Re: [biofuel] Commercial production
movement in the first place - to make a better world (I hope I don't get bashed here). Quite simply we need to rethink our design of industry. I think entrenpeurs should jump on opportunities to make money. We need that spark. But to do so in a way that deprives us of our very source of all wealth (eg human and natural capital) is simply foolhardy. We do it a lot. Scale is also important - too big and it gets difficult to maintain the ethical standards you desire (See Schumacher, Small is Beautiful). Keith has said that he started JtF knowing that the information exchanged there would be exchanged freely, with no profit (financial) to him or JtF - he did it anyway. I would suggest that if you intend to profit off of an industry that perhaps JtF helped you to conceive of or enact, that you do you best to ensure that your business is the kind that we need for our future - that it holds itsefl to the same rigorous standards of integrity, creativity and justice that JtF stands for (I hope I am not speaking out of place here). Whew, morning coffee buzz hasn't worn off and I hope this is intelligible, if long. Good luck! Jack p.s. Keith, if you measure profit in some of the same ways that I do (knowing you are making a steady and strong change for the better) then let your coffers be full - you are to be applauded and I thank you. ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Commercial production Hi Hakan If you can sell your biodiesel and make a profit that is acceptable for you, please sell it. The morality does not rest with who is using it, it is rather that someone is prepared to use it. It is not like you are giving someone an advantage or a favor. It is that someone has moral enough that buy it, often despite a higher price, and use it for the to support future generations. It is a huge task to change the fossil habits and every little step is important. Promote and make a good business out of diversified biofuel production and do not attempt to make it an honor for your clients to buy from you. This way you are acting in a moral way and every gallon sold, substitute the use of a gallon of fossil fuel. Your and other small producers success is a moral thing in itself. Good luck and go out and get the totally immoral energy corporations! Hakan But this isn't really what William was asking. The nub of it's near the end: the general public. I am afraid, however, that I may upset some by turning a profit using methods and information (although modified) by others. He's worried about the rights and wrongs of taking and using for commercial gain information freely given at Journey to Forever, a lot of which comes from here, the Biofuel list - very many people have given their time and efforts to developing the biodiesel information and technology now available to anybody. Would it be right for a business just to take it over, put their name on it and get rich off it? Thor said this of the Biofuel list a while back: I just want to say how important what you all are doing here is. Closed-system fuel production, on a local or small regional scale, tied to local resources, using accessible technologies, and dependent on entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange - it's AWESOME. Keep up the good work everyone, before the planet fries. ... entrepreneurial innovation combined with open-source information exchange... But how exactly does that work? There are people here, list members, who're just here for what they can get. Some of them are using the list, the list members and list resources as a free consultancy service - they take what they want, even raise discussions on it, and put it to their own use. This might have nothing to do with what Thor said and what we're all on about here - small-scale, localised, distributed biofuels production, truly sustainable, renewable energy production with a future to it. Some of them have big plans for high-production, centralised plants and would normally be paying megabucks to consultancies for the kind of information they get here for nothing. What's most noticeable is that they PUT NOTHING BACK IN. Some even talk of patents. I suppose they think we're a bunch of mugs. We know a lot of people do that with the information at Journey to Forever as well - we get quite seriously ripped off. Well, we knew that would happen when we started it but decided to do it anyway. Our perhaps idealistic idea of it is that the rip-off merchants don't thrive, though they might think
[biofuel] fertilizer from fish scraps
This should be related to biofuels in that we are seeking to derive fetilizer subsitutes from a waste product (by-product) to enrich nutrient poor carbonate soils as an alternative to US manufactured chemicals. I am in the vicinity of an offshore aquaculture cage project that in six months will begin to harvest 14,000 Cobia at 10-12 lbs - that's around 150,000 of fish. Once harvested and processed, about 20% by weight is scraps - heads, guts, bones, etc. I know that this would be a real resource for local farmers and could really tip the scales in terms of how productive polycultures can be here on a desert island. But I know very little about what I would need to do to make this resource feasible - either to emusify it (how?) or to compost it (stinks...badly!) or ??? I would appreciate any ideas on how to tap this wastestream for food production which would otherwise end up in a landfill. Damn good fish too. jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas
Very useful links Bryan - thanks. In talking with the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and some registered importers - I have been told that it will be a minumum of $5,000 and up to 1 year to get the vehicle imported. Crazy. I like Vern's idea of bringing in a powerplant and placing it in a US Toyota chassis - will keep you posted. thanks for the input. Jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Bryan Brah To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas Federalizing a vehicle less than 25 years old is expensive, and can only be done by registered importers. Here are some links regarding the importation of vehicles. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/ http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/ImageCache/cgov/content/publications/impo rtingacar_2edoc/v1/importingacar.doc http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/factmtop.htm -BRAH -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:31 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas Hello Biofuelers, I wanted to update you all on some progress here in The Bahamas. First, we have passed ASTM again. I know it seems a bit nuts to pay for the test so close together, but our gov't officials required it for us to be able to sell any excess fuel that we process - and the first test came from a smaller version of our lab so they wanted a new sample. Govt here tells me they will be satisfied with annual testing hereafter. Fair enough I think. I have also liased with another cruiseline (Holland America) to build a biodiesel lab on a small cay that runs its own powerplants and diesel powered desalinization equipment. What I think is so great about this is not only that we will be tapping another source of waste oil formerly being incinerated or dumped with no benefit and real damage - but also that the cruiselines will be using the biofuel themselves. It is the cruiseline that operates the day-use resort for its cruiseships. I realize that this is not the same as a small village owned and run biofuel plant, but I think we can cheer for every gallon of WVO that gets burned for locomotion or electricity rather than just to be rid of it. I truly encourage all those in the proximity of cruiseship landings to explore the possibilities of getting thei WVO - regulations force them to change the oil often and our quality is very good. On another, very seperate, note. I own a 1993 Toyota Hilux diesel - running bioD of course. I want to bring it to the US, but they are not sold in the US. I understand that there are issues with emissions that are tough to get around, but that the real crux is the crash tests that the US requires and that doesn't happen on foreign vehicles not marketed there. Does anyone have any experience bringing a Hilux into the US? Any suggestions on what authorities I will need to talk with to try to get it cleared? Thanks and Regards to All, Jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c99b198/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1070551701/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338partid=4116732 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=694723267 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas
