Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
Nice diesel MC site with updated pics of NATO diesel bike: http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:51:10 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s >> html >> >> >> In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, >> planners have struggled for many years >> banish gasoline from the battlefield. >> >> One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which >> has always relied on simple, lightweight and >> high-powered gasoline engines. The military has >> always relied on motorcycles for battlefield >> communications and reconnaissance. >> >> Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge >> the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the >> military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered >> motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, >> used by the US Marine Corps. > > Interesting. I think NATO's been there, done that though, with a > thing called a DRA. Pic and some information here: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html > Diesel motorbikes > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Novozymes/Biodiesel
Any potential for use of enzymes in biodiesel production - anyone know? Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "Tim Castleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:44:50 -0700 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] Novozymes A/S receives Presidential Green Chemistry > Challenge Award 2001 > > http://www.novozymes.com/cgi-bin/bvisapi.dll/press/press.jsp?id=16066 > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More cowflops
I don't worry about this radiation stuff at all. In fact, I sit in front of a radiation device for hours a day reading bandwidth-wasting discussions and arguments about off topic posts. Ed B. > From: Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Maddog Press > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:00:27 -0500 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] More cowflops > > "F. Marc de Piolenc" wrote: > >> - commercial aviators experience exposure levels in excess of NRC >> standards; if they were under NRC jurisdiction they would all have to >> retire early, having exceeded allowable "life doses" that are based on >> precisely the arguments that you adduce. > > And your explanation of why pregnant stewardesses,passengers, and > pilots are warned against flying by the FAA and other authorities. and even > banned by major airlines is what? They specifically site the radiation > danger. Try doing a google search on pregnant & radiation & airline. > > > > -- > Harmon Seaver, MLIS > CyberShamanix > Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report
Uh...good point. I think PV is sort of inferior, anyway, to growing some biofuel and running the old Lister/Perkins/Series/Rabbit or whatever on it for another 100 years. Ed > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:27:21 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report > >> They plan to sell photovoltaics to an identified 1 billion customers who >> currently do not have electricity, want it, and currently pay for kerosene >> or diesel at the same monthly price Shell Renewables will charge them for a >> solar PV system on their roof. They make PV systems affordable by billing in >> payments, like an electric utility. >> >> Ed B. >> www.biofuels.ca > > Whoops! - all those dead batteries lying around all over the Third > World where there are NO arrangements for recycling them. Have they > thought of that I wonder? > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Pedro M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report >> >> >>> What«s the politic of Shell relationg Renowable energy ( biodiesel ) . >> Does >>> it sell biodiesel in its fuel-stations ???'. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Cc: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:32 PM >>> Subject: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report >>> >>> http://www.renewabletaskforce.org/default.asp G8 Renewable Energy Taskforce Homepage >>> The Task Force is chaired by Dr Corrado Clini (Director General, >> Department >>> of Environment, Italy) and Sir Mark Moody Stuart (Shell). > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://promo2.yahoo.com/sbin/Yahoo!_BusinessNewsletter/survey.cgi http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A Pollution-Free Car in Every Garage
"unlimited hydro-electric"..or wind, geothermal, nuclear, tidal, PV, biodiesel-genset-H tank, biodiesel-reformer-fuel cell...there are options to make this work and they will all be tried, but your point is taken that we don't get something for nothing. the diesel won't be around forever and at some point will be replaced, just as the advanced steam engines of the past were displaced by the diesel. In the meantime (20-50 years) many old and new diesels need a cleaner fuel option. -- Actually, any car is virtually pollution-free when it's in the garage. It's when we drive around in 'em that the problems start. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:36:52 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] A Pollution-Free Car in Every Garage > > If the energy obtained from a given mass of hydrogen is 100% - > the energy taken to make that hydrogen by hydrolysis is 130% > It then takes another 30% to compress it for portability > Making it, in all, in all 160% energy negative > > So much for the energy economy - unless you have access to unlimited > hydro-electric power > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ethanol, higher temps best with Tallow?
Comments? AuthorMa, F; Clements, L.D; Hanna, M.A. TitleBiodiesel fuel from animal fat. Ancillary studies on transesterification of beef tallow Journal TitleIndustrial and Engineering Chemistry Research DateSep 30 1998 Identifier p-issnISSN 0888-5885 DescriptionTransesterification of beef tallow was investigated. The solubility of ethanol in beef tallow was much higher than that of methanol. At 100 C the solubility of methanol was 19% (w/w). The solubility of ethanol in beef tallow reached 100% (w/w) at about 68 C. For the distribution of methanol between beef tallow methyl esters (BTME) and glycerol, the percentage of total methanol in the glycerol phase was higher than that in the fatty acid methyl ester (FAME) phase in a simulated system at room temperature. At 65--80 C, however, the percentage of total methanol in FAME (60% (w/w)) was higher than that in glycerol (40% (w/w)) in a 90:10 (w/w) blend of FAME and glycerol. This coincided with the methanol distribution in the transesterified product. The process for making beef tallow methyl esters should recover methanol using vacuum distillation, separate the ester and glycerol phases, and then wash the beef tallow methyl esters with warm water. At neutral pH, the separation of ester and glycerol and water washing was easier because it reduced emulsion formation. Journal volume37 Issue number9 Page number3768-3771 Identifier1056109 Subject keywordFATS; MEAT; ESTERIFICATION; DIESEL FUELS; FUEL SUBSTITUTION; SOLUBILITY; ETHANOL; METHANOL; LIQUID FUELS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Climate Change and peace/PubScience
-- From: Yahoo! Groups <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10 Jul 2001 22:52:34 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Unable to deliver your message We are unable to deliver the message from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to . You have not activated your Yahoo! Groups account yet. You must activate your account before you can post messages. To activate your account, you must reply to the original confirmation email you received from Yahoo! Groups. If you have lost your confirmation email, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs?edit=2 to request another one. Once you have activated your account, you will be able to send email to the groups you join. For further assistance, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From: Edward Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:56 PM To: Subject: FW: Digest fcun.v008.n086 FYI... -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Digest fcun.v008.n086 -- BEGIN fcun.v008.n086 -- 001 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Climate Change and peace/PubScience Threatened by FY2002 Appro --- MESSAGE fcun.v008.n086.1 --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Climate Change and peace/PubScience Threatened by FY2002 Appropriation Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:18:22 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1. At FGC gathering I heard two mentions of things that might have slipped through in legislation almost unnoticed if we did not have alert people watching the bills for us. I believe the American Library Association can help us on certain issues related to access of citizens to the information they need to make important decisions. The following is a very important source of energy information which we need to have in meeting the threat of climate change. Climate change is closely related to issues of peace and compassion as indicated by the following article from the Guardian. http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian >The Guardian of London >June 29, 2001 > >Global Warming > >Red Cross: Disasters Will Outstrip Aid Effort as World Heats Up > >By Peter Capella in Geneva > >International aid will not be able to keep up with the impact of >global warming, the Red Cross said yesterday, after reporting a sharp >increase in the late 1990s in the number of weather-induced disasters > >In its annual World Disasters Report the International Federation of Red >Cross and Red Crescent Societies says that floods, storms, landslides and >droughts, which numbered about 200 a year before 1996, rose sharply and >steadily to 392 in 2000. > >"Recurrent disasters from floods in Asia to drought in the Horn of Africa, >to windstorms in Latin America, are sweeping away development gains and >calling into question the possibility of recovery," the report says. > >Blaming the trend on global warming, Roger Bracke, its head of disaster >relief operations, said: "These are also the most deadly events; it is >probable that these kind of disasters will increase even more spectacularly . > >"There is a natural limit somewhere to what humanitarian assistance can do; >we are afraid that there will be a point where we can no longer provide >assistance." > >Scientists working for the United Nations say that more frequent extreme >weather is one of the signs of global warming, and low-lying island states >are the first at risk, because of the predicted rise in sea levels and >their exposure to harsher tropical storms. > >With 41% of its population of about 380,000 killed or affected between 1991 >and 2000, the Solomon Islands heads the first league table complied of >countries struck by disaster. > >Two other island groups in the south-west Pacific, Tonga and Micronesia, >are in the top eleven. >Floods accounted for more than two-thirds of the 211m people a year on >average affected by natural disasters in the past decade. > >Famine caused by drought affected nearly a fifth, and accounted for most >deaths: about 42% percent of all those caused by natural disasters. > >The federation said the impact of climate change in poor countries placed >an enormous responsibility on aid-giving states, commenting: "The latter >commonly both create the problem and set the terms by which it will be >managed." > >It suggested that poor countries might seek legal compensation to pay for >reconstruction through an "international tort climate court", adding: >"Increasingly sophisticated analysis of climate change means that ignorance >of the consequences of industrial consumption and pollution can be no >defense for inaction". > >The report points out that the poor are the most vulnerable to disasters, >88% of those affected and two thirds of those killed in the past 10 years >living in the least developed countries. > >But emergency international aid to the poorest countries declined
[biofuel] Buckycar
Another good link on the Dymaxion car, with comparisons to todays minivans... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/bucky/car.html > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheek to Complain / Bashing
Here is a link to the original Dymaxion. As well as lots of other 3 wheelers. License as motorcycle. Save $$. The original 3-wheel Morgan did not do well on rutted, unpaved roads, or so an old-timer told me. More pavement today. Corbin Sparrow borrows some 3 wheel ideas to good effect. PS: Read Fuller's "Grunch of Giants" for an interesting view of globalization. Think lighter, smaller, more efficient, local. Composite bodies on welded alum. or chromoly frames. Lexan. Think many local builders and many body styles ... a number of 'coachbuilders' using one platform. A return to the early days of automobile making. Then use biodiesel and straight renewable oil for fuel in very small, efficient diesel and hybrids. Fun. http://pages.zoom.co.uk/elvis/dymaxion.html > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheek to Complain / Bashing
You need an updated version of Fuller's "Dymaxion" with a Yanmar and some electric hub motors. ;-) Ed B. > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:32:41 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheek to Complain / Bashing > > I don't speak for all Americans, but I have 3 kids, a dog, and usually a > friend of the kids or 2 to cart around. this means a 7 passenger vehicle. > IE, Minivan/SUV. Mine is a Ford Windstar that gets 24mpg highway. > > saw an article recently on converting a vw van to diesel engine. gotta try > that. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheek to Complain / Bashing > > >> Hi Keith, >> >> Are you trying to prove or disprove my point(s)? >> >> The fact that the US infrastructure is no longer >> sufficient to handle the current traffic efficiently >> does not disprove the statements from my previous post >> you chose to include in your post. I suppose that we >> should raise our gas tax a dime or so a gal.. to allow >> us to upgrade...but as you may have noticed our >> economy is having a tough go currently...and the time >> to do so may have passed. >> >> Maybe I should not have spoken up. It seems to upset >> some people that I do not subscribe to blanket >> statements about a stereotype "American" that drive >> huge gas guzzling SUVs. I must admit that the >> statement in a previous post about Americans needing a >> good bashing upside our heads did piss me off. In >> retrospect I should not have responded as it did not >> deserve a response. >> >> By the, many of the people I know that drive gas >> guzzlers do so because they are the only autos they >> can afford to buyused. I am sure that many more >> affluent folks also drive thier larger than normally >> needed pickups and suvs so they can tow thier boats, >> travel trailers, etc. When faced with buying a second >> car they choose a "workhorse". Many in MN own suvs for >> thier all wheel drive and high ground >> clearance...which comes in mighty handy during the >> winter months heavy snows. >> >> I am equally sure that some simply want to drive >> something large because they feel safer (ACCORDING TO >> A NEW SAFETY STUDY THE JOKE IS ON THEM)or just want to >> show off their affulence. These are not the average >> American. >> I stand by my previous statement about the >> requirements of a country with such vast distances >> over which people and things must be transported and >> the difficulty of those that live in a more compact >> continent to understand this. I am sorry if some have >> a difficult time accepting this point of veiw. >> >> Dana Linscott >> >> --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi Dana >>> We are a huge country with vast distances over >>> which people and things must be transported. We live in >>> an energy dominated world economy. I do not disagree >>> that we might be more efficient...but that is an issue >>> that will always be there no matter how efficient we >>> get. There is always room for improvement. I am not defending inefficiency or the politics of energy. I just don't think most Europeans understand the >>> rules we must live with in such a large and spread out nation. Dana Linscott >>> >>> Er... >>> >>> Study finds traffic getting worse - May 7, 2001 >>> ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Traffic is getting worse: >>> The average >>> American spends 36 hours per year stuck in traffic, >>> up from 11 hours >>> in 1982, according to a study released Monday. And >>> rush "hour" is a >>> misnomer, with city streets and highways often >>> congested for six to >>> seven hours per day, the report found... >>> The study found the total congestion "bill" for the >>> 68 cities in 1999 >>> came to $78 billion in lost productivity, 4.5 >>> billion hours of delay >>> and 6.8 billion gallons of wasted fuel. >>> >> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/07/traffic.cities/index.html >>> >>> See message # 4862, 2001 Urban Mobility Study, >>> 5/8/2001 >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Keith Addison >>> Journey to Forever >>> Handmade Projects >>> Tokyo >>> http://journeytoforever.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> Please do NOT sen
Re: [biofuel] Petroleum Subsidies?
