Re: [biofuel] my humble comments...
Is that a hint to update the progress? Give me time Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Rabid Earth Worshipper was Re: [biofuel] Glycerine
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't bank on receipts for crude glycerin to make a business plan work. In house refining or conversion maybe. That's what I'm being told, so I'm looking into products FROM glycerine that have a larger market and/or higher market value. Acrolein (which you don't approve of, but which forms the basis of manufacture of all the ubiquitous acrylic resins) is relatively easily obtained by fermentation. [snip] Marc de Piolenc Marc, Although I do have concern with the predominant attitude that [un]civilization needs a polymer for everything, I don't deny the usefulness of chemistry and chemical engineering. Relative to acrolein, the topics discussed here have revolved largely around somewhat uncontained and uncontrolled combustion or decomposition of glycerin. It is just such an uncontrolled environment, escalated by layman experimentation and residential use that is prone to cause needless human injury and suffering - not that qualified engineers and other professionals cannot achieve the same result, give or take a few Bopahl, Times Beach, Hanford, Sellefield or Rocky Flats events. I know I must sound like a radical, left wing, anti-industrial, eco-terrorist. In truth, I am by and large a mild, bunny lovin', tree huggin, dirt worshipper who prefers his armour to be left to armadillos, not applied to tires and naugahide, where it can run off into our drinking water and evaporate into our breathing space. I only turn rabid when faced with foolishness, or the third full moon of any month, whichever comes first. So for the moment you can presume that my shots are current. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] please unsubscribe me
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[biofuel] RE:ethanol to crack SVO
Hello, Can you use ethanol, instead of methanal, to crack the oil to make biodiesel? any web link to the process would be helpful too.. thank you in advance. DC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: simple still Web site?
Marc, and anyone else intereted in easy stills, the Stillmaker site is very nice looking, and has some good advice and general info. However, the still has at least one major design flaw. Do NOT put the second cooling line through the bottom of the tower. It's a total waste of time and energy and actually hurts the temperature balance you are trying to set up in your coloumn in the first place. There is some talk that it will help prevent a surge in your column, but if this is happening, you have oversized your heating element (or undersized the rest of your still). If you want, put a second (or third, or better yet a whole inside coil of) cooling lines in your column AT THE TOP. The whole idea of the pass through cooling lines is to make a cold surface that will condense vapor and increase your reflux ratio. This will make your still produce higher proof ethanol. If the line is at the bottom of the column, it doesn't do any good because the vapor it condenses doesn't have the benefit of driping down the whole length of the column (refluxing) which is the whole point. Hope that helps, lots of good advice also available on the distillers group here at yahoo. mostly ethanol for human consumption, not fuel, but lots of knowledge of both. -Andrew --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marc Somebody posted a link not too long ago to a Web site giving, in about 14 pages, a simple scheme for distilling alcohol. I downloaded the pdf version of the document, but the file is corrupt and I need to try again. Do you mean the StillMaker? It's here: http://stillmaker.dreamhost.com/ This was not a site reachable from the Biofuels page. Which Biofuels page? It's on our Ethanol page, and Steve's ethanol page at Webconx. http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html Ethanol resources on the Web Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Help! Marc de Piolenc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
Grendel writes: You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? Higher compression gives you a greater expansion ratio which leads to greater efficiency of the combustion process. That was the purpose of lead in fuels was to allow greater compression which gave more performance for a given weight of engine and volume of fuel. This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Any IC engine. The heat problems related to earlier are because of increased combustion chamber pressures and the greater power out. Aluminum heads help by conducting excess heat. Any IC engine. The heat problems related to earlier are because of increased combustion chamber pressures and the greater power out. Aluminum heads help by conducting excess heat. Alcohol has a higher knock resistance which allows greater compression ratios. If I remember correctly, it can take up to 14:1 before heating of the compressed FA mixture starts pre igniting. The greater fuel flow requirements of alcohol are because of its much lower Stoichimetric ratios. Pump gas is around 14.1:1 and alcohol is as low as 8.2:1. Again, I do not have my reference material here so the figures may be slightly off. This very low sotic ratio is one of the reasons alcohol is used in racing applications. The large flow of fuel helps cool things. Alcohol also expands quickly which in turn slightly cools the incoming FA mixture allowing a slightly heavier charge. The low stoic is the reason of the greater fuel consumption of alcohol over pump gas. The amount of energy power charge is the same but it takes significantly more volume of alcohol than gasoline. Some of that may be gained back by increased compression ratios. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Canola
Thought you might find this interesting Kirk Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human Consumption. S U M M A R Y Here is a summary of a few facts regarding Canola Oil: It is genetically engineered rapeseed. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape registered and recognized as safe. (Source: Young Again and others) Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been meant for human consumption. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95) It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won`t eat it. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision, disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia, constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth weights in infants and irritability. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. Avoid all of them! According to John Thomas` book, Young Again, 12 years ago in England and Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who later went blind and began attacking people. There were no further attacks after the rape seed was eliminated from their diet. Source: David Dancu, N.D. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Canola
Um...Canola is not GM, and is not rapeseed, and the effects and profiles are not the same as for rapeseed or as for mustard seed. Take a look at: http://www.canola-council.org/ and read the section on Truth /Myths about Canola Ed B. From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:43:06 -0600 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Canola Thought you might find this interesting Kirk Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human Consumption. S U M M A R Y Here is a summary of a few facts regarding Canola Oil: It is genetically engineered rapeseed. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape registered and recognized as safe. (Source: Young Again and others) Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been meant for human consumption. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95) It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won`t eat it. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision, disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia, constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth weights in infants and irritability. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. Avoid all of them! According to John Thomas` book, Young Again, 12 years ago in England and Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who later went blind and began attacking people. There were no further attacks after the rape seed was eliminated from their diet. Source: David Dancu, N.D. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE:ethanol to crack SVO
