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[Biofuel] Ethanol V's Methanol

2006-09-04 Thread lres1




Would like to know the advantages if any of using 
Methanol instead of Ethanol in making bio-diesel. It is very easy to make 
Ethanol with down to 15% water. Seems kinda silly to make Ethanol and Methanol 
if Ethanol will do all.
 
Have now got a MPEFI Jeep running on 80% Ethanol 
and 20% water as a straight injection. Have a few bugs to work out but total 
conversion cost is less than US$20.00.
To convert back to RUG is a flick of a switch on 
the dash.
 
This makes more sense now to use the Ethanol 
instead of making Methanol for bio-diesel production as I already make the 
ethanol and it can replace RUG in a MPEFI engine or standard carb engine. I 
still have no replies on how to lacquer or coat an alloy carburetor to stop 
reactions with the Ethanol. At present The system is fully drained and blown 
with compressed air to clear out all water and Ethanol. Would be kinda nice to 
be able to shut the engines off and just walk away and not have the cleaning 
time. 
 
I do not want to get rid of the water in my Ethanol 
replacement for RUG as it gives much more power than RUG at 80 to 85% Ethanol 
and 15 to 20% water mix. The plasticized fuel tanks and lines can handle it all 
the carbs can not.
 
My next step is to try and run 502 C.I. V8 
engines and 351 modified engines and 350 C.I. engines with 4 barrel hollies 
on Ethanol but need to clear up the carb reaction problems with the alloys 
involved.
 
Would like to know how to get to 0.5% water for 
bio-diesel processing. Same question as JJJN I guess
 
Doug 
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2006-08-29 Thread lres1




What to do to keep below the level could be the 
same as what we have done here.
 
Have separated two sections of the property and 
installed a second meter. This means we have two bills per month but will not 
then reach the upper use limit.
 
Would this help in the case below or is it held to 
tight to laws forbidding two meters. Say one for upstairs and a separate 
"apartment" and one for down stairs as a separate apartment/name or 
customer?
 
Just my thoughts.
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Zeke Yewdall 
  
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:53 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per 
  kilowatt hour. PG&
  Hmmm.  How do you get a small home like that to use such 
  an enormous amount of electricity.  The "average" home in Coloado uses 
  about a quarter of that, and one with AC usually are only around 1,200kWh a 
  month or so.  Yes, 113 degrees and humid is pretty hard to deal with, but 
  how efficient is her air conditioner?  Are the window's well 
  shaded.  What color is the roof, and does the attic have a radient 
  barrier and good insulation?  What's the air leakage rate.   
  Did she consider all of these factors when she bought the house? It's seems 
  like she bought a hummer and is now complaining about the cost to buy fuel for 
  it And contrary to the article, she does have a choice, if it's 
  too expensive.   California, in the IOU territories, actually has 
  one of the better PV incentive programs in the state.  Now, if she's 
  using 3,100kWh a month, that would require about a 30kW array, which is too 
  big to fit on most roofs.   However, with some money put into 
  insulation and efficiency, she could probably get completely off of PG&E 
  power with somewhere around 3 to 4kW array, which is the most common size 
  going in in California  PV power is generally around 25 cents a kWh 
  levelized cost, and efficiency negawatts are even lower.  Certainly 
  better than 34.6cents when you hit the third tier of PGE pricing.If 
  there was mention of her having considered the various options for reducing 
  her utility bill, and complaining that she couldn't afford the up front costs 
  of these (which is a legitimate barrier to more widespread acceptance), so was 
  forced to accept her old inefficient stuff which has  higher eventual 
  cost, but no up front cost, then perhaps I'd have more sympathy, but to just 
  whine that the utility is charging too much and playing the victim doesn't 
  extract much sympathy from me. 
  On 8/26/06, Kirk 
  McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
  

http://www.redding.com/redd/nw_local/article/0,2232,REDD_17533_4947248,00.html 

Electric bills give a shock 
PG&E hopes credit will ease surprise over July 
statements 
By Scott Mobley, Record 
SearchlightAugust 26, 2006 
Kathy Heath's July utility bill was as much as a house payment. 
Pacific Gas and Electric Co. charged Heath, of Palo Cedro, $801.03 to 
power her 1,850-square-foot home from June 22 through July 22. Her family of 
four used 3,184 kilowatts that month even though Heath made sure the 
thermostat was never set lower than 78 degrees. 


