Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Keith said: Okay, let me try to get to the bottom of this - I'm but a bear of small brain, so please explain clearly: who is selling global warming, and why, and to whom? Are all the massive auto and oil and other corporations that have pulled out of the anti-Kyoto coalition lobby group or whatever it's called merely the victims of a sales gimmick, along with the governments that do subscribe to Kyoto? They're all naive, easily gulled? What fear-based propaganda? - please give a clear-cut example of fear-based propaganda. You say below that you don't think it's a conspiracy, yet here you talk of propaganda that deceives, manipulates and blinds others. This leaves me muddled. I should point out that all advertising is basically fear-based propaganda. You could say the same about politics. But in those cases there's a clear set of motivations, culprits if you like, victims if you like, and beneficiaries, none of which I can clearly distinguish with global warming cast as fear-based propaganda, except perhaps the alleged victims. Keith, surely you do cannot really expect me to explain why organizations I have no role in chose to support or oppose global warming or any other issue. Has not your commonplace experience shown you that others may act for reasons not apparent? Given that some organizations do support the global warming cause because they view it as a genuine problem of serious concern, then there should be supporting empirical evidence. Directly addressing that evidence would make a much more convincing case than attempting to interpret the intent of others, would it not? Likewise, propaganda/advertising which promotes a position without a substantive basis raises questions per its veracity and intent. Bear in mind that I don't think I've said here, or anywhere, whether I accept global warming as a reality or not, so please don't put me on one side or the other. We share this position. If extensive resources are being expended on a wrongly defined problem then those resources are likely being misdirected while genuine problems go wanting. A relative few may thus benefit, but certainly not everybody. No, I think everyone benefits from the side-effects, the spin-off effects, as I said, and as Ed and Todd have amplified so eloquently. I also said it's about damn' time science got involved in a detailed, integrated examination of the biosystem, which is what's happening now. Maybe only climate change as the header would serve to make it integrated enough to counter science's great love of splintering itself in the name of specialisation, learning more and more about less and less. This huge climate-change study could turn out to be the most important thing they've ever done, whatever the results for the global warming case. Clearly your intentions are honorable, even if it turns out that global warming isn't real. You have genuine concerns which I believe do need to be addressed far better than they have been. This frustrates me too. However, if it comes to pass that global warming is unsubstantiated and/or discredited, then other valid causes which have jumped on the global warming bandwagon may be tarred and feathered with the same brush. That would be divisive and most unfortunate. We may have a philosophical disagreement here, but I would much prefer to first see a solid case made for the existence of and solution to global warming, a case that does not need to be attended by a valid collection of escape clauses. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Keith replied: We share this position. Somehow I doubt it. This is what I don't get - there's a point of view here, a perception, an angle, that I just can't see. It's obviously very emotive and divisive, and it seems to make it difficult to see the thing itself, shorn of its (political?) implications. Or am I the only one who gets gobsmacked when someone tells the list global warming is a Marxist plot to deprive Americans of their private property? (Or something like that.) Keith, when you invent accusations (or mix up discussion threads?) and make personal attacks then clearly this discussion has become futile. Let's just terminate this now and relieve ourselves and everyone else on this list of this burden. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Global Warming Hot Air
admitted that, their gravy train would derail. -- ...Warren Rekow - Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom thou art governed? Count Oxenstierna, 1648 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Keith said: Looking at it another way, even if it turns out that human-caused CO2 emissions have nothing or vanishingly little to do with climate and that there is no global warming, that it's all a myth/mistake/communist propaganda or whatever, moves to cut CO2 emissions are generally beneficial. Replace dinodiesel with biodiesel, for instance, and you're cutting GG emissions, yes, but you're also reducing the cancer risk by more than 90%. Keith, there is so much to like in your perspective. Action to improve energy efficiency and increase environmental awareness is all to the good. Yet, I still question the selling of global warming. In spite of what may appear to be good underlying intentions, promoting fear-based propaganda of any kind primarily serves to deceive, manipulate and blind others. Such is not the road to social, scientific or any other form of enlightenment, IMHO. Global warming or not, we - the industrialised countries and especially the US - are much too profligate with energy, especially fossil-fuel energy. Regardless of emissions, it's a non-renewable resource and we're wasting it. The climate change issue is doing more than anything else to counter that. Energy efficiency is a general good, and there's a hell of a lot of room for improvement. I agree, but segregate energy efficiency from resource conservation or harmful emissions. It is largely off-topic for this list, but I look for the day when we make practical use of the zero-point energy. If this scenario becomes reality then it may be that energy efficiency becomes relatively moot due to this energy's massive, universal and non-polluting availability. But... But what exactly? What's the downside? What it'll cost the economy? Will it really? Will it cost as much as the Y2K bill? That didn't seem to wreck any economies that I noticed, everyone simply paid up for this gross bit of idiocy and we never heard any more about it. If it's a conspiracy it's a most strange one - where are the usual suspects? Not quite where you'd expect them to be. Who benefits, apart from everybody? I don't know if global warming serves anyone's conspiracy. Potential grant recipients may seek to be paid from the public treasury, and organizations may seek additional revenue by promoting some aspect of the global warming concern, but being self-serving is not conspiracy unless there is a knowing attempt to defraud others. If extensive resources are being expended on a wrongly defined problem then those resources are likely being misdirected while genuine problems go wanting. A relative few may thus benefit, but certainly not everybody. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Stirling Engines
