Re: E MAIL CRASHES ON 2.48

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
2.49.1 is currently being build but we ran into a problem with 
Lightning. The first candidate builds should work but Lightning 5.4 can 
not be installed If you do it is is broken. Fix is in the works but 
delays the version a bit unfortunately:


https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.49.1-candidates/build1/mac/en-US/ 


Works for me. (Way better than 2.48; and I don't use Lightning.) :)

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


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2.48 macOS -> crash at access to first "message"

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

just replaced 2.46 with 2.48 (US, with DE language kit on top); same 
extensions as before.


Crashed 3 times at accessing the very first mail/RSS message after 
launch (macOS address book managed to pop up the "do you allow?" dialog 
at the first one):

bp-bb8f2d91-7bb1-40fa-8aa6-f9af20170731 31.07.17 22:45
bp-8b58a7c0-f665-45f2-b754-cae570170731 31.07.17 22:25
bp-3d317b1a-a3e9-4d10-882f-9db0d0170731 31.07.17 22:24

Fell back to 2.46, which works again (just writing this post).

Ideas? (I say hints on crashes in the beta, but those messages are older 
than todays release.)


/Philipp

Now (2.46):
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:49.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Yes...  BELIEVE IT.. It's out! After so many months..  it's out!!!



Working fine so far here (including update):
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:49.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46


Thanks a lot! :)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.38 released

[Philipp van Hüllen]

John Duncan schrieb:

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

When running SM 2.38b1 - is there any reason to switch to 2.38?

I had a few strange issue in 2.38b1 that were fixed in 2.38. I'd
recommend upgrading.


Well, I did not notice much on the beta. But 2.38 does open new browser 
windows way faster then 2.38b1 (which had stuck me as "especially slow" 
in this regard; all observations on MacOS 10.10).


Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.38 released

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Edmund Wong wrote:

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.38!


When running SM 2.38b1 - is there any reason to switch to 2.38?

(I think to remember, that earlier on the last beta was practically 
equal to the release version - not 100% sure, though.)


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Re: SM 2.38 about:plugins bustage

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Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) schrieb:

Can anyone out there confirm bustage when doing about:plugins? I'm
showing only one on 2.38b. 2.37 seems ok.


Works here.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.38b1

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Edmund Wong schrieb:

Please give it a spin.


Works fine so far.
It's just, that after the SM2.35 update, I was surprised how "snappy" 
the browser felt. Now with 2.38b1 it feels a bit more sluggish again.

Especially opening a new empty browser window feels like >2 seconds.

Is there a difference between beta and release builds? (Like 
logging/debugging code options?)

I was on "2.33-last-beta-I-thought-equalled-release" beforehand.

BR/Philipp

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:41.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0 SeaMonkey/2.38
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

*cheer*


1.5 days at work (Win7) and 3rd day at home (MacOS10.10): No problem 
seen, some fixes observed, and it actually feels faster/smoother at some 
points. Nice job. :-)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

[Philipp van Hüllen]

*cheer*
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Re: Newsgroups/RSS Feeds And The LIke...

[Philipp van Hüllen]

SamuelS schrieb:

Hello My SM Guru's... my challenge today is, since installing SM 2.32 on
a Win 8.1 desktop all of my Newsgroups/RSS feeds with the exception of
SM groups have ceased working/downloading.


Reported here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1120067

Due to, ah, unhappy circumstances I reported this on the betas later 
than possible; seems it was too late for the release.



Any ideas as to what I may have done or need to do get them all going
again?


AFAIK no solution on 2.32x so far. Please follow the ticket.

BR/Philipp

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Re: No RSS in 2.32bx - [was Re: SeaMonkey 2.32b3 released]

[Philipp van Hüllen]

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1120067

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Re: No RSS in 2.32bx - [was Re: SeaMonkey 2.32b3 released]

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) schrieb:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:56:13 -0800, NoOp 
wrote:


On 01/08/2015 05:07 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/08/2015 10:43 AM, George wrote:

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.32b3.  Please give it a spin.


Please don't release this version to production.  It does not handle
RSS feeds at all.  Can't add a new RSS news group nor does SeaMonkey get
any new RSS feed articles for the groups I already have.



@Edward: Unfortunately I have to agree with George on this point.

@George: I recommend that you file a bug report. Neither SeaMonkey nor
Thunderbird seem to have a bug report regarding this:


I note that the SeaMonkey RSS feed will load:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom

However, when attempting to subscribe to the Google news RSS:
http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&output=rss

I get the following in the error console:
2015-01-08 17:45:03 Feeds   WARNsubscribeToFeed: Aborting RSS
subscription. Feed downloads already in progress


I'm really sorry, I totally messed it up to write a bug report.

See the earlier thread here with subject:
"News Reader SeaMonkey 2.32 beta 1 & 2"

Anybody to do so now, with the combined information from that thread and 
including the information Noop added? (Error messages, trials?)

Shall I?


And if you revert back to 2.31 stable?


That one works fine (for me).

/Philipp

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Re: News Reader SeaMonkey 2.32 beta 1 & 2

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

Anyone else having this problem?


Yeah, grabbed 2.31 from TimeMachine, and that one is updating at once. :-(

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Re: News Reader SeaMonkey 2.32 beta 1 & 2

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

George schrieb:


What is wrong with news reader in SeaMonkey beta 2.32?
It cannot find any new articles for any news group.

Ran with all Add-on off in safe mode, same problem.

Anyone else having this problem?


Having problems with several Feeds, which don't update any more.
(Some still do. Haven't sorted it through yet, whether there's e.g.
different protocols used.)


Update:
First guess: RSS does not work (it just claims to update and sees/shows 
no new articles), Atom seems to be okay.

Same RSS-feed-URL does work for the live-bookmarks feature.

/Philipp

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Re: News Reader SeaMonkey 2.32 beta 1 & 2

[Philipp van Hüllen]

George schrieb:


What is wrong with news reader in SeaMonkey beta 2.32?
It cannot find any new articles for any news group.

Ran with all Add-on off in safe mode, same problem.

Anyone else having this problem?


Having problems with several Feeds, which don't update any more.
(Some still do. Haven't sorted it through yet, whether there's e.g. 
different protocols used.)


/Philipp

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SM 2.29 IMAP mail folder display "off / corrupted"

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hej,

anybody seen this?
In the inbox of one of my IMAP mail folders, the mail displayed when 
selecting it, did not match the subject/header shown in the overview window.


Since other programs / devices displayed the folder correctly, I 
suspected a client problem.
I deleted INBOX and INBOX.msf from the ImapMail/ and 
redownloading the information from the server worked just fine.


First appearance in years, so far only 1 (the most used) folder in my 
account. SM 2.29, Mac OS 10.9.5 (OS just updated last week).


/Philipp
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Re: SM2.25b2 - (Some) Feeds disappeared - anybody else?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

I also ran into some issues (namely the "feed already exists" case), but
wasn't sure whether it was due to me accidentally removing some feed
folders which might have broken some connections between feed sources
and corresponding destination folders.


In my case, I'm 100% sure, I hadn't changed anything recently for weeks.


In the end I went through feeds.rdf and compared the folder paths listed
there with the actual (designated) destination folders. Whenever the
folder paths listed in feeds.rdf were different, I created any the
folder hierarchies that were missing. After that, the missing feed
sources reappeared in the Feed Subscriptions dialog, from where I could
re-associate those entries with the designated destination folders.
Finally I removed the newly created folder hierarchies and I was done.


Ah, okay, I did not delve that deep into the structures.
But I guess deleting the entries would also "rectify" the misalignment 
you describe.



Maybe there's a regression involved here. The whole feeds/subscriptions
code has been refactored quite a bit lately by the responsible TB
developer.