Hello Biofuelers, I wanted to update you all on some progress here in The Bahamas. First, we have passed ASTM again. I know it seems a bit nuts to pay for the test so close together, but our gov't officials required it for us to be able to sell any excess fuel that we process - and the first test came from a smaller version of our lab so they wanted a new sample. Govt here tells me they will be satisfied with annual testing hereafter. Fair enough I think. I have also liased with another cruiseline (Holland America) to build a biodiesel lab on a small cay that runs its own powerplants and diesel powered desalinization equipment. What I think is so great about this is not only that we will be tapping another source of waste oil formerly being incinerated or dumped with no benefit and real damage - but also that the cruiselines will be using the biofuel themselves. It is the cruiseline that operates the day-use resort for its cruiseships. I realize that this is not the same as a small village owned and run biofuel plant, but I think we can cheer for every gallon of WVO that gets burned for locomotion or electricity rather than just to be rid of it. I truly encourage all those in the proximity of cruiseship landings to explore the possibilities of getting thei WVO - regulations force them to change the oil often and our quality is very good. On another, very seperate, note. I own a 1993 Toyota Hilux diesel - running bioD of course. I want to bring it to the US, but they are not sold in the US. I understand that there are issues with emissions that are tough to get around, but that the real crux is the crash tests that the US requires and that doesn't happen on foreign vehicles not marketed there. Does anyone have any experience bringing a Hilux into the US? Any suggestions on what authorities I will need to talk with to try to get it cleared? Thanks and Regards to All, Jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] green color
Hey folks, I was just perusing the archive slooking for some information on different fuel color characteristics tht are indicative of certain problems. I found a good deal of info, but not exactly what I am looking for. I have a batch that I just made, and after the final wash, it is clear, but it has a greenish tint to it. Hmmm. Perhaps an incomplete reaction? Contaminants in the fuel? I am trying to reprocess the fuel as virgin oil to see if it seperates out any more glyc - but wondering if anyone has any additional thoughts. Thanks. Also, Keith - thanks a lot for putting my project up on your site! I just noticed it the other day and I appreciate the support. Cheers. Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] swimming in it
Keith, Todd, et al. Thanks for the responses. I really like the idea of sawdust and glycerine briquettes - We once thought of making charcoal briquettes out of casuarina equisetefolia wood that is over abundant here as an exotic invasive. Perhaps we could market both? We have lots of sawdust and wood shavings from our mill and work shop. As to why we only use B50 in the boat - I suppose we are just breaking her in. She is an '84 with a lot of hours and we depend on her twice daily to get us to an open ocean aquaculture cage to feed the fish. If she were to bog down for some reason we would be in some trouble as the fish dont much like missing a feed. I would like to have her up to B80 by December and then B100 by January. The scaling up of the biodiesel blends is more palatable to the investors on the project, and it is they who own the boat. By the way, I was talking to our marina manager tonight and he was expressing concerns about using biodiesel in common rail diesels where the injection pressures are much higher. He was concerned (though admittedly uninformed) about the atomization at those pressures and other performance characterisitics that might change. Any thoughts on this? Sorry for the scattered thread. Best, jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] swimming in it Hello Jack Liked your list of BD vehicles, great! Why only B50 in the boat? Glycerine that is. And I am not really sure what to do with it. I am making about 350 gallons of fuel a week now and coming out with roughly 40-45 gallons of glycerine to boot. Up until this point I was able to compost most of it readily, but now I have too much to deal with effectively. I am in a remote location in The Bahamas and have no one who would be willing to buy the stuff. I am storing it for the time being in 55 gallon drums that were used for lube oil at the power plant, but space is not limitless there - I would love to find a solution for large quantities of glycerine over the long term. I can't just dump it on the ground, can I? I have seen where it has spilled in the past and when it rains on those spots it is quite messy. I appreciate any input - I am sure the list has some good experience with these levels of glycerine? Thanks! Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org I take it you've checked all this stuff? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html Glycerine: Journey to Forever Most likely candidates are: - making milk carton logs and burning it for space heat (but you're in the Caribbean!), or (remotely) for biodiesel process heat via a heat exchanger; - reclaiming the excess methanol and using the remaining by-product as degreaser; and - separating it. You'll have to see if this last makes economic sense to offset the phosphoric acid costs, but you could have more options with the salts, glycerin and FFA separated. Maybe you don't think chemical fertilizers are sustainable, neither do I, but no harm in the compost pile, and much easier to compost just the salts than the whole thing. I don't think anyone anywhere is willing to buy the unseparated by-product. Could you sell sawdust logs perhaps? Or briquettes? Glycerine-sawdust briquettes was my original idea before Tony Clarke thought of putting it in milk cartons. Small-scale export to another island maybe? It burns hotter and longer than an equivalent weight of wood would do, might save some trees. I got hold of some activated charcoal and some clumping cat litter a few days ago planning to filter some separated glycerin to purify it, which Martin just advised, I'll report any results of interest, but industrially it's apparently only saleable in very large quantities. There's also this: http://www.regional.org.au/au/gcirc/1/241.htm Glycerol as a by-product of biodiesel production in Diets for ruminants regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders
Re: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel?