  
  

  

   

  
One of Heath's 
neighbors faced a PG&E bill last month well over $800, and another's was 
around $900, she said. 

  
  

  Heat stressPeople struggling to 
  keep their lights on in the face of skyrocketing power bills can seek 
  help. Here's where to look for a hand: 
  • Seniors may call Golden Umbrella's Power to Seniors Program, at 
  223-6031. 
  • Low-income residents may call HEAP, or the Home Energy 
  Assistance Program, on Tuesdays, at 378-6900. 
  • PG&E and Shasta Lake customers may call the Salvation 
  Army's CARES shutoff prevention program, at 222-2207. 
  • REU customers may call the number on their utility bill and ask 
  for the CARES shutoff prevention program. 
  • Customers who have had their power shut off for nonpayment may 
  call the Self Help Home Improvement Program on any weekday, at 
  378-6900, for help with back bills, reconnection fees and deposits. 
  • Low-income households not meeting other agency's assistance 
  criteria may call People of Progress, at 243-3811. 
  "People 
around here are up in arms," Heath said. "But what can you do? If your 
long-distance phone is too expensive you can switch. You don't have that 
option with electricity." 
Heath and her neighbors are feeling PG&E's stair-stepped rate 
structure, where the 2,112th kilowatt-hour is more than three times as 
expensive as the first 700 kilowatt-hours. 
Redding and Shasta Lake charge customers a flat rate no matter how much 
electricity they use. Heath'

Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

2006-08-07 Thread lres1




Can anyone remember in the mid to late sixties 
a conversion to flywheel energy in motor bikes and cars?
 
The test bike was a tad hard to corner due to the 
Gyroscopic effects and did not "lay over" as a standard bike in cornering. 
Needed a hand brake to park as it would not lean onto a stand, again due to the 
gyroscopic effects. Just stood there in the parking lot up right and looking 
real strange with no stand down or visible sign of support.
 
The car proto was a different kettle of fish with 
many types of rotors available.
 
Can any one remember these as they were easy to 
re-charge just run onto a dyna tune set up so the rollers ran the rear wheel 
which put power back into the flywheel. The same as the car and bike on braking 
the power went back into the flywheels. Seems battery storage to produce a 
controlled rotary motion via various means is a slight loss compared to 
maybe a rotary system already running just needing the control which the 
batteries would need as well. Not sure how far the idea got or why it was 
scrapped but seems not to be about any more.
 
The concept of the stored energy seemed good at the 
time. No PV cells needed.
 
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael Redler 
  
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:55 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What 
  will you be driving?
  