Seems like. One reason I posted here. (Collecting evidence.)
Maybe related to updating? Or maybe a new check (comparing folders 
stored in feeds.rdf with reality) which was not there before? So that 
folders which were redirected in the UI towards other folders (something 
I do usually to not have 1 folder per feed, but per topic/source) now 
suddenly were invalid, where checking was different/lacking beforehand 
(relying on some other place for the mapping)?
(Just a guess. My profile is... ah... really old. If there was data 
corruption in a previous release, that could have been long ago.)


I could go back into TimeMachine and check, whether the file was 
"corrupted" at the point of update, or whether the (assumed) folder 
misalignment was present beforehand.


BR/Philipp

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SM2.25b2 - (Some) Feeds disappeared - anybody else?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

summary: 2 feeds "went missing" after update. 1 could not be added 
again, since SM believed still to be subscribed to it.

Removing entries from feeds.rdf helped to be able to re-subscribe.
Anybody else?


Long version:

I updated to SM2.25b2 beginning of this week. (Directly from 
SM2.24b/latest.)


I noticed 1 folder in my Feeds section did not update since.
Today I checked the subscriptions for that folder, and SM showed there 
to be none.


I shrugged (no drama, like e.g. with missing mails; it's temporary and 
autogenerated data anyway.) and wanted to re-activate the feeds from the 
original web page. (heise.de and some sub-area of it.)


First feed went fine, was registered from browser bar quick item.
I moved the output to the desired folder, move the already downloaded 
new items, deleted the newly generated folder (not the subscription 
itself, of course) and was happy.


With the second feed, SM tells me: "feed already exists / subscribed".

I exported the list from the Mail/Feeds folder subscription management: 
Feed URL is not in there.


I went to my profile:
/Users/pvh/Library/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/XXX.default/Mail/Feeds


and feeds.rdf _does_ contain the URL.
1x as "RDF" list entry.
1x as fs:feed item. With empty "lastModified" value.

I can only assume, the UI has some different "list" of feeds, and 
accepts the new feed. But then validation in some "backend" fails, since 
it's already registered there. However, that entry in feeds.rdf does not 
make the mail component update the feed.


Actually, at this point I tried to manually delete the lines in 
feeds.rdf about the "broken" one. After a restart of SM, I could now 
re-add the feed via subscribing to it. Seems to work fine now again.


Still, something must be amiss for SM to get confused.
Was it just me (or my profile), or did anybody else see something 
similar with SM2.25b/1-2 ?


BR/Philipp

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Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Ray_Net schrieb:

When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to
someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder"
BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail
for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is
ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject.

The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the
HTML bar is absent 

Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which
will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX".


Some test results:

- When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the
  configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text).
- When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default.
  (Just as it should.)
- However, when I send, they all end up with the account default.
  (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.)
- Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table).
  Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML.
  (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's
   actual HTML content?)
- The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem.
  (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.)


I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers.
SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but 
haven't seen today.)


I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not 
notice anything until trying the above.


Ah:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) 
Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9


How's it working for others?

Philipp
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Re: Migration switch won't invoke

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Dan C schrieb:

OS: XP Pro

I am attempting to migrate profile from SM 1.1.14 to SM 2.7.2. Using the
Run command line: "C:\Program Files\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"
-ProfileManager "Dan" -migration This will only open the profile
manager. The import dialog does not appear.

Help please.


Hi Dan,

AFAIR, SM2.7.2 does not support ”upgrade" from SM1.1.14 any more.
Please try going via SM2.0.x in between.

BR/Philipp

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Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity

[Philipp van Hüllen]

nikolam schrieb:

I also observed that disk lockups on Seamonkey and Thunderbird happen
periodically and that also hangup like that with large disk access is
Always triggered in the moment when going from offline to online network
state in SM/TB.


First: I've noticed no such troublesome behavior on Mac OS X with SM, 
but my structures in messenger are rather small (3 email accounts, 2 of 
which are tiny; local folder archive; couple of feeds; 2 newsgroups).


Second: Without being a SM/TB developer, just guestimating from things 
I've seen on systems in general:
"At going online" and "periodically" sounds very much after running 
refresh cycles (i.e. polling all feeds, mails accounts, etc. pp.). 
Generally speaking: Often such things work pretty well on small systems 
even when not done in a smart way, and can get bogged down on large a 
installation.
If you can nail down "periodically" to the poll intervals you've set for 
the different account types, then the trouble shooting likely can only 
happen with insights into the code.

Do you have "new messages" after the slow down finishes?
If you have this "proof" of correlation between poll cycles and slow 
down, then the best you can do is:

- describe the dependency, and
- describe your system as accurately as you can:
  #accounts, #folders, #number messages, #size of folders, ...
- and finally note any specialties about your system.
  Especially if (disk) IO could be impacted.
  (E.g. if user home directory is local file system or network
   filesystem; maybe even filesystem type; RAID; etc. pp.)

Without knowing the code, it's hard to tell, where the time/IO is used up.
Sometimes you find easy things, which were just not coded to scale and 
can be changed in the code itself.

Sometimes you don't (when you already have efficient code).
Then something as easy as de-coupling the poll cycles of all the 
accounts may already help.
Example: I've noticed during 2011, that SM upon restart + session 
restore (windows + tabs of browser component) first sets up all tabs 
"from memory" and then iterates through the tabs with actually 
refreshing them. Beforehand it refreshed them all at once, which might 
make it unresponsive upon first startup.
So you could have a scheduler for refresh "per account / folder", which 
might seem overkill for systems with only a few of these (where a 
single/synchronous counter for all works perfectly well and is very 
efficient).


Just my 5 cents, that might be worlds off the real problem. ;-)

Best regards
Philipp
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty schrieb:

MCBastos wrote:


Also, many (many, many many...) websites have some sort of facebook
thingie on their pages. It might be just the "like" button, it might be
something more complex -- I know a few, for instance, that insert their
Facebook stream sort of like a blog.


I investigated a page/site a couple weeks ago, where a poster complained
about Facebook.

I found that each page of the site called up a facebook.com JavaScript
file -- of a quarter-megabyte worth of code.

Yes, Facebook is intrusive! Those "Like" buttons tell Facebook every
page you visit.


Yes, it's really disturbing - giving other hosters access to the IPs and 
maybe referrers of your own visitors by linking static content from 
other web sites was already considered interesting a few years ago.


Loading other people JS code, running that in your visitors browsers and 
not really telling them... that was the point, when I installed NoScript.


To mention a good initiative:
A German IT news portal torn between supporting social networks and not 
willing to do the above (for several reasons, I guess) includes 
potential link to FB/G+/Twitter, but only activates them (via JS) upon 
users demand (either case-by-case or by-default).

They do share their code, IIRC.

See:
http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/2-Klicks-fuer-mehr-Datenschutz-1333879.html
http://www.heise.de/extras/socialshareprivacy/

Sorry, I did not find an English version of the pages; the international 
branch uses pure links (no JS) to interact with the social networks...
... maybe something that could be requested from them, if anybody's 
interested.



Best regards
Philipp
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Re: Question About Uninvited Transmissions While Viewing Newspaper On Line

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Paul schrieb:

All the blockers in the world won't do any good if you
open the door and invite the trackers in.
Delete your FB and all Google accounts.
Always use fake names and throw away accounts.
Turn off JS.
Turn off html for email.


Well, yes, that's the very secure way.

There may be ways in between - for example my SM runs with NoScript (as 
explained elsewhere) and I never use it to login to FB.
If you want to access FB, you can do that via a separate profile or 
browser. I run FB in Firefox, where I do nothing else than FB 
(communication, following events, etc.).
Thus, they can store all the cookies they like but cannot relate that to 
the browsing I do in SM.


