Re: PDF Not Displaying

[cyberzen]

Cecil Bankston a écrit :

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens
with
the name of the file but the tab is blank. Previously such PDF files
would open normally in the browser. It made no difference whether I
had
Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.


SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

No problem.

If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not
middle-click
to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab. For a
short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
(black frame with blue progress). When the document is open and
displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window;
this
is easily and quickly dismissed.

I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you
SeaMonkey
preferences.


Using the same OS and SeaMonkey& Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
blank tab. I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
relevant. SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader. PDF
attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
produce a blank tab.


What about Adobe Reader (not SeaMonkey) preferences?

Open Adobe Reader. You do not need a PDF file open; just launch the
Reader itself. On the Reader menu bar (not SeaMonkey), go to [Edit>
Preferences]. On Adobe's Preferences window, along the left side under
Categories, select Internet. Are the first two checkboxes checked?
Have you set the correct "Connection speed"?


Without having made any changes, one PDF did display normally in the
browser today, though another that was an e-mail attachment gave the
same blank tab. The Adobe preferences Internet checkboxes were checked.
I did adjust the connection speed to account for my cable connection,
though I doubt that was relevant to the problem. I have had NoScript
installed long before the PDF problem appeared, but might its new
version be causing the problem? Are those who are having a similar
problem also using NoScript?


have you considered the details of the mail attachment by typing (control U)
for example
--=_NextPart_000_0025_01CC329E.71404240
Content-Type: application/pdf;
name="Format A4286A.pdf"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="Format A4286A.pdf"

in this example the pdf shows correctly
maybe something is wrong in helpers prefernces, or in the mail 
attachment encoding

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Re: Bookmarks?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 25/06/2011 01:05, Craig told the world:

> And no, I don't want to use Sync and put my bookmark information on 
> someone else's computer.

Well, you can run your own Sync server if you want to. The software is
free, after all.

But really, the bookmarks are encrypted *before they leave your
computer.* The Mozilla people (or whoever is running the server, if you
don't want to use the Mozilla server) have no way to peek into your
bookmarks.

Sync adds other benefits. You can sync bookmarks with Firefox and Mobile
Firefox, too, not just Seamonkey. I like having my bookmarks available
on my Android phone. There's also an iPhone app to have the bookmarks on
an iPhone (despite Apple not allowing Firefox on the iPhone, the app
does only the syncing part, using the built-in Safari for actual browsing).

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

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Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2011 16:58, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj told the world:


> As I understand what Justin Wood (Callek) wrote,
> it is that the distributed SM 2.2 will have _all_ the extensions
> included and, the installer will install them automatically.
> That means that, a non-expert/casual SM user who goes to the SM site,
> or is notified about the update, and downloads the update with the
> included installer will automatically install all the extensions.
> 
> Being a non-expert (which I will guess doesn't apply to you  :) )
> this user will not know which/what are the extensions, nor be familiar
> with the Add-ons Manager. (All these technical features of SM,
> are not exactly well documented.)
> This is the reason that I made my comment.
> 
> SM needs a full fledged manual.

I don't think it's really that much of a problem.

I mean, what's the *damage* to the user in leaving the DOM Inspector and
the Javascript Debugger installed? Most newbies will never notice them.

The kind of user who will notice them is also the one slightly more
computer-savvy, who pokes around the program to find what it can do. And
one of the first things these users are likely to find and mess with is
exactly the add-on manager -- add-ons are a big draw to the Mozilla
platform, after all. So if she figures that she doesn't need those
add-ons, she can uninstall them.

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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

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Interviewed by CNN on 24/06/2011 08:07, No told the world:
> Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2) 
> different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my 
> SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or 
> tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?

Yahoo does not seem to be really committed to giving good POP access to
their mailboxes. In lots of markets, it's still a "premium" feature
available only to paying subscribers. And even for those, I hear
complaints...

OTOH, they quietly opened free IMAP access to, well, everybody. I guess
they didn't have much choice, if they wanted to stay relevant in the new
smartphone-and-tablet era -- webmail is not exactly convenient in touch
devices.

By the way, mail.com also allows imap access nowadays. I guess the
policy change came after they changed owners (again...), but the
reasoning is probably the same as for Yahoo: it's imap or die. Gmail
already has an unfair advantage in Android devices, you can't let the
gap get wider...

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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

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Interviewed by CNN on 23/06/2011 21:56, WLS told the world:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Ray_Net schrieb:
 But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...
>>>
>>> A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
>>> all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.
>>>
>> Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for
>> backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so
>> often ?
> 
> "Mozilla plans to switch to more frequent Firefox releases in order to 
> provide frequent improvements to users, without disrupting longer term 
> work."
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease#Overview


Let me elaborate a little...

Think it this way: the traditional development model is like writing a
book -- you take your time, do your research, assemble all the elements
and attempt to launch a coherent package. It's done when it's done. Each
major version will make bring all the changes together.

The Chrome-style rapid development is more like publishing a magazine,
or a newspaper. You have regular release dates, and you go "do we have
anything for this release?" If a feature is stable enough, you release
it, even if it would still benefit from more tinkering. Next release,
you improve it. So the feature launches are kinda staggered, instead of
being released all at once.

The rapid-release train essentially does away with the distinction
between major and minor versions (it's somewhat in the middle), and
reduces the importance of maintenance releases (Chrome does do bugfix
releases, but the new major version arrives pretty soon, so many people
don't even notice the maintenance releases).

The good thing about the rapid-release train is that the features that
are ready are released to the users sooner, since they don't have to
wait for other features.

The bad thing...? Well, the system doesn't lend itself well for major
reworkings. It would be impossible to do Seamonkey 2 in a rapid-release
train, I think -- for a long time, Seamonkey would be unusable, because
the XPFE features no longer worked and the Toolkit replacements weren't
ready. I think the Firefox people did right by waiting for Firefox 4
(which was a major redesign of the UI, and some of the innards) before
switching to rapid-release.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:58:02 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

> SM needs a full fledged manual.

Thunderbird is crowsourcing a manual. Looks quite impressive.

http://blogs.mozillamessaging.com/docs/2010/12/08/thunderbird-floss-manual-done/
http://en.flossmanuals.net/thunderbird/
http://en.flossmanuals.net/firefox/

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/25/2011 12:20 AM, Lee wrote:

On 6/24/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:

On 6/24/2011 11:31 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 6/23/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:

I just wanted to make you all aware of a user-facing change I am being
forced to make for SeaMonkey 2.2

The idea is I'd either not make it, or risk keeping users exposed to
security risks far longer than should be the case.