Here you go: "American subsidies to fossil-fuel industries exceed $20 billion per year" Natural Capitalism (Paul Hawken, and Amory and Hunter Lovins). p. 162, citing: Myers, N., 1998: Perverse Subsidies: Tax $s Undercutting Our Economies and Environment Alike, Intl. Inst. for Sus. Devel. Winnipeg, Canada (contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) web www.iisd.ca Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Autodidactics > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:22:00 +0800 > To: Biofuel List > Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum Subsidies? > > Much has been said on this list about petroleum being covertly > subsidized, but without specifics. > > I would be grateful for a reference to information on this topic, > because I am unable to reconcile the claim that petroleum is the > beneficiary of hidden subsidies with the high rate of excise taxation of > petroleum products. The easiest way to subsidize something, after all, > is tax relief. > > Marc de Piolenc > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Small on-board diesel genset needed
Yes, here it is... http://www.proheat.com/TRUCKS/truck.htm I think the cost was in the 5k US range, but can't recall exactly. Not cheap, but looks very good for certain applications. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "doctor who" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 05:37:50 > Subject: [biofuel] Small on-board diesel genset needed > > Someone posted the link to a small I believe the name was "ICEE" genset that > is popular with Semi-Tractor drivers for creating auxiliarry power w/out > running the engine. I have been unable to find the link/email/archive that > contains this info. > > The genset is a small black box w/a, diamond plate chrome cover. > Any help in locating this web-site is appreciated. > > Cheers, > Cordain > Dulles, VA > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WORLD COUNCIL FOR RENEWABLE ENERGIES CREATED
WORLD COUNCIL FOR RENEWABLE ENERGIES CREATED http://www.eurosolar.org/download/Presseerkl_engl.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Warren - your point is taken, however I think that if you were to really spend time poring over the scientific data that has led, over many years now, to the currently prevalent belief that climate change is occurring and that humans are resposible for it, you may come to that same conclusion. The climate models and data and conclusions that have come to pass are the result of a lot of challenges to the central hypothesis. No one is sure, but it seems that there is a very good chance that this is something that is happening and that we ought to act upon, because the outcome may indeed be quite disastrous if we do not. The alternative is to ignore those warning signs that do exist, and proceed with what is really a huge, uncontrolled experiment that we are conducting upon our atmosphere and all the services that it provides us with. What is being said is that we can err on the side of caution... and still prosper, perhaps do even better - if we can past the pain of thinking and the inertia of our current approaches. Ed B. > From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
To be very blunt about it, the climate change issue (properly based on weight of evidence, debate, skepticism, response to challenges to theories and data, and the precautionary principle) will, if nothing else and even if: A)untrue or B) even if we have already released too many tonnes of greenhouse gases to reverse the situation... ...serves as a banner under which humans can discuss the state of the planet and our activity upon it. It now appears very that many nations will adhere to their commitments to Kyoto, and that they will use that commitment as a springboard to advance eco-efficiency and renewable energy technology. Some will, foolishly, try to use it to revive the nuclear fission option. Then there are other countries who will perceive the huge potential for the creation of new, clean, profitable industries with great potential for export as a threat to their economy! Hard to believe, but true. They will let their children lag behind in learning about the technologies that will radically alter the way we produce and use energy (while letting those children continue to inhale a disproportionate amount of particulate matter, compared to adults, and impair the functioning of their lungs for the rest of their lives). They will let the growing percentage of older people in their populations suffer disproportionately from air pollution as well, and will let those costs and many, many others associated with their current view of "economy" to be left out of the accounting - costs that are not counted and are passed onto consumers in various forms rather than attached to the "sticker price" constitute a lie. They will not question what it is that economies ought to measure (just growth? growth of what? what are the costs associated with growth in the almighty GNP?). They will refuse to examine what we perhpas ought to "consume" (just material things? things that waste energy or help to use it more efficiently?) What if consumers spend on things that use fewer of the earths resources - it's still spending. What if they spend money on investing in their own continuing education instead of an SUV? They will not perceive or promote or even allow the idea that using less energy and resources to produce an end result is simply good sense and true efficiency. They will remain stuck in the belief created by a very short and abnormal chapter of human history that industry is measured by the number and size of the smokestacks and tailpipes, that wellbeing is only created and measured by tonnage of resources used up, land cleared, flooded, eroded and paved over, non-renewable energy used. They will find scientists who are willing to sell out to the highest bidder and say what they are told to say. They will promote the idea that any challenge to the status quo is a threat to society and that individuals and small groups working together cannot do for themselves, innovate, create, improve - when their very own history should tell them otherwise. They will, in short, be the losers...while those that "get it" move into an even better way of living than what has been accomplished already in the history of human development, and the development of technology base that will comprise the real growth sectors of this century and which is tightly integrated with the examination of how we live, what we do and how we use it. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:44:54 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change > >> Keith, there is so much to like in your perspective. Action to >> improve energy efficiency and increase environmental awareness is all >> to the good. Yet, I still question the selling of global warming. In >> spite of what may appear to be good underlying intentions, promoting >> fear-based propaganda of any kind primarily serves to deceive, >> manipulate and blind others. Such is not the road to social, >> scientific or any other form of enlightenment, IMHO. > > Hi Warren Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My web page is up and running
Hi Ian, just curious - have you made much biodiesel with KOH and ethanol? Page looks good, I am still partial to black text on white background, easier to read. Ed B. > From: "ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:10:20 +0100 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] My web page is up and running > > Hi all. > Just uploaded my web pages. > I'd like some feedback and any remarks you might have. > Anybody wanting links just let me know. > Thanks > Ian > http://www.btinternet.com/~sledgehamma/index.htm > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
RE: "Reducing cancer risk by use of biodiesel" (climate change) ..also you are eliminating sulphur; reducing particulates substantially; using a waste as a resource and/or supporting agriculture and new crops or uses of crops that we might not always think of when we think of biodiesel, (eg. Jatropha, Honge, nuts, algae); supporting local and regional economic development via job creation and the retention of money within local economies and thereby capturing multiplier effects; contributing to energy independence; reducing the need to cut and haul firewood (if biodiesel used for heating and light); allowing the ongoing use of existing diesels and the large amounts of embodied energy contained in their blocks and parts instead of scrapping prematurely because of an association with the petrodiesel fuel used; reducing reliance on the long distance transportation of energy and attendant risk of spills and soil and water contamination; reducing the cost of maintenance of water treatment works and systems by making a market for used veg. oil; reducing the likelihood and cost of regional military conflict and interventons by creating more possibilities for energy self-supply...and so on... The same sort case can be made for other renewable energies (especially those that can be accomplished without undue reliance on capital or technology and cn be accomplished on a small scale, duplicated many times in many places), and conservation efforts. If the need to combat climate change turns out to have been unnecessary, (which at this point is doubtful, IMHO, considering that among those most concerned are the insurance companies, who have seen their claims rise substantially from weather events wholly unanticipated by their actuaries, and are thus keenly interested in understanding what has caused this and what might happen next) , the need to make improvements in these other environmental, social and economic ways is obvious. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:59:31 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change > >> Shsh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Climate Change
And the climate models have allowed for that for quite a while now. Ok? Fini. > From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:55:17 -0600 > To: > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Climate Change > > It has even altered the temperature measurements at airports. > Airports used to be away from the town for safety and noise. > Often they were surrounded by agriculture. > Now they are usually surrounded by industry. > A field of green plants is cooler than cement and blacktop. > So the newer measurements have that error. (Global warming anyone?) > > > > -Original Message- > From: Christopher S. Weller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:56 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Climate Change > > > With all this talk about different factors of climate change has there every > been a study on the effects of black tops (i.e. asphalt roads and parking > lots ) on the heat I'm sure all that heat that is put off has to create some > kind of thermal daft over a city if nothing else? > Chris > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/2001 > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Climate Change
Yes, such "heat islands" have been accounted for in the climate change models. > From: "Christopher S. Weller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:56:07 -0400 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] Climate Change > > With all this talk about different factors of climate change has there every > been a study on the effects of black tops (i.e. asphalt roads and parking lots > ) on the heat I'm sure all that heat that is put off has to create some kind > of thermal daft over a city if nothing else? > Chris > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
Certainly worth consideration. Thanks for mentioning . Would need analysis and combustion analysis in a diesel to know. Otherwise, sticking to the WVO is a good idea. > From: "doctor who" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:51:45 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 > > Is trap grease safe to burn in a vehicle engine? WVO is one thing but trap > grease is the worst sludge I've ever seen. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
Pacific mentions their "grease processor" that was designed with help from U Idaho folks, but I don't know any more about it - it would be nice to use the stuff; we have not gotten that far yet. Would like to though. Anybody else using trap grease with success? BTW, saw mention somewhere of use of skimmed wastewater grease in Europe. Ed B. > From: "michael dorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:16:22 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 > > Hi Ed- I haven`t produced any biodiesel but I have done several experiments > boiling off the water and filtering etc. and have produced a clear yellowey > oil that I am sure is of some value- indeed it will burn away an its own > once I get it ignited with a light yellow flame. > Anyway, from a feedstock/cost point of view, trap waste has to be a good > option- as the restaurant pays you to take it away! > With the proper separation the food sludge can be composted, water goes to > drain and the fat,oil,grease (FOG) can be recovered, assuming the water in > oil can be removed at a reasonable cost. > There must be a way of removing this water without high energy(cost) input. > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
Ask them for methyl hydrate. > From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:34:55 +1000 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver > > I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some > methanol locations that would suit me. I hve run a lot of chemical supliers > and get the same answer, "methanol?" > Barryt > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
Michael - you say you collect large amounts of it from traps - are you just starting into making biodiesel from it or have you made some - sorry if I missed this perhaps in an earlier post? Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "michael dorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:48:54 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 > > Joseph Martelle wrote"these filters work because water in oil is an emulsion > and thus easily separated" with marine filters. Is this true? How do you > take the oil out of emulsion, I have heard of de-emulsifying agents > (chemicals) but they are expensive. Are there different types of emulsions - > permanent emulsions, semi emulsions-what is an emulsion anyway? > > I collect large quantities of this type of waste from grease traps. Even the > free floating oil/grease that separates out and is skimmed off carefully > contains 20-30%water. (I refer to this as water in oil as opposed to oil in > water) I find that the longer I let it sit, the more water will drop out > after several weeks) leaving maybe 5-10% water in oil if I`m lucky., maybe > it is my imagination but I think that some of the water may even be > evaporating off when left to settle in an open top drum.I have thought about > dripping the oil in some sort of enclosed environment onto a needle point > (or something) that will shatter the droplet or indeed a mist sprayer and > use an anhydrous powder to soak up any moisture that evaporates off. This > would be cheap and gravity fed-but would it work? > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
Steve - Do you mean you will loop the return, or send the SVO return back to the SVO tank? If you loop it, you can (likely will) get air trapped and get an accumulation and rough idle. If you do not loop it (ie return to the SVO tank), the injection pump will be working even harder than usual, due to the higher viscosity of the veg oil (and especially if you are only using glycol to heat it you are likely not achieving 80C but only 50-60C and so higher viscosity than petrodiesel), and the smallish return ports on the Pollak (if that is the 6-port you are using). See the notes found by Martin on the www.veggiepower.uk site re: vacuum readings. So, returning to the SVO tank is good, but another reason to use a booster pump. Do not use a booster pump in conjunction with a looped return line, as this will pressurize the whole circuit with no relief of the pressure on the return - you'd have a pressurized "short", so to speak. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:10:30 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? > > the proposed solution is to recirc the fuel return line. will find out if > that's it this weekend. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:27 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? > > >> Steve and or Greg, >> >> Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the >> solution or proposed solution? >> >> fred >> >> >> >> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff >> through >>> the filter and injectors.) >>> >>> electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. >>> >>> >>> Steve Spence >>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm >>> >>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >>> we borrow it from our children. >>> -- >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "eric almanzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM >>> Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? >>> >>> this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is vegatable oil?? also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be possible to run a second alternator with the purpose of using all the current to heat with some sort of resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster oven?? or would that require way too much current?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
So far the one we are using is working well, but I have to say it's only been a month or so on the first installation for that pump. Still, it seemed from the outset to be a more robust pump than the others we tried. It is a "pusher" pump, so mount near tank. We can supply the FP-3 pump with a waiver for anyone who wishes to try it, in order to get some more feedback on its use in this application, at a cost of $80 US plus shipping and taxes (or equivalent in Canadian funds). Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:11:19 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? > > the fuel is over 150F. what pump do you recommend. > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? > > >> I had the same problem with early versions of our SVO system. >> >> Idle problems are caused by one of two things: >> >> 1) air in the system >> >> 2) insufficient fuel delivery due to inadequate heating of the SVO. >> >> The VW does not have a separate fuel pump (lift pump) and needs a booster >> pump added to the SVO system to work properly. >> >> We have a pump that has worked well so far, where others (usual brand name >> electric inline fuel pumps) we've tried failed to handle the thicker SVO. >> >> Ed B. >> >> www.biofuels.ca >> >> >> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:27:59 - >>> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? >>> >>> Steve and or Greg, >>> >>> Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the >>> solution or proposed solution? >>> >>> fred >>> >>> >>> >>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff >>> through >>>> the filter and injectors.) >>>> >>>> electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Spence >>>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >>>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm >>>> >>>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >>>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >>>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >>>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >>>> we borrow it from our children. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "eric almanzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM >>>> Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot >>>>> does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to >>>>> combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of >>>>> the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed >>>>> to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is >>>>> vegatable oil?? >>>>> >>>>> also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be >>>>> possible to run a second alternator with the purpose >>>>> of using all the current to heat with some sort of >>>>> resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster >>>>> oven?? or would that require way too much current?? >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>> G
Re: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated??