Sadly, FB (amongst other reasons) has dried out some local forums, so 
it's hard to complete ignore it.


That's the sort of grey-compromise I run between black and white. ;-)

BR/Philipp
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Re: Difficulty in forwarding mail with graphic or photo.

[Philipp van Hüllen]

HilsB schrieb:

Running Imac and latest version of SM.


OS X (SM2.6b2) here as well, but I can check tomorrow on Vista (SM2.5) 
as well.



To forward a mail which includes any type of graphic I have to invoke
(very top line) Options > Format > Rich text HTML. Which only appears in
'Reply' mode.


For me, this option exists in both modes, _if_ I start with an HTML 
version of the message. If I start with my default (compose: text), then 
the content is anyway reduced to text and the option is missing altogether.

If I change the default or shift-click on reply/forward, it's always there.

However, the HTML-reply version actually contains the pictures, the 
HTML-forward version does not!


Difference in HTML-source (taken from saved "draft" versions):

reply, multi-part encoded, with pictures:


forward, no multi-part, no pictures:
height="960" width="1280">




This started to occurs about a month ago. I've checked all the
"Preferences" they appear OK. Any help appreciated.


I cannot comment on that, just tried.


Much prefer SM over all other mail/browsers - thanks to all at SM


Here as well.

BR/Philipp

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Re: Archive folder?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Keith Whaley schrieb:

The other day I noticed a new folder in my SM lineup called Archives.

What caused that to show up? Was it part of v.2.5 SM and I never noticed
it until now?

 From time to time, I notice new messages in there, in sub-folders
titled 2011 or 2012. I don't recall setting up rules to move messages
there.
What's going on, please?

Thanks, keith whaley


I don't use this feature, but there is an archiving function (Message -> 
Archive; Shift-A). I would assume it stores the messages as you describe.


Maybe you pressed Shift-A involuntarily while having any message selected?

BR/Philipp
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Re: Seamonkey 2.6 speed on Mac

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Geoff Welsh schrieb:

How silly of me to forget to try Safari. (trying Safari)
Crap! I got a 2 on that also. Oh great, Opera got a 19.


Which Safari version did you use? Mine is 5.1.2 (Lion, current).


Is the "7/7 OpenGL" you have vs. my "3/3 OpenGL" my big problem?


No, that's just the number of windows out of all open windows, which 
support OpenGL (as I understand).



or my NVIDIA GeForce 9400M OpenGL Engine -- 2.1 NVIDIA-1.6.36?
GW
2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo


CPU isn't the problem - I expect you either have an older Safari version 
lacking the HW support or maybe Apple did not implement the driver/HW 
support for some older GPU models.


BR/Philipp
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Re: Seamonkey 2.6 speed on Mac

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Geoff Welsh schrieb:

http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/

I get a score of 2 on SM, FF, on Camino
Google Chrome scores a 5

and iCab got a 14. Umm yeah, 14.


Ah, yes, on my MBP 13" (Core i5 2k-something, integrated graphics, 
Lion), it's 4-5 fps for SM (2.7b2) and FF (9.0.1).


Safari easily does 60+ on the same machine, so this is very much a 
question of browser-driver-HW optimization, as Robert wrote.

Not about the scripting engine speed...

BR/Philipp



PS (about:support, practically the same for SM and FF):

Grafik
Vendor-ID8086
Geräte-ID0126
WebGL-Renderer	Intel Inc. -- Intel HD Graphics 3000 OpenGL Engine -- 2.1 
APPLE-7.14.5

GPU-beschleunigte Fenster7/7 OpenGL

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Re: black images

[Philipp van Hüllen]

jan272 schrieb:

Apparently it is a local problem. Today I found a clue: when a picture
appears as a black rectangle, it is ALWAYS a picture that is defined
as in

   

where p and q are different from the real size of the image.

Does this ring a bell to anyone?


No bell here.

One thing which might be involved, is a rather new development 
(especially considering your recent upgrade path), is known to have 
issues here and there _and_ is dependent on both OS and HW of the 
machine SM runs on is HW based acceleration of rendering the UI.


So you might try to disable HW acceleration, if it's turned on:
Settings -> Appearance -> Content -> HW acceleration

You can check which graphics driver is in use at the bottom of:
about:support


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Re: Sorting for email and newsgroups

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Desiree schrieb:

I spoke too soon. SeaMonkey CONSTANTLY changes all the settings. I set one
Identity/Account as I want the sorting to be. I move to another Identity or
to a newsgroup and I set the sorting as I want it. I do this for all
Identities and newsgroups. Then I go back to the first Identity and
everything has been changed. I fix it again. I go to the next Identity and
it is all changed.

All I do in SeaMonkey mail is fix the settings. I can't stand this.


There must be something wrong with your installation or profile.
For me (both at work and at home, different OS; also read the same from 
other posters here) every single folder remembers it's settings.


So, while you cannot globally set it to me knowledge, the procedure you 
describe (fixing every folder ones) should work.

Must be some bug or data corruption, that it does not so for you.

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Re: email: embed URL

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JS@gwu schrieb:

Hi,

Being a newbie to Seamonkey email client. I have yet to find the
solutions to the following to:

1) link a URL to text or picture,  In most mail clients, one could
easily use  L or in Mac  L hotlink text or image with
an URL. Is there  not an equivalent in Seamonkey?


This depends on what mode you are in:

Mac: -L works fine for me, but with text selected and without (did 
not try with a picture) - but only in HTML mode.
The whole Insert-menu (for HTML elements like graphics, tables, etc. pp. 
is only available here.


In text-compose mode, those things don't exist, thus, no option to 
insert them.

Here you can just paste the URL you want to reference directlty like this:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Note, that while composing, you can switch from HTML to text via Options 
- Format, but not vice versa.
The starting format is selected via preferences and can be changed 
per-message via Shift-Click on the reply/forward buttons.



2) copy multiple email address from display (while reading an email)
and paste to another in Compose mode.


I think this was discussed recently. Cannot remember, whether there was 
a conclusion.


What I sometimes do is a work-around to "Edit message as new" -E 
and then to simply change the subject and body.

(-A,  for both, to quickly clear them.)
This gives you the same TO/CC/BCC list like the mail you start with.

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Re: Adding Email Acct Problems...

[Philipp van Hüllen]

No schrieb:

Thank you for the solution, it worked, although not sure about it.. we
shall see if my newsgroups are broken now! ;-)


Don't think so - had the some problem some months ago, and since the fix 
it's been fine.
As I understood, under some circumstances, the setup of a newsgroup 
account was not set to completed, which prohibits new accounts to be 
added. The fix just marks the existing account(s) as "completely setup", 
which makes SM again behave as it should.


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Re: Is there a definitive list of all the about: entries?

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Robert Gault schrieb:

The subject pretty much says it all but just to avoid confusion, I want
the acceptable entries as search terms in the browser, about:xx .
What/where is the list of all legal xx entries.


about:about

/Philipp
(I guess one of my shortest answers anywhere ever.)
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Re: Where is icon "Show Remote Content"?

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Arnie Goetchius schrieb:

Turned off AVG but no help. Upon further investigation, the emails in
question don't even display in HTML, just straight text with many URL's.
In 2.0.14, the emails display in HTML and the "Allow Remote Content"
icon does show up. In 2.5, all I see is text, no HTML so I figure I have
to get that fixed first. Any ideas?


Please check the setting in:

View -> Message Body -> HTML / Text

When viewed as text only, you neither get HTML, nor does it make sense 
to load any pictures, which is why loading remote content is not an 
option here.


