Triaging SeaMonkey Bugs

[Tony Mechelynck]

If you are interested in helping to solve SeaMonkey bugs, an effort has been 
made recently to document how to do so, see 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/QA/Triage_HowTo -- and about related 
questions, see the infobox near top right of that page.

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Re: Meanwhile, on the "good news" part of the news...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 26/11/14 00:28, MCBastos wrote:

Thunderbird development (which reflects on Seamonkey), which has been
sort of stalled for a while, seems to be reenergized. Look at this:

https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2014/11/thunderbird-reorganizes-at-2014-toronto-summit/

Among other things, there's now a roadmap for Thunderbird 38 (due next
year):

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Thunderbird38

which includes several worthy goals, such as support for large
mailboxes, finalizing maildir, support for OAuth in Gmail and such.

I expect that the Seamonkey devs will keep an eye on developments there
so they can bring some of these things to our side.



Thanks for the thumbs-up.

Pure "backend" fixes and enhancements will appear automagically on 
SeaMonkey since they are in shared sources. For frontend bugfixes it 
isn't as obvious: sometimes the Thunderbird guys are kind enough to fix 
the SeaMonkey side too; other times SeaMonkey developers will have to 
bring patches similar to Thunderbird's into their own frontend code. 
Enhancements and preferences defaults have to be ported (or not) by 
SeaMonkey developers since the policy decisions may be different.



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Re: SeaMonkey Trunk

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 15/11/14 20:21, EE wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

On 14/11/2014 22:34, Ruediger Lahl wrote:

Hallo SeaMonkey-Builders

In June, the Tinderbox-SeaMonkey-Trunk-Builds went offline. Is their any
chance, to get them back online in the nearer feature?


That's probably because Tinderbox has been retired by Mozilla and
replaced by more modern tools. I'm not really familiar with all the ins
and outs of the build process, but there should be another way to get
trunk builds.



You can use nightlies.  They still have trunk builds, as well as branch
builds.



Hm, yes, except for Windows. SeaMonkey 2.33a1 nightlies are published 
every 24 hours for Linux32, Linux64 and Mac-Universal; but the OP, alas 
for him, is on Windows, and the latest Windows trunk builds are 2.30a1 
builds dated June 13. See 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094097 for details of the 
bustage and the progress of the fix.



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eating coffee cake while listening to her exhortations, ask yourself
the following questions:

(1) Do I dare trust a person who actually considers alfalfa sprouts a
food?
(2) Was the author's sole motive in writing this book to get rich
exploiting the forlorn hopes of chubby people like me?
(3) Would a longer life be worthwhile if it had to be lived as
prescribed ... without French-fried onion rings, pizza with
double cheese, or the occasional Mai-Tai?  (Remember, living
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How To Triage SeaMonkey Bugs

[Tony Mechelynck]

The triageing procedure is in the process of being documented from a 
SeaMonkey viewpoint. The task is not yet finished, but it can be 
followed here:


- Bug report:
  * https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=Sm_tri_HowTo
  * This bug tracks the progress of this documentation project.

- WIP doc page:
  * https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo
  * This is of course a temporary location. The final location is not 
yet firmly decided. The code may have to be rewritten if that final 
location doesn't use Wikimedia software.



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Re: SeaMonkey at the Mozilla Summit...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/09/13 08:19, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

Hey Everyone!

So,  I will be in brussles as of Oct 2, planning to be a tourist for a
bit. And since most of you will be arriving on Oct 3 sometime, I'm
hoping to gather us all for dinner outside of the official Summit event
for food, a few drinks, and chat! (I'm going to `try` and cover the cost
of this, but I can't promise just yet)

Please reply to me directly if you are going to brussles for the summit
and would like to attend this gathering of SeaMonkey people. Also
welcome is any of you who are going to be in Brussles on the 3rd.

~Justin Wood (Callek)


Brussels is my hometown. I'll be there _during_ the Summit, even tough 
due to some mixup I won't (alas) participate _in_ the Summit.


As said on IRC (but I'm repeating it here to leave a somewhat more 
permanent record) I suggest to avoid the tourist traps near Central 
Station, Main Square, Butchers' Street (and your hotel), and to go to 
the other (West) side of the North-South thoroughfare (which is 
Boulevard Anspach etc.). That's Chinatown where IMHO you get good to 
great cooking at quite moderate prices. (But of course not mussles & 
fries, which IMHO are overrated anyway.)


And, there _is_ a MacDonald's on the border of that Chinatown (just in 
front of the Stock Exchange) but that's specifically _not_ the kind of 
joint I had in mind. ;-)


You said on IRC «Brussels» «late afternoon early evening». That's rather 
vague. Shall we decide some more precise time and place where we'll 
_meet_ before we walk to wherever it'll be that we have _dinner_? I 
suggest the lobby of the Royal Windsor, at, hm. 6pm? 7pm? other?


Other ideas welcome, of course.


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Re: Status on Next Version?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 30/05/13 02:45, David E. Ross wrote:

Would it be possible to post a message at least weekly in
mozilla.support.seamonkey regarding the current status of efforts to
resume development of SeaMonkey versions?  It is been over a week since
I have seen anything about your hardware failure.

Followup-to set to mozilla.support.seamonkey.

You may (if you want) lurk in on SeaMonkey Status Meetings, fortnightly 
on #seamonkey (or, with ChatZilla, irc://moznet/seamonkey ) on a Tuesday 
at 14:00 Continental Europe time (CET in winter, CEST in summer). In 
North-hemisphere summer, 12:00 UTC, 5am Mozilla time, etc. The latest 
one (day before yesterday) ended early, after noting that there was 
nothing new to report. Minutes of past meetings are available, see 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings



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Re: SM hanging

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 05/11/12 03:27, Ed Mullen wrote:

Okay.  I /may/ have sorted this out.

I have 7 email accounts, two news servers, and 10 newsgroups in my SM
profile.

After pondering this, I staggered when each checked for new messages.
That is, by example:

email1:  every 3 minutes
email2:  every 5 minutes
email3:  every 7 minutes

...

etc.

Instead of having them all check every three minutes.

This seems to have stopped the horrible problem of SM hannging.

I'm just guesing that having them all gear up and check the server at
the same time was the problem.


Quite possibly: since all accounts are usually checked at mail startup, 
if you check them all at a common frequency SeaMonkey will become very 
busy at that frequency, with a risk of periodic hangs. Staggering the 
server polls makes the mailer less busy more often: in your example, at 
3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15*, 18, 20, 21*, 24, 25, 27, 28, 30*… 
minutes after startup; it's only every 105 minutes (1 h 45 min; the 
least common multiple of 3, 5 and 7) that all three of these servers 
will again be polled together.




FYI:  In these email accounts there are three different mail servers.

In the news groups there are two servers involved.

Not sure if this is the answer but if it can help the others who seem to
have had the same issue ...

But, I now longer seem to have the issues I have before, e.g. typing for
20 seconds with nothing appearing and having the keyboard buffered etc.
only to appear later.



Good to know your problem was solved — and that you thought of telling 
others about it.



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Re: fonts in 2.6.1

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 31/12/11 21:16, Pat Connors wrote:

I just downloaded 2.6.1 and as usual need to adjust font sizes in the
email program. I have all done except for when I answer an email and the
font is very small and hard to read. Thanks in advance for your help.



In "Edit → Preferences → Appearance → Fonts" you can set a minimum font 
size for each language. Also, these preferences ought to persist from 
one version to the next (they are in your profile, reinstalling the 
application shouldn't change that) so I don't understand your "as usual".



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Re: Spoofing firefox!

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 23/12/11 11:39, Dustbin wrote:

Edmund wrote:

Dustbin wrote:

It should not be necessary to spoof firefox.

If people wrote their code to work to TCP/IP standard protocols SM would
work.


Do you mean putting FireFox in the UA string? If so, that has (AFAIU)
nothing to do with the TCP/IP standard protocols, but the way the
website detects browsers and adapts the website to the user
depending on the UA.

Since (AFAIK) most sites cater to IE, Chrome and Firefox, they care
only about those browsers. Even though SeaMonkey also uses the same
engine as FireFox, our users don't get the same treatment as
FireFox users. If the websites detect the engine instead of the
browser string, it would make it simple and we can just use
SeaMonkey in the UA.

If I've erred.. any corrections appreciated.


It is not that you have erred it is that they should not be abusing the
system's facilities to engineer code for a limited number of browsers.
The code should work equally on all browsers. That is the point of
standards. Writing code with a preference for one or two browsers is wrong.

It is notable that Netscape/Mozilla/SeaMonkey has been around since the
dawn of HTTP and, therefore, is one of the earliest browsers; yet coders
are favouring far more recent browsers such as FireFox and Chrome.

[...]

You are right, of course: sites, and the people who write them, should 
be sniffing for specific features rather than for specific versions of 
specific browsers. We at SeaMonkey tried for years to educate them to do 
just that — there is still an open meta bug about these very attempts, 
at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334967 — but it's a 
losing battle. When Fennec and Camino added a Firefox version to their 
UA strings, SeaMonkey followed suit, and between one day and the next 
90% of all broken sites started working again with our (new) default UA 
setting.



The advantage over overriding the UA string by means of the UA Switcher 
(or by setting general.useragent.override) is that as we update from one 
browser version to the next, the default UA string reflects the new 
version: for instance, before this "Advertise compatibility" existed, I 
had set a User Agent Switcher setting for the sites which required it; 
it is still there in my UA Switcher choices, but of course it hasn't 
been updated, and this is what it says:


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6pre) Gecko/20091125 
SeaMonkey/2.0.1pre, a sibling of Firefox/3.5


as compared with the default setting of my current SeaMonkey build, viz.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0a1) Gecko/20111226 Firefox/12.0a1 
SeaMonkey/2.9a1


As you can see, the latter faithfully reflects the characteristics of my 
present build (and the "Firefox/12.0a1" part ought to be unnecessary, it 
can be reconstructed from the presence of "Gecko/" and of "rv:12.0a1", 
but it says to moronic sites which don't know any Gecko browser other 
than Firefox that anything that Firefox 12.0a1 can browse, so can I), 
while the former is hopelessly out of date, reflecting a build which is 
not supported anymore, and a hardware platform which isn't anymore what 
I'm using.



BTW, AFAIK there are no real "standards" about the UA string, any 
standards about it are de-facto: compare with Konqueror:


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/533.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) 
konqueror/4.7.2 Safari/533.3


which BTW manages to "spoof" both Gecko and Safari, and maybe (I'm less 
sure) Google Chrome; or with Lynx:


Lynx/2.8.7rel.2 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/1.0.0e

which didn't even add the "Mozilla/?.? (" string at the start, which IE 
added long ago in order to spoof Netscape, which was still, at that 
time, the market leader.



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Re: Spoofing firefox!

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 24/12/11 13:34, Desiree wrote:

"Dustbin"  wrote in message
news:l5qdnwyww4jcagntnz2dnuvz_vwdn...@mozilla.org...

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Dustbin schrieb:

It should not be necessary to spoof firefox.


You're right that it should not, but in many cases it unfortunately is.
You can turn it off in preferences, though - but be prepared to
encounter broken websites then.

I have left it on - and some sites that usually give warnings do not do so
now.



I use the extension User Agent Switcher and spoof all the time. I like the
extension so much (also use it on Fx and have it spoof as IE or Chrome -
there are long lists of browser versions you can download and then choose
from) that I have postponed upgrading SM to 2.6. When I went to upgrade I
was informed that User Agent Switcher was incompatible with 2.6. So, I did
not upgrade (although MR Tech Toolkit works fine even though SM says it
doesn't).  I could use MR Tech to override any incompatibilities with User
Agent Switcher but I intensely dislike all the rush-rush, update, update
anyway so I will just wait for a new version of User Agent Switcher before
updating SM.




User Agent Switcher works fine, even with SeaMonkey 2.9a1, I used it a 
few minutes ago. It officially supports up to SeaMonkey 2.5.*, but with 
the new "Default to Compatible" feature (turned on by default in the 
latest nightlies) it is not even listed as incompatible.


To use it with Sm 2.6, either install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter 
extension, or set extensions.checkCompatibility.2.6 to false in 
about:config, but beware that by doing that you take up the 
responsability of disabling misbehaving extensions manually.


However, with the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" feature, there are 
much fewer sites which require user-agent spoofing.



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Re: [Mint 12 / SM 2.6.1] Download Manager - "Open Containing Folder" starts PDF viewer

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 28/12/11 00:12, Rob Lindauer wrote:

When I download a file and then attempt to "open containing folder"
(either by right clicking the downloaded file name, or from the File
menu option), SM attempts to start the pdf document viewer (evince).

I get this same behavior no matter what the file type of the downloaded
file is (pdf, zip, whatever).

I've looked at the list of helper applications, which look OK (e.g.,
"always ask" for pdf documents)

Any idea what I've done / how to fix / what setting to check?

Thanks, RL


- Is this the built-in download manager or the Jökulsárlón Download 
Manager extension? https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/download-manager/
- If you use the other one (by installing the extension if not 
installed, enabling it if disabled, or disabling if enabled), is the 
result better?



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more interesting, the ones on the outside are all dying!  This is a
fact.  Your skin is like an aggressive modern corporation, where the
older veteran cells, who have finally worked their way to the top and
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Re: Which of these security flaws are present in SM 2.6.1

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/12/11 04:09, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

In their 12/22/2011 security bulletin,
@RISK: The Consensus Security Vulnerability Alert Week 52 2011
SANS reports the following vulnerabilities in Mozilla FF & TB releases.
Since SM code is so closely related to the Moz. FF & TB codes,
which, if any, of these vulnerabilities are present in SM 2.6.1
and when are they due to be removed?

*

(3) HIGH: Mozilla Firefox Multiple Security Vulnerabilities
Affected: Firefox 8.x

[...]

SeaMonkey 2.6.1 is based on the same backend code as Firefox 9.0.1. They 
both are emergency security releases for late-noticed (or late-fixed) 
flaws common to Sm 2.6(.0) and Fx 9.0(.0). Firefox 8 is the previous 
release, six weeks older, and the corresponding SeaMonkey release is 2.5.


You might be interested by the page 
http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey.html — I 
found it quite easily by following links (starting with the "Release 
Notes" link) from the SeaMonkey front page, 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/



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Re: Tricking sites into thinking SeaMonkey is Firefox

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 03/12/11 12:08, Desiree wrote:
[...]

You need either User Agent Switcher extension but it only works on Fx [...]


