Re: Steamlines Shay smoke generator
I used coal. real coal and crush it up and put it in the flue with a brass chute I made. I use a piece of brass rod to push it next to the top of the burner. It works good I dunno maybe the tire thing is better. But the smell of the coal is great. Walt Swartz wrote: If you could find tires made of natural rubber (smoke sheet) rather than synthetic rubber, it would probably smell pretty good. Once had a job cutting 3' x 3' x 3' bales of smokesheet into pieces that could be fed into the 'banbury' mixers to make tire rubber and calendared stock for the plies. Plant was powered by steam engine and jack shafts, belts, etc. I'm not as old as the mighty Geoff, he worked as a wheel wright in the pre Henry ford days! Keep your steam up! Mr. Lunkenheimer's associate
RE: few Steam Club members
The problem is we can't get people who have electrics to run down here either and there is allot of them. People down here just don't run very often. I agree that not everyone is going to run live steam and it usually requires someone who is mechanically inclined and thinks that tinkering if half the fun. I know I've dispelled some of the myths and converted some over to us by running the Accucraft Shay. But to each their own I guess. I would just like to run with more people and visit with them. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: few Steam Club members At 08:39 AM 2/18/04 -0800, you wrote: I am not surprised more don't like steam. - Gary Gary, Chad, et al, From my experience there's a certain group of people who dispite being the best of candidates for it are simply intimidated by live steam, or by what they think is involved, and will shy away from it no matter how much you show them otherwise. The only thing to do is let them be. Regards, Harry
RE: few Steam Club members
Maybe I need to move back to Whitefish so a least I can be 600 miles from you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jwmt_2000 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: few Steam Club members Then there are the ones like me, 4 zillion miles from any other live steamers, and too poor (due to a wife and two foster kidsG) to get started when we want to! Jon Wimmer Ekalaka MT (back to lurking now) --- Harry Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:39 AM 2/18/04 -0800, you wrote: I am not surprised more don't like steam. - Gary Gary, Chad, et al, From my experience there's a certain group of people who dispite being the best of candidates for it are simply intimidated by live steam, or by what they think is involved, and will shy away from it no matter how much you show them otherwise. The only thing to do is let them be. Regards, Harry __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
RE: Steam Clubs
We try to find guys but nobody seems to want to boil water down here. We run every Sunday and the layout is big so track time isn't a problem. We have had people come over from different places in the southwest to run. I guess we'll keep trying. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Steam Clubs Chad, We have four steamers in rural Humboldt County! Like Gary, we are all members of the local garden railway club where sparkies rule! Well, we steamers spark too at times ( I don't mean sparks from the stacks!) but sparks from the wheels. I am really surprised that you do not know of more small scale live steamers in Phoenix--I bet there are some hiding out there somewhere! Geoff. We only have three people here in Phoenix that run live steam. I wish there were more. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Steam Clubs While our club is not a live steam club, we have five members with Guage One live steam engines. Seattle, WA area has a sub-group of their club that focuses on live steam. Our Emerald Empire GRS is too small to break into smaller formal groups. In practice, some of us steam folk gather episodically to run only live steam without the other's knowledge and without offending anyone. Therefore, the best bet to locate small scale live steamers is to contact nearby clubs that appear to be 100% sparky oriented. http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/steam/stmorg.htm Vance Bass lists some organizations dedicated to G1 steam that may be able to supply names to contact. http://www.livesteaming.com/events/events.html Train meets for ride on small scale steam http://ctgscalers.tripod.com/down_the_line.htm Another interesting resource page I just found via www.google.com Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
RE: Steam Clubs
I run straight propane. I got tired of all the problems dealing with butane. The containers are benzomatic 14 oz and can be found at most hardware stores in America/Canada for $2.00. No waste refilling and it seems to burn hotter for some reason that I can't really explain. The container and regulator will fit inside a 1/20 or 1/32 car. The containers usually last for 4 hours and can be discarded when done but NOT refilled.(well they can be but I wouldn't bet my life on it if you know what I mean) The regulator I use keeps the pressure at 18psi and I also use an inline valve for fine adjustments. I run my engines every weekend along with another friend who also uses propane and we haven't had the problems we had before with butane. There is only a little black hose that comes out of the back of the tender so you really don't notice it. This has also made room in my tender for a receiver tender pump and a battery pack that runs everything including my head light. You should at least try it if your tired of spinning your wheels dealing with the alternative fuels. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arthur S. Cohen Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Steam Clubs Geoff, The pressure in a tank containing any liquified gas is related to the liquid's temperature, not how full the tank is. By letting gas escape from the can as you did, the liquid in the can evaporated absorbing heat, cooling down the remaining liquid in the caan or tank, lowering the liquids temeperature, and consequently lowered its pressure. The sparks your powerful locomotives' wheels caused was them grinding themselves into the track. What's electricity? Luz sends her love. Arthur, Mexico City
RE: Steam Clubs
We only have three people here in Phoenix that run live steam. I wish there were more. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Steam Clubs While our club is not a live steam club, we have five members with Guage One live steam engines. Seattle, WA area has a sub-group of their club that focuses on live steam. Our Emerald Empire GRS is too small to break into smaller formal groups. In practice, some of us steam folk gather episodically to run only live steam without the other's knowledge and without offending anyone. Therefore, the best bet to locate small scale live steamers is to contact nearby clubs that appear to be 100% sparky oriented. http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/steam/stmorg.htm Vance Bass lists some organizations dedicated to G1 steam that may be able to supply names to contact. http://www.livesteaming.com/events/events.html Train meets for ride on small scale steam http://ctgscalers.tripod.com/down_the_line.htm Another interesting resource page I just found via www.google.com Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
