Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[obones]

obones wrote:


Is there a way to reactivate it?


Well, thanks to all for your pointers.
I finally got it to work doing the following:

Go to Password manager, remove the saved password for any SMTP server
Edit the SMTP parameters and uncheck "Use name and password"

This now works just fine.
Note: our SMTP server is purely internal and thus does not require any 
login credentials.

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Re: Migrating SM 1.x to SM 2.0 -- Personal toolbar

[John Doue]

jim wrote:

Windows XP sp2
Seamonkey 2.0

With  much travail (not really, just time) it is done -- the personal
toolbar, (folders and icons, probably over a hundred bookmarks) from SM
1.x is now display properly in SM 2.0.

I doubt that the format of bookmarks.html changed for 1.x to 2.0, but if
it did it is backward compatible.

I have no idea if the un-installation (complete) of SM 1.x trashed its
bookmarks.html because mine were pointed to a second level subdirectory
instead of six or so levels down.  Mine Use a prefs.js entry:

browser.bookmarks.file;C:\program files\sharedbookmarks\bookmarks_sm.html

(That's a user set string for about:config.)  


For years I had shared them with Firefox and simply had to be aware of who
was rewriting the file last to keep them synched.  I haven't for a while. 


I note that the header from prefs.js has finally been changed from
"" to "# Mozilla User Preferences"

FACE


I am not sure if there is a question in your post but, you mention you 
share bookmarks between SM 1.xx and Firefox. Obviously, this was not FF 
version 3 since, then, the format of bookmarks changed completely and 
this is no longer possible the way you did it.


Interesting your used this prefs.js entry about bookmarks. I had a 
different strategy, sharing SM 1.xx's and FF 2.xx"s : I launched FF and 
SM (not at the same time, of course) via a batch file that checked the 
date and time of the bookmarks file and copied it over in case the 
bookmarks of the launched application were older. A little more 
complicated than your approach.


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Clicking links in mail/RSS reuses existing tab

[Rex]

I'm subscribed to a feed in the SM 2.0 RSS reader. The link to the 
original article appears in the header display area of the preview pane. 
When I click it,  I expect it to launch the link in a new browser tab. 
Instead it simply loads in whichever browser tab had focus at the time.
I've already set my tab browsing preferences to open links in new tabs 
(from other applications as well as for new windows).





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Re: Send Link and Word Wrap in SM2

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:43:14 -0800, /NoOp/:


Now I
wonder how the Percent-Encoding can be resolved in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896


I guess we need a separate bug as it seems the problem is observed 
when copying the whole URL in SeaMonkey, too.


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Re: Lost address book

[Mort]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Brian Fairey wrote:

When upgrading from SM 1.X to 2.0 I have lost(missplaced)
my address book. Where do I find it and how do I reconnect it to SM?


Fire up 1.1.xx and go to the addressbook, select a book, and use the
'export' tool under tool pulldown to put the book(s) of your choice into
a text file (LDIF or csv). Then exit 1.1.xx and start 2.0, open the
address book and use the import tool to get the addresses.

I do wish there was an import selected addresses tool, but the exported
file is readable by a text editor so you can do what editing you wish,
although not in a wonderful user-friendly way for most people. ;-)

Do everything is easy, have fun.


Hi,

I read your post reply, and tried to do what you suggested. I did not 
find an export tool in SeaMonkey 2.0, nor in the text version of my old 
address book, which I am trying to get incorporated into my address book 
from SM 2.Please let me know how I can find the export tool.


Thanks.

Mort Linder
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Re: ANOTHER QUESTION - can folders be transferred to a new account?

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:
So...now that I have my new ISP account mail set up and will soon dump 
my old ISP account, is there some way I can transfer all the folders 
from the old account over under the new account ?


I have a Butt Load of E-Mails in those folders that I need to access for 
the new ISP's account.


DoctorBill


And where is "word Wrap" set up when you start a new account?

The new account's E-Mail runs off the right side edge of my 19" LCD flat 
screen when I read it.  Strange.  I have to re-invent the wheel.


I would have thought that whatever had been set up in the old account 
would now be defaulted over to the new one.


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ANOTHER QUESTION - can folders be transferred to a new account?

[DoctorBill]

So...now that I have my new ISP account mail set up and will soon dump 
my old ISP account, is there some way I can transfer all the folders 
from the old account over under the new account ?


I have a Butt Load of E-Mails in those folders that I need to access for 
the new ISP's account.


