Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Gas/Biodiesel "was hybrid Ethanol/Diesel"
What about the gas starting kerosene running yifa engines. could they be run on biodiesel? and Can this technology be stepped up on a larger scale? Jeremy - Original Message - From: "Michael Redler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratiocan be used with an unmodifyed engine ? > Thanks for the input. I wanted to show concern, but > not discouragement. I think Mark is asking a really > good question. > > A mixture of biofuels would effect dependance on one > or the other and I think it would be a great > achievement to develop a cost effective way to pull > this off. > > Mike > > --- "Pannir P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Micheal > > > > Several research have been carried out to mix > > Ethanol/Diesel , > > but not yet come well come to comercial scale. See > > the previous post > > here in this group to make microemulsion of ethanol > > and additives > > which need to be pure , not hydrated. > >With suitable additives which are very effective > > had been known > > , but are very costlier and biodeisel can be > > an additive to make > > possible the use ethanol to increase cetane > > number as reported in > > some patents , but only upto maximium 10 porcent. > > > >Several useful links can be seen in the old list > > of our group here > > as follows. > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > sd > > Pannirselvam P.V > > Brasil > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), Michael > > Redler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. > > But, > > > I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the > > > alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting > > > combustion. > > > > > > Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I > > > hope) it's not a serious concern. > > > > > > MikeR > > > > > > --- "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I was looking at the feasibility of adding a > > hybrid > > > > Ethanol injection > > > > system to > > > > An old Diesel VW rabbit. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an > > > > unmodified Diesel engine > > > > and run properly ? > > > > > > > > I was considering a CSI injection system into > > the > > > > manifold just before > > > > the intake valves. > > > > These are readily available at the auto Wreakers > > and > > > > easily > > > > controllable. > > > > I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it > > would > > > > allow higher > > > > Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. > > > > > > > > The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel > > at > > > > start and idle then > > > > increase the > > > > Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power > > is > > > > high. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net > > (searchable): > > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pagandai V Pannirselvam > > Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN > > Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ > > Centro de Tecnologia - CT > > Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - > > PPGEQ > > Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC > > > > Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio > > CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil > > > > Residence : > > Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, > >Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 > >Capim Macio > > EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil > > > > Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 > > 2171557 > > Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 > > 2171557 > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoa
Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
on 3/26/05 11:07 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Keith is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time. > I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts > sent his way for those not so inclined. > Thanks for the reply -- I had no idea My thoughts are with him, and I miss his contributions :-( -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Where's Keith?
Hallo Ken, Friday, 25 March, 2005, 21:55:30, you wrote: KP> If I wasn't such a lurker, I'd probly know this, but... KP> Where's Keith? I trust all's well... Keith is back in the hospital for reasons unknown to me at this time. I would suggest prayer for those holding with prayer and good thoughts sent his way for those not so inclined. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?
Thanks for the input. I wanted to show concern, but not discouragement. I think Mark is asking a really good question. A mixture of biofuels would effect dependance on one or the other and I think it would be a great achievement to develop a cost effective way to pull this off. Mike --- "Pannir P.V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Micheal > > Several research have been carried out to mix > Ethanol/Diesel , > but not yet come well come to comercial scale. See > the previous post > here in this group to make microemulsion of ethanol > and additives > which need to be pure , not hydrated. >With suitable additives which are very effective > had been known > , but are very costlier and biodeisel can be > an additive to make > possible the use ethanol to increase cetane > number as reported in > some patents , but only upto maximium 10 porcent. > >Several useful links can be seen in the old list > of our group here > as follows. > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > sd > Pannirselvam P.V > Brasil > > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), Michael > Redler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. > But, > > I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the > > alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting > > combustion. > > > > Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I > > hope) it's not a serious concern. > > > > MikeR > > > > --- "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > I was looking at the feasibility of adding a > hybrid > > > Ethanol injection > > > system to > > > An old Diesel VW rabbit. > > > > > > Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an > > > unmodified Diesel engine > > > and run properly ? > > > > > > I was considering a CSI injection system into > the > > > manifold just before > > > the intake valves. > > > These are readily available at the auto Wreakers > and > > > easily > > > controllable. > > > I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it > would > > > allow higher > > > Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. > > > > > > The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel > at > > > start and idle then > > > increase the > > > Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power > is > > > high. > > > > > > Thanks > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net > (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > -- > Pagandai V Pannirselvam > Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN > Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ > Centro de Tecnologia - CT > Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - > PPGEQ > Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC > > Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário > CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil > > Residence : > Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, >Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 >Capim Macio > EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil > > Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 > 2171557 > Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 > 2171557 > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wash water