I have a 1993 Ford F-350, a 1993 Toyota Hilux Pickup, a 1995 Isuzu Elf 250 2-Ton Flatbed, a 1995 Toyota Hiace Van, a 1997 Toyota Hiace Van, a 1996 Toyota Hiace Van, a 1999 Toyota Hiace Van all running B100 in the vehicle department. I also have 2 small yanmar diesels (bandsaw mill and compressor) and a 16 kw Yanmar genset running B100 and finally a 1984 Detroit 871 Twin Turbo in a 40 foot trawler running B50. All running spendidly. Cheers Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: CH To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel? Mercedes Benz 300 TD turbo wagon 1987 2WD Massey Ferguson 1010 tractor 4WD Belarus 822 tractor 4WD All B100 Chris Amar Central New York State Mark Finewood wrote: I am curiouse about what vehicles people are running on biodiesel? Let me know. Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] swimming in it
Glycerine that is. And I am not really sure what to do with it. I am making about 350 gallons of fuel a week now and coming out with roughly 40-45 gallons of glycerine to boot. Up until this point I was able to compost most of it readily, but now I have too much to deal with effectively. I am in a remote location in The Bahamas and have no one who would be willing to buy the stuff. I am storing it for the time being in 55 gallon drums that were used for lube oil at the power plant, but space is not limitless there - I would love to find a solution for large quantities of glycerine over the long term. I can't just dump it on the ground, can I? I have seen where it has spilled in the past and when it rains on those spots it is quite messy. I appreciate any input - I am sure the list has some good experience with these levels of glycerine? Thanks! Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vhSowB/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] mixing pumps
Wondering if anyone can help me with this one. I am trying to source a pump that can handle the whole mixing job for the methoxide. Presently I have to switch the portable mixer between the methoxide tank and the reaction tank and I also have to keep the lid to the methoxide tank open when mixing. I am mixing roughly 35 gallons of methanol with almost 4 kg of lye. Naturally, sonce the lye is at the bottom, the pump would have to be able to mix/grind/move that solid material along with the methanol until it dissolves completely (my pump draws out of the very bottom of the tank). I appreciate any recommendations. Thanks, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Testing of biodiesel
Analytical Testing Services in Franklin, PA will test it for you if you send them a 1 gallon sample, to meet ASTM 6751-03, for $972.00 all inclusive - it ain't cheap. their contact: 814-432-9424 [EMAIL PROTECTED] cheers, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Andreas W Ohnsorge To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Testing of biodiesel I found some in Germany - they are usually testing large biodiesel batches and are quite expensive (around 800 Euros for a full test). If you don't want to sell the stuff you should consider testing only the really important variables (glycerides,...) which is a gaschromatography test and that was about 120 Euros here. I found those laboratories by asking some of the biodiesel producers where they let test their biodiesel... Andreas Ohnsorge CSC Ploenzke AG Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.20020 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile:+49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.de.csc.com 100 Jahre Tour de France: Herzlichen Glckwunsch dem Team CSC zum 1. Platz in der Team-Gesamtwertung http://www.csc-cycling.com/. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. kline @mail.gru.net To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc: 26.08.2003 04:39 Subject: [biofuel] Testing of biodiesel Please respond to biofuel Is there any lab that will test a sample of hombrewed bioD to see if it meets specs? I appreciate it J.D. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ASTM Fuel
Keith et. al.- I am using the single stage base process. I make the fuel in roughly 150 gallon batches - totalling about 300 gallons a week right now. What this will do for us is to allow us to pursue a Bahamas Development Bank grant to establish a locally owned and run biodiesel processing facility of roughly double the size in the nearby settlement. I think we will plan on putting a business plan together for the Bank sometime in the next three months to help biofuels claim a good portion of the total diesel market on Eleuthera (It is quite small if you don't include the marinas - and the yacht owners are a tough crowd to crack). I'll keep you posted. Regarding particular areas that I focused on - I would certainly say the wash. I know people's opinions vary on this, but I cannot imagine not washing the fuel. I wash three times always for about 2 days each wash. It takes a bit of time, but the air pump just runs off of a solar panel with a small battery bank - and I have the time to wait. I also use 22% methanol - I haven't played around with this much, so I am not sure how that volume is affecting my fuel. I am very interested in finding out what sort of modification might need to be done to a jet or turbo prop engine to help it run on biodiesel. I will look into the link you sent James, and if anyone else has any other ideas, I'd love to hear them. CHeers, Jack James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Capstone power generation turbines can run on biodiesel, so I assume that the mod for jet engines wouldn't be that difficult. http://www.microturbine.com/technology/specsheets.asp James Slayden On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Keith Addison wrote: That's GREAT news!!! Well done! Multiple :-) 's! Jack, remind me please - which process are you using? And what are your plans now you've made the grade? Jet engines... rings a vague bell, but I don't know. Interesting. All best Keith Hey All - just thought I would let you all know that I just received my results from the ASTM tests and we passed all categories. Just another good example of a homebrewer in a remote setting (Bahamas) making spec-grade biofuel! One other question: has anyone ever done any testing for using biodiesel in a jet engine? Jet fuel is so close to diesel fuel, I was wondering if anyone had done the research. Thanks. Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ASTM Fuel
Hey All - just thought I would let you all know that I just received my results from the ASTM tests and we passed all categories. Just another good example of a homebrewer in a remote setting (Bahamas) making spec-grade biofuel! One other question: has anyone ever done any testing for using biodiesel in a jet engine? Jet fuel is so close to diesel fuel, I was wondering if anyone had done the research. Thanks. Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel Boats
I have a question for any mechanic-types out there - particularly marine-diesel familiars. I am thinking about purchasing a 40 foot diesel work boat for a combined aquculture and dive operation and I am wondering if any knows about: 1 - this engine in particular: General Motors 8V71 twin turbo rated at 450 HP? I know that GM has had some trouble with diesel engines in the past just wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge pertaining to this model in particular. 2 - Special considerations for using biodiesel in marine applications? Thanks for the help. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Boats
thanks for the input on the engine - much appreciated. and it is not
necessarily that I need that much power, but it is what's in the boat that is
for sale. It may also prove useful in hauling 1,500 lbs and ice from Eleuthera
to the market in Nassau.