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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[DoctorBill]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

/snip/

I am about to drop my old "Dial-Up" ISP and this new one I am trying to
insert is a Wireless Server at 256kbps (12 to 14x faster than my
dialup). I'm moving into the modern era out here in the farm country!
Our local Indian Reservation runs it !

Coeur d’ Alene Tribe
http://www.cdatribe-nsn.gov/

BTW - I am using
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre)
Gecko/20070111 SeaMonkey/1.1

BTW - I am not of Indian descentjust a plain old German goose 
stepper.


DoctorBill

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Bill,

If you have downloaded any mail there will be notihing in Local FOlders.

The Global Inbox stores all mail in Local Folders, without regard to the 
account, ala Outlook Express. Without sitting down at your machine, I 
can't be sure, but what you describe sounds exactly like an account set 
to use Global Inbox. There would be an entry in Account asttings, but 
nothing in the Folderpane. Lets at least rule that out:


Edit>>Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings>>(account in question)

Click Server Sttings for your new account, then click the Advanced 
button. (Hoping 1.1.x had the same dialog as 2.0, I think it did.)


There should be a series of radio buttons. If the one for Global Inbox 
is selected, change it to Inbox for this server's account.


Lee


YES, YES, YES !

THAT did itall is well now.

Such complication.

Thank you so much!

I couldn't figure out what I had done wrong!

Nowwill I remember this twenty five years from now when I am setting 
up my account for either Heaven or Hell...depending on where I am bound for!


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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[Hartmut Figge]

Leonidas Jones:

>I can't be sure, but what you describe sounds exactly like an account
>set to use Global Inbox.

Yes.

>Edit>>Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings>>(account in question)
>
>Click Server Sttings for your new account, then click the Advanced 
>button. (Hoping 1.1.x had the same dialog as 2.0, I think it did.)

A screenshot of a 1.1.18 SM:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ac091125.png (29 KB)

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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[Leonidas Jones]

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

/snip/

I am about to drop my old "Dial-Up" ISP and this new one I am trying to
insert is a Wireless Server at 256kbps (12 to 14x faster than my
dialup). I'm moving into the modern era out here in the farm country!
Our local Indian Reservation runs it !

Coeur d’ Alene Tribe
http://www.cdatribe-nsn.gov/

BTW - I am using
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre)
Gecko/20070111 SeaMonkey/1.1

BTW - I am not of Indian descentjust a plain old German goose stepper.

DoctorBill

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Only the dumbest of sheep vote for their butcher


Bill,

If you have downloaded any mail there will be notihing in Local FOlders.

The Global Inbox stores all mail in Local Folders, without regard to the 
account, ala Outlook Express. Without sitting down at your machine, I 
can't be sure, but what you describe sounds exactly like an account set 
to use Global Inbox. There would be an entry in Account asttings, but 
nothing in the Folderpane. Lets at least rule that out:


Edit>>Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings>>(account in question)

Click Server Sttings for your new account, then click the Advanced 
button. (Hoping 1.1.x had the same dialog as 2.0, I think it did.)


There should be a series of radio buttons. If the one for Global Inbox 
is selected, change it to Inbox for this server's account.


Lee
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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:
I have set up a New E-Mail account with a new server but it does not 
appear in the left window with my other (old) E-Mail and Newsgroups.


What am I doing wrong?

DoctorBill


I need help !

No - the new account is not in the Local Folders...but get this !

...if I click on MAIL AND NEWSGROUP SETTINGS under EDIT, there it is !

It just refuses to show up in the left window under "NAME"

I am about to drop my old "Dial-Up" ISP and this new one I am trying to 
insert is a Wireless Server at 256kbps (12 to 14x faster than my 
dialup).  I'm moving into the modern era out here in the farm country!

Our local Indian Reservation runs it !

Coeur d’ Alene Tribe
http://www.cdatribe-nsn.gov/

BTW - I am using
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) 
Gecko/20070111 SeaMonkey/1.1


BTW - I am not of Indian descentjust a plain old German goose stepper.

DoctorBill

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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Martin Freitag]

Nairda schrieb:

If I just installed the SM2 browser component, could I continue using
the rest of my SM1.18 apps, Without losing access to my old 1.18
profiles? Or is this a really bad idea? (:
You can install SM2 safely to a folder like Seamonkey2 besides your old 
SM1.1.x
SM2 migrates your profile data to a _new_ profile in another directory. 
So you can use any Seamonkey at any time. Just make sure to add the 
-no-remote  parameter in the shortcut to SM2 if you need to start/run 
both Seamonkeys at the same time.

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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[DoctorBill]

Bob Swartz > wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I have set up a New E-Mail account with a new server but it does not
appear in the left window with my other (old) E-Mail and Newsgroups.