  Mike, I agree and certainly wouldn't rule anything out, especially 
  with places like Berkley Labs developing PV with 50+ percent 
  efficiencies.However, emerging energy storage technologies (like the 
  supercap technology mentioned by Kirk), suggest a quick "fill up" and puts 
  into question the need for any other on-board energy conversion technologies 
  (i.e. solar, liquid fuel/IC engines, etc.).I'd imagine that nearly 
  every renewable and alternative energy scheme being discussed is now a 
  possibility since fast electrical storage could turn our attention 
  to stationary sources and not those which necessarily need to be integrated 
  into the vehicle.- RedlerMike Weaver 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  But 
it would add a huge degree of efficiency,If the funds were there I'd 
enhance the battery back and include capacitors. My noodling was with an 
old Isuzu Trooper - lots of room up top for panels, and a lot of sre 
room to tinker.Here's one person's expiriment: 
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/solar-powered_t.phpKirk 
McLoren wrote:> The photovoltaics are non essential. In fact it 
is arguable that non > concentrating cells are not a viable renewable 
enrgy source.> The diesel on the other hand is the obvious answer and 
it is odd the > hybrids are gasoline.> The battery bank would 
be better replaced with supercap technology > such as Skeltons (in 
prototype phase) but in the meantime we will have > to muddle 
through.> Kirk>> */Ron Peacetree 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> Back on the actual subject 
listed as the topic of this thread...>> A little digging has 
convinced me that a diesel-electric hybrid w/> photovoltaic cells on 
the the hood/roof/trunk could easily be the> basis for vehicles that 
could completely replace the traditional> gasoline/diesel based 
ground/water vehicles currently in use at> acceptable levels of 
performance, economy, etc.>> (Air travel vehicles operate 
under more stringent constraints that> I'm not sure this 
"diesel/electric w/ PV assist" power supply idea> could 
satisfy.)>> A rotary diesel motor could supply as much as 2HP 
/ liter; perhaps> more if optimized for constant rpm.>> 
The battery problem should be solved by using fuel cells since> they 
provide far more energy per unit weight.> Until fuel cells are 
available, there are many new ideas for> increasing even the 
efficiency of the "standard": the lead-acid> battery (spin off 
company from Case or John Deer that gets ~2x the> power/weight out of 
lead acid batteries IIRC?) that could fill in.> For applications not 
as economically constrained, the "exotics"> like Li-ion are of course 
an option.> However, fuel cells seem to best any battery technology 
I've heard of.>> PV cells of as high as 42% efficiency are now 
reality; and I'm> told by people in the that business that mass 
production would> _significantly_ reduce their costs.>> 
This is a recipe for, say, a car, that fits all the constraints a> 
normal consumer would have... ...and gets 100-200mpg while doing 
it.>> With these kind of fuel efficiencies and a little common 
sense as> to what crops to use as the basis for biodiesel (ultimately 
I> would think that a crop bred/engineered to be specialized 
for> bio-diesel production would be the best solution...), the 
amount> of farmland required for growing the crops needed to produce 
the> biodiesel needs of a country would be _far_ less than an

Re: [Biofuel] Why genetic engineering is dangerous

2006-08-07 Thread lres1

Why not look at removing all left hands and genetically installing all right
arms as most use right arms and thus they are stronger and more use in the
work force. Why not remove and replace the nose so it does not pick up bad
smells, surely the technology is there to GE the body of each individual?
Now who is going to volunteer? Once the money to support GE and GM gets
rolling the ball will not stop.

GE, GM or any other such is just another road to the dark pit no matter how
the picture is painted the abuse is inherent already. Sadly we now have
China into export of GE to very poor countries in the form of
aid/trials/experiments with promises of enormous increases in crop
gains?
Doug

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From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why genetic engineering is dangerous


> Hi Keith ;
>
>-cut-
> > These critical remarks should be read in light of
> > growing evidence of
> > extremely serious impacts on health, environment and
> > the livelihoods
> > of Third World farmers. A European regulatory
> > requirement for genetic
> > safety testing, which is not required in Canada or
> > the US, has
> > revealed genetic instability in many GM crop
> > varieties.
> >
> > Scientists are finding harmful impacts on soil
> > micro-organisms,
> > beneficial insects and laboratory animals exposed to
> > genetically
> > modified crops and GE food. Farmers in India are
> > committing suicide
> > by the hundreds in Andra Pradesh and other states
> > because of GM crop
> > failures.
> > (www.navdanya.org/articles/seeds_suicide.htm)
> >
> > People and animals have become ill and even died
> > after consumption or
> > exposure to products containing genetically modified
> > organisms.
> > Unlike traditional plant breeding, in genetic
> > engineering of crops,
> > unrelated organisms, such as bacteria, are snipped
> > apart and sections
> > of their genes inserted into plants with
> > unpredictable results.
>   -cut--
>
> While I agree wholeheartedly with the basis of the
> post, these types of posts seem to suggest that GM
> would be OK if all the problems with the environment
> and harmful effects could be solved.
>
> Sorry for repeating myself ad nausium, but GM is still
> incredibly dangerous even if there were NO harmful
> effects at all and they actually did produce bumper
> crops.  Why?
>
> Answer : By purchasing and using GM products, we are
> supporting and allowing the GM industry to proliferate
> in knowledge, equipment, and people who know how to
> use it.  And there has never been a single instance
> where a new technology has not been siezed by the
> military (and ordinary people as well) and examined
> for every possible method to harm and kill people.  In
> addition to the military, sadly some people have bad
> intentions.  For a small example, consider how many
> computer viruses there are. Who writes a computer
> virus and for what purpose?  Some are for marketing
> and some are solely destructive.  These poeple have
> taken a positive force (computers) and turned it into
> a highly negative and destructive force.
>
> These posts worry about accidental side effects.  I am
> talking about deliberately designing an organism whose
> effect will be to kill people (either through disease
> or starvation or some other mechanism).
>
> So don't worry so much about the accidental side
> effects (which undoubtedly can be significant).  Worry
> much more about the deliberate side effects from
> militaty usage where the goal is to kill people.  If
> the accidental side effects of GM are disastrous, how
> much more so will the results of deliberate harmful
> and destructive actions by individuals or the
> military?
>
> BR
> Peter G.
> Thailand
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