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Re: Sortable table in Seamonkey

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Jim Taylor schrieb:

hhgygy wrote:

Sorry, if it has already been discussed: In the latest Seamonkey
version it seems that something has gone wrong with sortable tables.
I have a specific example:
http://kritikustomeg.org/szinesz.php?aid=142
This table seems to be sortable at the table headers both in Chrome
and in Firefox 7
In Seamonkey it is not sortable
Can someone check it for me or tell why?


Works for me SeaMonkey 2.4.1 Windows 7. Hover over header gives "Click
to sort". Clicking on header sorts on that column, clicking again sorts
in other direction.


Same here (SM2.5b2, Mac OS 10.7), works fine.
The sorting needs JavaScript support though - maybe that's disabled in 
your SM installation?


R/Philipp

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Re: Google "MapsGL"

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David E. Ross schrieb:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110923 SeaMonkey/2.4

I had no problem viewing, moving, or zooming the map.  On the other
hand, Google has a problem with how it mapped parks in my community,
showing one park too large and two parks far too small.


Ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit about the issue:
The "normal" Maps application works fine for me as well.

However, Google is introducing a beefed up version using WebGL, thus 
calling the new feature MapsGL.
That new version currently is only presented to some latest Chrome 
version and FF8.0 (which SM2.5 includes by default in the user agent 
string - and please no discussion about that topic here).
With those browsers you get prompted "want to try something new" at the 
left bottom corner.


When I try to (try something new), they seemingly perform some kind of 
check which fails for my installation.


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Re: Bookmark importing

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Ken schrieb:

The file size of Bookmarks.html appears to be identical, yet the
bookmarks do not appear to be the same when I open up the Manage
Bookmarks in SeaMonkey. What am I overlooking?? Is there another file
besides Bookmarks.html controlling the bookmarks? Thanks.


The bookmarks.html is no longer the actual storage of the bookmarks.
This is now: places.sqlite
(Which also contains other URL-information other than bookmarks.)

The bookmarks.html is written to disk as an optional support feature for 
people / scripts still using it.


I have not worked much with bookmarks lately, but within the bookmark 
manager there seem to be options for HTML import/export in the extras menu.


I'm sure there's documentation about it out there, if you need more 
details. AFAIR, Change happened from 2.0 -> 2.1, so I would look at the 
SM2.1 release notes about it.


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Google "MapsGL"

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I tried to use the new Google "MapsGL" with SM2.5b2. The browser is 
recognized as potentially capable, but after a testrun (no visible 
effect, just CPU spikes for some 10+ seconds) they tell me, my 
configuration is not supported.

(SM2.4/FF7 will not even get the option to try the "new feature".)

http://maps.google.com/gl

My graphics (from about:support) is:
  Intel Inc. -- Intel HD Graphics 3000 OpenGL Engine -- 2.1 APPLE-7.12.9
on MacOS 10.7 / Core i5 2xxx inbuilt graphics.

The information Google links about supported/unsupported configurations 
is focusing on Chrome, so no help for me.


Anything I can do about it, or should I just leave it be?

Best regards
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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols / fix in 2.5b2

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Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit :

I am presented with a selectable base character and then all
composite variants thereof : I know of nothing similar in the various
Windows IMEs that approaches this in simplicity, so for me it would
be /very/ convenient to be able to "Insert characters and features" in
exactly the same way that those who elect to compose in HTML can do.
There would seem to be no /a priori/ justification for restricting this
feature to mails composed in HTML.


I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is
dysfunctional in my SM.


Unrelated to the original issue discussed, but to spread the good news 
(it was also mentioned in the 2.5b2 posts tonight):


The HTML-context-Insert-menu-special-character dialogue is working in 
2.5b2 (was not for me in 2.4.1, Mac OS 10.7; don't know about 2.5b1, as 
I skipped it due to vacation).


BR/Philipp

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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in
the code:
 :-) 


How did you view that ? Try as I might, I cannot find
a "view source" option that allows me to see the HTML
being generated ...


Save the draft, go to the draft folder, view source.

BR/Philipp

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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:

Lucas Levrel wrote:

Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit :


Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and
symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to
insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ?


I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to
take care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way
to produce Unicode chars in *any* application.


(composed in HTML mode, just to see what the effect of this "Insert
characters and features" is)

I am presented with a selectable base character and then all
composite variants thereof : I know of nothing similar in the various
Windows IMEs that approaches this in simplicity, so for me it would
be /very/ convenient to be able to "Insert characters and features" in
exactly the same way that those who elect to compose in HTML can do.
There would seem to be no /a priori/ justification for restricting this
feature to mails composed in HTML.


I currently cannot check this for 100%, as this Insert-option is 
dysfunctional in my SM.
However, since it's specifically in the HTML-insert menu, I'm pretty 
sure it does not create Unicode, but HTML-code.
When I enter a :-) from that very same menu, that's what SM puts in the 
code:

 :-) 

So I would expect something like Ü to be create by that option.

Having HTML-options only available in HTML mode makes a very good sense.

However, it leaves the issue of Unicode open (see also my other post on 
this thread).


BR/Philipp

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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Lucas Levrel schrieb:

Le 6 octobre 2011, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) a écrit :


Yes, /Unicode/ plain text. It has characters and
symbols. Why am I denied access to an easy way to
insert them, just because I eschew HTML e-mail ?


I think the rationale (if any) would be that your OS is supposed to take
care of that. If it supports Unicode, it should provide you a way to
produce Unicode chars in *any* application.


There's actually a related point I stumbled upon recently.
I'm operating on MacOS 10.7 and SM and FF versions are latest-release 
(2.4.1, 7.0.1).


When I edit text (text editor fields for both applications, composing 
mails/HTML/.../whatever in SM), I have an option in FF I don't have in SM:


Edit -> Special Characters (?) (It's Bearbeiten -> Sonderzeichen in 
FF/German)

(It's the bottom most entry for me.)

This opens an OS dialogue, which allows to select a very wide range of 
(UTF?) characters. (I get the same dialogue in various applications, 
when choosing the same menu item, so I assume it's MacOS specific with 
command option Alt-Cmd-t.)


SM does not offer this option to me.

This is totally unrelated to the previously discussed "Insert" menu, 
which only exists as a thing during HTML edit mode (and is a SM 
selector, as is obvious by the UI).


Is this a missing feature or some just some "UI/menu porting" issue 
(FF->SM, *->MacOS)?


At least on that OS, this would satisfy likely any need for special 
characters in any context (for editing text).


Best regards
Philipp

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Re: Language pack does not update automatically on Seamonkey update

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Michal Svoboda schrieb:

I have the following problem for a number of update releases now.

1. I update seamonkey (using the packaging system of my Linux distribution)
2. Start new seamonkey
3. Seamonkey says that it needs to check the update
compatibility/availability/whatever of the Czech language pack
4. Seamonkey says it could NOT find that and it starts in english
5. I go to the seamonkey download site, download and install the
language pack manually and everything is okay


Just to add: same for me, using:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 
Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1


I recently use the SM internal update mechanism, so step 1 and OS 
environment do not seem to be relevant.


Steps 2-5 are the same for me.

For normal updates I don't bother much. To re-install the language packs 
for the recent frequent 2.y.z (where I guess, usually the packs will be 
1:1 the same, just re-packaged for the minimally updated release), this 
is a bit annoying.


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Re: Manual update return: "Something is trying to trick Seamonkey ...."

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jim schrieb:

xp sp2
Seamonkey 2.2

When manually checking for updates, i get:

"Something is trying to trick Seamonkey into accepting an insecure update.
Please contact your network provider and seek help."

Does anyone know what that is all about?


I remember, that 2.3.1 had an update of certificates related to update 
procedures, since the old once were being replaced soon. (And sooner 
expiring than originally expected by developers.)


http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.3/changes#fixes231

Could be the old ones have expired in the meantime?