What am I doing wrong?

DoctorBill


Double check the settings. Have you perhaps activated teh Global Inbox 
option?  If so, your new account will appear in Local Folders.



It seems that you have to be computer expert to install Sea Monkey and 
get it to run properly.




Yes !  More or less.

The problems is...if you don't do this almost on a continuous basis, you 
forget how you did it and have to come back here with hat in hand and 
ask AGAIN how to do it.


It is embarrassing and humiliatingthis modern, hi tech, computer 
intense, 57 passwords required to remember, login name intensive BS is 
driving me nuts!


I even write down how it is done, but then don't remember where I put 
the info


Christ !

Now watch as someone chides me for being a numb nuts

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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Nairda]

David Wilkinson wrote:

Nairda wrote:
Yes, they can, and extra profiles and dictionaries can be restored. 
Given the time and inclination.


But some really serious security hole(s) are going to have to be found 
in SM1.1.18 first. (:


For me it is the browser compatibility that will get me to move. Too 
many sites do not display correctly in FireFox 2.x/SeaMonkey 1.x these 
days.


For now I am still using 1.18 on my main (XP) machine. But it's only a 
matter of time.




The only site I have any trouble with what so ever is face book. 
SM1.18 wont let me add text into some text fields. The cursor just 
wont appear in the field. So not even ctrl+c, ctrl+v (MS global 
copy and paste keyboard shortcuts, great for when right clicks 
wont work) will work. Which is about the only time I ever open 
g00gle chr0me. A small price to pay to be able to continue using 
my favourite internet suite.


I don't much like changing default instillation folders. Otherwise 
I would just run 1x and 2x in parallel. Until such time as I am 
satisfied with 2x. I managed it with the actual program shortcuts 
by having two, with one pointing back to 1.18. But couldn't figure 
out how to do the same for the profile managers.


I know this isn't the soundest of practices, but with a little 
care, no problems are caused.


If I just installed the SM2 browser component, could I continue 
using the rest of my SM1.18 apps, Without losing access to my old 
1.18 profiles? Or is this a really bad idea? (:


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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[Martin Freitag]

jim schrieb:

I took your suggestions -- including creating a new account form scratch
and making it default.  the problem persists..


Not a new account, a new SMTP server and associate it with he old account.
The problem itself seems to be a known bug on migration, have a look at 
the other threads around here. ;-)

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Re: Send Link and Word Wrap in SM2

[NoOp]

On 11/24/2009 01:14 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:42:13 -0800, /NoOp/:
> 
>> Actually there are other issues with URL's&  SM 2.0. For example if I
>> copy this link into SM:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Notice that the url link stops just after %2B" and just before
>> *ERROR*+Failed+to+restore+crtc">  So, you can't click the link from my
>> msg to bring up the full url;
> 
> The literal quotation mark character is not allowed in fragment 
> identifiers, "Appendix A.  Collected ABNF for URI" 
> :

Excellent reference! Thanks Stanimir, that answers the '*' issue. Now I
wonder how the Percent-Encoding can be resolved in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475896
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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[Swartz]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

I have set up a New E-Mail account with a new server but it does not
appear in the left window with my other (old) E-Mail and Newsgroups.

What am I doing wrong?

DoctorBill


Double check the settings. Have you perhaps activated teh Global Inbox 
option?  If so, your new account will appear in Local Folders.



It seems that you have to be computer expert to install Sea Monkey and 
get it to run properly.


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Re: Anti-Virus Suites Compatibility

[n...@home]

I've had good results (as far as I know) with F-Secure, but it is not cheap.

Samuel S wrote:

Hello all, I Am trying to figure out which anti-virus suites work well
with SM. I Am currently using AVG, which settings are all geared towards
IE and I cannot figure out how to change that.

Then it came to mind to find out here, who uses what and a consensus is
on the better suite. I was using Kaspersky, which was fine, I wanted to
find if something else out there is just as good.