thanks again.
jack
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems Director
The Cape Eleuthera Island School
242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax
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From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel Boats
Common, reliable, used in all sorts of marine applications, buses, etc.
Known as Screaming Green Leakers I believe, for their noteworthy
tendency to run and run, but leak lube oil from various places.
Just keep a rag handy.
Pretty heavy on fuel use...my 40' tug had a Perkins 354-6, under 100HP,
yet could tow a small barge well, and was very economical. Do you
really need all that horsepower??
Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca
On Thursday, May 29, 2003, at 06:09 AM, Jack Kenworthy wrote:
I have a question for any mechanic-types out there - particularly
marine-diesel familiars. I am thinking about purchasing a 40 foot
diesel work boat for a combined aquculture and dive operation and I am
wondering if any knows about:
1 - this engine in particular: General Motors 8V71 twin turbo rated
at 450 HP? I know that GM has had some trouble with diesel engines in
the past just wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge
pertaining to this model in particular.
2 - Special considerations for using biodiesel in marine applications?
Thanks for the help.
Best,
Jack
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems Director
The Cape Eleuthera Island School
242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax
www.islandschool.org
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[biofuel] Biodiesel Coop
Hey Folks, Now that I have put some time into the development of a biodiesel processor for my school, I am interested in moving the benefits of biodiesel homebrewing out into local communities on Eleuthera. I am particularly interested in the biodiesel cooperative idea, or just simply community based biodiesel production (Mark? Keith?). Any thoughts that anyone has on challenges/successes woith bringing the technology out into communities or the structure of a cooperative to support it would be most appreciated. Thanks, Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol pricing
i am paying $145 for a 55 gallon drum, so just about $2.63/gallon. VP Racing Fuels is my source. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: brent3369 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] methanol pricing What price is everyone here paying for methanol? I'm looking for Canadian sourses in western Canada. I pay $30/20l pail here in Yorkton Sask. Can't seem to find larger quantities. Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need Cetane Help
craig - I am sure sure of the answer to your question, but would you mind telling me where you sent your fuel to be tested, what quantities you needed to send in and how much it cost? Thanks! Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Craig Pech To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [biofuel] Need Cetane Help We just got the results from our first attempt at the ASTM test. Everything came in looking good except for a very low cetane number - 29. I have never seen this low a number in a BioD test and do not know what we can do to raise it. Any ideas out there? Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol pricing
btw, here is an e-mail contact for VP Racing fuels in western Canada. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: brent3369 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] methanol pricing What price is everyone here paying for methanol? I'm looking for Canadian sourses in western Canada. I pay $30/20l pail here in Yorkton Sask. Can't seem to find larger quantities. Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] flow meters
Thanks Kim - here is a little more detail. 1 - for the heated oil: never above 130 deg F being pumped through a 3/4 copper pipe at roughly 16 gallons/minute. 2 - for the methanol: ambient temp through 3/4 pipe also at 16 gallons/minute. 3 - as for price, well the cheaper the better, as long as it is of good quality. Thanks for the help. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] flow meters What flow rate are you looking for? 10 gals a minute or 100 gpm? What size of pipe? What is the maximum temperature of the oil? My husband is a looks after flow meters in the oil field and knows of about 6 options. What price range are you looking at? Bright Blessings, Kim -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [biofuel] flow meters Good Morning - does anyone know of a good way to measure (and totalize) flow of oil and methanol from storagew tanks to reactor? I have seen a few meters out there that are very expensive and are not spec'd to do either hot oil or methanol. Any ideas for a source for such a meter? I think this would help me with the accuracy of measurements for large quantities. Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] measuring fluid quantities
I didn't hear from anyone about sourcing out a flow meter for measuring large quanities of heated WVO and methanol into the reaction tank, so perhaps such things aren't used. How do folks typically measure the amount of WVO and methanol they are putting into the reactor for largish batches, say 100 gallons? Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] flow meters
Good Morning - does anyone know of a good way to measure (and totalize) flow of oil and methanol from storagew tanks to reactor? I have seen a few meters out there that are very expensive and are not spec'd to do either hot oil or methanol. Any ideas for a source for such a meter? I think this would help me with the accuracy of measurements for large quantities. Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures
great, thanks for the tips. i won't continue to mix after the 55 galls in used up, so I don't anticipate any short-term problems with the low mixtures. Ed, I have tried to make biodiesel with the ethanol about 10 times with no success. I am assuming it has to do with water content in the ethanol and I have switched to methanol. at some point I would like to try to squeeze the last bit of water out with 3A zeolite, but I don't have the $$ to do it right now, nor a way to re-activite it at 300-350 deg C. cheers, Jack oh yeah, quick follow up question for anyone with knowledge of engines... a good chunk of our gasoline use is in 4-stroke Mercury outboard engines in our boats. I assume that the 10% ethanol would be suitable for this as well? Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: bratt To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures There are two more important consideraations when using ethanol or methanol mixtures in gasoline. One is the corossive nature of alcohol and its effect on seals, gaskets and hoses. There is also mild corrosion of aluminum. Limiting the mix ratio keeps it minimal. The other is that addition of alcohol or methanol will raise the octane rating, however, after reaching a certain point, adding more will drop the octane reading, according to the lab at the local refinery. I did not get figures, but If I were using up 55 gallons, I would use it in a 10 per cent solution, just like the local gas station pumps. EdB - Original Message - From: Jack Kenworthy To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] ethanol mixtures can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol mixtures