Bug 666518 (PLEASE respond only here unless you are helping to FIX the
bug, advocacy will be fine in newsgroups/e-mail but not bug, thank you)

I will be removing the Windows Installers' ability to selectively
install extensions.

The codepaths that make the packaging of the installer able to support
this feature are very complex, and apparantly quite easy to break. While
removing the ability entirely (user facing anyway) is as simple as
dropping one variable in a makefile we control.

I do have ideas on how I can restore the basic functionality offered by
this installer feature, but it won't be until 2.5 at the earliest I can
get that working, and I have no guarantees as I have not looked deeply
into it yet. But I feel that my efforts to support a very complex system
here which HAVE to coexist with the Firefox systems and are only growing
in complexity as of late, are better spent supporting other aspects of
SeaMonkey and doing bug fixing/stability/releng on a wider scale.

After reading that bug, if you have any
comments/complaints/show-of-support or suggestions, please feel free to
state them here.


show-of-support: thank you for continuing to work on SeaMonkey

After looking at the bug report I'm no closer to understanding what
the security risks are, but if all it means is I have to do another
step or three to uninstall extensions that I don't want vs. some
security issue.. I think you made the right decision.

Thanks again,
Lee


As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can
uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).



During the install process of 2.2 you now get "all of SeaMonkey" whereas
unless you did "CUSTOM" before you got the same thing as we do now.

Supporting CUSTOM selection of the addons we ship with is not easily
possible anymore [without much more time investment than I feel
comfortable with], and is why I removed that, you are still able to
change all other custom options, and you are still able to
disable/uninstall extensions on a per-profile basis like in 2.1.

I have absolutely no plans to mention this explicitly in the installer,
as the basics are meant to "just work".


Some mention of the change in the release notes would be nice tho.
Maybe along the lines of



I *certainly* agree mentioning it in release notes is a good idea!


The windows installer no longer supports a "custom" installation.  You
can uninstall the default add-ons, on a per-profile basis, by using
the tools / add-on manager menu.


I'll leave the exact wording here up to Jens though ;-)

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Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

[Craig]

Now that I have gotten my bookmarks situation straightened out, I've run 
into a couple more problems:


1. In going to to some pages, I get a warning bar at the top of the 
window that says, "SeaMonkey prevented this page from automatically 
reloading." I click the Allow button, but after going away, the warning 
bar comes back saying the same thing.


2. In going to other pages, I have gotten a warning bar about 
re-directing. I clicked allow there and it didn't happen again.


I know there must be a setting someplace, but I cannot find it (and I 
even checked the FAQ this time).


Any suggestions?

Thanks,


Craig
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Re: Bookmarks?

[Craig]

WLS wrote:

Craig wrote:

Also from https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks,

The bookmarks.html file is not updated anymore. What can I do?
You can go to about:config and toggle the
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML pref to true. Then bookmarks.html will
be written each time you exit SeaMonkey. Or you can do it manually using
Tools/Export HTML from the Bookmarks Manager.


Craig


Or you could just Backup your bookmarks places.sqlite file using
Bookmarks Manager > Tools > Backup.

I backup to a USB stick after most additions.


Yes, true, but then I could not compare the bookmarks.html files from 
different computers with the shell script that I wrote in May, 2000, and 
have updated since.


And no, I don't want to use Sync and put my bookmark information on 
someone else's computer.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Lee]

On 6/24/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:
> On 6/24/2011 11:31 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> Lee wrote:
>>> On 6/23/11, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
 I just wanted to make you all aware of a user-facing change I am being
 forced to make for SeaMonkey 2.2

 The idea is I'd either not make it, or risk keeping users exposed to
 security risks far longer than should be the case.

 Bug 666518 (PLEASE respond only here unless you are helping to FIX the
 bug, advocacy will be fine in newsgroups/e-mail but not bug, thank you)

 I will be removing the Windows Installers' ability to selectively
 install extensions.

 The codepaths that make the packaging of the installer able to support
 this feature are very complex, and apparantly quite easy to break. While
 removing the ability entirely (user facing anyway) is as simple as
 dropping one variable in a makefile we control.

 I do have ideas on how I can restore the basic functionality offered by
 this installer feature, but it won't be until 2.5 at the earliest I can
 get that working, and I have no guarantees as I have not looked deeply
 into it yet. But I feel that my efforts to support a very complex system
 here which HAVE to coexist with the Firefox systems and are only growing
 in complexity as of late, are better spent supporting other aspects of
 SeaMonkey and doing bug fixing/stability/releng on a wider scale.

 After reading that bug, if you have any
 comments/complaints/show-of-support or suggestions, please feel free to
 state them here.
>>>
>>> show-of-support: thank you for continuing to work on SeaMonkey
>>>
>>> After looking at the bug report I'm no closer to understanding what
>>> the security risks are, but if all it means is I have to do another
>>> step or three to uninstall extensions that I don't want vs. some
>>> security issue.. I think you made the right decision.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Lee
>>
>> As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
>> to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
>> and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can
>> uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).
>>
>
> During the install process of 2.2 you now get "all of SeaMonkey" whereas
> unless you did "CUSTOM" before you got the same thing as we do now.
>
> Supporting CUSTOM selection of the addons we ship with is not easily
> possible anymore [without much more time investment than I feel
> comfortable with], and is why I removed that, you are still able to
> change all other custom options, and you are still able to
> disable/uninstall extensions on a per-profile basis like in 2.1.
>
> I have absolutely no plans to mention this explicitly in the installer,
> as the basics are meant to "just work".

Some mention of the change in the release notes would be nice tho.
Maybe along the lines of

The windows installer no longer supports a "custom" installation.  You
can uninstall the default add-ons, on a per-profile basis, by using
the tools / add-on manager menu.

Regards,
Lee
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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

No wrote:

Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2)
different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my
SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.

Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or
tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?

TIA - Bo1953


I found 
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/thunderbird_has_stopped_getting_yahoo_mail 
which seems like it is not a SeaMonkey issue.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/24/2011 11:31 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 6/23/11, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

I just wanted to make you all aware of a user-facing change I am being
forced to make for SeaMonkey 2.2

The idea is I'd either not make it, or risk keeping users exposed to
security risks far longer than should be the case.

