Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[Hartmut Figge]

Daniel:
>NoOp wrote:

>> Right, a 64bit build looks like this:
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
>> rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100108 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre
>
>Oh!! Well that then prompts the question
>
>Where can I find true 64 bit versions??

Well, if you need such a version, you surely have a 64bit machine to run
it on. And with such a machine you could build a 64bit version by your
own and give Robert a link to it, so that he could upload it for others. :-P

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Re: Installing SM v.2.x in a HD Partition OTHER Than c:\

[HenriK]

HenriK wrote:
My memory is that a workaround was required when one wanted to have SM 
v.1.x installed in a HD partition other than c:\.


Does SM v.2.x also require some sort of a workaround if one desires it 
to be installed in a HD partition other than c:\?  If so, where do I 
find the instructions for the workaround?


Thanks in advance for the assistance.



I am very appreciative of the good advice but I still am not doing 
something right or am a bit thick in the head.


I copied the original profile location under 'Documents and Settings' on 
my c:\ drive (all of the stuff in the folder that has what appears to be 
a randomly generated name) and then pasted it to the partition where I 
really want these files to reside.  I further pointed SeaMonkey e-mail 
to the new location.


What has happened is quite weird.  The mail now goes to the new location 
but the address book and the bookmarks (and perhaps other things) have 
remained in the original 'Documents and Settings' folder on my c:\ drive.


Can anybody suggest what I might have done wrong and suggest a fix for 
the problem?


Thanks, in advance, for suggestions and comments.
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:07:33 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:

>> Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
>> to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
>> work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
>> there will not be any more profile migrations.
>>
> You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read 
> your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the 
> new application and star right where you left off.

Well Firefox 3.6 uses the same profile system as Firefox 1.0. Although
it is strongly recommended that you don't try to go back to Firefox 1.0
(or 2.0 or 3.0) with a profile that has been updated by Firefox 3.6.

Ditto for Thunderbird.

And of course Mozilla Suite profiles all the way back from 1.7 or even
earlier are forward compatible until the end of the XPFE line at
SeaMonkey 1.1.

I don't see it being any different for SeaMonkey 2.0 going forward.

Phil

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check only

[user]

jim
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browsing

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Phillip Jones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil


You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read
your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the
new application and star right where you left off.



Well, let me put it this way: SM now is using the same infrastructure as
Firefox and Thunderbird, and plans on keeping doing so.

If FF+TB ever decide to change their profiles substantially so that a
profile migration will be necessary, *they* will have to solve that
headache first. And it will be a *big* headache, since there are
hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there. Personally, I think
they will try to find ways to make it work with the current profiles.

Even if a migration is needed, by the time the need to migrate reaches
Seamonkey (SM can wait a few months to a year before migrating without
much of a problem) the migrating subroutines will be very well debugged.

So, while there *might* be future profile migrations some time in the
far future (although none in the perceived horizon), it should be way
less traumatic than this one.



Hurray! No more Worrying about something breaking (fingers and toes, and 
legs, Crossed).


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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 01/10/2010 04:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Daniel schrieb:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US;
rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Note the x86_64...


That's a 32bit build (i686) running on a 64bit (x86_64) machine.

Robert Kaiser


Right, a 64bit build looks like this:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100108 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre




Oh!! Well that then prompts the question

Where can I find true 64 bit versions??
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Bookmarks, etc, question repost..

[jim]

(This is a repost, I got no reply previously.  Feel free to ask questions
in case I left something pertinent out.)

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:36:32 -0500, jim  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:31 -0800, NoOp  in
>mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:
>
>
>> but having the ability to quickly change
>>path/user enmass in prefs.js is what enables me to easily transport an
>>entire .mozilla folder to another machine & have it working in a matter
>>of minutes.
>
>Machine 1:
>WIn XP SP2
>Seamonkey 2.01
>
>Machine 2:
>WIn XP SP2
>Seamonkey 2.01
>
>
>I am trying to make Machine 2 have the same bookmarks and bookmarks
>toolbar as Machine 1.
>
>The following 1,2,3 worked fine with FF:
>
>1. close app.
>2. Locate Machine 1's places.sqlite and copy to same directory on Machine 
>   2.
>
>3. Reopen app on Machine 2.
>
>It does not seem to work with Seamonkey, which *appears* to grab the last
>backup copy of places.sqlite on Machine 2 and use that.  (that is, when
>replaced with machine 1's Seamonkey's places.sqlite.
>
>So my question is just which parameter(s) in prefs.js do you change?
>
>jim

Basically, I am starting over so I am reposting the original message.

So far, Sea Monkey 2.0.1 has defeated me in this.

The idea is to clone 2.01 form machine 1 (aka M1)to Machine 2 (aka M2) and
the particulars of my last failures follow:

1. Uninstalled SM 2.0.1 from M2. 
2. Reinstalled SM 2.0;.1 on M2 without launching after install complete.
Copied entire SM profile (about 34 subdirectories) from D&S in M1 to M2)
3. Prepped prefs.js by doing mass change of M1 name (jim) to M2 name (PC1)
   (operation detail -- Qedit reported 11 changes made, EXCEPT I did not
change 2  entries specifically for IRC in Prefs.js where "jim" is the user
name and those CMD entries did not refer to D&S location)
4. Replaced places.sqlite on m2 with m1 copy.

