it at his feet... What a whiner! He should be drubbed out of the hobby! The very idea that there could be a change... give us all a break... HEHEHE! Have fun with that one! Nothing like stirrin' the pot... I can see the veins bulging in the foreheads now... Jack Womack Sorry, I'm in a rather strange mood following a family tragedy... You guys are who I decided to pick on. I feel better already. Yep, I'm a sick puppy... Flame suit on! --- Stuart A. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a newbie at this game, but I have assumed that if you shorten the winch lines there will be even greater emphasis on energy retention during the zoom and therefore planes will need to be even stronger, stiffer, more aerodynamically slick which equals further development which then equals dollar$$$. I was shocked to see the local guys getting 10 minutes during very very light lift with no circling in thermals. Certainly that then means that the only way of discriminating these good fliers with their super machines is by measuring to the thousandths and requiring more difficult tasks. With all the technology in our machines, can't someone think of a way to automate the timing and scoring? You *cannot* be accurate to the hundredths, much less tenths with a stopwatch. Just ask any of our dragracer friends what the typical reaction time is. Perhaps an electronic tape that records when/where the nose hits (much like fencing might do) and/or a timing system that senses a release from the towhook? But then again, why complicate what is supposed to be a relaxing hobby? :) Jim Monaco wrote: Good points Daryl, Another example is F3J, where we are measuring time to the hundreths and nearly every competitor lands 95+ (with no skegs :) ). Check out the stats from the Worlds. There is talk of dividing the points between 90 and 100 to provide more discrimination. Landings are the only thing discriminating the leaders. There are lots of options to modify the tasks - shorter lines, longer times, different landings, each of which has it's own warts. The tasks as they have evolved are generally fair and accepted. This does not mean there is no room for change, just that one needs to understand the effect of the change on the game... and it is just a game... Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contests, Landings, etc.
Have a CD license, run large contests, etc... I know what they are like. I also know that we have folks that are stone cold bored with the same old thing. Like someone else posted, this has been this way since 1971 or longer. I left this hobby from shear boredom in 1980 and just came back 4 years ago to guess what... the same old thing... It still boils down to this: If you want to run a contest, you set the task. If it's the same old thing and you have no turn out or a great turn out, it's still the same old thing. If the task is published ahead of time, and it's the same old thing, I may come but I may find something else to do. If it's something different that peaks my interest, I'll probably break my neck to get there, just to see if it works. Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, once again experience speaks loud and clear. Let those who have better ideas step up to the pump, get their CD license, and run some serious contests, like the Soaring Nats, the Southwest Classic, etc, try these new ideas and find out what the contestants really like and what really works, and then if they still like their new landing or not landing schemes, get involved in a rules change. Just stop whining and get on with life. Regards, Dave Corven, AMA 878, LSF254 and damn near Level 5. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contests, Landings, etc.
Who said anything about making it easier? I can land with most competition pilots. I can certainly fly with most competition pilosts. I don't want to make it easier. I just want to de emphasize landings so that someone can't make up 66 seconds like Tim Bennet pointed out. I want to make it a soaring contest, and again, just not the same old thing. I've been back in the hobby 4 years and I'm already bored with the same old thing. As I remember it, and as one that was around in the early days of competition, landings were added as tie breakers. Let's get back to that basic. Let's have it there as a tie breaker, ONLY. If someone doesn't outright win, check their landing scores. The one with the most landing points wins and the other is second. WHAT A CONCEPT!!! Then it's a soaring contest that can't be won outright by making a bad flight decision and making it up on landings. Don't tell me it doesn't happen because I've been on both ends of that one, winning and losing. Some people just can't believe this comes up... The rest of us just can't believe it has never been changed. We're just as incredulous about this as you are. Jack Womack --- Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, people are leaving the hobby. The numbers are down for golf too. Does making the task easier keep the attraction? NO Make things too easy and people lose interest as well. People will lose interest because they want instant gratification. You want to eliminate the landing or minimize it and have fun FLY F3B!!! It has a landing that is 100 points for a 1 meter radius, and drops by 5 for every meter. So you can get some points without having to dork it. Landing is only important during TD portion and isn't present in speed or distance. You want more fun? Fly XCountry F3J, combat, Slope race. Each of those disciplines mentioned will get the adrenaline pumped. But please don't tell me that the landing task makes it boring (because it is the same old thing) Removing the landing task will do nothing to add to the excitement. The top pilots will make their times, so it certainly is not boring to add landings. Besides ever watch some out of control landing It's not boring 8) Jack Womack wrote: Have a CD license, run large contests, etc... I know what they are like. I also know that we have folks that are stone cold bored with the same old thing. Like someone else posted, this has been this way since 1971 or longer. I left this hobby from shear boredom in 1980 and just came back 4 years ago to guess what... the same old thing... It still boils down to this: If you want to run a contest, you set the task. If it's the same old thing and you have no turn out or a great turn out, it's still the same old thing. If the task is published ahead of time, and it's the same old thing, I may come but I may find something else to do. If it's something different that peaks my interest, I'll probably break my neck to get there, just to see if it works. Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, once again experience speaks loud and clear. Let those who have better ideas step up to the pump, get their CD license, and run some serious contests, like the Soaring Nats, the Southwest Classic, etc, try these new ideas and find out what the contestants really like and what really works, and then if they still like their new landing or not landing schemes, get involved in a rules change. Just stop whining and get on with life. Regards, Dave Corven, AMA 878, LSF254 and damn near Level 5. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Landings, etc.
Maybe you've agreed to not tip the Okie outhouse, but I haven't.. By the way, will they be segregated this year? I mean ... one for Texans, and one for Okies? Talk to the ranch folks about that, will ya? Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good comments all around. I certainly agree with the suggestion that it works best if those who have ideas become CDs and try them out to get feedback. Tim's done that. I've done that. Many of the others posting have done that. And we each come to somewhat different conclusions about how to address the issue. Interesting. So we go with what works - post the rules and potential attendees decide if that works for them. If not, don't attend. Maybe someday someone will hit the perfect combination for everyone but it's still out there waiting to be discovered. I guess my concern is not in the details but in the ability to continue to attract new pilots to the competitive side of the sport. As has been noted, NATS, Visalia, etc. are special cases. But what should we do at the local level which will be inclusive enough to keep the competitive juices going but not be discouraging to entry level pilots? Yeah, there's the part about 'tough noogies, take your lumps and learn'. You'll get plenty of that once you get started. But how do you keep them going through the first contest season so they want to keep coming back? Unless you already know a lot of guys and just enjoy the experience, it can get old being cannon fodder for others. Hope Visalia is a great event (again). Watch out for Nutter - he's been practicing. Closer to home, TNT is two weeks out and shaping up to be a great contest (shameless plug for our Texas brethren). Tim, Henry and the guys are working hard to make it a great weekend at Southfork in Dallas. They've even agreed to stop tipping over the outhouse when an Okie is in it! - dave r RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Monkeying with Contest Tasks.