User Agent Switcher 0.7.3, available at AMO, advertises compatibility 
with not only Firefox 1.0 to 10.* but also SeaMonkey 1.0 to 2.5.*. It 
ought to work also on later versions if you override compatibility 
checking, either by means of the Add-on Compatibility Reporter 
extension, or by setting the appropriate version-dependent preference in 
about:config.


See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility


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Re: can i have both sm and firefox?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 11/11/11 18:31, Jim wrote:

WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) wrote:

Jim wrote:

Houston -- I have a problem --

I am a U.S. government employee. To view our pay statements and make
changes, we
have to use the site www.employeeexpress.gov. I have SM and IE 9.0 on
my PC.
Employee Express will work with neither of these (sigh). It requires
Firefox or
IE 7.0 or 8.0.

Can I install FF, just for the purpose of accessing this site, and
still keep
SM? If so, how do I do that? I can't go back to IE 8.0. I wish I never
put IE
9.0 on my PC -- I hate it.

TIA --


Do you have Advertise Firefox compatibility checked in your Advanced >
HTTP Networking preferences? If not check it, and see if that helps.

You can install Firefox, but shouldn't need to. Does the site load, or
tell you your browser is not supported?

I can load the site with SeaMonkey 2.5. Not a government employee so
can't try logging in.

I tried it, and it works now. They must have changed the site recently

(or maybe SM added that compatibility check box on a recent update.)
When I used to go to the site, it had a big red X on the browser, saying
I needed FF or IE & or 8. Guess I don't have a problem. Thanks for a
quick response.


That "Advertise Firefox compatibility" setting was added just because 
there are too many sites which check for Firefox "the wrong way", by 
looking for the string "Firefox/" in the user-agent string, rather than 
for "Gecko/" or, better, by checking whether the needed JavaScript 
methods are defined.


Now that you checked that box (which is the factory default), your 
browser advertises itself to the site as "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1" which is 
the factory default value for a SeaMonkey 2.4.1 32-bit executable 
running on 64-bit Windows; but most of those badly written sites will 
accept it as Firefox 7.0.1, and indeed Firefox 7.0.1 and SeaMonkey 2.4.1 
share the same version of the Gecko rendering engine, so anything that 
the one can do, the other can do the same way.


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ANN: SeaMonkey Hallowe'en Bug Event

[Tony Mechelynck]

(This announcement is intentionally cross-posted; followups are set to 
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. Please do not change the Followup-To: line.)



The SeaMonkey Community will hold a Bug event in the days and nights 
preceding Hallowe'en. Witches and wizards, hold your wands and get ready 
to fight the sly and evil Bugs and their offspring Maggots!


* WHEN?

From Thursday 27 October 2011 08:00 to Sunday 30 October 2011 23:00 UTC 
without interruption.


Europe will go off summer time during the night from Saturday to Sunday; 
most countries which use DST / summer time on other continents will be 
using it during the whole test (North hemisphere countries such as the 
USA will still be on DST, South hemisphere countries such as the 
DST-using states of Brazil and provinces of Australia will already be on 
summer time). A table with local start and stop times of the Event in 
various time zones around the world appears on the wiki page for the 
event (linked below).


* WHERE?

Channel #bugday on the Mozilla IRC server (for ChatZilla, 
irc://moznet/bugday , for other clients, either irc://irc.mozilla.org/ 
or ircs://irc.mozilla.org:6697/ then /join #bugday )




For more information: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20111027



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Re: 32 and 64 bits

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 13/10/11 16:20, Gertjan wrote:

Can I use a 64bit .profile on a 32bit Machine


The profile, probably, unless there is an extension in it (or several) 
which includes a 64-bit binary component (Lightning comes to mind): you 
will have to install the 32-bit version of that extension. The 
application, no: a 64-bit machine can run 32-bit programs but a 32-bit 
machine can of course not run 64-bit programs.



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Re: Are "security(sic/sick) updates" _EVER_ needed? ?? ???

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 15/09/11 03:27, Richard Owlett wrote:

Provocative enough subject line?
Actually I'm *serious* !

I personally suspect that all these "security" features are trying to
protect users from there own culpable acts.

I take responsibility for my own well being by:
1. *DISABLING* {user.js *IS* your friend}
JavaScript
Cookies
2. *NOT* using an "always live" connection
3. a local *always LIVE* firewall set to _paranoid_
4. my ISP provides some firewall and anti-virus email protection

and "other" measures


Well, even with those measures, security updates are useful. The latest 
case in point is the DigiNotar certificate authority, which was recently 
broken into and used without its managers' knowledge to issue several 
hundreds of bogus certificates for various domains such as google.com, 
cia.gov, mossad.il, etc. etc. etc.


The security update (culminating in SeaMonkey 2.3.3, Firefox 6.0.2, 
Thunderbird 6.0.2, etc.) consisted of removing all DigiNotar root and 
intermediary certificates from Mozilla's store of "trusted" 
certificates. None of the measures you mention above would have 
protected you against a MITM attack using one of those counterfeit 
certificates, especially if you happened to connect to a hijacked DNS 
server. Since you are still using the obsolete SeaMonkey 2.0.8, you 
could still fall victim to such an attack (though after Mozilla, Google, 
Mocrosoft and others, including my Linux distro, took measures in 
concert, the attacks have declined). If you used this browser in Iran 
(where most, but not all, of the attacks were targeted), you may very 
well have been one of the victims: in that case you should change your 
Google etc. passwords and log out of any current session. Maybe also 
restart SeaMonkey to clear the DNS cache.



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Re: A plea for a return to sanity in new version release scheduling

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 19/08/11 11:54, David Wilkinson wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

It is not true that none of those working with Mozilla cannot see the
problems.


Triple negative here.

As written this says that it is not true that everybody working at
Mozilla can see the problems.



As evidenced by his second paragraph, Philip meant "it is false that 
nobody working at Mozilla can see the problems". Neither he nor I are 
paid employees of Mozilla AFAIK, but we are both "putting some work 
into" Mozilla-family products (SeaMonkey and sometimes Gecko or 
Toolkit), and I can tell you that we are deeply concerned.


I think that on several key points (version numbering one of them) 
SeaMonkey made wiser decisions than Firefox in the past, and I hope that 
it is going to go on that way, but I don't have an infallible crystal 
ball: I'll know what my future is when it becomes my present, and by the 
time I realize what it means, it'll already be my past.


About the discoverability of version numbers, bug 678775 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678775 has been mentioned 
(perhaps without the bug number) in this thread. I'm added the link so 
that anybody can go and see (but this is somewhat off-topic in the 
_SeaMonkey_ newsgroup since it is a Firefox bug and AFAIK Seamonkey 
isn't going that way). The bug has been RESOLVED INVALID a few hours 
ago, and I believe that that resolution (or maybe WONTFIX) is the right 
one, but I'm taking no bets on how long it will be before Asa 
Dotzler-Schmotzler (the guy with a big mouth and his foot in it: this 
phrase wasn't coined by me but I like it) or someone on his "side" in 
this controversy, REOPENs it.



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Re: YouTube won't maximize?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 06/08/11 11:19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Lately I've noticed that if I maximize a YouTube video, the content part
of the screen goes black. I still have controls at the bottom, and they
work, but that's it. At the end, the "Replay" and other navigation
controls appear in front of the black screen. I can maximize vids from
other sources. Is it just me?

SM 2.0.14, WinXP SP3.

Have tried clearing cache and cookies, restarting SM, no joy.

Examples from two different YouTube posters:



Flash plugins:

Shockwave Flash
File name: NPSWF32.dll
Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181

Shockwave for Director
File name: np32dsw.dll
Adobe Shockwave for Director Netscape plug-in, version 11.5.9.615

Any ideas?



I don't have that problem, but I'm using SeaMonkey 2.5a1 on 64-bit Linux 
with a 32-bit Flash plugin distributed by openSUSE Linux via their 
"Non-OSS" repository (Adobe Flash PlugIn and standalone Player, version 
10.3.181.34, SuSE patchlevel 1.2.1, architecture i586).


about:plugins mentions:

Shockwave Flash
/root/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181

(also Adobe Reader and Tcl, not relevant here).


So there could be a lot of reasons why our results differ.


I hope someone better informed than me can help you out of your predicament.


Ah, "Shockwave for Director" is something different, see 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash


In this KB page I see a lot of info which seems relevant for Windows but 
is Greek to me, maybe you should go and read it.



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Re: IE users are dumber .

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 02/08/11 03:11, MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 01/08/2011 17:41, Tony Mechelynck told the world:

On 31/07/11 05:06, Rufus wrote:

question wrote:


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/





...Opera?..really?..



I notice they didn't even include SeaMonkey in their test data (except
maybe as part of the Firefox sample, which in this case I have a sort of
gut feeling is doing us a disservice — but I have no proof). Who knows?
Maybe _we_ would have scored higher than Opera if only we'd been tested
separately. :-P


I think that, generally speaking, *ignoring completely the actual merits
of each browser,* you will find higher concentration of smart users in
the products with the least market share.

The reason are simple: user inertia and network effect. The less-smart
users tend to stay with what they know, or what has a well-known brand
name. *Any* change demands a bit on the user, be it on installing, or
learning the interface of the new product, or migrating settings, or
figuring out how to deal with the odd case this new product does not
work as well as the old one did.

So, the dumbest users (or at least the least computer-savvy ones -- my
father is astoundingly smart, he's a very respected mechanical engineer
with a number of patents to his name -- but he's just not at home with
computers) stay with whatever came with the machine (IE on Windows,
Safari on Mac). The slightly savvier ones will know that Firefox and
Chrome (two well-known product "brands") offer features IE lacks, and
will try them -- safe in the knowledge that if they get stuck, their
computer-savvy workmate/nephew/friend will help them. Only the savviest
users will attempt to use "obscure" products like Camino, iCab,
Seamonkey, Maxthon or Opera.



Hm, indeed Camino and Opera were their "top of the list"; the other 
three I don't think they mentioned. But if I read you well, Lynx and w3m 
users should be even smarter than all the rest? ;-)



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Re: IE users are dumber .

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 31/07/11 05:06, Rufus wrote:

question wrote:


Ie users are suppose to be Dumb

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/





...Opera?..really?..



I notice they didn't even include SeaMonkey in their test data (except 
maybe as part of the Firefox sample, which in this case I have a sort of 
gut feeling is doing us a disservice — but I have no proof). Who knows? 
Maybe _we_ would have scored higher than Opera if only we'd been tested 
separately. :-P



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Re: Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 16/07/11 17:59, Philip Chee wrote:

Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums.

This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable
tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it.

Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being
since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour.
It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable
toolbar for some time yet.

Phil



Well, it did "feel wrong" to me at first, that in order to "Undo Close 
Tab" you had to right-click a tab which had _not_ been closed, not the 
empty space where the (rightmost) tab would be if it were still open.


But that's just one more of those quirks to which you get accustomed 
with time, so, yes, I'd like to see a right-click menu on the empty part 
of the tab bar with any menuitems which aren't specific to one tab; but 
I'd regard that as a low-priority enhancement.


FWIW, I almost always have "some" empty tabbar space because of a 
userChrome.css enhancement of mine which makes all tabs visible on 
several rows, though reduced to just a favicon (ATM a little more than 
2½ rows of 16x16px icons).



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Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen

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On 06/07/11 17:21, Ken wrote:

Thanks, Tony. Not sure how much of that I've fully understood. But next
time the box opens, maybe I'll just click on 'Yes' and that will take me
to the group in question, from which I can then quietly check out, and
the thing won't happen again?


The thing will happen again if you hit the N key or click the "Next" 
button (the toolbar button which says "Move forward to the next unread 
message" if you hover your mouse over it) and either there are no unread 
messages in the folder or newsgroup currently being displayed, or the 
only unread message in it (especially if you've closed the preview pane 
at the bottom of the 3-pane window) is the one currently selected in the 
thread pane. In that case SeaMonkey will look if there is any message 
marked as unread anywhere in another mail folder, another newsgroup, an 
RSS feed for which you've chosen to get new posts in a News & Blogs 
account accessible via your mail window, etc. — and if it finds such an 
unread message (other than in the "Junk" and "Trash" folders), it will 
pop the question again.


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Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 03/07/11 10:19, Ken wrote:

I have SM 2.0. 14 and Windows 7.

When my Inbox is open in its regular function (i.e., for receiving
standard emails, not one of my listed user groups such as this one), do
boxes sometimes appear in the middle of the screen saying, for example,
'Confirm. Advance to next unread message in alt.video.dvd?' (I don't
think I have used that particular group for months, btw.)

All help appreciated.

Thanks - Ken (in Oz)


This is what you see when clicking "go to next unread" or hitting N or 
selecting "Go → Next Unread" (and possibly similar buttons, hotkeys and 
menus), and there isn't any unread message (other than, possibly, the 
one currently selected) in the folder you're viewing. SeaMonkey then 
asks permission to go to the first unread message in a *different* 
folder (or newsgroup or RSS feed).


The example you mentioned is of a Usenet (NNTP) group, maybe the first 
one (as shown in the left pane) of those to which you're subscribed. Of 
course, newsgroup messages posted by other people accumulate, SeaMonkey 
knows approximately how many there are (it will know more precisely when 
that group becomes current), and it offers to go to the first of them.


You then have the choice of clicking Yes (or hitting Y) or clicking No 
(or hitting N) to tell SeaMonkey whether or not you want to switch to 
that newsgroup (or it could be to another mail folder, e.g. if you have 
filters which move your mail out of your Inbox and to specific folders 
depending on where they come from).



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Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon

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On 02/07/11 07:46, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/1/2011 11:33 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ
icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back
(alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version):

...
Which builds would those be?

All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon.




Tony means the "Window" icon for chatzilla, on windows you'll see that
on the top left corner of the window, or in win7 for example when you
hover over the SeaMonkey icon in the taskbar and have cZ open you
*should* see the cZ icon in the top left corner of the screenshot (or
the "list" of windows if you have too many windows open for win7 to show
the screenshots).

That said, I hope to find the time to describe to Tony how to fix this
in our build over the next weeks, which I expect to do (he gave up on
the bug, due to some complexity that he forsaw).



...or rather, due to some complexity that I hadn't foreseen, which made 
me lose my path in the maze of the source (and SeaMonkey is built from 
repositories with a lot of source, since it pulls all the following 
Mercurial repositories:

1) the repository with the specific Suite, MailNews and Calendar sources
2) the repository with the Firefox, Toolkit, Gecko, etc. sources
3) the ChatZilla repository
4) the DOM Inspector repository
5) the LDAP SDK repository
6) the Venkman repository
). You could also build any of Thunderbird, Firefox, or the ChatZilla, 
Lightning, Provider for Google Calendar, Dom Inspector and Javascript 
Debugger extensions from that same pile of code. Also Sunbird if it were 
still supported.


