Re: 2.3.2 update failed on XP limited user, upgraded from Admin, but limited user still sees upgrade failed
Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:48:37 -0400, /Bob Fleischer/: On a Windows XP system my daughter uses, she runs SeaMonkey from a regular/limited user account. The 2.3.2 upgrade was attempted, but failed. I then performed the upgrade from an administrator account, successfully. However, when using the limited user account, SeaMonkey reports upgrade failed whenever it starts. See if the following could help: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_update#Software_Update_Failed Particularly: If the problem continues, you can manually reset the Software Update feature by closing your Mozilla application and deleting the updates folder and the two files active-update.xml and updates.xml, which can be found in one of these locations For SeaMonkey the locations are: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/profiles#location -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Checking plug-ins up to date, Java Script disabled
Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:54:57 -0400, /Stan/: (Using 2.3.3). When I use Tools/Add-ons Manager/Plugins and click on Check to see if your plugins are up to date. it tells me I have Java Script disabled. I have it enabled under Preferences/Advanced/Scripts Plugins. Must be something else I can do? Do you have any script blocking extensions? Does it happen when running in Safe Mode? -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Views Columns
Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:52:13 +0100, /Bob Henson/: I'm just giving Seamonkey a try for the first time, and cannot find a way to set the View differently (in particular the column headers) for each folder. Can it not be done as in Thunderbird? Do they really all have to have exactly the same View set? I think I must be missing something. I wasn't aware Thunderbird can do this sort of stuff. :-) I use Mnenhy for its Folder Storage feature: http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/folderstore.html Unfortunately, a SM 2.3 compatible version is still on its way out. You may however directly ask the author as indicated here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/AddonCompat#Needs_Compatibility_Override for a beta version which works with SM 2.3 just fine. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey doesn't remember screen layout?
Fri, 02 Sep 2011 14:54:11 +0100, /Bob Henson/: Another query, if I may? Seamonkey doesn't seem to remember the screen layout when it is closed down. On restarting the panes have moved each time. I use the vertical view and the message panes shrink back towards the folder pane each time I restart the program. Is this the normal behaviour? Seems like a bug. Mind filling one? http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community#bugreport -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey version question
Can anyone inform me on the version of Seamonkey that has the same spell-checking code as FF 6 and TB 6 ? The changed behaviour of the hyphen is essential for releasing a newer, better Dutch spell checker for Seamonkey. Thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A plea for a return to sanity in new version release scheduling
On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:33:59 -0700, Sailfish removecapssailf...@removecapsunforgettable.com wrote in hdwdnfio_41crthtnz2dnuvz_v-dn...@mozilla.org: [mozilla.support.seamonkey,mozilla.support.firefox reinserted] A quick search of this newsgroup would have shown you that this topic has been brought up several times and deemed OFF-TOPIC for this newsgroup. Has been deemed? You should listen to yourself. The current let's replace version numbers with 'up to date' or 'not up to date' and sod add-ons idiocy is so stunningly crass and so rightly controversial that it's going to get discussed *everywhere* whether you like it or not... and no amount of off topic here there and everywhere else apart from the Free Speech Zone we set up well away from the building is going to stop it. -- Regards, Peter Boulding pjbne...@unspampboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove UNSPAM) Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=794240content=music ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Re: A plea for a return to sanity in new version release scheduling
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:25:31 -0500, Ron Hunter rphun...@charter.net wrote in xnudnaqn_4exr9htnz2dnuvz_rydn...@mozilla.org: On 8/17/2011 9:54 PM, Peter Boulding wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:33:59 -0700, Sailfish removecapssailf...@removecapsunforgettable.com wrote in hdwdnfio_41crthtnz2dnuvz_v-dn...@mozilla.org: [mozilla.support.seamonkey,mozilla.support.firefox reinserted] A quick search of this newsgroup would have shown you that this topic has been brought up several times and deemed OFF-TOPIC for this newsgroup. Has been deemed? You should listen to yourself. The current let's replace version numbers with 'up to date' or 'not up to date' and sod add-ons idiocy is so stunningly crass and so rightly controversial that it's going to get discussed *everywhere* whether you like it or not... and no amount of off topic here there and everywhere else apart from the Free Speech Zone we set up well away from the building is going to stop it. It is such an earth-shatteringly important thing, right? Look where it's going: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678775 Money quote: It is part of the phasing out of version numbers in Firefox that's already well under way (though still incomplete.) -- Regards, Peter Boulding pjbne...@unspampboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove UNSPAM) Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=794240content=music ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. [snipped] Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps It does. I'll add one more comment. In the site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html The following quote appears: The UTF-8 encoding defined in ISO 10646-1:2000 Annex D and also described in RFC 3629 as well as section 3.9 of the Unicode 4.0 standard does not have these problems. It is clearly the way to go for using Unicode under Unix-style operating systems. My guess is that since I work with Mac OS 10, which is UNIX based, that's why I find it compatible for my use. I'll also guess you use a Windows OS, and that is not UNIX based, which is one reason why you dislike how UTF-8 treats your efforts. Not sure, but possible... keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this the end of SeaMonkey?
dsavitsk schrieb: And, as a last FU, all of my bookmarks got deleted by the upgrade. Usually, an auto-import of bookmarks should run the first time you switch from 2.0.x to 2.1 or later, but in rare cases it fails to run correctly. You can go into the bookmarks manager and use the import functionality to import your old bookmarks.html into the new format once. From there, the bookmarks should be fine on future updates as well. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which Windows monospaced is recommended for message such as these ?