That being said, we're running a contest Saturday in Houston. It's a stairstep contest and there are no landing points. That doesn't mean there are no landings. The landing zone must be made or the flight must be repeated. We're flying 2 classes, Novice and Expert. Novice will have a larger landing zone. Expert will start 2 minutes higher in the time category. But the landings have to be made. If I'm whining, what are you doing? If I'm Monkeying, it's about time someone did. If I held a 10 minute duration contest with 100 point landings, we'd get about half what I expect to see this Saturday. I've done this before, and it's fun, the contestants like it, and feel like they have a chance. 10 minutes with a 100 point landing, ho-hum, probably not... Man-on-man is great if you have enough flyers to mix the groups up good. It's by far the most challengeing and rewarding format I've seen. I think you have to have 30+ flyers to accomplish it in groups of 4 or more. Jack Womack --- Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see we are in for another round of proposals to improve the tasks flown in contests. So far, I haven't seen anything that hasn't been tried at least once in the last 30 years. Usually, someone becomes unhappy with whatever is giving them trouble at contests and sets out to improve the system by remove whatever is causing them trouble. Reminds me of something that I saw almost 30 years ago. A CD was unhappy with Triathalon because he was always landing on the odd minutes losing all precision scores. He decided to run a contest with his version of Triathalon where maximum scores are achieved by landing on odd minutes. Of course everybody knows what happened. He landed on the even minutes every round. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Deep-South Soaring Championships
We had a decent turnout of 19 for the Deep-South Championships. The overall points winner didn't place in either class, but placed high enough in both to have the highest combined score. Congratulations to Gene Trevino of San Antonio, Texas for his Grand Championship performance. This is important to mention here because he also won the Houston Hawk kit in our raffle. Tommy Lamnek won RES flying his Houston Hawk #5. Tim Bennett from Dallas won unlimited flying his molded Graphite. Jerry Griffith, of the thriving metropolis of Rendon, Texas (my old home town) was second in RES flying an Aquila XL. Paul Perret of New Orleans was second in unlimited flying his own design. Ralph Brogdon of San Antonio was third in unlimited flying a Sapphire. And, yours truly was third in RES flying Houston Hawk #4. I think it's worth mentioning that had we done raw scores without flight groups and normalization, Alan Jones would have won RES with Hawk #2. All in all, the Houston Hawk proved itself as a competiton model. The wind was a big factor and blew pretty badly for all of Saturday. We endured 4 rounds of both classes. Today's weather was mostly cloudy and windy until about 11:00 when the wind abaded somewhat. The last 2 rounds of the 4 we flew today were more enjoyable. We had some losses. Any loss of a model is sad, particularly if built by the guy wiggling the sticks. In all, we had 5 crashes, 4 of which were pretty much total losses. We learned a lot. Ray Brogdon scored the event in a very selfless manner. He didn't fly. Gary Seawright and his lovely family made lunch on the field - another selfless sacrifice of a weekend. John Hill was our caller, and didn't fly. We had several that came out and timed and watched, but din't fly. Gary Smith loaned us his winch, as did Steve Gibson. Tommy Lamnek was our winchmaster and lent his winch as well. Roland Beach took lots of pictures, set up camp every morning, took people's money, and generally boosted everyone's spirits with his Hell's Angels act... WE were successful because of these GREAT folks. So... The Deep-South Championships were a success. We flew 8 rounds of 2 classes in 2 days. Some of the things we learned... For this scenerio to work, you really need about 30 entrants. You really need them to preregister. You really need retrievers or a golf cart. You reallly need the CD to be not as stressed at work as I have been lately. I made my own check list, and followed another as well. Between the two, I had everything covered pretty well. There were a few barks at the CD...but that's to be expected. There were old friendships renewed, and new friendships made. I wouldn't have missed it for the world. Jack Womack President, Houston Hawks R/C Soaring Club __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Saturday contest...
Well... Saturday we intended to have a warm-up for Deep-South. It didn't work, and I was looking for animals in pairs and found only a pair of Hawks... really, I just kill myself...(yeah...right!) Since this coming Saturday is Mothers (read - WIVE'S) Day weekend, I think we need to go against our rules a bit and fly our warm-up the following weekend. I may get to fly some Sunday, but the rest of the weekend is shot to Hades... The weekend after that is Tri-County Barnstormers Gilder Contest at Willis, and we al need to go if possible. The weekend after that is the Deep-South, so we'll at least need to run the scoring program some before the contest, if Mother Nature doesn't play fair. The trophies are ordered, and there will be a Houston Hawk Kit raffled off at $10.00 per chance. We will have a breif meeting the Saturday before the contest, at the Star, beginning at 8:00 AM. We will begin the contest around 10:00 with flight groups of 3 or 4, depending on the winches, wind direction, member participation, etc. El Presidente... Juaquin Maria Fuentes Perez Womacotacofajita Great lover of Cammerones __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Deep-South Entry Forms
The form has been done and sent to out webmaster. Hopefuly he can get this done tonight or in the next day or so. Sorry... but my job's been kicking me pretty hard, lately. Seems they want me to work for a change. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Tri-County Glider Contest
Hawks, I saw a reference to the Tri-County Barnstormers Glider Contest for May 22nd. That's the weekend before the Deep-South and they always have some prizes. I won a pair of Hitec 55 Servos last time I was there. Not bad for a country boy. We should attend and support our neighbor clubs. I'm going Jack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Deep-South Soaring Championships
The Houston Hawks will host the Deep-South Soaring Championships in Houston on Memorial Day weekend. While we recognise the most competitive class is Unlimited, we also recognise the rise of the RES class into a more prominent position. Therefore, instead of just paying homage to this class on Friday afternoon, we will be running alternating rounds of Unlimited and RES. That will allow the scorekeepers time to set the next flight groups. AMA RES rules will apply, and skegs will be allowed. No hand-launch event is planned...sorry. Scoring will be normalized man-on-man with a max 25 point landing, down a 25 foot tape. This is a 2-day, single event, with trophies awarded for 2 classes and an overall champion on Sunday afternoon. Pilot's meeting will be at 9:00 AM on Sarutday, May 29th. Pilot's and Timer's attendance is mandantory, so there is no question left unanswered. Flying will commence at 10:00 with the first RES round. We will fly Saturday until about 6:00 PM, so bring lunch! Sunday there will be no pilot's meeting, and flying will commence at 10:00, with Unlimited getting us started. Flight groups and winch assignments will be assigned. If you are a no-show, you will zero that round. Pop-offs will be flown out. Winch malfunctions above 2/3 normal launch will be flown out. A spare winch will be at the end of the line, with a landing zone. The landing zone will be a 25' rope, with the landing zone extending in a radius off the ends as well as parallel to the rope. This will be explained at the pilot's/timer's meeting. Thanks for your interest... This will be the place to be to see the Houston Hawks in their own element. Jack Womack AMA 7068 Contest Director __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Contest Announcement!!!!