The first problem is to find where and how in the "comm" repository (#1 
above) the ChatZilla taskbar image from the "irc" repository (#3 above) 
is moved into the temporary directory structure which will then be 
archived into the .tar.bz2, the .dmg, or the .zip and .installer.exe 
which are what users will then download. The second problem (but I think 
I can get inspiration from Venkman on how to solve that) is where to put 
that icon so the OS can use it.



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Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 02/07/11 07:01, NoOp wrote:

On 07/01/2011 09:37 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ
icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back
(alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version):

...
Which builds would those be?

All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon.



Must be only for the active users of ChatZilla. I don't use Chatzilla
and the bottom Component-Bar's Cz icon shows fine in the same build as
Tony's, in both Default Classic and Modern Theme:-
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110701 Firefox/7.0a1
SeaMonkey/2.4a1 ID:20110701003111



Barry I use cZ so being an active user probably isn't an issue. So I'm
still confused&  reckon only Tony can clarify.



Recent builds of SeaMonkey, but I don't know how recent, maybe only 
2.4a1, will install the built-in ChatZilla (and the built-in DOM 
Inspector and the built-in Javascript Debugger) in your profile, but:


- only if there was a change in the SeaMonkey version, AND
- only if there isn't already an equal or newer version of the same 
extension in the profile.


This implies that if you're using nightlies, and some bug is fixed in 
ChatZilla between one nightly and the next, you won't get the fix until 
the next SeaMonkey version unless you forcibly reinstall the fixed 
version. OTOH if you have installed ChatZilla from AMO, that profile 
copy will be overridden by the copy built into the _next_ version of 
SeaMonkey if it's newer: you won't be stranded forever with an obsolete 
version in your profile.


There is no usable ChatZilla anymore under the application installation 
directory: you get the following:


/extensions/
only the default and Modern themes
/distribution/extensions/
the built-in extensions. They cannot be used directly from here.
/extensions/
your extensions and themes, including any built-in extensions

This install into the profile is made while checking for extensions' 
compatibility, and it will install ChatZilla in "packed" mode, leaving 
the unpacked XPI in your profile, even though ChatZilla requests 
unpack-at-install.


The "packed" ChatZilla works, maybe even faster since there aren't many 
files to be fetched at different places on your HD, but its icon on the 
OS taskbar (NOT the icon on the SeaMonkey statusbar) is the "default" 
SeaMonkey icon (same blue icon as for the browser), not the grey cZ icon 
specific of ChatZilla.


If you install ChatZilla yourself from AMO, or from "somewhere on your 
HD", it will install in "unpacked" mode (a directory and a number of 
files and directory inside), and the image passed to the OS for display 
on the taskbar is a separate "image" file, not something inside an XPI, 
so the OS can display it.



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Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon

[Tony Mechelynck]

In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ 
icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back 
(alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version):


Just reinstall ChatZilla as follows:
1. Open the add-ons manager
2. In the drop-down near the top, click "Install Add-on From File…"
3. In the file picker, go first to the install directory (this is 
platform-dependent, maybe /usr/local/seamonkey, maybe "C:\Program 
Files\SeaMonkey", maybe something else)

4. Still in the file picker, go down into distribution/extensions
5. Select {59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}.xpi (by 
double-clicking, or by one click followed by [ OK ] or [ Open ] or similar)
6. The popup should tell you that you're about to install ChatZilla. 
When the countdown elapses, click "Install Now".
7. Once the doorhanger (near the URL bar icon) tells you that ChatZilla 
is installed, restart SeaMonkey.


Notice the nice cZ icon which is back on the taskbar when you start 
ChatZilla? It will normally stay that way at least as long as you stay 
on the same SeaMonkey version in the same profile. When you'll update to 
some later SeaMonkey version (still in the same profile) there'll be a 
check of your extensions' version compatibility at startup. At that 
time, ChatZilla may go back to using the SeaMonkey icon, or even become 
disabled: then repeat steps 1 to 7 above.


Note: At step 5, there may be three or four "built-in extensions" in 
that directory:

debu...@mozilla.org.xpi (optional) Debug & QA UI
inspec...@mozilla.org.xpi   DOM Inspector
{59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}.xpi  ChatZilla
{f13b157f-b174-47e7-a34d-4815ddfdfeb8}.xpi  JavaScript Debugger

ChatZilla is the one with a name hard to remember, whose first hex 
"letter" (i.e. digit > 9) is c.



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Re: Anyway to use Sync bookmarks addon with Seamonkey?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 04/06/11 19:33, goldtech wrote:

Hi,

Is there anyway to use sync bookmarks addon with SM 2.0.14 ? Right now
I have FF installed then I import the syn'd bookmarks from FF to SM...

thanks


AFAIK there is no "clean" way to use Sync with SeaMonkey 2.0.x, but 
SeaMonkey 2.1 will have Sync built-in, just like Firefox 4 and later. 
The first release-candidate is already out (there is a link to its 
download page on the SeaMonkey homepage 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ ) and the second release-candidate is 
due any day now.


These are "release candidates" which means better and stabler than your 
average beta; indeed, the RC2 which is about to be released could quite 
well become the official release 2.1 if no serious bug is found in it.



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Re: New version

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On 03/06/11 10:48, Ray_Net wrote:

Neil Winchurst wrote:

Although not new to computers I am fairly new to SeaMonkey. I am using
version 2.0.14. There has been a lot of chat about the new version 2.1.
Since my version works just fine for me is there any real reason or
advantage to moving up?

I feel that I would be quite happy to stay where I am. If it ain't broke
.


If you have decide to use SM instead of IE, you should know that with SM
you always must change,upgrade, etc  there is no "stable release"


Yeah, with IE it's always broke whatever you do, so fixin' it don' make 
it any better. :-P


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Re: New version

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 31/05/11 04:32, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 5/30/2011 9:17 AM, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

and between current builds of SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre and Firefox 7.0a1.


Fwiw, SeaMonkey 2.2 will soon be only comprable to Firefox 5... we're
just getting ready to bump version numbers there to reflect reality.



"Will soon"... maybe: I hear a lot of that kind of talk, and I'm eagerly 
waiting for it to happen, like a teen-ager at a movie house just before 
the posters come up for next week's movie. In the meantime, the "latest 
and greatest" that I'm using is still calling itself


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110602 Firefox/7.0a1 
SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre


i.e., "SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre built on the same source as Firefox 7.0a1". 
(And don't get me started on the utility of declaring a new "major 
version" number every six weeks, or you'll get the same speech you could 
get from KaiRo except that he's a lot more aware of the ins and outs of 
the project than I am).



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Re: New version

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 30/05/11 12:53, Neil Winchurst wrote:

Although not new to computers I am fairly new to SeaMonkey. I am using
version 2.0.14. There has been a lot of chat about the new version 2.1.
Since my version works just fine for me is there any real reason or
advantage to moving up?

I feel that I would be quite happy to stay where I am. If it ain't broke
.

Just wondering

Neil


You can still safely wait until the SeaMonkey 2.1 release is announced 
and maybe a little more, but not too long: once SeaMonkey 2.1 final gets 
released, support for SeaMonkey 2.0 won't last very long -- the 
(volunteer) SeaMonkey team just hasn't got enough resources to keep 
maintaining as many parallel versions of the software as does the 
Firefox team (many of whose members are paid employees of the Mozilla 
corporation). It is a testimony to the SeaMonkey community's enthusiasm 
that they are succeeding to maintain such a good-quality software 
product in spite of their relative lack of human and hardware resources.


Once the users of SeaMonkey 2.0 start going over to SeaMonkey 2.1, there 
will be fewer and fewer people finding any possible remaining bugs in 
SeaMonkey 2.0 -- and fewer bugs found means fewer bugs fixed too. You 
can't prove that the software ain't broke, and any bug left in it is 
gonna bite you some day, maybe sooner -- maybe later.


Currently, in addition to SeaMonkey 2.0 where AFAIK only severe security 
and stability bugs are still being fixed, the SeaMonkey team is 
maintaining two later "code branches", namely SeaMonkey 2.1, which may 
be released any day now (the first release-candidate is already out and 
a second one is in the works), and SeaMonkey 2.2, which is still at the 
preliminary "pre-alpha" stage. IIUC, the underlying "backend" code is 
common between SeaMonkey 2.1 and Firefox 4.0.x, and between current 
builds of SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre and Firefox 7.0a1.



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Re: Need testers for Lightning 1.0b4 for SeaMonkey 2.1

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 26/05/11 11:30, Philip Chee wrote:

Hi!

SeaMonkey 2.1 is almost out of the gate. We need to make sure that the
Lightning version targetting SM 2.1 works well with it. So I need
volunteers to smoke test Lightning 1.04b on SeaMonkey 2.1

Lightning 1.0b4pre builds are here:
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-miramar/
SeaMonkey 2.1pre builds are here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-2.0/

Lightning will integrate into the MailNews window and you can open new
Calendar and Task tabs via the mini buttons in the tabbar.


...or via the "Events and Tasks" menu which it adds on the menubar.



Phil

(also posted to Mozillazine
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2210021)



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ANN: Results of SeaMonkey "Nugzilla" bug event

[Tony Mechelynck]

@ashughes: could you please rewrite the following for QMO? Thanks, and 
thanks again for setting the channel topic during the event.



The results of the SeaMonkey "Nugzilla" bug event which took place on 
IRC channel #bugday from Wednesday 18 to Friday 20 of this month are now 
available at 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518#Results where you 
will find:


* A link to the list of bugs which were handled, as a Bugzilla search, 
repeated here: 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Nugzilla&sharer_id=104443 
(to see this list, you may perhaps need to be logged-in to 
bugzilla.mozilla.org but no special permissions are required on your 
Bugzilla account).
* A breakdown by Product and Component of where the 19 bugs which were 
moved or reported to Products other than "SeaMonkey" ended up (Core: 10, 
Toolkit: 5, MailNews Core: 3, Mozilla Localizations: 1), and a summary 
by Component and Status/Resolution of the 98 bugs handled which remained 
in the SeaMonkey Product.
* An honour list by number of bugs of the seven people who did the 
actual "dirty work", with links to all those bugs at BMO. I'm listing 
those people there in alphabetical order of IRC nicknames, go there to 
see "who did what": Aleksej, Aqualon, IanN, RattyAway, Rickie, therube, 
tonymec


Additional remarks:
* ashughes and KaiRo were noticed as lurkers during part of the time but 
they didn't move any actual bugs. Their presence may have encouraged 
those who did: thanks for being there.
* All platforms for which SeaMonkey is built at Mozilla were represented 
among the testers: Linux-i686 and Mac had a token presence, Windows and 
Linux-x86_64 were outstandingly represented, even though SeaMonkey 
builds for the latter platform are not yet regarded as "official".



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Re: SeaMonkey Bug Event 18 to 20 May 2011 (OOPS)

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 09/05/11 05:11, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

A three-day "SeaMonkey Bug Event" (unofficially nicknamed "Operation
Nugzilla") will be held on IRC on 18, 19 and 20 may 2011, 14h to 24h
GMT. Full details, including equivalent times for various timezones
around the world, what to test and with which tools, are available at
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518


Oops! 12h to 24h GMT, 14h to 24h CEST. (The times published at wikimo 
are correct.)


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SeaMonkey Bug Event 18 to 20 May 2011

[Tony Mechelynck]

A three-day "SeaMonkey Bug Event" (unofficially nicknamed "Operation 
Nugzilla") will be held on IRC on 18, 19 and 20 may 2011, 14h to 24h 
GMT. Full details, including equivalent times for various timezones 
around the world, what to test and with which tools, are available at 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518


The main goal is to give a thorough test to SeaMonkey 2.1, which is 
expected to be released any time soon, most probably before Nugzilla starts.


If you have questions (after reading the page linked above), feel free 
to ask them, either by replying to the copy of this post published in 
the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup, or on IRC in the #seamonkey 
channel (on, of course, the irc.mozilla.org server known to ChatZilla as 
"moznet").


If you are using SeaMonkey (or Firefox with Chatzilla installed), 
clicking the following links will open the corresponding channel in 
ChatZilla:

irc://moznet/seamonkey
irc://moznet/bugday


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Re: Updated to 2.0.14

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 01/05/11 19:31, wingspan2 wrote:

Hello everyone,
   Well I logged onto my Sea Monkey browser as usual and when my
browser appeared, it had automatically updated to Sea Monkey 2.0.14.
It looked a bit different but everything appeared to be there.
But.. when I went to use my e-mail that Sea Monkey provides, I was
unable to to send any messages. I was able to receive them just not
able to send them. I called my internet provider "Comcast" to aid me
with this problem, but they no longer help with browsers other than
their own. I went through all the setting and every thing was still
the same, but it will not send. I get this email message stating when
I attempt to send it:

"Cannot send message using the server
Smtp.comcast.net:wingspan2..Use the pop-up menu below to try a
different outgoing mail server.  All messages will use this server
until you quit Mail or change your network settings"

  So my wife and I tried different options that appeared in the drop
down box, but none were able to make the out going mail work. Has
anyone had this problem or know how to repair so our email can be sent
again?

Thanks in advance,
Rob


Maybe the knowledge base article 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Cannot_send_mail could be relevant.



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Re: Upgrade to new version

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 01/05/11 17:18, Neil Winchurst wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Neil Winchurst wrote:

I have installed version 2.0.13 in /usr/local/bin which works fine.
There is now version 2.0.14 ready as an upgrade. I have downloaded it
but it will not install. I get a message about having other versions
installed. I do not have any version in /usr/bin. It will not upgrade my
version.

Am I missing something somewhere please?

Neil


Neil, when you say you downloaded it, do you mean you downloaded the
upgrade or did you download the entire program (15MB or there abouts)??

When I upgrade from one version to the next, SeaMonkey downloads the
upgrade and installs it next time I start up, job done!


I had better give more information. I have installed Mint 10 KDE. When I
wanted to install Seamonkey the available version was 2.0.11 while the
latest version was 2.0.13. So I downloaded the full version 2.0.13 of
the program, the .deb version, and ran the installer.

Now I have downloaded the upgrade to version 2.0.14 but when I go to
Help > Apply Downloaded Upgrade I am told to restart Seamonkey. When I
do I get an error message asking if there is another version installed.
There isn't. Here is the message

*

The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other
copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey
to try again.

*

So now every time I start Seamonkey I get this error message and have to
click on OK to go to the program.

I should mention that I have installed Seamonkey in /usr/local/bin,
there is no copy in /usr/bin.

