Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Martina Addiscott]

Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !

It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
"Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.


I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !

See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted


If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.

Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott.


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Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Reinhold Kriegler]

 
Dear Martina,
 
I still remember your previous message!


The world is crazy!


In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went
to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking
with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest
owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths
through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law
courts!

My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women
colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I
was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me
“There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a
harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you
see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!

http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen
uhr.html 

   Stundenpunkte
 
I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage
<http://www.ta-dip.de/> www.ta-dip.de  and I am always grinning when I
see that the link was visited again…

Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that
analematic sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots
of funny comments and write the names of those who want to ban the
sundial on it! 
 
A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a
wall of shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a
beautiful big laughter around the world!
 
Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!!
Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…!
 
 
Reinhold Kriegler


* ** ***  * ** ***
 
Reinhold R. Kriegler
 
Lat. 53° 6' 52,6" Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N.  GMT +1 (DST
+2)   www.ta-dip.de
 
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjU&fmt=18
 
http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html
http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html
 
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
Im Auftrag von Martina Addiscott
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20
An: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic
sundials ?
 
 
Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !
 
It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
"Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.
 
 
I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !
 
See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted
 
 
If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.
 
Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Martina Addiscott.
 
 
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Thibaud Taudin-Chabot]

Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an 
analemmatic sundial?

Thibaud

At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote:


Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !

It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
"Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.


I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !

See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted


If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.

Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott.


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RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Ross Sinclair Caldwell]

I remember this discussion a year or so ago (maybe more?)
A dialist in Australia explained that the school argued that the children would 
be tempted to spend too much time in the sun because of the dial.
In another part of this discussion, perhaps in the UK, someone mentioned that 
the school worried the dial would provoke fights over using it, or just because 
it was there. 
These sorts of things.
Ross Caldwell43° 20' N3° 13' E


> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:46:18 +0200
> To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
> From: tcha...@dds.nl
> Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic 
> sundials ?
> 
> Did any of the schools ever mention what the danger is of an 
> analemmatic sundial?
> Thibaud
> 
> At 16:19 15-5-2012, Martina Addiscott wrote:
> 
> >Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
> >our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
> >interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
> >their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !
> >
> >It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
> >"Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
> >and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
> >the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
> >opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.
> >
> >
> >I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
> >Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
> >also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !
> >
> >See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted
> >
> >
> >If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
> >being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
> >E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.
> >
> >Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
> >would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.
> >
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Martina Addiscott.
> >
> >
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[darkroom3]

Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students?  It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next fall.  Our principle and teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several different lesson by the entire elementary school.  My environemental club made small sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human sundial project.  Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and still all everything you gave me to help make the sundial at school.  It will happen.


 


I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their students instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. 


 


Pat





-Original Message-
From: Reinhold Kriegler 
To: Sundial Mailingliste 
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21 am
Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?









 


Dear Martina,


 


I still remember your previous message!


The world is crazy!


In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts!

My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!

http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenuhr.html 

   


 


I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage www.ta-dip.de  and I am always grinning when I see that the link was visited again…



Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that analematic sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments and write the names of those who want to ban the sundial on it! 


 


A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a wall of shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a beautiful big laughter around the world!


 


Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!!


Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…!


 


 


Reinhold Kriegler


* ** ***  * ** ***


 


Reinhold R. Kriegler


 


Lat. 53° 6' 52,6" Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N.  GMT +1 (DST +2)   www.ta-dip.de


 


http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjU&fmt=18


 


http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html


http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html


 


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im Auftrag von Martina Addiscott
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20
An: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


 


 


Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that


our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an


interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since


their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !


 


It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar


"Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,


and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to


the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the


opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.


 


 


I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in


Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have


also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !


 


See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted


 


 


If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials


being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by


E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.


 


Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I


would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.


 


 


Sincerely,


 


Martina Addisco

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[David Bell]

It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even concern 
over their welfare. It all comes down to liability. 

Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later develop 
a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the school 
responsible!

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 9:15 AM, darkro...@aol.com wrote:

> Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at 
> school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students? 
>  It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by 
> hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school 
> bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next fall.  Our principle 
> and teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several 
> different lesson by the entire elementary school.  My environemental club 
> made small sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human 
> sundial project.  Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and 
> still all everything you gave me to help make the sundial at school.  It will 
> happen.
>  
> I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the 
> weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their 
> students instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. 
>  
> Pat
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Reinhold Kriegler 
> To: Sundial Mailingliste 
> Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21 am
> Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
> 
>  
> Dear Martina,
>  
> I still remember your previous message!
> 
> The world is crazy!
> 
> In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a 
> lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the 
> class on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are 
> thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the 
> forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law courts!
> 
> My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues 
> and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called 
> by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other 
> good teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years 
> old girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is 
> the jealousy, nothing else!
> 
> http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenuhr.html
>  
> 
>
>  
> I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage 
> www.ta-dip.de  and I am always grinning when I see that the link was visited 
> again…
> 
> Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that analematic 
> sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots of funny 
> comments and write the names of those who want to ban the sundial on it!
>  
> A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a wall 
> of shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a beautiful big 
> laughter around the world!
>  
> Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!!
> Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…!
>  
>  
> Reinhold Kriegler
> 
> 
> * ** ***  * ** ***
>  
> Reinhold R. Kriegler
>  
> Lat. 53° 6' 52,6" Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N.  GMT +1 (DST +2)  
>  www.ta-dip.de
>  
> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjU&fmt=18
>  
> http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html
> http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html
>  
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im 
> Auftrag von Martina Addiscott
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20
> An: sundial@uni-koeln.de
> Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
>  
>  
> Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
> our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
> interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
> their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !
>  
> It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
> "Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
> and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
> the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
> opportunity to

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Frank King]

Dear Reinhold,

You write...

  Create a wall of shame with lots
  of funny comments...

Your story is full of drama.  There is
good news...

  ...Herr Kriegler sei der beste Lehrer an
  der Schule...

Then the bad news...