Bug 666518 (PLEASE respond only here unless you are helping to FIX the
bug, advocacy will be fine in newsgroups/e-mail but not bug, thank you)

I will be removing the Windows Installers' ability to selectively
install extensions.

The codepaths that make the packaging of the installer able to support
this feature are very complex, and apparantly quite easy to break. While
removing the ability entirely (user facing anyway) is as simple as
dropping one variable in a makefile we control.

I do have ideas on how I can restore the basic functionality offered by
this installer feature, but it won't be until 2.5 at the earliest I can
get that working, and I have no guarantees as I have not looked deeply
into it yet. But I feel that my efforts to support a very complex system
here which HAVE to coexist with the Firefox systems and are only growing
in complexity as of late, are better spent supporting other aspects of
SeaMonkey and doing bug fixing/stability/releng on a wider scale.

After reading that bug, if you have any
comments/complaints/show-of-support or suggestions, please feel free to
state them here.


show-of-support: thank you for continuing to work on SeaMonkey

After looking at the bug report I'm no closer to understanding what
the security risks are, but if all it means is I have to do another
step or three to uninstall extensions that I don't want vs. some
security issue.. I think you made the right decision.

Thanks again,
Lee


As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can
uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).



During the install process of 2.2 you now get "all of SeaMonkey" whereas 
unless you did "CUSTOM" before you got the same thing as we do now.


Supporting CUSTOM selection of the addons we ship with is not easily 
possible anymore [without much more time investment than I feel 
comfortable with], and is why I removed that, you are still able to 
change all other custom options, and you are still able to 
disable/uninstall extensions on a per-profile basis like in 2.1.


I have absolutely no plans to mention this explicitly in the installer, 
as the basics are meant to "just work".


Of note is the Windows Installer is the ONLY shipping method that ever 
allowed this optional feature. The Windows Zip, linux shippings, and the 
mac .dmg did not have this potential.


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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[David E. Ross]

On 6/24/11 11:10 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
> When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens with
> the name of the file but the tab is blank.  Previously such PDF files
> would open normally in the browser.  It made no difference whether I had
> Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.

 SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

 No problem.

 If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not middle-click
 to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab.  For a
 short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
 (black frame with blue progress).  When the document is open and
 displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window; this
 is easily and quickly dismissed.

 I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you SeaMonkey
 preferences.

>>> Using the same OS and SeaMonkey&  Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
>>> blank tab.  I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
>>> relevant.  SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader.  PDF
>>> attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
>>> produce a blank tab.
>>
>> What about Adobe Reader (not SeaMonkey) preferences?
>>
>> Open Adobe Reader.  You do not need a PDF file open; just launch the
>> Reader itself.  On the Reader menu bar (not SeaMonkey), go to [Edit>
>> Preferences].  On Adobe's Preferences window, along the left side under
>> Categories, select Internet.  Are the first two checkboxes checked?
>> Have you set the correct "Connection speed"?
>>
> Without having made any changes, one PDF did display normally in the 
> browser today, though another that was an e-mail attachment gave the 
> same blank tab.  The Adobe preferences Internet checkboxes were checked. 
>   I did adjust the connection speed to account for my cable connection, 
> though I doubt that was relevant to the problem.  I have had NoScript 
> installed long before the PDF problem appeared, but might its new 
> version be causing the problem?  Are those who are having a similar 
> problem also using NoScript?

I do not have NoScript.  As I indicated before, I do not see this problem.

Why don't you try a test after using Add-ons Manager to disable
NoScript?  After the test, you can then use Add-ons Manager to enable
NoScript without having to re-install it.

Alternatively, terminate SeaMonkey and then re-launch in safe mode.  See
if the problem still exists.  In safe mode, all extensions and themes
are disabled (except for a default theme); but none of your plugins
(including Adobe Reader's nppdf32.dll) are affected.  If you don't see
the problem in safe mode, then the problem is likely caused by an
extension.

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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[Cruz, Jaime]

Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens
with
the name of the file but the tab is blank. Previously such PDF files
would open normally in the browser. It made no difference whether I
had
Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.


SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

No problem.

If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not
middle-click
to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab. For a
short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
(black frame with blue progress). When the document is open and
displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window;
this
is easily and quickly dismissed.

I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you
SeaMonkey
preferences.


Using the same OS and SeaMonkey& Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
blank tab. I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
relevant. SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader. PDF
attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
produce a blank tab.


What about Adobe Reader (not SeaMonkey) preferences?

Open Adobe Reader. You do not need a PDF file open; just launch the
Reader itself. On the Reader menu bar (not SeaMonkey), go to [Edit>
Preferences]. On Adobe's Preferences window, along the left side under
Categories, select Internet. Are the first two checkboxes checked?
Have you set the correct "Connection speed"?


Without having made any changes, one PDF did display normally in the
browser today, though another that was an e-mail attachment gave the
same blank tab. The Adobe preferences Internet checkboxes were checked.
I did adjust the connection speed to account for my cable connection,
though I doubt that was relevant to the problem. I have had NoScript
installed long before the PDF problem appeared, but might its new
version be causing the problem? Are those who are having a similar
problem also using NoScript?


I can confirm that I am seeing the problem, and I do not have the 
NoScript extension installed.


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Re: Bookmarks?

[WLS]

Craig wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Craig wrote:

For years I have been used to having bookmarks.html be the file where my
bookmarks are kept, but in Seamonkey 2.1, it's apparently been changed.

How do bookmarks work now?


They are stored in a file called places.sqlite, which is a database that
also keeps your browsing history.


Aha!



Why was it changed?


From :

What are the benefits of Places-based bookmarks?
Bookmarks are stored in a database now, together with your browsing
history. This allows for better integration (Sync, the Location Bar and
add-ons), automatic backups and the possibility to restore them, saving
favicons with your bookmarks, and the ability to define tags.

HTH


It does, thanks.

Also from https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks,

The bookmarks.html file is not updated anymore. What can I do?
You can go to about:config and toggle the
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML pref to true. Then bookmarks.html will
be written each time you exit SeaMonkey. Or you can do it manually using
Tools/Export HTML from the Bookmarks Manager.