5. started SM2 on M2.

6.  Result of intended operation -- failure PLUS.
The PLUS was that not only did I have no bookmarks transferred *but* the
personal toolbar was also locked *and* that the personal toolbar was now
locked to drag & drop items from the Navigation window.

(The profile copy was successful since the Adblock icon now appeared on
Personal toolbar -- and was operable -- of M2 browser and all subfolders,
filters and mail were present and operable in M2 SM email client.)

End initial attempt at elegant symphony.  :-)
(it should have worked)

Enter Plan B:

1. Export bookmarks from M1 to file (bookmarks.html) on shared folder on
M1.
2. Import bookmarks to M2 (using "manage bookmarks")

3. For that session, there were 536 "objects" in bookmark manager and
bookmarks did exist from toolbar call of bookmarks but not on Personal
Toolbar.

4. I unset and reset "bookmarks toolbar" as personal toolbar.
Result:  Personal toolbar populated with proper bookmarks and folders.

BUT

When i closed and reopened SM on M2, all bookmarks had disappeared.


(I did Plan A and Plan B complete operations several times)

Any ideas?

jim
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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[NoOp]

On 01/10/2010 04:02 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> NoOp schrieb:
>> Revisiting this... regarding the lack of 64bit build on linux.
> 
> Decent Linux distributions offer them, no need for us to do so.
> 
>> Why is it that the 'nightly' builds of SeaMonkey generally include a
>> 64bit build, but the final releases do not?
> 
> Because we do have too little build power to do release builds as well, 
> we only have one signle machine for 64bit.
> 
> Robert Kaiser

Sigh... I reckon my CRS is kicking in again; I should have remembered
you had mentioned this once before.
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Why only 8,192 entries for disk cache?

[Ant]

I noticed in both SeaMonkey v1.x and v2.x, its about:cache shows its 
number of disk cache entries can only go up to 8,192. Why is that? Is 
this value customizable to be higher?


An example of my current SeaMonkey v2.0.1's about:cache:

Disk cache device

Number of entries:  8192
Maximum storage size:   614400 KiB
Storage in use: 156143 KiB
Cache Directory: 	C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Local 
Settings\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\Cache


Thank you in advnace. :)
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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

[Ant]

On 1/10/2010 1:43 PM PT, Bernard Mercier typed:


I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I
can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail
address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.



I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and
folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my
prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After
restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am
I mising something else to clean/delete?



I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows
7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using
an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did
NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup
from scratch).

>

Maybe in password manager?


I don't use SM's password manager. I checked to see if there was 
anything in it and it was empty. I even tried reset and no changes. :(

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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

[Bernard Mercier]

Il se trouve que Ant a formulé :
> Hello!

> I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I 
> can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail 
> address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.

> I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and 
> folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application 
> Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my 
> prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After 
> restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am 
> I mising something else to clean/delete?

> I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows 
> 7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using 
> an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did 
> NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup 
> from scratch).

> Thank you in advance. :)
Maybe in password manager?

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
>>> change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
>>> the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
>>> to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.
>>
>> Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
>> to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
>> work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
>> there will not be any more profile migrations.
>>
>> Phil
>>
> You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read 
> your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the 
> new application and star right where you left off.
> 

Well, let me put it this way: SM now is using the same infrastructure as
Firefox and Thunderbird, and plans on keeping doing so.

If FF+TB ever decide to change their profiles substantially so that a
profile migration will be necessary, *they* will have to solve that
headache first. And it will be a *big* headache, since there are
hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there. Personally, I think
they will try to find ways to make it work with the current profiles.

Even if a migration is needed, by the time the need to migrate reaches
Seamonkey (SM can wait a few months to a year before migrating without
much of a problem) the migrating subroutines will be very well debugged.

So, while there *might* be future profile migrations some time in the
far future (although none in the perceived horizon), it should be way
less traumatic than this one.

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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[NoOp]

On 01/10/2010 04:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Daniel schrieb:
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US;
>> rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1
>>
>> Note the x86_64...
> 
> That's a 32bit build (i686) running on a 64bit (x86_64) machine.
> 
> Robert Kaiser

Right, a 64bit build looks like this:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100108 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre


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Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

[Ant]

Hello!

I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I 
can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail 
address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.


I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and 
folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my 
prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After 
restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am 
I mising something else to clean/delete?


I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows 
7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using 
an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did 
NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup 
from scratch).


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

[Rufus]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server "home" page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin
Mozilla doesn't allow screenshot attachments on the system The only 
group to allows this was abandoned because the moderator quit and the 
rules to post were untenable.
Be sure to tell them to post on there own website and post a link or 
such places as Picasso or other sites that allow you to post images.




Yeah - I figured that.  This isn't a binary group...I tried to better 
describe what I'm seeing SEPCOR.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Rufus]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change 
and

change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.