I had the same problem with early versions of our SVO system. Idle problems are caused by one of two things: 1) air in the system 2) insufficient fuel delivery due to inadequate heating of the SVO. The VW does not have a separate fuel pump (lift pump) and needs a booster pump added to the SVO system to work properly. We have a pump that has worked well so far, where others (usual brand name electric inline fuel pumps) we've tried failed to handle the thicker SVO. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:27:59 - > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Re: svo. how much does it have to be heated?? > > Steve and or Greg, > > Have you solved the issue that you had with the idle? What was the > solution or proposed solution? > > fred > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> above 150F (not so much for combustion, but to get the damn stuff > through >> the filter and injectors.) >> >> electric would cause too much engine load. use engine coolant. >> >> >> Steve Spence >> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm >> >> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >> we borrow it from our children. >> -- >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "eric almanzan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:38 PM >> Subject: [biofuel] svo. how much does it have to be heated?? >> >> >>> >>> this is kind of very interesting to learn. how hot >>> does the vegatable oil have to be kept in order to >>> combust?? relocating the fuel tank to the inside of >>> the car would help to reduce the amount of heat needed >>> to keep the vegatable oil warm. how cheap is >>> vegatable oil?? >>> >>> also, with the fuel tank inside the car, couldnt it be >>> possible to run a second alternator with the purpose >>> of using all the current to heat with some sort of >>> resistor element?? like the type used in a toaster >>> oven?? or would that require way too much current?? >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >>> a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] going to brew first batch of biodiesel, some questions about pans, burners and thermometer
We have info on both and a new video on basic biodiesel making. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: eric almanzan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:01:48 -0700 (PDT) > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] going to brew first batch of biodiesel, some questions > about pans, burners and thermometer > > > I think i am going to use a five gallon tin bucket to > cook the fuel in. will i have a problem if i dont > braze on a faucet to let out the seperated esters, or > the waste(forget what it is called) could i just let > it settle and then siphon out the less dense > biodiesel?? as for a burner how would one of those > camping stoves that runs on liquid fuel work?? where > can i buy a thermometer that will read the 150 or so > degrees that is needed for the chemical reaction to > occur?? > > I appreciate any response that i get to this since i > am a beginner at this stuff, in the mean time ill be > pondering ways to keep a fuel tank heated to run on > straight vegatable oil > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol availability
Darren - we are in Kelowna. We buy in bulk. Where are you? Ed B. www.biofuels.ca > From: Darren Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:42:45 -0700 (PDT) > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [biofuel] methanol availability > > I am in British Columbia. I can not find methanol. > > > --- Greg Yohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Where are you? I thought methal hydrate was methanol >> mixed with Lye (NaOH). >> -Original Message- >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:17 PM >> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [biofuel] methanol availability >> >> >> Where can I get methanol? Is it different than >> methal >> hydrate? >> > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.togle.com > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
www.biofuels.ca ..I just posted a picture of our biodiesel in a jar. That's 1 micron filtered final productyou will see it looks like a nice glass of beer. That's how dark it should be, using used cooking oilnew oil makes it even lighter! Anyway, it should be that clear...maybe you can see the forklift through the jar of the biodiesel? That's your goal. One thing is to let it stand a few weeks in an open top drum (for example, in a well, ventilated, clean outbuilding. It will help to clarify the final product. Good luck, I am sure fellow listees will have additional... Ed B. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. www.biofuels.ca > From: "Martin R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:02:36 -0700 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] > > Hi to all > I'am new to all of this so please excuse all the questions > > I don't know how my bio diesel should look like when it is the finished > product > should it be clear or is cloudy ok ??? the test batch that I have made , > burns in my fire place much the same as super diesel and kerosine and has a > BBQ type smell to it > and why use Isopropyl alcohol in the titration why not just use methanol > instead ?? > when it comes to mixing the methanol and caustic soda (C/S) what is a good > way to mix it so that all the C/S is being mixed completely in with the > methanol mixture > I have put the C/S into a blender until it is in power form but there are > always some granules still in the bottom of the glycerine is this normal > the top layer is a golden honey colour and the lower layer is black but not > a gel at all . With this test batch I drained the top off and added water > to it and shook it for 5 min > and let it sit over night the water turned white from the methanol and the > top layer was still like honey but not clear at all is this normal?? and is > it usable in that state . > do you wash your B/D ??? from all the sites on-line that I have read some > tell you to wash it others don't , some tell you to heat the WVO others > don't , I have made test batches using methanol instead of using Isopropyl > alcohol in the titration and have the two layers form just as well > sorry for all these questions but I don't really want to blow my Land > cruiser up just yet .. > > what do most people use as mixers and what are some easy mixers to make > > > Martin R. (Sydney Aust.) > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Bio wash waste water
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:13:07 + > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Bio wash waste water > > I'm thinking of evaporating off the water (plenty of sun here) Can > anyone tell me what I'll be left with and if it can be used for > anything? > James > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] a question.....
What's an MLIS? :-) Ok, enough of this fun... Ed - > And I'll admit that many of the acronyms I've seen > here are quite mysterious. > > -- > Harmon Seaver, MLIS > CyberShamanix > Work 920-203-9633 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] a question.....
Straight Renewable Oil = SRO Why I use the term: - it is not always vegetable oil. Let's leave the door open for animal fats, algae , etc., and start to move away from the "smells like french fries - groovy, huh?" type news stories. - it IS renewable, and the adoption and use of the term and acronym can help to introduce and reinforce the concept that this fuel, being renewable on an annual basis therefore stands in stark contrast to fossil fuels (including petrodiesel...and most of the natural gas that is produced at this time). Keith used to disagree with me on this term being used and thought it would confuse folks and the media, but I am persistent. It is a term I ease into use, and explain, when talking to reporters, and they do still use "vegetable" most times, but that's ok, the discussion on it gets the idea out there at least. ;-) Have a great day, all! Ed Beggs > From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:41:26 +1000 > To: > Subject: RE: [biofuel] a question. > > Jan, > > I've asked Ed to explain. > > Hanns > > -Original Message- > From: Jan Surowka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 4 June 2001 10:35 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] a question. > > > Hi to all, > > Will anyone explain me please what the acronym SRO stands for ? > > Thanks a lot > > jan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] a question.....
Straight Renewable Oil (It is not all vegetable oil). Ed Beggs > From: "Jan Sur—wka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:34:49 +0200 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] a question. > > Hi to all, > > Will anyone explain me please what the acronym SRO stands for ? > > Thanks a lot > > jan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Carbohydrate Economy
Hanns - A small amount of biodiesel is all that is needed if the engine is operated on SRO (SVO) for the majority of its operating cycle. This makes small scale biodiesel production more practical. Or, just use a small amount of spec petrodiesel to start and purge, and heated oil in an SRO system the rest of time. This avoids the need for processing, methanol, lye, and associated costs and safety, training and storage concerns and is a better model for small scale village operations , especially in island nations or anywhere the materials and equipment needed for proper biodiesel production may be expensive or pose other problems. Ed Beggs www.biofuels.ca SNIP> > From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:53:43 +1000 > To: "Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [biofuel] The Carbohydrate Economy > > Hello Keith, Harry, Steve, Marc, Ken et al, > > I quote this from the following web site:- > QUOTE > The method we use at Mt. Banahaw Tropical Herbs in the Philippines is > fermentation. The coconut milk expressed from the freshly harvested coconuts > is fermented for approximately 48 hours. During this time, the water > separates from the oil. The oil is then slightly heated for a short time to > remove moisture, and filtered. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Ethanol in Brazil - was Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 485
Yes, Dick...no enzymes for you, eh? ;-) ... maybe fire a salvo over to Dan at the Sierra Club instead! (US version, that is... not Canada's Sierra Club, who I am told by the Climate Change Caravan a group Cyclists crossing Canada and using vegoil support bus, have been very supportive of biodiesel!!) Check out: http://www.mta.ca/climatechangecaravan/ Ed B. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels
Thanks Keith - Can't understand why the usual organisations and researchers are not jumping in to say "not good, not biodiesel, not a good SRO (SVO) method". Everybody afraid to tell the Emperor no clothes? Ed B. PS: They'll need our new filter warmer to keep that stuff moving! Pictures soon, 12V, install on most filters... www.biofuels.ca > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:00:02 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels > > Duhh... So THAT's what biodiesel really is! > > Yes, well, all jolly nice, but where are the independent tests that > it doesn't cause coking problems, as with other veggie oils? There's > the paper Hanns provided, but as he said the guy has an interest. > > With people using high blends (?) of apparently unpurified coconut > and palm oil, we can expect more mechanical problems (see previous), > and more manufacturers and insurers to refuse cover for biodiesel, > even real biodiesel, since even Greenpeace is confused about which is > which. > > And anyway, if you have to purify it, why not do the job properly and > transesterify it? Then you can use any old oil you like and dispense > with the expensive dinodiesel altogether, and no problems with > breakdowns. > > > > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11040 > Planet Ark > Thai king promotes home-grown green palm fuels > > THAILAND: June 1, 2001 > > BANGKOK - Portraits of Thailand's king, already adorning almost every > building in the country, could soon be helping to sell cheap, clean > fuel at Thai gasoline stations. > > When King Bhumipol Adulyadej personally patented a palm oil formula > at the beginning of May, many observers speculated a clean fuel craze > could sweep Thailand. > > High oil prices and the lingering effects of an economic crisis were > already persuading many Thais to explore palm oil, coconut oil and > ethanol as cheap alternatives to diesel. > > But the highly revered king's stamp of approval could turn royal palm > oil pumps into reality, green campaigners say. > > "This is definitely a positive move," said Jiragorn Gajaseni, chief > executive director of Greenpeace Thailand. > > "Biodiesel hasn't been promoted by the government or other agencies, > which are focusing on fossil fuels. With the king's interest, we will > see much more emphasis on clean energies." > > Palm oil is extracted from the yellow fruit of the palm tree, which > grows abundantly in countries near the equator such as Malaysia, > Indonesia, Thailand, Colombia and Nigeria. > > The oil is used mostly for cooking and making margarine and cosmetics. > > But the state-run Petroleum Authority of Thailand (PTT), which has > been conducting tests for the king, says palm oil, when mixed with > diesel, can also power vehicles. > > MAKE IT YOURSELF > > According to Sawang Boonyasuwat, executive director of the PTT > Research and Technology Institute, with little regulation over what > people put in their engines, the Thai public can easily copy the > cost-saving formula. > > "Crude palm oil prices are about eight baht (17 cents) at the moment, > while diesel is 15 baht per litre, so this will be widely used > because it's cheap, and people can make the fuel themselves," Sawang > said. > > "But we have to advise the public on the right formula to use." > > Sawang said research found a formula of one part crude palm oil to > nine parts diesel did no harm to engine performance. > > If purified palm oil was used, its share in the mix could be > increased to 30 percent. > > Some researchers say the petroleum industry is underplaying the > benefits of palm oil in order to protect its own fossil fuel > interests. > > "Many people in southern Thailand have been using 60 percent palm oil > mixtures for years in factory engines and vehicles," said Chatchawal > Wat-Aksorn, an independent researcher with links to the king's > alternative fuel projects. > > "People respect the king and if he says something is good, they will > trust it. It's good that he's coming out to promote alternative > fuels, because the petroleum business is trying to protect their own > business." > > Chatchawal said the king's patent would mean the palm oil formula > would "belong to the people" and would help in marketing the fuel. > > LESS AIR POLLUTION FROM PALM OIL > > Greenpeace's Jiragorn said palm oil would cut down hazardous exhaust > emissions, particularly carbon dioxide - one of the causes of global > warming. > > "Tests have shown there's less air pollution from palm oil - almost > no carbon dioxide because combustion is more complete, less carbon > dioxide than fossil fuels, and no sulphur emissions at all," he said. > > By reducing dependency on imported gasoline, palm oil also fits into > the "back to basics" self-sufficiency philosophy Thailand's king put > forward after a currency crisis
Re: [biofuel] eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle
Looks nice. Still waiting for 3-wheel open/closed canopy version with front wheel drive, heater and 4 seats that can be licensed as a cycle and sells for <10k ;-) Ed B. > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:55:08 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle > > From Steve Spence: > > http://www.e-cycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm > eCycle - Hybrid Motorcycle > > Employing state-of-the-art mechanical and electrical design > technology, eCycle is developing a 150mpg motorcycle. The motorcycle > will feature a 125cc advanced 2-stroke CIDI engine and a 10kW > electric motor. The projected weight of the motorcycle is 230lbs, > with a top speed of 80mph and acceleration of 0-60 mph in 6 seconds. > The target retail price is $5,000. > > eCycle plans to introduce the hybrid motorcycle in 2002. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Acrolein (List of Diesel Products of Combustion)
Acrolein was mentioned in an earlier post as well, and I wanted to find a list of diesel products of combustion. Here is one that may be of interest. http://www.osha-slc.gov/SLTC/dieselexhaust/chemical.html Ed B. > From: Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 06:12:46 -0700 (PDT) > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in modern heating oil burner > > Jan, > > I have followed this thread before and if you check > the archives you may find that Biodiesel will replace > fuel oil nicely in standard fuel oil "gun type" > furnaces but Strait Veg Oil (SVO) causes a buildup > (acrolein?) which quickly degrades efficiency. Waste > oil burners apparently work well for SVO but are > expensive. > > As for ethanol...the energy required to produce it > probably make it energy innefficient to use in place > of fuel oil. > > Dana > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Canola
Um...Canola is not GM, and is not rapeseed, and the effects and profiles are not the same as for rapeseed or as for mustard seed. Take a look at: http://www.canola-council.org/ and read the section on "Truth /Myths" about Canola Ed B. > From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:43:06 -0600 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] Canola > > Thought you might find this interesting > Kirk > > > > Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human > Consumption. > > S > U > M > M > A > R > Y > Here is a summary of a few facts regarding Canola Oil: > It is genetically engineered rapeseed. > Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape registered and > recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others) > Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been > meant for human consumption. > It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and > poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly. > It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95) > It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won`t eat it. > Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision, disruption of > the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia, constipation, > increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth weights in > infants and irritability. > Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years before > symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper metabolism > of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, > which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are > labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. Avoid all of them! > According to John Thomas` book, Young Again, 12 years ago in England and > Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who later went blind and > began attacking people. There were no further attacks after the rape seed > was eliminated from their diet. > Source: David Dancu, N.D. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Caveat on Container Plants
Todd - is this the technology or the application? If owned cooperatively by the farmers, the problem you describe would not occur, correct? Ed B. > Subject: [biofuel] Caveat on Container Plants > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos
Tom/Steve and all: On the other hand you do not need to make any, or nearly as much, biodiesel, so processor and supplies and lab equipment and time spent making are reduced or eliminated. I very strongly advocate the use of biodiesel and SVO as a synergistic and complementary system, with biodiesel as the startup and purge fuel. I'll be adding a paper on this to our web site soon, along with the thesis I've just completed on the topic: "Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines As Components of Sustainable System Design". (About a week or so - I will post another message when they are there on our web site) It should not necessarily be an either/or decision. We use both biodiesel and SVO (or "SRO" as I stubbornly insist on calling it, at least until everyone wears me down on that one!) and the combination works very well to get the "best of both worlds". ( Biodiesel in this system approach is a lot like using Virtual PC to run PC software on my Mac - it's "there when I need it".) PS: Tom, don't burn used motor oil as fuel, no way I know of to process it properly, better to get an approved waste oil burner and heat your shop with it or send it back for rerefining into motor oil. Products of combustion in a diesel are not good. Ed B. www.neotericbiofuels.com > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:01:11 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos > > you don't need a conversion kit for biodiesel, but you would for straight > veggie oil (SVO) > > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "tom wiggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:08 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Bio Fuel kits for Diesel autos > > >> I,m confused, why would I need a conversion kit to use Bio Diesel in my >> Vw Jetta? >> >> Also can some one tell me how I may process used motor oil into diesel >> fuel? >> >> Thanks, Tom Wiggins from Kansas. >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> >> >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What's the difference
Friction? ;-) Ed B. > From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:55:01 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] What's the difference > > Also conveniently forgotten is the fact that, when D2 changed to ultra low > sulphur diesel, there was a power loss of 5%. > Wonder why? > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What's the difference
Nice preemptive strike. Kudos. ;-) Ed B. > . > > Mike, > > That is, by and large correct. There is a slight horsepower reduction when > running biodiesel neat. > > Some would jump on this factoid like a cat on a rat, screaming "I told you > so," and other mindless declarations that berate bio-d. > > When they do this, they immediately neglect such minor details as enormously > cleaner air, Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio Bug / UC Davis study is there!