On 9/8/2011 7:31 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 11:38 AM, Keith Whaley wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 9/7/2011 3:14 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Check for Updates which comes out on my screen as [0093]Check for Updates[0094]. Is there a recommended Windows monospaced font which can correctly handle these paired quotes and other less common Unicode characters ? Actually its broken on my screen as well, (a bad artifact from my web post). I usually avoid unicode if I can help it in text/plain e-mails/news postings unless there is a strong need. It could be an issue on my end, or with our defaults in news, not sure which. But I can assure you I don't plan on sending it like that again. [snipped] Now you tell me you strongly avoid Unicode. I'd really like to know why. Also, what encoding scheme DO you use in lieu of? Mostly just a personal preference. My general (US based) contacts that I know personally have typically not had good results when I send unicode chars. Also, my keyboard does not make it easy for me to type unicode chars. I usually stick with ASCII in e-mails for that reason. Also I'm not too familiar with dealing with encoding schemes as I would like. When I do chose an encoding scheme, I usually choose UTF-8 (BOM or not depends on context). I have nothing against unicode, just that I experience too much font issues when *I* use it outside of dev. These issues are usually avoidable easily by simply not using Unicode. Hope that helps It does. I'll add one more comment. In the site: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html The following quote appears: The UTF-8 encoding defined in ISO 10646-1:2000 Annex D and also described in RFC 3629 as well as section 3.9 of the Unicode 4.0 standard does not have these problems. It is clearly the way to go for using Unicode under Unix-style operating systems. My guess is that since I work with Mac OS 10, which is UNIX based, that's why I find it compatible for my use. I'll also guess you use a Windows OS, and that is not UNIX based, which is one reason why you dislike how UTF-8 treats your efforts. Not sure, but possible... I do use Windows. And in instances I can choose encoding easily, I usually set UTF-8 even for cases where I only intend to use ASCII, most Windows programs (seem) to come with poor defaults and/or hard ways to set encoding. The trouble of tweaking/finding those settings is not worth the slight benefits to me, in most cases. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Checking plug-ins up to date, Java Script disabled
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:54:57 -0400, /Stan/: (Using 2.3.3). When I use Tools/Add-ons Manager/Plugins and click on Check to see if your plugins are up to date. it tells me I have Java Script disabled. I have it enabled under Preferences/Advanced/Scripts Plugins. Must be something else I can do? Do you have any script blocking extensions? Does it happen when running in Safe Mode? Yes, I use Noscript. I can get around the problem via options of Noscript. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this the end of SeaMonkey?
taz043 wrote: dsavitsk wrote: It is for me. Been using SM since early 1.x days -- 5 years or so now. A while back, I had upgraded to 2.2 but lost functionality (a href=http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/ browse_thread/thread/d3ce81bc8e4b3db6/f28f8e13c0361f1dcenter button scrolling with a Thinkpad and the ability to open new tabs easily/a) so I re-downgraded. Today, I received dire warnings that upgrading to 2.3.3 was essential for security reasons. I figured that maybe some of these issues had been resolved, and that maybe security trumps inconvenience. But, nope, nothing's fixed. And, as a last FU, all of my bookmarks got deleted by the upgrade. Thanks! Like dsavitsk, I think its about time for me to leave SeaMonkey after many years of happy surfing. I hate tab browsing and no matter what I uncheck in preferences I still have tabs and not the windows browsing I prefer. Been like this since the last couple of updates. I do thank all the folks, past and present that have labored on SeaMonkey since its beginning. Have you been told to check Edit-Preferences-Browser-Link Behavior to set it as you require especially the top section dealing with Links? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this the end of SeaMonkey?
dsavitsk a écrit : I have backups, so I am okay data wise. Really, the Thinkpad scrolling thing is the one I can't get past, so a fix for that and I am a happy enough camper to continue. Just FTR, I don't have that problem on my Thinkpad, so it doesn't seem to be a general bug. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 Release -- Corrects Major Security Flaw
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 is now available as free downloads for Windows, Mac, and Linux from http://www.seamonkey-project.org. As always, we recommend that users keep up to date with the latest stability and support versions of SeaMonkey, and encourage all our users to upgrade to the very latest version. Snip Yesterday, I update my Mandriva Linux version of SM to release 2.3.3 and when I opened the Browser, it went to the SeaMonkey-Project site as it should. Tonight, I booted into my Win7 version of SM and upgraded to version 2.3.3, but when I opened the Browser, it went to my normal five tab Home Page. Why?? Shouldn't it have gone to the SeaMonkey-Project site, as well, or did my going under Linux count for both systems?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/7/11 5:23 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:09:53 -0700, /David E. Ross/: At http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/named-character-references.html, there is asmile; at Unicode U+02323. (This is a draft specification that is still being revised. The latest revision was just today.) At http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2300.pdf, I see that Unicode U+02323 is a curve resembling a parenthesis on its side with the concave side up. This might be considered a smile, but it does not have the face circle around it. Try U+263A (white smiling face): http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf This is Miscellaneous Symbols on: http://www.unicode.org/charts/ I didn't deny there is a Unicode symbol for this. I merely pointed out that there does not seem to be what used to be called an HTML entity reference -- now (HTML 5) called a named character reference -- for the symbol in the W3C specifications. After all, Gecko is supposed to be compliant with the HTML specification. If Ray_Net want to use numeric Unicode points for special symbols, he can. But merely typing a keyboard letter and then expecting the symbol does not work, even when that keystroke is the symbol in some fonts. Why is it possible to specify an font(name) and SM shows on the screen the picture of the character ?. EXCEPT for the Wingdings FONT ? It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 01:00:09 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:44:04 +0200, /Ray_Net/: On a mail received from an outlook mail program i see: Re-Texte J instead of Re-Texte smiling smiley The J in Windings font is a smiling smiley But SM show me only a J. The Wingdings font doesn't have an Unicode character map [1] and is generally useless. MS allows one to write content like J but then when used with Wingdings to render the glyph at absolute position corresponding to J in the font. Mozilla and other browsers wouldn't find appropriate glyph mapped to J in that font When i use Word and i typed JJJ and i change the font of the second J in Windings, i see a smiling face instead of the J. The fact that you type J means the content contains exactly this character and not some other like smiling face. A non-visual agent would read it as J and not as smiling face. The fact that you see it as smiling face using Windings font in Outlook doesn't change the meaning of the character you encoded - J. It is presentational artifact specific to Outlook. Outlook, Word and all browsers can do it, except SM. so the will find a substitute font to render it. Outlook users should really write ☺ (smiling face) and not J. How can i tell what he must do in outlook, because there is no ☺ on the keyboard ? Additionnal question, how can i type ☺ here ?(i had just copy/pasted of your character) On Windows one may use the Character Map (Programs / Accessories / System Tools), set Character set: Unicode, Group by: Unicode Subrange, then from the Group By palette select Symbols Dingbats and search for a font which contains the smiley. On my system the Courier New font appears to contain it. Double click the character to add it to the Character to copy field, then copy and paste where needed. I do it here with your method ☺ and i must say that i loose time to find it. And additionnally the guy who send me a mail using outlook have used the smiling smiley :-) and also the angry smiley :-( (This one is not present with your method(i have not see it)) An easier variant seems to be Alt+code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_code: | The following method can be used on Microsoft Windows to enter | any Unicode codepoint as a hexadecimal number: | | * Set the registry key HKCU\Control Panel\Input | Method\EnableHexNumpad to type REG_SZ and value 1 and reboot. | * Keep the Alt key pressed. Press the + key on the numeric | keypad. | * With the Alt key still pressed, type the hexadecimal number | using the numeric keypad for digits 0-9 and the normal keys for | a-f. For example, type +11b to produce ě (e with caron). I guess one will need to press Alt+263A to insert the smiling face (but note the Registry setting first). Really NOT user friendly :-) A guy, David McRitchie, has some notes on it regarding Firefox but it equally applies (or equally doesn't apply anymore) to SeaMonkey: http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/firefox.htm#wingdings http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/wingdings.htm [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmap_%28font%29 Looks that those bugs are closed evenwhile not resolved ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90643 says: This bug will cause my websites to have to suggest not using Firefox as it is necessary to use Greek symbols and the symbol font. It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. and: It is strange to ignore this bug. I very often get smileys from outlook users which display as J. As explained elsewhere, this is normal way things are supposed to work. The other way is just a non-standard quirk. Ii works in all browsers except with SM. Does it mean that SM is the ONLY STANDARD browser ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 01:00:09 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:44:04 +0200, /Ray_Net/: On a mail received from an outlook mail program i see: Re-Texte J instead of Re-Texte smiling smiley The J in Windings font is a smiling smiley But SM show me only a J. The Wingdings font doesn't have an Unicode character map [1] and is generally useless. MS allows one to write content like J but then when used with Wingdings to render the glyph at absolute position corresponding to J in the font. Mozilla and other browsers wouldn't find appropriate glyph mapped to J in that font When i use Word and i typed JJJ and i change the font of the second J in Windings, i see a smiling face instead of the J. The fact that you type J means the content contains exactly this character and not some other like smiling face. A non-visual agent would read it as J and not as smiling face. The fact that you see it as smiling face using Windings font in Outlook doesn't change the meaning of the character you encoded - J. It is presentational artifact specific to Outlook. so the will find a substitute font to render it. Outlook users should really write ☺ (smiling face) and not J. How can i tell what he must do in outlook, because there is no ☺ on the keyboard ? Additionnal question, how can i type ☺ here ?(i had just copy/pasted of your character) On Windows one may use the Character Map (Programs / Accessories / System Tools), set Character set: Unicode, Group by: Unicode Subrange, then from the Group By palette select Symbols Dingbats and search for a font which contains the smiley. On my system the Courier New font appears to contain it. Double click the character to add it to the Character to copy field, then copy and paste where needed. An easier variant seems to be Alt+code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_code: | The following method can be used on Microsoft Windows to enter | any Unicode codepoint as a hexadecimal number: | | * Set the registry key HKCU\Control Panel\Input | Method\EnableHexNumpad to type REG_SZ and value 1 and reboot. | * Keep the Alt key pressed. Press the + key on the numeric | keypad. | * With the Alt key still pressed, type the hexadecimal number | using the numeric keypad for digits 0-9 and the normal keys for | a-f. For example, type +11b to produce ě (e with caron). I guess one will need to press Alt+263A to insert the smiling face (but note the Registry setting first). A guy, David McRitchie, has some notes on it regarding Firefox but it equally applies (or equally doesn't apply anymore) to SeaMonkey: http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/firefox.htm#wingdings http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/wingdings.htm [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmap_%28font%29 Looks that those bugs are closed evenwhile not resolved ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90643 says: This bug will cause my websites to have to suggest not using Firefox as it is necessary to use Greek symbols and the symbol font. It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. and: It is strange to ignore this bug. I very often get smileys from outlook users which display as J. As explained elsewhere, this is normal way things are supposed to work. The other way is just a non-standard quirk. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this the end of SeaMonkey?