RE: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results
Are you going to post this on MLS forum? Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Gathman Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 8:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Diamondhead Drawbar Pulling Contest Results The following are the results from the Drawbar Pulling Contest at the International Small Scale Steam-Up at Diamondhead, Mississippi held Saturday January 17, 2004. The pulling device used was the one designed by Bruce Gathman as written up in Steam in the Garden magazine and measures in ounces of pull from the drawbar. 2 Driver CLass 1st Bob McHale 7/8ths BAGRS Wood Thing 20.3 2nd Murray Wilson 1936 Marklin6.8 4 Driver Class 1st Karl Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Millie 39.8 2nd Gerald Miller Roundhouse Forney 34.5 6 Driver Class 1st Peter Oelschlaeger Roundhouse Gunga Din52.2 2nd Tim Chamberlain Cheddar Baldwin 41.7 3rd Ernie Noa Roundhouse Old Colonial 34.9 8 Driver Class 1st Bob Weltyk Accucraft K-27 109 2nd Dick Jacobs Accucraft C-16 65.9 3rd Steve Heselton Accucraft C-16 64.8 4th David BaileyDJB C-25 Coal 49.6 Smaller Gauges 1st Brian GibsonBassett Lowke Mogul 13.9 2nd Bill Shipp Coffee Pot13.8 3rd Jerry ReshewRegner HO 1.1 Geared Locomotives 1st Joe HallAccucraft 3Cyl Shay 127 2nd Chris Sortina Accucraft 2Cyl Shay 95.5 3rd Bill Payne Aster Climax87.8 4th Al Bowyer Accucraft 3Cyl Shay 83.5 5th Al Sadler Aster WM Shay 66.0 As the saying goes - Shay - Gears Rule! Although not weighing nearly as much as the K-27 the new Accucraft 3 cylinder Shay out pulled it by about 15%. Many owners made numerous excuses for their poor performance but the results do not lie. A couple of the winners were the same as last year and need some competition. The three wins and you are out rule may come into effect next year. Start tuning now for next years competition. The links provided below are ways to donate to a cause or causes for free. www.bigcats.care2.com www.breastcancer.care2.com www.children.care2.com www.oceans.care2.com www.pets.care2.com www.primates.care2.com www.rainforest.care2.com www.theanimalrescuesite.com www.thebreastcancersite.com www.thechildhealthsite.com www.thehungersite.com www.therainforestsite.com
RE: Chad: Whistle question
You could give Larry a call at 714-521-6254 I think he has a two chime whistle for K-27 You could also get a hold of Ron Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] the owner of Steam in the Garden Magazines to get the back issues on how to put it all together. Hope this helps Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Magill Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Chad: Whistle question Is there any posting or location where we can see/read details about the whistle hardware and installation?? I am sure interested for my K-27!!! Regards / Happy Holidays Bob Magill - Original Message - From: Chad R Schend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: RE: Chad: Whistle question The Whistle is made by Larry Bangham. He sells the aperture and valve for $60. You build the resonator yourself and he will provide plans for it or you can get the back issues of Steam in the Garden Magazines to see how it's done. So far the best mod I've done Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Chad: Whistle question Chad, What sort of whistle did you install in the K-27? I am used to seeing steam come from a whistle mounted low or under the engine. This one looks like it is on top. Steaming over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Chad R Schend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Updated my site Just in case you want to see it www.livesteamer.com Merry Christmas Chad
Updated my site
Just in case you want to see it www.livesteamer.com Merry Christmas Chad
RE: Updated my site
Yep and it's called Epoxy grout. It's the stuff that professional kitchens use on there floors. It's tougher than the tile and is hard as a rock. It won't stain, rust, freeze or anything. They also use it in kilns. The cons! Expensive, tough to work with and can lock up on the tile if you don't get it off in time, Need a respirator unless you like the doctors office and it only available in limited colors. Another way of going about it is to use a acrylic additive in your grout instead of water. This resists many stains and makes the grout more durable. Mapei makes a variety of epoxy or acrylic based epoxies and they are the only ones I recommend. It may be tough to do but grout is the weakest part of tile and using epoxy will guarantee that you will never need to seal or regrout ever again. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Updated my site Thanks Chad! Speaking of tile . . . is there any grout or grout sealer that absolutely stops discoloration? Regarding your video clips. How large are they? What format did you use as a good compromise between size and clarity? Your Ruby fuel tank looks like it can keep a fire going for a long time! Watch the water level! Steaming over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Chad R Schend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Updated my site Just in case you want to see it www.livesteamer.com Merry Christmas Chad
RE: Updates to Small Scale Live Steam Resources site
Thanks Vance for all your work Greatly appreciated Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:52 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Updates to Small Scale Live Steam Resources site Hi, all, This is to let you know that I have posted some updates to the Small Scale Live Steam Resources site. They all involve the dealers and manufacturers page. Here's a brief synopsis of the updates: * Many of Accucraft's UK and European dealers now have web sites where you can see and/or order the locos they don't advertise on their North American site. * A new manufacturer, Tootle Engineering, has appeared, offering 16mm/ft scale models in live steam or battery power. Some are dual gauge, some 0 gauge only. * East Branch Trains offers a variety of services for small-scale live steamers, and deals in used locomotives. * LocoBox makes a very interesting line of 16mm/ft scale locos, including some very nice-looking Garratts, for either 0 or 1 gauge. Accucraft's Ruby kit has been delayed, but is still listed in the upcoming products. I have had to stop sending out mass notifications directly to you because of rejections by spam filters that don't like having a large number of addressees. I'm sorry to have to drop that service, but I hope that posting the changes here will keep everyone up to date. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Does anyone have detailed pictures of the Accucraft electric Shay?