If necessary I am happy to stay with version 2.0.13 but I would like to
avoid the error message every time I log in. If I could find the upgrade
file I could rename it or delete it.

Thanks for any help,

Neil





You say there is no SeaMonkey running:

- How did you close SeaMonkey the last time? The "proper" way to do it 
consists of using File→Quit or Ctrl+Q then _waiting_ until it has 
finished running, which means _longer_ than just waiting for all windows 
to be closed: see next paragraph. Don't turn the computer off while 
SeaMonkey is busy closing down.


- Does
ps -lC seamonkey-bin
list something other than column headings? If it does, then even if 
SeaMonkey has already closed all its windows in response to your Ctrl+Q 
(or File → Quit), there is still some cleanup in progress. If you run 
ksysguard or gnome-system-monitor you should be able to follow how 
SeaMonkey takes its time releasing its memory.


- See also
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey
about how to recover from a locked profile.


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Re: Strange results when viewing mail folder in my profile folder

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 28/04/11 19:00, Colin Ager wrote:

Hi all.
In prearation for a forthcoming update from Fedora 12 to Fedora 14 I
have saved my Seamonkey profile. While doing this I looked at a mail
folder and was shown an e-mail from Sept 2009. To my surprise it does
not show when I look for it in the usual way with Seamonkey. As far as I
can see only the first item in the mail folder is shown although there
are lots more some of which show in Seamonkey as being before the date
on this item. Cn anyone explain why this happens?
Colin


Most "files" in the Mail folder of your profile are mailbox files, each 
of them corresponds to one the "folders" which you see in the mail client.


Each of these mailbox files contains emails one after another: if you 
look at one such mailbox with a plain text editor such as Vim, Notepad, 
etc., you'll see for each message the following:


- one line starting with "From -" with no colon after From
- the email headers, with no intervening empty line. Lines beginning 
with whitespace (i.e. with spaces or tabs) are continuation lines.

- one empty line
- the body text, which is what you normally see when reading the email. 
This body text may either be one message in plaintext, or it may be made 
of several parts (HTML text, plaintext, attachment 1, attachment 2, 
etc.) in MIME format. In the latter case there are delimiter lines 
between each part, and the same delimiter with two dashes appended marks 
the end of the last part, see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Multipart_messages


When you delete a message, it is not immediately removed from the 
mailbox; rather, for efficiency's sake, it is "marked as deleted" and 
nothing else is done to it. Anything marked as deleted in this way won't 
be shown by the mailer. It's only when you "compact" that folder (or 
when SeaMonkey does it on its own, depending on your Preferences) that 
all such messages "marked as deleted" will be actually removed.


If you point your browser to a copy of a mailbox file, it may perhaps 
see only the first message, thinking that this file is one message which 
you've "saved" as a file in EML format (MIME type message/rfc822) as 
when you use the "File → Save As → File..." menu. This would explain 
what you're seeing. But unlike what goes before, what I'm saying in this 
paragraph is only a guess.



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Re: New control of mouse-click-menus - additional click necessary now - drives my hand crazy

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 18/04/11 23:30, S. Beaulieu wrote:

Ray_Net a écrit :

Context menu is opened by using only the right-click ... all well-done
windows programs will permit that without the need of pressing the ctrl
key in the same time. The middle-button (not present on every mouse)
will do other things but not opening the context menu.



But that's not what he said. He said he was only clicking the left
button and holding it down to select the proper option. That's not
right-clicking.

S.


If you press and hold the right mouse button, the context (popup) menu 
will open. You can then move the mouse pointer without releasing the 
button, and if you pass over a submenu it will open while the mouse 
pointer is over it. You can navigate the menus in this way, still 
holding the right button, until the mouse pointer reaches the menuitem 
which you want to trigger. Then you release the mouse button. This has 
always worked as far back as I can remember, maybe even on Netscape 4.72.


Similarly with the left button if you start on the menubar.

Of course, if you have configured your mouse for left-handed use, the 
left button becomes the right button and vice-versa.


An alternative way of navigating the menus consists of doing a 
click-and-release at each level going down, until you reach a menuitem 
which is not a submenu: then that one gets triggered.


On modern mice of the "wheel" type, pressing the wheel without rolling 
it actuates the middle button.



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Re: "Unsent messages"

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 18/04/11 10:29, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:


SM 2.0.13, W-7. When I click to go to Mail & Newsgroups I get a window
which says "Would you like to send your unsent messages now? Send. Don't
send." The problem is that there are no unsent messages that I know of.
Nothing shows up in the Drafts folder. And if I click "Send" it just
spins and does nothing. What can I do to purge these non-existent unsent
messages?


"Drafts" and "Unsent Messages" are two different folders for two
different purposes. Look below "Trash" and you'll see.

If "Unsent Messages" is empty, I suggest you compact folders and restart
SM.



It could also be named "Outbox", but "Drafts" is something else.


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Re: SM 2.1b3

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 17/04/11 07:27, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

ejdelet...@edmullen.net schrieb:

Have you guys tried your solutions? Have you tried to replicate my
problem?


I don't need to replicate anything, as know what the code does, because
I wrote that code that forces a certain set of zoom levels. And I didn't
offer a solution, as I don't think there is one.
I'm still a bit unsure what your actual problem is - do you need a
different set of zoom levels? Did you manage to do that in any previous
SeaMonkey version?

Robert Kaiser



Well Mr. Kaiser, since you wrote the code and so know that the
solutions offered here by the other posters won't work
"as I don't think there is one."
you could have written as much here earlier
and so saved Mr. Mullen from his frustrating experiences and
needing to make his exasperated posting.


Well, actually Mr. Rostyslaw "Smartass" Lewyckyj, Robert was the first 
to answer, and he said that SeaMonkey needs to force-set a certain set 
of zoom levels (different than the Firefox defaults IIUC) for 
localization reasons.


Of course, no one could guess that Mr. Mullen was "being driven crazy" 
(his words) until he told us so.



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Re: HTML display inside feeds not working

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 17/04/11 05:04, MCBastos wrote:

I have been away for a while, now I'm back with a weird problem...

Suddenly, my Seamonkey (2.0.13) stopped displaying the images linked
from the entry summaries in Atom feeds. Even from old messages. I think
it's affecting RSS feeds too, but other than the Blogger ones (which are
all Atom), I don't recall which feeds are RSS and which ones are Atom.

I tried a lot of things.

I tried turning off, then back on, "View/Display Attachments Inline." No
dice.

I tried fiddling with "View/Feed Message Body As".
The upper part seems to be locked in "Original HTML" -- I attempted
changing it to "Simple HTML" or "Plain Text", and not only the message
stays the same, but the menu option stays selected as "Original HTML."
The lower part is selected as "Summary", which is where it was before. I
tried changing it to "Web Page," and it works -- after a fashion: it
loads the full web page instead of the summary. But what I want, what
worked before, is the summary -- the full page is much slower to load,
and sometimes is filled with troublesome scripts.

I tried fiddling with the character encoding. That's the only thing that
gave me some slim results: when I change the "View/Character
Encoding/Auto-detect" setting -- no matter from which value to which --
the message is reloaded and the linked images displayed. But not
perfectly: when I do this, the header is displayed in the body of the
message, in a badly formatted way. Worse, this trick only affects the
message currently being displayed: go to another message, and the
problem is back. Go back to the "fixed" message, and it's back there, too.

I tried reinstalling Seamonkey over itself to check if it was some
corrupted program file. No dice.

I really don't know that to attempt next, other than starting from
scratch with a new profile. And, while I know how to do that and have
done so in the past (I have been using Seamonkey's predecessors all the
way back to Netscape 2, at least), I really would like to avoid the
considerable work that would be involved in setting all my stuff back.

Any ideas?



I'm using SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre, and there might be differences, but I've 
noticed recently that some HTML message came up garbled (especially in 
email here though). I noticed after some fiddling that hitting F5 almost 
always restored the correct view. Maybe you should try that?


Another possibility would be a firewall or proxy blocking the images but 
I don't think that is it.


A corrupt program file is less often a problem than an obsolete file, 
which was present in older builds but has disappeared in recent ones, 
and has not been removed by a reinstall of the program over itself. That 
has caused me no end of trouble in the past, and reinstalling the 
program again wouldn't cure it, because unpacking the archive is a 
strictly additive process, it never removes anything (at least on Linux 
where I am). The solution was to remove the "old" installation folder 
and all its contents just before unpacking the "new" archive (for 
instance here on Linux, and for the version I'm using:


rm -Rvf /usr/local/seamonkey
tar -jxvC /usr/local -f seamonkey-2.2a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2

). Doing this doesn't touch my Preferences or my Extensions because they 
are elsewhere, in my profile folder (somewhere under my home directory), 
not under the installation directory.



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Re: The line break that isn't?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 15/04/11 01:00, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I've noticed a strange behavior from SM in my outgoing mail: if I send a
line that exceeds 72 characters and contains Asian text at the end, the
program inserts an extraneous space at every 72nd character, but it
doesn't actually force a line break (more below). For Western text, it
doesn't break words this way, but for Asian text it does.

For example, when I posted the following sentence to a mailing list
(without these line breaks):

I get 27,500 hits for +"핸디폰" (haendiphon), vs. 37.2
million for 핸드폰 (haendeuphon) and 3.4 million for
+"이동 전화" (idong cheonhwa, the native term).

SeaMonkey inserted a space between 핸드 and 폰 (breaking the word), so
the middle of the sentence looked like this:

vs. 37.2 million for 핸드 폰 (haendeuphon)

instead of this:

vs. 37.2 million for 핸드폰 (haendeuphon)

As nearly as I can tell by viewing the source code of this message, SM
did break the line at this point, inserting a space, but unbroke it for
display purposes, and failed to delete the extraneous space when
displaying the message.

So I guess my question is, do we have an option to tell SM not to break
Korean words at line ends? I'd like it to treat them with just as much
respect as English words -- either carry over the entire word, or not.



I don't know if there is an option, but IIUC the reason for this 
behaviour is that sometimes in CJK languages whole sentences are written 
without word breaks, and linebreaks may happen between any two wide 
glyphs if required by the width of the text column.


With the email "format=flowed" convention, the text is transmitted over 
the Net in "reasonably" short lines, then reassembled on arrival and 
displayed in the whole width of the receiving mailer's window. This 
convention was thought up by people using "alphabetic" scripts where all 
words are separated by spaces, so whenever a linebreak is suppressed a 
space is added in its stead.


I don't see anything relevant in Edit → Preferences, but in about:config 
I see two Boolean preferences by filtering on "flowed" (without the 
quotes): you might try toggling one of them, the other, or both, and see 
what happens.



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Re: Support for large mail boxes

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 12/04/11 17:39, Mike wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:


Mike, I have about a dozen additional folders on my Mail account into
which I drag-and-drop my mail, e.g. 2011_Family, 2011_Jokes, 2011_Linux,
etc.

Then, on New Years Day (or there-abouts), I move all these folders onto
my Local Folders account, and give myself a new set of folders on the
mail account.

Using Local Folders means all my mail is with-in easy reach.


At the risk of being a little transparent:

http://www.phivegills.com/seamonkey.png

I do use the global inbox feature, and then mainly filter email based on
account into sub folders of the Inbox. I do this to avoid vertical
scrolling in the left folder view pane. Am I "doing it wrong"?



Probably not; but I see two "Inbox" folders in your screenshot. Surely 
they are not both the Global Inbox? Also, I don't see any "Local 
Folders" account?



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Re: Support for large mail boxes

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 12/04/11 14:44, Daniel wrote:

Mike wrote:

I use Seamonkey (2.0.13) to check several mail boxes. I've used this
software since before Moz Suite supported tabbed browsing. My point is,
I have a lot of email. And I like SM but it's crawling. I've compacted
all the folders, but changing from one account or folder or email to
another takes 5 to 10 seconds sometimes, rarely even more. Frequent
pauses in composing emails happens as well.

A couple POP accounts have about 2000 messages, another has 7K, and my
main POP account has about 14k. I delete junk and unimportant messages
such as list email, so what is left is mail I wish to have for search or
archive.

Am I seeing expected behavior for the size of mailboxes I have? If not
what can I tune? If not, how can I archive mail older than a certain
date in a manner that I can quickly/easily get to it for search? TIA!



Mike, I have about a dozen additional folders on my Mail account into
which I drag-and-drop my mail, e.g. 2011_Family, 2011_Jokes, 2011_Linux,
etc.

Then, on New Years Day (or there-abouts), I move all these folders onto
my Local Folders account, and give myself a new set of folders on the
mail account.

Using Local Folders means all my mail is with-in easy reach.

HTH

Daniel


...and I use the Global Inbox (Inbox on Local Folders) but I don't keep 
mail there: I have filters to sort "repeat mail" to separate folders 
(e.g. anything from bugzilla-dae...@mozilla.org goes to a "Mozilla 
bugmail" folder); when it's harder to automate I move them about 
manually, and of course there's the Junk folder for spam. The result is 
that at the end of the day my Inbox folder is empty.


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Re: It seems going to HTML source more than once just trashes my heading etc.

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 12/04/11 13:05, Rick Merrill wrote:

KRUB wrote:

Well, thanks Tony but the lines are blank, not continuations of
anything. It doesn't seem to happen in the body. But this is a minor
hindrance compared to the editor going wacko on me. I don't use it
for e-mails, I am continually editing a WEB site and it is not an
option.


The blank lines only affect our personal sense of coding aesthetics. I
have seen the same thing so I keep my own lines trimmed and use
SeaMonkey Composer and that keeps
the problem minimal.


As I said, a truly *empty* line (with not even a space in it) marks the 
end of the headers, so it affects more than just aesthetics. OTOH, a 
blank *nonempty* line in the headers (i.e. a line consisting of *at 
least one* space or tab) *is* technically a continuation line -- it adds 
one space to the previous line, which normally makes no difference.




My guess is that there is a residual 'formatted' embedded somewhere in
the code.



And to make sure there is no misunderstanding, by "headers" I mean email 
or newsgroup headers: here are those of the message to which I'm 
replying here, and the next line is empty:


(I'm using "Paste as Quotation" to avoid additional line breaks) (Notice 
the continuation line starting with one space after the "Subject:" line, 
and also notice the absence of embedded empty lines.)



Path: 
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Re: It seems going to HTML source more than once just trashes my heading etc.

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 10/04/11 19:03, KRUB wrote:

First of all, what is with all the line spaces (in source) that are
getting put in?  I often see 5 blank lines added between lines in my
header.


Blank lines or empty lines?