I note that the 70+ page elusive UC DAVIS study is at their site as a pdf!! Nice to finally see it. NBB should have it, too but I don't think they do. Ed B. > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:05:43 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Bio Bug on its way > > Follow the Bio Bug as it travels across the country to the National > Clean Cities Conference at > http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler
I did some of this last year, and ran outside with an old CD again today after your post, Dana. Bent it in curve and placed thermometer in beam. 60F to over 100F in seconds. What would happen if you take a CD, heat it and 'press' it into a dish shape, and then run the copper water pipe through the centre hole, space a bunch of CD's along the length of the pipe so the reflected sun hits short sections of pipe, place them just past each other's shadow point, and then point one end of the pipe at the sun and allow it to thermosiphon? (I am printing this off now, to file in the "try this" file) WEAR THOSE WELDING GOGGLES! ;-) Ed Beggs > From: "Tim Zarbo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:32:30 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler > > WOW WHAT AN IDEA DANA!!! > I'm Off to figger it out!! :) > -TZ > - Original Message - > From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:36 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Solar boiler > > >> Hey, A new and cheap form of mirror is available in >> the form of CDs. They are relatively durable and with >> a little ingenuity can be found for a few cents each >> or less. Best of all by gluing them to one end of a >> stiff wire and then gluing the other end to a flat >> surface...plywood?...they can be individually aimed >> onto a central tube which water is run through. >> Instant, almost, solar boiler. >> >> Of course a Mig welder and some sheet steel make a >> much sturdier unit and a simple solar tracking unit >> increases efficiency. >> >> And it is a good use for that what would otherwise >> often be garbage >> >> Dana Linscott >> >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/2001 > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel
Also see www.delphion.com US, Euro, and WIPO patents on one search. Descriptions and drawings. Ed B. > From: "david e cruse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:06:11 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel > > Hi David R. > > Go to www.uspto.gov and click on patents, > click on number, type in 5,713,965, leave > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin and red worms
CAWKI? > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] From the UK: Volvo/Chalmers/Study Misrepresented
This link explains some of it. The scientist's work was fine, but was not done in an engine, so the emissions results are not the same as from a diesel engine. Volvo provides some funding for projects at the centre where the thesis originated (Chalmers Institute in Sweden). What their reasoning is I do not know, perhaps they are heavily invested in other technology? (natural gas, catalysts as an end-of-pipe solution, smog-eating radiators, etc.). Reuters muddied the waters in the way the results were reported and now it is a classic scare story distilled down in people's minds to "biodiesel 10 times more carcinogenic than diesel", not correct. Or as Og says to Thag: "Biodiesel BAD, diesel GOOD!" (Where is Gary Larsen when we need him?) One (or a few) substances, produced at low temperature combustion, that are indeed carcinogenic, and produced at 10x level as compared to petrodiesel, in a lab test, does not equate to a cancer risk. What OTHER substances, found in petrodieselexhaust, DO pose a known cancer risk? Let's see comparisons on that basis. Risk assessment based on exposure required to produce an effect (cancer) and a determination of the severity of that effect if present would be in order before any cancer risk could be pronounced - for workers standing next to lab ovens or similar devices that were burning RME. Even that determination if it were made would not be applicable to exhaust emissions because of differing combustion characteristics inside a diesel engine. http://www.folkecenter.dk/plant-oil/pressr_rapeseed_18012001.htm The fuel standards exist in Austria, Germany, the USA, other countires likely have their versions as well. Also soon in Canada, I understand. Best, Ed B. > From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:29:44 +1200 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] From the UK: > > Shows what a bit of bad publicity can achieve. If people look back and > remember this group discussed a very adverse report that was put out by some > so called Swedish scientist two or three months ago. Volvo have probably > picked up on this and continued down the same path. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Kewl, very Kewl!!
Not too bad with a cable modem, must be awful without! Looks like a Flash animation. A LOT of work! Give 'em an award. Ed B. > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Appal Energy Co-op > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:40:58 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Kewl, very Kewl!! > > Okay. Kewl. Very Kewl!! > > Someone busted their buttons to produce this. > > But my Rumplestilskeinian beard grew three lengths from start to finish. > > I'll give it 10's if someone can link me with any motorcycle manufacturer > that produces a diesel engine. > > Maybe I'm just blind. Maybe just deluded. Maybe just unaware. > > But I am not familiar with any. > > Almost feeling guilty for chiding such a phenomenal work > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Kewl, very Kewl!!
www.royalenfield.com TAURUS DIESEL - The Royal Enfield workhorse. The bike Economy and enjoyment. Packed into one enormous mass of thundering metal. On wheels. The Royal Enfield diesel is the finest example of adapting diesel drive engines to the motorcycling experience. Technical specifications EngineÊVehicleÊ Type4 stroke, air-cooledElectricals12V ac/dc Displacement325ccWheel base1370mm BoreXstroke78x68mmFuel tank capacity 14.25 lt. 1.25 lt. reserve Max. bhp[EMAIL PROTECTED]Front tyre3.25"x19" Max. torque[EMAIL PROTECTED]Rear tyre3.25"x19" Fuel Consumption70kmpl under normal riding conditions at 40 kmph TransmissionFour-speed gear box Special features - Centrally mounted engine for excellent stability. - Extra strong clutch for efficient power transmission. - 12V ac/dc electrical system with flywheel magneto for trouble free operation and long battery life. - Brighter headlights with higher wattage-50/40 W. - Ergonomically positioned controls and engine cut-off switch on the handle bar. - Fuel efficient -70 kmpl of diesel - lowest running cost for any two wheeler in India. - High performance, direct injection, air cooled diesel engine-high reliability - Easy starting even in cold conditions. > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Appal Energy Co-op > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:40:58 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Kewl, very Kewl!! > > Okay. Kewl. Very Kewl!! > > Someone busted their buttons to produce this. > > But my Rumplestilskeinian beard grew three lengths from start to finish. > > I'll give it 10's if someone can link me with any motorcycle manufacturer > that produces a diesel engine. > > Maybe I'm just blind. Maybe just deluded. Maybe just unaware. > > But I am not familiar with any. > > Almost feeling guilty for chiding such a phenomenal work > > Todd > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel car
Sam - My first project car was an 82 Jetta non-turbo (Biodiesel and SRO) My next and and current is a 77 Mercedes 300d non-turbo (biodiesel) The next one under mechanical resto. right now is another Jetta 84 automatic turbodiesel - tough to find. (Biodiesel and SRO). Not knowing where you are or anything about condition of the SD, but if body is good and seems to run ok I would be checking out the title, liens, compression, glow plugs, transmission, differential etc. VERY CLOSELY before buying - a good SD goes for at least $2000-3000 US or more, usually, even a high-miler, even a private sale - so, what's wrong with it? If it is rusty, it might be rusty around the front spring support - dangerous and very expensive to fix properly and possible impending failure from corrosion of other components. Was the timing chain ever done, or at least checked? What's the service history? Lots of oil changes? City or highway driving? They all make a big difference on whether the Merc is worth owning. An engine failure, transmision failure or rear diff. failure on these cars can all cost more than the car is worth. Very nice cars, but buyer beware. The SD is bigger and heavier model of the series, and strains everything just that much more. I'd say go with the Jetta and take the extra 20 MPG, cheaper parts, and less suspicion of "why so cheap"? I'd also recommend you get a turbo VW, not the non-turbo. Unless you really need or want a "status" sort of car, expensive gee-whiz toys, or need a long-distance highway tourer, go with the VW. The most expensive part to fix and to check out on those is the head gasket (several hundred to fix at a shop). Common failure. Otherwise check compression (easy way is to pull oil filler cap at idle and see how much smoke (blow-by) there is. Battery, compression, glow plugs - all critical if the thing is going to start next winter!! Be warned - diesels, they all start and run nice when they've been warmed up before you get there to view, on a warm spring day. Insist on a cold start and verify it by checking for warmth (lift the hood and see if any heat coming off the engine or upper rad hose) - before it is started up, on your arrival. No problem with biodiesel in a turbo engine. Take your pick on biodiesel or SRO (SVO) - there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Depends on your priorities. Best Ed B. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:16:20 - > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel car > > Hi all, > > If you had a choice and were buying a car in which to do this > biodiesel thing and the choice was: > 1. A 80's model VW Jetta diesel w/5 speed > 2. A 80's model Mercedes 300SD Turbo diesel w/auto > And they were the same price... > > Which one would you go for? > Parts are cheaper for the V-Dubs of course. > Mercs have a tendency to last forever, so I'm told. The one I got my > eye on is a daily driver for $1000. > Has anyone here doing (or heard of doing) biodiesel in a turbo car? > Any drawbacks with that? > What would be better in your opinion, biodiesel or SVO (straight > vegetable oil) > I may be close to trying this stuff out. Thinking about it real hard > anyway! :-) > Sam Dabbs > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: straight veggie oil
:-) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:27:59 -0300 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: straight veggie oil > > what i want is plans for the pipes, i think i'd like to learn another > instrument. > > Biofuels wrote: > >> This takes a while to download, but will be of interest - >> >> "You are cordially invited to view my page on engine conversion to >> vegetable >> oil! >> >> www.goatindustries.fsnet.co.uk " >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > -- > www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the > hidden directories. > moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > lord of the minuet. > nutty artist axtraordinaire. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Heat to 140F or so and let it settle out. The answer is time. Use gravity as the filter. Hint: I placed some in a transluscent plastic container and it reached 150F. Butterfly brand is a kerosene (biodiesel) cookstove. You could use a portion of biodiesel for heating more biodiesel if solar is not possible. Ed B. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:21:57 - > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It's definitely not cheaper to use new over old, as the the old is > usually >> free. centrifuge is not necessary, just heating and filtering. >> startup/shutdown must be done on diesel/biodiesel, then switchover > to oil >> when hot. >> > > Some of the WVO is very dirty and when you are filtering large > volumes, standard oil/fuel filters become impractical. There must be > a better way! Cheap/free becomes more expensive as the filtering > effort/expense goes up. > > Andrew (oz) > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] of farmers, slaves, and veggie oil coke...