Craig


Or you could just Backup your bookmarks places.sqlite file using 
Bookmarks Manager > Tools > Backup.


I backup to a USB stick after most additions.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

As I understand what Justin Wood (Callek) wrote, it is that the
distributed SM 2.2 will have _all_ the extensions included and, the
installer will install them automatically. That means that, a
non-expert/casual SM user who goes to the SM site, or is notified
about the update, and downloads the update with the included
installer will automatically install all the extensions.


Correct.


Being a non-expert (which I will guess doesn't apply to you :) ) this
user will not know which/what are the extensions, nor be familiar
with the Add-ons Manager.


You may be right with respect to the extensions that will suddenly be
installed for some users.

I certainly hope however that people know by now what the Add-ons
Manager is and what you can do with it, given that it has been an
integral part of the suite since version 2.0.


(All these technical features of SM, are not exactly well
documented.) This is the reason that I made my comment.


Valid point.


SM needs a full fledged manual.


O'Really?


Well O'Really doesn't have a current book about Firefox/Thunderbird,
though I seem to remember that they did have one about Netscape around
Netscape v3 or v4. They also have a book about the VI family of editors:
VI, VIM, NVI, ELVIS which concentrates on VIM. But their latest edition
of that is about VIM V6 whereas the current verison of VIM is 7.3 and
that has been out for about one year, and the VIM versions, releases, 
don't come out that often.

So what could one expect for SM (&/| Foxfire/Thunderbird), especially
since these are switching frequent upgrades.
Perhaps the SM community should consider switching to a loose leaf,
page updateable, manual, sort of like the old fashioned SRL publications
from IBM.
Personally, I am not a FAQ fan.


We all know that, and while the in-app Help is far less complete than we
wished, I'm personally trying to somewhat remedy the situation by
providing prompt updates to the Known Issues (and Release Notes in
general) as well as initially starting and (still) maintaining the 2.1
FAQ page.

Greetings,

Jens



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Re: Bookmarks?

[Craig]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Craig wrote:

For years I have been used to having bookmarks.html be the file where my
bookmarks are kept, but in Seamonkey 2.1, it's apparently been changed.

How do bookmarks work now?


They are stored in a file called places.sqlite, which is a database that
also keeps your browsing history.


Aha!



Why was it changed?


 From :

What are the benefits of Places-based bookmarks?
Bookmarks are stored in a database now, together with your browsing
history. This allows for better integration (Sync, the Location Bar and
add-ons), automatic backups and the possibility to restore them, saving
favicons with your bookmarks, and the ability to define tags.

HTH


It does, thanks.

Also from https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks,

The bookmarks.html file is not updated anymore. What can I do?
You can go to about:config and toggle the 
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML pref to true. Then bookmarks.html will 
be written each time you exit SeaMonkey. Or you can do it manually using 
Tools/Export HTML from the Bookmarks Manager.



Craig
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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

[NoOp]

On 06/24/2011 12:03 PM, No wrote:
> cyberzen wrote:
>> No a écrit :
>>> Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2)
>>> different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my
>>> SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or
>>> tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?
>>>
>>> TIA - Bo1953
>>
>> no prob here
>> imap.mail.yahoo.com
>>
> 
> cyberzen - Thank you for your response. My access is through pop mail.

As is mine. cybezen is correct:
imap.mail.yahoo.com
port ssl/tls 993 Normal Password

Outgoing server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com
port 465

But...
Sending of message failed.
The message could not be sent because the connection to SMTP server
smtp.mail.yahoo.com timed out. Try again or contact your network
administrator.

Tried again & it finally got sent.

However I can't recieve now via imap.mail.yahoo.com (although I see a
test msg that I sent in the Yahoo! web mail interface.

Reset to original Encrypted Password & let it error out & then reset to
993 Normal Password & now the email is downloaded.

Odd. But it seems to be working now.
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Rick Merrill]

Ray_Net wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it
provides a concise list from which to launch or access the files.


ok, but it would be very handy if you can use it to re-download it
again, i case when you change your mind, just after deleting the
downloaded file.


But that often, but not always, requires authorization at/by the web site
from which the download was made.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Jens Hatlak]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

As I understand what Justin Wood (Callek) wrote, it is that the
distributed SM 2.2 will have _all_ the extensions included and, the
installer will install them automatically. That means that, a
non-expert/casual SM user who goes to the SM site, or is notified
about the update, and downloads the update with the included
installer will automatically install all the extensions.


Correct.


Being a non-expert (which I will guess doesn't apply to you :) ) this
user will not know which/what are the extensions, nor be familiar
with the Add-ons Manager.


You may be right with respect to the extensions that will suddenly be 
installed for some users.


I certainly hope however that people know by now what the Add-ons 
Manager is and what you can do with it, given that it has been an 
integral part of the suite since version 2.0.



(All these technical features of SM, are not exactly well
documented.) This is the reason that I made my comment.


Valid point.


SM needs a full fledged manual.


O'Really?

We all know that, and while the in-app Help is far less complete than we 
wished, I'm personally trying to somewhat remedy the situation by 
providing prompt updates to the Known Issues (and Release Notes in 
general) as well as initially starting and (still) maintaining the 2.1 
FAQ page.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Bookmarks?

[Jens Hatlak]

Craig wrote:

For years I have been used to having bookmarks.html be the file where my
bookmarks are kept, but in Seamonkey 2.1, it's apparently been changed.

How do bookmarks work now?


They are stored in a file called places.sqlite, which is a database that 
also keeps your browsing history.



Why was it changed?


From :

What are the benefits of Places-based bookmarks?
Bookmarks are stored in a database now, together with your browsing 
history. This allows for better integration (Sync, the Location Bar and 
add-ons), automatic backups and the possibility to restore them, saving 
favicons with your bookmarks, and the ability to define tags.


HTH

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Bookmarks?

[Craig]

For years I have been used to having bookmarks.html be the file where my 
bookmarks are kept, but in Seamonkey 2.1, it's apparently been changed.


How do bookmarks work now?

Why was it changed?

Thanks,


Craig
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

Mike wrote:

Didn't have time to read in detail every reply, so I apologize if this is off
topic or fixed. If you want remote images to appear in email, i.e. images that
are linked in the email and hosted on remote servers, you need to open the
address book and edit the properties of the sender. In there is a check box for
allow remote content. This will make the change for that address only. This is
really what you want. Allowing remote images to load as a blanket statement is
only inviting more spam as they will be able to verify what email addresses are
getting the spam when those images load using the specially crafted unique URL's
in each email.