If they work properly I love auto updates. In the past I've seen where 
an auto update was Bad and I ended having to go to site and download the 
application.


On Mac its a piece of cake to replace the application with another 
version Drag the old application Icon (which is actually the entire 
application to trash open the .DMG file (Disk Image) drag the new 
version to application folder , double click to open and your set.




I don't mind auto updates if they give me a notice and choice to say no 
to them - I just trashed Google Chrome for that reason..."stealth 
updates".  I don't like that about Google Earth either, but I'm putting 
up with it just because I mostly trust where it's coming from and who's 
doing it - but I don't like the way they're doing it.


Yeah - manual updates on a Mac are a breeze.  And I recently grabbed a 
couple (free!) Widgets that will review and check all of my installs 
(both apps and widgets) and let me know what the latest versions are and 
link me to where I can grab them.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

[Rufus]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server "home" page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin


Yeah...not really sure I'm describing what I'm seeing clearly, and 
unless I can post a screenshot here I really don't have a way to do so. 
 You wouldn't see this if you didn't have a preview pane set open and 
browse messages by opening them - I think it's really called the Message 
Pane, looking at the menu options.


I use Classic View for Mail/News - if you have a Message Pane open 
browsing a subscription, go to the pane that displays the option links 
for account settings, search, etc. by selecting the Account name and 
open a tab from there; the tab will open to the same page/selection.


Once you select a subscription to view the Message Pane is snapped shut 
and you have to drag it back open - in both tabs.  The display setting 
for the Message Pane is not remembered and/or carried forward for the 
next tab.


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Phillip Jones]

JeffM wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

[...]sites[...]that use[ActiveX].


Yup.
Site owners who insist on using junk that only *some* folks have
is another case of stupidity that surfers have to deal with.

Webmaster who don't know how to sniff for browsers properly
has also been mentioned.

Folks who go to stupid people's sites,
have to get to be smarter than those stupid people.


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I've run into a Bunch [of sites] that don't show up right
because they are not written correctly.


Martin's link in news:hice6n$a6...@news.albasani.net
is the starting point.
Most stupid webmasters don't even realize how stupid they are.


Where does that leave me though?


Reading the FAQ / Release Notes
for something you use is a good practice:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:QTkuBlNz5d8J:www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1+via+via+*-*-a-new-profile+Troubleshooting+via+via+Safe.Mode#troubleshooting
http://tinyurl.com/VisitingBrokenWebsites
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1/

The other part of Martin's post adds a useful detail to that.


Sure you may be technically right,
but how can I use a browser that gives me so many blank pages?


Start by making sure it's not YOU whose preferences bork things.

NoOp has given a solution
that has been echoed and confirmed multiple times in this thread.
news:gcwdnsv6d7dountwnz2dnuvz_jji4...@mozilla.org

Again, a *smart* webmaster / site builder
would give you AN ERROR MESSAGE stating what is needed.

:Is SM a dying product?
:
No, but the number of folks who understand
HOW MANY ways a webmaster can screw up a web site
has always been a tiny proportion of users.

...and if a site owner has built a site
in a way that it will ONLY work with ONE browser
and he ISN'T listening to complaints to his email,
the obvious solution is to surrender to his stupidity
and use the browser he prefers.
Welcome to 1997.
I've continually updated my website from time to to time. although the 
content itself may seem childish, hokey, or stupid, to most here (its 
mostly a website about my family tree and family) I've finally (I think) 
have got it so that it passes w3C standards for XHTML 1.0 Transitional 
with out any errors.  So it should show up on any browser and look 
relatively the same. I have two instances in which I use embed tags for 
 the same Flash Slide Show on two pages. I use DreamWeaver 8. and would 
like to figure out a method to do this instead of using embed.


But other than those two instances it 100& compatible with XHTML 1.0 
Transitional.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated
the site has abandoned the site.


Well, what we can't do anything against and what Firefox is seeing as
well is that some people disappear or decide not to maintain an add-on
any more. That can happen any time. What we can possibly do something
about is people actively supporting Firefox but not supporting SeaMonkey
yet or any more - we are working on some campaigns to animate them to
make those compatible with SeaMonkey 2.x.

Robert Kaiser


I hope So.
 in case above both post on the Forums and post directly to tech 
support appears as though they went into Vapor. I not on Google there 
was mention because someone else took upon themselves port SkyPilot to 
SM  two That was removed because they didn't have proper permission. Yet 
the aggrieved person was not interested in doing a Proper Conversion. 
Its as though he has lost interest. Yet doesn't want anyone to take 
over, even though he has lost interest.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Phillip Jones]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil

You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read 
your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the 
new application and star right where you left off.


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[JeffM]

>>Phillip Jones wrote:
>>>[...]sites[...]that use[ActiveX].
>>>
Yup.
Site owners who insist on using junk that only *some* folks have
is another case of stupidity that surfers have to deal with.

Webmaster who don't know how to sniff for browsers properly
has also been mentioned.

Folks who go to stupid people's sites,
have to get to be smarter than those stupid people.