2006-07-30 Thread lres1

Castor still has the Ricin problem. can any one let
me know how to destroy this by product in the mash?
I need to process for oil enough seeds to supply
200 liters/day of castor oil. The Ricin in two seeds are enough to kill a person
depending on the type of ingestion in 2 to 7 days. There is no antibiotic or
antidote to Ricin and thus is classed as ingredients for WMD.
Jatropha is okay and is good for ground
stabilization and many other uses but it has toxins. So far on this list I have
not found any place site or information on where to buy Mexican non-toxic
Jatropha seeds, I am beginning to think that they are a myth after 6 months
searching. 78 + varieties of Jatropha and no one can supply non-toxic
variety seeds?
Old rice is realizing us close to 30 liters of
wet Ethanol per 24 kilos of broken and destroyed grain.
Doug

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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What
will you be driving?

1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic
distillation.
KirkJason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WHAT!?!?!?!?!?>
Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But it would
> be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and
ethanol > would require putting three times the productive farm land
in >Iowa toward > nothing but the production of fuel just to match
what we currently import. > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole
problem. Trouble is, that much farm > land is not readily available.
There's also >the little nit of figuring > out what we eat while
every scrap of land is busy working for our gas > tanks.>
Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals in regular
> cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we
can > shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates
>ethanol from > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the
amount of ethanol in their > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers
have been adding small flex-fuel > vehicles that can run on anything
from E0 to >E100. Zap is bringing at > least one of these vehicles
to US consumers next year.im all for the efficiency argument, but
COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt anyone believe in using something OTHER than corn
and soy? they are NOT the best feedstocks anyone could use for fuel!
move to a better supply, not a higher yield. this is ridiculous! if the
supply was a high density stock the land requirement would be
porportionally lower.for diesel replacement assume we used castor in
the USA:-oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48
gallons of soy oil.-THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the
need for more than 3 acres of soy.which means those other 2 acres of
new empty field could be used for food or- OH NO! TREES!for
gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good, but more
climate friendly) in the USA:-ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per
acre compared to 214 gallons of corn ethanol-THEREFORE one acre of
sugarbeets would eliminate the need for 1.9 acres of corn.you see
where im going with this?by selective breeding of some of the more
tropical varieties of high density stock, we can slowly push the growing
regions further north, increasing the supply density, and lowering the
acreage needed to supply the same amount. WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR
FUEL! i might be raving like an idiot, but noone can seem to understand
that corn and soy are not the only crops in the
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Re: [Biofuel] EPA seizes thousands of illegally imported engines

2006-07-20 Thread lres1

How would it look "Green engines seized by customs through non compliance
with pollution laws" H. (not enough pollution perhaps). Definitely not
Chevrinn friendly.

Can't see any reason why not if an engine specifies only Bio fuels in big
red warning signs then Yo. They will not be outside the environmental
parameters required for import. They would need the details of the fuel and
perhaps a summary/log of the exhaust gases from one that had run on Bio and
a noise certificate but can see no reason at all why not.