Or close-ups of the prototype? Thanks Chad
Propane regulator update
I wrote an article about running propane in our engines and I guess the manufacture has been getting allot of calls so he told me to tell you the following to help out. Part Number: GNPresReg Phone: 905-681-5460 Website: www.greatnorthernmodels.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't know the part number before so that's why I left it out of the article. Chad
RE: Propane regulator update
Hello Bob The article can be found at www.livesteamer.com The article is about using off the shelf Bernzomatic propane bottles and use them in our engines. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Magill Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Propane regulator update Hello Chad --- Sorry, I must have missed your propane article. Could you point me at it? I would sure like to read it. Also, was the issue in this email related to FILLING and a required regulator to control fill pressure/rate ?? Many Thanks --- Bob Magill San Ramon, CA. - Original Message - From: Chad R Schend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: Propane regulator update I wrote an article about running propane in our engines and I guess the manufacture has been getting allot of calls so he told me to tell you the following to help out. Part Number: GNPresReg Phone: 905-681-5460 Website: www.greatnorthernmodels.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't know the part number before so that's why I left it out of the article. Chad
Running Propane instead of butane
I placed a new article about running propane on my site for those who may be interested. www.livesteamer.com Chad
RE: Running Propane instead of butane
Hey Vance, I'm glad you enjoyed the site and I hope to have more up soon. I didn't have to modify anything except the tender with the tube. The engine has never ran so good and only every now and then do I have to worry about the regulator getting cold. I am running the jet with the bigger orifice I think but to be honest I ran them both and it didn't seem to make that big of a difference. What did you think of the site as a total? If you see something that I should include or change please let me know. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Running Propane instead of butane Chad, nice work. There was an article many years ago in Garden Railways by a fellow from Quebec who ran all his steamers on propane, with a trailer car very similar to yours. He seemed very pleased with the results, and your experiences sound similarly positive. I take it that you didn't make any modifications to the jet in the burner? How about the air adjustment? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
RE: Running Propane instead of butane
I'll try to put an article about the water pump up next weekend. I'm not sure what has been done out there and what hasn't. I've had the pump for awhile and really do enjoy it. I have another pump idea in mind but haven't taken the time to explore them more. This week I'm going to post how to install a working light in the C-16 and the Shay. The Shay also includes a micro switch so the light will switch between the two. I also have more reviews on some of my cars and I'm working on an article about sand blasting the drivers for the C-16 and Shay. And there's allot more but they will have to wait for a while until these are done. If you have anything you would like to see let me know or you can write something that you've done that maybe someone else could use. Thanks again Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bede McCormack Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Running Propane instead of butane Hi Chad, Any chance burning propane will shorten the life of the boiler, especially the flame tube the burner pokes into? Also, yes, very nice site. The video of your whistle seems to show an eccentric pump in the tender- is this a water pump? Any chance you'll post a short description of how you set this up? I've always wanted to do this on one of my locos and would welcome any ideas! Thanks, Bede McC. On Sunday, Nov 23, 2003, at 19:35 America/New_York, Chad R Schend wrote: Hey Vance, I'm glad you enjoyed the site and I hope to have more up soon. I didn't have to modify anything except the tender with the tube. The engine has never ran so good and only every now and then do I have to worry about the regulator getting cold. I am running the jet with the bigger orifice I think but to be honest I ran them both and it didn't seem to make that big of a difference. What did you think of the site as a total? If you see something that I should include or change please let me know. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Running Propane instead of butane Chad, nice work. There was an article many years ago in Garden Railways by a fellow from Quebec who ran all his steamers on propane, with a trailer car very similar to yours. He seemed very pleased with the results, and your experiences sound similarly positive. I take it that you didn't make any modifications to the jet in the burner? How about the air adjustment? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
RE: Running Propane instead of butane
Sorry I forgot to answer your questions. The flame tube's (poker burner)life should not be affected because butane and propane burn at the same temp. (1500 degrees) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bede McCormack Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Running Propane instead of butane Hi Chad, Any chance burning propane will shorten the life of the boiler, especially the flame tube the burner pokes into? Also, yes, very nice site. The video of your whistle seems to show an eccentric pump in the tender- is this a water pump? Any chance you'll post a short description of how you set this up? I've always wanted to do this on one of my locos and would welcome any ideas! Thanks, Bede McC. On Sunday, Nov 23, 2003, at 19:35 America/New_York, Chad R Schend wrote: Hey Vance, I'm glad you enjoyed the site and I hope to have more up soon. I didn't have to modify anything except the tender with the tube. The engine has never ran so good and only every now and then do I have to worry about the regulator getting cold. I am running the jet with the bigger orifice I think but to be honest I ran them both and it didn't seem to make that big of a difference. What did you think of the site as a total? If you see something that I should include or change please let me know. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vance Bass Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Running Propane instead of butane Chad, nice work. There was an article many years ago in Garden Railways by a fellow from Quebec who ran all his steamers on propane, with a trailer car very similar to yours. He seemed very pleased with the results, and your experiences sound similarly positive. I take it that you didn't make any modifications to the jet in the burner? How about the air adjustment? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