I am no expert on this subject. But from my experiences (however few they may be) I have had better luck with my water strait out of the well than with my softened water. Although I have never had an emulsion formation due to softened water; I have read that salt can help prevent emulsion but can hinder soap formation. The soap can then clog your fuel filters and cause other problems. This serves as a slight problem for me because I like to add hot water to the wash and my hot water is softened. Aside from hooking up another hot water heater pre-softener I guess for now I will just make sure my fuel is warm before it goes into the wash. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please do not Quote items form "THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS" I am one > American > why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. > Have you > ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen > desert. > Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the > caribou > when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the > pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like > background noise. FArmer Paul > It is my understanding that there are cyclical variations in the size of the caribou population in Alaska and Canada. I gather that certain measures were taken in the construction of the pipeline to mitigate its effects on the caribou (notably migration patterns), precisely because of vocal concerns expressed that there could be an impact. However, I am not aware of any credible link that would explain an increase in the caribou population because of the pipeline. I have not seen the area of Alaska proposed for oil exploration and drilling. I have seen the land near my grandfather's property both before and after Chevron drilled exploratory holes on it. No oil was found, but over twenty years later, there were still patches of that pasture where grass was not growing. (I have not visited the area in almost a decade now.) The exploration, drilling, extraction, storage, transport, refining and use of oil are not benign activities. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Helo Ken,Chris and Chuk We all the members are surely thankful for the bold step of moving the our list to the present one especially Keith and Martin from yahoo as this forum, provides valuable information for all of us, especailly the people from the south side of the world , without the commercial necessities saving all our valuable time . sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:59:11 -0500, Ken Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" > > Is that not what the JTF site is all about , I have improved my life just > by reading about the problems others have conquered . I've made my share > of mistakes and gone on with it .I wouldn't have dreamed about making my > fuel without your help. > > Ken > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?
Dear Micheal Several research have been carried out to mix Ethanol/Diesel , but not yet come well come to comercial scale. See the previous post here in this group to make microemulsion of ethanol and additives which need to be pure , not hydrated. With suitable additives which are very effective had been known , but are very costlier and biodeisel can be an additive to make possible the use ethanol to increase cetane number as reported in some patents , but only upto maximium 10 porcent. Several useful links can be seen in the old list of our group here as follows. Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:18:25 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. But, > I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the > alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting > combustion. > > Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I > hope) it's not a serious concern. > > MikeR > > --- "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I was looking at the feasibility of adding a hybrid > > Ethanol injection > > system to > > An old Diesel VW rabbit. > > > > Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an > > unmodified Diesel engine > > and run properly ? > > > > I was considering a CSI injection system into the > > manifold just before > > the intake valves. > > These are readily available at the auto Wreakers and > > easily > > controllable. > > I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it would > > allow higher > > Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. > > > > The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel at > > start and idle then > > increase the > > Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power is > > high. > > > > Thanks > > M > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wash water
use your well water it works much better. Dont use softened water, you will get emulsion. challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] wash water
with a lot of minerals. Should I use snow water, or R.O. water? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Freezing
biodiesel in the summer and then switch to regular diesel in the winter. The only perfectly safe method is to use a two tank system. Other than that, you'll have to work with anti-gel additives and pulling the cream off your fuel, saving the higher gel point esters for summer and using the lower gel point fuel for winter. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Freezing Hello All, There is a producer of Biodiesel in my area (Finally!). I am thinking of buying it bulk (in 55 gallon drums) to keep in my garage. I am unable to produce myself, so I need to purchase. As of yet, there are no actually fueling stations, so buying in bulk is my only option. I am apprehensive because the man who runs the station told me that B100 freezes in the wintertime, that is something I wasn't aware of. Have you encountered that, and what do you do to get around it? I live in Wisconsin, winter lasts at least half of the year. I don't want to use biodiesel in the summer and then switch to regular diesel in the winter. Any suggestions, or insight? Thanks a lot, Shannon Helvey ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth
Oh. So oil is good for animals? Perhaps someone forgot to tell all the fish and other wildlife in Prince William Sound. Sorry Paul. Until you've walked some of the old drilling sights in Alaska and seen how the promises of "enviornmentally safe" quickly unraveled or lived at the end of a 50 mile dead zone plume from of a petrochemical refinery it's pretty difficult not to see your remarks as over generalization and sweeping statments - the same type of remarks that you chide. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth Please do not Quote items form "THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS" I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?