In that case, manual download of SM 2.3.1 or any newer should bring you 
back to automatic updates.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.4 and Mac OS 10.6.8

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Paul Bergsagel schrieb:

Has anyone else found that SeaMonkey 2.4 is not all that stable. It
crashes at least once an hour.


It's working perfectly stable for me. (On MacOS 10.7.1.)
I got few add-ons and the usual mix of plug-ins.
(Though I keep those - especially Flash - pretty up to date.)

I did not check the memory usage yet. Though I do get the impression, 
that Lion as such sucks in this regard...


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Re: Potential Issues with SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (and Firefox 7.0.1)

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MCBastos schrieb:

Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2011 16:23, NoOp told the world:


I've had no issues with that in SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (linux) so far. BTW:
that preference (browser.urlbar.trimURLs) doesn't exist in mine.


AFAIK this has not been implemented in Seamonkey yet (if it ever will,
that is... SM users don't seem to care much for it), only in Firefox.


Ah, well, I do care and I do want to see the complete protocol and URL 
the browser (and the remote side) is processing.

So the current SM status is perfectly fine for me and should not be changed.

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Re: Trash Folder

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Danny Kile schrieb:

Creating an e-mail composer saves the message every 5 minutes to prevent
lost. However, after sending it there will be a message created in the
trash folder for every 5 minutes that passed. So if you took 20 minutes
to create an e-mail there will be 4 message with the same name in the
trash folder. So is this a bug or what?

Thank you for any help in this matter!


I always considered this a feature, since it gives you a history of the 
typing of a mail. (Somewhat like every-5-minutes-saved-revision-history.)

E.g. you could restore text you deleted at some point during typing.

Since the old files are automatically marked for deletion, they usually 
should not pose any problems.


One exception might be, if you attach large files, do this at the 
beginning of writing and then get plenty of copies of those.
Especially with IMAP folders and (rather) slow uplink speeds this might 
make you attach large files only just before sending.

(Including the 1:10 chance to forget the attachments.)

Just my 5 cents...

Philipp
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Re: Pictures Source Code for secure website

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Candy Loehr schrieb:

When I use Sea Monkey to insert a picture into the html file, it
displays the entire code for the picture location. When uploaded to my
website, the error message occurs "source code needs to be modified
for security". Is there something that I need to download or update
that will automatically shorten the source code?
I have kept a snippet of code in my toolbox but it would be nice to
not have to worry about it.


I assume you create a page in Composer?

When inserting a picture, you have the option (directly under the text 
box for the location of the picture) to select, that the path towards 
the picture should be relative to the HTML file you are currently editing.


For this option to be available, the HTML file must already be saved to 
disk. (Otherwise there is no location the Composer can relate the path 
towards the picture to, thus no relative link.)


Is this, what you are looking for?

Best regards
Philipp

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.1?

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NoOp schrieb:

Per the Thawte instructions, I use on IE on Windows to manage my certs.
Does this means that anyone running on a Mac or on Linux is left out in
the cold?


There is no impact on using SM, except for the process when SM checks 
itself for updates.



Right... Does mozilla.org not have a valid cert? You guya are now adding
GeoTrust&  Thawte certs so that you can do SeaMonkey updates?


As Justin explained, they don't have a valid certificate, but several. 
That's the point. ;-)

This is about root(!) certificates.


Not being a SM developer, but from reading the posts and the bug:
This change does not affect any certificate handling in SM for normal 
operation. It does not affect user certificates, web site certificates, 
email certificates, or whatsoever.


It's just about having 3 (instead of 1) "root"(!) certificate being 
allowed to sign valid certificates for servers (I assume) holding the 
information about updates.


It may always happen that the issuer of a root certificates has any kind 
of problems (financial, security, physically, politically...) so having 
more than one alternative "root" is a good precaution in itself.
When Justin states, that they already have changed their certification 
authority for their new own certificates, than this change is critically 
important. How urgent it is, you only know, when looking at the expiry 
dates of the old ones. ;-)


So, this is a trivial change (from code point of view) with no direct 
user impact except for ensuring the reception of updates in the 
coming... months, I guess.



That's exactly what Robert wrote.
So, what's the point?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.1?

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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb:

Hey,hey! How does the existence and release of SM 2.3.1 square with the
firm promise/policy not to issue any third level: patches, fixes, updates?
Shouldn't this fix have been held for a future 2.x release?
How does this play into the code changes being tested as 2.4?
:-) :-) ;-)
Are we seeing here an unheralded policy shift? back to reality?
Perhaps a return to, at least, error fix patches, via third level
of the release numbering scheme?
i.e. stabilize 2.x via a series of 2.x.n before releasing the
planned 2.x+1 ?


Come on. I'm not involved in the project except as a user.
They always stated, that anything critical enough _will_ get a hot-fix 
release.


And people not being able to get updates compared to this trivial 
(code!) change seems reasonable to release ASAP not to get anybody stranded.
(Though knowing, when the certificates would expire might make this 
decisions easier. *g*)


BR/Philipp
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Re: Can Google-Analytics be bypassed?

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sean nathan bean schrieb:

d...@kd4e.com sent me the following::

Is the file to which this is added /etc/hosts ?

so what's the point of hosts.deny ? or do we need both?


Some light into the darkness:

/etc/hosts on Linux (and practically all Unix based OSs I know) has a 
locally defined IP <-> hostname mapping.
It is used during (reverse) address resolution, usually before 
consulting DNS.


On most (client) systems (e.g. typical PCs/netbooks/...) these days, it 
usually comes pre-defined by OS setup routines, contains the localhost 
loopback interface and maybe the hostname of the actual host itself.
All other hosts/domain names would be resolved via DNS, where most 
clients get to know their DNS server via DHCP. "Plug and play."


However, the file can still be used for different purposes, like local 
addresses (when you don't run an on DNS server at home but want to call 
your other PCs by names - that's e.g. what mDNS/Bonjour try to fix the 
pnp-way). Or for limited amounts of hosts, where you want to be 
independent of DNS - e.g. for availability or security reasons.

There might even be machines, you don't want to talk to DNS at all.
Or environment, where no DNS is available.

To use the file to re-direct traffic to non-existent hosts is a bit 
against it's intention (it's supposed to help find hosts, not to not 
find them), but works perfectly fine, since the resolution here takes 
precedence over DNS.
If you would be running an own (not only-caching) DNS server at 
home/work, you could consider re-directing the domains here - it would 
work nearly the same. (Except it would effect all machines using that 
DNS while the /etc/hosts always stays with the machine, even if you move 
to other networks and use their DNS servers.)



As for the /etc/hosts.deny - it's unrelated to IP resolution, so unless 
you know what it is for, forget about it in this context or even altogether.

If you are interested, ask the Google-joker.
Or check, what "man " yields on your system.
(That's usually safer than guessing what people might have thought 
during the last 30 years of Unix-like system development. Those people 
can be a bit un-intuitive and for sure don't like typing a lot so don't 
expect overly "speaking" names for things.)



Best regards
Philipp
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Re: Blog Feed Subscriptions - What Qualifies?

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d...@kd4e.com schrieb:
> This one also fails:
>
> http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/

Hi,

I think your problem is, that you directly try to subscribe to the blogs 
via the Messenger/Feed component, but you specify the URL of the 
web-page, which is delivering the normal HTTP/HTML version of the web page.

(=What you see in the browser.)

It will be usually another script on the server, or the same script but 
with another option, which will deliver the actual RSS.