can anyone tell me the maximum amount of ethanol that you can blend with gasoline and burn in an unmodified gasoline engine? I have a 55 gall drum of ethanol lying around that I can't make biodiesel with and I am looking for a suitable use. thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Arrogance of Power
Senator Robert Byrd, for all of his faults, continues to voice a dissenting view on Bush Administration policy with a sense of outrage, clarity and compassion. Senate Remarks by Robert C. Byrd March 19, 2003 The Arrogance of Power I believe in this beautiful country. I have studied its roots and gloried in the wisdom of its magnificent Constitution. I have marveled at the wisdom of its founders and framers. Generation after generation of Americans has understood the lofty ideals that underlie our great Republic. I have been inspired by the story of their sacrifice and their strength. But, today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of recent months with a heavy, heavy heart. No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned. Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place. We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split. After war has ended, the United States will have to rebuild much more than the country of Iraq. We will have to rebuild America's image around the globe. The case this Administration tries to make to justify its fixation with war is tainted by charges of falsified documents and circumstantial evidence. We cannot convince the world of the necessity of this war for one simple reason. This is a war of choice. There is no credible information to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11. The twin towers fell because a world-wide terrorist group, Al Qaeda, with cells in over 60 nations, struck at our wealth and our influence by turning our own planes into missiles, one of which would likely have slammed into the dome of this beautiful Capitol except for the brave sacrifice of the passengers on board. The brutality seen on September 11th and in other terrorist attacks we have witnessed around the globe are the violent and desperate efforts by extremists to stop the daily encroachment of western values upon their cultures. That is what we fight. It is a force not confined to borders. It is a shadowy entity with many faces, many names, and many addresses. But, this Administration has directed all of the anger, fear, and grief which emerged from the ashes of the twin towers and the twisted metal of the Pentagon towards a tangible villain, one we can see and hate and attack. And villain he is. But, he is the wrong villain. And this is the wrong war. If we attack Saddam Hussein, we will probably drive him from power. But, the zeal of our friends to assist our global war on terrorism may have already taken flight. The general unease surrounding this war is not just due to orange alert. There is a pervasive sense of rush and risk and too many questions unanswered. How long will we be in Iraq? What will be the cost? What is the ultimate mission? How great is the danger at home? A pall has fallen over the Senate Chamber. We avoid our solemn duty to debate the one topic on the minds of all Americans, even while scores of thousands of our sons and daughters faithfully do their duty in Iraq. What is happening to this country? When did we become a nation which ignores and berates our friends? When did we decide to risk undermining international order by adopting a radical and doctrinaire approach to using our awesome military might? How can we abandon diplomatic efforts when the turmoil in the world cries out for diplomacy? Why can this President not seem to see that America's true power lies not in its will to intimidate, but in its ability to inspire? War appears inevitable. But, I continue to hope that the cloud will lift. Perhaps Saddam will yet turn tail and run. Perhaps reason will somehow still prevail. I along with millions of Americans will pray for the safety of our troops, for the innocent civilians in Iraq, and for the security of our homeland. May God continue to bless the United States of America in the troubled days ahead, and may we somehow recapture the vision which for the present eludes us. ### Daniel O'Brien History Department The Island School
Re: [biofuel] Re: some results
mark - do you mean doing a reprocess test on the clear biodiesel that I just made? I haven't done that yet, but it still isn't all that easy to wash so maybe I'll try that. when the batch that came out clear was done, there were many variables changed, such as more drying of oil, MUCH finer filtration of oil, a bit more lye, and higher proces temp - so I have to go back and try to suss out what the variable or combination of variables was that caused the fuel to clear right away after process. I'll keep you posted. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: girl_mark_fire To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:06 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: some results Jack, I'm still really curious about your problem and the troubleshooting of it. You are working with a closed processor if heating that high, right? (After I suggested you up the temperature my boyfriend just had a little accident with methoxide- working indoors, heating the oil to a high tempeature like you are- and he got some weird puffing up of his drum lid from the extra vaporizing or something. The fumes got out of the lid (not entirely 100% enclosed), blew back into the methoxide mixer, puffed it out, knocking it over, and he got serious dose of fumes trying to deal with the situation. ARGGH) anyway , I am wondering if you've done a reprocess test on it yet. I;m curious is that shows anything different... do the same tests you reported (as in, the same methanol/lye amounts) since as I said I don't know exactly how little methanol/lye to suggest on a reprocess. congratulations! mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: folks - a couple of things have together at once to dramatically improve my results. first, effectively dewatering the oil. bringing to 60deg C, holdig for 30 mins and letting cool over night. then reheating to 140 for processing to allow for cooling with methanol introduction and process time. Additionally, I have added a 20 micron filter to get nasties out of the oil before processing. voila, clear biodiesel. Joy! I am washing tonight, so I will let you know how that stage goes, but at least the first problem is clearing up...literally. I have a somewhat different question to ask folks here (Hakan?) I Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] some results