I'm by no stretch of the imagination, am expert. But, I'd imagine that you might run into trouble as the alcohol brings the cetane value down, effecting combustion. Can sombody offer some feedback on this? Maybe (I hope) it's not a serious concern. MikeR --- "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All > > I was looking at the feasibility of adding a hybrid > Ethanol injection > system to > An old Diesel VW rabbit. > > Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an > unmodified Diesel engine > and run properly ? > > I was considering a CSI injection system into the > manifold just before > the intake valves. > These are readily available at the auto Wreakers and > easily > controllable. > I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it would > allow higher > Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. > > The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel at > start and idle then > increase the > Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power is > high. > > Thanks > M > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim & Garth Travis Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps Greetings, I don't see how the pump can be real high tech if they have existed for over 2000 years. Yes, one can use high tech to build one, but it should not be necessary. My uncle had one that was only 20 feet tall and it worked just fine. He built it himself. Depends where you are. He was in the middle of the bald prairie. I am trying to find information about how they were made before they went high tech and got real expensive. Yes, I am aware that the low tech ones are not as dependable, need more wind to actually pump and the other limitations. I don't see this as a problem. I don't want the upkeep on a high tech system. I want something that can be repaired at home. I have entirely too much stuff already that when it breaks, it will be permanently broken due to parts be un-available. I am tired of built in obsolescence and new designs. Bright Blessings, Kim Kim! That is the right attitude towards technology. I've had enough of the built in obsolescence as well. The key to good technology is sharing information on how it is built and maintained. I have seen small parts of a good wind powered water pumping system. I'd really like to try it unfortunately I don't have the tools or time to attempt it now. Start with a pipe. Fill it with an auger type structure. Build the auger out of whatever material you find handy. Wood, metal, plastics. You want the auger to get as close to the pipe rim as possible. Wood will rot, but you can always get another tree to make another auger out of. Hopefully. ;) The windmill is again built out of whatever is hand. Probably wood, perhaps cloth or even leaves. I'm wondering about windmill fans made of leaves and twigs then coated with glue. I think I could make them light and strong. The basic design of a fan is not difficult. Attach the fan to the auger in the pipe. Use bicycle gears to transfer the energy. A longer auger and pipe will be better than a fast auger. A fast auger will wear out faster and have more stresses. A long slow auger might be able to keep a momentum / current going. Good luck. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] RE : Methane Hydrate
>http://www.netl.doe.gov/scngo/Natural%20Gas/hydrates/index.html >Interesting reading...don't know too much about the >subject...but possible fuel source according to some. >Survey estimates that methane hydrate may contain more >organic carbon than all the world's coal, oil, and >non-hydrate natural gas combined.The magnitude of this >previously unknown global storehouse of methane is >truly staggering and has raised serious inquiry into >the possibility of using methane hydrate as a source >of energy. I also don't know too much about this subject,but in Richard Heinberg's book 'Power Down',he states a few things about it.Taking his point of view,would be mostly pessamistic,but it seems as though he thinks there are a lot of technical diffuculties in acquiring it, and possible catastrophic consequences in doing so. Technical difficulties are that you have to mine it from the ocean floor...and when doing this,it could disrupt sea floor stability, causing huge under-water landslides that could possibly create tsunamis, and release the frozen methane into the ocean,which makes it way up to the surface and into the atmosphere. Methane is over twenty times as effective as carbon dioxide in trapping the sun's energy on earth(a really good working greenhouse gas).Something jaw-dropping that was also in his book stated that there is sometimes methane hydrate trapped in permantly frozen soil on land,like Siberia and Alaska...and 'Russian engineers have actually suggested pumping nuclear waste under the Siberian permafrost to thaw the hydrate fields there so they can be exploited.'What???!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Goodbye to two friends BP Amoco Texas City Refinery
Mike, my thoughts are with you! I lost a family friend, more of an "uncle" in the Piper Alpha disaster when I was in my teens. Then a couple of years later lost a cousin who fell from a crane, again working on a rig. It's a dangerous business & all too often lessons are learned when it's too late for loved ones, friends or workmates. Hope you are ok Malcolm > AntiFossil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I received word this morning that two of the people > killed in the > explosion at the BPA/TC Refinery were longtime > friends of mine. One > going back to the days when I worked at that same > plant, and the other > going back to our high school days. I find it > astonishing every time > something like this happens, whether in Texas City, > or a little > further north on the Houston ship channel itself, > that the entire > southeast corner of Texas doesn't simply implode. If > John Q. Public > knew exactly what quantities of flammables, > explosives, corrosives, > and oxidizers alone where stored within 1 mile of > this most recent > explosion alone, I think he/she would simply pass > out from fear once > that information was made known to them. > > I have been gathering every "news" story I can find > on this event. I > have seen quite a few references to "could this have > been a terrorist > attack"? Not being someone who believes in starting > rumors, and > hating those who enjoy fostering panic, I will say > this, "For this > particular explosion/series of explosions to have > been a terrorist > attack 1) it would have had to have been initiated > from inside the > plant, due to the location of the unit involved, and > 2) that would > have been virtually impossible to accomplish without > being witnessed > by someone, either on view, or via security cameras. > > I will be leaving this evening for Houston, so that > I can be at the > ceremonies, both planned for Saturday. I humbly ask > for your prayers, > your blessings, your encouragements, and your > condolences for the > families of all those killed in this tragedy, as > well as for those > still fighting their battles to live. My thoughts > and prayers will be > with them during my travels. > > Thank you fellow list members, > Mike Krafka ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: The Twilight of Fuel?