generate the power when you don't need it.'' Lowering the combustion rate to reduce nitrous oxide emissions, Stirling Advantage's design produces drastically less pollution than an internal-combustion engine. The design also introduces a hydraulic motor rather than depending on a crankshaft. ``So far, it's all theoretical,'' said Conde. ``But these are all improvements of a state-of-the-art design. Most people are scared to take the approach we are: to get into a 200-kilowatt should require millions and millions of dollars for research. We can do it for $1 million. That's what makes people very skeptical.'' After manufacturing a 20-kilowatt, one-cylinder demonstration engine for testing over the next couple of months, the company plans to begin turning out 20 test models of the 200-kilowatt size -- 6-by-6-foot engines that are about 8-feet high -- to customers that are already lined up, said Conde. One of those customers is the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In about two years, if funding works out, the company hopes to turn out engines at a wholesale price of $90,000, or about $450 per kilowatt. Those models can get as large as 800 kilowatts before the company has to begin manufacturing components, Conde said, and can get as large as 5 megawatts before the technology becomes impractical. But with potential applications seen at landfills-- where methane gases could generate power as the engine's heat helps evaporate lechates and sewage treatment plants, as well as factories, hotels and hospitals, Conde believes there's a ready market for technology that's been easier to develop than to capitalize. With the aim of raising an additional $7 million in investment over the next two years, he says, ``As always, a lot of big people want to get involved, but they want to see it first.'' * Richie Davis The Recorder [EMAIL PROTECTED] *For additional information on Stirling Advantage write to Ricardo Conde [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
David said: In any case, if the water retains certain magnetism, why it's not possible to be detected with a compass for example? I've read studies regarding the retained memory of water, but don't recall where they were published. Perhaps a web search would turn up references. It seems like at least one study related to homeopathic medicines, per an examination of why they remain effective even after their high degree of dilution. Sensitive meters were being used, so a compass may not be sensitive enough to indicate the effect. Please recall also that whether or not such a memory effect has any actual relationship to magnets on fuel lines is unknown. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
David said Yes, Ian. I'm testing (for one year ago) with very very stong neodymium magnets from used DC electric motor. A pair of them are in line fuel, and the other in intake. ... but, as I said before, nothing apparent occurs. Hola David, the orientation of the magnets (south pole facing into the fuel line?) apparently alters their effectiveness. Could you describe how your magnets are arranged on the fuel line? -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Sam said: I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific properties thereof. clip Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general advancement. You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
David said: The orientation (today) is south in fuel lines and north in the air intake. But some time ago, on initial tests, I've reversed poles. My question is: If dyno (and also bio) diesel are'nt magnetic particles or magnetic propierties, how affects a magnet the fuel? Is able with a magnet to dissociate or catalyze some in fuel? Skeptic... David, you may find the web site posted by Sam to be interesting. How it works is still a mystery to me, though I can think of some things which may somehow be related. At the sub-atomic level matter/energy has a magnetic component to it. At the molecular level many molecules have a magnetic moment associated with their polarity. Hence, such molecules will tend to align with the lines of a magnetic field. Even non-polar fluids like organic solvents may still have some small degree of molecular polarity. How it works is not yet defined so far as I know, but in the case of the polar fluid water it also seems that water has the ability to retain a magnetic/energetic 'memory' for a significant period of time. However, perhaps like the competent driver who has no concept of how an engine works, we may still be able to use magnets even if we don't know how they do their 'magic'. We simply need to experiment and learn what does and does not work, like you seem to be doing. Cheers, -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Steve said: James DeMeo is a quack. have you seen http://www.orgonelab.org/xbjdemeo.htm? Pretty Sharp Fellow? at lightening peoples wallets most likely. Steve, you seem to be beyond the bounds of your paradigm. I have no wish to offend you or make you uncomfortable. My apologies for bringing you here. As for the application of magnets to fuel lines, I shall give it a try and report the initial results here when available. I have kept a record of fuel mileage for my diesel-engine Dodge Ram pickup, so there exists a specific baseline for comparison. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** As of today, I've got at least five or so emails from well-meaning folk organizing various gasoline station boycotts, car-free days, power-free days (candles only, please) and other ideas which from my thinking will have absolutely zero affect upon anything, except perhaps making people who participate in them feel a little better. I wish to remind OBRL-news subscribers of a very simple way to save from 5-15% on their automobile gasoline bill, by simply putting strong magnets on the gas line, close to where it enters the carbeurator or fuel-injector. Natural Energy Works formerly sold fancy magnetic fuel treatment devices which cost around $50, and you had to cut your fuel line to have them function. Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with the south-seeking poles directed inward. So you don't have to buy such expensive devices, nor cut into your fuel line. You can put a few dollars of strong magnets on the outside of the existing fuel line, and tape them into place, with similar beneficial results. My Astrovan, a V-6, 4-wheel drive behemoth that is necessary for winter snow at the Greensprings Center, routinely gave around 17 mpg. With the magnets on, the boost was to around 20 mpg, or 3 additional mpg for an increase of around 15%. The magnitude of efficiency boosting seems to vary a bit from car to car, and from region to region. The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar strong magnet will work. Two of them are stacked together on one side of the fuel line, with another two stacked magnets on the opposite side of the line, secured in place with multiple wrappings of black electrical tape. Simple! Double fuel-lines for dual injectors need eight magnets. They sell for around $1 each. Thats a total of eight bucks maximum, plus a few cents for the tape, or an additional $2 for a hose clamp, if you wish to have something more secure than the tape. That's a total cost of around $10 for saving from 5-15% on your gasoline bill, which today can pay for itself in about two or three tank-fulls. Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to believe, so most people don't, but they will plunk down $150 for some other gadget that has a lot of slick brochures and MLM hysteria standing behind them. Open up those $150 devices (for fuel or water treatment) and in many cases you still have the same $4 worth of magnets. You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack, but they have to be stronger than simple refrigerator magnets, strong enough to pinch your skin if you are not careful. Otherwise the field won't penetrate into the fuel line. Get them whereever you want, but Natural Energy Works has been selling these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 plus $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for $12.95. The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or furnace, when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or combustion chambers. Check out the following web site for more information, and also the link recently added that provides the results of scientific studies backing up the magnetic effect. http://www.orgonelab.org/xpmagnet.htm Let's face it, Americans are the biggest energy hogs of the world, and our political leadership have been fiddling while Rome burned, totally failing us for years, on both sides of the political spectrum. Here's something you can do, today, which will directly benefit yourself, and allow you to walk a bit softer on Mother Earth. Boycot Exxon, walk to work and read by candle-light, if you wish, but a lot more can be done with clever considerations, and quite inexpensively. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Steve replied: Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Ha! Hi Steve! ;-) Well... so have you actually tried it, as described in the article? I have viewed this in the same way you just expressed. But, James DeMeo is a pretty sharp fellow. He says it actually works for him. Jeremy just replied that it has worked for him for several years on his water lines. I sure don't have all the right answers, and life has brought many a surprise. Tell you what, let's both try it. Maybe we learn something new and useful in spite of our 'knowledge'. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: thermophotovoltaic technology
Hello fellow biofuelers, The following message was posted on another email list. I do not have this magazine yet. Sounds like this technology might be a god-send if the cost is tolerable. Maybe wrap these cells around IC engines, put them in solar collectors, etc? Sheesh, per the numbers given, one square meter of cells would generate 50 kW of electricity! Too good to be true??? An article in the June issue of Popular Science told about some new technology about to hit the market. These are something like solar cells in that they collect one form of energy and convert it into useable electricity. But these are designed to absorb heat from another source and convert the heat into electricity. They are designing home heating furnaces that have these TPV cells lined around the internal combustion chamber to absorb the heat and convert it into enough electricity. A regular solar cell makes one milliwatt per square centimeter. the TPV cell makes 5 watts of power per square centimeter. One model heating unit already on the market makes enough power to run its own fan, recharge storage batteries, all the while supplying enough heat for the house. The next generation units are predicted to generate enough electricity while heating the home to power the rest of the house's needs and put juice back into the power grid during low energy need times. If they can figure out how to do the same with airconditioning compressors(which also put out a lot of heat), dryers, and stove/ovens, you Californians may not need any new power plants after all :0) -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
Richard said: 1 acre of hemp will prouduce more paper, building material,clotfing,ETC than 20 acres of trees. Do all hemp plants contain THC, or are there varieties which do not contain this compound? -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] TRUE??, Anyone doing it?
Terry said: Tocopherols (vitamin E) are usually taken out of the veggie oil before it reaches the market and turned into biodiesel (RME) Having worked in the pharmaceutical/food supplements industry in the past, I can confirm that natural Vitamin E has a high monetary value. With regard to independent farmer coops which choose to perform their own extraction of oil from their harvested seed, perhaps this type of value-added separation might provide the means to make their extraction operation stand-alone profitable, and also enable the profitable production of biodiesel at prices comparable to with crude-oil-diesel. It seems like those of you associated with independent farmer coops really ought to study this and see if it would make sense to put a seed mill/oil extractor/Vitamin E separator near your grain elevator. Note.. production in the USA of Vit. E for human consumption would require conformance to Good Manufacturing Practices (GMPs) as cited in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel commercialization
Gary said: Could we imagine a next step to begin making biodiesel for the non-road taxed recreational marine market? Or perhaps an even smaller niche -- the wooden boat buffs. Or the set of all schooner schools out there. Just examples, but, where to start??? Supplying biodiesel to agricultural equipment operators could become a sizable non-road-use market. I suspect that, like selling to the recreational marine market, the catch would be the seasonal nature of the business. Winter-time cash flow might be marginal at best. Perhaps one could offset by getting a foothold in the heating oil market. If there are governmental entities in your area who are exempt from road-use tax then this might be another means to establish year-round sales, though a specialized sales effort may be required. The seasonality and dependability of one's sources of VO supply may also need to be considered. Just as a friendly note of caution... Success is not guaranteed regardless of how exciting the prospects may seem at first. Setting aside plenty of time to first carefully prepare a complete business plan is very important for minimizing risk, and enhancing profitability and survivability. The technical aspects of biodiesel manufacture are probably minor relative other factors determining the success or failure of one's biodiesel enterprise. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