  ...da hatte dieser Satz die Wirkung eines
  Stichs in ein Wespennest.

Some people suffer a kind of allergic reaction
when they see an Analemmatic Sundial.  This
reaction sometimes results in serious brain
damage.

There must be an evolutionary explanation?

Perhaps, when seeing a user standing on an
analemmatic sundial looking up and down at
his own shadow, these people are reminded
of a Cobra about to attack?

This brings on a desire to destroy the
snake and its environment.

You can test your own sensitivity when you
look at this cartoon:

  http://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=jcon3346

Does this give you a headache?

Tschüß

Frank

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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[darkroom3]

 
Those  are utterly ridiculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at 
school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students?  
It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by 
hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school 
bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next fall.  Our principle and 
teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several different 
lesson by the entire elementary school.  My environmental club made small 
sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human sundial project.  
Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and still all everything 
you gave me to help make the sundial at school.  It will happen.
 
I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the 
weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their students 
instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. 
 
Pat




-Original Message-
From: Frank King 
To: Reinhold Kriegler 
Cc: Sundial Mailingliste 
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


Dear Reinhold,
You write...
  Create a wall of shame with lots
 of funny comments...
Your story is full of drama.  There is
ood news...
  ...Herr Kriegler sei der beste Lehrer an
 der Schule...
Then the bad news...
  ...da hatte dieser Satz die Wirkung eines
 Stichs in ein Wespennest.
Some people suffer a kind of allergic reaction
hen they see an Analemmatic Sundial.  This
eaction sometimes results in serious brain
amage.
There must be an evolutionary explanation?
Perhaps, when seeing a user standing on an
nalemmatic sundial looking up and down at
is own shadow, these people are reminded
f a Cobra about to attack?
This brings on a desire to destroy the
nake and its environment.
You can test your own sensitivity when you
ook at this cartoon:
  http://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=jcon3346
Does this give you a headache?
Tschüß
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Martina Addiscott]

In message 
  "Reinhold Kriegler"  wrote:

>  
> Dear Martina,
>  
> I still remember your previous message!
> 
> 
> The world is crazy!
> 
> 
> In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went
> to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking
> with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest
> owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths
> through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law
> courts!
> 
> My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women
> colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I
> was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me
> “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a
> harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you
> see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!
> 
> http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen
> uhr.html 
> 


Dear Reinhold,

Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with
an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"
plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.

As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority
to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that
both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.


I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and
"Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it
comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'
for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory
explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.


If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott.

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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Kevin Karney]

Martina
Gian is quite right. But one must try… So you need a strategy to overcome the 
stupidity. Why not recommend to your school the superb Mac Oglesby Beam & Spar 
dial (equiangular - so correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is designed 
for boy scouts/girl guides and involves ropes (children will hang themselves) 
and tree climbing (broken legs guaranteed) and - dare I say it - knives (child 
murder inevitable). So that is bound to be refused. Now you suggest a gentle 
analemmatic in its place and the authorities will melt with happiness at its 
simplicity and safety.

Or fight the dead hand of bureaucratic idiocy with its own kind. Do a full risk 
assessment of all potential  dangers and provide the strategy required to 
overcome each risk. (Sun hats against the sun …. non-poisonous paints … pre-cut 
lengths of string … old fashioned supervision of rowdy children … a tool-box 
talk etc etc).

My heart goes out to you and I hope you show copies of this e-mail thread to 
your head teacher and point out that there are very few things in the current 
overcrowd curriculum that can gently and cheaply draw together the diverse 
threads of art, history, astronomy, geography, geometry and maths as sundials 
in the playground. And they get the children out of the unhealthy atmosphere of 
the class room into the great outside.

Good luck  - you have my full support
Kevin Karney

On 15 May 2012, at 19:16, sun.di...@libero.it wrote:

> "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller 
> 
> Ciao.
> Gian
> 
>> Messaggio originale
>> Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com
>> Data: 15/05/2012 19.23
>> A: 
>> Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world,  'banning' analemmatic 
> sundials ?
>> 
>> In message 
>> "Reinhold Kriegler"  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Martina,
>>> 
>>> I still remember your previous message!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The world is crazy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went
>>> to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking
>>> with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest
>>> owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths
>>> through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law
>>> courts!
>>> 
>>> My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women
>>> colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I
>>> was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me
>>> “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a
>>> harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you
>>> see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!
>>> 
>>> http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen
>>> uhr.html 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Reinhold,
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with
>> an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"
>> plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.
>> 
>> As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority
>> to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that
>> both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.
>> 
>> 
>> I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and
>> "Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it
>> comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'
>> for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory
>> explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Martina Addiscott.
>> 
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Mac Oglesby]

Hi Kevin,

Just to set the record straight, the original 
"Beam & Spar" dial was designed and constructed 
by Bill Maddux. He was one of my early mentors 
and later we collaborated (along with Fer de 
Vries) on several sundial articles. Bill passed 
away in 2004. In his memory, at the NASS 2007 
conference in McLean, Virginia I led a brief 
workshop where each participant assembled a small 
Beam & Spar sundial designed specifically for 
their home latitude.


Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby





Martina
Gian is quite right. But one must tryŠ So you 
need a strategy to overcome the stupidity. Why 
not recommend to your school the superb Mac 
Oglesby Beam & Spar dial (equiangular - so 
correctable for summer time and EoT!). This is 
designed for boy scouts/girl guides and involves 
ropes (children will hang themselves) and tree 
climbing (broken legs guaranteed) and - dare I 
say it - knives (child murder inevitable). So 
that is bound to be refused. Now you suggest a 
gentle analemmatic in its place and the 
authorities will melt with happiness at its 
simplicity and safety.


Or fight the dead hand of bureaucratic idiocy 
with its own kind. Do a full risk assessment of 
all potential  dangers and provide the strategy 
required to overcome each risk. (Sun hats 
against the sun Š. non-poisonous paints Š 
pre-cut lengths of string Š old fashioned 
supervision of rowdy children Š a tool-box talk 
etc etc).