Empty lines should not happen between header lines, since the fist blank 
line is what separates "headers" from "body".


Lines beginning with whitespace (i.e. with spaces or tabs) are 
continuation lines, they should be regarded as "continuing" the previous 
line: the leading whitespace and the preceding linebreak together are 
treated as just one space.


Now a line consisting only of *one* or more spaces (a blank line which 
is not an empty line)... I'm not 100% sure, but I think that the 
receiving mailer would treat such a line as if it didn't exist.



It seems if I go back and forth between source and regular more than
once or twice sea monkey decides to change all my "<" type characters
to their html equivalent.  the ones in the header that are not
supposed to be "equivalent."  Something is going to have to change
else I'm going to be forced to find another editor, something really
strange about Seamonkey.  This just started recently too.  The line
spaces I've had before and the problem went away and now it is back.


Hm. Apparently the HTML composer is not 100% perfect. Personally I 
prefer sending my messages in plaintext; YMMV.



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Re: What do these SeaMonkey errors mean?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 10/04/11 23:32, Robert Gault wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 09/04/11 16:20, Robert Gault wrote:

I clear the SeaMonkey 2.0.13 error console, set the home page to Blank
Page, and leave SeaMonkey. The next time SeaMonkey is started, the error
console shows five warnings:
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 615
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 616
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 617
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 619
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 914

Lines 615-619
@import url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.css");
@import url("chrome://communicator/skin/");
@import
url("chrome://communicator/skin/bookmarks/bookmarksToolbar.css");

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);

Line 914
white-space: -moz-pre-wrap;

Are these known bugs or is my installation at fault?
WinXP SP3 Home system


There ought to be nothing before an @import rule, except maybe comments,
blank lines, and other @import rules (this is a W3C requirement on the
CSS @import rule syntax). More than six hundred lines with only comments
and other @import rules in them sounds a little bizarre to me.

What theme are you using? These errors seem (IIUC) to point to a
navigator.css file in your theme, but (AFAICT) the one in my SeaMonkey
default skin (but it's a trunk build, 2.2a1pre not 2.0.13) has a
"License block" as a comment at lines 1-37, line 38 is empty, and the
three @import lines, empty line, and @namespace line which you quote are
at lines 39-43. The whole file (seen in Vim on Linux as
zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/omni.jar::chrome/classic/skin/classic/navigator/navigator.css)

is 716 lines long. But then the Linux default theme might be different
from the Windows default theme.

In the Modern theme's navigator.css
(zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi::chrome/modern/skin/modern/navigator/navigator.css),

I see those same lines one line further down (i.e. at lines 38-44) and
the style sheet is 902 lines long. I wouldn't expect the *Modern* theme
to be very different across platforms. Yet this is the "trunk" version.


Best regards,
Tony.


Thank you Tony. You spotted the source of the problem if not the exact
cause.

I'm not sure how/why this occurred but I was using Classic Default as a
theme. Switching to SeaMonkey Default removed the errors and reverting
to Classic Default returned them.

I guess I'll stay with SeaMonkey Default. If this classifies as a bug,
maybe you can report it.

Robert


I can't report it because I can't reproduce it: in my version of 
SeaMonkey, the only built-in themes are "SeaMonkey default" and 
"Modern", and neither of them gives me that bug.


If you think it worthwhile, you should report it yourself, since only 
you can give all details of what you did and what happened.


If that "Classic default" theme you mention was not distributed built-in 
with SeaMonkey (if it was something you installed separately), then you 
should complain to the theme author, i.e. not to Mozilla unless the 
author *was* Mozilla.


(And you may or may not know that bugs for Mozilla products including 
SeaMonkey are reported at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ , that you need 
to register -- or, if you already did, to make sure you are logged-in -- 
before you can open a new bug, and that the cost of registering is $0.00.)



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Re: What do these SeaMonkey errors mean?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 09/04/11 16:20, Robert Gault wrote:

I clear the SeaMonkey 2.0.13 error console, set the home page to Blank
Page, and leave SeaMonkey. The next time SeaMonkey is started, the error
console shows five warnings:
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 615
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 616
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 617
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 619
Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'.
chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 914

Lines 615-619
@import url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.css");
@import url("chrome://communicator/skin/");
@import url("chrome://communicator/skin/bookmarks/bookmarksToolbar.css");

@namespace
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);

Line 914
white-space: -moz-pre-wrap;

Are these known bugs or is my installation at fault?
WinXP SP3 Home system


There ought to be nothing before an @import rule, except maybe comments, 
blank lines, and other @import rules (this is a W3C requirement on the 
CSS @import rule syntax). More than six hundred lines with only comments 
and other @import rules in them sounds a little bizarre to me.


What theme are you using? These errors seem (IIUC) to point to a 
navigator.css file in your theme, but (AFAICT) the one in my SeaMonkey 
default skin (but it's a trunk build, 2.2a1pre not 2.0.13) has a 
"License block" as a comment at lines 1-37, line 38 is empty, and the 
three @import lines, empty line, and @namespace line which you quote are 
at lines 39-43. The whole file (seen in Vim on Linux as 
zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/omni.jar::chrome/classic/skin/classic/navigator/navigator.css) 
is 716 lines long. But then the Linux default theme might be different 
from the Windows default theme.


In the Modern theme's navigator.css 
(zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi::chrome/modern/skin/modern/navigator/navigator.css), 
I see those same lines one line further down (i.e. at lines 38-44) and 
the style sheet is 902 lines long. I wouldn't expect the *Modern* theme 
to be very different across platforms. Yet this is the "trunk" version.



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Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 09/04/11 14:30, WLS wrote:
[...]

I like Tony's multirow tab bar.

WLS


I just uploaded my current SeaMonkey userChrome.css as 
http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/userChrome-seamonkey.css


That file lives in the chrome subfolder of the profile, and doesn't 
exist by default. Rename it to userChrome.css and (re)start SeaMonkey in 
order to use it. You may want to eyeball it and make some changes, 
perhaps with the help of the DOM Inspector.



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Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 09/04/11 04:31, NoOp wrote:

On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote:

[...]

Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just
collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going
out on a limb with that statement.


You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top
with SeaMonkey?


:-) http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/tabs-on-top.png

The multirow tab bar is an enhancement from my userChrome.css -- you may 
disregard it if what interests you is only the "tabs on top in 
SeaMonkey" concept.


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Re: SeaMonkey with Thunderbird and Firefox?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/04/11 05:18, Jay O'Brien wrote:

I would like to install Thunderbird and Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey so that I can verify ISP and server 
problems with "supported" applications and avoid the support personnel finger pointing to the 
"unsupported" and unknown to them "SeaMonkey".

My ISP has an intermittent SMTP problem I've tried to get them to fix, they say 
it is my unsupported mail client.  My bank had an access problem they blamed on 
SeaMonkey, but the Bank ultimately fixed their problem. I would like to be able 
to avoid these issues, but I want to continue to use SeaMonkey.

Is it possible to install Thunderbird in addition to SeaMonkey so that it will 
use the SeaMonkey profile and mail files? Is it possible to install Firefox in 
addition to SeaMonkey and have it use the SeaMonkey profile, password, and 
bookmark files?

It is my desire to be able to use Thunderbird or Firefox when troubleshooting a 
problem, thus avoiding the support folks blaming SeaMonkey for the problem 
being reviewed.

Help Please?

Jay O'Brien
Folsom, California


First, the bad news:
- You can NEVER use one profile in more than one program instance at a time.
- Normally you shouldn't use a single profile in different applications, 
there may be incompatibilities between them. For instance in the past, 
Firefox moved its bookmarks from bookmark.htm (or something) to 
places.sqlite much earlier than SeaMonkey did. Some preferences may have 
different meanings or different defaults. And so on. (Whenever a Mozilla 
app sees that a preference has been set to what has now become the 
current default, it omits the preference when saving at closedown. The 
next time the default changes, you'll get the new default. Now if a 
Boolean pref defaults to true in Firefox and to false in SeaMonkey... 
YSWIM.)
- It *is* possible to run Firefox and/or SeaMonkey and/or Thunderbird 
all at the same time, but each with its own profile. You might even set 
up the same mail accounts in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird, but in that 
case, if it's a POP3 server, you'll probably want one of them to "Leave 
mail on server". (For IMAP4 leaving mail on server is the normal 
behaviour.) Similarly you may define the same bookmarks and passwords in 
the *different* profiles used by SeaMonkey and Firefox.


And now the good news:
- With Firefox 4 (or later), SeaMonkey 2.1 beta (or later), you may use 
Sync to synchronise passwords, bookmarks, etc. between different 
profiles, even between Firefox (for desktop/laptop), Firefox-mobile (for 
smartphone) and SeaMonkey. On recent builds, you don't even need an 
extension for that.



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Re: Tab Browsing

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 03/04/11 23:29, Danny Kile wrote:

Tab Browsing, my browser use to open a new tab to the right of the
active tab. It now open all the way to the right. I can not seem to find
the setting where I controlled this. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you, Danny


IIUC it's the preference browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent (in 
about:config ). Depending on your browser version, there may or may not 
be a checkbox or radiobutton for it somewhere under Edit → Preferences.


_Possible values_
true = right of parent
false = at far right

The doc ( http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries then search for 
"browser. tabs. insertRelatedAfterCurrent" without the quotes but with a 
space after each full stop) says the default is true in Fx4.0 and later, 
false in Fx3.6, not governed by a pref (and always behaves like "false") 
in Fx3.5 and earlier, doesn't say whether it applies also to SeaMonkey 
(but the pref exists and defaults to true in my Sm2.2a1pre).


_Version equivalence_ (disregarding sub-versions, alpha/beta, etc., and 
also obsolete versions)

Gecko Firefox  SeaMonkey
1.9.1 3.5  2.0
1.9.2 3.6  n/a
2.0   4.0  2.1
2.2   4.2  2.2

Note that prefs which happen to be set at their default value are 
forgotten, with the result that if you switch back and forth between two 
versions which have different defaults for a boolean pref, that pref's 
setting will be forgotten: the pref will be "forced to default" and will 
thereafter behave according to whatever is the current default. See 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js for a possible workaround.



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Re: Mail Outbox

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 29/03/11 17:44, JohnW-Mpls wrote:


On my SM Mail page, the Local Folder has an Outbox.  Is the operation
of that Outbox described anywhere?  I did not find it in Help.

A few weeks ago I started to send 4 messages with similar content to 4
different addresses every day and the Outbox is handy for mailing all
four about the same time each day.  To separate things, I copied the
Outbox icon from under the Local Folder to under the "4 massage"
account so releasing affects only that 4.   Well, the Outbox looks
pretty there but it's totally worthless - can't get anything into it,
or out of it, nor even delete the dumb icon.

So help: any way to use an Outbox per account?  Or, how can I delete
that excess Icon?



Take what I say below with a grain of salt: I'm certain of nothing.

I *think* that the Outbox is used to store temporarily messages on which 
you have clicked "Send" but whose sending has not yet either succeeded 
or failed. Maybe it is needed, but only for internal use by the mailer.


I *think* that a folder (which may be called Outbox if your locale is 
English, but also something else if you're in a different locale) is "an 
outbox" is marked by flags set on that folder. Perhaps there is some 
extension to help you see those flags, or even manipulate them.



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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 28/03/11 22:40, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
[...]

Weird -- I just tried it myself and the two files had slightly different
sizes. Wonder what's going on...



If the difference in size is equal to the number of lines, it could be 
because text sent by mail MUST be in Dos/Windows format (with both CR 
and LF, or 0x0D 0x0A, at the end of every line) and the mailer will 
convert it if necessary; while text stored on a Unix computer is usually 
in Unix format (LF only, or 0x0A without 0x0D). IIUC (but I might be 
wrong) the Mac convention used to be CR alone but on Mac OS X the Unix 
conventions are used.



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Re: Does Seamonkey use latest Firefox "engine"?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 28/03/11 03:34, NoOp wrote:

On 03/27/2011 01:18 AM, Stereotactic wrote:



On 03/27/2011 01:45 PM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,

Stereotactic a tapoté, le 27/03/2011 06:43:

Does Sea Monkey use the
firefox "rendering engine"?


I can say :

Seamonkey 2.0 ~ Thunderbird 3.0 + Firefox 3.5

Seamonkey 2.1 ~ Thunderbird 3.3 + Firefox 4.0

Where can I download the latest build? Does this have a ppa for Ubuntu
10.10? I'd be more than happy to report bugs and assist around here on
the lists.



PPA - Joe is quite reliable:
https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey-2-test

However, its just as easy to down load from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.1b2
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1b2/

extract to a home folder&  run from there. Be aware that many/most of
your extensions etc will *not* work (including lightning) unless you
know how to modify the extension files.


...or which pref to create in about:config to forbid auto-disabling of 
incompatible addons.


Lightning 1.0b4pre is compatible with SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre (and, I think, 
also with 2.1b3pre): it works quite well, even without a compatibility 
override.




Were I you, I wouldn't count on the Ubuntu maintainers for valid
updates/maintenance:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey
You can see that even Natty (yet to be released) is still at
2.0.11+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
and IMO the Ubuntu "maintainers" are not only non-existent, but are also
negligent as they've added no security patches/updates in 14 weeks.

You're better off relying on Joe Leskow, or using the builds directly
from Mozilla. Anything "mozilla" on Unbuntu outside of Firefox or
Thunderbird is both suspect and unmaintained.




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Re: Some thoughts

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 28/03/11 01:22, Ray_Net wrote:

Stereotactic wrote:

.




AAs I understand it, the volunteers working on SeaMonkey a in the
process of making thie mail & Newsgroup screen become a tab in the
browser but not quite there yet.



I have zero coding skills :( But I am very keen to work for the browser.
Please tell me where to start from; I'd be glad to assist (just have
some prior academic commitments though- but should be over by end of
this month:)

And yes, that would be great.


No ! I prefer to have mails&News separated ...


Oh, even if it becomes a tab, you can always open that tab in a new window.

I guess though, that having a browser URL bar on top of the 3-pane 
MailNews window would take some getting used to.


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Re: Back and Forward buttons don't work

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 14:45, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Daniel wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Alex wrote:
[snip]

The clicked email link opens in a new window but I don't want to go
back to email but start navigating within the browser and it
doesn't work.


So then, I've already answered your question. You open the clicked
link in a new window. There are no links in this window to go back
to. If you want to "navigate" from there, you'll have to click on a
link in the page's content somewhere .. a menu or whatever .. or
type something in the location bar .. but there are *no* back links
in the history of that window (or forward links until you've gone
somewhere else and then back).