RE: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
I don't think I got the previous messages leading up to this response. The reason I used the camping stove is that butane becomes too cold to maintain pressure in the winter and I was looking for a solution for it and the fact that when we fill our butane tanks there seems to be allot of butane that escapes. I am working on a different solution but my job is taking all my free time. I'm very interested in what Cheddar is doing with their engines though and as soon as I can I will order some stuff from them. I'm happy to say that the camping stove idea does work well and my run times with the Regner pump is around 3 hours. The problem I'm having right now is the controls in my C-16 and I hope to have that resolved soon. For those of you who are interested, we had our third steamup this last Saturday and it was great. I don't know how many times we ran our engines but I was sure tired when it was done. I'm hoping to get a few of you that live in the Southwest to come over if you have the time. Phoenix is nice in the winter so if you get sick of the cold it might be a nice break for you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Mike, Chad might find that a small camping stove will serve his purpose and be well within his budget. Stores that sell camping, backpacking, and mountain climbing supplies would be the places to look for small, portable, and simple burners that use butane or butane/propane mix. Stateside, so-called military surplus or army-navy stores often carry a selection of small gas-fired portable stoves as well. Some of them are nothing more than a gas ring on a tripod and a connecting hose to a gas bottle. A few years ago I found a $25 butane portable stove with a ceramic burner at Walmart. Steve
RE: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Ya the Shay is the best all around engine you could buy. My engine is an Accucraft C-16 and if you would like to see a movie of the bangham whistle in action then go to my web site www.livesteamer.com and download the movie on the front page. It sounds like you have done allot with the engine and it runs good but you still have a few issues that need to be resolved. First you need to conserve the money you spend on the butane! You can buy cheap can of it at Oriental markets or at Target. The stuff at Target is in a green can and says butane on it in black letters. You can find it in the camping section in the back of the store. Once you get this you need to build an adapter for the can. This is easily done by using the stock butane filler you got with your Shay. You simply buy some R/C aircraft fuel line from the hobby store and a 1/2 inch piece and place it on the brass filler tube. Now you'll be able to slip the tubing on the butane can's outlet. I've used this method all year and it works great. Second you need to get some Gary Raymond wheels for the front pilot of you loco. The link is on my links page at my web site. Third you need to fix the oiler and there is a great article by Dave Hottmann that was published in Steam in the Garden magazine. I have a copy that Dave sent to me if you would like to e-mail me direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will respond with a copy. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert Edmunda Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Chad - Ref your problems with a C-16. I assume The Accucraft model. First I havent got all of the story and secondly, I dont know if I can be of a lot of help, most of you people writing on these pages seem to have more knowledge of G1 engines than I do, but maybe if I just ramble on who knows:- I also have a C-16 and have had various problems with the fuel system, the tank of which is originally in the tender. I found that when the loco gas tank was warmer than the gas that I was trying to refuel, the gas would not go into the tank. Solution, I let a couple of drops of gas fall on the Ronson valve to cool it. (Make sure no open flame is near) It worked. The tender had to be filled with warm water to get the burner to burn long enough to boil the water in the boiler! Getting the heavy brass sand dome off in order to re-tank the boiler needed asbestos fingers or a long, long, wait. There is an M5 Diam.x 0.5mm thread on the boiler backhead ( should connect to the non existant water pump) which is blind and sealed with an M5 screw. Here I fitted a ball valve (clack-valve UK) and now refill my boiler with a domestic pump bottle. No more hot fingers and have the water guage and pressure guage in sight. My new R. C. receiver is very small and I can fit it between the Johnstone ( is that right)? bar and the front right of the cab. This leaves the area on the left of the cab for a new gas tank ( home made, hard silver soldered)with a Regner filler valve (I have been informed that 50% of Ronson Vales are defect ex works!!) and the new tank has marginally less content than the the original. The loco now behaves and gives the pleasure I would have liked from the the start. I can now refuel and take on water under steam all day if I have so much free time. A steam manifold mounted on the boiler backhead allows things like a steam whistle to be fitted under the frame using micro servos. I have mounted my battery pack on the tender footplate, and can lead a wire to the headlight LED. I still have problems with uneven track (frost heave) causing the small wheel flanges to climb over curves etc and I am considering new wheels with less scale flanges. I prefer a loco that works well, to one that looks good only on perfect track. I would be pleased for any help I can receive on this subject or the vast amount of oil the dead-leg oiler uses, or better said directs to the smokebox. The small Shay runs beautifully on all track and by fitting a rear (longer) sliding drive shaft joint to the front!! will even negosiate RII curves without binding. Thank you. Bert. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Oh. There isn't too many people named Chad so I thought it was me. Thanks Chad Schend -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Chad, Sorry for the confusion. I was responding to Chad Burns, whose message had been forwarded by Mike Chaney a few days ago. Chad Burns was inquiring about small gas burners. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I got the previous messages leading up to this response. The reason I used the camping stove is that butane becomes too cold to maintain pressure in the winter and I was looking for a solution for it and the fact that when we fill our butane tanks there seems to be allot of butane that escapes. I am working on a different solution but my job is taking all my free time. I'm very interested in what Cheddar is doing with their engines though and as soon as I can I will order some stuff from them. I'm happy to say that the camping stove idea does work well and my run times with the Regner pump is around 3 hours. The problem I'm having right now is the controls in my C-16 and I hope to have that resolved soon. For those of you who are interested, we had our third steamup this last Saturday and it was great. I don't know how many times we ran our engines but I was sure tired when it was done. I'm hoping to get a few of you that live in the Southwest to come over if you have the time. Phoenix is nice in the winter so if you get sick of the cold it might be a nice break for you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Mike, Chad might find that a small camping stove will serve his purpose and be well within his budget. Stores that sell camping, backpacking, and mountain climbing supplies would be the places to look for small, portable, and simple burners that use butane or butane/propane mix. Stateside, so-called military surplus or army-navy stores often carry a selection of small gas-fired portable stoves as well. Some of them are nothing more than a gas ring on a tripod and a connecting hose to a gas bottle. A few years ago I found a $25 butane portable stove with a ceramic burner at Walmart. Steve -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/
RE: Boilers, Burners etc.
I had a plug on the back of my C-16 blow at 60psi when I was bench testing the engine. The bolt hit me in the chest and didn't really hurt even though it left a bruise. The water that came out was luke warm and not as hot as I would have thought. The plug was located toward the top of the boiler on the backhead. The engine was about 50% full so there was steam but the water came out at the same time. I'm thinking that maybe our engines are to small to really have a catastrophic explosion. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Henner Meinhold Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Boilers, Burners etc. Hi, here some of my thoughts about boilers, burners and HO Live Steamers #1 Boilers: Having read the thread about the Midwest boiler I would like to present some heretic thoughts: So far I have built three silver soldered vertical copper boilers with nicely flanged plates and pressure tested to at least 2..3 times operating pressure. They are equipped with safety valves and additional silicon tubing between the boiler and the steam engine, acting as another safety device. But I am not sure anymore, if this is the right way to go, at least for very small boilers. The reason: In Model Engineer I read several articles about boiler failure. Once a leak develops, the pressure in the boiler drops slightly, developing more steam. The more or less constant pressure behind the leak causes the rupture to propagate with disastrous results. The whole system now acts as a steam rocket. In fact, exploding boilers have been known to travel several blocks. In our small boilers we have different conditions: The small amount of water/steam together with the small dimensions is not sufficient to start the propagation of the rupture. The water/steam will simply escape until the boiler is dry. Of course, the effect of hot steam and some reaction force trying to propel the boiler are still to be considered as a safety hazard. But the bottom line is: A small boiler does not explode. Now back to boiler design: Let us assume, for some reason the safety valve fails: The Midwest boiler is a fairly flimsy design, which should fail at low pressures. One of the solder joints might open up, releasing steam/water at reasonably low pressure and thats it. On the other hand, a well designed silver soldered boiler will build up a very high pressure (probably more than 10 times operating pressure). When this eventually leads to failure, the steam/water escapes much more violently with parts being torn off and hurling through the air. So the explosion of a well built boiler may be more disastrous than the failure of a flimsy one. The ultimate solution could be a well designed copper boiler with one or two soft soldered melting plugs as last chance safety valves. Any comments ? #2 Alcohol burners: My suggestion is to use silver soldered joints everywhere. In case of an alcohol spill the last thing you want to happen is one of the joints to open up. Brass tanks can easily be silver soldered (e.g. with Easyflow or an equivalent solder with a 617C -1143F melting temp.) without any distortion - photos on request. I use the swiss precision shear/bending brake now carried by MicroMark for all my sheet metal work. For tanks I make 2 U-shaped parts which can be put together with a slight press fit, secured with some bailing wire and soldered. It takes less than 1/2h to make a perfect tank ! #3 HO and smaller live steamers. Moeller in Germany sold electrically heated HO live steamers (a 0-8-0 tank and a 2-10-0 ) for several years. The heater was in the boiler and they even had Walschaerts gear. An Australian by the name of Sherwood built even smaller steamers with tiny butane burners, less than Z-gauge ! Links/schematics on request. As I am out of town Mo. ..Fr., I can respond only on weekends, apart from off-line mail. Regards Henner
RE: knock, knock ...