My heart goes out to you and I hope you show 
copies of this e-mail thread to your head 
teacher and point out that there are very few 
things in the current overcrowd curriculum that 
can gently and cheaply draw together the diverse 
threads of art, history, astronomy, geography, 
geometry and maths as sundials in the 
playground. And they get the children out of the 
unhealthy atmosphere of the class room into the 
great outside.


Good luck  - you have my full support
Kevin Karney

On 15 May 2012, at 19:16, 
<mailto:sun.di...@libero.it>sun.di...@libero.it 
wrote:



"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller

Ciao.
Gian


Messaggio originale

Da: <mailto:martina.addisc...@gmail.com>martina.addisc...@gmail.com

Data: 15/05/2012 19.23

A: <<mailto:sundial@uni-koeln.de>sundial@uni-koeln.de>

Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic


sundials ?



In message 

"Reinhold Kriegler" 
<<mailto:reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de>reinhold.krieg...@gmx.de> 
wrote:





Dear Martina,


I still remember your previous message!



The world is crazy!



In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went

to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking

with the class on a public path through a forestŠ and private forest

owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths

through the forestŠ as they had to fight with several reports at the law

courts!


My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women

colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I

was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me

"There are also other good teachers at our school!" - because of a

harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you

see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!


<http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen>http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen

uhr.html





Dear Reinhold,


Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with

an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"

plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.


As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority

to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that

both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.



I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and

"Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it

comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'

for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory

explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.



If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.



Sincerely,


Martina Addiscott.


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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Roger Bailey]

I abhor the "Nanny State" and its consequences on individual freedom, 
personal responsibility and creative learning opportunities.  Yesterday we 
watched a couple of girls climbing a tree. They were well out on a limb and 
enjoying the experience. Good for them. There is hope for the future.


In Canada there has been a reaction against nanny state playgrounds with 
nothing to challenge kids. Several schools and parents groups have worked to 
develop playgrounds with objective hazards, places where someone might slip, 
fall, and get hurt. A minor bruise, a skinned knuckle even a broken bone etc 
is a minor inconvenience for the satisfaction from enjoying a personal 
challenge.


While in the UK recently we were aghast at the pervasiveness of the nanny 
state. Signs saying "Face forward, Use the handrail, Mind the gap, doors 
closing, doors opening etc". So many warning defeated their purpose. It is 
much better to allow people to observe, assess and decide themselves, taking 
personal responsibility for such hazardous things as taking an escalator, 
elevator, just climbing a the stairs or checking the time on an analemmatic 
sundial.


Often in life I just did it. It was easier to seek approval, authorization 
or forgiveness later.


Regards Roger Bailey

"Life's but a Walking Shadow"

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From: "Martina Addiscott" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:23 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic 
sundials ?



Dear Reinhold,

Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with
an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"
plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.

As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority
to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that
both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.


I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and
"Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it
comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'
for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory
explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.


If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott.

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RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Peter Tandy]

Dear Martina,

 

Perhaps you should construct your analemmatic sundial on a large plastic
roll-up mat. Then you could put it out in the playground at specific
times on sunny days (no great point in having it when the sun is not
shining anyway, or when the kids are in lessons). That way the 'poor'
kids would not get too much sunshine (from using the dial, although
beware, they may still exceed quotas from hanging around idle on street
corners!), but would still get enough to satisfy the British Medical
Association and any associated medical bodies about the formation of
bodily vitamins. As a bonus, there would be no fighting (as a
correspondent here suggested) amongst pupils since it would only be used
under supervision. 

 

Good luck in your quest. 

Peter Tandy

 

-Original Message-
From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
On Behalf Of Martina Addiscott
Sent: 15 May 2012 18:24
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic
sundials ?

 

In message 

  "Reinhold Kriegler"  wrote:

 

>  

> Dear Martina,

>  

> I still remember your previous message!

> 

> 

> The world is crazy!

> 

> 

> In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents
went

> to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking

> with the class on a public path through a forest... and private forest

> owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their
paths

> through the forest... as they had to fight with several reports at the
law

> courts!

> 

> My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women

> colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article.
I

> was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me

> "There are also other good teachers at our school!" - because of a

> harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So
you

> see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!

> 

>
http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen

> uhr.html 

> 

 

 

Dear Reinhold,

 

Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with

an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"

plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.

 

As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority

to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that

both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.

 

 

I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and

"Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it

comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'

for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory

explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.

 

 

If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Martina Addiscott.

 

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RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Jackie Jones]

Hi Martina,
How about contacting the Health and Safety Executive (think that is what
they are called).  I have heard that they get a bit annoyed with being used
as reasons for not doing things.  They sponsored the conker championship
after people were saying it was too dangerous for children.  Ask their
opinion of the dial to see if they say it is a problem. 
Good luck in your campaign, I will certainly join in.
Jackie

Jackie Jones
50° 50’ 09” N.0° 07’ 40” W.



-Original Message-
From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On
Behalf Of Martina Addiscott
Sent: 15 May 2012 15:20
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that our local
Educational Authority would not permit us to install an interactive
'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since their opinion was
that it was simply too dangerous, for children !

It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar "Health
and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous, and suggest that
the general Sundial community should 'protest' to the people concerned, as
otherwise we are in danger of losing the opportunity to have these
interesting outdoor educational projects.


I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in Britain -
but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have also decided, that
these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !

See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted


If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials being
discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by E-mail, or you
could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.

Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I would also
appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott.


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RE: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Yan Seiner]

Martina:

Do you have any documentation (letters, newspaper articles, policies, etc)
that show these decisions? I can't find a reference on the web.

Thanks!