Hello, Can you use ethanol, instead of methanal, to crack the oil to make biodiesel? any web link to the process would be helpful too.. thank you in advance. DC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuels Library - Journey to Forever See: Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 459
Im not saying there is hole.. not saying there isnt.. not saying global warming exists..not saying it doesnt. All I know is that in the late 70s.. they were talking about us going into an ice age.. studies and readings said so... because they thought the pollution in the atmosphere was reflecting the suns energy.. So now the bandwagon is that it is warming.. what happened to the evidence of cooling in the 70s? My personal is that the earth heats and cools in cycles.. hotter and cooler.. and each cycle is on a larger cycle.. so it is hard to tell. Dumping a bunch of crap into the Atmosphere cant be good though. as to 1968.. i thought they first discovered the hole in the early 80s ?? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:43:24 -0600 From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union We are told the ozone hole is due to atmospheric chlorine, not energy consumption. Man's contribution to the atmospheric chlorine is 1/2 of 1%. (1/200th) Its like saying a robin flying in front of a tornado is the reason you lost your roof. The largest measured ozone hole was in 1968 which is inconsistent with man made causes. The next biggest hole was after the eruption of Pinatubo. Stratospheric chlorine is enormously affected by volcanic eruption. Man's contribution is miniscule in comparison. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Still plans
Marc, Are you refering to the StillMaker design ? The site for it is http://stillmaker.dreamhost.com I also have a copy of it on my site; http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/still.pdf I also have other plans for stills, both pot and reflux; see http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/designs.htm , and there are many pages of photos (http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/others.htm) from which to draw inspiration and enthusiasm. See http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/ for a full menu of my site. cheers Tony Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? ~~~Both. Joe This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 459
The major source of influence is the output of the sun. Also weather does not constitute climate change. Pollution is not good but it is important to keep a perspective on the situation. If the atmosphere was an Olympic size swimming pool full of vodka the fluorocarbon concentration would be the same as taking an eyedropper and adding a drop of Vermouth. Mighty dry Martini. If you read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx you see elimination of private property as one of the planks. Eco-crises is being promoted as a vehicle to that end. Hysteria is being used as a motivational tool. Kirk -Original Message- From: Crabb, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:35 PM To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 459 Im not saying there is hole.. not saying there isnt.. not saying global warming exists..not saying it doesnt. All I know is that in the late 70s.. they were talking about us going into an ice age.. studies and readings said so... because they thought the pollution in the atmosphere was reflecting the suns energy.. So now the bandwagon is that it is warming.. what happened to the evidence of cooling in the 70s? My personal is that the earth heats and cools in cycles.. hotter and cooler.. and each cycle is on a larger cycle.. so it is hard to tell. Dumping a bunch of crap into the Atmosphere cant be good though. as to 1968.. i thought they first discovered the hole in the early 80s ?? Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:43:24 -0600 From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union We are told the ozone hole is due to atmospheric chlorine, not energy consumption. Man's contribution to the atmospheric chlorine is 1/2 of 1%. (1/200th) Its like saying a robin flying in front of a tornado is the reason you lost your roof. The largest measured ozone hole was in 1968 which is inconsistent with man made causes. The next biggest hole was after the eruption of Pinatubo. Stratospheric chlorine is enormously affected by volcanic eruption. Man's contribution is miniscule in comparison. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
David said: In any case, if the water retains certain magnetism, why it's not possible to be detected with a compass for example? I've read studies regarding the retained memory of water, but don't recall where they were published. Perhaps a web search would turn up references. It seems like at least one study related to homeopathic medicines, per an examination of why they remain effective even after their high degree of dilution. Sensitive meters were being used, so a compass may not be sensitive enough to indicate the effect. Please recall also that whether or not such a memory effect has any actual relationship to magnets on fuel lines is unknown. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biofuel
I am new to the list so please forgive the newbie question. I have been trying to research wether or not I can run straight ethanol in my 99 dodge dakota. Everything I am finding on the Internet regarding ethanol refers to certain cars that have the ability to run gas and E85. I also tried to contact several Dodge dealers to see if they had any info, and no one seemed to know what I was talking about. If any one has experience running ethanol, or a mixture of ethanol/gas, could you p-mail me or just send me a link so I can get started researching this? TIA, Rawls Moore ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages
I agree with you John and your comment on Steve. Doug -Original Message- From: John Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:10 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re unsubscribe messages Steve I have been lurking here four several months, I thought your replies were both helpful and polite. So don't worry about it, the angry people of the world will have to live with their own misery. John Brewer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] biofuel / alcohol conversion
You might want to visit your local race track. The racers often set up thier engines to run on a fuel of primarily alcohol and would not only know if and how it could be done but may have specialty parts sources. Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] screw press ideas/portable oil press
OK folks, I have done a little research on screw presses for oil extraction and a little research like a little knowledge is dangerous...so I would like some feedback. This point I know: That a roller mill is more appropriate for oil extraction than a hammer mill. That an optimum screw press rotational speed is around 50 rpm. That different feedstocks require different size weep slots from which the oil escapes the press. That there are 2 basic types of screw press, one produces pellets the other cakes or flakes. That a certain amount of oil should be left in the byproduct if it is to be used as animal fodder, and therefor complete extraction may not be desirable. That fedstock need only be heated to the liquefaction temp. of the oil to be extracted. That pellets store better than cakes or flakes and are therefor more desirable/valuable. That even automatic presses require at least 1 hour per day shutdown for maintenance. At this point the technology looks fairly simple to fabricate. The necessary materials would be: Heavy wall pipe(various dia) Sheet steel(16-12gauge) Cold rolled steel shaft (appr. 1 1/2 and 3/4 dia) 1/2 steel plate 3/4-1 steel bar sprockets and chain nuts, bolts. pump Light augers or belts(to move feedstock and byproduct) Engine or motor and possibly a few hydraulic components. The tools required would likely be: A mig or gas welder A cutting torch An automatic hacksaw or (preferably)bandsaw. A drill press Files and/or die grinder. misc. small tools What needs to be determined is: What is the optimal size of such a unit? e.g. capacity/hr. What is the feedstock to be? What are the width of weep slots for various feedstocks? I am sure that this information is available on the web...I just don't have time available to find it. So...two heads being better than one and a hundred better than two: Does anyone have this info? Are there things I have missed?