Is this something new in SM 2.n? -- I don't remember seeing it in earlier 
versions.

I've changed this setting for the 4--5 senders of emails that I've been having 
trouble with. It doesn't make any immediate change in viewing existing emails, 
but maybe it will make a difference when new ones come in.


Thanks for this tip, it may be just what I've been looking for!


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Re: Advertise Firefox compatibility [and incompatible extension]

[sean nathan bean]

JeffM wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Advertising Firefox compatibility
only helps to get dumb browser-sniffing webpages to load correctly.


I call those "Web pages constructed by idiots"
but you're a more kind and gentle soul than I am.


Extension compatibility is an entirely different subject.


I'm a one-step-at-a-time kind of guy.
The OP *could* have **downloaded** the XPI
(I'm ASSuMEing; I didn't go to the page[1])
then **installed** the extension from his own HDD.

At that point the website is out of the picture
and the failure mode becomes more obvious.
I recommed this technique for those having problems.
DO right-click and **download** when the option is available.
.
.
[1] ...and if the actual link to the downloadable file *wasn't*
available
and was instead buried behind scripting,
THAT would be the kind of thing that gives me a rash.


i have lots of lotion for the rash...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fb-purity-cleans-up-facebook/contribute/roadblock/?src=browse&version=4.5.2

don't see anyplace to download the .xpi

sean


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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

S. Beaulieu wrote:

Bill Spikowski a écrit :


I can't figure out why moving the stored emails should create this odd
problem, but that's apparently where the problem comes in




Details aren't quite clear on my end, but I remember image settings being
defined individually for each email address. I don't have time to look into this
right now, but hopefully, it will give you a lead or spark an idea in someone's
mind so they can shed some light on this.



I've changed this setting for the 4--5 senders of emails that I've been having 
trouble with. It doesn't make any immediate change in viewing existing emails, 
but maybe it will make a difference when new ones come in!




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Re: Advertise Firefox compatibility:

[sean nathan bean]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/22/11 10:19 AM, sean nathan bean wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 22/06/2011 01:36, sean nathan bean told the world:

wondering how this will work to get http://www.fbpurity.com/ working in
seamonkey...


Not at all. Advertising Firefox compatibility only helps to get dumb
browser-sniffing webpages to load correctly. Extension compatibility is
an entirely different subject.


t'was afraid of that.. nightly tester tools works differently now...
allowed installation of jslib and tagzilla, but not quote colors
norfbpurity...

oh well... any pointers on addon/extension compatibility?

sean



For extensions (XPI files), see my reply earlier today in this newsgroup
under the subject "Can't download to install SM2.0 extensions on a
clean/new installed SM2.1?"  Note that this will not always work because
some XPI files resist editing.

I believe the compatibility of plugins (DLL files) rests primarily with
the version of your operating system and only slightly with the version
of your browser.  I would be surprised if many plugins even check the
version of your browser.  However, they often do check the brand (e.g.,
IE, Chome, Firefox, SeaMonkey).

The difference arises from the fact that Add-ons Manager -- a component
of Firefox, SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, etc -- handles the installation of
extensions while your operating system handles the installation of
plugins.



i'm working primarily in linux these days, as my laptop is resisting any 
reclamation of its WinXP MCE partition...


again, pointers are very much appreciated...

sean


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can
uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).


I'm not using the installer so I cannot tell whether it will make it
clear what will be installed, but I don't think any notice is needed for
how to remove extensions (now better known as add-ons). You just go to
the Add-ons Manager and deactivate or remove whatever you want. There
should be no non-removable add-ons anymore since at least the bundled
ones are installed into the profile now (where the user has full control
and access).

HTH

Jens


Jens
As I understand what Justin Wood (Callek) wrote,
it is that the distributed SM 2.2 will have _all_ the extensions
included and, the installer will install them automatically.
That means that, a non-expert/casual SM user who goes to the SM site,
or is notified about the update, and downloads the update with the
included installer will automatically install all the extensions.

Being a non-expert (which I will guess doesn't apply to you  :) )
this user will not know which/what are the extensions, nor be familiar
with the Add-ons Manager. (All these technical features of SM,
are not exactly well documented.)
This is the reason that I made my comment.

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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[S. Beaulieu]

Bill Spikowski a écrit :


I can't figure out why moving the stored emails should create this odd
problem, but that's apparently where the problem comes in




Details aren't quite clear on my end, but I remember image settings 
being defined individually for each email address. I don't have time to 
look into this right now, but hopefully, it will give you a lead or 
spark an idea in someone's mind so they can shed some light on this.


S.
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Mike]

Didn't have time to read in detail every reply, so I apologize if this 
is off topic or fixed. If you want remote images to appear in email, 
i.e. images that are linked in the email and hosted on remote servers, 
you need to open the address book and edit the properties of the sender. 
In there is a check box for allow remote content. This will make the 
change for that address only. This is really what you want. Allowing 
remote images to load as a blanket statement is only inviting more spam 
as they will be able to verify what email addresses are getting the spam 
when those images load using the specially crafted unique URL's in each 
email.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it
provides a concise list from which to launch or access the files.

ok, but it would be very handy if you can use it to re-download it 
again, i case when you change your mind, just after deleting the 
downloaded file.

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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

JD wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really
well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy& Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML
versions? If
you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display
messages that
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is?
Maybe that's
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs.
HTML, but
not incoming.

I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full
HTML
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming
emails, many
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline
thumbnail
graphics that eBay uses.



While in Mail, click View>Message Body As>Original HTML. If that is
already
selected, then I can't help.



Yes, that's already selected -- changing it to "Simple HTML" makes no
difference; changing it to "plain text" makes it worse.

Thanks for trying -- other than the well-known forms manager issue,
everything else about version 2.1 has been a real pleasure to use, and I
hope not to have to revert to 1.1.18 because of this single problem.



Since nothing seems to have worked, why not try a different or new profile?



You're right -- what do I have to lose?

I tried creating a new clean profile and forwarded some of those particular 
emails ("edit as new") to myself. They looked good!