>Devils_Advocate wrote:
>>>I've run into a Bunch [of sites] that don't show up right
>>>because they are not written correctly.
>>>
Martin's link in news:hice6n$a6...@news.albasani.net
is the starting point.
Most stupid webmasters don't even realize how stupid they are.

>>Where does that leave me though?
>>
Reading the FAQ / Release Notes
for something you use is a good practice:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:QTkuBlNz5d8J:www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1+via+via+*-*-a-new-profile+Troubleshooting+via+via+Safe.Mode#troubleshooting
http://tinyurl.com/VisitingBrokenWebsites
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1/

The other part of Martin's post adds a useful detail to that.

>>Sure you may be technically right,
>>but how can I use a browser that gives me so many blank pages?
>>
Start by making sure it's not YOU whose preferences bork things.

NoOp has given a solution
that has been echoed and confirmed multiple times in this thread.
news:gcwdnsv6d7dountwnz2dnuvz_jji4...@mozilla.org

Again, a *smart* webmaster / site builder
would give you AN ERROR MESSAGE stating what is needed.

:Is SM a dying product?
:
No, but the number of folks who understand
HOW MANY ways a webmaster can screw up a web site
has always been a tiny proportion of users.

...and if a site owner has built a site
in a way that it will ONLY work with ONE browser
and he ISN'T listening to complaints to his email,
the obvious solution is to surrender to his stupidity
and use the browser he prefers.
Welcome to 1997.
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Robert Kaiser]

Philip Chee schrieb:

The ability to import/migrate *some* data (I think global history) from
1.x profiles will be lost in 1.9.2.


Download history actually. From all I know, global history will work for 
a longer time.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Robert Kaiser]

Phillip Jones schrieb:

One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated
the site has abandoned the site.


Well, what we can't do anything against and what Firefox is seeing as 
well is that some people disappear or decide not to maintain an add-on 
any more. That can happen any time. What we can possibly do something 
about is people actively supporting Firefox but not supporting SeaMonkey 
yet or any more - we are working on some campaigns to animate them to 
make those compatible with SeaMonkey 2.x.


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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

> Phil, it's better to give the url instead of speaking about Google

Teach a man to fish etc.

> My test using google
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=seamonkey+folder+pane+tools
> give me as the first link this page
> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1519805
> Which, i think, is not your webpage :-)

But it's a thread that leads to my webpage!

Phil

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Martin Freitag wrote:
> Philip Chee schrieb:
>> On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:
>>> You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?
>>
>> Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
>> lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
>> (Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
>> 3.7 in late 2010.
>>
>> We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
>> 2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
>> (Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.
> 
> Is that "bad"? (e.g. that SM2.1 will be based on gecko 1.9.2)
> I guess (as a non-developer), the biggest change was the one from the 
> old SM to the new toolkit stuff and won't cause severe changes while 
> "living" in Gecko 1.9.x, especially not for the users. (like: oh, we 
> have to abandon form-manager and half of the SM users crying, etc.)
> regards

The ability to import/migrate *some* data (I think global history) from
1.x profiles will be lost in 1.9.2. We had hoped to have most of our 1.x
users migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0 before switching to 2.1. As a workaround
I guess we can make a release note for 1.x users to upgrade to 2.0 first.

Other than that 1.9.2 is a significant improvement which will enable us
to do more fancy stuff (if only we had the developers to do it of course).

Phil

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

> Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and 
> change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling 
> the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer 
> to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil

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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

[Phillip Jones]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server "home" page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin
Mozilla doesn't allow screenshot attachments on the system The only 
group to allows this was abandoned because the moderator quit and the 
rules to post were untenable.
Be sure to tell them to post on there own website and post a link or 
such places as Picasso or other sites that allow you to post images.


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Re: History search function

[jim]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:58:26 +0100, Martin Freitag
 in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

>jim schrieb:
>> Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
>> history search function.
>>
>> I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
>> it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
>> though the text fragment was not in the URL.
>>
>> It apparently searched its cache files.
>>
>> That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.
>
>I don't think that this is a feature of IE itself, I guess it's in 
>addition when having installed "windows search" as computers which don't 
>have that installed suggest to install it below the url-bar when typing 
>to improve the results. The browser doesn't index the files.
>regards
>
>Martin

Very interesting.  I have never overtly installed any add-on to IE  --
such as "Windows Search".   

jim

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Phillip Jones]

Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffMwrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.





26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors

I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
text
"English | United States[ Change ]"
in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.



By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the
same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6.



Oops!  It is a sniffing problem.  I get a "To enter portal, click here"
line (with a link) when I spoof IE 7.  Selecting that link gives me the
FAQ.



David, NoOp has suggested this site needs cookies turned on. I have my
cookies set for sessional cookies and this site WFM!

Have set use default cookie permissions seems to work for me.

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Phillip Jones]

John Doue wrote:

On 1/10/2010 12:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


Yes, provided the update does not make incompatible extensions you are
not prepared to do without ... Some extensions' author may have trouble
updating as fast as the main product does. A point to consider and an
important one, given the pivotal role customizing plays in the
popularity of those products.