What you should do (unless you want to guess the needed URLs) is:

- Open the URLs you posted in the browser.
- Select the/one RSS feed by the orange feed symbol in the address
  location bar.
- A "preview" of the feed will be displayed, the URL now in the
  address bar is the actual URL you are looking for.
- Add it to your Feed account from there.
  (Or copy&paste it from here.)

Examples:

HTML:
http://nevils-station.com/blogs/blog6.php
Feed:
http://nevils-station.com/blogs/blog6.php?tempskin=_rss2

HTML:
http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/
Feed:
http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/feed/

BR&HTH
Philipp
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Re: New Seamonkey, new bug

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Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

I have the feeling, there is more... "space" around some headings /
border lines and some pop-up-select-bottoms seem bigger...
... will try now, what happens, when I revert back to SM2.2.


Was already the same with SM2.2 (same profile).

Since the re-size works (didn't know that) that's at least not critical.

BR/Philipp


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Re: New Seamonkey, new bug

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:

What I found instead was that the dialogue box was
not fully visible (see screenshot) --


https://picasaweb.google.com/110725905659537251822/ScreenCaptures?authkey=Gv1sRgCPLV3Kvwm6zA5QE#5641846908634081906

whatever is intended to appear below "Saved Password"
is cut off by the lower edge of the dialogue box.

Surely dialogue boxes should check how big they
will need to be before presenting themselves to
a user ?


Well, that one works for me fine.
(Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110806 
Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3; German locale)


But I have a similar issue on "Mail and Newsgroup Account settings", any 
account, "Copies and Folders" -> also cut at the bottom.


I have the feeling, there is more... "space" around some headings / 
border lines and some pop-up-select-bottoms seem bigger...

... will try now, what happens, when I revert back to SM2.2.

I'll keep you updated.

BR/Philipp
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Re: Tab Groups

[Philipp van Hüllen]

So we should all celebrate an environment, where people can work with or 
without tabs, windows, etc. pp. With bookmarks or address collection.

Anybody as (s)he likes.
Let's hope, most things stay optional in the future still. :-)


BR/Philipp
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Re: Seamonkey2 - themes issues

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Barry Edwin Gilmour schrieb:

The "left-click open/restore" and "drag and drop" divider-grippies, have
been and remain, a valued part and parcel of the Linux SeaMonkey Modern
themed user-experience.
I can't remember any dysfunction in the nightly explosive development
editions (Well, maybe once a good many years ago, when Neil had to fix
them).
I can assert that they are still OK in Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
rv:8.0a1) Gecko/20110813 SeaMonkey/2.5a1 ID:20110813003053 (Caveat:
Trunk nightlies destroy stuff.)


I did not know about the left-click to minimize/return for years now 
(good to know), but it does work here:


User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:6.0) 
Gecko/20110806 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3

(beta3)

Theme: built-in SM-modern (which I use since a long time now).

BR/Philipp
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Re: Is there a way to have SM v2.0.14+ automatically open web sites at/after a specific date and time?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Ant schrieb:

On 8/12/2011 1:24 PM PT, Ant typed:

Then use scheduled tasks in the control panel to run
seamonkey.exe -url [whatever]
at the dates/times desired


Ooh, not a bad idea. I will try that later. Thanks! :)


It works nicely in Windows. Will this parameter still work in other OS'
like Linux and Mac OS X too?


I'm pretty sure I saw this working on Solaris/Linux often enough.

On MacOS 10.7 / SM2.3b3  I currently don't get it to run:

/Applications/SeaMonkey.app/Contents/MacOS/seamonkey-bin -url www.heise.de

-> yields a pop-up, which tells me, that only one instance of SM can be 
running at any time...
(Same for -new-tab/-new-window options, and though -no-remote implies 
adding another tab/window to a running instance should be the default.)


BR/Philipp
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Re: Unread message virtual folder

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Alberto S. schrieb:

Hello,
I wonder if there is a way to set up a virtual folder containing only unread 
messages for all my email accounts.


Yes, there is.
(Menu entries are translated back to English
be me, but it should be clear what to do.)

- Select any folder in the left pane overview.
- Select "Search Messages..." from the "Extras" menu.
- Set the selection criteria to
  Status  -  is not  -  read
  (Don't care yet about the path where to search.
   At this point it does not seem to be possible to search across
   accounts yet.)
  Search some.
- Select "Save as search folder".
- Now name the whole thing e.g. "all unread messages".
- And here you can select where to search for messages:
  - Browse... to select any(!) combinations of folder you want.
(Worked for me across IMAP accounts, local accounts, RSS feeds, and
 newsgroup accounts. All news in one place.)
- Double check the search criteria.
- Create.

Voilà!

There are more options to it (like online search for IMAP accounts, 
...), but that's tweaking. ;-)
You can later change items via the "Properties" entry of the created 
search folder.


I guess other programs may be better in advertising this function (I had 
actually not used it before), but I remembered that the good old message 
search function did at some time gain the feature to create "saved 
searches". Seems fully implemented (though with minimal UI changes, 
which makes it a bit hidden).

From there it was not that hard to find...
:-)

Good luck!


Philipp

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Re: Setting Wrap

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Arnie Goetchius schrieb:

When I set the wrap at 74 characters, the message wraps correctly when
I'm typing it. However, when I send it to the news group it does not
wrap when I view it. Is there something I can do about that in
Preferences or about:config?


Interesting point.

When you look at the source code of your posting, it's actually wrapped 
there. (Should be Strg-U on Windows.)


However, the content type is set to

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
  ^

which makes the reader(!) display it with stitching the lines back together.
The last message from "nr" does not have this tag, and shows accordingly.

It's the same with my postings, I just checked.
I have not found the setting to change this - however, there is a 
about:config entry, which smells like this:


mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed

which does the trick (confirmed with the local copies of drafts of this 
posting). "true" (flow is on) is the default value.


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Re: Composer - Lose my ASCII characters when saving

[Philipp van Hüllen]

TheFunnySide schrieb:

First up, this is probably an exceptionally stupid question and for
that I apologise.  I'm new to Seamonkey Composer  however and I just
can't understand why I'm having trouble adding say© in HTML
source view and getting it to STAY when I hit 'Save'.  When I do save
the document, it reverts in the HTML Source to the copyright symbol.
Where's the sense in that? The whole point of manually editing the
HTML Source code is that *I* want to dictate what the code should be?

Am I missing a setting in preferences or something or will this always
be a problem with using Seamonkey to edit HTML? :-(

Zoe


I just tried, and for me (SM2.2, MacOS X10.6, German locale) it works:

- I enter "©" in the source view.
- Upon saving, it automatically switches to normal view.
  Here it shows "©".
- Going back to source view, it's still "©".

I tried this repeatedly, still works.

BTW - if I type "©" in normal/tag view, I get "©" in source 
view, as you would expect.


In Preferences -> Composer there is an option to retain source 
formatting upon saving. It's off for me, but I remember sometimes being 
annoyed by that function (rare user of composer, not really the last 
years for own writing - just for editing). Maybe this might help you.

(For arcane reasons, since I have it off - but might be worth the attempt.)

Otherwise I checked about:config for search string: "editor". I got only 
defaults except paths/... and 1 option which is related to "" 
insertion on "".

So, I'd expect this to be the same for you?

Just speculating - could this be "font encoding" related?
My version chooses "charset=ISO-8859-1" as default.


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Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Example:


The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine.


Shows fine for me. (SM2.2, MacOS X, "usual" plug-ins, nothing special).


Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label,
in case that's any help.


I had a brief look, and the thing is heavy with JavaScript.
All the UI / user interaction is handled by this.

No clue, how they get the actual map displayed, but it looks more like 
"advanced HTML + scripting" than "magic plug-ins".


Otherwise - if SM1.1.18 does display the thing (as posted before), the 
HMTL cannot be too advanced. (Canvas or other recent additions from 
"HTML5". ;-)


Do you disable JavaScript?