TIA

Bo1953

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Re: Send Link and Word Wrap in SM2

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:42:13 -0800, /NoOp/:


Actually there are other issues with URL's&  SM 2.0. For example if I
copy this link into SM:



Notice that the url link stops just after %2B" and just before
*ERROR*+Failed+to+restore+crtc">  So, you can't click the link from my
msg to bring up the full url;


The literal quotation mark character is not allowed in fragment 
identifiers, "Appendix A.  Collected ABNF for URI" 
:



   pchar = unreserved / pct-encoded / sub-delims / ":" / "@"

   fragment  = *( pchar / "/" / "?" )

   pct-encoded   = "%" HEXDIG HEXDIG

   unreserved= ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "." / "_" / "~"
   sub-delims= "!" / "$" / "&" / "'" / "(" / ")"
 / "*" / "+" / "," / ";" / "="


It is not allowed in IRIs ether, "2.2. ABNF for IRI References and 
IRIs" :



   ipchar = iunreserved / pct-encoded / sub-delims / ":"
  / "@"

   ifragment  = *( ipchar / "/" / "?" )

   iunreserved= ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "." / "_" / "~" / ucschar

   ucschar= %xA0-D7FF / %xF900-FDCF / %xFDF0-FFEF
  / %x1-1FFFD / %x2-2FFFD / %x3-3FFFD
  / %x4-4FFFD / %x5-5FFFD / %x6-6FFFD
  / %x7-7FFFD / %x8-8FFFD / %x9-9FFFD
  / %xA-AFFFD / %xB-BFFFD / %xC-CFFFD
  / %xD-DFFFD / %xE1000-EFFFD


The basic difference between URIs and IRIs, "2.1.  Summary of IRI 
Syntax" :



   IRIs are defined similarly to URIs in [RFC3986], but the class of
   unreserved characters is extended by adding the characters of the UCS
   (Universal Character Set, [ISO10646]) beyond U+007F, subject to the
   limitations given in the syntax rules below and in section 6.1.


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Re: Anti-Virus Suites Compatibility

[Terry R.]

On 11/23/2009 6:53 PM On a whim, NO pounded out on the keyboard


Samuel S wrote:

Hello all, I Am trying to figure out which anti-virus suites work well
with SM. I Am currently using AVG, which settings are all geared towards
IE and I cannot figure out how to change that.

Then it came to mind to find out here, who uses what and a consensus is
on the better suite. I was using Kaspersky, which was fine, I wanted to
find if something else out there is just as good.

TIA

Bo1953



Hello All - another quick thought, what about something with a firewall?
I think that would somewhat important too. I do not see any of that with
the free programs, unless I have missed it.

Thanks for all input.

Trying Avast next..

Bo1953


The Windows Firewall is more than sufficient, especially if a hardware 
firewall is used (which EVERYONE should have).  Except for those that 
will comment otherwise.


But if you feel the need, Comodo offers a nice free one...


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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[David Wilkinson]

Nairda wrote:
Yes, they can, and extra profiles and dictionaries can be restored. 
Given the time and inclination.


But some really serious security hole(s) are going to have to be found 
in SM1.1.18 first. (:


For me it is the browser compatibility that will get me to move. Too many sites 
do not display correctly in FireFox 2.x/SeaMonkey 1.x these days.


For now I am still using 1.18 on my main (XP) machine. But it's only a matter of 
time.


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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue

[chicagofan]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the
screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this happens only
on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar
(non-public) server which also allows access to small information
without auth.



Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require
authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I
have checked the box to always request authentication.

Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require
authentication?



It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth:
 480 authentication required
may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how.

Does this extra information give anyone a clue?



I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the
same as mine.  Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer
you need.  :)


Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect and read
the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to access
other groups on the servers.



That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received 
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the 
changeover from Motzarella.  These instructions cleared up my problem:



" I can't sign up for a new account, because it says I have an existing
 account."

That was to be expected. You may continue to use your existing
user name and password.

"When I tried just changing my Motzarella address to
 eternal-september... nothing happens.

 What am I doing wrong about this transition?  Thank you"


Please create a new account/server in your *client*, using the
new server name "news.eternal-september.org" and your existing
user name and password. *Please don't forget to set*:

[X] Always authenticate (wording depends on your newsreader)


As mentioned before, this solved my problems.
bj


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Re: NNTP problems - FIX

[Jens Hatlak]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Thanks for the info, now the next question is why it works for anyone
with the official 2.0 release.


Bug 484656 comment 18 suggests that only people with a 
mail.server.serverX.realhostname pref are affected. I for one have no 
account with such a pref and I don't know which action would create it.


HTH

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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[Bill Davidsen]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Steve B. schrieb:

Martin Freitag wrote:

If this is not enough for you, there's Html Validator:
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/249


That's the one I tried, and it generates this message:
Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0


This is because the author hasn't updated the compatibility after 
SM2.0a3 came out. The Easiest way to get around that is to disable the 
compatibility-check in SM:

Type "about:config" in your address-bar
Filter for "extensions.checkCompatibility"
Set it to "false"
Try to install the extension again.