(I am sure there are!) Does anyone have any additional thoughts on this project? Also, I think I have a simple press design...how can I describe it? The auger would have short sturdy flighting...like 1x1. As it progressed up the containment tube the space between them would get progressively smaller. This creates the press effect. The tube would have shallow longitudinal grooves inside to prevent the feedstock from merely rotating with the auger. It would also have weep slots the majority of its' length to allow the oil to be expelled as pressure increased on the feedstock. These weep holes could be created by simply sawing slots in the tube say 1/4 of the dia. In reality it would probably be better to have a series of sections which are stacked together with spacers between each section to create the optimum weep slot width for the particular feedstock. The stack would be held together by long bolts in smaller tubes welded to each section and secured at the ends by heavy steel plate. Optionally access to the inside of the tube would be simplified by the longitudinal bisection of the sections so that removal of 3 of the 4 long bolts would allow the remaining bolt to act as a hinge and the sections could be pivoted open.A circular steel plate on the feed end would act as the thrust bearing and a power shaft would protrude from that end as well. The power shaft could be directly connected to the power source(PTO?) and by sprockets and chains to a roller mill directly over the feed opening of the tube. A sloping bottom bin would allow the feedstock to be fed into the roller mill. Optionally a hydraulic motor could be used to allow the rollers to be adjusted independent of the press speed. The heavy steel plate on the other end would have a series of holes through which the spent feedstock would squirt creating pellets. These pellets would be caught on a belt or open auger and transferred to a holding bin. Again a small hydraulic motor would work well here. A trough under the tube would collect the oil and a shield which fit over the tube would capture any squirting oil. This would drain to a pump inlet which would transfer the oil to a holding/settling tank. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Ahhh shoot.. Now I have no heat.. ;-( hehehe sorry had to say it. ;-) Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey it works, Have just fitted magnets to my radiator hoses and just started the car and already it is running cooler. Must be the alignment of the molecules allows the water to run through the engine and radiator faster achieving better cooling. Warren, you did say increased mileage, not increased fuel consumption and more power, didnt you? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mobile BD plant loading/ unloading
Of course it might be simpler to just build earthen ramps or raised docks(sunken ramps?)at each point of use if these are relativly fixed and just winch the unit on and off the truck/trailer. Rollers would help or even lubed cross beams like the Egyptians are rumored to have used to transport large stone blocks. Certainly safer than trying to lift the units off. I have also seen slip axle lowboy trailers which allow a load to be winched on to the trailer bed at a low angle and then the axle subframe is pushed back under the trailer bed by the truck backing up and the two are pinned together for transport. Dana --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc, What David T is saying here makes a lot of sense and is probably the most appropriate to the Phillipines. If you make a couple of H frames complete with outrigger tripod stays, use a couple of connectors to join the 2 H frames together, and a couple of chain blocks, you can drive to where you want the container located, set up your H frames, lift the container about 6, drive the truck out, and lower the container. Uplifting and shifting the container is obviously the reverse. You could make the whole framework of steel which all linked together using lynch pins, which could be stored on top of the container for transport, and quickly erected once on site. With 3 or 4 people you could have it all unloaded in about 1/2 hr. Very easy and very simple. By breaking it down into components you could make it so 2 men could do the whole job by themselves if necessary. Lynch pins would make it very easy. My only advice is to make sure all welding is properly done as you dont want any accidents. Also use welded buttressing (bracing) for added strength and support where required. B.r., David - Original Message - From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Mobile BD plant John Brewer helpfully wrote: Self loading trailers are used extensivly in Australia. The Lifting arms ar on hydrolic rams and can be adjusted to suit 20 40 foot containers, and can postion a 20 footer to correctly position the weight distribution on the trailer When I was working in rural Africa, such luxuries were unheard of, but we managed to unload some fair sized loads with improvised, cheap but effective means. One of the better systems was to erect two guyed goalpost frames from stout wood poles. Chain block hoists were lashed to the middle of each crossbar. The delivery truck would drive under the gantry, the load was raised, and the truck would back out or drive through. The load could then be lowered onto skids on the ground and be winched (Tirfor etc.) to its desired location. Of course, the goalpost gantry has to be proof loaded first with dummy loads like plywood boxes filled with sand (easy to create and dismantle with hand tools only). I reckon this approach is still appropriate to places like Philippines, Marc. David Teal Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 462
The greater fuel flow requirements of alcohol are because of its much lower Stoichimetric ratios. Pump gas is around 14.1:1 and alcohol is as low as 8.2:1. Again, I do not have my reference material here so the figures may be slightly off. This very low sotic ratio is one of the reasons alcohol is used in racing applications. The large flow of fuel helps cool things. Alcohol also expands quickly which in turn slightly cools the incoming FA mixture allowing a slightly heavier charge. The low stoic is the reason of the greater fuel consumption of alcohol over pump gas. The amount of energy power charge is the same but it takes significantly more volume of alcohol than gasoline. Some of that may be gained back by increased compression ratios. Ah! OK. I won' t say that makes sense because that would make you assume that I followed all you were saying. :) But thanks! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mobile BD plant loading/ unloading
I have also seen slip axle lowboy trailers which allow a load to be winched on to the trailer bed at a low angle and then the axle subframe is pushed back under the trailer bed by the truck backing up and the two are pinned together for transport. Most often that is a beaver tail trailer where the back of the trailer is angled downward and the bed is tilted to lower the tail. Sometimes the beaver tail is hydrulic and is moved as necessary. Another version is where the goose neck is detached when the front of the trailer is lowered. This is often used for the heavy haulers. A variation offten used in the oil fields is a flat bed trailer where the nose is allowed to fall to the ground where the load may be driven on. A truck mounted winch can then be used to lift and reconnect the trailer. An advantage of that arrangement is that the truck mounted winch can be used to pull on a dead load. Another poster mentioned a crane. A jack leg (or stiff legged) tripod is a very old device. Three poles are connected at one end in such a way that as they are opened into a tripod, the top tightens. A hoist is attached at the top. When done, fold it up and take it away. Of one leg is securly held to the ground with a deadman, another pole can be added to make it a crane. Midevil construction projects used the jack leg crane. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner
Does anyone have experience using biodiesel in a heating oil burner. I aked this once, and plently of people said yes. However, I do not think they have tried it. I need actual examples with burner type, model, nozzle size, BTU estimate, necesary adjustments. Any problems associated with modern, high efficiency oil burners? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Silica Gel
I hear that silica gel can be used to take the last 5% of the water out of ethanol. Does this help? What are the advantages? How much do you need/use? Any info or informational resources would be appreciated? I have some extra silica gel (10 pounds) if someone needs it or wants to experiment with it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] biodiesel in San Francisco