Install MrTech extension that way you can block the compatibility check.
 Most that have been altered to work on SM 2 simply need the  version 
check updated.

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Phillip Jones]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Philip Chee schrieb:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.


Is that "bad"? (e.g. that SM2.1 will be based on gecko 1.9.2)
I guess (as a non-developer), the biggest change was the one from the
old SM to the new toolkit stuff and won't cause severe changes while
"living" in Gecko 1.9.x, especially not for the users. (like: oh, we
have to abandon form-manager and half of the SM users crying, etc.)
regards

Martin

Not Crying Pissed off (pardon my French).

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Phillip Jones]

Devils_Advocate wrote:

Phillip Jones   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

"Rinaldi J. Montessi"wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.

Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?


No.  It's an excellent product that's too advanced for some putzy
sites.



If it cant read a lot of sites, it wont matter.



Give a sample

The only sites I can't get into (on Mac) are ones that use Active-X
Even if SM Mac was setup for active -X Apple doesn't or won't allow
it . they deem it too dangerous.

I've run into a Bunch that don't show up right because they are not
written correctly.



Where does that leave me though?

Sure you may be technically right, but how can I use a browser that
gives me so many blank pages?

IS it possible you have something set in preferences, or using an 
extension that blocks images?


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jesse Molina schrieb:

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user. I'm very frustrated
that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.

I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible apps,
but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey at all.


Some do, some do not, unfortunately. We'll be trying to get in contact
with the add-ons community even more to encourage them to make their
work available for SeaMonkey as well, but even though we have probably
about a million users, we naturally are standing in the shadow of the
mass-market Firefox with its 200-300 million users.

Still, with SeaMonkey 2, it's much easier to get Firefox add-ons to work
with SeaMonkey, and we hope more and more add-ons will do that.

Robert Kaiser


One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them 
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com 
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated 
 the site has abandoned the site. Until I started using QuoteColors It 
was my default Theme. Now I've had to use something else because of the 
incompatibility. The quotecolors vendor even tested and found it was a 
defect in SKyPilot.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Phillip Jones]

Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.


If they work properly I love auto updates. In the past I've seen where 
an auto update was Bad and I ended having to go to site and download the 
application.


On Mac its a piece of cake to replace the application with another 
version Drag the old application Icon (which is actually the entire 
application to trash open the .DMG file (Disk Image) drag the new 
version to application folder , double click to open and your set.


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Re: Email Address Autocompletion

[George Carden]

nr wrote:

Using 2.0.1.  When entering an email address in the To: box, after
entering a few characters, prior versions of SeaMonkey would have the
most recently used address at the top of the list (IIRC), but 2.0.1
brings up the list in alphabetical order.  Is there any way to get the
most recently used addresses at the top of the lists?


Agreed!!!
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Re: History search function

[Martin Freitag]

jim schrieb:

Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
history search function.

I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
though the text fragment was not in the URL.

It apparently searched its cache files.

That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.


I don't think that this is a feature of IE itself, I guess it's in 
addition when having installed "windows search" as computers which don't 
have that installed suggest to install it below the url-bar when typing 
to improve the results. The browser doesn't index the files.

regards

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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/9/2010 8:13 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> Press F7 to go into caret browsing mode. Use the keyboard cursor keys to
> move it to where you want to start, highlight the text you want to copy,
> CTRL-C, and Bob's your Uncle.
> 
> Phil
> 

Thanks, Phil. That's a new one on me! Works like a charm :)
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History search function

[jim]

Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
history search function.

I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
though the text fragment was not in the URL.

It apparently searched its cache files.

That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.

jim
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:02:59 +0100, /Ray_Net/:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>
>> Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
>> the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?
>
> I hate automatic updates.

Just because updates have been automated doesn't mean you need to
let them go automatically - I never do, but I get immediate feedback
for available updates when I request them and could choose to
install them.  There's no need to perform other tedious system
maintenance stuff.

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2 Noticed features in SM -- possibly documented (somewhere)

[jim]

In the email client --

If you wish to reply to only part of an email, swipe it with the mouse
(select it) and hit reply.

Only the selected portion is transferred (quoted) to the composition
window.

In the email client --

Images on the clipboard can be inserted into email composition.
(I use ctrl-v)
very useful for screen shots made with printscreen and window shots made
with alt-printscreen

YMMVDOYC 

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Ray_Net]

Jesse Molina wrote:


I did this.  I tried it for 90 days.  I tried real hard.  But, I 
switched back to Seamonkey and I don't plan on trying to go back to 
FF/TB any time soon.


The first reason was simple utility.  Seamonkey is built for people who 
are experienced at using the Internet and don't need their hand held.  I 
was frustrated with many of the Firefox/Thunderbird "features" that have 
all the utility of Microsoft's Clippy.


Many of the useful new features that Firefox has, Seamonkey 2.0 now has 
anyway.  Session restorations was one that I appreciate greatly.


Another reason was, believe it or not, stability.  Firefox 3.5 crashes a 
lot (GNU/Linux user here), and I experienced a large number of bugs that 
really annoyed me.  Google the subject and you will find many many 
complaints.