Excellent post. Now you also have my attention on the fogger. I'll look at the archives. Thanks Ed B. > From: "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:40:40 -0300 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] of farmers, slaves, and veggie oil coke... > > keith wrote : > >> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: "Poor" midwest farmers > >> By the way, I still reckon this is all about biofuels. When it comes >> to energy efficiency, yield, productivity and just about everything >> else, biofuel crops produced on land-aware farms and on the modern >> version of slave estates or whatever - industrial farms - are two >> different animals. > > not much of an invitation, i guess, but as a farmer (agroafforester > actually), i feel that keith's words empower me to put in my 2 cents, seeing > as how 'no farming = no biodiesel'. > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BD glycerol validation
Where are those bearings found in the fuel system, in the injection pump? > From: "Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:58:15 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD glycerol validation > > The proposed EU standard for biodiesel gives a maximum limit of total > glycerols contained as being 0.25%. (mono 0.8%, di 0.2%, tri 0.2%, free > 0.02% - I didn't do the adding up!) > Reason given as posing a risk to copper bearings. > Test procedure will be NF T60 704. > Anybody got access to this specification? > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
No, air cooled. > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:26:22 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling > > water cooled? > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling > > >> Speaking of that, is a 2500 watt single cyl. Lister genset in good order @ >> $500 Canadian worth buying? Durable, but load and clunky compared to > Yanmar? >> Opinions? >> >>> From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:28:19 -0400 >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling >>> >>> yanmar was a decent selection. >>> >>> Steve Spence >>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm >>> >>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >>> we borrow it from our children. >>> -- >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling >>> >>> >>>> Hi Ed and All, >>>> --- "NBT - E. Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Jerry - >>>>> >>>>> I studied ergonomics a few years back, and the >>>>> textbook was entitled >>>>> "Fitting the Task to the Man". >>>>> >>>>> I think "vehicle-nomics", or "motive-power-nomics" >>>>> (for lack of a better >>>>> term!!)is the answer here, where a very similar >>>>> approach is taken. >>>> A great way to look at it. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I don't want to bother with the many reasons >>>>> why I believe that, all >>>>> things considered, an efficient small diesel is a >>>>> terrific option, people on >>>>> this list are already aware of that - suffice to say >>>>> I have owned an >>>>> electric bike and driven a few EV's (with a view to >>>>> perhaps owning or >>>>> building one someday), and do like them for short >>>>> urban trips where zero >>>>> local emissions are needed. >>>> The best vehicle drive is electric, not even >>>> Detroit argues with that. It's why trains and ships >>>> use them. >>>> I also agree that filtered fryer oil or >>>> biodiesel is a very good way to genorate the >>>> electricity for the EV. >>>> And if the EV has to go a long way a gen run on >>>> them onboard is the best way to go right now. >>>> So last night I bought a 5hp yanmar diesel to >>>> charge my car and house. >>>>> >>>>> However, I've found them to be cost effective or >>>>> practical, so far, >>>>> compared to the cost/emissions profile of the >>>>> small-diesel-on-biodiesel >>>>> option. >>>> Combined they have the best of both worlds and >>>> few of the problems each has seperately. Electric >>>> drive gives good performance and eff and biodiesel >>>> gives range and smaller battery pack/ cost. >>>>> >>>>> I raise the point on batteries from EV's and PV's >>>>> simply because it is not >>>>> considered seriously enough or often enough, IMHO, >>>>> in the rush to send out >>>>> yet another supposedly relatively benign technology >>>>> into
Re: [biofuel] Apology RE:Poor farmer
About which part? > From: "Tim Castleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:47:28 -0700 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] Apology RE:Poor farmer > > Please accept my apology for my earlier post regarding Midwest farmers. I was > wrong. > Tim > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling
Speaking of that, is a 2500 watt single cyl. Lister genset in good order @ $500 Canadian worth buying? Durable, but load and clunky compared to Yanmar? Opinions? > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:28:19 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling > > yanmar was a decent selection. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Battery Recycling > > >> Hi Ed and All, >> --- "NBT - E. Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Jerry - >>> >>> I studied ergonomics a few years back, and the >>> textbook was entitled >>> "Fitting the Task to the Man". >>> >>> I think "vehicle-nomics", or "motive-power-nomics" >>> (for lack of a better >>> term!!)is the answer here, where a very similar >>> approach is taken. >> A great way to look at it. >>> >>> Anyway, I don't want to bother with the many reasons >>> why I believe that, all >>> things considered, an efficient small diesel is a >>> terrific option, people on >>> this list are already aware of that - suffice to say >>> I have owned an >>> electric bike and driven a few EV's (with a view to >>> perhaps owning or >>> building one someday), and do like them for short >>> urban trips where zero >>> local emissions are needed. >> The best vehicle drive is electric, not even >> Detroit argues with that. It's why trains and ships >> use them. >> I also agree that filtered fryer oil or >> biodiesel is a very good way to genorate the >> electricity for the EV. >> And if the EV has to go a long way a gen run on >> them onboard is the best way to go right now. >> So last night I bought a 5hp yanmar diesel to >> charge my car and house. >>> >>> However, I've found them to be cost effective or >>> practical, so far, >>> compared to the cost/emissions profile of the >>> small-diesel-on-biodiesel >>> option. >> Combined they have the best of both worlds and >> few of the problems each has seperately. Electric >> drive gives good performance and eff and biodiesel >> gives range and smaller battery pack/ cost. >>> >>> I raise the point on batteries from EV's and PV's >>> simply because it is not >>> considered seriously enough or often enough, IMHO, >>> in the rush to send out >>> yet another supposedly relatively benign technology >>> into the world on a >>> scale that we have not taken proper account of. >> Don't hold your breath waiting for EV's to >> overtake ICE's for many years. When it does battery >> recycling will be right behind. It's so bad trying to >> buy an EV that you have to build your own or buy >> someone elses now. >> On the EV list we have had countries like Nepal >> contacting us to get battery recycling started. >> Nepal, because of no oil and hugh hydro electric >> and high alt where ICE's don't work well they have >> decided to go electric. >>> >>> There are hundreds of people now on this list, >>> lurking, thinking, planning, >>> and participating. >>> >>> The issue needs some action, so I take advantage of >>> opportunities to do so. >> But you need to put your energy to where the >> problem is and it's not with EV's. It's with ICE's, >> farmers, and all the other lead, lead batt user's. >> Btw as soon as I can afford ni-cads I'll go with >> them as they last 20 plus years. I use some 25 year >> old SAFT ni-cads on my electric bike and they put out >> more than their ratings still. My folding and my >> tilting e-bikes are now powered by solar panels. >>> Biodiesel in gensets and vehicles is advantageous >>> for many applications, but >>> this is not to say that there is any >>> one-size-fits-all solution. >>> >>> Room for all, and combinations thereof, with >>> attention to a systems approach >>> for the details of how best to fit them to specific >>> tasks and circumstances. >> I agree, we will need many energy sources to >> replace fossil fuels. The nice thing about electric is >> all of them can be converted to electricity to run it. >> >> And as a battery dominated hybrid it gets about twice >> the mpg for the same performance as a pure ICE. >> As the fuel sources get tighter that ability to >> run on anything becomes more dear saving large amounts >> by using the cheapest method at the time. Direct >> charging from wind- solarcell- hydro- nuke sources is >> another advantage that ICE's can't do. >> Any electric socket becomes a filling station too. >> Any one source can have hugh price spikes like nat >> gas and heating oil did this winter and gas is abou
Re: [biofuel] PDFs
Good to know. Thanks for the tip. Ed B. > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:56:56 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] PDFs > > Apple's new Mac OS X has a Preview application which will let you > open PDFs and graphics all in one tiny little app, but it's real > power comes in the form of allowing you to save whatever you view as > a PDF. Open a web page, for instance, hit the print button and > instead of actually printing the page, hit Preview. This opens > Preview and in the Preview save menu, you get the option to save as > PDF. This means anything you can print can also be saved as PDF. > Cross-platform, Internet-friendly files available right from your > desktop. No need for Acrobat. > > Well, just thought I'd say so. > > MacKeith > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hemp Seed vs Rape Seed Yields.
Todd - Do you know what part of Canada that was? Thanks Ed B. > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Appal Energy Co-op > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:16:54 -0500 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] Hemp Seed vs Rape Seed Yields. > >> Hemp results in only about 1/3rd the yield per acre as rapeseed ( or > Canola) >> >> This is according to the "FTFTTFT" chart(Josh's book title now > abbreviated >> permanently, in my mind, like Pirsig's "ZMM"). >> Of course you can do other things with the plant...make a fine rope or >> cloth, I mean! > > > Ed, > > Actually, according to a principle in one Canadian hemp farming effort > growing expressly for the US nutritional hemp oil markets, the oil yields > per acre were in the neighborhood of 70 gallons, cold pressed. This left a > 6% residual oil in the meal. > > That makes the meal a high protein meal. With all the nutritive aspects of > the oil, it also makes the meal more beneficial than soy in some ways. > > Problem with hemp is that oil yields may be high, but meal yields are lower > than soy per bushel. > > As with all agriculture, the farmer has to balance the crop chosen for the > desired result. > > Todd Swearingen > Appal Energy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/r_1oCB/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rapeseed study - Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes
FYI... SNIP> Hi Ed, Thanks for writing about that diesel story. I have sent your e-mail to Reuters for their comment. I'll let you know if we get any reply. I'll try and take that story off our Planet Ark web server sometime tomorrow. With best regards, Jon Dee __ Founder & Managing Director Planet Ark Environmental Foundation __ PH : +61 (2) 9956 5500 FAX: +61 (2) 9956 5515 MOB:+61 (414) 971 900 ENDSNIP< > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:12:17 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Rapeseed study - Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes > > I guess this is the article Malcolm was referring to that mentions > the Olssen rapeseed study. Sorry - that took me a bit of time! > Anyway, the NBB promised to produce a rebuttal of Olssen's study, and > said they'd share it, so I've sent this to them asking if they ever > did do a rebuttal. I'll post any response. > > Did you approach Planet Ark, Malcolm? > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=10061 > Planet Ark > Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes > > THAILAND: March 12, 2001 > > SAMUT SONGKRAM - A Thai farmer has found his own solution to global > warming and the stagnation of Thailand's rural economy - his coconuts. > > "Coconut trees can do everything," said Kitti Maneesrikul, a village > primary school teacher and coconut farmer in Samut Songram province, > 75 km (47 miles) south of Bangkok. > > "You have food from the flesh, wood from the trunk, drink from the > juice...and now I've had coconut oil in my car engine for four > months," he said. > > Environmentalists say Kitti's coconuts offer cheap and clean fuel > which could be copied by others to help millions of poor farmers > across Southeast Asia and other tropical regions. > > Coconuts have long provided a staple income for Thai farmers but only > recently has their oil been used for fuel. > > Oil is extracted from the dried flesh of coconuts and used for > frying. After using it for cooking, Kitti filters the oil and adds a > small amount of kerosene - one part per 20 - to give it a little > extra "kick". > > The fuel is suitable for trucks and industrial engines, does more > miles per gallon and is 30 percent cheaper than diesel. > > Kitti and his family use the coconut oil in a pick-up truck and a > lorry, saving about 5,000 baht ($115) a month. > > "I make about 300 litres of fuel each week," he said. "I prefer to > buy used coconut oil from street stall vendors who have used it to > fry donuts, but you can use pure coconut oil. > > "We are buying used oil which otherwise would be thrown away, often > into the river. Secondly, the fuel is much cleaner than diesel." > > GLOBAL WARMING > > Kitti says burning coconut oil does not produce carbon dioxide - one > of the causes of global warming. > > The government, while keen to tap into the potential of Thailand's > yield of more than a billion coconuts a year, says more research must > be done. Recent research in Sweden has questioned the benefits of > some alternative fuels, by suggesting that rapeseed oil, considered > one of the best alternatives to fossil fuels, produces 10 times more > cancer-causing pollutants than diesel. > > "We know people have been using coconut oil, but we want to do more > research before telling people they can use it," said an official at > the National Energy Policy Office. > > "But we do think it could be very useful for agricultural machines > and fishing boats." > > Other alternative fuels used in vehicles include ethanol in Sweden, > Brazil, Australia, Canada and Mexico, and palm oil, which is being > developed as a fuel in Malaysia. > > The environmental group Greenpeace says governments in Southeast Asia > are obstructing the up-take of renewable fuels. > > "At the moment policy is in favour of large scale hydroelectric > projects and fossil fuels, which are only cheap because of the huge > government subsidies. No subsidies are being given to renewables," > Greenpeace's Southeast Asia Campaign Manager Athena Ballesteros told > Reuters. > > "We are facing a climate emergency and it is time to embrace > solutions - a switch away from fossil fuels to clean, renewable > energy," said Greenpeace energy campaigner Penrapee Noparumpa. > > DIESEL UP, COCONUTS DOWN > > With little government regulation over what people put in their > engines, farmers who have been suffering from an economic crisis, > high fuel costs and low commodity prices are turning to coconut oil > because of the bottom line. > > "We firstly decided to experiment with coconut oil in our vehicles > because the price of diesel got so high and the price of coconuts > fell from 10 baht to two," Kitti sai
Re: [biofuel] Rapeseed study - Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes
FYI, the NBB did issue a rebuttal, with words of wisdom from Werner K. It was effective, basically "a fryin pan ain't a diesel". I am sure they will get it to you pronto, Keith. I don't kow if Reuters and the rest issued any retraction, though. Ed B. > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:12:17 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Rapeseed study - Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes > > I guess this is the article Malcolm was referring to that mentions > the Olssen rapeseed study. Sorry - that took me a bit of time! > Anyway, the NBB promised to produce a rebuttal of Olssen's study, and > said they'd share it, so I've sent this to them asking if they ever > did do a rebuttal. I'll post any response. > > Did you approach Planet Ark, Malcolm? > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=10061 > Planet Ark > Thai farmer's coconuts fuel green hopes > > THAILAND: March 12, 2001 > > SAMUT SONGKRAM - A Thai farmer has found his own solution to global > warming and the stagnation of Thailand's rural economy - his coconuts. > > "Coconut trees can do everything," said Kitti Maneesrikul, a village > primary school teacher and coconut farmer in Samut Songram province, > 75 km (47 miles) south of Bangkok. > > "You have food from the flesh, wood from the trunk, drink from the > juice...and now I've had coconut oil in my car engine for four > months," he said. > > Environmentalists say Kitti's coconuts offer cheap and clean fuel > which could be copied by others to help millions of poor farmers > across Southeast Asia and other tropical regions. > > Coconuts have long provided a staple income for Thai farmers but only > recently has their oil been used for fuel. > > Oil is extracted from the dried flesh of coconuts and used for > frying. After using it for cooking, Kitti filters the oil and adds a > small amount of kerosene - one part per 20 - to give it a little > extra "kick". > > The fuel is suitable for trucks and industrial engines, does more > miles per gallon and is 30 percent cheaper than diesel. > > Kitti and his family use the coconut oil in a pick-up truck and a > lorry, saving about 5,000 baht ($115) a month. > > "I make about 300 litres of fuel each week," he said. "I prefer to > buy used coconut oil from street stall vendors who have used it to > fry donuts, but you can use pure coconut oil. > > "We are buying used oil which otherwise would be thrown away, often > into the river. Secondly, the fuel is much cleaner than diesel." > > GLOBAL WARMING > > Kitti says burning coconut oil does not produce carbon dioxide - one > of the causes of global warming. > > The government, while keen to tap into the potential of Thailand's > yield of more than a billion coconuts a year, says more research must > be done. Recent research in Sweden has questioned the benefits of > some alternative fuels, by suggesting that rapeseed oil, considered > one of the best alternatives to fossil fuels, produces 10 times more > cancer-causing pollutants than diesel. > > "We know people have been using coconut oil, but we want to do more > research before telling people they can use it," said an official at > the National Energy Policy Office. > > "But we do think it could be very useful for agricultural machines > and fishing boats." > > Other alternative fuels used in vehicles include ethanol in Sweden, > Brazil, Australia, Canada and Mexico, and palm oil, which is being > developed as a fuel in Malaysia. > > The environmental group Greenpeace says governments in Southeast Asia > are obstructing the up-take of renewable fuels. > > "At the moment policy is in favour of large scale hydroelectric > projects and fossil fuels, which are only cheap because of the huge > government subsidies. No subsidies are being given to renewables," > Greenpeace's Southeast Asia Campaign Manager Athena Ballesteros told > Reuters. > > "We are facing a climate emergency and it is time to embrace > solutions - a switch away from fossil fuels to clean, renewable > energy," said Greenpeace energy campaigner Penrapee Noparumpa. > > DIESEL UP, COCONUTS DOWN > > With little government regulation over what people put in their > engines, farmers who have been suffering from an economic crisis, > high fuel costs and low commodity prices are turning to coconut oil > because of the bottom line. > > "We firstly decided to experiment with coconut oil in our vehicles > because the price of diesel got so high and the price of coconuts > fell from 10 baht to two," Kitti said. Kitti has had some success in > spreading the use of his alternative fuel. His brother, Tanate, and > several friends use it in engines on their shrimp farms, and the > brothers are teaching others how to make it. > > "Two or three people come to us each day,
Re: [biofuel] Re: rabid writers, and the first ammendment...
"The cure for all the ills and wrongs, the cares, the sorrows, and the crimes of humanity, all lie in the one word 'love'.It is the divine vitality that everywhere produces and restores life. (Lydia Maria Child) In contrast, we have the last words of Ram—n Maria Narv‡ez (1800-68), Spanish general and political leader when asked by a priest if he forgave his enemies 'I do not have to forgive my enemies. I had them all shot'" (Quote of the day for today, from an Irish web site; presented here, with humour, for thought.) > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/HomePages/JeromeOne/ Ed B. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] rabid writers, and the first ammendment...
Well, the first amendment is not a universal piece of legislation, but anyway, I sort of agree with you, that exclusion does seem contrary to the spirit of the internet as well as contrary to certain other principles. Personally, although I found his approach and early responses to some of my posts to be, um, interesting, to say the least, I decided to engage in another form of exclusion... "shunning". I decided to (mostly) only respond to the tolerable posts and requests, and ignore the rude ones. It works with my kids. Best, Ed B. > From: "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:14:30 -0300 > To: > Subject: [biofuel] rabid writers, and the first ammendment... > > personally i find exclusion a tad extreme. in a sense, it might even put us > in the same boat as the other person. > > can't we just ignore a person's views, when they don't agree with ours ? > answering in the same vein just feeds the coals, and exclusion keeps all of > us in the dark regarding a conflicting viewpoint that may well have > redeemable aspects within its aggressive context. > > i disagree with troy, but would like to ask keith to allow his aggressive, > and at times impolite, comments. who knows, we might even turn him around, > and then we would have all that energy going in the right direction !!! > > let there be peace , what say guys ? and that includes you too, > troy !! dick. > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] emissions for WVO
Here are some links that might help: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://www.webconx.com http://www.biodiesel.org (see fuelfacts page, emmissions section and their searchable database) http://www.biodiesel.at (see reports section via link at bottom right of page I think) http://www.soybean.on.ca/ (see research section, then biodiesel research) http://www.biocar.de (I am still trying to translate the thesis provided from German to English...has anyone done this?) Ed B. > From: Jason Dionne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:31:43 -0400 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] emissions for WVO > > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone had links or information about exact emissions > from burning biodiesel and from burning straight vegetable oil. What comes > out of that exhaust pipe? (concentrations, compounds...?) > > Thanks, > Jason > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Frantz..found it, Way to long!!!!
Good point. Ed Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Frantz..found it
. >> Could >>> not see why these things were not widespread and why hardly anyone knew >>> about them until I realized the oil companies who want to sell more oil, >> the >>> engine and vehicle manufacturers who want to sell more engines, vehicles, >>> and spare parts, and everyone else with vested interests certainly dont > go >>> out of their way to inform the public and even to some degree have run >>> propoganda campaigns in the past to convince the informed public they > dont >>> work. >>> See your a Canadian rather than an American. Again best of luck with > your >>> efforts. >>> B.r., David >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: NBT - E. Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Frantz..found it >>> >>> >>>> David - >>>> >>>> Never mind, found them... >>>> >>>> http://www.wefilterit.com/frantz.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> looks like mine is the old aircraft one, and looks like it'll accept >>> the >>>> inexpensive 'TP' Filter Cartridge just fine. (2-ply, of course!) >>>> >>>> Ed B. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:31 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ed, >>>>> Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must >>>> admit >>>>> that when it comes to trucks you americans had it right in a time of >>>> plenty >>>>> as regards fuel with your philosphy that "cubes is power" as there is >> no >>>>> such thing as free or even cheap motoring and this is the only way an >>>> engine >>>>> will last when it is not overworked or overstressed. Will be >> interesting >>>> to >>>>> see what happens over the next fifty years or so though. I get the >>> feeling >>>>> that future generations will look back in absolute horror at the >> absolute >>>>> waste, greed and selfishness of the present and immediate past >>>> generations. >>>>> Undoubtedly you americans unfortunately will be up there at the top of >>> the >>>>> list. As they say ignorance is bliss. Thank goodness as the known >>> reserves >>>>> of oil have more or less peaked an awareness is occuring. >>>>> Suggest if you want to remove metal particles and other contaminants >> from >>>>> used engine oil that you set up a filtering system using a Frantz type >>>>> by-pass oil filter to remove and filter them out and to circulate your >>> oil >>>> a >>>>> few times. This type of filter can and will remove particles down to 1 >>>>> micron (absolute not nominal) and submicron levels (down as low as >>>>> 0.1micron). Something no spin-on Factory Full Flow Filter can do. Best >>>> these >>>>> will get down to is normally 10 micron (nominal not absolute). Very > few >>> of >>>>> these even get below 20-25 micron with a majority remaining in the 30 >>>> micron >>>>> plus level. In my opinion a by-pass filter should be mandatory by law >> for >>>>> every vehicle on the road. Believe the oil companies and vehicle >>>>> manufacturers have a lot to answer for. >>>>> Also believe Steve does not have it quite right when he says at the >>> bottom >>>>> of his pages that: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we >>>>> borrow it from our children". Tricky lanquage this english language. >>>> Believe >>>>> he has the tense wrong and it should read: "We did not inherit the >> earth >>>>> from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Still I have >> nothing >>>>> against optimists as I like to see myself as one, but believe self >>>>> improvement is only possible when we face the truth, admit it to >>>> ourselves, >>>>> and then go on to make the necessary adjustments for improvements to >>>> occur. >>&g
Re: [biofuel] Frantz..found it
oil companies who want to sell more oil, >> the >>> engine and vehicle manufacturers who want to sell more engines, vehicles, >>> and spare parts, and everyone else with vested interests certainly dont > go >>> out of their way to inform the public and even to some degree have run >>> propoganda campaigns in the past to convince the informed public they > dont >>> work. >>> See your a Canadian rather than an American. Again best of luck with > your >>> efforts. >>> B.r., David >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: NBT - E. Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Frantz..found it >>> >>> >>>> David - >>>> >>>> Never mind, found them... >>>> >>>> http://www.wefilterit.com/frantz.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> looks like mine is the old aircraft one, and looks like it'll accept >>> the >>>> inexpensive 'TP' Filter Cartridge just fine. (2-ply, of course!) >>>> >>>> Ed B. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: >>>> Cc: "DAVID REID" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:31 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ed, >>>>> Very good engines but still a bit on the hungry side. Still must >>>> admit >>>>> that when it comes to trucks you americans had it right in a time of >>>> plenty >>>>> as regards fuel with your philosphy that "cubes is power" as there is >> no >>>>> such thing as free or even cheap motoring and this is the only way an >>>> engine >>>>> will last when it is not overworked or overstressed. Will be >> interesting >>>> to >>>>> see what happens over the next fifty years or so though. I get the >>> feeling >>>>> that future generations will look back in absolute horror at the >> absolute >>>>> waste, greed and selfishness of the present and immediate past >>>> generations. >>>>> Undoubtedly you americans unfortunately will be up there at the top of >>> the >>>>> list. As they say ignorance is bliss. Thank goodness as the known >>> reserves >>>>> of oil have more or less peaked an awareness is occuring. >>>>> Suggest if you want to remove metal particles and other contaminants >> from >>>>> used engine oil that you set up a filtering system using a Frantz type >>>>> by-pass oil filter to remove and filter them out and to circulate your >>> oil >>>> a >>>>> few times. This type of filter can and will remove particles down to 1 >>>>> micron (absolute not nominal) and submicron levels (down as low as >>>>> 0.1micron). Something no spin-on Factory Full Flow Filter can do. Best >>>> these >>>>> will get down to is normally 10 micron (nominal not absolute). Very > few >>> of >>>>> these even get below 20-25 micron with a majority remaining in the 30 >>>> micron >>>>> plus level. In my opinion a by-pass filter should be mandatory by law >> for >>>>> every vehicle on the road. Believe the oil companies and vehicle >>>>> manufacturers have a lot to answer for. >>>>> Also believe Steve does not have it quite right when he says at the >>> bottom >>>>> of his pages that: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we >>>>> borrow it from our children". Tricky lanquage this english language. >>>> Believe >>>>> he has the tense wrong and it should read: "We did not inherit the >> earth >>>>> from our ancestors, we stole it from our children". Still I have >> nothing >>>>> against optimists as I like to see myself as one, but believe self >>>>> improvement is only possible when we face the truth, admit it to >>>> ourselves, >>>>> and then go on to make the necessary adjustments for improvements to >>>> occur. >>>>> Honesty is only possible when we start with ourselves first. >>>>> Best of luck with your efforts. >>>>> B
Re: [biofuel] First Batch