Andrew (from Oz) said: Heated centrifuge?? Tell us more. I filter mine in 20 litre batchs through a 5 micron filter bag and since I use 200 litres a week it becomes quite labour intensive and a bit messy. Cheap enough at $6 per bag per 200 litres but there has to be a better way. I run 2 vehicles and a 2kva genset on straight fat. Andrew, I have questions: What filter bags are you using? How big are they? How much pressure is required to push the WVO through these bags, and what is the flow rate? Is the WVO hot (lower viscosity) when you filter it? Perhaps these bags would be suitable for use in the mobile filtration setup I have been working on. Pushing hot WVO through a TP or other type of 5-micron cannister filter requires a significant amount of pressure (40-60 psi), and that pressure requirement creates power and cost challenges. It would help if the pressure requirement could be reduced. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: small diesels and filtering fat
wljohnson said: Go to your local NAPA parts store and ask for an oil filter for a 1967 dodge 3/4 ton truck. I think that's a D50 series. This truck uses two type oil filters, the early version used the type you are looking for. What is the smallest particle size that this filter will remove? Does it have a bypass valve? Most engine oil filters take out particles no smaller than 20 microns, and have bypass valves. Either characteristic renders a filter inadequate for WVO fuel filtration. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:(More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Fred said: I have access to Lexis-Nexis as well as many other catalog services. If you are looking for a specific subject or article I can find it and even mail or e-mail the article direct to anyone. It is what I do for my job. Fred, that is an outstanding offer! Thank you. 8^)) I shall definitely give this a try. Perhaps this coming week I shall be able to get back to the university library and acquire some specific patent numbers and article/publication references for you to locate. Happy Easter to all who observe this holiday, -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] using the gycerlin
Manuel said: I am looking for simple ways of refining the gylcerin from the biodiesel process. I am looking at using a microgas turbine to produce electricity (now they run from diesel), these turbine produce about 30kw/h of electricty but also produce hot gas at about 260 degrees, which I think is close to the boiling point of gylcerine. 1. does anyone know of a simple refining process if I have the heat energy. 2. does anyone know who buys purified glycerine and what are they getting per kg If I recall correctly, glycerol will decompose if heated in open air before reaching its boiling point. To purify you may need to filter to remove color and solids, and heat to drive off water and alcohol. Additional distillation equipment should enable recovery of alcohol. Due to the viscosity of glycerol specialized equipment is required to perform these tasks, and that equipment is likely to be larger and more expensive than the typical do-it-yourselfer will want to get involved with. A biodiesel production process which initially yields a cleaner glycerol byproduct would provide a definite advantage here. Glycerol has numerous uses, but I don't know current buyers and prices. One might be able to use a somewhat clean glycerol byproduct as feedstock for a secondary process of manufacturing glycerine soap. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:(More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Aleks replied: Potassium (calcium - better) ions are said to activate the lipase (or increase activity, dunno which), Iron and zirconium oxides are 'new' ceramics - in various mixes. I think that diat. earth as a carrier is good enough. I've read that someone uses clay as a carrier. Now I would just like to know how to bind it to lipase. I'm researching in this direction. I'm sick of the lye, the multi stage washing, week_long drying-settling, etc. (As soon as I 'showed the money' I got flooded with oil). Yesterday I went to the library of a local university to research the literature on lipase, and was astounded at the HUGE amount of work taking place per this and other enzymes. Just for the first 6 months of last year there are over 600 citations in the chem abstracts index per the specific subject of lipase, triacylglycerol (per lipase and vegetable oils). Most of these studies relate to lipases from bacteria and fungi. Biodiesel is specifically mentioned in a few of the citations, many of the other citations have apparent relevance to biodiesel, and notably, many of the citations relate to patent applications in France, Germany, Japan, China, USA etc. Clearly enzymes in general and lipases in particular are very hot biotechnology subjects. Aleks, the immobilization of lipase on several kinds of substrates was mentioned in numerous citations. After reading a few of the abstracts it became clear why this is a subject of strong interest (and patent activity). Not only does such immobilization make the enzyme recoverable, but it also has the effect of greatly increasing the activity of the enzyme. The lipase catalysis rate was multiplied by 50, 100, even 200 times greater than the same enzyme free in solution. So you ask, is any of this info helpful to the do-it-yourselfers on this list? Sorry, I don't know yet. The library closed at midnight so I had to leave. There is a tremendous amount of info available, though much of it is located in journals which are published in far-away places and probably not found in my local libraries. Cheers, -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:(More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Keith replied: Got any friends with free access to Dialog or Lexis-Nexis? A lot of those abstracts would probably be in there. No such friends that I'm aware of. Actually, the index and abstracts are all assembled together in the multiple volumes of the the ACS Chemical Abstracts, so that part is OK. The main problem is getting at the complete articles or patents which the abstracts are taken from when the source publications are not locally available. For example, some of the lipase immobilization abstracts come from French patents, which I don't have access to (and probably would need to have translated). -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:(More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Keith replied: Does this shed any light? In allowing fats and oils to react with a lower alcohol in the presence of a catalyst to produce a lower alkyl ester of fatty acids by subjecting the triglyceride contained in the fats and oils to exchange reaction, a solid basic catalyst composed of a potassium compound or a calcium compound and iron oxide or a potassium compound and zirconium oxide is used as the catalyst. Yes, what's the source? Well now, we journalists go to prison rather than reveal our sources... :-) I'll tell you when you're 21. O... so that's how the system works!? Well then, I'm older than 21. OK Keith, now it's time for you to fess up per this source and shed more light on us. ;-) From the above description it almost sounds like one could initiate the reaction by stirring the oil/water/lipase/calcium-salt emulsion in an old rusty steel tank. It is obvious that essential info is still missing. I think that diat. earth as a carrier is good enough. Yeah, little animal skeletons, hollow inside. Made of calcium, aren't they? Diatom skeletons are mostly silicon. However, coral is calcium-based. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re:[biofuel] (More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Aleks replied: A small quantity of porcine lipase can be purchased from Worthington http://www.worthington-biochem/com/priceList/L/Lipase.html for US$21. There is also some good info at http://www.worthington-biochem/manual/L/PL.html. Many references are provided, which I have not yet read. Do you know for certain that methyl or ethyl esters would be created by adding alcohol to the lipase/oil emulsion? Yepp. It has been done before. But now there are methods to recover cheaply the overpriced lipase, and this certainly is a way to look at. No harsh chemicals, giant pH leaps, no washing... 'ts the world of wonderdiesel. It can create bio in a watery envyronment (actually it needs some water), creates methyl esters, ethyl esters, butyl esters, iso-propyl esters (the latter are said to be extremely winter friendly) OK, and isopropanol is not so toxic like methanol, and not so government regulated like ethanol. Sounds promising. Where have you seen lipase recovery methods described? Perhaps alcohol would denature the enzyme and shut down the reaction? Short chain alcohols can damage unstabilized enzymes. But if I can get the lipase to sit on little pieces of ceramics? Yes, I too have seen references to coating enzyme on a solid substrate, but don't know how the process is done. Aleks, is a university located anywhere near you? BTW, where are you? There are three small universities within 50 miles of me. When there is time I will stop in at one of them to see what relevant citations can be found in the chem abstracts, etc. Here in Idaho the U of I would likely be an excellent resource, but their campus is a several-hour drive from my home. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re:[biofuel] (More efficient )way of making biodiesel
Aleks said: I've looked at the pictures and it seems to be a lipase catalyzed reaction, hence the totally pure-looking glycerine. The murkiness of the mixture is probably due to a water solution of the enzyme, the water is then removed with the glycerine (lipase is active only in a water solution, I'm told). It doesn't hurt the process, because ther is no lye around and it doesn't have to be washed, at least not hard. Remaining methanol could be left to evaporate, ant the settled ester used immediately. The question is, is it as cheap as standard processes? How do you obtain stabilized lipase at a fair price? Cheers, Aleks P.s. : it looks very elegant though, if I can get some lipase I'll surely try it. A small quantity of porcine lipase can be purchased from Worthington http://www.worthington-biochem/com/priceList/L/Lipase.html for US$21. There is also some good info at http://www.worthington-biochem/manual/L/PL.html. Many references are provided, which I have not yet read. Do you know for certain that methyl or ethyl esters would be created by adding alcohol to the lipase/oil emulsion? Perhaps alcohol would denature the enzyme and shut down the reaction? -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re Biodiesel Costs
only 200 proof anhydrous pure ethanol (not denatured) can be used for biodiesel. engines running on alcohol will run on much less stringent requirements. I seem to recall that the denaturant used in ethanol is methanol, in order to render it unfit to drink and difficult to re-separate. If this is true, and if the ethanol is still anhydrous after the addition of methanol, then perhaps denatured ethanol might still be good for making biodiesel. This needs to be verified. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 3/18/01
Separately, Capstone announced that it will be delivering 141 of the versatile 30 kilowatt MicroTurbines - a $4 million sale - to a partnership of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) and other agencies in Southern California. To be installed as distributed generation capacity to relieve strain on the area grid, the turbines will supply 4 megawatts of power - enough for 4000 homes. Visit Capstone at http://www.microturbine.com/ . H... 4 megawatts for 4000 homes... that's only 1000 watts per home. 141 turbines yielding 30,000 watts each = 4.23 MW total, OK. However, about 1000 watts/home seems much too small to be correct. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Grass Biofuel Pellets
Grass Biofuel Pellets: Assessing the potential to respond to North America's energy concerns March 23, 2001 by R.Samson, R. Jannascha and T. Adams Yes, what a totally outstanding idea!! If you have ever observed a range fire it will be obvious that there is a tremendous amount of energy stored in the grass. As happens every Spring, two days ago I burned off some areas thickly covered with dry tall bunch-grass, and could not get within 30 feet of the flame front due to the intensity of the heat. Given that machines are actually now available to economically convert dry grass into a useful form, it seems like it should not take long to substantially reduce petroleum imports and consumption. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Occam's Razor
The following site may be educational: http://www.weburbia.com/physics/occam.html -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Novak's Baby - missing link
Andrew said: With all the renewed interest in water injection systems I thought I had better try this myself...but the link on the WebConx page no longer works. Has anyone got this info? Has anyone tried this on diesel engines, maybe with a pump to provide pressure for injection? In the Chilton's manual the pressure generated by the fuel injection pump on the Cummins diesel in my Dodge pickup is given as about 8,000 psi (59,000 kPa)!! Yeow! Experimentation with direct water injection is for someone braver than me. ;) -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ We give away $70,000 a month! Come to iWin.com for your chance to win! http://us.click.yahoo.com/olMXHC/BJVCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Jerry - aquatic generator
Jerry said per the subject Jerry - PDF files: Another project is using my sea, non-dam tidal genorator knowledge to scale them up to utility size for use in the Gulf Stream, rivers and bays. The first ones were built to give electricity for anchored sail/ liveaboard boats. It genorates when sailing too. I just finished an electric outboard for a 25' sailboat that recharges the propulsion batteries by sailing or anchored in a tidal stream.. Very interesting. I live along the Snake River and have wondered if there could be a dependable way to generate electrical energy from the river's flow. A dam or diversion is not practical. The river does not normally freeze over in winter, but water levels do vary seasonally. I envision a paddle-wheel mounted on a floating platform, but don't really know what mechanisms would be best. Jerry, your project seems similar. Can you suggest related info sources? -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Introduction-lurker