Alex, if I read between the lines a bit, maybe you mean that you have a
browser page open, then clicking on the link replaces the web site you
were at and you are wanting to get back to the page that you had open.


I thought that might be possible, so is why I asked the pointed
question. To which he answered: "The clicked email link opens in a new
window". Since new windows have no history yet, it is what fits.  :-)



There are two possible solutions that jump to my mind:
* If you change your preferences to open the link in the same tab, the 
Back and Forward buttons will work as expected.
* If you install the "Duplicate This Tab" extension, you'll be able to 
click right on a link, then "Open Link in Duplicated Tab" which will 
duplicate the history, allowing you to use Back and Forward in the new 
tab. The same extension offers, by right-clicking on a tab in the tab 
bar, "Duplicate to New Window", which copies that tab, with its history, 
to a new window, and "Detach Tab", which moves the tab (with its 
history) out of its current window and into a new one.



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Re: Thank you, SeaMonkey developers.

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 18:25, Dano wrote:

On Mar 23, 8:25 am, Stan  wrote:

I'd like to express my appreciation to all the developers and others who
have devoted themselves to keeping SeaMonkey alive and still the most
logical way for integrating browser, mail, newsgroups, and other things.

I started in 1997 with Netscape and thanks to so many of you I am still
going strong on that path with SeaMonkey.  Thank you again for making
this possible.

Stan Pierce


Hey Stan...
Thanks for stating this publicly. I whole-heartedly agree with your
comments.
I have been using Netscape, and then SeaMonkey for many years.
I have encouraged a number of my friends to use it as well.
One of my "selling points" is that hackers and virus writers go for
the "more popular" or "better known" browsers.
SeaMonkey is not one of those, so I'm convinced that it (we) are not
in their line of fire.

Thnx...Dano


Maybe, maybe not. The Gecko rendering engine is common to Firefox, 
Thunderbird and SeaMonkey, remember, so exploits targeting Firefox could 
conceivably hit (Thunderbird HTML and) SeaMonkey as well. It is true 
though, that MSIE and Windows still have the bigger share of the 
worldwide market, so on SeaMonkey on Linux I don't feel like being near 
the center of the enemy's fire.



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Re: Does Seamonkey use latest Firefox "engine"?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 06:43, Stereotactic wrote:

Hi!

I am new here so please excuse my naivette. Does Sea Monkey use the
firefox "rendering engine"? If yes, what does it take to use the latest
Firefox 4 and combine it with thunderbird code base to give best of both
the worlds in Sea Monkey?

I had earlier used it but found it to be slower than FF 3.6 so dropped
the idea. With release of FF 4, I am excited to use "ALL IN ONE" app.

What is the way forward?

Thanks!



With SeaMonkey 2.1x and later, it's easy to know which Firefox version 
is built on the same version of the Gecko rendering engine as your 
current SeaMonkey version: if you have "Advertise Firefox compatibility" 
ticked in your "Advanced / HTTP Networking" preferences (which is the 
default), you'll see the equivalent Firefox version mentioned on the 
last line of Help => About SeaMonkey, for instance like this:


* Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) 
Gecko/20110327 Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre


This is the latest "bleeding-edge" nightly I'm using, and I'm happy with 
it; but as Robert Kaiser said, there are unfixed bugs in it -- 
apparently in parts I'm not using, but YMMV. For slightly "more 
conservative" testing, SeaMonkey 2.1, equivalent to Firefox 4.0, also 
includes this "Firefox version" feature. Its "beta 2" version (SeaMonkey 
2.1b2) has been released around Valentine's day, or you can get the 
latest SeaMonkey 2.1 nightlies from 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-2.0/ (or 
latest-comm-2.0-l10n if you want menus & messages in some language other 
than United States English).



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Re: For those who upgraded their AdBlock Plus to v1.3.5 in SM v2.0.x... (P.S.)

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 22:57, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 27/03/11 16:43, Ant wrote:

Hello!

I just upgraded my AdBlock Plus extension v1.3.3 to v1.3.5 in Mozilla's
SeaMonkey v1.3.5 and restarted it. Then, I noticed its new toolbar icon
in Mail & Newsgroups window:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1139/mailandnewssm2013abp135.jpg ...
Did anyone else get this too?

I saw this in my old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I did not see
this problem in my Debian/Linux computer though. I posted my issue in
ABP's forum: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7217 just
in case. I wanted to see if other SM2 users have this problem too or if
it was just me.

Thank you in advance. :)


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110327
Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre
ID:20110327003001

Now that you mention it, I see the Adblock Plus icon in the MailNews
window. I don't see it as a problem; in fact, to me it would be normal
for Adblock Plus to "do its stuff" in HTML mail, or in RSS articles, or
in the "Mail Start Page", all of which are in HTML and may appear in the
preview pane of the 3-pane window.

And since I don't regard it as a problem, I couldn't say when that icon
first appeared.


Best regards,
Tony.


P.S.: Ah, sorry, you meant in the toolbar, not in the statusbar. I have 
"Show in Toolbar" unchecked in my ABP preferences, so I don't see the 
icon in any toolbar, and also not on the buttons customization palette. 
But of course if I checked it it would appear either in a toolbar or in 
the palette on every window where I now have the ABP icon in the bottom 
right corner.


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Re: For those who upgraded their AdBlock Plus to v1.3.5 in SM v2.0.x...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 16:43, Ant wrote:

Hello!

I just upgraded my AdBlock Plus extension v1.3.3 to v1.3.5 in Mozilla's
SeaMonkey v1.3.5 and restarted it. Then, I noticed its new toolbar icon
in Mail & Newsgroups window:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1139/mailandnewssm2013abp135.jpg ...
Did anyone else get this too?

I saw this in my old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I did not see
this problem in my Debian/Linux computer though. I posted my issue in
ABP's forum: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7217 just
in case. I wanted to see if other SM2 users have this problem too or if
it was just me.

Thank you in advance. :)


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110327 
Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre

ID:20110327003001

Now that you mention it, I see the Adblock Plus icon in the MailNews 
window. I don't see it as a problem; in fact, to me it would be normal 
for Adblock Plus to "do its stuff" in HTML mail, or in RSS articles, or 
in the "Mail Start Page", all of which are in HTML and may appear in the 
preview pane of the 3-pane window.


And since I don't regard it as a problem, I couldn't say when that icon 
first appeared.



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Re: Future of PPC support in Seamonkey

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 27/03/11 00:34, PhillipJones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Adam Jimerson wrote:

Unless something has changed Seamonkey 2.1 is still no long
compatible with PPC correct?


Correct. The platform SM 2.1 will be based on, Mozilla 2.0, dropped PPC
support.



1. Is this so important ... dropping PPC support ?
2. BTW What is PPC ?


PowerPC that used a RISC Processor from Motorola

Yes it important I just updated to Intel Machine only 3 weeks ago. And
it cost me a good 6 thousand to do so. Counting the Computer and the
Software. Just updating Software has cost me about 2-2.5 K. Not everyone
can afford to upgrade. I really can't I had to dig into my retirement
fund to do. When your 62 (Monday the 28th) and already.


Thousands? Dollars, presumably? Good gracious! Sounds totally out of 
proportion to me -- but what do I know? I don't use my computer to write 
synthetic music or to produce complex computer-assisted 3D drawings, not 
to mention animation movies. A week or two ago I upgraded my Linux tower 
to a twin-core 2.8 GHz x86_64 (Pentium 4) with 2GiB RAM in a somewhat 
smaller case than the older one and it cost me (including a laser 
printer) a mere couple of hundred euros. Yes, hundreds, not thousands; 
but I already had a working keyboard, screen and ADSL interface which 
could be fitted to the new machine. I even brought back into service a 
couple of speakers which had been collecting dust on top of a shelf for 
at least five years. Software cost me exactly 0.00€; even the download 
volume for the x86_64 version of the OS, and then for the next release, 
did not (and by far) exceed my monthly allowance (above which my 
pay-by-month Internet contract becomes 1€ per additional gigabyte). As 
for horsepower, this machine handles over 150 browser tabs, plus 
mailnews, chat, and CD audio playback, all at the same time with no 
apparent problem -- my CPUs seem to be typically some 60% idle.




10.7 Lion will be even more of a shock. there will be absolutely no
scintilla of PowerPC code. In fact Universal Binary will be a thing of
the pass as even Rosetta will be removed. So I ill have even more apps
That I will have to replace. Eventually this update will likely cost me
10K over time. But computer makers and software designers don't care
about financial hardships , what they do impose upon Users.

The days of using a Pencil and paper are gone. And its costly own a
Computer. Sure you can get a 2-400 dollar computer at WalMart. But if
you want to do more than get on the internet. You better have something
with some horsepower. And, horsepower takes Dough. Apple use to to the
most expensive Computers. But I've been in a computer store here that
sells Dell and other PCs and there are some Dells that cost as much Macs.



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Re: Seamonkey No Longer Working

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 26/03/11 14:52, The Devil wrote:

I have downloaded the latest version 2.0.13 and since then Seamonkey
has stopped working. I cannot access any websites seamonkey just hangs
at the loading screen. I therefore reloaded 2.0.12 and am encountering
the same problem. I have been using Seamonkey for many years and am
frustrated and disappointed that such a good browser is no longer
funtional.


Something must have happened, probably something that you did, but the 
way you tell it it's hard to say what, or to reproduce the problem. More 
details would be welcome; or if you have the time you might also want to 
read "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way" at 
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



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Re: Using Lightning with shared calendars (Linux)

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 24/03/11 23:49, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Is there any documentation which doesn't assume you are using Windows or
that you knew the answer before you asked the question? I would like to
set up a site calendar and use a google calender, which would be a total
of three, the UID on the local machine, the shared calendar for the site
on all my machines, and my google calendar.

I do not have windows, exchange, Microsoft software, or any desire to
change that. I find (really) about 100 links telling me to select
new->calendar->network and the location of the calendar, but no way to
guess what location or format it wants, or where google stores their
calendar. I can skip that and run my own on site if I can find out what
the calendar server program is.

Is this (a) very hard, or (b) documented by Windows people and gurus?



In the development cycle, Lightning skipped Gecko 1.9.1 while SeaMonkey 
skipped 1.9.2. This means that there is no Lightning version which 
officially supports SeaMonkey 2.0.x. OTOH, the latest Lightning 
nightlies are compatible with the latest SeaMonkey nightlies (SeaMonkey 
2.1b3pre and maybe even 2.2a1pre), since both are based on Gecko 2.x.


If you want read-write access to a Google calendar, you need to install 
the "Provider for Google Calendar" (gdata-provider.xpi) extension 
compiled from the same sources as your Lightning version. Both can be 
found together in the appropriate subfolder of 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/ (for 
nightly builds) or of 
ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/ 
(for release builds).


OTOH, if read-only access is enough, and especially if the Google 
calendar owner shares it with "anyone", you can define your Google 
calendar to Lightning as an ICS calendar *instead* of as a Google 
calendar. In this case the Provider for Google Calendar is not necessary.


In both cases I recommend to use the "ICAL" URL found as follows: in the 
drop-down found next to the calendar name on the Google "Calendar" page, 
select "Share this Calendar", then near top left of the next page, 
"Calendar details", and after that click right and "Copy Link Location" 
on one of the two green ICAL buttons near the bottom. The "Private 
Address" is for use only by the owner of the calendar while the 
"Calendar Address" above it is for use by anyone who has been given 
access to it. The difference between read-write access (with 
gdata-provider.xpi installed) and read-only access (with or without it) 
is that you select either "Google calendar" or "ICS/ICAL calendar" in 
the first popup when "creating" a new calendar in Lightning.


See also https://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:GDATA_Provider


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Re: Spoofing with SM 2.1

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 24/03/11 22:15, NoOp wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

I am using SM 2.0.12.  My bank's Web site is sniffing for "Firefox" in a
strange way.

If I use the UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17)
Gecko/20110123 SeaMonkey/2.0.12, NOT Firefox/3.6.15
or the UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17)
Gecko/20110123 SeaMonkey/2.0.12 Firefox/3.6.15
(without the ", NOT"), I still have a problem.

If I use the UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15)
   Gecko/20110303 Firefox/3.6.1
or the UA string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17)
Gecko/20110123 NOT Firefox/3.6.15 BUT INSTEAD
SeaMonkey/2.0.12,
the problem goes away.

Apparently "Firefox" has to be found before "SeaMonkey".

What is the sequence for SM 2.1?  If it has "SeaMonkey" before
"Firefox", how can I switch them?



2.1b2 has:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b11)
Gecko/20110209 Firefox/4.0b11 SeaMonkey/2.1b2


Yes, and one of the latest nightlies has (on my machine):

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110325 
Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre


This is the default. It is possible to remove the Firefox/something part 
via a preference (under Advanced => HTTP networking) but apparently you 
wouldn't even need that.




Also see:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference


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Re: Future of PPC support in Seamonkey

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 26/03/11 02:12, Rufus wrote:

No, but I will - thanks for the pointer.

I think I'd prefer Safari to FireFox, and TB would be a fair companion
to it as a newsreader. Right now I use SM...and I may just hang in there
with it once PPC support vanishes. I imagine Apple will do the same with
Safari at some point.



Hm... Have you tinkered with your user-agent, or are you maybe on a 
different machine? Your newsreader identifies itself as


User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; 
rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110320 SeaMonkey/2.0.13


i.e., as running on an Intel Mac.


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Re: Thank you, SeaMonkey developers.

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 23/03/11 20:00, PhillipJones wrote:
[...]

I will use SM as my preferred Browser and Email/News Client and FF3.6.x
as my back up Browser. I'm not going to ff4 I've tried the beta just put
out. And it’s a bunch of junk.



Personally, I wouldn't say that Fx4 is just a bunch of junk, though time 
and again (starting at Fx1 and possibly earlier) I've seen the Firefox 
guys change some perfectly working parts of the UI, just for the sake of 
gadgetry. OTOH, SeaMonkey has profited by what's good in Firefox, while 
at the same time leaving aside the useless gadgetry: for instance, in 
Sm2.0 the Preferences backend underwent a complete overhaul to bring it 
in line with the Toolkit backend used on Fx&Tb (picking up a "real" 
extensions manager as an important side benefit), while at the same time 
conserving the functional, no-nonsense Preferences look&feel which dates 
back to Netscape 4.7 and, I suppose, earlier. Sync is now an integral 
part of SeaMonkey, even allowing synching between SeaMonkey and Firefox, 
though of course in SeaMonkey we don't call it "Firefox" Sync. The 
throbber link was kept when the Firefox guys gratuitously removed it. 
The DOM Inspector and ChatZilla components are still distributed with 
SeaMonkey, while in Firefox they are separate extensions. SeaMonkey 
nightlies have even got a built-in "Debug & QA UI" component which AFAIK 
is not even available to Firefox testers. The status bar is still there 
in SeaMonkey, even with a button for each of Browser, Mail, Composer, 
Address Book and Chat, while the Fx guys seemingly jumped through hoops 
in order to have a status bar which is both present and absent. The tabs 
are still where they belong, presenting an obvious material boundary 
between what comes from the website (the "content") and what comes from 
the browser (the "chrome")... And so on and so forth.