Contest Dates are May 29 and 30... JW --- Aradhana Singh Khalsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, What are the dates? Aradhana Singh Khalsa Espanola, New Mexico -Original Message- From: Jack Womack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Contest Announcement The Houston Hawks proudly announces the Deep-South Soaring Champoinships. Due to the recent upswing in RES interest, we will fly Unlimited and RES classes in alternating rounds on both Saturday and Sunday of Memorial Day Weekend. We expect to fly at least 8 rounds of each. There will be trophies through 3rd place in each class and a grand champion trophy will be awarded as well. We will hold a raffle / drawing. Scoring will be man-on-man normalized to 900 points, with a max 25 point landing (L-6). The Hawks fly from an 80-acre sod farm and it's arguably one of the nicer fields in the country. This is where the Houston Hawk flys! Registration is from 8:00 to 9:00 on Saturday, with the pilots meeting at 9:30 and the first flight group ay 10:00. Entry fee is $20.00 per class for both days. Entry fee for both classes is $30.00 if paid before May 15, 2004. Preregistration forms will be available shortly and will need to accompany your preregistration payment. We are growing, come help us grow. It is our hope that this contest will eventually rival Mid-South and TNT. Come be a part of that! Jack Womack AMA CD 7068 President, Houston Hawks __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] anti skeg movement
DOH!!! I'm not supposed to use the word s__g anymore! After a sever throttling 2 years ago on this very board, I swore off...I hope it's not like smoking...once and you're hooked again... Jack Womack --- Bob Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean...the anti-skeg movement has failed??? Nobody told me!!! The proposal submitted in the current AMA rules cycle was voted down, but like the Phoenix will rise from its ashes. :) Bob Johnson Fond du Lac, WI RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Spelling problems ( Should be Grammer problems)
Grammer? doesn't that end with ar?..HEHE! --- Steve Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mentioned spelling problems on posts here on RCSE. In the examples you gave, the words were spelled correctly but the words were used incorrectly. A few examples of incorrect usage on RCSE: your = you're loose = lose to = too = two = 2 we're = were = where But hey, I caught your drift ! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Just who.....
ordered this weather??? I have been conspicuously absent, but with good reason. I had to leave home unexpectedly Sunday and have just returned. This seige of wet, crappy, cold weather is enough to let us know what our friends to the north face every year. My project load has increased to the point that I am behind on everything in my life. I haven't worked on my Astro Jeff in weeks, and my second Hawk and the Altered Chicken wanting a bit of attention, as well. I'll be cleaning the work area tomorrow and getting back to work, though. It's definitely going to be too wet to fly. This mess will clear up soon enough, though, and we'll be back at it. Per the rules, the February contest is a bust, but we'll probably run a dual contest in March to make up for it. We will want to make a contest soon in Austin. We need to support the area clubs and Austin's club being new, should take some precidence. I want to make some in Dallas and San Antonio, too. I'll probably not make any long distance conteses this year due to weddings and large family gatherings I'm already committed to making...Idaho from July 1 thru 12...that ain't all bad... I'll be needing a small business loan for this wedding...in August. Anybody in the market for a bassboat??? Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Winter projects? What are you building???
Well, I am just about finished with the balsa overcast known as an Astro Jeff. I am building my second Houston Hawk with a stiffer joiner, and a lighter (not smaller) tail, and a lighter wing...I hope. I am going to take a break from wood building for a brief period and try a bagged wing model. I got Harley's CD on the Genie...I thought Barbara Eden was in there somewhere...darn!...but I was intrigued, anyway. I went to Don Cleveland's house today for bagging lessons and I can't believe how simple it is. I'm about to be dangerous... I can feel it. I am going to build 2 more Legionairs and another Grand Esprit before 2004 is over. With our flying season lasting all year, I don't have a building season. I just start hacking when I get the urge. Jack Womack --- gldr guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enough Evo stuff. Flying must be slow for many right now! Lets move on. So what are some of you building this winter for next flying season? Ill start it. Im working on a couple of F3F/slope planes, a Acacia 3M(will finish today, hoping for first flights next week at Davenport, weather permiting) and will start a Wizard Compact next week. After that build I have a FS01 Compulsion to get in the air before the next two day(April). Plus some minor repair work to my existing FS01, lots of building in front of me to finish before April. I hate to build, even moldeds where its mostly a radio install, so this winter is going to be a tough one for me. But that will be it for the year for me, had to promise the little lady there would be no more stuff coming my way for a while as in addition to the plane cost, its not exactly cheap to outfit a plane either, the budgets blown again! Any one else? Walter --- GG Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] WANTED TO TRADE
Just move to Houston and quit snivvelingWe don't allow such in Texas Although I must tell you we are having dime-size hail as I type this. I hope it doesn't get any bigger! Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will trade airplane shop and shack in the hills of central PA for a 10X10' plot of ground anywhere where the temp never goes below 65 degrees and there is never snow, sleet or freezing rain. It would help if the successful trader would throw in an old refrigerator box that I could call home. Denny Maize www.polecataero.com 717-789-0146 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] My Holiday Gift
In the song Mary Did You Know? the phrase when you kissed your little baby, you kissed the face of God is a reassurance for me that indeed He is the reason for the season, and for life, itself. With that ever in mind, make Christmas every day of the year! Give of yourself and the gifts will return many times over. Happy Holidays to all! Jack and Delores Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Flight
I think the voice was me.asking about Gordy's stability...Jack Womack --- Sheldon - YNT uDesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm...Was that last voice Gordy's??? -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Flight God said let there be air and there was lift The devil said let there be viscosity and there was drag The Wright broghers invented control and there was flight While a voice in the wildreness ask what about stability? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Rules Changes - Missing the point
My point is, Jack, that you, nor I, nor any one person should be the Keeper. You and I do not agree on some key points. Where do I go? The only place I can go in this situation is this public forum. Some of your friends seem to think I'm picking on you personally. I am doing my very best to show my respect for you but still get the point across that the system as it is will not change. No one person should be the keeper, or interpreter or the rules to a national format. I have no personal animosity for you, and I hope you know that. Jack Womack --- Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Jack, things have been in the process of change for two years now. Being the self appointed Keeper was just to have one while the process to go to an AMA rules book event took place and to try to have one set of rules rather than many Local rules. We do and have held Nostalgia events in this area since 1994 (that is where the idea came from) and I took on the job of writing the rules and keeping them up with requested changes from the flyers. If you knew the history you would know that I tried to keep to the AMA's schedule for rules changes and have twice since 1994 put the word out on RCSE and the national Mags (who did not care) to ask for changes. We got about 20 requests for changes (a guess at this point) and I sent out e-ballots to anyone who wished one so the rules are no longer mine but as much of the Nostalgia group as was possible to get to at the time. Other than the first issue, ego has nothing to do with it as it was as democratic a process as possible. There were maybe four changes incorporated but basically the rules stayed in tact (hopefully that means they were acceptable). At any rate I could see the time had come to see if the event would expand in the hands of the AMA and sent in a rules proposal about two years ago and as I last read in MA the proposal is well on it's way to AMA officialdom. If it does not pass, then I would gladly turn the process over to you to manage as long as it remains a democratic process (with users doing the voting) with all those involved getting a chance to vote on the rules changes. I still have a list of participants (mostly from the NATs and anyone on RCSE who voted for you to use, or anyone else who would like to take it on). Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: [RCSE] Rules Changes Tony Estep wrote: The so-called Nostalgia event has received much heat, because its criteria seem artificial and contrived... That's not why I object to the way the class is handled. I object to the lack of consistency, and the... yes you can... and no you can't... coming from one guy. There needs to be a committee of knowledgeable people that come up with what specifically can be changed, and what specifically can't. We will miss this class, or will we? As I see it, there isn't enough interest in the status quo to go anywhere...and I'm the only one running contests outside the NATS that has a NOS class, that I know of. I may well drop it, myself. I do not know Jack Iafret. I do not condone anyone running him down. He is, after all, the guy that came up with the idea for the class. But, I do have to ask by whose authority he is the keeper of the class? If he lets his ego get in the way, or makes a decision that just doesn't make good sense, where do we go to lodge a protest? It's truly sad, in my opinion that such a great idea is being passed over by so many that feel the same way I do. I know there are many because every time I post one of these, I get emails privately from people that say they agree, but don't want to post publicly. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: Re: [RCSE] Emphasis / de-emphasis on landings / skegs