folks - a couple of things have together at once to dramatically improve my results. first, effectively dewatering the oil. bringing to 60deg C, holdig for 30 mins and letting cool over night. then reheating to 140 for processing to allow for cooling with methanol introduction and process time. Additionally, I have added a 20 micron filter to get nasties out of the oil before processing. voila, clear biodiesel. Joy! I am washing tonight, so I will let you know how that stage goes, but at least the first problem is clearing up...literally. I have a somewhat different question to ask folks here (Hakan?) I recently purchased some HOBO data loggers to monitor loads on campus. To my chagrin, though not mush surprise, I am finding that our freezer compressor runs 85% of the time at 14.5 amps. Youch. It is a Beverage Air Restaurant Freezer that has ben recently serviced and cleaned with the thermostat adjusted properly. Maybe just worn out. Two questions: 1) what is the normal duty cycle for a unit like this? 2) any ideas for replacements? Most of the ultra-efficient companies (Sunfrost, etc) do not offer units large enough for our 70 person community. Thanks again for the tips with the clouds. No doubt I will have more questions, but the dialogue here really helped me work through it. cheers. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] reprocessing biodiesel
Here are the results of my other reprocessing tests. 1st - I used 3.5g lye and 200 ml Methanol - the biodiesel cleared and another 80-100 ml of glycerol settled out. The biodiesel on top has the appearance of clarity , but it also looked like it has a bit of methanol still left in that layer, as it appeared swirly (you know like when salt water and freh water mix and it is kind of like a heat mirage?) washing was terrible - just went totally cloudy and mayonaisse. 2nd - I tried it again with 50 ml methanol and 1g lye - some glycerol seperated out, but the biodiesel on top was still cloudy. 3rd - Used 100 ml methanol and 2g lye. Similar to previous, some glycerol settling out (roughly double the amount of the 50ml/1g test as you might expect), but still cloudy on top. So perhaps I need to use an amout in between 100ml/2g and 200ml/3.5 g? But I tried to process a new batch of the same oil with 250ml methanol and 7g lye - I got strong clear seperation of biodiesel/glycerine, but still cloudy on top. Argghhh. Keith, I am still waiting for the water to drop out of the oil that I washed - it is well mixed in there and drying only slowly, once it does I will test it. Is it normal for the water to get so hung up? Thanks for any pointers. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] the clouds clear
...but not in my mind. mark - i went with the reprocess first. took one liter of biodiesel (the cloudy stuff I mentioned before) and processed as for virgin oil; 3.5g lye, 200ml methanol. The biodiesel was at room temperature (80 deg F here) and I mixed for 20 minutes. After 4 hours of settling there is roughyl 100 ml of dark fluid seperated out in the bottom of the jar (methanol and glycerine?) anf the top layer is quite clear - though there are still droplets falling out. BTW, Keith, I am also drying the wvo that I washed to see what that does for a reaction using the titration levels I did before. I combined the hot/cold wash method for the oil - e.g. hot oil, room temp distilled water. Just cause the oil was already hot and I don't have a way to heat water at my lab on that scale - just big drum heaters. I'll post that later. SO, I am confused about what I did wrong the first time. I thought that perhaps my lye was weak, b/c I am in a very hot humid environment, but the pellets are well sealed and besides, it is the same stuff that I recently made up a batch of .1% lye water from. So, perhaps it was the agitation duration? But then, another twenty minutes wouldn't seem to have really made much difference (albeit it was twenty minutes with extra ingredients) - I just don't understand the chemistry well enough. I am going to try a new batch with 5+ grams NaOH and see what happens. Might go with 25% meth too. Any thoughts? cheers, jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] good reading
I am not sure if any of you are big wendell berry fans, but his most recent essay, which was published as a full page add in the NY Times thanks to some serious fundraising by good friends. It is worth looking at if you haven't. Also look at Senator Robert Byrd's statement on the senate floor earlier in Feb (I know Byrd has history, but his words her are poignant and timely). It provides a heartening departure from the Bush rhetoric yet calls for a level of citizen responsibility not seen in the US for a long time. Wendell Berry: http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/03-2om/Berry.html Robert Byrde Statement: http://truthout.org/docs_02/021403A.htm best, jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: glycerol seperation and clouds
mark and keith - thanks for the advice. I am going to go down to the lab today and run several 1 liter tests, including reprocessing and the oil wash (intersesting idea!). I will report on what I find. What is the philosophy behind mixing the glycerine back in after seperation? and might that also be a help in my situation? Is it possible that 5 gallons glycerine (1/8 volume) seperation on 40 gallons oil is normal? What would be the consequence of burning fuel in an engine if there were more glycerine to drop out? Thanks for the follow up - more soon on my trials. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] glycerol seperation and clouds