Then I moved my address book and similar files to the new profile. They still 
looked good! Added my favorite extensions and add-ins, still good.


Then I copied my stored email files to the new profile; now those emails no 
longer display their images.


I can't figure out why moving the stored emails should create this odd problem, 
but that's apparently where the problem comes in



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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

[No]

cyberzen wrote:

No a écrit :

Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2)
different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my
SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.

Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or
tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?

TIA - Bo1953


no prob here
imap.mail.yahoo.com



cyberzen - Thank you for your response. My access is through pop mail.

Warmest regards - bo1953
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Rick Merrill]

JD wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really
well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy& Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML
versions? If
you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display
messages that
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is?
Maybe that's
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs.
HTML, but
not incoming.

I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full
HTML
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming
emails, many
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline
thumbnail
graphics that eBay uses.



While in Mail, click View>Message Body As>Original HTML. If that is
already
selected, then I can't help.



Yes, that's already selected -- changing it to "Simple HTML" makes no
difference; changing it to "plain text" makes it worse.

Thanks for trying -- other than the well-known forms manager issue,
everything else about version 2.1 has been a real pleasure to use, and I
hope not to have to revert to 1.1.18 because of this single problem.



Since nothing seems to have worked, why not try a different or new profile?


That is worth trying.

The OP should also test files from different sources: some 'append' some 'imbed' and 
some have custom html designed to work ONLY with IE (don'tcha hate 'em?)!




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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

[cyberzen]

No a écrit :

Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2)
different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my
SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.

Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or
tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?

TIA - Bo1953


no prob here
imap.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[Cecil Bankston]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens with
the name of the file but the tab is blank.  Previously such PDF files
would open normally in the browser.  It made no difference whether I had
Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.


SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

No problem.

If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not middle-click
to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab.  For a
short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
(black frame with blue progress).  When the document is open and
displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window; this
is easily and quickly dismissed.

I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you SeaMonkey
preferences.


Using the same OS and SeaMonkey&  Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
blank tab.  I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
relevant.  SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader.  PDF
attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
produce a blank tab.


What about Adobe Reader (not SeaMonkey) preferences?

Open Adobe Reader.  You do not need a PDF file open; just launch the
Reader itself.  On the Reader menu bar (not SeaMonkey), go to [Edit>
Preferences].  On Adobe's Preferences window, along the left side under
Categories, select Internet.  Are the first two checkboxes checked?
Have you set the correct "Connection speed"?

Without having made any changes, one PDF did display normally in the 
browser today, though another that was an e-mail attachment gave the 
same blank tab.  The Adobe preferences Internet checkboxes were checked. 
 I did adjust the connection speed to account for my cable connection, 
though I doubt that was relevant to the problem.  I have had NoScript 
installed long before the PDF problem appeared, but might its new 
version be causing the problem?  Are those who are having a similar 
problem also using NoScript?

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Re: SM & Yahoo Mail???

[cmcadams]

No wrote:

Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2) different 
machines)
are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my SM & Yahoo settings and 
they
appear to be fine.

Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or tweaking 
needs to
be done to get this back in sync?

TIA - Bo1953


No (OK...few) problems with Yahoo email on SM 2.1 here. You didn't specify an ISP but 
on the off chance they'll apply, here are my server settings:


Incoming (POP)  pop.att.yahoo.com
Outgoing (SMTP) smtp.att.yahoo.com
(requires authentication)
Incoming mail server:   POP3
Incoming/Outgoing User Name: Full AT&T email address, including domain (e.g., 
t...@att.net, t...@bellsouth.net)

Incoming mail port #:   995, secure connection (SSL) checked
Outgoing mail port #465, secure connection (SSL) checked
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[JD]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Gerald Ross wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really
well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy& Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML
versions? If
you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display
messages that
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is?
Maybe that's
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs.
HTML, but
not incoming.

I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full
HTML
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming
emails, many
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline
thumbnail
graphics that eBay uses.



While in Mail, click View>Message Body As>Original HTML. If that is
already
selected, then I can't help.



Yes, that's already selected -- changing it to "Simple HTML" makes no
difference; changing it to "plain text" makes it worse.

Thanks for trying -- other than the well-known forms manager issue,
everything else about version 2.1 has been a real pleasure to use, and I
hope not to have to revert to 1.1.18 because of this single problem.



Since nothing seems to have worked, why not try a different or new profile?


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Rick Merrill]

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do
with this list(except informational)


The d/l history can be handy if you have retained the files because it provides a 
concise list from which to launch or access the files.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Jens Hatlak]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can
uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).


I'm not using the installer so I cannot tell whether it will make it 
clear what will be installed, but I don't think any notice is needed for 
how to remove extensions (now better known as add-ons). You just go to 
the Add-ons Manager and deactivate or remove whatever you want. There 
should be no non-removable add-ons anymore since at least the bundled 
ones are installed into the profile now (where the user has full control 
and access).


HTH

Jens

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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[David E. Ross]

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
>>> When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens with
>>> the name of the file but the tab is blank.  Previously such PDF files
>>> would open normally in the browser.  It made no difference whether I had
>>> Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.
>>
>> SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.
>>
>> No problem.
>>
>> If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not middle-click
>> to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab.  For a
>> short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
>> (black frame with blue progress).  When the document is open and
>> displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window; this
>> is easily and quickly dismissed.
>>
>> I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you SeaMonkey
>> preferences.
>>
> Using the same OS and SeaMonkey & Adobe Reader versions, I just get a 
> blank tab.  I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be 
> relevant.  SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader.  PDF 
> attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only 
> produce a blank tab.

What about Adobe Reader (not SeaMonkey) preferences?

Open Adobe Reader.  You do not need a PDF file open; just launch the
Reader itself.  On the Reader menu bar (not SeaMonkey), go to [Edit >
Preferences].  On Adobe's Preferences window, along the left side under
Categories, select Internet.  Are the first two checkboxes checked?
Have you set the correct "Connection speed"?

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray_Net wrote:

May i say that the migration from 1.x can be done in every 2.x version ?


Only if you have a crystal ball. ;-)

More seriously, you can migrate from 1.x to 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2. For any 
version beyond that, it is quite likely but otherwise unknown.


HTH

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Re: What's a Power PC Mac user to do?

[Rufus]

Bob Fleischer wrote:

My wife still uses SeaMonkey 2.0.x on a Power PC Mac running Mac OS 10.4.