Build that RES ship strong enough and you won't have to worry about it. Jack Womack --- Tom Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what? Why dumb everything down so you can't blow up a wood plane? There's an RES class at just about every contest I've been to and you don't have to hold the winch pedal down. Tom - Original Message - From: Art Mcnamee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Tim McCann Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] Emphasis / de-emphasis on landings / skegs Also our RES planes can't take a really hard launch. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Multiplex Evo
Where do we find out all the features and mixing available? I'm interested, but want to know I'm going to get everything mixed that I want. My Eclipse won't do all I want. Jack Womack --- Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can get currently are 9 channel EVOs with crystal and a 9 channel IPD RX. $465.99 plus shipping. Mark http://www.isthmusmodels.com --- gldr guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is selling the EVO? Is there a wait or are they readily available? Thanks, Walter --- GG Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Emphasis or de-emphasis on landings
Well... #1.) It's apparent that you have never flown full scale. #2.) I do not want to do away with landings. I want to do away with the 100 point system that allows a pilot to make a bad decision in the air while SOARING and make up for it with a good LANDING. #3.) It's apparent you've never flown full scale. #4.) Look in the rule book...it's called R/C Soaring...not R/C Sailplane Landing. #5.) Did I mention that it's apparent you've never flown full scale? #6.) Current landing rules encourage nose-first dork landings, because the only way to keep from dragging a wingtip is to stay a foot off the ground, and pop the nose straight down. You can crow all you want about being in full control of your model, but this boy ain't buyin' it. I did a bit of experimenting last time I was out and if I tried flair landings, right on target, I always hit that little clump of grass with 1 wing that spun me off the line. If I came in a touch high and popped the nose down, it was boink, right there. #7.) You really should go fly some full scale if you are going to expound on it. You apparently never have. Don't land it like a typical R/C landing, though. Those things are EXPENSIVE!!! #8.) I am in FAVOR of leaving the landings in as a tie breaker. If you come to a contest I run, don't expect to have 100 point landings. DO expect to have to use your soaring capabilities. If I come to your contest, whatever the task is, I'll do it and not complain. #9.) If you go full scale flying with me, puke in your shoe...do NOT puke in the glider...:^)... I'd say that I was stepping down off my soapbox about now, but I got into a pissin' match last time I said thatso... Rabidly against 100 point landings as always, Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine, I've had some time to consider the subject (driving miles and in motels rooms:) and to talk it over with some of the smartest and best TD pilots in the Midsouth The current whine about spot landings are completely wrong...at least their justifier is wrong. Every guy who complains about trick landings, or point landings of all kinds use the inarguable fact that full size sailplanes don't do those kind of landings... but they DO! In fact its mandatory with EVERY full size sailplane landing! One argument was that a guy gets all his time in the air (such a skilled air reader:-) but comes in for the landing, hangs a wing tip (must have been a ground thermal or gust) does a ground loop and ends up with a 20. Another pilot misses his time by a full minute (obviously a terrible air reader, short on soaring capability) but wins the contest!!! Oh the unjustice Lets switch on the lights and take a close look at the full size analogy argument. The full size pilot comes in for a landing, he's right up the center of the runway... but at the last second, hangs a wing tip, ground loops trashes his airplane and a few others, not to mention killing a couple of the guys bragging up their landings who were standing next to those wrecked planes. The point: Precision landings get more points because it shows that the pilot is in complete control of his model...attitude, speed, altitude, all in the enviroment happening at the time of his approach. (Don't bother jumping in with well no full size pilot would DORK!!! No argument..but we have that option because we aren't in the sailplane, and have to suffer the costs to our models by attempting the dork... in the case where a pilot decides he 'knows' how to MAKE a dork landing and walk away...its still skill...he knows his sailplane. In the case of the pilot who attempts the dork but doesn't know his model, soil conditions in the zone... he pays. ...but what about skegs??? No full size uses big nose hooks to stop their planes... Imagine banning belly wheel brakes, as an unfair advantage to landings... TD is a combination of understanding sailplane setup to realize its full potential ; reading air, and learning the best way to get your sailplane to take advantage of different shapes and strengths of lift..and sink; learning how to use all the energy stored in the winch battery, transmitted thru the line so that every atom can be converted into altitude. And finally... attempting to learn total control of your model...in wind, turbulence.. and ground effect, so that no matter what task is assigned the day you show up at a contestyou and your partner (that's your sailplane by the way) can say bring it on..dude :). Trick landings should be hoped for, 100 point tapes as an opportunity to move up the score board, to bury the float around guys or those guys who just have the knack for turning the right way off releasebut once near the ground, don't have a chance in heck of getting near that 100 spot. and if you're one of those soaring genius', make your mind up that, if landings
[RCSE] RE: De emphasized landings at Midsouth???
Jon, I have been to the same contests. In my mind, they are landing contests, pure and simple. It's a given that some guys are going to make their times just about every time. They are participating in a landing contest because that's all that separates them. Why, then, have 100 point landings. Say these guys have a not so hot day...it happens. Say that one of them misses a time 59 seconds, but makes a 100 point landing. Another makes his time but drags a tip and the resulting ground loop makes for a 24 point landing. Who won the round? The guy that missed his time. Why? Because he drug the other tip and the resulting ground loop luckily brought his nose in the right direction. Give me a 10 point landing for a tie breaker, not longer task times. In the above instance, the guy that made the time made a 2 point landing, and the guy that didn't made a 10 point landing. Who won the round? The guy that made the best decisions in the air. Why? Because the other guy's landing luck wasn't allowed negate that. Flame away - I don't care. There's a lot of skill getting into the landing zone consistently, that's a given. In the game of landing these things, there's too much luck at 2 points per inch. Yes, the good pilot group will always win. It's never the same guy winning by 5 points...the smiling face gets passed around alot. I would like to eliminate as much of the luck as possible. That's my better idea... Jack Womack --- Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To this I have to say... Yes, a pure soaring task IS what we want! Gordy said a Thermal Duration competition. It is anything but that. It is a landing contest and nothing more. Why not make the landing count only if the time is perfect, and then with a max of 10 points? Look, the landings only count unless you make all your times anyway. Read on. Stepping politely off the soapbox, now, and returning to my normally placid demeanor... Yeah... right. You talk as if every contest is decided only on landings. Please... The point you are missing is that unless you make all your times within a few seconds, you don't qualify for the 2nd contest. (i.e. the landings). As a person who has helped plan, design, and implement the MidSouth a few times before, I think I can speak with a bit of experience. The landing task has one major objective... to differentiate among the top pilots who can make all their times.With no differentiation, and good weather, the top 20 pilots will all be within 20 points out of 5000. Let's say you get your way and there are no landing points of any kind. What's left? Two things. Making your times (thermal soaring), and precision in landing times (not landing location). At a large contest, there will be at least 5 pilots who make all their times within 20 seconds. Do you want their trophies decided 1st through 10th, solely on the basis of how accurately they can put the plane on the ground relative to the clock. (remember no landing scores). So you see, even with no landing scores, it still comes down to how precisely (when) the pilot can put his plane down. For the rest of the pilots (who did not make their times), the landings simply do not matter. Some people just want to introduce longer flight times. If the weather is good, it's a very long and boring day. If the weather is bad, the guy who hooks up the first and only thermal on launch will burry everyone else. Shorter lines introduce the same luck factor. There may just not be enough time to hook up a thermal. The one guy who stumbles into lift right off the launch line will burry everyone. That's not a test of skill, either. So where is the end of the road? Either tasks must be more challenging (F3B), or we have to put landings back in. F3B is too man and equipment intensive (given our history in the US) to run a contest. The Europeans are used to showing up with 2 or 3 of their own winches for each team. Americans are not. We also do not have the labor force necessary to pull it off. That leaves us right where we are now. Not too long soaring tasks (so the pilots can fly lots of rounds) and some landing task that can quickly and easily be measured. Requires the least labor force to put on the contest, and the least amount of equipment. Reasonable amount of fun. Do you have a better idea? Regards, Jon __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Laser Arts