Tim Castleman said: So, this is what I have been working on here in sunny, irrigated Arizona. The Maricopa Ag center produced a world record 14 ton per acre of kenaf. One of the PHD guys that was in on it is a friend, and eager to proceed. We have about 400,000 irrigated acres historically used for cotton, 300+ days per year sunshine and a dry climate that eliminates any feral population issues and enhances fiber seperation during processing. Some years back I attended an annual convention in Dallas of the Kenaf growers association, then tried growing Kenaf. It grew, but the growing season is not long enough here in Idaho to get good yields. I was primarily interested in the possibility of growing various species of mushrooms on the material remaining after fiber separation. You may want to consider this possibility yourself. It might add to profitability, and perhaps the byproduct could still be used for energy production or sold as a protein-enhanced cattle feed supplement. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cellulose Conversion
Robert said: The other avenue is considerably more ambitious. I've thought of MAKING my own acid in the same manner that I make my own sodium hydroxide--that is, mixing water with sulfur and bubbling some air through it. I'm not sure this will work either. Perhaps someone on the list with a chemistry background might offer some assistance in this regard. This site may be of interest: http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/3c/03c78000.htm -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerol purification
Terry said: Insofar as I can gather, they are using a permanent catalyst - some polymerised something. Hmmm, or perhaps a 'polymerase' something, as in enzyme?? Enzyme processing is tricky. Each enzyme likes a different thing, so yields differ greatly with the use of different enzymes. There is a paper somewhere I found, but didn't keep it. I don't know what paper that is, but yes, that fits what I first learned. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerol purification
Malcolm said per the subject: soybean oil press/extractor to process soybeans for bio-diesel: I saw a web page a little while ago of two guys who claimed to be able to extract the glycerin as a food quality product. As such it was said to be a very valuable side product. This was obviously for commercial scale production and what was involved I don't know. Do you know what the URL was for that web site? I have recently looked into the process of purifying the crude glycerol, and it appears that the main steps would be 1) filtration, 2) vacuum evaporation/distillation. The equipment required to perform these steps needs to be appropriate per the high viscosity of glycerol, and would likely be much too expensive for the DIY'er. However, it might be practical for even a relatively small commercial biodiesel producer. Installing such equipment would require more capital plus a little more operational expertise, but it would convert process waste/expense into an additional product/profit. Perhaps the economics of this would yield a more favorable price for commercial biodiesel. A number of estimates for the cost of commercially produced biodiesel have been cited on this list. Does anyone know if the disposition of the crude glycerol byproduct was factored into any of these estimates, and what the rational was if so? -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerol purification
Hi Keith and Terry, Thanks for the feedback. There are some puzzles in that article about the work of Fox and Ginosar. I had briefly explored the idea of using microorganism-derived or digestive-related enzyme catalysts, but was not impressed by what I initially found. The catalysts were quite expensive, and the yields and process conditions seemed unfavorable. These fellows must be using some other catalyst. Also, the article mentions Simplot in connection with their work, as though perhaps Simplot would want to assist in carrying this project to completion. Simplot has deep enough pockets to fund the work, generates WVO, and could use a whole lot of biodiesel within their own operations, so it is puzzling why these fellows are still looking for money. I may research further. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Frantz..found it / raw fat
David replied: I believe your biggest problem is likely to be caused by the temperature of the oil going in and coming out of the unit. With a little thought it should be quite easy to make up and fit a heater possibly in the form of an electric blanket around the cylinder otherwise you may have some problems in the winter. The 2 WVO tanks will be heated with engine coolant something like the description in Tickell's book. As envisioned, the pump and filter apparatus would sit in a compartment located above and between the 2 tanks, and an insulated shell would surround the entire setup. Thus filters should be about as hot as the WVO. Heating in winter is a definite requirement here in Idaho, USA. As John has suggested I would close the by-pass down and get rid of it. From their reply it seems that Frantz filters do not come with by-pass valves. I have not actually seen one yet. Since the setup will use single-pass filtration a by-pass would defeat the purpose. What pressure does the workshop manual quote for the Cummins? The Chilton's manual states the engine rebuilding specs for the 1989-1993 5.9 L Cummins diesel engine as: Engine Lubrication Pressure at curb (min): 6 psi (41.4 kPa) Pressure at 3000 rpm:30-80 psi (207-552 kPa) Pressure drop from a clogged filter: 7-9 psi (48.3-62.1 kPa) If you can get the entry oil contaminant particles down to 30-35 micron the unit should do an excellent job with each filter lasting quite a reasonable time between changes. A removable cage made of metal window screen may be fitted into the receiver tank to catch macroscopic particles. A typical spin-on engine oil filter may go in-line before the Frantz filter, if the spin-on filter's by-pass valve can be easily defeated. The Racor filter mentioned in Tickell's book may be an alternative option. Hopefully this 3-stage filtration will not plug up too quickly. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] global warming
It is delightful that folks on this list are able to discuss a wide spectrum of subjects in a thoughtful and informed manner with so little rancor. Clearly there are groups of intelligent people who are concerned about global warming. Plausible scenarios have been published to show the possible existence of this phenomenon, and possible consequences have been suggested. Yet, it appears that this process lacks a solid objective foundation and body of proof. Is it possible that a lot of intelligent folks are barking up the wrong tree? A historical review shows that this has happened many times before. Perhaps more to the point, does this 'suggestion' of global warming by itself justify the forcing of significant social and economic changes? If not, then what benefits accrue to those people who actively sell this issue? Still just wondering... That aside, it seems like the case for using biofuels endures for other better established reasons than global warming concerns. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methane Hydrate