BR/Philipp
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Re: SM2.1, Feeds - not able to re-subscribe after manual folder clean-up - FIXED

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

Hi,

I had subscribed to a Feed a few days ago via the SM2.1 internal Feed
reader as part of the messenger.

Today, after restarting SM, I had 2 folders present, both with the same
funny name extension, both without any content.
I checked the subscription settings - both folders contained no
subscription.

So I deleted the first folder inside messenger. I first had to purge the
trash, to delete the other one as well (duplicate name).
That folder re-appeared after restart of SM.
So I stopped SM, went to the profile, wiped all associated files, and
restarted again.
(Reference:
/Users/XXX/Library/Application
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/YYY.default/Mail/Feeds )

Now messenger is clean again. (No folders, no subscriptions for that feed.)

However, re-subscribing does not work - it complains "already subscribed".

I "grepped" about:config and the profile directory, no hits - where can
I find and eliminate that reference?


Since problem persisted, I had another look:
It seems the feed identity and even plenty of feed items were still 
present in


/Users/XXX/Library/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/YYY.default/Mail/Feeds/feeds.rdf and

.../feeditems.rdf

I removed the entries in feeds.rdf (1 entry in the list of feeds and the 
feed itself), and now I can re-subscribe. :-)


(No clue, why I did not find those entries the last time I searched for 
them...)


I'm not sure, why the feed was not shown in the "manage subscriptions" 
list - maybe because the containing folder did not exist?


Best regards
Philipp

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Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

hoping we can put this topic to rest,


And hoping for some rest for myself - sorry for all the typos in the 
previous post...

/Philipp

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Re: Will there be security updates for 2.1?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Rufus schrieb:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Hopefully that model will not become the standard for more flexible OS.
Tabs for window, then what, subtabs where we normally have tabs now?
Love separate windows, I can move them onto separate desktops, even
separate monitors on some systems.



I can totally agree with you. And what if I want to do something like
open two Word documents side by side to cut/paste/compare? How do I do
that in a "full screen app" environment/interface? Apple does do
seperate desktop Spaces - but only assignable to each app...so all Word
docs would go to Space 1, for ex. So that's not going to work...and yeah
- what do you do with multiple monitors? *Can* you still even use
multiple monitors?..

I'm an Apple *disciple*, and I think they've really screwed up with this
idea. At least I can go look at it in an Apple store before I make my
mind up completely about it, but from some of the user comments I read
on Macintouch I don't anticipate that Lion is going to roar for me.



Ah, excuse me, I have not trialed the 10.7-pre-releases.
But from what I read and saw, the new full-screen is optional:
You have your normal desktop, spaces (=virtual desktops), and windows as 
before.
When you want, you can zoom application adapted for this into 
full-screen mode. If you don't, you don't.


http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/full-screen.html

(And note the previews depicts MB Air models - not the Cinema display or 
iMacs - full screen is good for small screen, not for huge ones.)


The whole thing will be held together by the advanced "application UI 
browsing":

http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/mission-control.html

Here you navigate "widgets", normal windows, virtual desktops (based on 
windows, not applications) and full screen applications.

Sounds like new options, not a complete crapping of the UI.

Windows did this since the beginning - usually used by games, but any 
application could to so there. As do "full screen video playback" 
programs on all OS. And there is a "Kiosk" mode for FF...


It may be, that some applications will internally restructure due to 
that - but it's not, that 10.7 Lion ships "without window manager".
I'm sure, nobody will kill the productivity and flexibility gained by 
using the window concept.
However, if Apple wants to get customers they acquired via iOS to buy 
MacOS, they might want to offer them a bridge...


To me not too far off-topic: I'm pretty sure SM does not have to change 
a thing for the UI to be fully operational. Maybe Kiosk mode can be 
mapped to "full screen" icon/button, but that's about anything I'd expect.


Best regards

Philipp,
hoping we can put this topic to rest, wait for released software and 
rant only after we have tried it. Thanks. :-)

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Re: FF 5.0.1 - mapping to SM 2.2?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb:

On 7/13/2011 4:50 PM, Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

Hi,

is a SM 2.2.1 planned with the Mac OS 10.7 (and 10.5 Java) related fixes
included in FF 5.0.1?

I don't think, I will jump to 10.7 ASAP, but I'd feel better, if I
could. ;-)
(Though SM 2.3 might be out already, when I move...)


At this point, considering the complications in shipping a 2.2.1 to mac
only, we feel it is in our best interests to not ship a 2.2.1 just for
these issues.


Perfectly fine, considering the likely "release effort".
(Building, testing, documenting, distributing.)

Especially considering those bugs not to be too critical and I guess 
that 10.7.1 might be a better starting point than 10.7 anyway. ;-)



2.3b1 will hopefully be out soon, and we plan to direct 10.7 SeaMonkey
users at that (or 2.3 itself). If our metrics report contrary to our
assumptions here, we may revisit this choice, but for the time being
that is as we choose.


Sounds sensible. And good to know, you had/have a plan.


We are not precluding the choice to build from source yourself with
those fixes of course!


Ah, thanks for the offer.
My internal feasibility study currently results in: In case I'd had time 
I'd be interested. ;-)


Thanks again for the answers
Philipp

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FF 5.0.1 - mapping to SM 2.2?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

is a SM 2.2.1 planned with the Mac OS 10.7 (and 10.5 Java) related fixes 
included in FF 5.0.1?


I don't think, I will jump to 10.7 ASAP, but I'd feel better, if I 
could. ;-)

(Though SM 2.3 might be out already, when I move...)


Regards
Philipp
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.2 Release

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Just to mention, that for me 2 SM2.2 (auto-)updates (Windows Vista and 
Mac OS 10.6.8) went fine the last day, based on SM2.1 installations.


I'm actually still maintaining mail folders (well, "keeping them in 
direct access archive mode" would be more precise) with mails from 1997 
without having at any time in between the need to actively convert 
something.
(Though changing OS in between a few times. Solaris (university), Win9x, 
Linux, WinXP, Solaris+Win2k+Vista (at work), Mac OS 10.4 -> 10.6. And HW 
(Sparc, i86, UltraSparc, PowerPC, i86 again) too.) It's somehow always 
been there...

(Including some predecessors maybe...)

While at the same time tons of things (big and small) have been added 
around it...

... mostly for the good.

Glad your are here...

Best regards
Philipp
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Re: en-US locale as package?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

Since I currently would like to add en-US at least for spell checking:
Is there a package to install this?


Yes:
<https://addons.mozilla.org/de/seamonkey/addon/united-states-english-spellche/>

<ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.1/langpack/seamonkey-2.1.en-US.langpack.xpi>


Thanks for the links - I'll likely use them for/after next installation.


Well, I'm currently downloading the en-US build and will install the
German package on top. Hope that works as intended.

Your choice, both ways should work.


Great, thanks again!
:-)

Philipp

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SM2.1, Mac: Download to write-protected folder

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I tried downloading a file towards a folder, that user could not 
write-access. (By mistake, not as a test case...)


Behavior of SM2.1 (no clue, what earlier versions would have done):

- Selecting the folder was fine.
- Download started, but the temporary file (e.g. p1xucksf.part) was
  written to /Users/me/Downloads/ - usually it's in the same place
  as the target file. (So it seems, some fallback to system default
  setting happened here.)
- However, the download stopped after a short time (1-2 seconds, given
  the file size and download speed).
- Results:
  - The target file was of course never written.
  - The temporary file was not removed.
  - The download does not show in "Download manager" at all.
  - No notification to the user, that or why something went wrong.

Is this worth filing a bug (=and start searching for existing ones)?