I just thought I got kicked off of the list because my subscription ran out. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Chaney Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 12:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: knock, knock ... Gary. First the faucet handle simply broke off. There's a moral to this sad tale. Call a plumber. Or are the good ones as rare as hen's teeth, the same as here in England? Mike
RE: Need a Boiler Built
Hey Bob. Are you going to the steamup at Terry's this Saturday? You might try Cheddar for the boiler. You can find them on my links page http://www.livesteamer.com/links.htm Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Gehrig Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Need a Boiler Built Hi I am looking for someone to build a boiler for me. It needs to be 3 in dia and 6.75 long. Anyone out there have any ideas on who to contact about this. I am not sure about what to fire it with but would prefer gas fired. Thanks Robert Gehrig Webmaster at www.gdbarri.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator
I guess I'm just a worrier. I'm just afraid that someday our hobby will suffer the consequences that other hobbies have suffered. Take parking lot rally racing. I used to enjoy taking my Porsche out and having some fun with it at the local college. Nobody got hurt and the Police would run there cruisers with us. Then because someone wasn't thinking about safety and checking their car before the race, one of their tires came off and hit one of the attendees. The person sued and won so our hobby came to an end. This could have been avoided if the racer would have followed the rules and used the lug nuts that was required. But he was one of those guy that you couldn't tell him anything so we all lost out in the end. The same type of thing happened when I flew model aircraft. The club was given land by the local airport and the only rules were that you could not fly over the fence behind us into the runways space,you had to fly below 400 feet and you could not fly alone. That was a fair deal considering all the land we were given and the fact that the airport built the runways for us. But apparently not for everyone because one of our members decided to not only to fly his hot dog plane alone but he went over the 400 foot barrier while doing stunts and lost control of his aircraft. His aircraft crashed into a landing 727 FedEx jet and cause big trouble not only for us but the airport as well. When it was all said and done we lost our land and our AMA license and insurance just because someone could not think of others. I could go on and on about the 180 railroad park our club is in now but I'll wait for the day we get sued or kicked out because of the unsafe practices the 7 1/2 gauge guys partake in. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteama Subject: Re: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator At 09:35 PM 9/8/03 +0100, you wrote: Hands up those who have never done it! A few of us have touched on this before (at DH maybe). In observing the proceedings it became obvious to us that if and when an injury occurred (whatever injury might be) it was much more likey to result from a firing accident than a boiler accident. One thing I don't have in my tool kit which I should have is a reliable fire extinguisher. I've not had good experience with the Co2 capsule variety. Regards, Harry
RE: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator
Well Sir, There was the time that two engineers got into it because one did not like to sit on the siding while the other one went by, so he went ahead and rammed his engine into the other one. It wouldn't have been so bad except they were both had passengers on board (about 30 each). Then there was the incident were one of the members bought a used steam engine that hadn't been certified for 10 years but the guy ran it anyway even though it failed the clubs inspection. ( and they let him ) Then there's the multiple times one of the members ran his loco at night with no lights on the train and the layout with multiple passages (which wouldn't be so bad except he also didn't have anyone spotting at the rear of the train either ). I've also seen a couple of engineers jump from their trains to turn switches while the train were still under steam and full of passengers. I seen a engineer jump from his train because he thought it was going to derail but instead it just kept going down the tracks full of passages. I could go on and on... I don't say anything, others out there know what I'm talking about and eventually something is bound to happen. The guy who ran his train into the other guys train is still a member!!! (even though he punched the other guy in the face after the incident. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator At 03:32 PM 9/8/03 -0700, you wrote: I'll wait for the day we get sued or kicked out because of the unsafe practices the 7 1/2 gauge guys partake in. Chad I've been in 7-1/2ga for quite a few years so naturally I'd be very interested to know what unsafe practices you are referring to. Regards, Harry
RE: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator
Ya your right people do make mistakes. I'm sorry for being so brash but it only takes one person to ruin it for us all. There has been many times I came into the house with no eyebrows! Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Cheddar gas shutoff/regulator Chad I observed that, or one like it, the steamer was actually filling his gas tank to ready for steaming when an alky fired engine passed by. The alky flame lit the butane and the resulting blast also blew out the alky fire in the loco!~ I saw a similar thing happen in Diamondhead a few years ago; a cute steamer of the gentler sex was walking besides her Schools (of course, I was close to her!) as it steamed sedately along] --but-- a fellow was filling his butane tank in the midddle of the running track! The big ball of flame made the sweet lady jump a foot or two. he didn't make an A.H of himself, he was one, but that is another story! In the case of Sacramento, the butane steamer was very embarrassed and learned a lesson, he was a great fellow otherwise, we all make mistakes; as some half melted ties on portions of my track demonstrate! Alcohol is safer, butane should be banned--Whoops, I just ordered a butane fired loco--cancel that banning; Butane is wonderful!! Geoff. There is a picture floating around of a guy filling his butane while the boiler was lit at Diamond Head. I can't find it so I just tell you that he made an ass of himself because a 3 foot tall flame shot up from the boiler. According to Bing, this is exactly the reason Accucraft never came out with a hand operated water pump for the C-16 even though they put mounting holes in the tender for one. If your going to try this kind of stuff please do it at home and not around others. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Cheddar gas shutoff/regualtor I believe any butane burner has to have oxygen so they are designed to pull in air from the back of the burner . So, if you fill the tank while the burner is alight, then any escaping gas (which sinks) will be pulled in with the air at the back of the burner and you will most likely get a ball of flame-like a backfire. It could choke the fire as Mike states, but not always. Depends how much the air is saturated with the gas. I had a vertical boiler loco with the gas tank some distance from the burner. I would often add a shot of gas to the tank without any problems. Lucky?--That is the only loco I have tried that.--I agree with Dave. Geoff Why not? It can't possibly ignite from the loco you're filling if it's a gas poker type in a flue. (Mind you, I don't do it either as it chokes the burner and puts the flame out.) i thought it prudent to warn people this is not an accepted practice and does have the potential of danger. not that it is the be-all and end-all guide to the hobby, but the aster manual says, When butane tanks are filled it is common for a small amount of gas to escape and surround the locomotive. For this reason, never attempt to fill a tank unless the fire has been extinguished. ... \dmc -- ^^^ Dave Cole Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton Everglades Steam Excursion Co. Pacifica, Calif. USA http://45mm.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004 For more information, visit the web site at http://www.summersteamup.com ^^^
RE: BPE safety valve
I second that. Chad I build stuff for law enforcement throughout the nation and Canada and I've come to the realization that the only reason we have laws and rules is to govern those who cannot think for themselves or be considerate of others. In other words we have laws to govern dummy's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: BPE safety valve At 12:32 PM 9/6/03 -0700, you wrote: I'm getting a little worried about everyone's safety inasmuch as so many keystrokes have been devoted to the perils of the Midwest Boiler Michael At 11:39 AM 9/7/03 -0700, you wrote: Don't forget, folks... there are two safety valves on the Midwest steam engine... the first being the silicone hose popping off . . . Jon In other words there are NO safety valves on the Midwest boiler and it has brass as a part of the pressure vessel structure. Why, when doing it right takes so little additional time and effort, some of you continue to recommend as safe and acceptable boiler practices which are directly contrary to long-time world live steam practice and unacceptable in all other major live steaming countries is beyond me. I'm not anti-Midwest or anti-Project per se, and the purpose and goal of the Project is an admirable one, but to me this isn't about having an easily built project which is probably not going to cause an injury this afternoon, . . . this is about what is good safe practice to adopt, and to recommend to others to adopt, as a personal standard of safety for a lifetime in live steam and that when followed will never result in personal injury on account of a structural failure. This should be adopted as Rule #1 for all of us. Those who for some reason can't see fit to adopt Rule #1 should IMHO be shown the door. They are a danger to the rest of us. Everyone is of course free to do as they please in their own garden but to the rest of the organized live steam world brass, soft solder, and no safety valve are unacceptable in a miniature boiler PERIOD and aren't even open to discussion. One can't expect to post information to the contrary to an international fourm where so many people come to seek sound information and guidance and not have it scrutinized, questioned, and objected to, if only by me. Regards, Harry Wade Nashville, Tn
RE: Throttle travel on Accucraft Ida (or Ruby)?
Nice R/C install. What's the name of the glue that you used? Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. McNeil Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Throttle travel on Accucraft Ida (or Ruby)? Hi all, I am new to the list. By way of introduction, I have an Accucraft Ida which I have fired twice. The 1st time it ran great, but fell off the kid's LGB track going too fast around a curve (no damage). I just added RC so I can run it on the San Diego Garden Railway Society's track at the Walter Anderson nursery. I have also built a Hartford Products 4 wheel flatcar and a derrick car. I have a caboose with really cool Carter Bros. swing motion trucks under construction. You can see pictures here: http://www.xardas.com/ Now to the question: The 2nd run of Ida was with RC. With the throttle open just a tiny bit, the only way to control the speed was with the Johnson bar. Is this normal? What is the total throttle travel I should set up (measured as degrees or distance moved by the end of the arm would be fine)? Thanks, John
Phoenix's first steam up.