Daniel wrote: taz043 wrote: dsavitsk wrote: It is for me. Been using SM since early 1.x days -- 5 years or so now. A while back, I had upgraded to 2.2 but lost functionality (a href=http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/ browse_thread/thread/d3ce81bc8e4b3db6/f28f8e13c0361f1dcenter button scrolling with a Thinkpad and the ability to open new tabs easily/a) so I re-downgraded. Today, I received dire warnings that upgrading to 2.3.3 was essential for security reasons. I figured that maybe some of these issues had been resolved, and that maybe security trumps inconvenience. But, nope, nothing's fixed. And, as a last FU, all of my bookmarks got deleted by the upgrade. Thanks! Like dsavitsk, I think its about time for me to leave SeaMonkey after many years of happy surfing. I hate tab browsing and no matter what I uncheck in preferences I still have tabs and not the windows browsing I prefer. Been like this since the last couple of updates. I do thank all the folks, past and present that have labored on SeaMonkey since its beginning. Have you been told to check Edit-Preferences-Browser-Link Behavior to set it as you require especially the top section dealing with Links? Thanks you a thousand times. I'd been playing with the tabbed browsing only, checking and unchecking everything until I was totally confused. I guess I know just enough be be dangerous.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 01:00:09 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:44:04 +0200, /Ray_Net/: On a mail received from an outlook mail program i see: Re-Texte J instead of Re-Texte smiling smiley The J in Windings font is a smiling smiley But SM show me only a J. The Wingdings font doesn't have an Unicode character map [1] and is generally useless. MS allows one to write content like J but then when used with Wingdings to render the glyph at absolute position corresponding to J in the font. Mozilla and other browsers wouldn't find appropriate glyph mapped to J in that font When i use Word and i typed JJJ and i change the font of the second J in Windings, i see a smiling face instead of the J. The fact that you type J means the content contains exactly this character and not some other like smiling face. A non-visual agent would read it as J and not as smiling face. The fact that you see it as smiling face using Windings font in Outlook doesn't change the meaning of the character you encoded - J. It is presentational artifact specific to Outlook. so the will find a substitute font to render it. Outlook users should really write ☺ (smiling face) and not J. How can i tell what he must do in outlook, because there is no ☺ on the keyboard ? Additionnal question, how can i type ☺ here ?(i had just copy/pasted of your character) On Windows one may use the Character Map (Programs / Accessories / System Tools), set Character set: Unicode, Group by: Unicode Subrange, then from the Group By palette select Symbols Dingbats and search for a font which contains the smiley. On my system the Courier New font appears to contain it. Double click the character to add it to the Character to copy field, then copy and paste where needed. I do it here with Wingdings - JKL - but there is no advanced view for this font. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. The first and third line appear as the same font to me, and only line 2 appears different. I can't find a Wingdings, only a Webdings. -- SeaMonkey 2.3.3 (or as I call it 1.0.74) on openSUSE 11.3 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: turn off automatic update
I did that, but it looks like I have to perform that step separately in each different user account, which was a pain. Is there some reason why this is tied to individual user accounts? I guess otherwise you might have to designate an application administrator, or something like that. LMH Paul B. Gallagher wrote: LMH wrote: I don't remember any setting for configuring automatic updates for seamonkey. I also can't find any setting for turning this on or off. Where is this controlled from? Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Software Installation. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wingdings not showed on a html mail
On 9/8/11 8:14 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 01:00:09 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:44:04 +0200, /Ray_Net/: On a mail received from an outlook mail program i see: Re-Texte J instead of Re-Texte smiling smiley The J in Windings font is a smiling smiley But SM show me only a J. The Wingdings font doesn't have an Unicode character map [1] and is generally useless. MS allows one to write content like J but then when used with Wingdings to render the glyph at absolute position corresponding to J in the font. Mozilla and other browsers wouldn't find appropriate glyph mapped to J in that font When i use Word and i typed JJJ and i change the font of the second J in Windings, i see a smiling face instead of the J. The fact that you type J means the content contains exactly this character and not some other like smiling face. A non-visual agent would read it as J and not as smiling face. The fact that you see it as smiling face using Windings font in Outlook doesn't change the meaning of the character you encoded - J. It is presentational artifact specific to Outlook. so the will find a substitute font to render it. Outlook users should really write ☺ (smiling face) and not J. How can i tell what he must do in outlook, because there is no ☺ on the keyboard ? Additionnal question, how can i type ☺ here ?(i had just copy/pasted of your character) On Windows one may use the Character Map (Programs / Accessories / System Tools), set Character set: Unicode, Group by: Unicode Subrange, then from the Group By palette select Symbols Dingbats and search for a font which contains the smiley. On my system the Courier New font appears to contain it. Double click the character to add it to the Character to copy field, then copy and paste where needed. An easier variant seems to be Alt+code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_code: | The following method can be used on Microsoft Windows to enter | any Unicode codepoint as a hexadecimal number: | | * Set the registry key HKCU\Control Panel\Input | Method\EnableHexNumpad to type REG_SZ and value 1 and reboot. | * Keep the Alt key pressed. Press the + key on the numeric | keypad. | * With the Alt key still pressed, type the hexadecimal number | using the numeric keypad for digits 0-9 and the normal keys for | a-f. For example, type +11b to produce ě (e with caron). I guess one will need to press Alt+263A to insert the smiling face (but note the Registry setting first). A guy, David McRitchie, has some notes on it regarding Firefox but it equally applies (or equally doesn't apply anymore) to SeaMonkey: http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/firefox.htm#wingdings http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/firefox/wingdings.htm [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmap_%28font%29 Looks that those bugs are closed evenwhile not resolved ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90643 says: This bug will cause my websites to have to suggest not using Firefox as it is necessary to use Greek symbols and the symbol font. It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. and: It is strange to ignore this bug. I very often get smileys from outlook users which display as J. As explained elsewhere, this is normal way things are supposed to work. The other way is just a non-standard quirk. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. All I see are three lines rendered with Courier New. I do have Wingdings installed but not Brush Script. I have the Brush Script font file, but I have my font manager park it in an uninstalled bin. After closing your message (quoted above), I used my font manager to install Brush Script and reopened your message. The third line was still rendered in Courier New. More important, what should I (or anyone else) see if I did not have Wingdings installed? If you composed the message via Outlook or Word, what should I see if I did not have Wingdings installed? Did you read the page at http://webtips.dan.info/char.html as I previously suggested? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. As a follow up to my previous post, I find that I also don't have the Brush Script MT font installed, but do have Courier New, so that is why I see the proper font displayed for that line. However, if I remove the check mark from Allow documents to use other fonts, all lines are rendered in monospace. This message composed using BH Lucida Typewriter font. -- SeaMonkey 2.5a2 on openSUSE 11.3 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.2-2.3.3 Individual History Item Will No Longer Delete :-(
I upgraded one of my installations of Seamonkey 2.0.14 to 2.2. Once I had upgraded I noticed I was unable to delete history item in the history window. I can however delete *.domain.com or www.doamin.com. I figured this would have been fixed in a later Seamonkey update. But after two or three more updates the problem continues. This happens on clean installs as well as upgraded installations. Developers: Please fix! I make heavy use of my history. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. As a follow up to my previous post, I find that I also don't have the Brush Script MT font installed, but do have Courier New, so that is why I see the proper font displayed for that line. However, if I remove the check mark from Allow documents to use other fonts, all lines are rendered in monospace. This message composed using BH Lucida Typewriter font. Well ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may have selected that font but you composed in plain text so we're going to see it in whatever our default font is here. Courier New (Win 7) in my case. ;-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. - Isaac Asimov ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Ed Mullen wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. As a follow up to my previous post, I find that I also don't have the Brush Script MT font installed, but do have Courier New, so that is why I see the proper font displayed for that line. However, if I remove the check mark from Allow documents to use other fonts, all lines are rendered in monospace. This message composed using BH Lucida Typewriter font. Well ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may have selected that font but you composed in plain text so we're going to see it in whatever our default font is here. Courier New (Win 7) in my case. ;-) Yep, but aren't you supposed to compose and post in plain text to newsgroups. -- SeaMonkey 2.5a2 on openSUSE 11.3 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
WLS wrote: Yep, but aren't you supposed to compose and post in plain text to newsgroups. Not if you're trying to demonstrate the effect of selecting different fonts ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this the end of SeaMonkey?
On Sep 8, 9:03 am, S. Beaulieu sereenie-nosp...@netscape.net wrote: dsavitsk a écrit : I have backups, so I am okay data wise. Really, the Thinkpad scrolling thing is the one I can't get past, so a fix for that and I am a happy enough camper to continue. Just FTR, I don't have that problem on my Thinkpad, so it doesn't seem to be a general bug. Updated drivers and some mouse settings, and it seems to be working now. So, I guess I'm back on the team :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Upgrade to 2.3.3 Surprises Frustrations
Just upgraded from 2.0.14 to 2.3.3. It went very well, and more quickly than I'd expected. Did have to adjust some link behavior to suit my way of doing things. Surprise--Based on comments in this group, I'd expected to have to retrieve my bookmarks. Was surprised to find my previous home page (bookmarks.html) was right there, ready to use! Frustration--Said home page now has all entries hard against the left margin, usable but not comfortable to read. Problem?--On the bookmark page, the links Recently Bookmarked and Recent Tags fail with the message place is not a registered protocol. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade to 2.3.3 Surprises Frustrations
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:37:12 -0400, Larry wrote: Just upgraded from 2.0.14 to 2.3.3. It went very well, and more quickly than I'd expected. Did have to adjust some link behavior to suit my way of doing things. Surprise--Based on comments in this group, I'd expected to have to retrieve my bookmarks. Was surprised to find my previous home page (bookmarks.html) was right there, ready to use! Frustration--Said home page now has all entries hard against the left margin, usable but not comfortable to read. Problem?--On the bookmark page, the links Recently Bookmarked and Recent Tags fail with the message place is not a registered protocol. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. Yes. Try using chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bm-panel.xul as your homepage instead. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
On 08/09/2011 23:14, Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedlist_id=1264157short_desc=wingdingsshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr 16 bugs all WONTFIX or INVALID. Phil B-) -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
On 08/09/2011 23:14, Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. [WONTFIX] Bug 232819 - Add character mappings for common symbol fonts like Wingdings Quote: Or, you'd better write to MS to fix their fonts by adding Unicode CMap table. If MS wouldn't fix them, I can help you with fixing your copies of Wingding-like fonts locally, but I'd rather not add custom-font mappings for Wingdings and similar fonts to Mozilla. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade to 2.3.3 Surprises Frustrations