I've dealt wih Laserarts 3 different times, both personally and for The Houston Hawks. I am an old scratch builder that will never cut a rib again. We are doing a fun and teaching RES project with several members of our club, and I got the ribs and webs today. They are beautiful, indeed. I laid out the plan and spar caps to check the rib and web fit. I could never make it that perfect. If you're not using this service, which is indeed a bargain, you're missing out! Like the old Lennox air conditioner commercial said...Atta boy, Dave! Jack Womack --- Maloney, William E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know not many of us are building our own gliders these days. But for the few of us that are I have good news. Dave Meyers of Laser Arts is doing fantastic laser parts cutting. I purchased a set of laser cut ribs from Dave and they fit perfectly. There was a mistake in the quantities of the required ribs, but an email to Dave resolved the issue with no hassle, just an I'll send you out a new set. Wow, there are some great people with customer focus in our sport. Thanks, Dave I appreciate it. William E. Maloney West Area Engineering Specialist 2494 S. Orange Avenue, Fresno CA 93725 Phone: 559.497.7359 Fax: 559.441.8525 Cell Phone: 559.351.8698 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] BoT Replacements
My BoT zooms like crazy, weighs 44 oz. and will thermal out on a rabbit fart Our club doesn't posess a winch that will break it. I regularly get an extra 150 feet from my zooms. It's just a woodt on carbon stearoids;^)...and my Legionair 140 is meaner than that... It can be done Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often see new comers with planes such as Oly II's, Spirits, Gentle Lady's, Paragons, etc. using, or trying to use zoom launches. The zoom launch is not required or even very efficient for such planes. Better technique is to tap the switch to slow down the launch speed thereby using less line and just let the plane fly off at the top. Many of these planes are broken because beginners haven't been told that their planes require a different launch than the modern composite ships. Also, the current winches use very heavy line and usually have a retrieving attached. REMEMBER THIS. When the Bird of Time was designed and flown those of us that had winches had SIX VOLT winches. The rest used hi-starts. Any BOT will break if launched like a modern ship on a modern winch. Mike Clancy __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Thank You ----
Jack Harper for coming and taking up the money for the Woody Roundup. John Hill for helping out with winch duty. Don Cleveland for winch duty. Walter Higgins for your retriever and for winch duty. Tim Bennett, Bill Maserang, and Jerry Griffith for coming down from the SLNT club to help support our contest. AND...all the rest that participated. Though it was a tough soaring day, and though half our competition time was a rainout, it's still a good viable competition, and will grow, once the word gets out. Next year will be better, and better planned. I will be asking for suggestions as to our task selection for next year... Now if we can just get the weather to be like it was the last few weekends before this one. Thanks again and congratulations to the winners! Jack Womack Woody Roundup Competition Director __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Some thoughts on Wood Construction and our contest...
I received a question of eligibility about the Ava sailplane. I have never seen one so I don't know about it's construction. Primarily of concern are the D-Tubes in the wing. Are they molded, or are they ribbed and sheeted like the Bubble Dancer? In my opinion, the Bubble Dancer is about the epitome of built-up sailplanes. They will be welcome, unless they are bagged, or contain any bagged parts. I've seen some with bagged center sections, and built-up outers. I will not allow any sailplanes with foam or molded wing / tail parts, other than a molded fin on a fiberglass fuselage. Some of the European stuff with molded D-Tube and balsa rib construction is really nice, but doesn't fit with the spirit of what's being fostered by the woody movement. I want this to get to all interested parties because I don't want someone to show up with something, expecting to get to fly, and be turned away. That would ruin my day, as well as theirs. Anyone with direct knowledge of the Ava, please respond off the board, so I can make an intelligent decision...(there's a first time for everything, you know!) Jack Womack Woody Roundup CD __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Nostalgia Class Stuff
I just had a look at the Legionair 132 plans that I have. They are dated 2-77. I contacted the keepers of the class rules a couple of years ago and was told the 132 is not legal. I was told this morning by a friend that the Aquila XL that is being sold by Dreamcatcher is not NOS legal. I know for a fact that the Legionair 132 was available by kit long before Jan. 1, 1980, and my plans date, and closeness to the Legionair program and the Haga family at the time, proves that. What more do I need to make this aircraft appear on the list of NOS legal aircraft? There is a picture on Ray Hayes' page of Bill Haga holding a 132. This pic predates the deadline. What gives, here? My perception is that there's a hard nosed, preconceived list. Again, that's my perception, and I am not pointing a finger, just being straight up about it. If that isn't the case, please enlighten all of us as to the criteria for designs to be on the list. According to the rules as I read them, the L 132 should not be a problem. Thanks Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Houston Hawks host the second annual Deep South Championships
May 24th, 25th, and 26th. We will run Open Class and RES concurrently on Saturday and Sunday, and complete the contest Monday with Handlaunch. It promises to be a great time. The soaring around Houston in May is great. We'll be using a man-on-man format and we have plenty of winches. Most are brand new, and all are working well. We fly on 80 acres of St. Augustine grass and can generally set up in any direction...so no downwind launches or landings. We are trying to grow our club, so come help us grow. This will be a good one...don't miss it! Jack Womack VP Hawks Real men fly Legionairs... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Houston Hawks Web Address
Go to our web site for more details about Deep South Championships. http://home.houston.rr.com/kovacs/hawks/ Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] New AVA RES
I'm sure it can't hold a candle to a Legionair..;^)My 140 is almost ready Jack Womack --- Aerofoam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received my new AVA RES from Kennedy Composites and Vladmir or Graphite and Organic Fame. The Glider is an absolute work of art and weighs almost nothing. This plane is incredible! it is essentially a 130ish bubble dancer that weighs 35oz. RTF!! Thats not a misprint!! 35oz.!! this plane is really nice(and I don't like built up planes!) Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Hitec Service
Not too long ago, I made a pretty big stink about Hitec 225 servos. As a man that likes fairness, I have to praise their service department. I sent my bad servos to them and already have them back. That's really great service. To say only bad things about this company would be wrong, so here's a big THANK YOU to Hitec Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Plotting Cad Files
Well, I had some success today with getting some plans plotted. Here's the result: Step 1.) FORGET KINKO'S Step 2.) Follow the friendly advise given here and on the balsasailplanes board and find a blueprint house. I went to Ridgways in Houston with my diskette in hand, and the total will be about 22.00. Had I made it a .plt file rather than a .dxf file, I would have saved 5.00. The 22.00 may seem a bit steep, but it's acceptable since I can ignore step 1 and get copies to build over for about 5.00. Besides, next time, I'll be armed with a .plt file and it will be very reasonable. Real men scratcher...build...yeah, that's it... Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] AutoCad Question
I got my first plotted plans today. Wow! I can't believe how nice they are. My question for the group is where to go to get them plotted when you need them. These were plotted by a friend at his workplace...he's the one that got me started drawing this way. Kinko's gave me a disk and told me that when I got ready, I had to convert them to their format. It doesn't work. It converts word documents and pictures, but not dwg files...or am I missing something...Doh! I am good at missing stuff...any help would have me spending most of my modelling dollars on cad plots..at least right at first... Jack Womack Real men scratch build, and draw with AutoCad... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Blue ones...servos that is
So...where does one find these blue servos? Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] In all fairness...