this ought to make for some unfettered drivel... (but Lou is good at asking pointed questions, so at least it should be interesting!) the show airs at 6pm EST and repeats at, I think, 11pm EST. the transcript should show up later tonight at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ldt.html Lisa southeast US -- Forwarded Message -- Lou Dobbs Tonight Thursday, March 24, 2005 THE TWILIGHT OF FUEL? Mark Mills, co-author of "The Bottomless Well", joins us to explain why he says energy is not scarce, why the price of energy doesn't matter very much, and why wasting energy is both necessary and desirable. BROKEN BORDERS Michael Cutler of the Center for Immigration Studies joins us with his reaction to the border issues raised in the summit between President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin. THE SCHIAVO CASE Dr. Joseph Fins, director of medical ethics at the Weill Cornell Medical Center, joins us to discuss the latest developments in the Terry Schiavo case. GRANGE ON POINT Brig. Gen. David Grange (Ret.) joins us to discuss the latest developments in Iraq and the outlook for troop commitments there. ASSAULT ON THE MIDDLE CLASS In this week’s special series, “Assault on the Middle Class,” we’ll look beyond the debate about social security reform at what middle-class Americans can really expect when they retire. Tonight, we’ll take a look at how retirees are coping with runaway health care costs. For more, visit http://cnn.com/loudobbstonight. Stop by the site to test your knowledge of the “America’s Bright Future” series in our online quiz. Also visit the Web site for ordering information for Lou’s new book, “Exporting America: Why Corporate Greed is Shipping American Jobs Overseas”. The book is now available for purchase online and in stores. CNN -- The most trusted name in news. (c) 2005 Cable News Network LP, LLLP. A Time Warner Company All Rights Reserved. --- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
Kim, There are still old wind powered water pump on old farms in the midwest. I think my brother just sold a good one this year. They are entirely different than wind generators because they have to develop power from a dead stop. Are you looking to buy or just info.? Jerry On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:17:39 -0600 Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greetings, > I have been through all my reference books, etc. and I can not find > any > information on wind powered water pumps. Does any one have the > directions > for building one? What are they capable of and other such > information will > be appreciated. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
feet per year? Any thoughts? Thanks for any time allocated. Dave - Original Message - From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps Kim, What do you have in mind, the common everyday windmill or something else? In the event it's the standard windmill I'm surprised you didn't find anything on them. I would think a trip to http://www.yoderswindmillservice.com/ should start answering all of your questions. Then try these as well http://www.windmills.net/ http://www.aermotorwindmills.com/ , this google http://www.google.com/search?q=water+pumping+windmills&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en&start=0&sa=N or http://tinyurl.com/4bum4 should net you 45K hits or so. Enjoy. Doug - Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps : Greetings, : I have been through all my reference books, etc. and I can not find any : information on wind powered water pumps. Does any one have the directions : for building one? What are they capable of and other such information will : be appreciated. : Bright Blessings, : Kim : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Process Question
Hello to all, In the set up I have here at the City of Eufaula Public Works, I preheat the wvo before transferring to the processor. I hadn't thought of this until today, but the volume of 200 gallons of oil cold is less than it is at temp. I have been filling the processor to the the 200 gallon mark with hot oil. Have I been overdosing my process with catalyst? Thanks for any help. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] New Biodiesel Mandate
If you are interested in how the market for biodiesel is growing, here is another significant new user coming into full operation soon. This will have an impact on maintain the retail price even with new suppliers. Tom Leue Biodiesel Mandate for Navy and Marine Facilities March 22, 2005 Jefferson City, Missouri [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] Beginning June 1, 2005 all U.S. Navy and Marine non-tactical diesel vehicles will be required to operate on a B20 (20 percent) biodiesel blend as part of the military's efforts to increase their use of domestic and clean fuels. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com "Naval leaders clearly recognize the responsibility the Navy has to reduce its own use of petroleum..." - Joe Jobe, NBB executive director Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary (Installations and Environment) Wayne Arny, of the U.S. Department of the Navy issued the memorandum. The U.S. Navy, Army, Air Force and Marines all use B20, a mixture of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent diesel, at different bases and stations throughout the country. Biodiesel can be used in its pure form (B100) or can be blended at any level with petroleum diesel. It can be used in diesel engines with few or no modifications and has similar horsepower, torque and BTU content compared to petroleum diesel while offering excellent lubricity. The January 18, 2005 Navy memo provided guidance for biodiesel use including that it can be supplied by the