Thunderbird was okay.  I was annoyed by the way attachments were 
displayed, and plenty of window real-estate was wasted by goofy UI 
design stuff, but it worked.


My real trouble was Firefox.  Believe it or not, some pages that worked 
with Seamonkey didn't work or worked badly with Firefox.  Wellsfargo.com 
banking is one that I can specifically remember as having trouble. Other 
preference issues and annoyances just made it a huge pain.  It wasn't 
worth it to be treated like I had the Internet savvy of a newb or 
80-year-old grandmother by Firefux.


Some of the bugs in Seamonkey 2.0 mail have me down, but I'm aware of 
the issues and causes there.  They will get resolved.  Mostly issues 
with searching folders and some goofy cache issues.  Very minor stuff.


You're experience may be different.  Good luck to you.


Thank for this experience .. so i would probably first experiment SM 2.0.2
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Ray_Net]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.
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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[Robert Kaiser]

Daniel schrieb:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US;
rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Note the x86_64...


That's a 32bit build (i686) running on a 64bit (x86_64) machine.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Robert Kaiser]

Devils_Advocate schrieb:

Is SM a dying product that I should just quit using already?


SeaMonkey 2.x is well-alive and should work well with most websites out 
there, I very rarely have any problems.


SeaMonkey 1.x is mostly dead though and if you are still using those 
versions, you probably should switch to 2.0 soon.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Robert Kaiser]

Jesse Molina schrieb:

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user. I'm very frustrated
that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.

I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible apps,
but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey at all.


Some do, some do not, unfortunately. We'll be trying to get in contact 
with the add-ons community even more to encourage them to make their 
work available for SeaMonkey as well, but even though we have probably 
about a million users, we naturally are standing in the shadow of the 
mass-market Firefox with its 200-300 million users.


Still, with SeaMonkey 2, it's much easier to get Firefox add-ons to work 
with SeaMonkey, and we hope more and more add-ons will do that.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Robert Kaiser]

Philip Chee schrieb:

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010.


Not true, the plan was to come to a more rapid, ideally roughly 6-month 
release cycle so that updates to newer releases means fewer changes for 
users and so an easier upgrade path. And I still think this is the right 
way to go, but we are somewhat dependent on the rease cycles of the 
platform, as we'd like to sync up with platform releases more in the future.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Robert Kaiser]

Ray_Net schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

YMMV, but in any case, if we would not have moved to it, SeaMonkey
would be dead by now.


Why ?


Because our team would be unable to maintain the whole Mozilla code for 
the Gecko 1.8.1 branch, and in terms of website support as well as 
features like crash recovery and others, SeaMonkey 1.1.x started to 
badly suck compared to other products out there. We would have lost 
users rapidly (actually we have been losing quite a few already) and 
would have gained zero new ones. Unmaintainable code and decreasing user 
number mean death of the project, while what we want is an ability to 
gain new users and not only maintain the code but even improve it and 
develop new capabilites.



You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


The switch to 2.1 will be much less painful than the one from the 
half-dead 1.x to the well-alive 2.0.x branch.


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Email Address Autocompletion

[nr]

Using 2.0.1.  When entering an email address in the To: box, after
entering a few characters, prior versions of SeaMonkey would have the
most recently used address at the top of the list (IIRC), but 2.0.1
brings up the list in alphabetical order.  Is there any way to get the
most recently used addresses at the top of the lists?
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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

[Martin Freitag]

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server "home" page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:

Revisiting this... regarding the lack of 64bit build on linux.


Decent Linux distributions offer them, no need for us to do so.


Why is it that the 'nightly' builds of SeaMonkey generally include a
64bit build, but the final releases do not?


Because we do have too little build power to do release builds as well, 
we only have one signle machine for 64bit.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Martin Freitag]

Philip Chee schrieb:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.


Is that "bad"? (e.g. that SM2.1 will be based on gecko 1.9.2)
I guess (as a non-developer), the biggest change was the one from the 
old SM to the new toolkit stuff and won't cause severe changes while 
"living" in Gecko 1.9.x, especially not for the users. (like: oh, we 
have to abandon form-manager and half of the SM users crying, etc.)

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[John Doue]

On 1/10/2010 12:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?

Yes, provided the update does not make incompatible extensions you are 
not prepared to do without ... Some extensions' author may have trouble 
updating as fast as the main product does. A point to consider and an 
important one, given the pivotal role customizing plays in the 
popularity of those products.


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Martin Freitag]

Jesse Molina schrieb:


Here is a real-word-right-now example of incompatibility with Seamonkey.

Earlier today I tried to sell an item on eBay but they use some goofy
Javascript that doesn't work with Seamonkey. As a result, I am unable to
add pictures to the listing, or save the listing as a template for later
use.

Sites that are not compatible with Seamonkey are rare, but make me sad
none the less.

I tried switching from Seamonkey to Firefux+Thunderturd about six months
ago, and switched back after trying to deal with it for 90 days.
Couldn't stand the stupid-user-izms.