I understand that she cannot upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.1, and that there
will be no further security fixes to SeaMonkey 2.0.

Besides buying a new computer, what alternatives might there be?

Bob


SM 2.0.14 is as far as you can go for PPC.  Other than that, the 
Safari/Thunderbird combination isn't a bad fit interface-wise.


I'm in the same boat...

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Lee wrote:

On 6/23/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:

I just wanted to make you all aware of a user-facing change I am being
forced to make for SeaMonkey 2.2

The idea is I'd either not make it, or risk keeping users exposed to
security risks far longer than should be the case.

Bug 666518 (PLEASE respond only here unless you are helping to FIX the
bug, advocacy will be fine in newsgroups/e-mail but not bug, thank you)

I will be removing the Windows Installers' ability to selectively
install extensions.

The codepaths that make the packaging of the installer able to support
this feature are very complex, and apparantly quite easy to break. While
removing the ability entirely (user facing anyway) is as simple as
dropping one variable in a makefile we control.

I do have ideas on how I can restore the basic functionality offered by
this installer feature, but it won't be until 2.5 at the earliest I can
get that working, and I have no guarantees as I have not looked deeply
into it yet. But I feel that my efforts to support a very complex system
here which HAVE to coexist with the Firefox systems and are only growing
in complexity as of late, are better spent supporting other aspects of
SeaMonkey and doing bug fixing/stability/releng on a wider scale.

After reading that bug, if you have any
comments/complaints/show-of-support or suggestions, please feel free to
state them here.


show-of-support: thank you for continuing to work on SeaMonkey

After looking at the bug report I'm no closer to understanding what
the security risks are, but if all it means is I have to do another
step or three to uninstall extensions that I don't want vs. some
security issue.. I think you made the right decision.

Thanks again,
Lee


As long as during the install process of 2.2, it is made _clear_
to the client which extensions are being automatically installed,
and there is a clear set of instructions for how the person can 
uninstall each of these extensions, (in case they wish to do so).


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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your
download history.



I always clear the download history because i did not know what i can do 
with this list(except informational)


That's what i have understood reading this newsgroup ... may be i am wrong.
May i say that the migration from 1.x can be done in every 2.x version ?
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

Gerald Ross wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy& Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML versions? If
you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display messages that
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is? Maybe that's
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs. HTML, but
not incoming.

I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full HTML
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming emails, many
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline thumbnail
graphics that eBay uses.



While in Mail, click View>Message Body As>Original HTML. If that is already
selected, then I can't help.



Yes, that's already selected -- changing it to "Simple HTML" makes no 
difference; changing it to "plain text" makes it worse.


Thanks for trying -- other than the well-known forms manager issue, everything 
else about version 2.1 has been a real pleasure to use, and I hope not to have 
to revert to 1.1.18 because of this single problem.


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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Gerald Ross]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

 Bill Spikowski wrote:

 I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really well!

 I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
 line of text in place of the image.

 I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
 something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
 haven't manually changed any preferences.

 In Preferences | Privacy&  Security, it's already set to "Load all
 images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


 How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML versions? If
 you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display messages that
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is? Maybe that's
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs. HTML, but
not incoming.

I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full HTML
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming emails, many
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline thumbnail
graphics that eBay uses.


While in Mail, click View>Message Body As>Original HTML.  If that is 
already selected, then I can't help.


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Cochran, GA

A person is just about as big as the
things that make them angry.





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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

Michael Gordon wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy & Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML
versions? If you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.


Two things are required here:
1. Was the message sent as HTML, or ASCII text?


I assume HTML, since they contain inline graphics that have always displayed 
properly in Seamonkey and other browsers.





2. If the message was sent in HTML and the image was inserted "Inline" the image
will appear inline with the messenger text and in an attachment box.

>

2. If the message was sent in ASCII text and the image was attached to the
message a small attachment box will appear asking you what you wish to do with
the image file.


This is the behavior I'm used to --  but in both of my SM 2.x installations, a 
whole group of similar emails don't work that way anymore. When I open those 
same emails in 1.1.18, they display fine, so I assume the problem is in my new 
profile or in a setting that I've missed.


In PREFERENCES | MAIL & NEWSGROUPS | MESSAGE DISPLAY | BLOCK IMAGES AND OTHER 
CONTENT FROM REMOTE SOURCES, checking or unchecking this option makes no 
difference. I'm stumped!

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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[Francesco Presel]

Cruz, Jaime ha scritto:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens
with
the name of the file but the tab is blank. Previously such PDF files
would open normally in the browser. It made no difference whether I
had
Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.


SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

No problem.

If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not
middle-click
to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab. For a
short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
(black frame with blue progress). When the document is open and
displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window;
this
is easily and quickly dismissed.

I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you
SeaMonkey
preferences.


Using the same OS and SeaMonkey& Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
blank tab. I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
relevant. SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader. PDF
attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
produce a blank tab.


Are you able to view a local PDF document that is on your own hard drive?



I've been seeing the same behavior. I have to download the PDF to my
hard drive and open it from there (yes, that works) because it seems to
refuse to open in Seamonkey. This was not a problem with 2.0.14. Another
work-around is switching to the IE rendering engine via IETab. Something
in the new Seamonkey is "broken."

I see this at home with XP SP3, and Acrobat X and at the office with XP
SP3 and Acrobat 9.




I've been having the same problem on linux (Kubuntu 11.04; 64 bit; 
Acrobat 9.4; SM 2.1 and 2.2beta). I've noticed that it usually happened 
(but it was quite random, generally) when I first opened some pdf; then 
closed it and opened (the same or another) pdf later.
From System monitor I could see acroread was still running as zombie, 
and plugin container was still active, even after closing all pdf 
documents. Might that be related to the issue?

Now, I'm using evince through mozplugger, and it appears to work fine
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Re: Images don't appear in e-mails

[Bill Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Bill Spikowski wrote:

I just switched from SM 1.1.18 to 2.1. The new version works really well!

I've found one problem. E-mails that normally show images only show a
line of text in place of the image.

I have this same problem on my laptop in version 2.0, so it may be
something that carried forward when importing my old profile -- I
haven't manually changed any preferences.

In Preferences | Privacy & Security, it's already set to "Load all
images." Is there some other setting that would cause this behavior?