Hi Warren In your opinion then, what is the selling of global warming based on? Ed Ed, I don't clearly know. I am not by nature a skeptic, yet am quite skeptical with regard to some of the 'big scares' in the news today. There seems to be too much junk science and guesswork conclusions offered up in support of these scares. As I understand it the theory of global warming was originally based on an interpretation of data from ground-level monitoring stations. Scare stories in the media then began. Subsequent study of temperature data acquired from satellites failed to support this theory. So why has global warming assumed the appearance of truth in the public perception? A desire to secure large amounts of taxpayer funding for 'scientific research' may be relevant, and fearful people can be manipulated. A similar motivation seems to be involved with the selling of HIV as the cause of AIDS. Viruses are identified by pure isolation, photomicrography and crystallization, none of which have been accomplished with HIV. A while back Keith posted on this list some good info pertinent to junk science. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methane Hydrate
David said per the subject Methanol Help: Terry mentioned methane hydrate, the solid stuff. With global warming now inevitable, it is important that these rich resources of fossil fuel should be captured for use soon, otherwise they will vaporise to methane in the atmosphere and become a VERY potent cause of further warming. We've got a positive feedback timebomb with this stuff! I am not familiar with this subject of methane hydrate on the edge of the continental shelves. However, I strongly suspect that long before such time as the oceans heat up enough for this stuff to vaporize in-situ the issue of human survival on this earth would be quite moot. Dare I say it, FWIW I am not yet convinced that 1) a long term global warming trend is taking place, nor 2) that human activity is significantly responsible for global warming (if it exists), nor 3) that human activity could diminish global warming (if it exists). Perhaps the motivation for the selling of global warming is based on something other than sound science. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Andrew
I did not previously explain the danger as well as Stephen just did, but should have. There are situations where using exhaust heat might make good sense, but this arrangement is not one of them. Testing Murphy's Law in this way puts lives at risk. Stephen said: Don't strap a fuel line onto an exhaust pipe. You would have liquid-high pressure vapor-liquid,along the line.The fuel in the section of line strapped to the exhaust would turn to high pressure vapor,which would push the liquid fuel out of the line,towards the engine and back into the tank. If the line held the pressure you would have a vapor lock at the least. If the line burst,and the vapor released under pressure,ignited there would be an inferno.It's the vapor that burn's so well -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] converting to straight WVO
Terry said: Ever thought of using Yorkshire solder joints? Then use the split plastic foam tubing that plumbers use. I'm guessing that 'Yorkshire solder joints' refers to L-shaped solder-on pipe fittings, correct? That would provide nicely angled bends and be easy to do. However, foam tubing insulation would not heat and liquify cold WVO in the fuel line when starting up on a cold day. Trying to slip hose over abrupt angles could be a real challenge. Maybe you like your fun in a hammock, standing up? Sorry, I don't understand. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982692603/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] buying chemicals
There have been a number of posts asking about where to get chemicals. I have definite problems with this per my independent studies in mushroom identification and cultivation. What I have learned may be helpful to folks on this list. About a year ago the US feds really tightened up their regulation of everyone who engages in retail sales of chemicals. Supposedly this was done in an effort to thwart the manufacture of illicit drugs. About the same time the transportation classification of many chemicals was changed to 'hazardous', meaning that any chemicals so labeled are very expensive to transport. Transportation charges for smaller quantities of Sodium or Potassium Hydroxide (corrosive), for example, will greatly exceed the value of the product. Hence, mail-order purchases are impractical. Many chemical distributors who used to sell chemicals at retail to private individuals will no longer do so. The regulatory hurdles are just too much hassle for them. Hence, you can no longer buy many chemicals even if you walk in the door of their shop. The chemical retailer in my area will no longer sell chemicals of any kind to private individuals. In order to purchase one must open up a commercial account with them, meaning that one must have a licensed business. So, what does a private individual do? 1) Create a business, with all the attendant formalities, set up an account. 2) Order chemicals via a cooperative friend's business. 3) Buy the chemicals from sources other than a retail chem/lab supplier, if one can be found. NaOH is sold as drain opener at the local market. Methanol is sold by some petroleum product distributors. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982361701/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] converting to straight WVO
I recently purchased a '92 Dodge pickup with a Cummins diesel engine. The plan is to convert it to run on straight WVO in accordance with the description given in From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank. However, a few elements of the conversion described in that book may be changed. It would be appreciated if you would comment on any problems you see per the following changes. The setup for WVO would be as follows: Two insulated tanks for WVO are placed in the forward bed of the pickup. Both tanks will be heated and have sloped bottoms with drain valves at the lowest points. Heat will be provided by engine coolant hoses routed to the tanks. The first tank has a hinged, sealed lid to accept WVO direct from the restaurant barrel. No preprocessing of the WVO is done. The lid is tight fitting and well sealed to prevent leakage during vehicle movement. During winter here in Idaho the WVO is solid, so it is transferred into the tank by shovel. During warm weather the WVO is pumped into the tank. A removable screen in the tank captures larger solids. After melting of the WVO trapped water sinks to the bottom of the tank and is drained off as needed. A pump transfers the heated WVO from the first tank to the second tank, pushing the WVO through a filter as it goes. Perhaps this filter could be a typical spin-on type engine oil filter. The second tank holds the filtered WVO and feeds it to the engine. It is closed except for a typical fuel tank cap which provides for