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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[darkroom3]

That is even more ridiculous.  Almost daily some child in my school is falling 
down and skinning a knee, arguing with others or getting in a small pushing 
match.  We have over 460 kids, its going to happen.  And if 20 years from now, 
getting skin cancer, prove it that it came from standing on a sundial when you 
were 7 years old and it was not from playing at the beach or playing on 
weekends in their own backyard. There is no more a liability with a human 
sundial then there is playing hopscotch, probably less, you could trip playing 
hopscotch.  

I would like to know the real, truthful reason these sundials are being banned, 
and it better be a good one.

Pat

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: David Bell 
To: darkroom3 
Cc: Reinhold.Kriegler ; sundial 

Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even concern 
over their welfare. It all comes down to liability. 


Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later develop 
a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the school 
responsible!


Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 9:15 AM, darkro...@aol.com wrote:





Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic sundial at 
school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over their students?  
It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people learn better by 
hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic sundial on my school 
bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next fall.  Our principle and 
teachers are excited to have it because it will be used for several different 
lesson by the entire elementary school.  My environemental club made small 
sundials and learned the basics, next year will be the human sundial project.  
Roger Bailey and Mac Oglesby, I have not forgotten you and still all everything 
you gave me to help make the sundial at school.  It will happen.
 
I would think the ones banning the sundials should be more worried about the 
weapons, drugs, bullying, stealing, and anti-social behavior of their students 
instead being out in the sun too long or fighting over the sundial. 
 
Pat



-Original Message-
From: Reinhold Kriegler 
To: Sundial Mailingliste 
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:21 am
Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?



 
Dear Martina,
 
I still remember your previous message!


The world is crazy!


In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went to a 
lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking with the class 
on a public path through a forest… and private forest owners are thinking of no 
longer allowing people to walk on their paths through the forest… as they had 
to fight with several reports at the law courts!

My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women colleagues and 
they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I was even called by the 
headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me “There are also other good 
teachers at our school!” – because of a harmless sentence of a 10 years old 
girl about me! Nothing else! So you see where the real danger is! It is the 
jealousy, nothing else!

http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnenuhr.html
 

   
 
I created a nice story about this analemmatic sundial within my homepage 
www.ta-dip.de  and I am always grinning when I see that the link was visited 
again…

Do not fight against these stupid people who seriously think that analematic 
sundials would be dangerous! Create a wall of shame with lots of funny comments 
and write the names of those who want to ban the sundial on it! 
 
A big laughter is the best medicine against such people! And if such a wall of 
shame is multiplied by social networks there would be a beautiful big laughter 
around the world!
 
Good luck to you! And build your analemmatic sundial!!!
Let many analemmatic sundials grow on school grounds or before them…!
 
 
Reinhold Kriegler


* ** ***  * ** ***
 
Reinhold R. Kriegler
 
Lat. 53° 6' 52,6" Nord; Long. 8° 53' 52,3 Ost; 48 m ü. N.N.  GMT +1 (DST +2)   
www.ta-dip.de
 
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCoJHwzzjU&fmt=18
 
http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das/r-e-i-n-h-o-l-d.html
http://www.ta-dip.de/dies-und-das.html
 
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im 
Auftrag von Martina Addiscott
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2012 16:20
An: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Betreff: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?
 
 
Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
interactive 'analemmatic' s

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[John Pickard]

Good morning Martina,

I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with the 
sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.

We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will top the 
list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the world (Rio 
Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned the use of 
scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric stapler where you 
could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as for scissors ...! 

But I fail to see how a painted or other analemmatic dial poses any sort of 
risk, even in the Australian sun. All primary schools here require kids to wear 
hats when in the playground, and I support this. After all, Australia is the 
skin cancer capital of the world, and hats make a big difference (I know from 
having numerous non-malignant growths removed from my face, ears and neck after 
decades of field work in deserts etc.) But analemmatic dials ...?

I despair of the direction all this is headed. 

Cheers, John



 Martina Addiscott  wrote: 
> 
> Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
> our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
> interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
> their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !
> 
> It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
> "Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
> and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
> the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
> opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.
> 
> 
> I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
> Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
> also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !
> 
> See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted
> 
> 
> If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
> being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
> E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.
> 
> Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
> would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martina Addiscott.
> 
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Donald Christensen]

…….I would like to know the real, truthful reason these sundials are being
banned, and it better be a good one.



Don’t ponder on this with logic too long or you will get a headache. I hope
nobody under 18 reads the email. I’d hate for this forum to get sued for
being too dangerous.



The legal tsunami and the helicopter parenting have combined and they
resemble a runaway freight train. Even some of the pawns and bureaucrats
that enforce the ridiculous, know that it’s ridiculous but feel powerless
to stop it.



I really like the writing of Lenore Skenazy. She became famous when she let
her 9 year old son ride the train by himself. He has made journey hundreds
of times with an adult. He knew it so well that he could almost do it in
his sleep.


http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/



The media got hold of this and she was invited to appear on radio and
television. She was then ambushed by child experts to help her reform. She
also appeared on ‘The View’ where the 4 ladies all blasted her for
reckulous child endangerment!



She then wrote a book called Free Range Kids. It’s a quite a wake-up call!



Below is an article that I wrote for her website



Children grow up to be adults. The transition stage for child to adult can
be very stressful.  We all know that confidence and self esteem are very
import. Some people have a low self esteem while others esteem is high.
However, where does it come from? Is it something that you may be borne
with like a cleft chin?



Confidence and self esteem is a life-long development that starts on the
very first day. When mom walks out into the other room and walks back, the
baby starts understanding that he or she can live without mom for 10
seconds.  When they open the refrigerator a pour a glass of milk by
themselves, it adds to the confidence tally.



It’s inevitable that parents have to make decisions about the child’s
safety and how far will you allow them to wander. Whether or not they allow
them to walk to school or use a public toilet is an open debate. Is it too
dangerous to let them do this?  There is a danger factor of allowing them
freedom but there is also dangerous not to.



Hindering the development of confidence also stunts their growth in self
esteem. Parents get so caught in protecting their children so much that
they forget that it is also their duty to prepare them for life.