That said, I have no plans of giving up Seamonkey any time soon. Though
a combination of work and home, I use Seamonkey on GNU/Linux, OS X, and
Windows on a daily basis.


I'd recommend installing prefbar extension and have the user agent 
switcher available with that. As SM2.x uses the same modern gecko-engine 
as FF, it should be able to circumvent such this by temporarily telling 
"I'm Firefox".

regards

Martin

PS: When you see such sites throw the following website at them ;-)
http://geckoisgecko.org/

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Jesse Molina]

I did this.  I tried it for 90 days.  I tried real hard.  But, I 
switched back to Seamonkey and I don't plan on trying to go back to 
FF/TB any time soon.


The first reason was simple utility.  Seamonkey is built for people who 
are experienced at using the Internet and don't need their hand held.  I 
was frustrated with many of the Firefox/Thunderbird "features" that have 
all the utility of Microsoft's Clippy.


Many of the useful new features that Firefox has, Seamonkey 2.0 now has 
anyway.  Session restorations was one that I appreciate greatly.


Another reason was, believe it or not, stability.  Firefox 3.5 crashes a 
lot (GNU/Linux user here), and I experienced a large number of bugs that 
really annoyed me.  Google the subject and you will find many many 
complaints.


Thunderbird was okay.  I was annoyed by the way attachments were 
displayed, and plenty of window real-estate was wasted by goofy UI 
design stuff, but it worked.


My real trouble was Firefox.  Believe it or not, some pages that worked 
with Seamonkey didn't work or worked badly with Firefox.  Wellsfargo.com 
banking is one that I can specifically remember as having trouble. 
Other preference issues and annoyances just made it a huge pain.  It 
wasn't worth it to be treated like I had the Internet savvy of a newb or 
80-year-old grandmother by Firefux.


Some of the bugs in Seamonkey 2.0 mail have me down, but I'm aware of 
the issues and causes there.  They will get resolved.  Mostly issues 
with searching folders and some goofy cache issues.  Very minor stuff.


You're experience may be different.  Good luck to you.



Ray_Net wrote:



Reading so many complains against SM2 that i will finally come to a
situation where i should leave SM to FF and TB...


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[BeeNeR]

On or about 1/10/2010 2:10 AM, NoOp typed the following:
> On 01/09/2010 07:03 PM, BeeNeR wrote:
> ..
>> Hmm - only getting the top line - rest of the page is blank (or white on
> 
> And are do you have cookies turned on?
> 
> The site has nothing to do with browser sniffing etc. It works just fine
> in SeaMonkey (1.1.18, 2.0.1, 2.0.3pre etc). But it will not display the
> remainder of the site if you do not have cookies turned on. Capiche?

Cookies 'on' for originating site only.  Guess that's the reason, not
problem.

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

> Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
> change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
> the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
> to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Arne]

JAS wrote:

Jesse Molina wrote:


Hi!

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user.  I'm very
frustrated that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.

I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible
apps, but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey
at all.

What is the status on this situation?  Can anyone point to
conversations, bugs, and other topics on the issue of Add-on
incompatibility that I might be able to read into?




http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=500361&start=1335



Don't know what specific addons are wanted by the OP, but
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/
should cover most (if not all) addons you can use on SeaMonkey, and 
they are many.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

[Ray_Net]

Jesse Molina wrote:


Hi!

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user.  I'm very frustrated 
that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.


I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible apps, 
but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey at all.


What is the status on this situation?  Can anyone point to 
conversations, bugs, and other topics on the issue of Add-on 
incompatibility that I might be able to read into?




Reading so many complains against SM2 that i will finally come to a 
situation where i should leave SM to FF and TB...

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

[Ray_Net]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:


YMMV, but in any case, if we would not 
have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now.



Why ?


The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long
time ago. Only security and stability patches were then backported to
that branch, not by Mozilla but by Linux distributors with long lived
branches, but even that source of bug fixes seem to have dried up in the
middle of 2009. Without a SeaMonkey 2.0 to migrate our users to.
SeaMonkey would have died on the wine before the end of 2009.

That's why the original plan to release SeaMonkey 2.0 in sync with
Thunderbird 3.0 became fatal when Mozilla Messaging kept pushing back
their release schedules, and pushing and pushing, until January 2010. So
we took the decision to release SeaMonkey 2.0 at around Thunderbird
3.0b4 with the risk of a slightly unstable mailnews backend. But as the
alternative was to let SeaMonkey die it wasn't really a choice.


You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.

Phil

Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and 
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling 
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer 
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

[Ray_Net]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:44:31 -0200, MCBastos wrote:


Oh crap, turns out that there IS an even easier way...


Chortle!


Philip Chee has made available a version of Folderpane Tools that will
install directly on Seamonkey with no need of disabling compatibility
check or anything.

It's here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#folderpanetools


1. http://www.google.com
2. Search for: seamonkey folder pane tools
3. Pick the third link. The first link will also eventually lead you to
my webpage but you'd have to scroll down through all the messages in
that thread.