pressure relief and inspection. A fuel line within a coolant hose transfers the WVO from the second tank to the engine compartment. In the book this fuel line is described as 1/2 OD high-density polyethylene tubing. This seems like a less-than-optimal material because it softens above 160 degF. Copper tubing might crimp, so teflon or PVDF tubing might be better. -- The book indicates that this 1/2 OD fuel line runs inside a 5/8 ID coolant hose (to keep the WVO hot). This means that the hose cross-section available to transport coolant fluid is only about 1/4 of an unobstructed 5/8 hose. Thus the flow of coolant would be greatly reduced, and this flow is what heats the 2 WVO tanks. It may be better to use a 3/4 ID coolant hose instead as this would provide a cross-sectional area for coolant flow which is about 3/4 of an unobstructed 5/8 hose. Hopefully appropriate fittings can be found. The book indicates that the WVO fuel line and the existing diesel fuel line are both routed into the engine compartment where they are connected to a solenoid valve which switches between either fuel source. The output from this valve is connected to the fuel filter which then feeds the injector pump. -- This arrangement may be changed. It seems like if the fuel filter contains cool diesel fuel, and the valve is switched to supply WVO, then the incoming WVO would congeal and harden in the filter upon contacting the cool diesel fuel, thus causing an obstruction. It is unclear if heat from the engine would prevent this from happening in cold weather. -- What may be done instead is to route the WVO fuel line into a second (heated) fuel filter. The (insulated) output lines from each filter are connected to the solenoid valve, which then connects to the injector pump. This way if the WVO filter gets plugged the vehicle is not rendered inoperable. Your comments and criticisms are most welcome. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982375325/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Check out FREE ELECTRICITY! Register your home for use of our alternative ene
Greg said: You should have used a credit card when purchasing the product. If its a scam and you won't get a tape, you can tell your credit card company about the fraudulent act and NOT pay legally. Only time will tell if they will install the product in your home! You may be correct, but I don't expect to get the $6.95 back in any case. Assuming this is a scam, I chose not to give them access to a credit card. This looks like a zero-point energy scam. If they 'subscribe' a fraction of the stated 1.6 million people then the net $ enables a fast and comfortable getaway. Meanwhile, legitimate zpe work gets a black eye. I seek to observe how this 'enterprise' is presented. Cheers, -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982088062/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve said: Dennis Lee is a known con man. A search located the following site which supports this view. http://www.voicenet.com/~eric/dennis.html -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982088068/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Greg said: Why do I smell a scam here? I expect the same, but am curious. I ordered their video tape for $6.95. That order resulted in the following email reply. We'll see what happens next... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:32:21 -0600 Subject: Re: Purchase Order - DB Enterprises From: David W Bridwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I received the following order for the free electric registration. I could take a credit card over the phone or you could send a check to the address below. Be sure to include your name address and phone number. I will record your name, address and phone number on a certificate which will serve as a confirmation that you are registered for the free electricity program with United Community services of America. I will send you a copy and the other copy will go to the Ucsa office. Before the install is to take place a local electrical contractor will contact you to set up the install. An estimated time frame would be towards the end of the year. Thanks Dave Make check out to: DB Enterprises 2803 Greene St. Adel, Iowa 50003 515-993-4619 -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982022611/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: gasahol
I'm not sure as to the degree, but most likely ethanol favors dissolving in water more than in gasoline. Hence, ethanol would be more concentrated in the water layer than in the gasoline layer after mixing. It may even be possible to wash alcohol out of gasoline with water. Chemically the -OH in water and alcohol makes both compounds more polar than is gasoline. Tarvus said: Has anybody ever tried mixing the ethanol and water in an external tank with a conical bottom fitted with a valve and then drained off the water that settles (much like a brewer would drain yeast and trub from his fermenter)? Seems to me this should work and be a low cost/low energy means of solving the problem. Given an accurate hydrometer reading of the ethanol and an accurate measure of the amount mixed, it should be easy to precisely calculate the amount of liquid to draw off in order to capture all the water with no waste of gasahol. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981316844/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Does anyone have any references on how to refine a crude glycerine mix in order to obtain pure glycerine? How do industrial producers do this? -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/980780329/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] madcow
Mad cow disease may be linked to the use of pesticides. Here is an excerpt from a message I received from the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab http://www.orgonelab.org. http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/bovine_spongiform_disease.htm Insecticide Causes Mad Cow Disease - In another article on the same topic as the previous one, we learn that pharmaceutical interests in the UK are ignoring new scientific research that shows the insecticide used in the UK government's own warble-fly campaigns triggered the UK surge of 'Mad Cow' disease, according to this report from http://www.eionews.com/ http://www.eionews.com/ Latest experiments by Cambridge University prion specialist, David R. Brown, have shown that manganese bonds with prions. Other researchers work shows that prions in the bovine spine - along which insecticides are applied - can be damaged by organophosphate (OP) insecticides -causing the disease. http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/17/mad_cow_pesticides.htm Myths Truths About Mad Cow Disease - As an organic farmer, Mark Purdey resisted the order to spray his cattle with organophosphate pesticides for warble fly and went to court for a judicial review. He won and was exempted from using the spray. No cows born in his herd developed BSE (mad cow disease). Read about his fascinating alternative theory of this disease which continues to spread fear across Europe. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