Hi all - I am wondering if you all could help me clarify a few production questions. Let me describe a bit the conditions I am working with. First, my oil is very good quality wvo from a cruise ship. They use it 1-2 days and then give it to us. My titrations routinely give me a value of around .3 - .5 extra grams of lye/liter ( I use a biurette for titration, so small quantities to 1/10th ml are fairly easy to determine). My batch sizes are presently about 40-50 gallons and I am using 23% methanol to ensure that the reaction goes far enough. I am preheating my oil to 120 F and filtering, though only coursely (through 4-ply steel screen), before pumping into reaction tank. I pump the hot oil from about 6 off bottom of drum to avoid getting any residual water. Once in the reaction tank, I am no longer able to maintain heat, so the temp falls off from there during the reaction. The methoxide I mix with both a high rpm mixer and a circulating pump for about 20-30 minutes. I mix the whole batch with the same mixer for 3-4 hours - it is quite vigorous. I let it sit after mixing for about 24 hours, but I do not stir the glycerol back in. Here is what I am seeing: 1 -for a 40 gallon batch of veggie oil, I am getting only about 5 gallons of glycerol seperating out on bottom. Does this seem like a normal amount? I used 9.2 gallons methanol and 3.8g/liter NaOH - totaling 575g. 2 - The biodiesel on top is also still cloudy. This is puzzling to me, but I am still not quite sure if it is normal. I have other tanks that I let it settle in for about a week and some more fatty substances fall out (more glycerol? tallow esters?). But it is still not totally clear. When I go to wash, it is usually a painful process - takes forever. First wash comes out white, second less so and third pretty darn clear, but the biodiesel is still not totally clear (usual?). I am adding 10 ml/L of white vinegar to the wash, but I am concerned to use more to avoid converting back to FFA's. If I heat to 90-100 degrees F, it seems to clear and sometimes remains clear, sometimes not. If it does, I filter and use it. If not I wait longer, and eventuallyit clears. I am wondering if this is all very usual, or if there is a quicker way to get the settle/wash done. I am trying right now to process all of the 100 gallons a week in a 50 gallon processor, so I am doing two batches and my settle/wash tank space is tight. Would stirring glycerol back in help? More/less Methanol? I have searched the archives and found a ton of useful info, but I was hoping someone might have a minute to comment on some of the particulars of my situation. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel in Bahamas
Hello All, Just wanted to give you all an update on the progession of my biodiesel work in The Bahamas - a process that has benefitted greatly from the input I have received on this list. A quick update on the input I received earlier re: attaching fittings to drums: I have found that MSC Industrial sells 3/4 copper bulkhead fittings and also either teflon or viton gaskets that work well to put a fitting anywhere on a drum quickly without welding or brazing - good for me b/c I don't have a welder. We'll see how long they last - they appear quite sturdy. Since I don't have a welder, I also cannot make the cone bottom, but threading the 3/4 bung (using top of drum as bottom) with a U fitting inside is working well enough for now. A major goal of ours here at the school is to begin to make enough biodiesel that we can get some ou tinto the local community and eventually create a local industry producing it (we just had the Prime Minister here for a conference and he is very excited to support the project - could reach out to many family islands in The Bahamas). Right now we are getting 100+ gallons/week from Princess Cruiselines when they land each week. The oil quality is top notch. They use it for only 1-2 days and they give it to me filtered and decanted - very nice. If anyone has access to such a supply, I would recommend pursuing it. It takes a couple of months to break through the red tape, but well worth it for us. I would estimate that we could expand our offloading from their ships to 500-700 gallons a week if we tapped all ships that travel this way. With 100 gallons a week, my present processor is too small and I am needing to do two batches to use all of the oil - more time than I have presently, so I am looking to make a bigger processor. Polyethylene seems like a good way to go b/c it is cheap and I can get the tanks here easily. I have searched the archives for info on medium density polyethylene compatibility info, but only see references for HDPE. I want to use MDPE for processing, settling and wash tanks - any fear of rapid breakdown with this? Thanks again for all of the valuable input. Best, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] oil production
Hello, Keith, I was wondering about some of the information I have seen you post regarding the amount of world food production that is produced with no land. I think I remember seeing 15% and I am wondering if you could point me towards some sources for that information. We are running a permaculture designers course here right now and I got into a discussion with one of the instructors who was very interested by those figures. I am also interested in what the list feels is the potential for the production of oil crops without taking up agricultural space for food production. and thanks for all the posts on the drum modification, I am well on my way now. cheers, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Drum Modification
Hello, I am trying to find a reliable way to install a 3/4 copper valve in the side of a 55 gallon drum in order to drain off settled biodiesel to go into a wash tank (leaving the settled out gunk at the bottom). Does anyoned have a good technique or know of suppliers for the necessary parts? Thanks. Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] High pH
I am having some trouble figuring out this problem - hoping someone could help. I have recently made a 25 gallon batch of biodiesel, which came out a bit murky. I have since washed the fuel five times with the bubble wash method - for at least 12 hours at a time. The water from the last wash was much clearer than previous washes - almost nothing coming out of the biodiesel. The specific gravity checks out at .88 at 60deg F. The wierd thing is that the pH meter I have (it is a nice, new Oakton digital pH meter, recently calibrated) tells me variously that the pH is either over range, or somewhere around 12.5!! I find this impossible to believe, but I have no good explanation for the reading. The titration for the batch came out at only 4g/liter - no huge amount of NaOH. Does anyone know if there would be something in the biodiesel that would cause the meter to freak out? I have yet to put a batch of biodiesel into a vehicle. This well-washed fuel is clear, amber, and right specific gravity - just wierd pH. I am nervous to discount the meter reading and put it in the tank for the first go. Any thoughts? - Thanks for the responses on the methane digestor - very useful links and contacts. -Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Greg and April To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fw: Micro Hydro Power Found this on another list, and thought that a few people here would be interested. Greg H. - Original Message - Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 07:32 Subject: Micro Hydro Power Energy Systems and Designs offers the Stream Engine, which might help you power equipment in your greenhouse, should you have some running water in your nearby watershed. http://www.microhydropower.com/index2.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy
excuse me - I may be out of my mind, or simply out of place as a newcomer to this list, but what does any of this back and forthing have to do with biofuels (in the direct sense)? Nuclear weapons? rule of the masses? Interesting and compelling topics, but perhaps better suited for off the list. Maybe I am missing something. I am trying to make biodiesel in The Bahamas - a small nation with a large chance of turning their energy future into a healthy and renewable one. Experienced advice on occasion is very useful to me and I am happy to share any successes or failures I experience that may be beneficial to anyone else. jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Greg and April To: Party of Citizens Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 16:20 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Direct Democracy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ·FREE Health Insurance Quotes-eHealthInsurance.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/1.voSB/RnFFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methane Digestor
Hello, We have a constructed wetland at our school that processes our sewage from roughly 70 people. The system has a settling tank where solids are seperated out before sending the fluid waste into the wetland gardens. Every year or so, the solids build up and need to be pumped out. I am wondering if anyone knows if there is a way to build a digestor to be able to extract methane from the solid waste? I have seen systems in Cuba using cow manure, but never with human waste. Any ideas? thanks, jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ·FREE Health Insurance Quotes-eHealthInsurance.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/1.voSB/RnFFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Murky Fuel
Hello, I am a recent convert to biodiesel, as we have switched to all diesel vehicles at our school in The Bahamas, and we have a steady supply of WVO from Princess Cruiselines who visit the south end of our island. I have a few questions about the batches that I have made so far: My most recent brew (and first large batch - roughly 35 gallons) came out with good seperation, but the top biodiesel layer was not clear - it was fairly cloudy. I drained out the glycerine and added water which I bubbled through the biodiesel for about 10 hours. After two days now, there is no sign that the water has begun to settle out very thoroughly. There is a distinct water layer at the bottom of the tank, but a good deal still seems to be suspended in the biodiesel. The water layer at the bottom is white-ish as would be expected. The oil I used was fairly old (about one month - and we're in the sub-tropics) and it was heated to remove water and then strained. The oil was about 125 deg. F when the processing occurred. The titration, despite the oil being old, only indicated an additional .5g lye over the standard, so I used 4g lye for every liter WVO and methanol at 20 percent of WVO. First, is it plausible that the age of the oil caused the biodiesel to be cloudy in the first place? Does it usually take a very long time for all water to settle out? Is there any way to speed it up? Is it possible that after one water wash the biodiesel would still be murky even though the water had settled out already, indicating a need for a second wash? Thanks for any help, and I am getting a lot of good info just from reading the messages on the list. Best, Jack p.s. I have made smaller batches (1 liter) that I have washed (which were a little murky) and they settled out after only a day. Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] CHRONOLOGY - Spanish oil spill latest of many Hi Todd Not a complete list to be sure. Indeed not, thanks for filling it out. There've been a few news stories recently about ships sunk during WWII still causing pollution, more still to come, and about oil spills from 30 years back still causing pollution problems. Also, I recall something about empty oil tankers returning to the Gulf for more causing problems round the Cape by flushing out their tanks (or something?) out at sea beyond the territorial limit. Used to be millions and millions of jackass pengions there, for instance, now there aren't any. In 1978 I was living on an offshore island (Lamma) in Hong Kong, in a village called Sok Kwu Wan at the end of a long, narrow bay, famed for its seafood restaurants - the bay was filled with fish farms, the tidal patterns etc being perfect for it. The island's on the other side of the main shipping channel out of Hong Kong, one of the main shipping ports in the world. There are scores of bouys and navigation beacons in that channel, it must be one of the best-marked bits of ocean there is. One morning (I worked all night at a newspaper) I caught a sampan home across the channel to find a large container ship perched nose-first on a rock at the entrance to the bay. It was called the Adrian Maersk. There was a beacon right there - like a car colliding with a traffic-light. The ship released a whole lot of fuel oil - well, it seemed like a whole lot, but it was nothing compared to a major spill. Killed all the fish though - the fish farmers were doing handstands: Compensation! A double nightmare ensued: first, all the dead fish had to be collected and weighed so it could be paid for; second, the oil had to be cleaned up. Large piles of seriously rotting fish and fuel oil make for a less-than-pleasant background aroma. Foreground aroma, actually. I took a series of photographs of the Chinese workers cleaning up the oil, bare-legged, up to their thighs in the stuff. Very strong, instant and lasting impression it gave: NOT a part of nature at all, the whole thing was pervaded by a deep and most obvious sense of wrongness. Wrong wrong wrong. Utterly wrong too was the idea that money was somehow the correct medium for papering over the mess. Kirk's quite right about this: Notice many of these are navigational errors. The radar on the Valdez was broken for at least 6 months prior to its contact with the coast. The ship owners don't care. Repairs dip into profits. Ships are unsafe. Kirk But if we all want our nice wasteful hopelessly unsustainable wanton Western lifestyles intact, we should just be grateful they get us the stuff at all, eh? Never mind how