Alternatively you can also download the extension, rename the xpi to 
zip, unzip it, change the SM-max-version to 2.0 in the file install.rdf, 
zip it again, rename it back to xpi and install it.

regards

As much as I appreciate these tips, I feel as though the utility of 
compatibility checking is virtually gone, the majority of things people want 
need to be hacked one way or another to ignore the check, and I predict that at 
some point someone will force install something really incompatible, host 
something they call critical, and bad mouth SeaMonkey widely.


It would be better to advise people to bug the author than disable the check, it 
smacks of taking the battery out of the smoke alarm, it will ignore the backon, 
but won't work when you need it most.


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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[jim]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:09:40 +0100, obones  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import 
>the settings from my existing SM1 installation.
>All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
>While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when 
>sending emails with SM2.
>The error says this:
>
>Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not 
>support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have 
>chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication 
>or contact your service provider.
>
>I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by 
>the given server.
>What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
>Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
>Is there a way to reactivate it?
>
>Thanks

My situation is that I can receive just gangbusters with SM2.  But it
refuses to send, giving the SMTP-AUTH message.  However, the server
settings show no security, no Auth.

Let me know if you get it working and most of all, how you did it.

jim

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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[Bill Davidsen]

Nairda wrote:

obones wrote:

Hello all,

I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to 
import the settings from my existing SM1 installation.

All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when 
sending emails with SM2.

The error says this:

Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not 
support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have 
chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication 
or contact your service provider.


I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by 
the given server.

What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
Is there a way to reactivate it?

Thanks


It's a known bug, you have to disable secure authentication.
It even says so on the SM2 page that loads after the initial 
installation. It's Under "known issues" or whatever.


Of course on many servers that means "never send mail again" because they don't 
support unauthenticated mail. I *suspect* it means the credentials for the SMTP 
sever have been lost, unless you have Verizon in which case it means "we are 
blocking SMTP" and requires that you use Verizon protocol, a variant of message 
submission protocol, which is only supported by about 15-20% of the servers on 
Earth. Effectively it means you have to use their servers.


Rumors that VZ did this so they could more easily collect your data for the 
government are unsubstantiated.


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Re: Lost address book

[Bill Davidsen]

Brian Fairey wrote:

When upgrading from SM 1.X to 2.0 I have lost(missplaced)
my address book. Where do I find it and how do I reconnect it to SM?

Fire up 1.1.xx and go to the addressbook, select a book, and use the 'export' 
tool under tool pulldown to put the book(s) of your choice into a text file 
(LDIF or csv). Then exit 1.1.xx and start 2.0, open the address book and use the 
import tool to get the addresses.


I do wish there was an import selected addresses tool, but the exported file is 
readable by a text editor so you can do what editing you wish, although not in a 
wonderful user-friendly way for most people. ;-)


Do everything is easy, have fun.

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Re: NNTP problems - FIX

[Bill Davidsen]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

It seems that a fix is available for this problem, assuming you are
willing to build your own SeaMonkey from source. Bug #484656 seems to
change the "You have your config wrong" to "we were parsing your config
wrong." In any case the problem is identified, and *maybe* this will be
in 2.0.1 as a fix.


Since comm-1.9.1 (the base of 2.0.x releases) branched after the fix for 
that bug was checked in it already contains that fix. IOW, it's already 
fixed in 2.0.1pre nightlies (which you can get without building from 
source) and will be fixed in 2.0.1. :-)


Huzzah! I hate to run a work in progress in production, but that might be the 
best solution.


Thanks for the info, now the next question is why it works for anyone with the 
official 2.0 release.


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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue

[Bill Davidsen]

chicagofan wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

NoOp wrote:


I do notice in your
http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that
your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to
post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'?


NNTP<=>  SMTP, SMTP is mail, used when you "reply all" or similar. If 
SM2 is
trying to use that for the NNTP POST command it is sadly broken. 
However, since
other news servers, authenticated and not, work just fine with that 
outgoing

SMTP server setting, I assume the problem is elsewhere.

In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the
screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this 
happens only on

this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar
(non-public) server which also allows access to small information 
without auth.



Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require 
authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I 
have checked the box to always request authentication.


Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require 
authentication?




It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth:
480 authentication required
may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how. In any case, 
it never

even tries to POST, suggesting that internally the connection has been
identified as read-only. I have no idea what would cause that.

Does this extra information give anyone a clue?



I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the 
same as mine.  Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer 
you need.  :)


Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect and read 
the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to access 
other groups on the servers.