Anyone happen to hear or see the big to do CNN did on biodiesel on sale at the pump in selected sites in the bay area? Cost was $2.90/gal. thanks gaw Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
Hi folks, Just wondering on this. In gasoline engines increasing compression increases NOx. (nitrogen oxides) What NOx emissions are produced with ETOH? (ethanol) Thanks, Jay in Carson City Grendel wrote: You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Digest Number 459
Good afternoon Kirk, A few commments: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major source of influence is the output of the sun. if you mean that the only source of input energy to the earth is the sun, then yes, I agree. But if you're somehow trying to rule out the constituent makeup of the atmosphere as having much to do with anything I am baffled as to your reasoning. Also weather does not constitute climate change. I'm not sure what you mean by this either. snip If the atmosphere was an Olympic size swimming pool full of vodka the fluorocarbon concentration would be the same as taking an eyedropper and adding a drop of Vermouth. Mighty dry Martini. Ok, first of all, a real martini is made with gin, not vodka. Second, WOAH slow down and be careful about your metaphores. I know you've mostly been making refference to the hole in the Ozone, but I've read other's comments here on the general topic of global climate change and wanted to throw out a few considerations to illustrate that what you are trying to imply is a gross oversimplification. CO2 is one of the most commonly discussed greenhouse gases. It has the capacity to capture and store a large amount of IR radiation and is one of the gasses in our atmosphere which keeps us from freezing to death. Methane, partly because of its greater structural complexity, has something like an order of magnitude or more capacity for storing IR radiation( as in your sheep david really MAY be the problem, but more likely it's all the beef we idiot yanks eat). Hydroflourocarbons have something like two orders of magnitude more capacity. I.E. much smaller quantities have much higher capacity for energy storage. I am not a climate scientist and am not aware of what the other factors are which play a part in our planets equilibrium. I am, however, quite aware that there are many many many factors and that these things are debated hotly. I know for a fact that making oversimplified metaphores never helps, especially when used to attempt to contradict widely held beliefs in the scientific community. If you read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx you see elimination of private property as one of the planks. Eco-crises is being promoted as a vehicle to that end. Hysteria is being used as a motivational tool. Kirk I'm sorry, I missed that. was that hysteria over ecological problems being used to shove communism down our throats, or hysteria over communism being used to justify selfishness and craming of heads in the sand? -andrew Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Silica Gel
My question is, if that 5% water is miscible with ethanol then why remove it. Back in WWII they used water and alcohol in old fighter aircraft. The mix kept the engine cooler (within a normal heat range)thereby creating more power. If a person had a fuel injected automobile wouldn't this have the same effect. Straight alcohol will definitly make an engine run cooler. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Silica Gel I hear that silica gel can be used to take the last 5% of the water out of ethanol. Does this help? What are the advantages? How much do you need/use? Any info or informational resources would be appreciated? I have some extra silica gel (10 pounds) if someone needs it or wants to experiment with it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Back in the original gasoline crunch of the '70's everybody was adding water injectors better camshafts, headers and all sorts of stuff to increase milage. One guy wrote in to a magazine that he had installed all of the devices they had recomended over a years time. He said his milage was so good that every 60 miles he had to stop and remove a gallon. Makes me wonder if the magnets would clear up my sinus'. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Ahhh shoot.. Now I have no heat.. ;-( hehehe sorry had to say it. ;-) Jeremy --- David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey it works, Have just fitted magnets to my radiator hoses and just started the car and already it is running cooler. Must be the alignment of the molecules allows the water to run through the engine and radiator faster achieving better cooling. Warren, you did say increased mileage, not increased fuel consumption and more power, didnt you? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel - Excise??
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: Biodiesel - Excise?? Hello, Biodiesel update, yesterday the 23/5/01 a report by Robert Hill was tabled in the federal senate, the contents of which are concerning. The report is in response to a request by the senate asking the government to assess the 3 points raised by the BAA in its submission to the federal government. Our concern is based on the following paragraph: The inquiry into fuel taxation announced by the Prime Minister on 1 March 2001 is the appropriate vehicle for raising questions about the excise status of biodiesel and support for the industry. The terms of reference for the inquiry will be developed following discussions with interested parties. One term of reference will be that the principle of revenue neutrality be observed. For Senator Hills report and the BAA barrister's analysis of it see the BAA home page. http://biodiesel.vtrekker.com Each is 1 page. If excise is imposed on Biodiesel it doesn't matter if your making it in your backyard or commercial plant, you will have to pay it. NOW is the time to ask the government to commit to keeping excise off Biodiesel so this fuel can be produced in Australia, contact your local member. __ Other news, a stakeholders meeting is to be held on the 7/6/01 at CSIRO in Melbourne, regarding the 'desk top' study led by Tom Beer on the life cycle emissions of fuels. Call Ms Jane Sellinger on 03 9239 4695 to book your place. __ The next BAA members newsletter is due out late next week. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Still plans
Tony Ackland wrote: Are you refering to the StillMaker design ? That's the one! The site for it is http://stillmaker.dreamhost.com I also have a copy of it on my site; http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/still.pdf; Thanks - downloading now. I also have other plans for stills, both pot and reflux; see http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/designs.htm , and there are many pages of photos (http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/others.htm) from which to draw inspiration and enthusiasm. See http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/ for a full menu of my site. Thanks for all the leads. I now have a good basis for comparison with the industrial distillation manuals already in my collection, and those on their way. Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines cheers Tony Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union
Hi David, Good to hear from you. I'm not mad and I will try not to take everything so personal. We do work hard for what we have here and we like to enjoy the fruits of our labor. I can't speak for our politicians but then neither can they. It's very hard to speak from both sides of their mouth. We do seem to wait until there is a crisis before we react(pearl harbor)but we do react. When the crisis comes we will jump into the problem with both feet and try to solve it. Sometimes we fail because we jump to fast. I am not going to wait for our president to make energy policies, I'm going to make my own policy and start making ethanol for home and auto use. My nephew has a race car and we are going to try the juice on it to see what happens. If it works OK on his rade car I'm going to try it on my 17 miles to the gallon guzzling '93 corvette. I will let everyone know how it works. Found a lot of good info on stills today thru journey to forever, thanks to Keith. Everbody on here has something to say. Some good some not so good but as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Don't stop being critical but don't step on us yanks to hard, we're just people looking for a better life like everone else. We ain't perfect but we're trying. Thanks a bunch for your letter Regards, Ron Miller - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union Hi Ron, Yeah I will stop if all you Americans promise to consume not more than the 5% you are entitled to. No seriously Ron I am sorry if you think what I am saying is personal and I am attacking all you Americans. It is not you Americans I am opposed to but your consumption of energy and lack of what seems a coherent policy for the future. At a time when America and the rest of the world is crying out for a leader with vision and solutions to the coming energy crisis if we continue down the same path America seems to have taken a retrograde step with reference to energy. I cant see anything inspiring in the new Energy Policy that has just been released. As I was saying the other day one of the things that existed under the Kennedy era was a certain dynamic approach to solving problems that seems to be missing in the Bush administration and other current crop of world leaders. (And before you accuse me of being a Democrat I am not, nor Republican either). The only thing fundamentally wrong with democracy and politics is politicians. Most of them from my observations tend to be tarred with the same brush). I think part of this came about because America under Kennedy made up its mind right or wrong it was going to the Moon and getting involved in other aspects of the Space Policy and went ahead and did them. As a result it was rather a challenging age. Rather than looking for and pumping more oil which is only going to bring the crisis nearer, and sitting on their hands the time to get up and run with new policies and incentives is right now. In the end there may be no crisis; time has a way of presenting solutions; but sure as the Sun is going to come up tomorrow (unless you live in Antartica at present) if you sit on your hands that crisis is going to arise. In the end I expect a lot of those solutions will come from the States. While I may not like your current energy policies I would be the first to admit that America has invested very heavy in its Universities and it is these that are more likely to provide solutions than anything else. The quickest way to do this is to offer Research Scholarships, something that is done already but something that should be greatly accelerated. You dont win a war by throwing in a few more men at the front but throwing in a large complete battalion quite often makes a difference. By the way I am not anti American and I'm also of Scots descent (one of my great ancestors set up Edinburgh University) so as one sheep shaggers descendent to another dont take me too personally. Its also not the 50 million 4 legged sheep I worry about, but the other 4 million (I share this country with), and the other 6 billion (I share this planet with), two legged sheep. The world seems to be full of sheep and pigs. Why the sheep have to be ruled by the pigs I dont know. Bah, I mean bye. B.r., David - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union Hey, come on now, please stop the American bashing. We are all in this together although I would say we (Americans) should be leading the world in alternate fuel development. It's really hard for us little guys to fight the big oil companies and the government. The govenment did send me an application form for an alternate fuel plant(still)and
[biofuel] Re: [biofuel) less acrolyn in the environment
I tried using the mixture of refined coconut oil (FFA removed) 20 parts to one part kerosene, just like what the Thai teacher did. The result was very impressive: smokeless and almost odorless. The smell is just like heating oil in the pan. There is no drop in the power. Then I referred my testing to the government agency. They told me that this is vey dangerous because it will emit acrolyn, which is a cancerous substance. They said that the correct process should be that the coconut oil undergo transesterification to produce methyl ester, which is safe. Any comments about this? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel - Excise??
Here in the U.S. we can produce 10,000 proof gallons a year for personal use without taxation. Ask your reprsentative to review this U.S. policy and follow suit. How much money do our governments need anyway. Hope you can beat the tax down. Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fw: Biodiesel - Excise?? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: Biodiesel - Excise?? Hello, Biodiesel update, yesterday the 23/5/01 a report by Robert Hill was tabled in the federal senate, the contents of which are concerning. The report is in response to a request by the senate asking the government to assess the 3 points raised by the BAA in its submission to the federal government. Our concern is based on the following paragraph: The inquiry into fuel taxation announced by the Prime Minister on 1 March 2001 is the appropriate vehicle for raising questions about the excise status of biodiesel and support for the industry. The terms of reference for the inquiry will be developed following discussions with interested parties. One term of reference will be that the principle of revenue neutrality be observed. For Senator Hills report and the BAA barrister's analysis of it see the BAA home page. http://biodiesel.vtrekker.com Each is 1 page. If excise is imposed on Biodiesel it doesn't matter if your making it in your backyard or commercial plant, you will have to pay it. NOW is the time to ask the government to commit to keeping excise off Biodiesel so this fuel can be produced in Australia, contact your local member. __ Other news, a stakeholders meeting is to be held on the 7/6/01 at CSIRO in Melbourne, regarding the 'desk top' study led by Tom Beer on the life cycle emissions of fuels. Call Ms Jane Sellinger on 03 9239 4695 to book your place. __ The next BAA members newsletter is due out late next week. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Ur in NJ?? Hmmm I am in PA.. Maybe i can come watch??? or help? lol Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an engine blow is such a fun exposition. I'll take pics for you all :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add one of your filters, Dave. .. Steve, Make sure the oil has at minimum had the lecithin extracted. That will at least double the life of the oil as a lubricant. Bad rings on the pistons will also ensure that the biodiesel enhances the crankcase oil. I'd refrain, but I'm just a mad Irishman on the lunatic fringe. You, on the other hand, might be a bit more touched. (Liberty taken - sorry!) :-) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 459
I am not familiar with hydroflourocarbons (sic) and the only gin I can drink without distress is Bombay. So in my attempt to create an analogy I used a vodka marty. The point is the relative ratio. Lets try again. Various feathers contribute to a raise in ground temperature because they prevent night time radiation. Robins are a major offender due to their abundance (CO2 is robins=CO2 is one of the most commonly discussed greenhouse gases.) The down from a goose is a much worse offender (down is fluorocarbons=Hydroflourocarbons have something like two orders of magnitude more capacity) Even though the down from the goose population amounts to 1 feather per acre we must eradicate geese. If you do the math you will see that 1 feather per acre is a larger coverage of the ground than 1 drop of vermouth (freon) in our Olympic pool sized martini (atmosphere). To believe these concentrations can produce a measurable effect shows a proclivity to believe the fantastic. This is the level of science education in our society. I have caught young men with a bachelors degree, and in engineering no less, who think a kinetic energy foot-pound is an engineering foot-pound (1.356 joules). That is the pathetic level of instruction in Newtonian mechanics by the current institutions of higher education. It is obvious the average grasp of thermo is equally lacking. My gripe is not with your understanding as you are candid enough to express same (I am not a climate scientist and am not aware of what the other factors are which play a part in our planets equilibrium.) My industrial strength b!+ch is with the establishment which promotes such pseudoscience even when they know better.(Yes, many believe this rubbish because they are taught it--but those who could expose it are silent) To promote a lie means you have a motive other than the truth. The motive is social engineering to bring about acceptance of strong central government rather than personal liberty. Believe no one until you review the raw data and do the math. Otherwise you support that which you in truth do not know. Did you know Sagan's nuclear winter model did not include the oceans? 