I didn't mean to start a pure Hitec bash. They do, in my opinion have a problem that has cost me pretty dearly. But, I have not had a problem with the 85mg servos that I am using in the wings...yet. I guess I just NEVER had a servo go bad and maybe I expect too much. I will be getting some different servos, though. Count on that. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] RJ-45 Connectors
There is also a 10 conductor RJ-45 that is common in some IBM products. We're passing 100Mbps with the darn things, I don't know what kind of current draw a stalled 85-mg runs, but I think a quality connector would be OK. That's what I do for a living Jack Womack, RCDD --- Ryan Flowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James V and I were discussing this off-list, I really think that quality RJ-45 connectors would be perfect. They have 8 conductors, and as long as you bought STRANDED cable, and *quality* connectors, no radio shack junk ;-) _ Ryan Flowers - Reno NV http://www.ryanflowers.com http://www.cruiserpages.com _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] RJ-11's and 45's
I have to agree that the telephone connectors are not really designed for much current. I use RJ-45's by the thousands, but the current in a standard telephone circuit is usually 20 mils. I don't think I'd really recommend this for wing servos, now that I really think about it. The CAT-5 cable in most patch cords is 26 awg. We get them in 24 awg for special aplications, but not normally. CAT-5 cable has each pair twisted at a different rate to prevent crosstalk. I usually look to another source for servo wiring, but the 24 would do fine, and the 26 would be OK for short runs. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Max L/D vs Min Sink, and the effects of aircraft weight
An airplane is a giant physics exercise. I say exercise because it is a series of complex problems. I once read that drag reductions in full scale soaring had come a pound at a time. That means that getting to where we are today took a long time. That being said, we in RC soaring have come on pretty strong, and it continues. The fact is that some full scale ships have a better L/D or glide ratio when fully ballasted. It's a function of the airfoils and configurations used. They also have a higher sinking speed in the ballasted condition, and that's why they have dump valves. They are now optimized for fast cruise, with thermaling a secondary consideration. There have been 300 mile tasks flown where the pilot never circled in a thermal, and achieved better than 100 mph in average speed. We, on the other hand, and excluding the cross country boys, are interested in thermalling performance, first. Basic physics will tell you that a lightly loaded model will sink slower than a heavier one. It's like a skinny kid and a fat kid on the same hill on bikes. They coast down, with the fat kid getting there first. The hill, however, doesn't change for either of them. A sailplane in a thermal goes up at the rate of the thermal, minus it's sinking speed. This is also proven with bank angle. A lower bank angle will most often have the model sinking slower than a high bank angle, and the model goes up faster...right(?)...not always, because thermals have cores. I've been at 30 degrees bank and barely going up, and increased it to 60 degrees with the stick on the backstop and gone up at over 1000 feet per minute. Again, though, the physics of the thing are there and the numbers do NOT lie. The increased bank got me to the meat of the thermal where, before, I was floating in the fringe at a shallow bank, and not gaining much. I said all that so I could say this...there are too many variables to make a blanket statement that heavier flys better, or that lighter flys better. I will say that a Legionair flys better the lighter you can make it, but the patriotic one I flew at last years Mid-South, though a little heavy, did not dissappoint. Jack Womack Real men scratch build... --- Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Monaco asks: Can someone explain the difference between Max L/D and Minimun Sink? Assuming still air, Max L/D tells how far (i.e.: the maximum distance) you can go from a given altitude. Minimum Sink tells you the maximum time you can stay aloft from a given altitude. Obviously the two are not the same at all, and they do not normally occur at the same airspeed. The speed for min sink is generally a little faster (typically a few knots or so) than stall, and the speed for best L/D is faster than for min sink. Best L/D occurs at the speed where induced drag is exactly half of the total drag. Since the weight is approx. equal to the lift (at least at the L/D's we're interested in), and therefore more or less a constant, an improvement in L/D generally is the result of achieving the lowest possible drag. Since induced drag decreases with speed and all the other drags increase with speed, the minimum total drag will be at the point where the induced drag is exactly equal to the sum of the other drags, i.e.: exactly half the total. If your span is fixed, then reducing the weight will reduce induced drag, and therefore improve L/D. However, if the area is not changed, the plane will now be flying at a slower speed for a given lift coefficient, which reduces the Reynolds numbers, perhaps enough to cause problems for the airfoils used. There are also whetted area issues that get involved. Making the airplane heavier could improve performance in that case. The improvement would not be due to any blanket rule of thumb like heavier airplanes perform better (actually the opposite is more likely to be true), but because the airplane's design is suited for a particular range of flying weight, and adding weight brought it more in tune with that range. If the airplane is designed for the weight it's to be flown at, and that weight is less than others of the same span, then it will have less induced drag than those others at any given airspeed. Since the airspeeds we fly at are at least in part a function of the winds we fly in, the typical airspeed ranges of a given class of models tend to be similar. Therefore, reducing weight, provided that the design is aerodynamically tuned to perform well at that weight, will improve performance. It's only when you try to fly a plane at a weight well below what its design demands (regardless of whether its designer realized that or not) that its performance will improve by making it heavier. Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djaerotech.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe
Re: [RCSE] Common Experience Questions
Answers: 1b.) Because we're crazy...the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result...like I said...we're crazy. 2b.) No...they're pretty much the same bubble off plumb that we are, or short the same two bricks from their load...so why would it? ...;^)... Jack Womack Real men scratch build... --- Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must point out a common experience between us modelers. The modeling experiences of pilots usually share two commonalities. 1a. When starting out they did so alone and did much rebuilding. 2a. They urge new comers to not make their mistake. My questions are: 1b. Why did we not give up like most others do? 2b. Are we doing any good with our urgings? Bill Swingle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Max L/D vs Min Sink, and the effects of aircraft weight
Mark, I could not agree more with your commentary on the decline of full scale soaring. I witnessed some of the early development of the lead sled era. The first sailplane I ever saw was a Sisu 1-A in the process of being built by Len Neime and my brother. The one I sat in that day now hangs in the Smithsonian. You are correct in the wealthy man's toy assesment, however, there is a lot of fun to be had in the sports class. Too many people have passed on that one due to the glamour of the FAI classes. Let's face it, what was hot 25 years ago is something to progress from these days. A new AS-W27b with all the trimmings is upwards of $80,000. The new light weight fun stuff is the future of the sport, though the FAI racers will continue to go faster and farther... I hope that decline isn't mirrored in RC, though I see some parallels.. Enjoy... Jack Womack --- Mark Drela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Womack writes: The fact is that some full scale ships have a better L/D or glide ratio when fully ballasted. It's a function of the airfoils and configurations used. They also have a higher sinking speed in the ballasted condition, and that's why they have dump valves. They are now optimized for fast cruise, with thermaling a secondary consideration. There have been 300 mile tasks flown where the pilot never circled in a thermal, and achieved better than 100 mph in average speed. Full-scale sailplanes are fast and heavy because that's what the soaring contest rules favor. The mammoth Eta sailplane is the logical endpoint of this development. http://www.leichtwerk.de/eta/en/project_eta/ The unfortunate outcome of this development is that top-level competition soaring seems like a $$$ arms race, and this most advanced sailplane is a very rich man's toy. Perhaps it's not a cooincidence that there has been a steady decline in full-scale soaring participation over the years (according to an article in Soaring or SailplaneGliding I saw a while back). The Eta is accessible only to those who have too much money and too much hangar space. Partly in response to this trend, there is a significant grass roots movement back towards ultralight gliders which give up speed and range for exceptional thermalling ability. The 13.5m span, 145 lb Carbon Dragon is one of the earliest examples of this. See http://www.isd.net/sadkins/index.htm I've seen video footage of Gary Osoba pulling off a save from 200 feet in this glider, in an RC glider-type thermal, called microlift by soaring pilots. A more recent development is the 15m span, 150 lb Light Hawk (about 1/3-1/4 the weight of normal 15m gliders). See photos and test pilot report at http://www.glidersport.net/ OSTIV is on the verge of sanctioning a new Ultralight Sailplane category, if they haven't done so already. http://www.anla.gr/greek/library/ULSailplanes.htm This class should make competition soaring more attractive to a larger number of people. Sorta reminds me of the RES saga. - Mark RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] towline