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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote:

I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18
and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in
c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles
I like to put it in my daily autobackup.

While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a
bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have
they hidden it?


Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x?

In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file
bookmarks.html in your profile directory.

In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile
directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension
.sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in
places.sqlite.



Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x  Why they put this txt file
into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ?


They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's 
a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database 
to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the 
Bookmarks Manager, then "Tools => Export HTML" in it).


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 30/12/10 04:26, NoOp wrote:

On 12/29/2010 06:33 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

- will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars?


That's my biggest concern, too.:-)


Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support
for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2
which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on.

We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning
users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee
anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import
improved in the near future.



Then you'd be seriously mistaken. Users have spent considerable time&
effort integrating lightning calendars&  data into their systems. If you
think that there was backlash with SM 1.1.x and forms, wait until they
try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no
longer are compatible.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=1248265



The solution is mentioned there too: don't use in-profile calendars (in 
the proprietary Mozilla format), export them (or create them) as *.ics 
calendars somewhere else on your HD. In that format they should even be 
compatible with the no-longer-supported Sunbird program.




I *highly* recommend that the "Council" sort out the issues (personal
and technical) with the SeaMonkey&  Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1
release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space
with MS Office&  other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO
seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's
future.





The main problem with Lightning is that *Lightning* is practically a 
one-man operation, and a busy man at that. Alas for us, he cannot afford 
to dedicate all his time to Lightning, so fixes to Lightning bugs 
(sometimes including bugs very annoying to the users) take their own 
(long) time coming. The SeaMonkey guys can do nothing about that, they 
have enough on their hands keeping SeaMonkey working.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 31/12/10 04:16, NoOp wrote:
[...]

OK, it was marked as RESOLVED as in:
This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 613199 ***
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613199
Status:  RESOLVED FIXED
Product:SeaMonkey

Hence, it was technically marked as FIXED.




At bugzilla.mozilla.org, FIXED means fixed-on-trunk. There are also some 
flags and keywords to indicate that, in addition, a bug has been fixed 
on some other branch.


In your OP you asked, what good is there in staying with SeaMonkey? 
That's for every user to judge for him- or herself. The fact that this 
product is maintained by a small group of unpaid volunteers, as an 
all-in-one Suite uniting a Firefox-like browser, a Thunderbird-like 
mail/news/RSS client, a chat client, and more, all in a single 
executable program and the libraries that go with it, will be seen by 
some as an advantage, by others as a blemish.


Myself, I have in the past felt as "just a number" in the mass of 
not-listened-to users of Firefox, where features on which I depended 
have repeatedly been sacked by the developers, for no good reason or for 
some obviously false reason (like "no one uses it" and "it is not 
discoverable" for something -the throbber link- that I had discovered 
without help, and used). With SeaMonkey, in my experience, the 
developers listen better to what the users have to say — or maybe I'm 
lulling myself with illusions and have just found a group of developers 
with the same values as mine; anyway I feel more at home with SeaMonkey 
than I ever did with Firefox (or, worse, with Konqueror or of course 
with Internet Explorer). But the SeaMonkey developers are fewer than 
Firefox's, none of them is paid by Mozilla (unlike Firefox's), and they 
don't have as many machines at their disposal as are used to maintain 
three or four parallel branches of the Firefox code: with SeaMonkey, it 
seems that two's the limit: one trunk undergoing active development, and 
in a kind of "state of flux", continually changing especially when 
labeled "alpha" or even "beta", and one "stable" branch whose behaviour 
will not fundamentally change between one day and the next or even one 
month and the next: this gives extension developers some confidence that 
it is worth their while to develop extensions for it, but it also means 
no new features. Bugs, however, especially important bugs, still get 
fixed, even on the "stable" branch, if a fix can be found for them. Of 
course, it can happen that, for some bug, no fix is found (yet): then of 
course that bug doesn't (yet) get fixed.


So, make your own choice: it may be other than mine (I've been using 
SeaMonkey trunk nightlies for some time even if, unlike WLS, I have 
problems getting Lightning to work with them) because you are not me; 
that's why it's important to *have* a choice, one thing to which the 
not-for-profit Mozilla Foundation is dedicated.



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Re: [OT] Happy New Year

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 01/01/11 06:52, Ed Mullen wrote:

NoOp wrote:

To all SeaMonkey devs, contributors, users, complainers, curmudgeons,
testers& even Thunderbird& Firefox folks, et al: Happy New Year& Best
Wishes for 2011. May the red haired Mozilla stepchild live a long&
eventual prosperous life :-)

Special thanks to 'stressed out Kairo', Neil, Jens, Phillip, Rich,
Manuel, Chris& other devs/contributors that I've failed to mention&
have somehow managed to keep SeaMonkey together. Your efforts are indeed
appreciated.


Indeed. A Happy New Year to all.


and a happy year 2011 to all the people mentioned above, including the 
ones who were forgotten.




2011? Cripes. I remember when 1990 seemed like a big deal.




1990? A few months before I first laid hands on a computer (a big and 
fast mainframe: as big as my whole today's apartment, with 128K of 
memory and a 667 kHz processor), it was Flower Power, Woodstock in the 
USA, Mai 68 in Paris, Make Love Not War, "Il est interdit d'interdire", 
etc. *That* looked like a big deal. Oh well, I must look like a 
doddering grandpa by now — where I live, the neighbours' children call 
me "Papa Noël" (which translates as 'Santa Claus' or 'Father Christmas' 
etc.).


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Re: OT: FF to Offer "Do Not Track" in browser...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 24/12/10 20:34, David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/24/10 11:06 AM, Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 22/12/10 23:04, David E. Ross wrote:
[...]

By the way, because my cable modem is always on, it has the effect of
giving me a static IP address.  Every so often, I force a new IP address.



Hm. My ISP (Belgacom Skynet of Belgium; what is yours if you don't mind
sharing the info?) disconnects me forcibly whenever my modem has been
connected continuously for 36 hours (± 1 second). At other times (in
practice rarely) I may of course get a new IP address by turning the DSL
interface off then on from a root console prompt.


Best regards,
Tony.


My cable modem is connected to Road Runner, a unit of Time Warner Cable.
  It has no on/off switch.  Even when my PC is powered off, the modem is
still connected to the Internet.  To disconnect it, I have to pull the
plug on the power cord or physically disconnect the cable.

Road Runner said I should get a new IP address if I disconnect for at
least 15 minutes.  Alternatively, they suggested the use of ipconfig,
for which I created the following DOS script:

chdir C:\WINDOWS\system32
ipconfig.exe /all
Pause "Old IP"
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew
ipconfig.exe /all
Pause "New IP"

However, to run this script, I have to connect my PC directly to the
modem instead of connecting through my router.  The router creates a LAN
for my PC and my wife's PC.  I tested this, and the script was not
effective while my PC was connected through the router to the modem.

Doing anything with the router or modem is a bother.  They are in an
attic storage area that I can reach only if I move my printer stand.



Aha. My modem has no on/off switch either but it is at one end of an 
Ethernet cable (one meter long maybe) whose other end plugs into my 
"floortop" PC. No router (and no wife — for better or worse, I'm 
celibate). So (under Linux and in a root console)


ifdown dsl0
ifup dsl0

and optionally (before and/or after)

ifconfig

is enough for me to get a new IP address. Quite similar to what your 
script does, after one allows for differences between Windows and 
Unix/Linux. And I don't have any attic — each apartment here (or should 
I say each flat?) is one not very big floor, the attic is used by a 
cellphone relay station (which radiates mostly in a horizontal plane, 
I've had the radiation measured in my apart to make sure it doesn't leak).


Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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Re: [OT] Bye Bye UUCP!

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 21/12/10 13:55, Philip Chee wrote:

[cross posted to various places because I don't blog]

phi...@aleytys.pc.my was the first email address I ever had. For the
last fifteen years aleytys was a uucp node and I got my email and usenet
via uucp. Today my ISP closed down UUCP and switched me to some unholy
combination of cpanel/horde/IMAP. This marks a bitter sweet end to an
era. This Christmas I shall offer a small libation to this period of
time and probably wax maudlin into my beer.

Once upon a time we heard of this strange wondrous thing called the
Internet from far off America. A group of visionaries decided that it
was good and that we too should have it. A bunch of loud arrogant
American consultants came by and laughed at us saying that a third world
country like ours didn't have the smarts to build an internet. It became
a point of honour, of pride and so we set forth on a shoe string budget
with freeBSD, with Morningstar, NSCS Telnet, SLIPdial, UUCP, with blood,
sweat and tears. It wasn't easy, connections were frequently dodgy and
our usenet feed was a mag tape flow out of Berkeley once a week. The
return trip carried our messages for the previous week and the earliest
you could get an answer to your question was a fortnight. But built it
we did, node by node, cable by cable. And we proved those arsehole
Americans wrong.


A fortnight to get an answer by Usenet! Well, once upon a time 
Californians and New Englanders exchanged mail by way of threemasters 
sailing over Cape Horn… And nowadays we talk of "snail mail" when it 
takes only a couple of days and a trip to the mailbox at the front gate…




I was the 39th individual to sign up for an account when they became
available. As early adopters every thing was new and there were no
precedents. We helped each other and we helped less technically astute
users get on the internet in our self help forums and newgroups. We were
the new Prometheans bringing the Internet to the masses, we were the
Lokapalas. Those were heady days and we the first users jokingly called
ourselves "The Jaring Cabal" after our ISP (Jaring Internet). We were
the leaders, the defenders and the supporters of the local Internet. I
ran several successful RFCs for local usenet usegroups. Others
contributed in their own ways. To all the other uucp nodes that were
there, thank you all for the camaraderie. We had a real blast then
didn't we back when the world was all new and bright and shiny.

Back then we even had our own tongue-in-cheek slogan so one more time I
shall raise my fist in the air and cry "There is no Cabal! Long live the
Jaring Cabal"!

phi...@aleytys.pc.my



Ah, the time when "open relay" was not a dirty word! And no, I'm not a 
UUCP old-timer but I boned up on Net history before replying.


Have a merry Christmas, Philip, and a happy New Year :-) ! Midnight (my 
time) is in three and a quarter hours (about), yours in several more if 
you are back home and not visiting family in Britain — I shall have a 
thought for you and all the nice SeaMonkey guys tomorrow when we cut the 
cake at my nephew's. (Why so few girls BTW? Is monkeying around with a 
Suite so unladylike?)


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Re: OT: FF to Offer "Do Not Track" in browser...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 22/12/10 23:04, David E. Ross wrote:
[...]

By the way, because my cable modem is always on, it has the effect of
giving me a static IP address.  Every so often, I force a new IP address.



Hm. My ISP (Belgacom Skynet of Belgium; what is yours if you don't mind 
sharing the info?) disconnects me forcibly whenever my modem has been 
connected continuously for 36 hours (± 1 second). At other times (in 
practice rarely) I may of course get a new IP address by turning the DSL 
interface off then on from a root console prompt.



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1. You actually wore a blue ribbon to protest the Communications Decency 
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Re: SM 2.1b1 Extensions

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 19/11/10 10:44, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,

Ed Mullen a tapoté, le 18/11/2010 21:13:

Anyone have success installing extensions in SM 2.1b1?




No go with:

Web Developer
User Agent Switcher


It works for me, see my user agent!



LiveHTTPeaders


Don't work with Seamonkey 2.1b1

British English Dictionary 1.19 is also don't work for me!




With the ones that don't install I've tried bumping up the maxVersion
number to no avail.


You can use Nightly Tester Tools.


I'm using this extensions :
Signal Spam 0.5.2
Nostalgy 0.2.25.2
Adblock Plus 1.3.1
ChatZilla 0.9.86
AutoPager 0.6.1.16
Nightly Tester Tools 2.5.1
Forecastfox Weather 2.0.2.0.2
Dictionnaire français «Classique» 3.9.2
United States English Spellchecker 5.0.1
User Agent Switcher 0.7.2.2




There have been quite severe changes in the extensions subsystem for 
Gecko 2 (Firefox 4 - SeaMonkey 2.1 - etc.), so it's understandable that 
many extensions haven't yet followed suit.


In general, if an extension supports Firefox and SeaMonkey, and if it 
supports Firefox 4.0b8pre or higher, it will "probably" run correctly in 
the latest SeaMonkey trunk nightlies, though if it doesn't boast support 
for Sm 2.1b2pre you may have to either bump the maxVersion or set 
extensions.checkCompatibility.2.1b to true in about:config (this 
preference doesn't exist by default). Beware that if you set this pref 
it is *your* responsibility to disable misbehaving extensions: SeaMonkey 
will still check the version compatibility and mention any mismatches in 
the addons manager, but it won't anymore auto-disable extensions which 
say they are incompatible. Alternatively, you could install the "Add-on 
Compatibility Reporter" extension, which allows you to report which 
extensions worked in spite of a compatibility mismatch, and which ones 
didn't in spite of a match.


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Re: What File Contains URL Browsing History List SM 2.10?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 14/11/10 17:22, J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

places.sqlite. Starting with SM 2.1 (there is no 2.10, you currently run
2.0.10), that file will also contain your bookmarks.


Is the "bookmarks.html" file being eliminated? -JW


It is not read anymore, except the first time. It can still be used as a 
medium to export your bookmarks, by toggling a pref in about:config


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Re: Image pasted into a mail

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/11/10 16:32, jim wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:48:22 +0100, Tony Mechelynck
  in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:


On 07/11/10 09:36, Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:55 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

David E. Ross wrote:


The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses
the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when
you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application
displays the message does the image file get combined with the
message. Thus, you need an image file when composing the message.


But 1. There is no file ...
2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail
there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click
on attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with
the mail(and not embedded in the mail text).
3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the
mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with
the message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png
... all those parts are composing the full message.


So just try this and observe there's no difference:

1. While you're composing (in HTML I guess), select Insert ->  Image...
and then Choose File... from the file system (rather than pasting an
image from the clipboard);
2. Do you see any difference?