Phil


Phil, it's better to give the url instead of speaking about Google

My test using google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=seamonkey+folder+pane+tools
give me as the first link this page
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1519805
Which, i think, is not your webpage :-)
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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

[Ray_Net]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 9/1/2010 18:57, OldTimer told the world:

The install instruction at the download site (www.chuonthis.com)stated 
to save the file to [SeaMonkey] but I don't know which file to use.


1) c:\Documents & Settings\sony\Application Data\Mozilla\Seamonkey ? 
(There's also an "extension" subfolder in Mozilla).


2) c:\program Files\Mozilla.org\SeaMonkey ?

For the time being I've placed the download file (folderpane.xpi) on my 
desktop.


The install instructions are to open Tools and select "Extensions" and 
click Install button.  The Tools menu in either SM folder (above) 
doesn't have "Extensions, but does have "Add-on Manager".  However when 
I click on "Add-on Manager" there's no folderpane extension listed.


And I thought I was doing so well getting it downloaded to my PC.
Can you take me through the next steps?


Oh, you are almost there. You already have the folderpane.xpi file, and
you already know where the Add-On Manager is.
Now:
- Open the Add-On Manager.
- Click on the second icon (Extensions) -- the one that looks like a
green jigsaw puzzle piece.
- Click on the "Install" button on the lower left.
- Select the folderpane.xpi file from where you saved it (apparently
your desktop) and open it.

There you go!

Is it still possible using SM2 WebBrowser part to open the 
folderpane.xpi file ?

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Re: Is SM a dying product?

[Daniel]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffM   wrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.





26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors

I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
text
"English | United States[ Change ]"
in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.



By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the
same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6.



Oops!  It is a sniffing problem.  I get a "To enter portal, click here"
line (with a link) when I spoof IE 7.  Selecting that link gives me the
FAQ.



David, NoOp has suggested this site needs cookies turned on. I have my 
cookies set for sessional cookies and this site WFM!

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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

[Hartmut Figge]

Philip Chee:

[http://i.am.a.link]

>Press F7 to go into caret browsing mode. Use the keyboard cursor keys to
>move it to where you want to start,

OK until here, but then ...

>highlight the text you want to copy,

... how? No luck with my SM 2.1 to highlight only the 'am'. With the
mouse. Another way to select i don't know of? Hm.

Ah. Shift + Cursor-right. :)

>CTRL-C,

Not necessary. It's already done with highlighting. Now a middle-mouse
click to insert. I'm on Linux.

>and Bob's your Uncle.

Understandable from the context. At least i hope so. *g*

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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

[Daniel]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/9/2010 10:04 AM, jim wrote:


If I read you right, sure you can.  But beware,  it takes two mouseclicks!

Click on the link and the whole link is selected.
Click again and the entire link is unselected, but any portion can now be
swiped with the mouse and selected for copy.


jim


Huh? When I click on a link, it opens a new browser window.


Same with me, Mark, and by the time I've switched back to the 
main/newsgroup screen to give a second click, it's as though I've just 
given a second single click.


Now, if the browser page could be opening in the back ground..!
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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 11/19/2009 07:07 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Subject: says it all. :)
I did read here that SM 2.0 will supposedly work on Win 7
as a 32bit application. But I am asking specifically,
about any version built for 64 bits on a cpu like the
Intel core i7 920. Because that's what I'm hoping to
upgrade to.
As a secondary question, How about any 64 bit Linux
distributions?


Revisiting this... regarding the lack of 64bit build on linux.
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey is added, but follow-ups set to
mozilla.support.seamonkey as I think it's time that the issue be
debated/discussed.

Why is it that the 'nightly' builds of SeaMonkey generally include a
64bit build, but the final releases do not?

Examples:

[seamonkey-2.1a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2]

[seamonkey-2.0.2pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2  04-Jan-2010 02:13   14M]
[seamonkey-2.0.3pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2  09-Jan-2010 00:53   14M]

Yet:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/
  http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/


only offers this:
seamonkey-2.0.1.tar.bz2 06-Dec-2009 11:2213M

In the past the devs (Kairo primarily) have mumbled statements to the
effect that 64bit SeaMonkey releases aren't available and require
contributor builds. Why is this, they are available in the nightlies etc?

Here's a key example of why such builds are necessary; I load up a new
64bit laptop with linux. I load the standard seamonkey-2.0.1.tar.bz2 and
no, *zero*, *none* plugins are available on the system. However, if I
load the seamonkey-2.0.3pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 on the exact same
system without making any changes to the ~/.mozilla folder, most of the
plugins fire right up - including a 32bit flash plugin that works in
Firefox. 64bit flash&  java issues are for another post.

So here is the question for the devs&  primarily for Kairo: why is it
that the 64bit linux builds are *always* available in the nightlies, but
never on the final releases?





What gives you the idea that 64 bit files are not available as normal 
releases:-


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; 
rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1


Note the x86_64.now don't ask me where I got it from, a quick look 
at the SeaMonkey page does not give a specific 64 bit downloadWas it 
in KaiRo's post announcing the Release of SM 2.0.0 then upgraded to SM 
2.0.1??


Daniel

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Seasons greeting, one and all

and may next year be a better one!

Daniel
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