Flying full-scale, when slack appears, we yaw the glider pretty hard. When the slack comes out it pops the sailplane back around with the force that would normally accelerate the sailplane or break the rope. Just a suggestion, as have never done any scale aerotow stuff...do you guys have that much control over the scale ships? BTW, I have a good bit of that 100kg florescent yellow/green trolling line I'd let go for $25 bucks shipped. There's probably still 1000' or more still on the spool. Regards Jack Womack --- John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All good reasons. JD -Original Message- From: Jimmy D. Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:26 AM To: Soaring Subject: Re: [RCSE] towline Agree, but the bungee can make up for for the imperfections in both pilots and planes, which result in a momentarily slack towline, which is usually followed by a nasty pop before things smooth out again. I am thinking of: * light glider without enough drag to keep the towline tight (airbrakes out helps too) * poor visibility conditions, poor eyesight * distance from pilots * turbulence * poor / inexperienced pilot(s) * insufficient power to maintain a steep climb which keeps the line tight off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Fun Contest in Houston Today
I'm sure glad I wasn't the only one that read the rules! JW --- Ed Jett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, that was what the rules said had to happen, right? Ed Jett - Original Message - From: Jack Womack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [RCSE] Fun Contest in Houston Today Well, When I got there, the troops were conspiring against me. They convinced me to run the stairstep of 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, etc. We set up a 20 X 50 runway and the flights were only counted if they terminated in a legal landing within the runway space, and didn't over run the task time by more than a minute. I don't remember who on the web suggested that task, as I didn't save the post, but THANKS! We really enjoyed the task, as it was very relaxed, but there was TONS of flying. NO landing points were awarded, but many had trouble making that runway, and had to refly. Again, lots of flying. That 11 minute task proved to be tougher than anyone could have predicted. Only Tim Bennet and I made it that far, and both of us in the same thermal. That tie was settled by a coin toss as there were out-of-towners that wanted to scram... Gary Litwak was 3rd with a Majestic, Tim Bennett of Dallas was 2nd with an Oly II, and I won with my Legionair 100...but only by a coin toss! Now you see why I thought it was such great fun...;^)... Jack Womack, Vice President Houston Hawks Real men scratch build... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Fun Contest in Houston Today
Well, When I got there, the troops were conspiring against me. They convinced me to run the stairstep of 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, etc. We set up a 20 X 50 runway and the flights were only counted if they terminated in a legal landing within the runway space, and didn't over run the task time by more than a minute. I don't remember who on the web suggested that task, as I didn't save the post, but THANKS! We really enjoyed the task, as it was very relaxed, but there was TONS of flying. NO landing points were awarded, but many had trouble making that runway, and had to refly. Again, lots of flying. That 11 minute task proved to be tougher than anyone could have predicted. Only Tim Bennet and I made it that far, and both of us in the same thermal. That tie was settled by a coin toss as there were out-of-towners that wanted to scram... Gary Litwak was 3rd with a Majestic, Tim Bennett of Dallas was 2nd with an Oly II, and I won with my Legionair 100...but only by a coin toss! Now you see why I thought it was such great fun...;^)... Jack Womack, Vice President Houston Hawks Real men scratch build... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Skegs
I have to agree about the FAI task and no skeg...Am I allowed to use the word, now that I have one on my Fazer? This is one of those things that just won't die. I saw one comment that said the AMA would go to the rules, but their rules...let's go all the way to the rules and use the FAI landing. If you want to keep it American, drop the meter part and just go with yards...works for football and golf, doesn't it?...8^)...I've been guilty of stirring this pot a couple of times before and what I really think is...let the cd decide and announce it in his/her contest announcement. Like skegs...go to those contests. Don't like 'em...go to those contests. Live in an area that does the opposite of what you like...become the cd and do it your way...Why does America have to be different on this? As far as the safety thing is concerned, I've been whacked across the shins with more than one wing, and I ain't hobblin'...just keep everyone out of the area upwind of the spot, except the pilot and timer, and deny FLIGHT AND LANDING points to those that land downwind or exceed the spot and a safety margin upwind. Stirrin' the pot again... Jack Womack Real men scratch build... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree with Simon, Klaus and others that skegs are crutches for most of us who can't land without them on the ridiculous runways for lawn darts often used in major US contests. We should adopt the FAI landing rules in US duration contests and forget skegs. Small (~1 high, 1/4 wide rounded) skids are quite sufficient for the FAI landing plan if you know how to land in a reasonable space. This would be much easier on our sailplanes and ourselves. Dale Nutter Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:56:44 -0800 From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Klaus Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SKEG's and Actual Piloting Skill Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have read here that the landing task is too easy, basically making it a landing contest. Skegs could be considered an external aid (like a crutch) to assist landing accurately. It would sure be interesting to observe how an individual's flying skill would increase if they actually had to manage the energy to land accurately and on time without one. I would have thought that most would have come to this conclusion, and made the landing task more difficult by removing this landing aid to make the whole process more challenging and no doubt more enjoyable. The argument that a skeg prevents sliding through the landing area and the dangers associated with this just points out that that particular aircraft is out of control. Klaus Weiss wrote: I have often commented, lightheartedly, on the use of skegs. We do not use skegs at all, in Australia. I have yet to see someone injured by a model sliding through the spot on landing. Admittedly, we use FAI landing spots, but even so!! If a model touches someone on landing, then it is zero landing points. Perhaps skegs have their place in the USA formats, but I think that there is a risk of pilots becoming so dependant on them for landing, that they forget how to land well. I haven't seen a U.S. TD contest. Perhaps there are models flying all over the place in the landing zone. Landing upwind, downwind, crosswind, vertically, inverted??? Don't know. Maybe skegs are necessary :) Maybe the landing zone is really the hazard zone. Klaus K Weiss Sydney, Australia www.hsl.org.au __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Looking for Suggestions
Ray Hayes is soon to be kitting the Legionair series of sailplanes. There is a 100 version. I have a scratch built Leionair 100 that is ready to fly. You din't really mention purpose. Are you looking for RES, Open, or what? Best of luck with your search. Jack Womack --- Marty Timm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently window shopping for a competition-capable sailplane in the 100 (standard) class range and am looking for advice. What's out there that people like in this class? What are you flying that you like? Feel free to reply either to the exchange or to me personally. Note that I am not looking to buy a used plane at this time, so don't bother telling me what you have for sale. Regards and thanks in advance, Marty Timm [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Happy Holidays !!!