How are you handling messages that arrive in both text and HTML versions? If
you're displaying the text version, there will be no images.



I've never given SM any specific instructions on how to display messages that 
arrive both in text and HTML -- do you know where that setting is? Maybe that's 
the problem. I'm aware of the settings for OUTGOING mail in text vs. HTML, but 
not incoming.


I do receive plenty of emails (often spam) that display in their full HTML 
glory; the problem I'm having is with a limited group of incoming emails, many 
of which are from eBay which are pretty useless without the inline thumbnail 
graphics that eBay uses.



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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray_Net wrote:

migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's
VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 2.0 instead of
migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x


Where did you get that from? Did you try?

To my knowledge, the only thing you lose if you skip 2.0 is your 
download history.


HTH

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Re: PDF Not Displaying

[Cruz, Jaime]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 6:53 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/23/11 11:19 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

When I click a link for a PDF file in SeaMonkey 2.1 a new tab opens with
the name of the file but the tab is blank.  Previously such PDF files
would open normally in the browser.  It made no difference whether I had
Foxit or Adobe Reader set as my default PDF reader.


SeaMonkey 2.1 with Adobe Reader 10.1.0 on Windows XP SP3.

No problem.

If the link does not force a new tab or window and I do not middle-click
to create a new tab, the PDF file opens in the existing tab.  For a
short while, I get a blank screen with an ugly, large progress bar
(black frame with blue progress).  When the document is open and
displayed, an Adobe Reader toolbar is superimposed over the window; this
is easily and quickly dismissed.

I suggest you check your Adobe Reader preferences and then you SeaMonkey
preferences.


Using the same OS and SeaMonkey&  Adobe Reader versions, I just get a
blank tab.  I don't see any SeaMonkey preferences that should be
relevant.  SeaMonkey already is set to use the default PDF reader.  PDF
attachments to e-mails also try to open in a browser tab but only
produce a blank tab.


Are you able to view a local PDF document that is on your own hard drive?



I've been seeing the same behavior.  I have to download the PDF to my 
hard drive and open it from there (yes, that works) because it seems to 
refuse to open in Seamonkey.  This was not a problem with 2.0.14. 
Another work-around is switching to the IE rendering engine via IETab. 
Something in the new Seamonkey is "broken."


I see this at home with XP SP3, and Acrobat X and at the office with XP 
SP3 and Acrobat 9.



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SM & Yahoo Mail???

[No]

Hello all, for the last two (2) days, my SM 2.014 & 2.1 (two (2) 
different machines) are not retrieving any yahoo mail. I have checked my 
SM & Yahoo settings and they appear to be fine.


Has anyone else encountered this situation, if so, what settings or 
tweaking needs to be done to get this back in sync?


TIA - Bo1953
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Re: Will SeaMonkey v2.0.x be getting any more updates after its v2.0.14?

[Ray_Net]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 23/06/2011 18:32, Ray_Net told the world:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ray_Net schrieb:

But it would be nice to have a longer life of a supported version ...


A lot of things would be nice. Do you sign up to the job of backporting
all those security patches? If so, we maybe can start talking about it.


Perhaps i have not explained correctly - The question is not for
backporting ... the question is just why do you change major versions so
often ?


"So often?" Seamonkey 1.x was essentially the same as Mozilla
Application Suite 1.x -- that is, we had four years (98-2002) of Mozilla
as a beta, plus four years (2002-2006) of Mozilla as a shipping product,
PLUS three years of Seamonkey 1.x. That's *seven* years (counting only
released products) with essentially the same product, making internal
improvements but no major changes.

Seamonkey 2 was released almost two years ago, and it was a major change
-- from the old framework to the new toolkit, for starters. Seamonkey
2.1 was launched now, and it's technically considered a MINOR version,
not a major version -- it essentially finished the transition job which
began with the 2.0 release. Even if it you want to call it a major
version (which it isn't), two years is a long, long time as browser
versions go.


I had named major version 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, etc
mainly because per exemple migration from 1.x to 2.x cannot be don in 
2.1 nor in 2.2 - So it's VERY important to migrate from 2.0 then 2.1 the 
2.0 instead of migrating from 1.x to 2.x to 3.x

and the delay between 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2 is very short.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Late User-Facing Change

[Lee]

On 6/24/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> On 6/23/11, Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:
>>> I just wanted to make you all aware of a user-facing change I am being
>>> forced to make for SeaMonkey 2.2
>>>
>>> The idea is I'd either not make it, or risk keeping users exposed to
>>> security risks far longer than should be the case.
>>>
>>> Bug 666518 (PLEASE respond only here unless you are helping to FIX the
>>> bug, advocacy will be fine in newsgroups/e-mail but not bug, thank you)
>>>
>>> I will be removing the Windows Installers' ability to selectively
>>> install extensions.
>>>
>>> The codepaths that make the packaging of the installer able to support
>>> this feature are very complex, and apparantly quite easy to break. While
>>> removing the ability entirely (user facing anyway) is as simple as
>>> dropping one variable in a makefile we control.
>>>
>>> I do have ideas on how I can restore the basic functionality offered by
>>> this installer feature, but it won't be until 2.5 at the earliest I can
>>> get that working, and I have no guarantees as I have not looked deeply
>>> into it yet. But I feel that my efforts to support a very complex system
>>> here which HAVE to coexist with the Firefox systems and are only growing
>>> in complexity as of late, are better spent supporting other aspects of
>>> SeaMonkey and doing bug fixing/stability/releng on a wider scale.
>>>
>>> After reading that bug, if you have any
>>> comments/complaints/show-of-support or suggestions, please feel free to
>>> state them here.
>>
>> show-of-support: thank you for continuing to work on SeaMonkey
>
> You're welcome
>
>> After looking at the bug report I'm no closer to understanding what
>> the security risks are, but if all it means is I have to do another
>> step or three to uninstall extensions that I don't want vs. some
>> security issue.. I think you made the right decision.
>
> To be clear, this was not a security issue.
>
> The reason security was even mentioned, was that me attempting to fix
> this complex bug would have meant a delay in 2.2 (and likely future
> versions as well) which also means a delay in getting security fixes out
> to our users.

OK - thanks for the explanation; that makes more sense.  & I still
think you made the right decision :)  I really like SM & would hate to
see development on it stop

Best regards,
Lee
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