We had our steam up two weeks ago at Terry Liesegang's house here in Glendale Arizona (suburb of Phoenix). The temp outside was 105 degrees and as you can imagine, it didn't take much to warm up our engines. Given the temp and the fact we only gave everyone a week's notice, the event was allot of fun and encouraged us to do it again every month. Robert Ashby was one of the attendees at the event and had never owned a model train in his life. He had so much fun at the event he went out the following week and bought himself an Accucraft Shay and a Ruby so now we have a new person in our hobby. If you would like to see the pictures and movies of the event I posted them on my web site. www.livesteamer.com Chad Schend
RE: Stolen Locomotive
I would like to know if we could buy the burner and tank for our other engines. This might be a way to make good money. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tag Gorton Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Stolen Locomotive On 21/8/03 5:50 pm, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can only hope that the thief is ready for the classic World's dumbest crooks list or TV viewing which means the loco will turn up soon enough to enable this likely gorgeous loco to be manufactured and for the rest of us to run the loco as budgets allow. There is one at http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15260. Or at http://www.modelsteam.co.uk/ If you look you can see the footpath by the trees at the back. This is a simple pre-production model with nothing in the way of detail. The production models will look rather different. Luckily the locomotive was almost redundant in terms of design work and these models will start rolling in about a week and I am waiting for one myself which I hope to collect at the end of the month. I did run this model on several occasions and particularly enjoyed the fact that the gas burn lasts one and a half hours without even trying. I decided to buy one after running for around half an hour and then leaving the loco simmering in a refuge siding while we ate lunch beside the train. I then continued running for another forty minutes before running out of gas. The loco is also able to be ready to steam in just over a minute and has the best chime whistle I have ever heard. Tender holds about two hours of water before stopping at a water tower. The American version is weeks away Lowlife can be incredibly stupid. Steve Tucker built his first garden railway in St Ives Cornwall. The line was visible from a spot passed by all the summer holidaymakers and drew crowds when it was in steam. It was the only one in the town and known by almost everybody. This particular no-neck ripped up some of the track and tried to sell it to the only model shop in town.. -- Yours Aye Tag Gorton Longlands Western Railway Trematon Office Saltash Cornwall Directors: T. Gorton, Madame E. Lash
RE: Stolen Locomotive
What would be the reward if the loco is damaged? The reason I ask is there is a good chance if I find someone with it I may beat them with it. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Chaney Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Stolen Locomotive Copied from the 16mm list:- On 19th August the prototype Hercules loco was stolen from Cheddar Models premises. Hercules is an 0-6-0 Tender Loco painted red. The loco is easily identifiable as it is unique. Specification: Loco is fitted with radio control gear Unique CML Valve gear Pressure gauge Water gauge Tender is fitted with hand pump and gas tank Reg. valve Double chime whistle is fitted under the tender. Any information leading to the recovery of the loco will be rewarded. Phone: 01934 744634 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Thirsty K-27 - syringe is a problem
The Regner pumps 550ml an hour with the bigger pump option. This would be perfect for the K-27. If you want to see it work you can visit my site www.livesteamer.com I have a movie of it running in my C-16 on the front page Chad Schend -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeffrey Williams Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Thirsty K-27 - syringe is a problem The inside diameter of my 60 cc syringe is 1.150. Area is just over 1 square inch. So, to push that syringe against a boiler pressure of 80 psi (pop off pressure on my K-27) would require on the order of 77 pounds of force on the syringe plunger, assuming no friction in the syringe. Vance, you must own a high strength steel syringe and have biceps like Arnold! Now if you had a 0.5 inch diameter syringe a foot long, you might be able to do this! Vance Bass wrote: Tom, I believe Jack Verducci has a pressurized water stop on his railroad, so no, that's not new. My previous suggestion -- a syringe with an appropriate tip to fit your Goodall valve -- still sounds like the best fit to your requirements. They hold 50-60ml and will deliver water as fast as your valve will admit it to the boiler. It shouldn't take more than a minute or so to empty four of them and it will be a whole lot easier on your hands than the pump bottle. You already have at least one plastic syringe. Give it a try and see if it works for you. -vance- I'd never just want to do what everybody else did. I'd be contributing to the sameness of everything. Captain Beefheart
RE: Running our way
Harry, No these guys are great just like most people in the hobby. I've tried it a couple of times and my engines usually run out of steam in the middle of a run so it clogs up the track. The layout that we have access to is large and the track often disappears behind things like the garage and house. If I could get a decent water pump and extend out the run times then it would be better. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harry Wade Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Running our way At 11:42 AM 7/7/03 -0700, you wrote: we have a club here in Arizona that like to run schedules and do switching and whatnot. It's looks fun but because of the short run times and the fact that my engine usually run out of steam in the middle of a run, I can't participate. Chad Chad, I'm wondering if you've been told by someone in the club that you can't partcipate, or if you just decided for yourself not to try? Regards, Harry
RE: Paying for my hobby
I know there is a market out there. It may be slow at first but the this end of the hobby is growing and we all know the worst thing that can happen is running a boiler dry. Even though I like to fill my boiler and tend to my engines I don't care to have to do it every 20-30 minutes. Anything to extend the run times of these engines would be a big benefit. Also we have a club here in Arizona that like to run schedules and do switching and whatnot. It's looks fun but because of the short run times and the fact that my engine usually run out of steam in the middle of a run, I can't participate. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ray Baughman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Paying for my hobby My railroading is a very limited budget, and Ive come up with a way to support my habit. Im thinking of starting a small business making components for Gauge one live steam locomotives. A few examples are a check valve and an axle drive pump with built in bypass valve. I could also design and build custom components. Im taking a simple survey to see if there is a market for this kind of work. If you have any comments, or youre might be looking for any of these or other components now or in the future, please respond to me offline. Ray