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] TPG Contest - the ideal plane
Boysome of you guys must lay awake alot at night...;^)..JW --- David J. Schat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dammit... This thing is only in Beta testing but with all the new super whatzits coming out I better get it to market now. Introducing the Vapor Construction: hememetic photonic poly alloy (think Star Trek holodeck) - hand held projector is installed in your Stylus tranny, plug it in where the glider card goes. Sorry, available for Stylus owners only at this time. A new downladable product that can be sent via email for MPX and JR tranny's coming soon... no new hardware needed! Airfoil: fully adjustable in flight. Color schemes available: in flight adjustable - make it look your competitors plane and then fly near his plane to confuse the heck out of him 'till he augers in. Wing loading: zero ounces per square foot - actually can thermal in a vacuum. Span: in flight adjustable - fly the same plane in all classes - scale it to fit even in flight! - having trouble seeing it at a distance... increase span to the size of a jumbo jet if needed. This thing handles like a dream, launches without any equipment and hits the landing EVERY time - the projector monitors the timer's countdown and adjusts accordingly to make sure touchdown is within a millisecond of target time. Price - no money need change hands... just sign the invoice in blood. I'll collect your soul later. Availability - now shipping from a secret factory north east of Las Vegas. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Fliers TV
Hey...that chick is strapless...where's the censors these days, anyhow? JW --- Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there are a lot of Nostalgia fliers that read this list, that appreciate other nostalgic things. When it comes to these new fangled flat screen, flat panel plasma TV's, well, here is something a little different... (well, completely different) http://www.predicta.com/ 8-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Fazer Help...or...paging Brian Agnew
Brian or anyone that knows...I have no destructions as to the preferred CG, decalage, or control throws for my new Fazer (sp?). It has the RG-15 airfoil, and I'm going to be close this coming weekend. I have never heard of this model before I bought it and understand it was mostly built by Fred Sage. What else can you tell me about it? Jack Womack Conroe, Texas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Paging Phil with the Legionair Kit
I tried to respond to your email, but it won't go through... so pardon the use of bandwidth, here...The Legionair is one in the same, Cecil Haga was a very good friend of mine. I built some of the Legionairs he flew, as his time was tight with work and his kit business. My Legoinair was scratch built, and can be seen on the Skybench site. I used a carbon and balsa spar with a 7/16 chromemolly joiner, and as you might expect, it would take a full pedal launch. I added a touch of carbon in the empennage to stiffen it. My Legionair 140 was lost to a radio failure about a month ago. Ray Hayes has my plug and I destroyed my mold being stupid...i.e. the pod stuck in the mold and both were ruined...8^(. My current situation is that I have a Legoinair 100 framed with the other good pod I made, and I am going to patch up the broken fuselage and make another mold. With the launch situation fixed and the amazing performance of that model, it's hard to beat, even today. I was 3rd in RES and 8th in Unlimited on Saturday at Mid-South. The spars survived and the ribs are cut, and I'm busy with the 100 and my new Faser, but I will have a new 140 by the time summer rolls around. Apparently, you have a kit. Which one is it? I'll gladly answer any questions. To me, they were one of the best thermal models ever, and I am amazed at the penetration with that thin airfoil. I called mine my Tina Turner model...she might be old, but she still has great legs! Best of luck with it. Jack __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Leginair postmortem...
We were kicking the parkflyers around real good a couple of weeks ago. Suddenly, I saw about 300 hours of work destroy itself...(sniff!)...so I joined the fray. To those of you that urged me to look further...my receiver went south. Pure and simple, my Hitec-RCD-3800 receiver was the cause of the crash. That's my sad story. The up side is Delores is letting me order a MOLDIE!!! That sad expression works, sometimes, (I've practiced it to perfection..;^)..). Just in time for Christmas! The Legionair will not be rebuilt...I'm building 2 new ones, a 140 and a 100, both with carbon spars, for next year. Thanks to all who shared their opinions...I should have known, I was sure sick about it. Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Re: Death of Legionaire
Sorry to all for jumping to conclusions...my bad reaction to the destruction of what I consider to be the best effort of my modelling life of over 40 years. I have received sound advise like this from several on the board, along with condolences. I should know better as radio frequency is a large part of my proffesional life. I will check my receiver, switch harness, and battery pack very carefully and report when I can. The transmitter in not suspect as I flew another model the next day, all day, without incident. Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have to be careful not to start a park-flyer witch hunt every time some plane goes down. That is only one explanation of an RF source causeing a hit. You might be right or not, this time. But let's be scientific about things, and not speculate without solid repeatable proof. Else, we're going to see a panic in the modeling community. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Thanks Houston Hawks
The pleasure was ours, and we hope to see you again soon...either here or there. Very glad you enjoyed it...in spite of me...8^) Jack Womack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This past weekend I had the privilege and pleasure of flying in the Deep South contest hosted by the Houston Hawks. When I signed up a few months ago, I realized that I did know a single member of Hawks. That has changed! I now have 15 or so new friends. Thanks for a great weekend of flying and great camaraderie. Thanks for drawing my winning number for the raffle grand prize (a Don Cleveland HL glider kit). The guys from San Antonio missed a great day on Sunday! Check with the Hawks web site for complete scoring details. http://home.houston.rr.com/kovacs/hawks/ Don Richmond San Diego, CA (Pensacola, FL today) www.hilaunch.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Houston Hawks August 3rd RES and NOS Contest
Don't forget to come and bring a Nostalgia Class legal glider. There will be time for you to fly both classes if you want. RES will have L-6 landing and NOS will have the old AMA spot with graduated tape. RES will allow skegs or landing arrest devices if you will, but NOS will not. The NOS rules will be as posted on the SKYBENCH AEROTECH web site. The task will be 4 rounds of duration, possibly 5. This will be an add-em-up contest but the time target hasn't been decided yet...probably 45 minutes with a 15 minute max. We ran a contest where you could throw out your worst round and try again, with the catch being that you have to accept the refly round even if it's worse than the one thrown away. I like that so it'll probably show up again. CD will be yours truly...Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] My Soapbox
I kind of got on my soapbox this morning about the NOS classsorryat least I didn't mention skeg. Jack Womack __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