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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[jim]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:45:12 +0100, Martin Freitag
 in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>obones schrieb:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import
>> the settings from my existing SM1 installation.
>> All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
>> While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when
>> sending emails with SM2.
>> The error says this:
>>
>> Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not
>> support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have
>> chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication
>> or contact your service provider.
>>
>> I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by
>> the given server.
>> What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
>> Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
>> Is there a way to reactivate it?
>I'd recommend making sure that you have entered your login-data for the 
>STMP server if necessary (if not, e.g. your provider is using SMTP after 
>POP, remove them). Try to enable an disable the secure authentification 
>to test with each setting. When trying with, StartTLS should be 
>supported my most servers I think.
>If everything fails, try to recreate a second SMTP server fom scratch 
>and associate it with your corresponding-account.
>regards
>
>Martin


I took your suggestions -- including creating a new account form scratch
and making it default.  the problem persists..

jim
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Re: How to install version 2.0 so that it does NOT interfere with Version 1.1.18

[NoOp]

On 11/24/2009 02:05 AM, Martin Freitag wrote:
> Hartmut Figge schrieb:
>> NoOp:
>>
>>> If I "Start SM 2.0 /without/ the -no-remote switch" and "start 1.1 with
>>> a -no-remote switch" I will only get another 2.0 window.
>>
>> Well, on Linux i will get SM1 then. *g*
> And that's the point. NoOp, you're using Linux it seems and Mark Hansen 
> is using windows. On Windows -no-remote is not available for SM1.1.x 
> (basically it is not available for Linx too, but an unknown parameter on 
> linux results in using MO_NO_REMOTE variable being used, which is 
> available on windows too, but not used automatically).
> 
> So Mark needs to first start SM1.1.x and then SM2.0 with -no-remote to 
> use both.
> Or he adds MOZ_NO_REMOTE variable to his system and sets it to the value 1.
> regards
> 
> Martin

Ah OK... hit me with a bag of rocks :-)

Win2KP:

Test 1
1. Open 2.0 with -no-remote
2. Open 1.1.18 without -no-remote
Result: 1.1.18 opens independently.

Test 2
1. Open 1.1.18 without -no-remote
2. Open 2.0 with -no-remote
Result: 2.0 opens independently

Test 3
1. Open 2.0 without -no-remote
2. Open 1.1.18 with -no-remote
Result: 1.1.18 only opens a new 2.0 browser window and does not start
independently

Test 4
1. Open 1.1.18 with -no-remote
2. Open 2.0 without -no-remote
Result: 1.1.18 only opens a new 1.1.18 browser window and does not start
independently

Got it. Thanks.

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Re: Inbox messages history

[cyberzen]

Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

Keith Whaley wrote:


Where do I find the inbox index (?) file?

I have moved excess inbox messages to a separate folder ("Old Inbox"),
and want to delete what shows up in my current Inbox. Make it empty,
in other words.

But, I forgot what the saved messages are (what suffix they carry
(.msn?)) and where they're located.

Thanks for all guidance.


Well, the messages should be named "Inbox" (no extension), and the
corresponding index is "Inbox.msf"; if you have multiple accounts you
should find one under each account.

But the easy way to do this, having moved all desired messages out of
Inbox, is to simply delete the remaining messages from inside the
program and then compact folders. You don't need to go poking around in
directories and be sure to get the right file.



In local folders you can build a whole hierarchy and move some messages 
inside it

then compact the originate folder
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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Steve B. wrote:



David E. Ross wrote:



Why not use the W3C validator at?



The SeaMonkey accessory (plug-in?? is much more convenient since it
gives me validation of any page it opens.

Steve


Don't have this for Mac OSX


See my recent post in this thread, Web developer Toolbar does this 
easily, and is available for Macs.


Lee
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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[Leonidas Jones]

David Wilkinson wrote:

Martin Freitag wrote:

/snip/


But thanks for the tip. I cannot live without HTML Validator. For me a
web site whose web pages pass validation is a strong quality indicator.

Would you buy software from a company that cannot even write a valid web
page? (Unfortunately you often have to, because the fraction of valid
web sites is very very low.)



I always used the Web Developer Toolbar for the purpose, which send the 
code to the w3c validator, and displays it with a click, accessed from 
the Web Developer Toolbar Tools menu.


It has the distinct advantage of being available for Mac and Linux as 
well, and offers may other tools.


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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[cyberzen]

obones a écrit :

Hello all,

I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import
the settings from my existing SM1 installation.
All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when
sending emails with SM2.
The error says this:

Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not
support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have
chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication
or contact your service provider.

I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by
the given server.
What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
Is there a way to reactivate it?