Philip Chee wrote: On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:37:12 -0400, Larry wrote: Just upgraded from 2.0.14 to 2.3.3. It went very well, and more quickly than I'd expected. Did have to adjust some link behavior to suit my way of doing things. Surprise--Based on comments in this group, I'd expected to have to retrieve my bookmarks. Was surprised to find my previous home page (bookmarks.html) was right there, ready to use! Frustration--Said home page now has all entries hard against the left margin, usable but not comfortable to read. Problem?--On the bookmark page, the links Recently Bookmarked and Recent Tags fail with the message place is not a registered protocol. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. Yes. Try using chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bm-panel.xul as your homepage instead. Phil Thank you for your quick response. Is this in my profile somewhere (don't see it offhand)? What is the path to put in the Home Page choice block in Preferences--Browser? (And a related question, would something similar also apply to cookies?) Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. You may see it, Ray, others may not. I see three identical lines, with no variation in font whatsoever. What do you see on the next line ? [Using Symusic font]Testing, testing, testing ...[End Symusic] I see three different lines, exactly as Ray_Net described. Do you have your prefs set to force everything to your preferred font? Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | ? Allow documents to use other fonts. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: turn off automatic update
LMH wrote: I did that, but it looks like I have to perform that step separately in each different user account, which was a pain. Is there some reason why this is tied to individual user accounts? I guess otherwise you might have to designate an application administrator, or something like that. Dunno, I just work here. ;-) Maybe one of the devs can tell you. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I see three different lines, exactly as Ray_Net described. Do you have your prefs set to force everything to your preferred font? Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | ? Allow documents to use other fonts. Fonts for : Western Proportional : Serif 16px Serif : Palatino Linotype Sans Serif : Arial Unicode MS Cursive : CommercialScript BT Fantasy : Alba Matter Monospace : Lucida Console 14px Minimum font size : 11px [X] Allow documents to use other fonts. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I see three different lines, exactly as Ray_Net described. Do you have your prefs set to force everything to your preferred font? Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts | ? Allow documents to use other fonts. Earlier reply contains details, but on looking back at Ray's message on which you and I are commenting (and seeing very different rendering), I see : Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed so I cannot see how /either/ of us could be seeing variant fonts ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade to 2.3.3 Surprises Frustrations
On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry wrote: Just upgraded from 2.0.14 to 2.3.3. It went very well, and more quickly than I'd expected. Did have to adjust some link behavior to suit my way of doing things. Surprise--Based on comments in this group, I'd expected to have to retrieve my bookmarks. Was surprised to find my previous home page (bookmarks.html) was right there, ready to use! Frustration--Said home page now has all entries hard against the left margin, usable but not comfortable to read. Problem?--On the bookmark page, the links Recently Bookmarked and Recent Tags fail with the message place is not a registered protocol. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. Larry Do you want your home page to be your bookmarks file (as I do)? Let me know here, and I will give you the steps to make it look nice and to keep it current. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade to 2.3.3 Surprises Frustrations
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/8/11 11:37 AM, Larry wrote: Just upgraded from 2.0.14 to 2.3.3. It went very well, and more quickly than I'd expected. Did have to adjust some link behavior to suit my way of doing things. Surprise--Based on comments in this group, I'd expected to have to retrieve my bookmarks. Was surprised to find my previous home page (bookmarks.html) was right there, ready to use! Frustration--Said home page now has all entries hard against the left margin, usable but not comfortable to read. Problem?--On the bookmark page, the links Recently Bookmarked and Recent Tags fail with the message place is not a registered protocol. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. Larry Do you want your home page to be your bookmarks file (as I do)? Let me know here, and I will give you the steps to make it look nice and to keep it current. Yes, I'd appreciate that! Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Philip Chee wrote: On 08/09/2011 23:14, Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedlist_id=1264157short_desc=wingdingsshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr 16 bugs all WONTFIX or INVALID. Phil B-) That is confirming https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90643 says: This bug will cause my websites to have to suggest not using Firefox as it is necessary to use Greek symbols and the symbol font. It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. and: It is strange to ignore this bug. I very often get smileys from outlook users which display as J. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 08/09/2011 23:14, Ray_Net wrote: This is a line using SM newsgroup with Wingdings characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with courier new characters. This is a line using SM newsgroup with Brush Script MT characters. As we can see SM is able to use and display the characters correctly for nearly all fonts, but refuse it to do with Wingdings. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedlist_id=1264157short_desc=wingdingsshort_desc_type=allwordssubstr 16 bugs all WONTFIX or INVALID. Phil B-) That is confirming https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90643 says: This bug will cause my websites to have to suggest not using Firefox as it is necessary to use Greek symbols and the symbol font. It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. and: It is strange to ignore this bug. I very often get smileys from outlook users which display as J. Well, I don't mean to be snippy, but if you're using Wingdings for Greek and math symbols, the problem is not with the software. Unicode has a very extensive collection of these characters, and as long as you use reasonably popular fonts such as Times New Roman or Arial, it's not a problem. If you need to do elaborate equations, the usual workaround is to convert them to graphics to ensure that the visitor, whose software capabilities are unknown, can see them. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Unicode has a very extensive collection of these characters, and as long as you use reasonably popular fonts such as Times New Roman or Arial, it's not a problem. Is it necessary to use reasonably popular fonts such as Times New Roman or Arial ? If Wikipædia is to be believed : Some modern browsers, such as Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Safari and Internet Explorer (version ? 7), are able to display multilingual web pages by intelligently choosing a font to display each individual character on the page. it would seem (to me, at least) that regardless of the font in which the message is composed, Seamonkey will do its best to display correctly (that is, according to their Unicode-defined meaning) /all/ of the glyphs contained therein by mixing-and-matching fonts from the available repertoire. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Fri, 09 Sep 2011 02:50:27 +0800, /Philip Chee/: [WONTFIX] Bug 232819 - Add character mappings for common symbol fonts like Wingdings Ah, I now remember that. But it was not about having J displayed as a smiling face, but having a smiling face displayed using Wingdings if there are no other suitable fonts found on a Windows system. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sea Monkey - general thoughts by a user of 2.014 on PC with Windows XP svck 3