Anxiety and depression is happening in epidemic proportions. It is also
strongly connected to self esteem.



Before you tell off a mother for being neglectful for allowing her son to
ride the train, stop and think. Are you being neglectful for not allowing
your son to ride the train?


The transition from child to adult is very stressful. However, we make it
MUCH more stressful if we prevent children from experiencing life for as
long as we can. We make the learning curve much more severe. Life is
stressful enough. Why do we want to make it more stressful?


Donald




On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:04 AM,  wrote:

> That is even more ridiculous.  Almost daily some child in my school is
> falling down and skinning a knee, arguing with others or getting in a small
> pushing match.  We have over 460 kids, its going to happen.  And if 20
> years from now, getting skin cancer, prove it that it came from standing on
> a sundial when you were 7 years old and it was not from playing at the
> beach or playing on weekends in their own backyard. There is no more a
> liability with a human sundial then there is playing hopscotch, probably
> less, you could trip playing hopscotch.
>
> I would like to know the real, truthful reason these sundials are being
> banned, and it better be a good one.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: David Bell 
> To: darkroom3 
> Cc: Reinhold.Kriegler ; sundial <
> sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
> Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 2:12 pm
> Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic
> sundials ?
>
>  It has little or nothing to do with controlling the students, or even
> concern over their welfare. It all comes down to liability.
>
>  Should some child be injured in a schoolyard scuffle, or 20 years later
> develop a skin cancer, some shyster lawyer WILL find a way to hold the
> school responsible!
>
>  Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 9:15 AM, darkro...@aol.com wrote:
>
>Those  are utter rediculous reasons for not having an analemmatic
> sundial at school.  Do these schools have no control or supervision over
> their students?  It is great to get students outside to learn.  Many people
> learn better by hands-on-learning.  I had planned to make an analemmatic
> sundial on my school bus lot this year but it will have to wait until next
> fall.  Our principle and teachers are excited to have it because it will be
> used for several different lesson by

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Roger Bailey]

Children, protected from all hazards in the nanny cocoon will ultimately rebel, 
seeking freedom, take risks and causing trouble. We are all familiar with acts 
of vandalism against sundials in public places. This link shows this is a 
worldwide phenomenon. The pictures show a couple of examples in Mallorca. See 
http://www.bernisol.com/relojesdesoldemallorca/acosvandalicos.htm .  The first 
is rogue bikers trashing Rafael Soler's analemmatic sundial in Palma. The 
second shows the equatorial disc on another of his sundials bent and twisted. 
It had been twisted right off when I checked the site last month. Let kids 
explore and take risks. Perhaps then they will be less interested in 
destructive risks later.

Regards, Roger Bailey

--
From: "Martina Addiscott" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:19 AM
To: 
Subject: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

> 
> Roughly one year ago, I had mentioned on this 'Mailing List' that
> our local Educational Authority would not permit us to install an
> interactive 'analemmatic' sundial on our school playground - since
> their opinion was that it was simply too dangerous, for children !
> 
> It now seems that other countries are 'banning' these, for similar
> "Health and Safety" reasons - which I think is totally ridiculous,
> and suggest that the general Sundial community should 'protest' to
> the people concerned, as otherwise we are in danger of losing the
> opportunity to have these interesting outdoor educational projects.
> 
> 
> I know that they are generally 'frowned-upon', by schools here in
> Britain - but it appears that Canadian and Australian schools have
> also decided, that these 'Human Sundials' cause too much trouble !
> 
> See the page at:  www.sunclocks.com/pics/fs-007.htm#reconstituted
> 
> 
> If anyone might like to join me in a 'campaign', to stop sundials
> being discouraged by schools - then please get in touch with me by
> E-mail, or you could also contact me on my mobile: +44 7769561152.
> 
> Should anyone have comments on this deplorable situation - then I
> would also appreciate your thoughts, direct to the 'Mailing List'.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martina Addiscott.
> 
> 
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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Donald Christensen]

I found an excellent book on the matter

It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society
protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the
stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can
prevent them from growing up.

“Beautifully written [...] lays out very simply how we are absolutely
screwing the development of children, given our complete paranoid fear of
the world we live in.”*
Tanya 
Byronin
the Browser.
*

*No Fear: Growing up in a risk averse society* argues that childhood is
being undermined by the growth of risk aversion. This restricts children’s
play, limits their freedom of movement, corrodes their relationships with
adults and constrains their exploration of physical, social and virtual
worlds.

http://rethinkingchildhood.com/no-fear/




On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Martina Addiscott <
martina.addisc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In message <20120517002755.K4ADT.56582.root@nschwwebs03p>
>   John Pickard  wrote:
>
> > Good morning Martina,
> >
> > I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with
> the sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.
> >
> > We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will
> top the list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the
> world (Rio Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned
> the use of scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric
> stapler where you could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as
> for scissors ...!
> >
> > But I fail to see how a painted or other analemmatic dial poses any sort
> of risk, even in the Australian sun. All primary schools here require kids
> to wear hats when in the playground, and I support this. After all,
> Australia is the skin cancer capital of the world, and hats make a big
> difference (I know from having numerous non-malignant growths removed from
> my face, ears and neck after decades of field work in deserts etc.) But
> analemmatic dials ...?
> >
> > I despair of the direction all this is headed.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> >
>
>
>
> Following-on from previous correspondence, I was recently sent
> the attached newspaper article.  George Marshall (in Australia)
> was 'too shy' to send it direct to the "Sundial Mailing List",
> and so this had been sent to me privately for my consideration.
>
> However, if anybody wants to respond to George (who is located
> in the Brisbane area) - his E-mail is:  geo...@exemail.com.au
>
>
> At least there is now a 'ray of hope' that the world might just
> be reverting to a more reasonable attitude - rather than being
> ruled by the "Health & Safety" brigade, or Lawyers/Accountants.
>
>
> As other people have said, the main problem seems to be one of
> possible 'litigation', and/or 'compensation' - if a child were
> to be injured by anything (no matter how harmless it appears).
>
> I am certainly no legal expert - but apparently this is caused
> by a mix of "Due Diligence", plus "Contributory Negligence".
>
>
> Certainly here in the UK, we must conduct a 'Risk Assessment'
> of anything new for a school - and especially if the children
> might be physically interacting with this, in whatever ways.
>
> Unfortunately, the current thinking seems to be that (if any
> child were to be hurt), then SOMEBODY must be "to blame" - but
> it cannot be the child, since obviously somebody else has not
> fully conducted that preliminary 'Risk Assessment' properly !
>
> In other words - somebody, somewhere, will be held as (partly)
> guilty of whatever happened, due to 'Contributory Negligence',
> but it will be for the Lawyers to fight over and profit from.
>
>
> Apart from schools, I even heard about a sundial designer (in
> Croatia), who was not permitted to put a metal 'analemmatic'
> layout into a public area - because the metal might get too
> hot in the sun, burn people's feet, so give rise to claims for
> compensation plus also potentially harming the tourist trade !
>
> As a person on this 'List' said - "the world has gone crazy".
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Martina Addiscott.
>
>
>
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>
>
>