Defense Energy Support Center (DESC) and used where adequate fuel tanks are available. The policy does not apply to tactical military equipment or deployable commercial equipment intended to support contingency operations. "We commend the Navy for its leadership role in advancing the use of biodiesel and other alternative fuels," said Joe Jobe, NBB executive director. "With the U.S. importing more than half of all oil consumed, turning to domestic energy sources like biodiesel is critical. The Navy is setting a positive example for the rest of the nation with this new policy." Jobe added that the Navy is the largest user of diesel fuel in the world, and is charged with protecting shipping routes to import petroleum to the United States. "Naval leaders clearly recognize the responsibility the Navy has to reduce its own use of petroleum, and we commend them for that," Jobe said. In 2003, Naval Base Ventura County (NBVC) in Port Hueneme, Calif. began a unique pilot program making biodiesel from its own biodiesel processing unit. Eventually, the Navy could send portable biodiesel processing units overseas to produce its own fuel while on missions abroad. This could give the U.S. military a tactical advantage should fuel supplies be compromised. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
Sorry, I forgot : You can find ECN on the internet. Probably it is www.ECN.nl Pieter Koole - Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps > Greetings, > I have been through all my reference books, etc. and I can not find any > information on wind powered water pumps. Does any one have the directions > for building one? What are they capable of and other such information will > be appreciated. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
Hello Kim. I live in the Netherlands and as you perhaps know, our country is below sealevel. In the past we won land from the North Sea. At ECN in Petten (Energie Centrum Nederland) they can surely provide you with information, or they at least know where you can get it. Succes. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands - Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps > Greetings, > I have been through all my reference books, etc. and I can not find any > information on wind powered water pumps. Does any one have the directions > for building one? What are they capable of and other such information will > be appreciated. > Bright Blessings, > Kim > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Freezing
Hello All, There is a producer of Biodiesel in my area (Finally!). I am thinking of buying it bulk (in 55 gallon drums) to keep in my garage. I am unable to produce myself, so I need to purchase. As of yet, there are no actually fueling stations, so buying in bulk is my only option. I am apprehensive because the man who runs the station told me that B100 freezes in the wintertime, that is something I wasn't aware of. Have you encountered that, and what do you do to get around it? I live in Wisconsin, winter lasts at least half of the year. I don't want to use biodiesel in the summer and then switch to regular diesel in the winter. Any suggestions, or insight? Thanks a lot, Shannon Helvey ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fear Makes People Stupid
Been reading Jared Diamond -- Collapse, How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. I realized something -- as a society "col- lapses", many people become Afraid, and Fear Makes People Stu- pid. So there's actually a failure-promoting tendency as the descent progresses! :-) -K This failure promoting tendency probably increases the rate of descent as well. Imagine collapse of empire at internet speed. ;) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A quest to ruin the Earth
Please do not Quote items form "THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS" I am one American why does not like the EXTREME hog wast spewed by todays enviromentalist. Have you ever seen the area to be used for oil development. It is a vast frozen desert. Talk about the destruction of the environment sounds like the talk about the caribou when the Alaska pipe line was built. We now have MORE Caribou than before the pipeline. Don't make such wild accusations. They are beginning to sound like background noise. FArmer Paul ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Martin, don't be so hard on yourself m8!!! As others have said you have done what you could with what you had - isn't that what we here are all well accustomed to do? If something doesn't work quite right - we adapt. I feel a sense of responsibility now for the fact that the web space I had promised, through Mike, has taken so long to be set up merely due to lack of proper communication, through no ones fault. As far as the quality of content of discussion on the list - this is not down to you - it is the list members that enrich this aspect. The fact that you, Keith & all the rest of us may be preoccupied with projects, work, family etc to be able to contribute to the list on current or new topics of discussion is irrelevant. Lists have quiet times just like any other organisation you can imagine. Chill out - you are doing a grand job - & whilst you may think "this just ain't working right!" - everything will fall into place - we all work to this principle by the nature of what we do - you are a big part of that so stick with it - you are needed! I need to know if the mirror server we offered is set up & working ok - if not I will chase it up - but please "spam" me till we have it set up, there is no reason why this should all be on your shoulders, so speak up m8y. We have a critical job to do - we can't give up now! Best regards Malcolm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?