Like so many people I really appreciate the time and effort that has been expended in making SeaMonkey a success. I am concerned however by the constant stream of problems/shortcomings being reported and the equally constant stream of updates, etc. It would seem to me, based on the devoted persons who are doing all of the changes, corrections, that there needs to a stop to all these constant corrections and that SeaMonkey be allowed to mature for a relatively short/long period of time so that the non-experts like myself can catch their breath. One of the concerns I have is the hurry up and install the latest version, when in fact there appears not to have been an evaluation of the latest bug correction or whatever. So I would request those who are dedicated to making SeaMonkey an ever better application to slow down and get the application more stable than it appears not be and subjected to all these constant corrections. I would also like to suggest that there be an eventual update that will over-write one of the more stable versions so that there is a higher degree of confidence in doing the simplest way of upgrading without all these specifics to have two profiles and similar update methods. Thanks for allowing me to making the above comments. Cliff Brodie ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Thu, 08 Sep 2011 17:23:31 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: On Windows one may use the Character Map (Programs / Accessories / System Tools), set Character set: Unicode, Group by: Unicode Subrange, then from the Group By palette select Symbols Dingbats and search for a font which contains the smiley. On my system the Courier New font appears to contain it. Double click the character to add it to the Character to copy field, then copy and paste where needed. I do it here with Wingdings - JKL - but there is no advanced view for this font. As I've pointed before, Wingdings doesn't have a character map (CMap) which maps characters to glyphs contained in it, so it is generally useless for text content which might be plain text or HTML one. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: For my purpose, it worked, but if I were designing a website, I'd do my best to convince the visitor to use a font that contained that character, so as to avoid such sore thumbs. Agreed. If æsthetics matter, then pick a small number of commonly available fonts that contain all of the glyphs that you need. But Ray_Net seems interested only in having the glyphs displayed correctly (where correctly is defined as you will); after all, WingDings is hardly going to match Palatino Linotype for x-height, optical density, or any other criterion that you can think of ! Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sea Monkey - general thoughts by a user of 2.014 on PC with Windows XP svck 3
Interviewed by CNN on 08/09/2011 19:35, cqbrodie told the world: Like so many people I really appreciate the time and effort that has been expended in making SeaMonkey a success. I am concerned however by the constant stream of problems/shortcomings being reported and the equally constant stream of updates, etc. It would seem to me, based on the devoted persons who are doing all of the changes, corrections, that there needs to a stop to all these constant corrections and that SeaMonkey be allowed to mature for a relatively short/long period of time so that the non-experts like myself can catch their breath. One of the concerns I have is the hurry up and install the latest version, when in fact there appears not to have been an evaluation of the latest bug correction or whatever. Well, I guess you didn't follow all the brouhaha. I don't blame you, it was quite confusing... let me try to summarize it to you: Right after 2.3.0 being made available, the dev team became aware of an issue with the digital certificates. The issue being that Seamonkey only trusted digital certificates emitted under one root for the purpose of upgrading to a new version -- and that root is scheduled to be closed, which would eventually leave current Seamonkey users accepting *no* valid certificates for future upgrades. While this particular issue wouldn't cause any problem in the day-to-day use of the product, it could cause a major disruption in future upgrades. So the dev team quickly posted 2.3.1, which added additional trusted certificates, so users wouldn't be left out in the lurch in the future. While *technically* this probably could wait for 2.4.0, in a practical sense it couldn't: not all user upgrade immediately, so it's important to get the new certificate distributed as soon and as widely as possible. Was this problem caused by an oversight by the dev team? Maybe. But they are human, and humans sometimes make mistakes. This was caught on time, though. If only that had been the only problem... A few days later, the DigiNotar mess came to fore. Basically, a Dutch certificate authority was hacked and a bunch of fake certificates in the name of major websites were issued. This was a MAJOR security problem -- those websites included Google, Mozilla and Microsoft, among others. DigiNotar totally bungled the damage control, and it became necessary to remove trust on their root certificates -- meaning that we no longer trust *any* certificate issued by them. And that was SM 2.3.2, and Firefox/Thunderbird 6.0.1. Only, the mess didn't stop. Another DigiNotar root certificate, which had previously been considered safe, came out as having been compromised too. So there was round two of certificates removal and blocking. That was SM 2.3.3, and Firefox/Thunderbird 6.0.2. Let's be clear here: the DigiNotar problems which made necessary the 2.3.2/6.0.1 and 2.3.3/6.0.2 updates were *NOT* in any way Mozilla's fault. They were caused by DigiNotar. You might ask, Why couldn't it all be done in a single update? Well, because (a) nobody knew that there would be need of a further update, and (b) at the time of each update, the issues were seen as serious enough to warrant immediate release. So I would request those who are dedicated to making SeaMonkey an ever better application to slow down