Yes, this is working ... we can insert a jpg file...
but the aim is to "paste" not to insert a file... and this paste insert
a pseudo png file. That's the problem ..Lotus Notes cannot render a png
picture type if the version is before 8.5 and my recipeint cannot upgrade.
Howevedr as i said before ... i think that i found the solution ... just
...we have to wait until Wednesday evening.


If you don't have an image-processing program that can convert PNG to
something else, then, if you can display the full PNG image onscreen (if
it isn't too big, that is), try hitting PrtScr then to get a screenshot
of it, probably in JPEG or maybe BMP format. (You may have to "Paste as
New Image" in some image-manipulation software, but at least it ought to
be in some format it understands). Then maybe you can edit that to
remove unneeded stuff around the image, and insert _that_ (and not the
clipboard) as an image file.

Best regards,
Tony.


Tony, as a small piece of now useless knowledge to 99% of the public with
multi-megabit broadband, an MS prtscrn is a BMP image -- meaning it is
ponderously huge, especially when taken from a large display monitor.
(I did a full screen PRTSCRN, which was 1.1meg and converted it to a jpg
which was116kb.)


Apparently I was (for more reasons than I knew) wise to switch to Linux, 
where a Print-Sceen screenshot is immediately saved to disk as a… let me 
check… a PNG image.




Also, and off this topic, I was wondering if the JPG is an offshoot of or
utilizes the old RLE internal tech?  Your thought on that?

jim


My thought of that is, "I don't know".

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Re: Image pasted into a mail

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/11/10 09:36, Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:55 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

David E. Ross wrote:


The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses
the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when
you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application
displays the message does the image file get combined with the
message. Thus, you need an image file when composing the message.


But 1. There is no file ...
2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail
there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click
on attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with
the mail(and not embedded in the mail text).
3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the
mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with
the message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png
... all those parts are composing the full message.


So just try this and observe there's no difference:

1. While you're composing (in HTML I guess), select Insert -> Image...
and then Choose File... from the file system (rather than pasting an
image from the clipboard);
2. Do you see any difference?


Yes, this is working ... we can insert a jpg file...
but the aim is to "paste" not to insert a file... and this paste insert
a pseudo png file. That's the problem ..Lotus Notes cannot render a png
picture type if the version is before 8.5 and my recipeint cannot upgrade.
Howevedr as i said before ... i think that i found the solution ... just
...we have to wait until Wednesday evening.


If you don't have an image-processing program that can convert PNG to 
something else, then, if you can display the full PNG image onscreen (if 
it isn't too big, that is), try hitting PrtScr then to get a screenshot 
of it, probably in JPEG or maybe BMP format. (You may have to "Paste as 
New Image" in some image-manipulation software, but at least it ought to 
be in some format it understands). Then maybe you can edit that to 
remove unneeded stuff around the image, and insert _that_ (and not the 
clipboard) as an image file.


Best regards,
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Re: Mail column layout: how to vary it per folder?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/11/10 09:24, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:45 +0100, /Tony Mechelynck/:


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101106
Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre - Build ID: 20101106020228

When I customize the columns of the mailnews Threads Pane (by means of
the drop-down widget at the far right end of the titlebar, and/or by
drag-dropping column titles about), I see my new set of columns in
every folder. I'd like to be able to customize each folder's columns
separately. Is that possible? And if yes, how?


I don't know if Mnenhy works with latest nightlies but this is one of
its features I like very much:

http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/folderstore.html



well, if I don't try I won't know, right? I guess maybe now's the time 
to test that extension about which I've heard so much good...


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Re: Image pasted into a mail

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/11/10 08:44, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/6/10 1:54 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:37:04 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:


How can i change the format .png when doing "paste" into a mail ?


You can't. You have to convert the file first, then paste the new
file. If you need a converter program try:

http://irfanview.com/

It's free and very good.


This is *not* a file  it's just a copy/paste of an image, per
example, you press the "PrintScrn" button when what you want to
transfer is on screen.


You could probably first paste in IrfanView and then save in whatever
format you need. You could also paste in Paint and save in one of the
formats it supports.


I understand, but i did not want to put a file in attachement ... i
prefer just a copy/paste ... but as i have said soemwhere else:
I think that i have found the solurion ... i have to wait some days now,
because the recipient will be at work only at wednesday. I will tell you
the result.


The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses
the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when
you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application
displays the message does the image file get combined with the message.
Thus, you need an image file when composing the message.


But 1. There is no file ...
2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail
there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click on
attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with the
mail(and not embedded in the mail text).
3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the
mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with the
message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png
... all those parts are composing the full message.


Well, in a plaintext mail there's no way you can have an image appear in 
the middle. You may see it at the end, just like you may see a text 
attachment at the end.


In an HTML email, you may see an image in the middle of the text if 
there is an  tag in your HTML source. The src= attribute in that 
tag may be a "relative URL" to an attachment, or the URL of a remote 
image. In the latter case the image is not sent with the email, but 
SeaMonkey will refuse to display it, unless *either* the mail is from 
someone already klnown in your address book, and with "Allow remote 
content" checked, *or* you click "Display remote content" after opening 
the mail. This click only applies for one email, but there is a link to 
create the address book entry if you want to always display remote 
content from this sender.


In every case, the MIME type of the image (as set in the attachment 
header fopr an image sent together with the mail, or as served by the 
remote server for a remote image) must agree with the actual format of 
the image. Renaming "foobar.png" to "foobar" without actually 
translating the image binary content is liable to get the sending mailer 
(for an attachment) or the remote HTTP server (for a remote image) 
mistake it for something other than image/png, with the result that the 
recipient's mailer probably won't be able to display it.



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Mail column layout: how to vary it per folder?

[Tony Mechelynck]

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101106 
Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre - Build ID: 20101106020228


When I customize the columns of the mailnews Threads Pane (by means of 
the drop-down widget at the far right end of the titlebar, and/or by 
drag-dropping column titles about), I see my new set of columns in every 
folder. I'd like to be able to customize each folder's columns 
separately. Is that possible? And if yes, how?


Best regards,
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All my browser chrome went away, how can I get it back?

[Tony Mechelynck]

It happened a few hours ago, and scared the shit outta me. I was using 
the same build as to post this message: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; 
en-US; rv:1.9.1.5pre) Gecko/20091030 SeaMonkey/2.0.1pre - Build ID: 
20091030003835


Suddenly (I must have done something but I have no idea what; it could 
have been Ctrl+W in the Print Preview except that AFAIK that should just 
close the PP and have no effect on the rest of the browser) all my 
browser chrome went away: menubar, toolbars, tabbar, statusbar, 
everything. Only the window title and the content were left.

- Mailer windows were unaffected, this was only the Browser.
- This was not the same as fullscreen mode (repeatedy hitting F11 made 
the KDE taskbar disappear and reappear, but my browser chrome remained 
hidden).
- Hitting Ctrl+L brought up a popup dialog asking me a URL; by typing 
about:config there and setting the rolldown widget in the same popup to 
"In a new tab" the tabbar came back but not the rest of the chrome.
- Most of the menus I couldn't access anymore (Alt+F, Alt+E, Alt+V etc. 
produced no action in he Browser anymore). Alt+O still brought up the 
Preferences dialog (opened at the "Appearance" page) but I couldn't find 
anything useful there.
- After the tabbar had come back, its "New tab" button did nothing. (Not 
sure if that button belongs to plain-vanilla-Sm or to some extension.) 
Nor did Ctrl+T in the Browser AFAICT. Clicking a tab had the usual 
effect of making that tab current.
- I'm on KDE; many keychords (including, but not limited to, all Ctrl+Fn 
and Alt+Fn) never reach any application (the display manager intercepts 
them).


Finally I fixed it by closing and reopening the whole Browser (but not 
the Mailer). However I'd like to know some less drastic solution if ever 
it happens again.



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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 08/02/09 09:46, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

On 05/02/09 00:22, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

The only thing which is boring is the Ctrl Maj T doesn't work.


If you mean Ctrl+Shift+T (Undo Close Tab), that should work. At least it
does here, but I have to admit that I'm using a current nightly build
rather than an Alpha. Alpha 3 is expected in a few weeks, though. Stay
tuned. :-)


Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively
(from verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my
installed extensions).


I also have Duplicate Tab installed, though only in SM 1.1.x. I used
KeyConfig to reclaim Ctrl+Shift+T for Undo Close Tab (the extension) and
set Duplicate Tab to Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Tab (admitted, I use it much less
than Undo Close Tab). KeyConfig also works with SM2 nightlies (I have
compatibility checking off, don't know if that's needed for this
extension) so the same should be possible there. I just used it to
unbind Ctrl+M from Stylish (since the general request [1] shows no
progress).


I have keyconfig; it claims support of Toolkit 1.9a8 to 1.9.0.3, which 
means a compatibility override is needed in current nightlies (built 
upon Gecko 1.9.1b3pre). But it works, I have used it for other 
keystrokes, e.g. programming "GoToInbox" and "GoToJunk" functions in the 
mailer (it's of course trickier when the function doesn't preexist).




[1] <http://forum.userstyles.org/comments.php?DiscussionID=2180>

HTH

Jens



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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/02/09 16:05, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:

Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively (from
verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my
installed extensions).


Sounds like the extension is bad by overriding the SeaMonkey setting for
this key combination.

Robert Kaiser


I guess I could change this (if it annoyed me badly enough) by means of 
the keyconfig extension (which is also installed here); but in practice 
I don't need these keyboard shortcuts. Stéphane might want to do it, though.


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Re: When will SM2 come out?

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 05/02/09 00:22, Jens Hatlak wrote:

Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

The only thing which is boring is the Ctrl Maj T doesn't work.


If you mean Ctrl+Shift+T (Undo Close Tab), that should work. At least it
does here, but I have to admit that I'm using a current nightly build
rather than an Alpha. Alpha 3 is expected in a few weeks, though. Stay
tuned. :-)

Greetings,

Jens



Yeah, Maj[uscule] (meaning upper-case) is the French name of the Shift 
key. And VerrMaj and VerrNum are CapsLock and NumLock respectively (from 
verr[ouillage] = locking). On my copy of SeaMonkey, Ctrl+Shift+T 
triggers a Duplicate Tab operation (Note: Duplicate Tab is one of my 
installed extensions).


When I want to undo the last tab close, I click right on any tab on the 
tab bar; to unclose an earlier tab, I use File => Recently Closed Tabs 
=> ...


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090206 
SeaMonkey/2.0a3pre - Build ID: 20090206000517



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Re: No 2nd machine Users for SM? Mac

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 07/02/09 06:23, Geoff Welsh wrote:

on both my Macs (G4, and G5 PPC OSX 10.4)...

When you create a second (machine) User account, the new user can launch
any App loaded on the machine and it starts up in a virgin state, and
they can customize it as they please. This works for FF, Camino, iTunes,
Safari...

But SM doesn't work!
It brings up a funny old style looking window with a bottom pane saying
"parsing error" and there are no functions across the menu bar. It's
totally blank.

Anyone know why this is?

GW


- Which version are you using?

- You might be interested in the knowledge base article 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Gray_bar_below_status_bar



HTH,
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Re: Since there will be no more updates for Firefox v2...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 31/12/08 00:33, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Tony Mechelynck wrote:


Of course, it's still an alpha build, so every user uses it at his own
risk, the usual disclaimer is in order: it may crash your hard drive,
beat your dog to death, put your house on fire and elope with your
spouse. No complaints accepted, no reimbursements given out.


So with a program like SeaMonkey how is this treatment of 'alpha build'
any different from the treatment of a general/'official'
release to the public? 8:-)
Only difference that I know of is that there's a longer interval
between things with a general release label, and the code bundle
available for download is frozen more solidly.
Warranty? :-) , Actionable Assurances? :-) , reimbursements :-) :-) ?
In either case the developers want error-reports/feedback! Is that
what you call complaints?


No, it was an attempt at humor (as with the dog-house-spouse business). 
Of course serious bug reports are welcomed, they're part of the process 
of making the product better. Actually, even if you come to this NG to 
create a new thread titled "This stuff is crap, I'm going back to IE" I 
don't think you'll be flamed much (though I wouldn't really know, it's 
the kind of thread I "mark thread as read" without opening them), though 
you might get polite remarks about using polite language and explaining 
what you think is bad so that it could be fixed. As for reimbursements, 
of course, how much did you disburse to obtain SeaMonkey in the first place?


About how fast things move, actually SeaMonkey might be thought of 
moving much more slowly than Firefox, but considering how undermanned 
its developing team is, and the fact that it's 100% volunteer work, I 
think they're still doing quite a lot while upholding the "traditional" 
Suite concept and its look&feel: when I see all the novelties the 
Firefox team has recently come up with, I don't think I approve them 
all; it's even gone to the point where I wonder how long I'll still keep 
a Firefox version running in parallel with SeaMonkey 2. Maybe until Fx2 
EOL but everyone's saying that's imminent.




Yes I know even MS or all other for $$$ products state 'as is' and
'not responsible' et.c in their disclaimers and boiler plate EULAs.



Best regards,
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Re: Since there will be no more updates for Firefox v2...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 30/12/08 16:26, dominique wrote:

Ant wrote:

... does that mean SeaMonkey won't be getting any more updates either
and we have to wait for v2.0 final release?

Not sure if Seamonkey 1.1.x will not get any more update, but I've been
using 2.0a3pre nighties for more than 6 months in prod now (both Linux
and WinXP, 6 mails accounts (POP and IMAP), RSS and news
All works fine, apart a pair of regressions bugs, very quickly corrected...
I find the nightly / 2.0alpha a very high quality !
Congratulations to the team !
Bottom line: you can very seriously consider the switch, and an official
2.0a3 is not too far !!!

Dominique (happy Seamonkey user...)


Yeah, me too: I've been "testing" Sm2 (in real-life conditions) ever 
since it was available for Linux, and I've never been tempted to go back 
to Sm1. Of the various improvements, the add-ons manager is the most 
visible one; just for that I would never go back.


Of course, it's still an alpha build, so every user uses it at his own 
risk, the usual disclaimer is in order: it may crash your hard drive, 
beat your dog to death, put your house on fire and elope with your 
spouse. No complaints accepted, no reimbursements given out.



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Re: Since there will be no more updates for Firefox v2...

[Tony Mechelynck]

On 30/12/08 16:14, Ant wrote:

... does that mean SeaMonkey won't be getting any more updates either
and we have to wait for v2.0 final release?


No, see KaiRo's blog of a week ago, 
http://home.kairo.at/blog/2008-12/weekly_status_report_w51_2008 under 
"Releases". Even after Fx2 EOL, there will probably still be some 
Stability and Security upgrades to Sm1 (and possibly Tb2 too).


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