VW engines with shavings in them would be mostly from the abuse and neglect heaped upon them by their owners who don't know where the hood latch and drain plug is (and block heater, and air filter, and water separator, and...) ...wait a minute, that's more true of Volvo owners...well, at least that solves the mystery of why the VW diesel never lasted very long in a Volvo! The VW wears at 10 times the rate of the Cummins, so if a VW engine lasts 500,000 kms, Ed's probably going to be driving that Dodge a long time even with a few microscopic bits of stuff in a small amount of oil (as a percentage) of fuel. BTW, what are we going to do with all those 100-year Cummins engines after the rest of the 10-year Dodge wears out? ;-) Ed > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:14:01 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > VW engines ;-) > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > >> Of course I had to filter the used oil extremely well and also let it > settle >> for considerable time! What kind of engine would have metal shavings in > the >> oil? Remind me so I'll never get one of them! Definitely there is iron in > it >> from normal wear and silicon from the dirt that sneaks in< these have to > be >> removed! But it does add lubricidy to the oil! >> Ed Service >> - Original Message - >> From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch >> >> >>> depends on his filtration system, but I wouldn't do it personally. >>> >>> >>> Steve Spence >>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm >>> >>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com >>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm >>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax >>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, >>> we borrow it from our children. >>> -- >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:03 AM >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch >>> >>> > From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually > Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil >> Delvac > oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old > oil >>> I'd > removed from the engine into the fuel Isn't that a bad idea? I thought old oil was filled with particles (including metal shavings)? Troy _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel
Please go to www.biodiesel.org, www.biodiesel.at or some of the other sites like Steve's and Keith's and Josh's (among many others)... they have all provided lots of good reasons to support the idea that biodiesel has much more to offer than price support for American (or other...they do exist) farmers... ...which is not such a bad thing either, if they can alter some of their farming practices and experiment more if given more revenue from higher crop prices to experiment with. If prices were supported by new market like biodiesel, farmers would not be under as much pressure to squeeze every last bushel from their land chasing overproduction/low commodity prices all the time. They might be able to afford to lower output per acre and still have the same revenue...and move away from as much reliance on herbicide, chemical fertilizer, monocroppping, overtillage, etc. Ed > From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 10:04:39 -0500 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel > > Perhaps you could elaborate? :) > > >> From: Ed Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> No. >> >>> From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> With the new 5ppm sulfur diesel regulation coming, it appears that the >> only >>> advantage of bio-diesel over dino-diesel is that it supports American >>> farmers. >>> >>> True? >>> >>> Troy. > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study
Troy - Will it include the connections to the house? Is it a true (local emissions) urban ZEV? Is it technically complex? Does it carry a diesel engine around all the time for no good reason since the majority of car trips are quite short? A short-range EV is a fairly simple, reliable, local emissions ZEV. It does not carry the excess weight of batteries designed to give it more range than is needed. It does not carry the weight of a diesel and associated equipment around all the time. An SRO / biodiesel APU to convert an EV into a longer range series hybrid, with the possibility of use for the household in some cases, is not such a bad idea, IMHO. I might be more interested in a simpler and less expensive Lupo type idea if buying new from VW. Then there is VW's pricing on new vehicles, before we look at d-e hybrids...$$$!! ;-) Ed > From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 09:37:12 -0500 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study > > > > >> From: Ed Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> the short trips, and an SRO or biodiesel fueled APU to charge the EV >> nightly, hook onto the EV to make it a series hybrid for longer trips, and >> use the APU to provide hot water heat, domestic hot water, and electricity >> to your home the rest of the time (using quick-disconnect fittings to the >> house...don't forget to unplug it all and switch to house grid/battery bank >> and backup heat source when you pull out of the driveway for a winter >> vacation!). > > > OR. you could just buy the diesel-electric hybrid from Volkswagon (2004 > model year). > > :) > > Troy > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel
No. > From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 09:26:37 -0500 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel > > > > >> From: Ed Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Yes they are available, but cost would come down with more of them being >> built and used, more retrofit market would develop, and biodiesel can play >> a >> role in that, as well as the new lower sulphur diesel that is being >> mandated >> for North America, to allow the use of those devices over the coming years. > > > > With the new 5ppm sulfur diesel regulation coming, it appears that the only > advantage of bio-diesel over dino-diesel is that it supports American > farmers. > > True? > > Troy. > > > > > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re. FAQ
Steve - We all want a Firewire or USB connection that uploads it all into a pair of electrodes and directly into our brains...can you and Keith have that facility added to your websites and send the hardware over on Fedex, I need it for Tuesday. Hope it's not too much trouble. Thanks! ;-) Ed > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:12:16 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re. FAQ > > What Keith was saying is that webconx and journeytoforever are gigantic > FAQ's. There doesn't seem to be a need for another. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Cahill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 5:30 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re. FAQ > > >> Okay the FAQ appears a dead issue, I understand the enormity of >> it Keith. But I do believe that somewhere, sometime, someone >> must collate the FACTS and make them available or there will not >> be the progress we all desire. Instead newcomers are going to be >> reviewing information that is a. Factual (and how would they know) >> and b. Total BS (and how would they know) >> I read somewhere that an individual dumps his incoming info into >> some kind of database, then can search and review/edit it at >> leisure. >> Could anyone explain the mechanics of this procedure? >> Regards, >> Tony Cahill >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study
I am sure somebody will notice Troy included pure electric in his list and will wonder why I included it for fueling on SRO or biodiesel...here's an answer...you have to charge it somehow, so use a genset on SRO or biodiesel. If you have the location to allow it, you could have an EV for the short trips, and an SRO or biodiesel fueled APU to charge the EV nightly, hook onto the EV to make it a series hybrid for longer trips, and use the APU to provide hot water heat, domestic hot water, and electricity to your home the rest of the time (using quick-disconnect fittings to the house...don't forget to unplug it all and switch to house grid/battery bank and backup heat source when you pull out of the driveway for a winter vacation!). ;-) Ed > From: Ed Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 05:45:29 -0800 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study > > Bingo!...And fuel it with biodiesel, which NREL life cycle analysis > determined to be better than petrodiesel in this regard...or SRO , which is > cheaper than biodiesel, convenient in tis own way (no chemical conversion of > fuel every time out), and does not require the methanol (energy to > produce/usually fossil fuel based) or sodium hydroxide. > > Take your pick of SRO or biodiesel, put it into the vehicle(s) you > described, and it is a terrific combinationalong with FIRST examining > what it is the vehicle or engine is being used for and seeing if we can > reduce the use of it in the first place. > > Cheers, > > Ed > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:36:18 - >> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study >> >> >> "Use of ethanol, methanol, CNG (natural gas), FRFG2, or CARFG2 in >> conventional SI engines causes INCREASES in total energy use. The >> increases associated with M85 and E85 are above 15% and 20%, >> respectively. The increases are caused primarily by the signifigant >> amount of energy consumed during ethanol and methanol production. The >> increase associated with CNG are caused by CNGV fuel economy >> penalties. >> >> "Use of EVs, HEVs, or CIDI engines fueled with *diesel* results in >> DECREASED fuel-cycle total energy use. The decreases are caused >> mainly by the high energy efficiencies of these vehicle technologies." >> >> >> >> In other words, if you care for the planet and want to reduce >> consumption of fossil fuels, dump your gas car and move to a pure >> electric, a diesel, or a diesel-electric hybrid. >> >> Troy >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study
Bingo!...And fuel it with biodiesel, which NREL life cycle analysis determined to be better than petrodiesel in this regard...or SRO , which is cheaper than biodiesel, convenient in tis own way (no chemical conversion of fuel every time out), and does not require the methanol (energy to produce/usually fossil fuel based) or sodium hydroxide. Take your pick of SRO or biodiesel, put it into the vehicle(s) you described, and it is a terrific combinationalong with FIRST examining what it is the vehicle or engine is being used for and seeing if we can reduce the use of it in the first place. Cheers, Ed > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:36:18 - > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] honda-insight] EPA Alt. Fuel Study > > > "Use of ethanol, methanol, CNG (natural gas), FRFG2, or CARFG2 in > conventional SI engines causes INCREASES in total energy use. The > increases associated with M85 and E85 are above 15% and 20%, > respectively. The increases are caused primarily by the signifigant > amount of energy consumed during ethanol and methanol production. The > increase associated with CNG are caused by CNGV fuel economy > penalties. > > "Use of EVs, HEVs, or CIDI engines fueled with *diesel* results in > DECREASED fuel-cycle total energy use. The decreases are caused > mainly by the high energy efficiencies of these vehicle technologies." > > > > In other words, if you care for the planet and want to reduce > consumption of fossil fuels, dump your gas car and move to a pure > electric, a diesel, or a diesel-electric hybrid. > > Troy > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel
Yes they are available, but cost would come down with more of them being built and used, more retrofit market would develop, and biodiesel can play a role in that, as well as the new lower sulphur diesel that is being mandated for North America, to allow the use of those devices over the coming years. RE: PM traps, consider that if you use SRO or biodiesel and PM is reduced 50% or so by use of that fuel, you could extend the maintenance interval on the PM trap (currently their achilles heel) and at the same time reduce PM by ANOTHER (?) %, making the PM emissions (the biggest problem in diesel emissions) very low indeed...perhaps on a par with diesel engine conversion to natural gas. Ed > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 11:22:47 - > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with green fuel > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "NBT - E. Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It's a great fuel on its own - and also a great technology enabler > for the >> use of catalytic converters to take care of NOx (no sulphur=no > catalyst >> poisoning) and particulate traps (less PM, so longer between > servicing) both >> added to further reduce emissions - if they can be afforded. > > > In Europe, Volkswagon already makes NOx and PM reduced vehicles. The > only reason these VW diesels can't be sold here is because U.S. fuel > has high sulfur content. > > So, the technology IS available... just not here. > > Troy > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Warming Fossil Diesel
Of course, if you live in someplace like Edmonton, plugs are standard issue for all apartments and workplaces! Wal-Mart..might have known. In 45 Gal drums or just smaller? Ed > From: "Aidan Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:48:02 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Warming Fossil Diesel > > Ed. > > Thank you for the tip with plugging in the vehicle. As soon as I am out of an > apartment and can plug in my vehicle in the winter it will be the first thing > I do. As well my parents always plugged in the vehicle at home, but were > unable to plug them in at work and when shopping etc.. these were the times > when it was necessary to turn on the glow plugs a couple of times. > > Also I found methyl hydrate at Wal-Mart.. even cheaper than at TSC. :) > > Aidan > > - Original Message - > From: NBT - E. Beggs > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Warming Fossil Diesel > > > Aidan > > It's ok to heat it. In fact, a Japanese (Hokkaido U. / Komatsu company) > study I saw found that 90C was the optimum temp for petrodiesel combustion > for lowest specific energy consumption and visible smoke emissions. You will > be unlikely to reach fuel temp of more than 60-80C heating it with the > engine coolant. > > coolant operated and electric diesel fuel heaters are readily available > from a number of manufacturers and retailers. Electrically heated filter > bowls are commonly used > > BTW, as a fellow shivering Canadian I find it appaling that people would > not use a block heater/engine heater/oil pan heater of some sort and rely on > glow plugs, if they have a choice. Most of the emissions in a typical > commuter driving cycle are generated by cold starts and cold engines. > > Besides, why would we want to stress glow plugs by using 2-3 times, send > thick cold lube oil through the engine (think of the wear in those first few > minutes!)...and be longer than necessary getting interior heat! > > > > As the commercial says "plug it in, plug it in!" > > PS thanks for tip on TSC stores...out here in the West I guess we should > check out the "Co-Op", I think TSC is only in the east. > > :-) > > Ed > > > - Original Message - > From: "Aidan Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:28 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Warming Fossil Diesel > > >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick question. While I was buying supplies today for making > my first batch of Biodiesel I mentioned to the gentleman helping me what I > was buying the supplies for. His comment was that if you heat fossil diesel > your fuel mileage will increase. Is this true? If so would it be possible > to pre-heat the fossil diesel with the engine coolant, or is the engine > coolant too hot to heat the fossil diesel safely? >> >> If you were to heat the fossil diesel where in the fuel system would be > the best place (before or after fuel filter, close to fuel pump, other?) >> >> I look forward to your replies. >> >> Also thank you for the help with the methyl hydrate. I have located and > purchased the methanol. Also as a note in Canada if you buy methyl hydrate > (TSC stores) it is cheaper than methanol from a chemical company. :) >> >> Thank you >> >> Aidan >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Click for Details > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Seattle experiments with green fuel