Thanks


I think they prefered that we do not use authentication on insecure 
link, may be you can drop authentication for smtp, if it does not need to.

but I do not know exactly why this was changed

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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[jim]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:42:48 +1000, Nairda  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>obones wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import 
>> the settings from my existing SM1 installation.
>> All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
>> While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when 
>> sending emails with SM2.
>> The error says this:
>> 
>> Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not 
>> support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have 
>> chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication 
>> or contact your service provider.
>> 
>> I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by 
>> the given server.
>> What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
>> Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
>> Is there a way to reactivate it?
>> 
>> Thanks
>
>It's a known bug, you have to disable secure authentication.
>It even says so on the SM2 page that loads after the initial 
>installation. It's Under "known issues" or whatever.
>I don't know why this preference was changed. It never used to be 
>enabled in previous versions.
>
>But you got to love these guys, they work their guts out for us 
>all, for very little thanks or recognition. Even with my 
>"Importing multiple SM 1.x identities into SM2" migration blues, I 
>still think they have done an amazing job.
>
>Anyway, this should do the trick for you.
>
>Edit>Preferences>Server Settings>un-check "use secure authentication"
>
>HTH
>Happy webing. (:
>~n

I believe you mean "Mail & News Accounts" instead of Preferences?

Anyway, same problem here, the connection security was already "none" and
"use connection secure authentification" was already unchecked.  I set
them on, saved it, cycled SM, undid it, cycled SM and I still get the same
"SMTP-AUTH" message.

jim

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Lost address book

[Brian Fairey]

When upgrading from SM 1.X to 2.0 I have lost(missplaced)
my address book. Where do I find it and how do I reconnect it to SM?
Brian.
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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[Phillip Jones]

Steve B. wrote:



David E. Ross wrote:



Why not use the W3C validator at?



The SeaMonkey accessory (plug-in?? is much more convenient since it
gives me validation of any page it opens.

Steve


Don't have this for Mac OSX
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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[Martin Freitag]

obones schrieb:

Hello all,

I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import
the settings from my existing SM1 installation.
All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when
sending emails with SM2.
The error says this:

Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not
support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have
chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication
or contact your service provider.

I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by
the given server.
What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
Is there a way to reactivate it?
I'd recommend making sure that you have entered your login-data for the 
STMP server if necessary (if not, e.g. your provider is using SMTP after 
POP, remove them). Try to enable an disable the secure authentification 
to test with each setting. When trying with, StartTLS should be 
supported my most servers I think.
If everything fails, try to recreate a second SMTP server fom scratch 
and associate it with your corresponding-account.

regards

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Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[Nairda]

obones wrote:

Hello all,

I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import 
the settings from my existing SM1 installation.

All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when 
sending emails with SM2.

The error says this:

Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not 
support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have 
chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication 
or contact your service provider.


I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by 
the given server.

What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
Is there a way to reactivate it?

Thanks


It's a known bug, you have to disable secure authentication.
It even says so on the SM2 page that loads after the initial 
installation. It's Under "known issues" or whatever.
I don't know why this preference was changed. It never used to be 
enabled in previous versions.


But you got to love these guys, they work their guts out for us 
all, for very little thanks or recognition. Even with my 
"Importing multiple SM 1.x identities into SM2" migration blues, I 
still think they have done an amazing job.


Anyway, this should do the trick for you.

Edit>Preferences>Server Settings>un-check "use secure authentication"

HTH
Happy webing. (:
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Migrating SM 1.x to SM 2.0 -- Personal toolbar

[jim]

Windows XP sp2
Seamonkey 2.0

With  much travail (not really, just time) it is done -- the personal
toolbar, (folders and icons, probably over a hundred bookmarks) from SM
1.x is now display properly in SM 2.0.

I doubt that the format of bookmarks.html changed for 1.x to 2.0, but if
it did it is backward compatible.

I have no idea if the un-installation (complete) of SM 1.x trashed its
bookmarks.html because mine were pointed to a second level subdirectory
instead of six or so levels down.  Mine Use a prefs.js entry:

browser.bookmarks.file;C:\program files\sharedbookmarks\bookmarks_sm.html

(That's a user set string for about:config.)  

For years I had shared them with Firefox and simply had to be aware of who
was rewriting the file last to keep them synched.  I haven't for a while. 

I note that the header from prefs.js has finally been changed from
"" to "# Mozilla User Preferences"

FACE


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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[David Wilkinson]

Martin Freitag wrote:
This is because the author hasn't updated the compatibility after 
SM2.0a3 came out. The Easiest way to get around that is to disable the 
compatibility-check in SM:

Type "about:config" in your address-bar
Filter for "extensions.checkCompatibility"
Set it to "false"
Try to install the extension again.