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Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[darkroom3]

Part of the problem seems to be that society is getting to a point where what 
ever happens there must be someone to blame.  People just can't accept that 
stuff happens, get over it.  It is true that if a child is over protected then 
they cannot learn how to effectively handle situations they face as they grow 
up.  And with society looking for someone to blame for EVERYTHING that happens 
to them is proof that they have not learned the same thing.  A child falls and 
skins a knee, the parents call the school and chew out the teacher for not 
watching their child.  The sad thing is those of authority are too afraid of 
bad press of law suits that they may discipline the teacher.  

I don't know of any cases in the US where sundials are banned from schools but 
I have not looked either.  It never crossed my mind that it would be a problem.

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Donald Christensen 
To: sundial 
Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


I found an excellent book on the matter

It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society 
protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the 
stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can 
prevent them from growing up.

“Beautifully written [...] lays out very simply how we are absolutely screwing 
the development of children, given our complete paranoid fear of the world we 
live in.”
Tanya Byron in the Browser.
No Fear: Growing up in a risk averse society argues that childhood is being 
undermined by the growth of risk aversion. This restricts children’s play, 
limits their freedom of movement, corrodes their relationships with adults and 
constrains their exploration of physical, social and virtual worlds.
http://rethinkingchildhood.com/no-fear/





On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Martina Addiscott 
 wrote:

In message <20120517002755.K4ADT.56582.root@nschwwebs03p>

  John Pickard  wrote:

> Good morning Martina,
>
> I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with the 
> sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.
>
> We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will top 
> the list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the world 
> (Rio Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned the use 
> of scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric stapler 
> where you could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as for 
> scissors ...!
>
> But I fail to see how a painted or other analemmatic dial poses any sort of 
> risk, even in the Australian sun. All primary schools here require kids to 
> wear hats when in the playground, and I support this. After all, Australia is 
> the skin cancer capital of the world, and hats make a big difference (I know 
> from having numerous non-malignant growths removed from my face, ears and 
> neck after decades of field work in deserts etc.) But analemmatic dials ...?
>
> I despair of the direction all this is headed.
>
> Cheers, John
>




Following-on from previous correspondence, I was recently sent
the attached newspaper article.  George Marshall (in Australia)
was 'too shy' to send it direct to the "Sundial Mailing List",
and so this had been sent to me privately for my consideration.

However, if anybody wants to respond to George (who is located
in the Brisbane area) - his E-mail is:  geo...@exemail.com.au


At least there is now a 'ray of hope' that the world might just
be reverting to a more reasonable attitude - rather than being
ruled by the "Health & Safety" brigade, or Lawyers/Accountants.


As other people have said, the main problem seems to be one of
possible 'litigation', and/or 'compensation' - if a child were
to be injured by anything (no matter how harmless it appears).

I am certainly no legal expert - but apparently this is caused
by a mix of "Due Diligence", plus "Contributory Negligence".


Certainly here in the UK, we must conduct a 'Risk Assessment'
of anything new for a school - and especially if the children
might be physically interacting with this, in whatever ways.

Unfortunately, the current thinking seems to be that (if any
child were to be hurt), then SOMEBODY must be "to blame" - but
it cannot be the child, since obviously somebody else has not
fully conducted that preliminary 'Risk Assessment' properly !

In other words - somebody, somewhere, will be held as (partly)
guilty of whatever happened, due to 'Contributory Negligence',
but it will be for the Lawyers to fight over and profit from.


Apart from schools, I even heard about a sundial designer (in
Croatia), who was not

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Donald Christensen]

I was sickened how society prevents children from growing up or learning
how to cope with life. That is until I read about Lenore Skenazy
http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/ and Tim Gill
http://rethinkingchildhood.com/

It looks like this will turn around. It may take a generation or 2 to do
so. However, society is starting to figure out that the current idea is
harmful to children.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM,  wrote:

> Part of the problem seems to be that society is getting to a point where
> what ever happens there must be someone to blame.  People just can't accept
> that stuff happens, get over it.  It is true that if a child is over
> protected then they cannot learn how to effectively handle situations they
> face as they grow up.  And with society looking for someone to blame for
> EVERYTHING that happens to them is proof that they have not learned the
> same thing.  A child falls and skins a knee, the parents call the school
> and chew out the teacher for not watching their child.  The sad thing is
> those of authority are too afraid of bad press of law suits that they may
> discipline the teacher.
>
> I don't know of any cases in the US where sundials are banned from schools
> but I have not looked either.  It never crossed my mind that it would be a
> problem.
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Donald Christensen 
> To: sundial 
> Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm
> Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic
> sundials ?
>
>  I found an excellent book on the matter
>
> It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society
> protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the
> stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can
> prevent them from growing up.
> “Beautifully written [...] lays out very simply how we are absolutely
> screwing the development of children, given our complete paranoid fear of
> the world we live in.”*
> Tanya 
> Byron<http://thebrowser.com/interviews/tanya-byron-on-child-psychology-and-mental-health>in
>  the Browser.
> *
> *No Fear: Growing up in a risk averse society* argues that childhood is
> being undermined by the growth of risk aversion. This restricts children’s
> play, limits their freedom of movement, corrodes their relationships with
> adults and constrains their exploration of physical, social and virtual
> worlds.
> http://rethinkingchildhood.com/no-fear/
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Martina Addiscott <
> martina.addisc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In message <20120517002755.K4ADT.56582.root@nschwwebs03p>
>>   John Pickard  wrote:
>>
>> > Good morning Martina,
>> >
>> > I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly
>> with the sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.
>> >
>> > We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will
>> top the list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the
>> world (Rio Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned
>> the use of scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric
>> stapler where you could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as
>> for scissors ...!
>> >
>> > But I fail to see how a painted or other analemmatic dial poses any
>> sort of risk, even in the Australian sun. All primary schools here require
>> kids to wear hats when in the playground, and I support this. After all,
>> Australia is the skin cancer capital of the world, and hats make a big
>> difference (I know from having numerous non-malignant growths removed from
>> my face, ears and neck after decades of field work in deserts etc.) But
>> analemmatic dials ...?
>> >
>> > I despair of the direction all this is headed.
>> >
>> > Cheers, John
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>  Following-on from previous correspondence, I was recently sent
>> the attached newspaper article.  George Marshall (in Australia)
>> was 'too shy' to send it direct to the "Sundial Mailing List",
>> and so this had been sent to me privately for my consideration.
>>
>> However, if anybody wants to respond to George (who is located
>> in the Brisbane area) - his E-mail is:  geo...@exemail.com.au
>>
>>
>> At least there is now a 'ray of hope' that the world might just
>> be reverting to a more reasonable attitude - rather than being
>> ruled by the "Health & Safety" brigade, or Lawyers/Accountants.
>>
>>
>> As othe

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[Roger Bailey]

I was a free range kid, as were my kids. We created our own activities, took 
risks, and ended up learning from these experiences to accept personal 
responsibility and be creative. I ended up being a chemical engineer involved 
in research most of my life. As a kid, my personal chemistry set contained the 
forbidden stuff, strong oxidants, strong acids and bases, and poisonous 
chemicals. Explosives, rocket fuels, stink bombs etc where much more 
interesting the changing the colours of litmus paper. Our parents were 
generally unaware of our activities with minor exceptions. My father shut down 
our rocket society after a static test from a bedroom window. My mother 
objected to the escape of nine captured snakes into the house and 
neighbourhood. These were reasonable restrictions considering the situation. No 
rockets or snakes in the house? OK. Playgrounds with dangerous equipment like 
swings, slides, teeter totters, skipping ropes, analemmatic sundials are such 
trivial risks in comparison.

Kids need to grow and develop. Give them space. Let them challenge themselves.

Regards, Roger Bailey


From: Donald Christensen 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:29 PM
To: darkro...@aol.com 
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


I was sickened how society prevents children from growing up or learning how to 
cope with life. That is until I read about Lenore Skenazy 
http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/ and Tim Gill http://rethinkingchildhood.com/

It looks like this will turn around. It may take a generation or 2 to do so. 
However, society is starting to figure out that the current idea is harmful to 
children.


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM,  wrote:

  Part of the problem seems to be that society is getting to a point where what 
ever happens there must be someone to blame.  People just can't accept that 
stuff happens, get over it.  It is true that if a child is over protected then 
they cannot learn how to effectively handle situations they face as they grow 
up.  And with society looking for someone to blame for EVERYTHING that happens 
to them is proof that they have not learned the same thing.  A child falls and 
skins a knee, the parents call the school and chew out the teacher for not 
watching their child.  The sad thing is those of authority are too afraid of 
bad press of law suits that they may discipline the teacher.  

  I don't know of any cases in the US where sundials are banned from schools 
but I have not looked either.  It never crossed my mind that it would be a 
problem.







  -Original Message-
  From: Donald Christensen 
  To: sundial 
  Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm
  Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic 
sundials ?


  I found an excellent book on the matter

  It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society 
protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the 
stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can 
prevent them from growing up.

  “Beautifully written [...] lays out very simply how we are absolutely 
screwing the development of children, given our complete paranoid fear of the 
world we live in.”
  Tanya Byron in the Browser.
  No Fear: Growing up in a risk averse society argues that childhood is being 
undermined by the growth of risk aversion. This restricts children’s play, 
limits their freedom of movement, corrodes their relationships with adults and 
constrains their exploration of physical, social and virtual worlds.
  http://rethinkingchildhood.com/no-fear/





  On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Martina Addiscott 
 wrote:

In message <20120517002755.K4ADT.56582.root@nschwwebs03p>

 John Pickard  wrote:

> Good morning Martina,
>
> I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with 
the sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.
>
> We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will 
top the list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the 
world (Rio Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned the 
use of scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric stapler 
where you could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as for scissors 
...!
>
> But I fail to see how a painted or other analemmatic dial poses any sort 
of risk, even in the Australian sun. All primary schools here require kids to 
wear hats when in the playground, and I support this. After all, Australia is 
the skin cancer capital of the world, and hats make a big difference (I know 
from having numerous non-malignant growths removed from my face, ears and neck 
after decades of field work in deserts etc.) But analemmatic dials ...?
>
> I despair of the direction all

Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[R Wall ML emails]

And in Australia we can’t even purchase fire works that go off with a bang. And 
blow the letter box metal lid onto the roof. And who didn’t make a fire cracker 
gun out of a metal bicycle pump and marbles. But it was hard to get the wick to 
come out of the hole in the end of the pump.

Regards,

Roderick Wall.