Hi All I was looking at the feasibility of adding a hybrid Ethanol injection system to An old Diesel VW rabbit. Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an unmodified Diesel engine and run properly ? I was considering a CSI injection system into the manifold just before the intake valves. These are readily available at the auto Wreakers and easily controllable. I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it would allow higher Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel at start and idle then increase the Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power is high. Thanks M ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] No problems man
I monitor this list daily, and I have not noticed any problem that would have prevented me from participating in a discussion. Remember, the Internet is based on a conectionless protocol technology that has absolutely zero assurance of performance. Packets get lost, messages get scrambled, but overall the systems works well and efficiently. I can only guess what the back traffic you must be getting includes, but I suggest you respond by telling them to suck it up or leave. This discussion forum has provided me with more knowledge and insight than four years of college. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! Michael Martin Klingensmith wrote: > I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel > personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that > I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an > alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once > again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has > put into the list trying to make it sustainable. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] RE: Vegetable Oil Press
Prezado Raul, Carl Bielenberg from Marshfield Vermont- founder of the Apropriate Technologies fair- while in africa developed a very interesting and efficient hand-powered oil press with the type of production capacity you are looking for. You can see plans at: http://www.jatropha.org/rampresses/biel-ram.htm He is fairly accessible, and since you all share the connecticut river, perhaps you can even visit. Be well, Adrian > - Original Message - > From: "Raul A Raudales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:26 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Vegetable Oil Press > > > >I wonder if any of the biofuel enthusiast will know a source of a > small > > vegetable oil press (expeller). Looking on the 2 to 4 liter of oil > per > > hour range, or 8 to 16 kg if seed per hour. > > > > This is an small press, however I am looking for an industrial > type of > > machine not a kitchen type one. The capacity is approximated, it > could be > > a bit higher. > > > > Thank you for the cooperation, regards, > > > > Ral A. Raudales > > Director, Research & Planning > > Mesoamerican Development Institute > > Lowell, Massachusetts > > (978) 937 - 3460 www.mesoamerican.org > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ( off topic) Israel confirms settlement growth
Source: BBC News Last Updated: Monday, 21 March, 2005, 16:36 GMT Israel confirms settlement growth About 390,000 Jewish settlers already live in the West Bank The Israeli government has confirmed plans to increase the size of its largest settlement in the West Bank. Approximately 3,500 homes are planned for Maale Adumim, east of Jerusalem. The settlements at Ariel in the northern West Bank, and Gush Etzion, south of Jerusalem, are also expected to be expanded. Israeli officials confirmed that Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz has approved the construction of the new homes in Maale Adumim. Defence Ministry spokeswoman Shiri Eden said the expansion of the settlement is part of an overall development plan for Maale Adumim approved by the government in 1999. Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said the Israeli plan threatened hopes of restarting the Middle East peace process. "[This] sabotages all efforts seeking to get the peace process back on track," he told the AFP news agency. "The Israeli government wants to determine Jerusalem's fate by presenting the settlements and wall as a fait accompli. "We ask the Quartet and American President George Bush: what happened to the two-state vision and how can we have peace while settlements and the wall continue to be built?" Mr Erekat said. Under the peace plan known as the roadmap, Israel pledged to freeze the growth of settlements on land occupied since 1967. The plan is sponsored by the "quartet" of the US, Russia, European Union and United Nations. The international community considers all settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this. About 400,000 Jewish settlers live in Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem - alongside more than four million Palestinians. To read the rest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4367787.stm Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Global Bully Goes to Guatemala
I am relieved that there are some people in America that are aware of the damage the U.S. government is doing to other conuntries (not only in Irak!) Thanks a lot for this article, Keith. Patricia Guatemala City ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming
In a message dated 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming > Date: 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hello Rich, > > I agree 100%. > The question is how? It simply is not enforceable. You've heard the > saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". > My friend, from what I've seen in the few years I have been up here > in farm country, you can't even get these horse's near the water! > This is status quo country, change is not something these folks even > want to consider. > > Now I'm not talking about every farmer, on every farm, in every state, > or every country.I'm talking my little corner of the planet. In > this corner, the older generation still has a firm grip on the > financial part of the equation, for now. But there is an interesting > dynamic looming around here, and locals feel it. There is a > significant generational gap between those in control now, and those > who will be soon enough. The interesting part, to me anyway, is the > quiet change that is happening now, that I haven't heard a word about, > outside of farm country. I would say this for sure Rich, don't stop > working for what you believe in and don't give up on Americans. We'll > get it right. > > AntiFossil > Mike Krafka > Minnesota USA > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:17:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If we, in the near future, are to get a sizeable share of our fuel energy > >coming form land farming and reduce depency on fossil oil, then farmers > need to > >stop using artificial fertilizers, which kill the soil microorganisms that > live > >in the ground and that process soil nutrients for plants to live on. > Farmers > >need to plant trees in valleys to protect soil from erosion. Remember the > >Dust Bowl from the 1930s in the MidWEst? > >(http://www.usd.edu/anth/epa/dust.html). Enforce crop rotation to avoid > depleting the soil. The country has a great > >land quantity and a small portion of it is usable for farming. With > intensive > >farming, we effectively are limiting our future avenues of fuel production > and > >our capability to participate in tomorrow's market trends. > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > I see parrallels developing between desertification in other countries and this one. Interactions between desertification and production of hurricanes. Excessive tree harvesting in Africa (by African people), creating the Sahara desert, causes the hurricanes that cross the Atlantic, causing death and destriction along its passage along the East Coast of the US. On a trip to Provincetown, our tour guide gave a historical of the development of this part of the country. One of the causes of the production of those nice sand dunes, that we see on post cards, is excessive tree harvesting by the settlers at colonization time. Local governments had to hire volunteers to put plants into the dunes to stabilize them. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming
In a message dated 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming > Date: 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hello Rich, > > I agree 100%. > The question is how? It simply is not enforceable. You've heard the > saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". > My friend, from what I've seen in the few years I have been up here > in farm country, you can't even get these horse's near the water! > This is status quo country, change is not something these folks even > want to consider. > > Now I'm not talking about every farmer, on every farm, in every state, > or every country.I'm talking my little corner of the planet. In > this corner, the older generation still has a firm grip on the > financial part of the equation, for now. But there is an interesting > dynamic looming around here, and locals feel it. There is a > significant generational gap between those in control now, and those > who will be soon enough. The interesting part, to me anyway, is the > quiet change that is happening now, that I haven't heard a word about, > outside of farm country. I would say this for sure Rich, don't stop > working for what you believe in and don't give up on Americans. We'll > get it right. > > AntiFossil > Mike Krafka > Minnesota USA > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:17:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If we, in the near future, are to get a sizeable share of our fuel energy > >coming form land farming and reduce depency on fossil oil, then farmers > need to > >stop using artificial fertilizers, which kill the soil microorganisms that > live > >in the ground and that process soil nutrients for plants to live on. > Farmers > >need to plant trees in valleys to protect soil from erosion. Remember the > >Dust Bowl from the 1930s in the MidWEst? > >(http://www.usd.edu/anth/epa/dust.html). Enforce crop rotation to avoid > depleting the soil. The country has a great > >land quantity and a small portion of it is usable for farming. With > intensive > >farming, we effectively are limiting our future avenues of fuel production > and > >our capability to participate in tomorrow's market trends. > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > I guess some things only happen as time passes, like dictatorships will evolve only when their rulers die on their own time. Agriculture will change in the MidWest will change when older people practicing intensive farming and holding control over the farms die off on their own. Maybe we can wait that long, maybe not. Only time will tell. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] glycerin blocks
- Original Message - From: "TLC Orchids and Such" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] glycerin blocks Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin? I have about 20 gallons of liquid glycerin and about 5 Gal. that gelled. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hey Martin, Don't beat yourself up over it. We've all hosed servers, well those of us that have had to maintain them anyways. ;) Learn from the experience. Add one more entry to your personal "How not to ..." list. Life goes on, I'm still getting email from the list, the information is useful, what more can we ask for. Cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Klingensmith Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming
In a message dated 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel and intensive farming > Date: 3/21/2005 10:02:37 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hello Rich, > > I agree 100%. > The question is how? It simply is not enforceable. You've heard the > saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". > My friend, from what I've seen in the few years I have been up here > in farm country, you can't even get these horse's near the water! > This is status quo country, change is not something these folks even > want to consider. > > Now I'm not talking about every farmer, on every farm, in every state, > or every country.I'm talking my little corner of the planet. In > this corner, the older generation still has a firm grip on the > financial part of the equation, for now. But there is an interesting > dynamic looming around here, and locals feel it. There is a > significant generational gap between those in control now, and those > who will be soon enough. The interesting part, to me anyway, is the > quiet change that is happening now, that I haven't heard a word about, > outside of farm country. I would say this for sure Rich, don't stop > working for what you believe in and don't give up on Americans. We'll > get it right. > > AntiFossil > Mike Krafka > Minnesota USA > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:17:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If we, in the near future, are to get a sizeable share of our fuel energy > >coming form land farming and reduce depency on fossil oil, then farmers > need to > >stop using artificial fertilizers, which kill the soil microorganisms that > live > >in the ground and that process soil nutrients for plants to live on. > Farmers > >need to plant trees in valleys to protect soil from erosion. Remember the > >Dust Bowl from the 1930s in the MidWEst? > >(http://www.usd.edu/anth/epa/dust.html). Enforce crop rotation to avoid > depleting the soil. The country has a great > >land quantity and a small portion of it is usable for farming. With > intensive > >farming, we effectively are limiting our future avenues of fuel production > and > >our capability to participate in tomorrow's market trends. > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > Should we as humans wait until we are at the brink of destruction to put meaningful changes of behavior into effect? Most humans, by nature, will not change unless exists serious danger to themselves or someone they know/love. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
"did what I could with what I had at my disposal" Is that not what the JTF site is all about , I have improved my life just by reading about the problems others have conquered . I've made my share of mistakes and gone on with it .I wouldn't have dreamed about making my fuel without your help. Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I hardly believe that falling on your sword is necessary. People being people, we will rub one another the wrong way from time to time. Machines and software being what they are, they will fail sometimes also. This forum, warts and all provides valuable information for all of us, without the commercial necessities that power Yahoo. I want to thank all of the JTF crew for their energy and efforts. Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] diesel, is it cleaner?