Best regards
Philipp
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Re: en-US locale as package? - "work-around" works

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

Well, I'm currently downloading the en-US build and will install the
German package on top. Hope that works as intended.


Seems that worked fine (German UI, selection of de-DE and en-US as spell 
checker) without any impact on the profile (as far as I can tell so 
quickly).


And it's amazing how quickly SM restarts on a modern machine with enough 
RAM to cache the disk properly... :-)


BR/Philipp

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en-US locale as package?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I installed SM2.1 as German localized build.
Since I currently would like to add en-US at least for spell checking:

Is there a package to install this?

The official project page only has an en-US build, but no package.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.1

Is it, that en-US is the default, therefore all localizations are kind 
of deltas (used for buildung build and packages)?


Well, I'm currently downloading the en-US build and will install the 
German package on top. Hope that works as intended.


BR/Philipp
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Re: What's a Power PC Mac user to do?

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Bob Fleischer schrieb:

My wife still uses SeaMonkey 2.0.x on a Power PC Mac running Mac OS 10.4.

I understand that she cannot upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.1, and that there
will be no further security fixes to SeaMonkey 2.0.

Besides buying a new computer, what alternatives might there be?


My ex-firl-friend was/is using a PPC Mac still as well.
2 years ago I decided to invest into 10.5 - just the TimeMachine alone 
was worth it, if you need it. With 10.5 there were still updates for 
Safari - don't know, if this will change with release of 10.7 in July.

(Usually they stop security fixes for "latest-2".)

However, this spring I decided too many things were not PPC compatible 
any more (FF/SM, Flash, ...). On many applications, staying with working 
ones is fine - but especially all these web related programs have plenty 
of security updates flying around... and are by default attackble when 
browsing.

So I actually decided on HW refresh. The speed bump is impressive.

Best regards
Philipp




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Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Sridhar Ayengar schrieb:

Second, I don't like the new scrolling tab bar. I prefer the old
behavior where the tabs just become unreadably small. I tend not to pay
attention to what the tabs read. Rather, I memorize the *order* of my
tabs. In this case, being able to see, at a glance, *how many* tabs are
in the current window is more useful to me than being able to read each
tab's title. Is there any way to revert to the old behavior?


I don't have the time now to try it out, but maybe:

browser.tabs.tabMinWidth  ->  100 (default)

helps with this? Settng a smaller minimum should show more tabs...?

BR/Philipp



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SM2.1, Feeds - not able to re-subscribe after manual folder clean-up

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I had subscribed to a Feed a few days ago via the SM2.1 internal Feed 
reader as part of the messanger.


Today, after restarting SM, I had 2 folders present, both with the same 
funny name extension, both without any content.
I checked the subscription settings - both folders contained no 
subscription.


So I deleted the first folder inside messenger. I first had to purge the 
trash, to delete the other one as well (duplicate name).

That folder re-appeared after restart of SM.
So I stopped SM, went to the profile, wiped all associated files, and 
restarted again.

(Reference:
/Users/XXX/Library/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey/Profiles/YYY.default/Mail/Feeds )


Now messenger is clean again. (No folders, no subscriptions for that feed.)

However, re-subscribing does not work - it complains "already subscribed".

I "grepped" about:config and the profile directory, no hits - where can 
I find and eliminate that reference?


Best regards
Philipp
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Info: Feed did not show previews after 1st SM2.1 start

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

just as a note (problem seems resolved):

Just upgraded to SM2.1 tonight (OS X 10.6.7). After the first start, 
I've found only one issue to be strange so far:
Feeds module did not show anything in the preview window. For no feed 
(just a couple, but different sources/formats). No matter, how I set the 
preview settings, preview pane was blank.
(Opening the "message" window and/or following the link to a broswer 
window worked fine.)


After restarting SM2.1, it's working fine again.

So, if anybody encounters a similar problem:
Restart SM.
If this does not help: change settings for preview, then restart SM.

In case it continues working for me, I'll consider this a one time 
glitch and not report anything any more on this topic.


Best regards
Philipp
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Re: Technique 4 replacing an older Mac version of SM...

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Keith Whaley schrieb:

Note: I DO have a month old copy of SM 1.1.18 on a Time Machine backup.
I suppose that would be acceptable, but having never done it, I don't
know how complicated that might be, getting it to REPLACE the old
version...


From my own experience with Time Machine, restoring the program "file" 
itself should be very easy. Just go to your Program Folder, start Time 
Machine, select Seamonkey, and restore.
(To play save, you can "keep both" in which case the current one is 
renamed and the old one restored in its place. To revert, just delete 
the restored one, rename the originally current one back, and done.)


However, if your profile is messed up, this might not help at all.
It's however easy, quick, and should not cause further problems - give 
it a try.
("Installing" the same version again by dragging it into the Program 
Folder should have practically the same effect.)


If the profile is messed up, one could try a manual merge of the Time 
Machine backup and the current one. I fear, it'd need very good 
knowledge of SM to "merge" the profiles so you a) get the UI, 
extensions, etc. working again and b) keep your personal data on the 
latest level.

-> Good luck!

BR/Philipp
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Re: Future of PPC support in Seamonkey

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Robert Kaiser schrieb:

Not really, they just won't deliver updates for it or Leopard any more
(they have already stopped delivering updates for Tiger a long time ago)
but they have a habit of just not talking about such end-of-line
decisions and just silently not do any updates any more.


AFAIK the strategy on OS side is rather clear: Active support for the 
current OS (the minor releases), security support for the last major 
release, no support for older stuff.
Thus I currently expect them to drop PPC support this summer, when 10.7 
is released.
(Also got a PPC still running around here (7 years old) - works as 
nicely as any of todays' netbooks.)


Otherwise they usually perform some creeping death for legacy items: 
10.5 last OS on PPC, 10.6 last OS with PPC emulation, 10.7 no PPC 
support at all. It was similar with the "classic" environment.


Positively speaking: they like to focus on using the new stuff. ;-)
(New HW, new APIs, ... - makes better/leaner technology and better 
sales, as long as users go along with it. You need recent/supported OS X 
(10.5+) to support iOS 4 devices - WinXP is still supporting those. Funny?)



Sorry for the off-topic post...

BR/Philipp
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Re: 2.0.12 problem with adding mail account

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Jens Hatlak schrieb:




Great, that's the problem and work-around works. :-)

Will try to search bugzilla myself in the future, but was too tired 
today to start anything sophisticated.


Best regards & thanks!
Philipp
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Re: Compose only has "send Later" Button

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Mike C schrieb:

How do I restore the "Send" Button?
I don't know what changed it from "Send" to "Send Later"?


Did you set SM to "offline"?
Even if not, I'd try changing this state to make sure you're "online".
(That's what I remember from dial-up ages...)

/Philipp
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2.0.12 problem with adding mail account

[Philipp van Hüllen]

Hi,

I'm using Seamonkey since years (silent users are the happy ones ,-) , 
my profile is pretty old and was very stable (likely being upgraded all 
the way from mozilla 0.something, very few addons).


Today I wanted to add/create a new mail account - the only thing I get 
is the beginning of the "create" wizard, which asks user name, email and 
(2nd page) NNTP server name.

I don't manage to get anything else as an option than pre-set NNTP.
Even if I abort, my existing one NNTP server/account (-> this one here) 
gets changed.

(I restored prefs.js from backup to get the original settings back.)

???

Anyone seen anything like this?

Some data:
SM 2.0.12, German locale.
MacOS X 10.6.7 (Intel).
2 IMAP mail accounts, 1 RSS "account", 1 local account, 1 news account.
(All those are in use since a few years at least, news & RSS being hte 
youngest.)


Best regards
Philipp
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