and get the application more stable than it appears not be and subjected to all these constant corrections. I would also like to suggest that there be an eventual update that will over-write one of the more stable versions so that there is a higher degree of confidence in doing the simplest way of upgrading without all these specifics to have two profiles and similar update methods. As I explained, the corrections were *not* related to stability. But, in a way, the new so-called rapid-release train is already improving that. Under the new system, new features only get released after a minimum of twelve weeks (that's three months) of testing, where only bug fixes are allowed. KaiRo had a nice post explaining it a while ago... let me see if I can find it... here it is: http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-08/why_rapid_releases_can_improve_stability As for the two profiles etc., it was a one time thing, in the upgrade from SM 1.x to 2.0 -- that was necessitated due to the big changes in the profile format, and it was deemed safer to copy the profile instead of overwriting it. It was supposed to happen automatically, too. In all other cases, the default process is just to install over your current copy of Seamonkey. I never had trouble doing that. Still, some people prefer to be over-cautious and backup their profile before upgrading. It's not a bad idea, in principle; in fact, you should backup *all* your data regularly, not just your Seamonkey profile. Shit does happen. But it is not the regular upgrade process. I'll add that there is a situation where it is strongly advised to back up your profile: if you
Re: Windings not showed on a html mail
Interviewed by CNN on 08/09/2011 11:45, Ray_Net told the world: Why is it possible to specify an font(name) and SM shows on the screen the picture of the character ?. EXCEPT for the Wingdings FONT ? It works in all other browsers making Firefox incompatible with all others. Because the Gecko engine works through Unicode. It sees J, converts it to the corresponding Unicode code point, and looks up that code point in the font. Wingdings is not an Unicode font, and does not list that Unicode code point as available; therefore, Gecko falls back to another font. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Interocitor. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.3.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug in SeaMonkey.. add on fixed it but will not work with latest version...
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/7/11 1:21 PM, Ralph wrote: Ralph wrote: On Sep 5, 4:20 pm, Michael Gordonmgordo...@roadrunner.com wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:52:38 -0700, /Michael Gordon/: MCBastos wrote: I know *my* user-agent string; I was asking about the OP's one. That is the one I am talking about. The reference I gave you was from your previous reply to show it is possible. Then, what's the SeaMonkey version of the OP, Michael? What I see is: User-Agent: G2/1.0 but that tells the OP (Ralph) has posted through Google and not what's his SeaMonkey version. And that's what MCBastos already pointed out and asked the OP about his SeaMonkey User-Agent. It looks like he is using a web based mail client in which only the web based user agent will be reported in the headers. If he was using a Mozilla based mail client, or Microsoft client then the headers from the sending agent would have been recorded in the Headers strings. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Developmentwww.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... Sorry guys.. but I can not find the header string you are talking about. From Help I can get this.. Close enough?? Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/ 20110830 Firefox/6.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.3.1 When Version 2 first came out I made a bug report.. and had a similar response.. it works for (all?) most users. I have no doubt that this could be a setting in my pref file or some other obscure place that I can not find. Version 1.xx of SeaMonkey loaded some portion to make it faster... so with that my favicon issue was not apparent. Upgrading to V2.xx and the problem became apparent .. there was a add-on that mimicked the pre-load feature of V1 and that worked fine for me.. until the last two upgrades. I appreciate the comments and hope you can set me straight on how to fix this.. I use the drag favicon feature all the time to return to webpages I may have a short term interest in.. I find it much easier than using the bookmark feature Thank you Okay.. sorry about getting mixed up with the Google portion of the Usenet group. A daft moment.. that is where the links led though in my defense. Makes me more than mad actually because with the Google I needed a real email address.. which it seems has me now exposed to all the email harvesters. No doubt I will soon be swamped with spam for enhancing body parts. I suspect my problem is related to the fact I have my HD partitioned into 2 parts C and D. I keep all my operating systems on C but my data is on D. For what it is worth.. this same bug also exists with the other browsers.. Firefox, Safari and IE (although IE is intermittent and does not always bring up the error message). So.. I expect there is not much that can be done to resolve my issue.. Except to provide an update to the app that kept SeaMonkey alive. Cheers and thanks I have two actual, physical hard drives: C and D. C has all the software and recent backups of D. D has all the data and recent backups of C. (Backups are also encrypted and then archived onto a portable hard drive remote from my PC.) As I indicated three days ago, I do NOT have the problems you originally reported. Thanks David.. No sense flogging a dead horse here. I am just reporting the problem I have. Speculating that perhaps it is due to haveing two HD's (I was wrong in my previous post)My operating system is on one HD and all my the data is on the other. My profile is on C and I might see if I can move that to D. As I get an error message with other browsers as well I can not solely blame SeaMonkey. As stated before with a previously working add on the problem was circumvented. Version 2 broke that. No doubt someone with more computer savvy than I possess might be able pin point the problem.. in the meantime as the browser(s) do not work as intended I will call it a bug. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Vimeo Flash videos won't play...
in SeaMonkey 2.3.3. They do in F.F. 6.02. FlashBlock is off. Cookies have been cleared an acceptance setting is normal. A Net search mentions the problem, but not recently. A search of this group reveals nothing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Vimeo Flash videos won't play... ***FIXED***
IPC must be enabled in about:config (the plug-in container) /dev/ said: in SeaMonkey 2.3.3. They do in F.F. 6.02. FlashBlock is off. Cookies have been cleared an acceptance setting is normal. A Net search mentions the problem, but not recently. A search of this group reveals nothing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