Keith: Busy, yes..I mentioned it to indicate my state of mind by late last night, and inability to provide paragraphs of critique - to explain a terse response on my part. Also explains my error on the last one, you are right it does say a reduction in PM and reduction in NOx both. Sorry about that! The information is however, the best of the bunch, from a biodiesel supplier, and is the best case that they had. Not typical. No, it is you who has missed the point that I was originally making.I read the information on your site. Nothing wrong with it and nothing wrong with the work that of the researchers you cite. I do not take issue with what any of them are saying. I also read the original article about Seattle, which is what I was talking about. The whole point of the discussion I initiated is that the Seattle article gives the distinct impression that switching to biodiesel will have a useful effect on NOx emissions, and I was simply saying that it will not have that effect unless catalytic converters are also added. Biodiesel is a great fuel to allow that, but it won't achieve it on its own. That's ALL I was saying, guys, if you look back at my original message and re-read the Seattle article. This "young buck" certainly agrees with Terry's message, but I say again that the Seattle article gives the wrong impression about biodiesel being a way to achieve NOx reduction for diesel engine emissions - unless the sulphur free benefit of biodiesel is used to enable some additional NOx reduction via catalytic converters. Best, Ed > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:03:49 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Seattle experiments with green fuel > > Ed Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, Keith it is late and I have been writing/editing all day and not much >> to add to before, but here goes, based on the studies you have provided... > > Hi Ed > > We're all busy, but it seems to me you've missed the point, and > didn't bother to read these rather short extracts properly. > > Re missing the point: > >> So where's the big reason to use biodiesel to significantly reduce NOx? #5 >> is the only one I see, sorry. > > I don't think anybody uses biodiesel to achieve significant > reductions in NOx. They use biodiesel for two reasons, one, because > it's renewable and carbon-neutral, and two, for *overall* pollution > decreases. These are some of the main pollution benefits of using > pure biodiesel: > > - Sulphur emissions are eliminated. > - Substantial reductions of unburned hydrocarbons (-93%), carbon > monoxide (-50%), and particulate matter (-30%). > - Substantial reductions of cancer-causing PAH (-80%) and nitrited > PAH compounds (-90%) (an EPA study at the University of California at > Davis put the cancer risks of using pure biodiesel at 93.6% lower > than with petro-diesel). > - The overall ozone (smog) forming potential of biodiesel is less > than diesel fuel. > > Naysayers (see, eg, Hong Kong) often throw up a smoke-screen by > saying NOx isn't reduced, or is increased, to which the NBB responds: > "Biodiesel NOx emissions can be efficiently eliminated as a concern." > > So the rational aim is not to achieve substantial reductions of NOx > as against petro-diesel NOx emissions, but to eliminate it as a > concern, which can be achieved with timing adjustments, without > resource to expensive catalytic converters. Otherwise, if you insist > on *substantial* NOx reductions, you'll deny the other (more > important) benefits to those who don't want to or can't foot the bill > for the converters, and you nullify another of biodiesel's big > advantages, that no engine mods are required. > >> Study #1. Timing adjustment brings to below petrodiesel - how much below - >> significant? Enough to say it will result in a significant reduction in air >> pollution from diesels? > > Biodiesel already does that - it is enough that NOx is baseline or below. > >> Study #2 Reductions in NOx (only 10%) and an increase in PM. Not too >> compelling a reason to switch to biodiesel. > > It's not offered as a "reason", but to address a baseless concern. > >> Study #3 Again, timing to bring to baseline or a little below. Yawn. > > No, not "yawn", that's all that's required to make it a significant > improvement. > >> Study #4 More baseline stuff, or a little below. Big deal. > > Yes. > >> Study #5 ENABLING TECHNOLOGY. Now there's something that might be useful. > > No, expensive and not essential, thoug
Re: [biofuel] Seattle experiments with green fuel
Well, Keith it is late and I have been writing/editing all day and not much to add to before, but here goes, based on the studies you have provided... Study #1. Timing adjustment brings to below petrodiesel - how much below - significant? Enough to say it will result in a significant reduction in air pollution from diesels? Study #2 Reductions in NOx (only 10%) and an increase in PM. Not too compelling a reason to switch to biodiesel. Study #3 Again, timing to bring to baseline or a little below. Yawn. Study #4 More baseline stuff, or a little below. Big deal. Study #5 ENABLING TECHNOLOGY. Now there's something that might be useful. Study #6. Baseline or a little below. So where's the big reason to use biodiesel to significantly reduce NOx? #5 is the only one I see, sorry. G'night! Ed > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:19:11 +0900 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Seattle experiments with green fuel > > Hi Ed > >> Yes, but they seem to indicate in the article that biodiesel will solve >> their NOx worries - and it won't - changing timing only gets it back to >> baseline or a little below (still unacceptable levels). Your example #5 on >> th link you provided (biodiesel as a technology enabler) is probably closest >> to being correct. > > Sorry, you mean all six examples are wrong, but #5 is less wrong than > the others? I doubt that people like Charles Peterson at Idaho and > Leon Schumacher of Missouri have got it wrong. If that is what you > mean, I'd appreciate a more detailed critique than this. Here's the > link again: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_nox.html > >> We cannot ignore that biodiesel does little in regard to NOx, sometimes >> increases those emissions, and that NOx is a precursor to the formation of >> smog and ground level ozone. > > That seems to fly in the face of a lot of work that says considerable > reductions in NOx can be achieved with biodiesel without using > catalytic converters. > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > >> It has to be dealt with - stories that imply that biodiesel will help in >> this regard are erroneous, based on what I have read, and my own study >> results. If people, cities, other organizations believe biodiesel will >> reduce NOx to a large extent, they will be disappointed and it could result >> in later rejection of the fuel - and all its other tangible benefits. >> That's my concern on this ENN story. >> >> It's a great fuel on its own - and also a great technology enabler for the >> use of catalytic converters to take care of NOx (no sulphur=no catalyst >> poisoning) and particulate traps (less PM, so longer between servicing) both >> added to further reduce emissions - if they can be afforded. If not, at >> least go ahead and burn biodiesel - better in every other respect than >> petrodiesel, just don't expect a NOx benefit. >> >> Best, >> >> Ed >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Seattle experiments with green fuel >> >> >>> Hi Ed >>> Does not explain how they will attack the NOx, but I guess somebody will figure out they will need to add the catalytic converters as well as >> switch to biodiesel, if they bother to check the emissions results after the switch... Ed >>> >>> You don't really need catalytic converters to get the NOx below >>> dinodiesel levels, and without sacrificing PM reductions. There are >>> some interesting results here: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_nox.html >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Keith Addison > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] refined vs. unrefined rape-oil
Yes. "Crude, degummed oil" is what is sold by the tonne. That's from the "crusher" plant. I imagine it is filteres to soem extent but maye not to the level needed for fuel. There is also the "heated" seed market - seed that is not fit for high quality oil but would make good oil for fuel use. Rapeseed oil is not nearly as good for human consumption as canola oil. And of course there is the used oil from the fryers which normally goes for the livestock feed and cosmetics markets. Ed > From: "Raymond (IAE)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:33:17 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] refined vs. unrefined rape-oil > > Thanks Ed, > > After reading it, it almost seems a shame to burn this perfectly good > nutrient in a car. But well, I intend to burn the crude oil. > If I understand correctly the refining process is mainly for producing an > oil that is suitable for human consumption (it doesn't have a strange taste > anymore, the oil is very transparant, even in the fridge, etc.). If this is > so, then the crude, or unrefined, vegetable oil should burn just as well in > a diesel as the refined oil. > Am I correct? > > Raymond. > > > -Original Message- > From: NBT - E. Beggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 22:28 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] refined vs. unrefined rape-oil > > >> This is for canola (which was derived from rapeseed via traditional plant >> breeding), but the processing/refining steps would likely be about the > same: >> >> http://www.canola-council.org/ >> >> Then go to "council publications", then go to: "Canola seed and Oil >> Processing" by Ted Mag >> >> A very good overview. >> >> >> Ed >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Raymond (IAE)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:27 PM >> Subject: [biofuel] refined vs. unrefined rape-oil >> >> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> can anybody tell me the difference between refined rape-oil and unrefined >>> rape-oil (or sunflower-oil, which is probably almost the same)? My diesel >>> runs fine on the refined type you can buy in the shops. Will it run on >> the, >>> much cheaper, unrefined version? Does 'unrefined' mean 'unfiltered'? May >> it >>> harm the engine? >>> Any help is greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Raymond. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race
Not sure if I have the right magazine. do you remember? Anyway, you were not alone in your interest, I remember asking about a 3cyl engine at the Kubota booth at a trade show. The rep wanted to know why I was interested..he said they had hundreds of inquiries about their engine after that article appeared! Ed > From: "IAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:47:46 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel]Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race > > i remeber that i even bought the plans > dont remeber where they are now...lol > ----- Original Message - > From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race > > >> 10-15 years ago there was an article in Popular Mechanics about putting > the >> Kubota 3cyl into the Spitfire. Claimed over 100 mpg without any other >> modifications. >> >> Ed >> >>> From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:29:10 -0800 (PST) >>> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel]Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race >>> >>> Hi All, >>> While I am building my 3 wh composite EV that >>> weighs only 600 lbs before batteries it accured to me >>> that on biodiesel it would get over 100 mpg with a 17 >>> hp Kabota 3 cyl diesel. An exellent tractor, industral >>> motor. >>> By replacing the batts with equal weight biodiesel >>> , 60 gal, the range would take you accross the US and >>> back, over 6,000 miles on 1 tank? Now that's cheap, >>> eff, eco transport. >>> Top speed would be about 80 mph on level ground. >>> The beauty of light weight and good aero. >>> Since biodiesel is carbon neutral it gains extra >>> points making it a contender in this race. >>> Driving carefully in top gear between 35 and 45 >>> mph you could get over 130 mpg. >>> Robert Q Riley website has a 4 wheel one called >>> the Centurion, for 100 mpg, that would work too. It >>> uses a Triump Spitfire frame and a fiberglass body. >>> >>> Of course you could put one in without changing >>> the body too at lower mpg but probly over 80 mpg. >>> Would work in MG's and other light cars too. They >>> give away these cars here in Fla. >>> He also has some good free SAE papers he wrote >>> under downloads on light weight gas,diesel cars, EV's, >>> how to build and design, marketing , handling and >>> safety. Really good paper on 3 wheel car handling >>> design. >>> He sells plans and consults. If you like >>> different, cool cars or want to design, build your own >>> check his website out. >>> The Rocky Mountain Inst. website has some good >>> concepts under Hyper-cars too. >>> Just some strange thoughts, >>> jerry dycus >>> PS , Thanks for the gasification post answers guys. >>> >>> --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> "NEW PRIZE - BIODIESEL! >>>> The National Biodiesel Board is offering a $1,000 >>>> prize for the top placing >>>> vehicle in the NESEA Tour using Biodiesel. The prize >>>> is to encourage >>>> entrants to use biodiesel, and to raise awareness >>>> about biodiesel as a >>>> domestic fuel. >>>> "We're excited to be part of such a high-profile >>>> educational program" said >>>> Jenna Higgins, director of communications for the >>>> National Biodiesel board. >>>> "Biodiesel is a clean-burning fuel that can be made >>>> from any fat or oil, >>>> such as soybean oil. It is ten times less toxic than >>>> table salt and as >>>> biogradable as sugar. It can be used by any >>>> traditional or hybrid-electric >>>> vehicle that uses diesel fuel."" >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >>> a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982689011/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race
10-15 years ago there was an article in Popular Mechanics about putting the Kubota 3cyl into the Spitfire. Claimed over 100 mpg without any other modifications. Ed > From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:29:10 -0800 (PST) > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel]Hi mileage biodiesel cars, NESEA race > > Hi All, > While I am building my 3 wh composite EV that > weighs only 600 lbs before batteries it accured to me > that on biodiesel it would get over 100 mpg with a 17 > hp Kabota 3 cyl diesel. An exellent tractor, industral > motor. > By replacing the batts with equal weight biodiesel > , 60 gal, the range would take you accross the US and > back, over 6,000 miles on 1 tank? Now that's cheap, > eff, eco transport. > Top speed would be about 80 mph on level ground. > The beauty of light weight and good aero. > Since biodiesel is carbon neutral it gains extra > points making it a contender in this race. > Driving carefully in top gear between 35 and 45 > mph you could get over 130 mpg. > Robert Q Riley website has a 4 wheel one called > the Centurion, for 100 mpg, that would work too. It > uses a Triump Spitfire frame and a fiberglass body. > > Of course you could put one in without changing > the body too at lower mpg but probly over 80 mpg. > Would work in MG's and other light cars too. They > give away these cars here in Fla. > He also has some good free SAE papers he wrote > under downloads on light weight gas,diesel cars, EV's, > how to build and design, marketing , handling and > safety. Really good paper on 3 wheel car handling > design. > He sells plans and consults. If you like > different, cool cars or want to design, build your own > check his website out. > The Rocky Mountain Inst. website has some good > concepts under Hyper-cars too. > Just some strange thoughts, > jerry dycus > PS , Thanks for the gasification post answers guys. > > --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "NEW PRIZE - BIODIESEL! >> The National Biodiesel Board is offering a $1,000 >> prize for the top placing >> vehicle in the NESEA Tour using Biodiesel. The prize >> is to encourage >> entrants to use biodiesel, and to raise awareness >> about biodiesel as a >> domestic fuel. >> "We're excited to be part of such a high-profile >> educational program" said >> Jenna Higgins, director of communications for the >> National Biodiesel board. >> "Biodiesel is a clean-burning fuel that can be made >> from any fat or oil, >> such as soybean oil. It is ten times less toxic than >> table salt and as >> biogradable as sugar. It can be used by any >> traditional or hybrid-electric >> vehicle that uses diesel fuel."" > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982685233/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