Alternatively you can also download the extension, rename the xpi to 
zip, unzip it, change the SM-max-version to 2.0 in the file install.rdf, 
zip it again, rename it back to xpi and install it.

regards


Oh, the joy of using SeaMonkey :-).

But thanks for the tip. I cannot live without HTML Validator. For me a web site 
whose web pages pass validation is a strong quality indicator.


Would you buy software from a company that cannot even write a valid web page? 
(Unfortunately you often have to, because the fraction of valid web sites is 
very very low.)


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SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1

[obones]

Hello all,

I'm currently reviewing SM2 and when I installed it I told it to import 
the settings from my existing SM1 installation.

All email accounts got imported, along with the SMTP server definition.
While I can send emails just fine in SM1, I always get an error when 
sending emails with SM2.

The error says this:

Unable to authenticate to SMTP server SERVER_NAME. The serer does not 
support any compatible insecure authentication mechanism but you have 
chosen insecure authentication. Try switching on secure authentication 
or contact your service provider.


I tried turning on TLS or even SSL, but none of these are provided by 
the given server.

What I find weird is that it worked and continues to work fine in SM1.
Obviously, some option has been removed/disabled in SM2, but which one?
Is there a way to reactivate it?

Thanks
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Re: New Mail account does not appear in window on left

[obones]

DoctorBill wrote:

I have set up a New E-Mail account with a new server but it does not
appear in the left window with my other (old) E-Mail and Newsgroups.

What am I doing wrong?


I noticed that new newsgroups servers only appear after having restarted 
the mail part of SM2. Maybe it's the same for emails.

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Re: Help on a true profile migration problem from SM1.1.18 to SM2

[Alex Beauroy]

John Doue wrote:

Alex Beauroy wrote:

Hi,
I have installed several time SM2 but never got the Migration Wizard.
I would like to use one of the 2 profiles I had with SM1.1.18 but 
don't know how does the Migration Wizard works...

So went back to SM1.1.18
How pitiful
Can I get a little solution for that???
Best Regards
@lex


I never saw the migration wizard either, but did not miss it. I just 
used profile manager. IIRC, I changed the name of the profile I normally 
use with SM 1.1.18, created a new one pointing to the location of my 
"old" profile, and opened SM2. With limited success since it did not 
like, apparently, its complexity and I had to enter manually most email 
et newsgroups info. But this will not necessarily be your case.


As I said in a different thread, I took care to zip my whole profile and 
SM directories before I proceeded to install SM2. Therefore, returning 
to SM 1.xx was a piece of cake.


Hope this helps.

Finally I just Installed Thunderbird and got a Profile Migration Wizard 
that allowed me to import all my wife's

e-mail data.
Now I'll be happy to know how can I create a new Profile in thunderbird 
to import my personal data from the other Seamonkey 1.1.18 profile

Help, Shit happens
Best Regards
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Re: How to install version 2.0 so that it does NOT interfere with Version 1.1.18

[Martin Freitag]

Hartmut Figge schrieb:

NoOp:


If I "Start SM 2.0 /without/ the -no-remote switch" and "start 1.1 with
a -no-remote switch" I will only get another 2.0 window.


Well, on Linux i will get SM1 then. *g*
And that's the point. NoOp, you're using Linux it seems and Mark Hansen 
is using windows. On Windows -no-remote is not available for SM1.1.x 
(basically it is not available for Linx too, but an unknown parameter on 
linux results in using MO_NO_REMOTE variable being used, which is 
available on windows too, but not used automatically).


So Mark needs to first start SM1.1.x and then SM2.0 with -no-remote to 
use both.

Or he adds MOZ_NO_REMOTE variable to his system and sets it to the value 1.
regards

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Re: HTML validator for SM 2.0

[Martin Freitag]

Steve B. schrieb:

Martin Freitag wrote:

If this is not enough for you, there's Html Validator:
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/249


That's the one I tried, and it generates this message:
Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0


This is because the author hasn't updated the compatibility after 
SM2.0a3 came out. The Easiest way to get around that is to disable the 
compatibility-check in SM:

Type "about:config" in your address-bar
Filter for "extensions.checkCompatibility"
Set it to "false"
Try to install the extension again.

Alternatively you can also download the extension, rename the xpi to 
zip, unzip it, change the SM-max-version to 2.0 in the file install.rdf, 
zip it again, rename it back to xpi and install it.

regards

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