From: Roger Bailey
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:56 PM
To: Donald Christensen ; darkro...@aol.com
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

I was a free range kid, as were my kids. We created our own activities, took 
risks, and ended up learning from these experiences to accept personal 
responsibility and be creative. I ended up being a chemical engineer involved 
in research most of my life. As a kid, my personal chemistry set contained the 
forbidden stuff, strong oxidants, strong acids and bases, and poisonous 
chemicals. Explosives, rocket fuels, stink bombs etc where much more 
interesting the changing the colours of litmus paper. Our parents were 
generally unaware of our activities with minor exceptions. My father shut down 
our rocket society after a static test from a bedroom window. My mother 
objected to the escape of nine captured snakes into the house and 
neighbourhood. These were reasonable restrictions considering the situation. No 
rockets or snakes in the house? OK. Playgrounds with dangerous equipment like 
swings, slides, teeter totters, skipping ropes, analemmatic sundials are such 
trivial risks in comparison.

Kids need to grow and develop. Give them space. Let them challenge themselves.

Regards, Roger Bailey

From: Donald Christensen
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:29 PM
To: darkro...@aol.com
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world,'banning' analemmatic sundials ?


I was sickened how society prevents children from growing up or learning how to 
cope with life. That is until I read about Lenore Skenazy 
http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/ and Tim Gill http://rethinkingchildhood.com/

It looks like this will turn around. It may take a generation or 2 to do so. 
However, society is starting to figure out that the current idea is harmful to 
children.


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM,  wrote:

  Part of the problem seems to be that society is getting to a point where what 
ever happens there must be someone to blame.  People just can't accept that 
stuff happens, get over it.  It is true that if a child is over protected then 
they cannot learn how to effectively handle situations they face as they grow 
up.  And with society looking for someone to blame for EVERYTHING that happens 
to them is proof that they have not learned the same thing.  A child falls and 
skins a knee, the parents call the school and chew out the teacher for not 
watching their child.  The sad thing is those of authority are too afraid of 
bad press of law suits that they may discipline the teacher.

  I don't know of any cases in the US where sundials are banned from schools 
but I have not looked either.  It never crossed my mind that it would be a 
problem.




  -Original Message-
  From: Donald Christensen 
  To: sundial 
  Sent: Sun, May 27, 2012 8:29 pm
  Subject: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic 
sundials ?


  I found an excellent book on the matter

  It shows how we are making the world more dangerous for children. Society 
protects them so much that we prevent them from learning how to cope in the 
stressful world. Children grow old. We can't prevent that. However we can 
prevent them from growing up.

  “Beautifully written [...] lays out very simply how we are absolutely 
screwing the development of children, given our complete paranoid fear of the 
world we live in.”
  Tanya Byron in the Browser.
  No Fear: Growing up in a risk averse society argues that childhood is being 
undermined by the growth of risk aversion. This restricts children’s play, 
limits their freedom of movement, corrodes their relationships with adults and 
constrains their exploration of physical, social and virtual worlds.
  http://rethinkingchildhood.com/no-fear/




  On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Martina Addiscott 
 wrote:

In message <20120517002755.K4ADT.56582.root@nschwwebs03p>

 John Pickard  wrote:

> Good morning Martina,
>
> I've been following the various replies, and I agree wholeheartedly with 
the sentiments expressed about stupid attempts to reduce risk to zero.

>
> We all have our favourite stories, but I think that these examples will 
top the list. I understand that one of the largest mining companies in the 
world (Rio Tinto Australia) is so concerned about risk that it has banned the 
use of scissors and electric staplers. I have never seen an electric stapler 
where you could hurt yourself unless you really wanted to. And as for scissors 
...!
>

R: Re: Why are schools, across the world, 'banning' analemmatic sundials ?

[sun.di...@libero.it]

"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ~ Friedrich Schiller 

Ciao.
Gian

>Messaggio originale
>Da: martina.addisc...@gmail.com
>Data: 15/05/2012 19.23
>A: 
>Ogg: Re: Why are schools, across the world,    'banning' analemmatic 
sundials ?
>
>In message 
>  "Reinhold Kriegler"  wrote:
>
>>  
>> Dear Martina,
>>  
>> I still remember your previous message!
>> 
>> 
>> The world is crazy!
>> 
>> 
>> In Germany I have heard in a radio transmission last year, parents went
>> to a lawyer after there children fell over a tree root while walking
>> with the class on a public path through a forest… and private forest
>> owners are thinking of no longer allowing people to walk on their paths
>> through the forest… as they had to fight with several reports at the law
>> courts!
>> 
>> My beautiful analemmatic sundial was destroyed by jealouse women
>> colleagues and they worried a lot about a friendly newspaper article. I
>> was even called by the headmistress and she was not ashamed to tell me
>> “There are also other good teachers at our school!” – because of a
>> harmless sentence of a 10 years old girl about me! Nothing else! So you
>> see where the real danger is! It is the jealousy, nothing else!
>> 
>> http://www.ta-dip.de/sonnenuhren/meine-sonnenuhren/analemmatische-sonnen
>> uhr.html 
>> 
>
>
>Dear Reinhold,
>
>Thanks for your reply, saying you also had some difficulty with
>an 'analemmatic' sundial at a school - and caused by "jealousy"
>plus people being frightened of some legal action, against them.
>
>As you suggest, I would love to 'defy' our Educational Authority
>to install this feature - but if I did so, then I am afraid that
>both myself and my Head Teacher will be dismissed from our jobs.
>
>
>I really cannot understand why (say) any "Hop-scotch" grids and
>"Snakes & Ladders" layouts are OK for playgrounds - but when it
>comes to interactive Human Sundials, they are deemed 'dangerous'
>for children.  Nobody seems to be able to give me a satisfactory
>explanation for it - except to say, "Health and Safety" reasons.
>
>
>If anyone else has some ideas on this, then please let me know.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Martina Addiscott.
>
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>


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