70% of the earth's surface and an enormous thermal source and not in the model. Was he that incompetent? I don't think so. He knew what he was doing. The public didn't. Actually, I am sympathetic to his motive but must we sacrifice truth and honesty on the altar of expedience? Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 459 Good afternoon Kirk, A few commments: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major source of influence is the output of the sun. if you mean that the only source of input energy to the earth is the sun, then yes, I agree. But if you're somehow trying to rule out the constituent makeup of the atmosphere as having much to do with anything I am baffled as to your reasoning. Also weather does not constitute climate change. I'm not sure what you mean by this either. snip If the atmosphere was an Olympic size swimming pool full of vodka the fluorocarbon concentration would be the same as taking an eyedropper and adding a drop of Vermouth. Mighty dry Martini. Ok, first of all, a real martini is made with gin, not vodka. Second, WOAH slow down and be careful about your metaphores. I know you've mostly been making refference to the hole in the Ozone, but I've read other's comments here on the general topic of global climate change and wanted to throw out a few considerations to illustrate that what you are trying to imply is a gross oversimplification. CO2 is one of the most commonly discussed greenhouse gases. It has the capacity to capture and store a large amount of IR radiation and is one of the gasses in our atmosphere which keeps us from freezing to death. Methane, partly because of its greater structural complexity, has something like an order of magnitude or more capacity for storing IR radiation( as in your sheep david really MAY be the problem, but more likely it's all the beef we idiot yanks eat). Hydroflourocarbons have something like two orders of magnitude more capacity. I.E. much smaller quantities have much higher capacity for energy storage. I am not a climate scientist and am not aware of what the other factors are which play a part in our planets equilibrium. I am, however, quite aware that there are many many many factors and that these things are debated hotly. I know for a fact that making oversimplified metaphores never helps, especially when used to attempt to contradict widely held beliefs in the scientific community. If you read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx you see elimination of private property as one of the planks. Eco-crises is being promoted as a vehicle to that end. Hysteria is being used as a motivational tool. Kirk I'm sorry, I missed that. was
[biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
Sorry if this article has already been posted -- I'm on digest and thus I'm always behind. I saw this AP article on the ABCnews web site. It's about the fuel stations in Nevada that began selling biodiesel on 05/22/01. It's entitled French Fry Fuel - Biodiesel Reaches the Masses http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/biodiesel010523.html Ketzel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
Three Times the Price Because biodiesel costs three times as much as regular diesel, adding biodiesel even in small amounts raises the cost of the fuel by several cents per gallon. It was selling in Sparks for $1.62 per gallon. What's the average price of diesel in Nevada at this time...anyone know? 54 cents a gallon? Ed B. - Original Message - From: Ketzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article Sorry if this article has already been posted -- I'm on digest and thus I'm always behind. I saw this AP article on the ABCnews web site. It's about the fuel stations in Nevada that began selling biodiesel on 05/22/01. It's entitled French Fry Fuel - Biodiesel Reaches the Masses http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/biodiesel010523.html Ketzel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: EREN Network News -- 5/23/01
[EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:00:34 -0600 From: Kevin Eber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: National Renewable Energy Laboratory To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EREN Network News -- 5/23/01 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = EREN NETWORK NEWS -- May 23, 2001 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events Southwestern Kansas to Host 110-Megawatt Wind Farm Connecticut College Students Opt for Green Power Washington Energy Bills Encourage Renewables, Conservation New Jersey Launches Efficiency, Renewable Energy Programs FERCO Touts Achievements at Vermont Biomass Gasifier *Site News Global Solar Partners *Energy Facts and Tips A Look at Energy Use in the United States *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Southwestern Kansas to Host 110-Megawatt Wind Farm FPL Energy, LLC announced last week that it will build, own, and operate a 110-megawatt wind farm in Kansas -- the first major wind facility in the state. The company will install 170 wind turbines at a site in Gray County in southwestern Kansas. When completed at the end of this year, the wind farm will produce enough electricity for 33,000 homes in Kansas and Missouri. UtiliCorp United will buy and resell the power from the project. See the FPL Energy press release at: http://www.fplenergy.com/newsreleases/2001/01061.html. Connecticut College Students Opt for Green Power Connecticut College last week announced that it will obtain all of the college's power from renewable energy. The college has joined the Connecticut Energy Cooperative, a non-profit provider of electricity that is entirely generated from renewable energy sources. Students at the college spearheaded the switch to green power, holding bake sales to raise $1,500 to join the cooperative, then conducting a petition drive to support a $25 increase in student fees to fund the power purchase. The college's Board of Trustees unanimously approved the measure on May 5th. The cooperative's power is certified as truly coming from renewable energy by Green-e, a program run by the non-profit Center for Resource Solutions (CRS). See the CRS press release at: http://www.resource-solutions.org/press/conncollege.html. Connecticut College, located in New London, is a private liberal arts college with an enrollment of 1,670 students. See the Connecticut College press release at: http://laurel.conncoll.edu/myconn/index.cfm?fuseaction=publish.news Washington Energy Bills Encourage Renewables, Conservation Washington Governor Gary Locke has signed into law three legislative bills that will support energy conservation and renewable energy in the state. The bills, signed early this month, require new energy audits in all state buildings and direct electric utilities to offer renewable energy options. The bills also extend tax exemptions for small solar, wind, and fuel cell projects and extend for 10 years the laws governing geothermal development in the state. See the governor's press release at: http://www.governor.wa.gov/press/2001/01050801.htm. Washington has also moved to phase out MTBE, a gasoline additive that has been found to contaminate water supplies. MTBE will be phased out in the state by the end of 2003. There are other additives we can use to reduce emissions, such as ethanol made from grain, says Representative John Pennington, who sponsored the bill. See the press release at: http://access.wa.gov/news/article.asp?name=n0105067.htm. A recent report from Climate Solutions, a non-profit group, says that farmers in the Northwest can contribute significantly to ethanol production by harvesting crop stubble that is currently burned off the fields each year. See the press release at: http://climatesolutions.org/press_archive/ethanol_press_release.htm The full 16-page report is available in Adobe PDF format at: http://climatesolutions.org/Harvesting/EthanolReport.pdf. New Jersey Launches Efficiency, Renewable Energy Programs New Jersey environmental officials and representatives of the state's gas and electric utilities announced the start last month of a new series of programs to encourage energy efficiency and renewable energy within the state. Recently, full details about all of these programs were added to the new Clean Energy for New Jersey Web site at: http://www.njcleanenergy.com/. The state's Clean Energy Program provides incentives of up to $5 per watt for the use of fuel cells, solar electric systems, small wind turbines, or sustainable biomass technologies. The residential energy efficiency programs
[biofuel] Global Warming and Biofuels (Was Digest #. . .)