much betterall around .supposidly it is less toxic than table salt and more biodegradible than suger. - Original Message - From: "Andrew & Tracey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: [Biofuel] diesel, is it cleaner? Back in the 80's there was a report published about the findings of number of independant scientists investigating the effects of burning diesel fuel and the connection to the big increase of asthma in children. Not only did they find the two very much connected, they also claimed diesel was responsible for causing cancer. Do you know anybody who has died from lung cancer that didn't smoke? It also went on to state it was one of the most dangerous substances known to man because of the increasing volume of usage. Does anybody remember this report?. I know several people who do- they all own diesel powered cars. It's funny how we all think that nothing is going to happen to us, just to the other bloke. Does anyone know of any research done on the effects of biodiesel on the human body? Is it less harmfull? I hope it is as i intend to make some. regards A&T. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] No Blood on Our Hands
Jesus Bomb?" and "What Would Jesus Drive (Ride)?" http://www.tompaine.com/articles/no_blood_on_our_hands.php No Blood On Our Hands Sister Dianna Ortiz March 25, 2005 Good Friday brings Christians once again to the darkest day of the year, the torture and death of Jesus. For those of us who are both Christians and survivors of torture, Good Friday has an additional meaning. It is but one more reminder that for the tortured, every day is Good Friday-in the sense that during every day of the year, there are those who hang on one government's cross or another, tortured as was Jesus 2000 years ago. From that day to this, governments that torture have justified what they do, saying "What we have done is only what we had to do." Rather than calling it torture, we are assured that what is done-whatever it is-is "for the protection of the state, the protection of you, the people." If questioned closely, we are assured that, "There is no blood on our hands." If there is blood-that is, if it cannot be denied that blood has been spilled-then it is not the leaders who spilled it but, only those on the lowest levels from whom such barbaric acts may be expected. So it has been for a long time, and so it is today. Our leaders attempt to keep secret what they do. When they are caught, they claim that what they do is not what they do-that is, they lie. When they cannot deny what was done, they blame others-those far from them, "hillbillies" and "bad apples"- intentionally using code words to imply, "They are not like us. What can you expect from those with no culture?" It is as if what happened on that Friday so long ago was caused by a few Roman bad apples, low-level soldiers, standing around the cross, acting on their own to produce that death agony taking place there. In this, the holiest time in the Christian calendar, what might we ask our leaders? What might we ask that-although they will not give it- is within their power to give? In the spirit of Easter, might we at least hope for a resurrection of truth from President George W. Bush and those who work for him? Instead, what we hear is something like: "Renditions occur, it is true, and indeed to countries that torture. But we make sure to ask them if they intend to torture this particular person and they say, 'No, of course not.' And we, of course, believe them." We are asked to accept this type of statement as truth. Donald Rumsfeld certifies procedures which are plain and simple torture (not abuse), yet he meant them to be used only in Guantnamo- not in Iraq, for heaven's sake. He is not responsible for what happened there. It's those bad apples. All agree they must be punished, and they are. No blood on Rumsfeld's hands. Apparently, while he was White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales decided nothing, influenced nothing. He just passed on memos from the Justice Department to the president. No blood on his hands. And the president himself? He states to the world that the U.S. position on torture is never : to anyone, anywhere, any time for any reason. Yet he had signed the rendition order long before he made that statement on June 26, 2003. No blood on his hands. If the Bush administration won't stop torturing-and apparently they won't-will they not, at least, stand up and tell the truth? The de facto policy of the Bush administration is to torture. Own up to it. Tell the truth. That indeed would be an Easter miracle. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Where's Keith?
If I wasn't such a lurker, I'd probly know this, but... Where's Keith? I trust all's well... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Goodbye to two friends BP Amoco Texas City Refinery
My deepest condolences to you and to the families of your longtime friends. Joanne Olafson Deep peace of the running wave to you. Deep peace of the flowing air to you. Deep peace of the quiet earth to you. Deep peace of the shining stars to you. Deep peace of the infinite peace to you. - Adapted from Gaelic Runes - Original Message - From: "AntiFossil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Goodbye to two friends BP Amoco Texas City Refinery >I received word this morning that two of the people killed in the > explosion at the BPA/TC Refinery were longtime friends of mine. One > going back to the days when I worked at that same plant, and the other > going back to our high school days. I find it astonishing every time > something like this happens, whether in Texas City, or a little > further north on the Houston ship channel itself, that the entire > southeast corner of Texas doesn't simply implode. If John Q. Public > knew exactly what quantities of flammables, explosives, corrosives, > and oxidizers alone where stored within 1 mile of this most recent > explosion alone, I think he/she would simply pass out from fear once > that information was made known to them. > > I have been gathering every "news" story I can find on this event. I > have seen quite a few references to "could this have been a terrorist > attack"? Not being someone who believes in starting rumors, and > hating those who enjoy fostering panic, I will say this, "For this > particular explosion/series of explosions to have been a terrorist > attack 1) it would have had to have been initiated from inside the > plant, due to the location of the unit involved, and 2) that would > have been virtually impossible to accomplish without being witnessed > by someone, either on view, or via security cameras. > > I will be leaving this evening for Houston, so that I can be at the > ceremonies, both planned for Saturday. I humbly ask for your prayers, > your blessings, your encouragements, and your condolences for the > families of all those killed in this tragedy, as well as for those > still fighting their battles to live. My thoughts and prayers will be > with them during my travels. > > Thank you fellow list members, > Mike Krafka > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