Crabb, David wrote: Im not saying there is hole.. not saying there isnt.. not saying global warming exists..not saying it doesnt. All I know is that in the late 70s.. they were talking about us going into an ice age.. studies and readings said so... because they thought the pollution in the atmosphere was reflecting the suns energy.. So now the bandwagon is that it is warming.. what happened to the evidence of cooling in the 70s? snip First of all, the popular media disseminated one of the possible research conclusions of climate change during the 1970's because their livelihood depends upon selling papers or advertising, and the prospect of an ice age is sensational enough to promote widespread public interest. If you read the actual climate change research done at that time, (those boring, scientific papers with endless footnoting and detailed explanations of modeling methods, materials and assumptions. . .) nothing was presented with the kind of certainty characteristic of the current debate concerning global warming. The evidence supporting global cooling still exists--a lot of historical evidence. The evidence for warming also exists, but whether or not the warming is anthropogenic is still hotly debated in some circles. My personal is that the earth heats and cools in cycles.. hotter and cooler.. and each cycle is on a larger cycle.. so it is hard to tell. That's the essence of the current debate. Your statement below likely expresses the view to which many of us on the biofuels list ascribe: Dumping a bunch of crap into the Atmosphere cant be good though. Although this seems obvious, we only have ONE atmosphere. We are behaving, however, as if our actions have no impact on our health or survivability. This fossil fuel experiment humanity has been engaging in may have unforeseen consequences, and these are likely to be quite serious. I am personally more concerned about air quality than global warming, but that likely has more to do with the fact that I live well above sea level in a prosperous, North American country. If global warming turns out to be as serious as many fear, the impoverished people in Bangladesh, islanders and other coastal dwellers may suffer the same fate as the bleached coral reefs and endangered polar bears. One of the benefits of using home made biofuels, whether it's cordwood, ethanol, biodiesel, biogas or H2 derived from biomass, is that we become more aware of how much energy we actually use, and it drives us toward efficiency. Those who have used biofuels for years will eventually make a concerted effort to use less, simply because of all the work involved. I'm learning to look with less envy upon the big, beautiful V-8 powered machines that captivated my interest twenty years ago. And at .82 per liter, the price of gasoline in my area this morning, my four cylinder truck looks like a pretty wise investment! Now, if only I could figure out how to make my own fuel for the thing. . . robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
alcohol consumption - was Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 462
Grendel wrote: The greater fuel flow requirements of alcohol are because of its much lower Stoichimetric ratios. Pump gas is around 14.1:1 and alcohol is as low as 8.2:1. Again, I do not have my reference material here so the figures may be slightly off. This very low sotic ratio is one of the reasons alcohol is used in racing applications. The large flow of fuel helps cool things. Alcohol also expands quickly which in turn slightly cools the incoming FA mixture allowing a slightly heavier charge. The low stoic is the reason of the greater fuel consumption of alcohol over pump gas. The amount of energy power charge is the same but it takes significantly more volume of alcohol than gasoline. Some of that may be gained back by increased compression ratios. Ah! OK. I won' t say that makes sense because that would make you assume that I followed all you were saying. :) But thanks! Re fuel consumption, you can use as low as 160-proof, 180-proof is said to be a better fuel anyway, and if you use an injection system it can burn up to 50% water, with other benefits too - for instance, that engines with an injection system still retain complete dual fuel capability, and alcohol injection can be used with fuel-injected, turbocharged, and even diesel engines. See Alcohol Fuel Manual, Chapter 2, Basic Fuel Theory - Water injerction, and Chapter 3, Utilization of Alcohol Fuels - Alcohol injection http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol compression/mileage
Hi folks, Just wondering on this. In gasoline engines increasing compression increases NOx. (nitrogen oxides) What NOx emissions are produced with ETOH? (ethanol) Thanks, Jay in Carson City Well, you're starting off with less. * High-level ethanol blends reduce nitrogen oxide emissions by up to 20% * Ethanol's high oxygen content reduces carbon monoxide levels more than any other oxygenate: by 25-30%, according to the US EPA * Ethanol blends dramatically reduce emissions of hydrocarbons, a major contributor to the depletion of the ozone layer * Ethanol can reduce net carbon dioxide emissions by up to 100% on a full life-cycle basis * High-level ethanol blends can reduce emissions of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) by 30% or more (VOCs are major sources of ground-level ozone formation) * As an octane enhancer, ethanol can cut emissions of cancer-causing benzene and butadiene by more than 50% * Sulphur dioxide and Particulate Matter (PM) emissions are significantly decreased with ethanol. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Grendel wrote: You don't have to raise the compression to run ethanol but you can if you want to. You can run a higher compression ratio using ethanol especially if your engine has an aluminum head. What are the advantages for higher compression? simply more power or, as someone stated, better mileage? This is for a motorcycle, BTW. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 459
I have a couple of cents to add to this: As I understand some of it, one of the big problems with global warming is the increase in fresh water into the oceans from increased rainfall and the melting of the polar ice caps. The network of currents in the oceans have a great effect on climate. These currents are primarily driven by an oceanic pump created from the sinking of the salt water into the depths of the ocean. This continuous cycle not only acts as a heat exchange mechanism by bringing cold water to warm but also brings up the nutrient rich material found mostly in the deep. As any fisherman knows, that's where you catch the tuna. Fresh water stops this pump simply by diluting the salt water!!! Yes, it is all theory but whether or not something's going to happen is not the point. We can only try to predict the possibilities. I don't think anyone would deny that we, as a race, are and have changed the world irreparably for good or for bad. There is evidence that there is a problem and I, for one, can't take the chance that I might hand over this world in worse shape than I got it. I might have little effect, but I CAN get active. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Digest Number 459 Good afternoon Kirk, A few commments: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major source of influence is the output of the sun. if you mean that the only source of input energy to the earth is the sun, then yes, I agree. But if you're somehow trying to rule out the constituent makeup of the atmosphere as having much to do with anything I am baffled as to your reasoning. Also weather does not constitute climate change. I'm not sure what you mean by this either. snip If the atmosphere was an Olympic size swimming pool full of vodka the fluorocarbon concentration would be the same as taking an eyedropper and adding a drop of Vermouth. Mighty dry Martini. Ok, first of all, a real martini is made with gin, not vodka. Second, WOAH slow down and be careful about your metaphores. I know you've mostly been making refference to the hole in the Ozone, but I've read other's comments here on the general topic of global climate change and wanted to throw out a few considerations to illustrate that what you are trying to imply is a gross oversimplification. CO2 is one of the most commonly discussed greenhouse gases. It has the capacity to capture and store a large amount of IR radiation and is one of the gasses in our atmosphere which keeps us from freezing to death. Methane, partly because of its greater structural complexity, has something like an order of magnitude or more capacity for storing IR radiation( as in your sheep david really MAY be the problem, but more likely it's all the beef we idiot yanks eat). Hydroflourocarbons have something like two orders of magnitude more capacity. I.E. much smaller quantities have much higher capacity for energy storage. I am not a climate scientist and am not aware of what the other factors are which play a part in our planets equilibrium. I am, however, quite aware that there are many many many factors and that these things are debated hotly. I know for a fact that making oversimplified metaphores never helps, especially when used to attempt to contradict widely held beliefs in the scientific community. If you read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx you see elimination of private property as one of the planks. Eco-crises is being promoted as a vehicle to that end. Hysteria is being used as a motivational tool. Kirk I'm sorry, I missed that. was that hysteria over ecological problems being used to shove communism down our throats, or hysteria over communism being used to justify selfishness and craming of heads in the sand? -andrew Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Silica Gel
ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is, if that 5% water is miscible with ethanol then why remove it. Back in WWII they used water and alcohol in old fighter aircraft. The mix kept the engine cooler (within a normal heat range)thereby creating more power. If a person had a fuel injected automobile wouldn't this have the same effect. Straight alcohol will definitly make an engine run cooler. Hi Ron Right - please see my message today alcohol consumption - was Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 4. Two reasons for drying the alcohol: one, to make ethyl esters biodiesel, which needs anhydrous ethanol, two, to mix it with gaoline if your motor will only do E85. I'd like to know if silica gel is effective. Quicklime works, we know, but you need lots and it's hard to get. Any anhydrous salts should work, though you'll lose some ethanol that clings to the crystals. Then there's 3A zeolites, glycerine, corn grits. The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson, Chapter 12, Drying the alcohol. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Cornmeal Adsorber for Dehydrating Ethanol Vapors. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_grits.html Anhydrous Ethanol -- Separating Ethanol From Water Via Differential Solubility or Miscibility http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/anhydrous.htm Mariller method of dehydrating alcohol using glycerin http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/Dist_Eng.pdf Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Silica Gel I hear that silica gel can be used to take the last 5% of the water out of ethanol. Does this help? What are the advantages? How much do you need/use? Any info or informational resources would be appreciated? I have some extra silica gel (10 pounds) if someone needs it or wants to experiment with it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner
Dear Plato (at least I think from your e-mail address), I would also like to hear the answer to your question. That is very interesting idea, especially that governments are looking for quick money and burdening fuel oil with huge excise tax (which was until recently 50% in Poland). In this situation any alternative biofuel would be great advantage. I support as simple solutions as they can be and I know that the rapeseed oil (which is abundant in our country) could be an excellent fuel - so why bother with its transesterification and producing biodiesel ? But maybe there are other significant reasons to support rapeseed oil rafination (esterification) before its energy use ??? I would expand your question: Can we utilize etanol to burn on boilers Please stay in touch Sincerely yours jan surowka [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ems-energy.pl Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
Hi Jerry, The price of diesel here in Georgia USA is $1.30 9/10 to $1.39 9/10 right now. I travel the Interstate hwy every day so I see a lot of truckstops, I`ll be glad to keep the prices posted if it will help. David Cruse - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article Hi Ed and All, 100% biodiesel costs between $.30 and $1.40 a gal to make depending on your source of feedstock. Heating oil, slightly better grade of diesel sells in the $.75 / $.80 a gal on the spot market now. As many biodiesel makers get their feedstock for almost free biodiesel would cost about the same as diesel if there was enough supply. Adding 10/20% biodiesel to diesel shouldn't raise the price much if at all. Taxes not included, YMMV. jerry dycus --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three Times the Price Because biodiesel costs three times as much as regular diesel, adding biodiesel even in small amounts raises the cost of the fuel by several cents per gallon. It was selling in Sparks for $1.62 per gallon. What's the average price of diesel in Nevada at this time...anyone know? 54 cents a gallon? Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner
Jan, I have followed this thread before and if you check the archives you may find that Biodiesel will replace fuel oil nicely in standard fuel oil gun type furnaces but Strait Veg Oil (SVO) causes a buildup (acrolein?) which quickly degrades efficiency. Waste oil burners apparently work well for SVO but are expensive. As for ethanol...the energy required to produce it probably make it energy innefficient to use in place of fuel oil. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Acrolein (List of Diesel Products of Combustion)
Acrolein was mentioned in an earlier post as well, and I wanted to find a list of diesel products of combustion. Here is one that may be of interest. http://www.osha-slc.gov/SLTC/dieselexhaust/chemical.html Ed B. From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:12:46 -0700 (PDT) To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner Jan, I have followed this thread before and if you check the archives you may find that Biodiesel will replace fuel oil nicely in standard fuel oil gun type furnaces but Strait Veg Oil (SVO) causes a buildup (acrolein?) which quickly degrades efficiency. Waste oil burners apparently work well for SVO but are expensive. As for ethanol...the energy required to produce it probably make it energy innefficient to use in place of fuel oil. Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle
From Steve Spence: http://www.e-cycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle Employing state-of-the-art mechanical and electrical design technology, eCycle is developing a 150mpg motorcycle. The motorcycle will feature a 125cc advanced 2-stroke CIDI engine and a 10kW electric motor. The projected weight of the motorcycle is 230lbs, with a top speed of 80mph and acceleration of 0-60 mph in 6 seconds. The target retail price is $5,000. eCycle plans to introduce the hybrid motorcycle in 2002. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Reclaiming the methanol
A biodiesel question. If you boil off and distill the excess methanol from the glycerine for re-use, is it in fact suitable for re-use? Won't it be too wet? I don't even know if water dissolves in methanol. If so, does methanol have the same or similar upper-limit azeotropic restriction for distillation as ethanol does? Sure, you get rid of the water in the oil first, but some water is released during the transesterification, and it'll be in the glycerine along with excess meths. TIA Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