Doug

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> can they do that? that would be a fantastic technicality! i do so solemnly
> swear to use biofuels in my imported engine... so step off georgie-boy!
> Jason
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> > Why weren't the engines labeled for Bio-Fuel use only or some such. "For
> > use
> > with bio-fuels only". We run many Chinese engines here on Bio-Diesel.
> >
> > Doug
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Re: [Biofuel] breakthrough - store CH4 at 500psi instead of 3600

2006-07-20 Thread lres1

I was also under the impression that Acetylene for
decades has been kept at reasonable pressures in the cylinders due to the carbon
or Kapok filling. I was also to understand that at above 15 psi Acetylene was
unstable and thus the need to use a filler to react with the gas.
Can some one put me to rights on this. If the above
is so then such cylinders have been around for as above decades and thus the
carbon, active carbon and Kapok are very old technology.
Active carbon filters are also used in some water
treatment systems that have been around for many years. can some one out there
confirm this also.
Doug

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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:20
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] breakthrough -
store CH4 at 500psi instead of 3600
You can get it made out of all kinds of things: wood, coal,
coconutshells, etc etcand if you look on the University of Missouri
website, you findthis abstract:
"Synthesis and analysisof activated
carbon briquettes as an adsorbent for natural gas byDemetrius
Taylor Presented at the 2005
SummerUndergraduate Research and Creative Achievements ForumABSTRACTActivated
carbon has been usedfor many years for its adsorptive properties. These
adsorptiveproperties are a result of its high surface area to density ratio.
Itachieves this through its activation process. During activation anetwork of
pores forms throughout the carbon matrix. These pores givethe carbon a very
large surface area for outside molecules to adsorbto. By maximizing the
distribution of different pore widths one cantailor the carbon to adsorb
molecules of differing sizes and duringvarious conditions. Our goal is to
develop a natural gas (95% methane)fuel tank that uses corncob produced
activated carbon as an adsorptivemedium. To do this we need to maximize the
distribution of porediameters that are between 1~2 nanometers (10~20
Angstroms). We arecurrently studying different activation methods and their
effect onthe carbon’s adsorptive properties. We have obtained
volumetricnitrogen and methane isotherms, gravimetric methane analysis
data,both scanning and tunneling electron micrographs, and small-anglex-ray
analysis data obtained from Argonne National Labs. From thisdata we have begun
producing activated carbon briquettes that willform the “core” of our tank. We
hope to expand the use of thesebriquettes to not only automotive fuel tanks
but to natural gastrapping and storage as well."
(http://undergradresearch.missouri.edu/events/conferences/abstracts/abstract-detail.php?abstractid=533
)And notice that the opening words are "activated carbon." So
Kirk,here's your affirmationAlso noteworthy is that there's this
other abstract on theUniversity of Missouri website: "Fuel system design foran Adsorbed
Natural Gas Vehicle byAntonio
Howard Presented at the 2005
SummerUndergraduate Research and Creative Achievements ForumABSTRACTWith
energy and environmentalconcerns mounting as the global energy demand
increases, alternativefuels are drawing more and more attention. Natural gas
is one suchalternative fuel. However, the major shortcoming of natural gas
isthat it must be highly compressed in order to store at a comparableenergy
density to liquid fuels. For this reason, The Alliance forCollaborative
Research in Alternative Fuel Technology (ALL-CRAFT) aimsto develop
low-pressure, high-capacity storage technologies fornatural gas (methane).
Midwest Research Institute (MRI), an ALL-CRAFTpartner, is assigned the task of
developing a fuel tank and fueldelivery system for a natural gas-powered
vehicle modified to storethe natural gas using adsorbed natural gas (ANG)
technology. Thedesign work done thus far has dealt with the logistics of
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fuel system of a 2005 Honda Civic GX will be modified byinstalling an ANG fuel
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withemphasis on maximizing mileage from ANG tank use. Moreover, the CNGtank
will be equipped to simultaneously fuel the engine and refill theANG tank upon
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Re: [Biofuel] EPA seizes thousands of illegally imported engines

2006-07-19 Thread lres1

Why weren't the engines labeled for Bio-Fuel use only or some such. "For use
with bio-fuels only". We run many Chinese engines here on Bio-Diesel.

Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil

2006-07-11 Thread lres1

The Enfield Diesel made in India is not a bad looking machine, don't know
how they handle but they seem quite okay. The petrol versions are used with
all sorts of configurations.

A few years back Enfield had to meet their domestic market before exports so
they were pretty hard to come by in any form. Not sure now if policy has
changed.

Doug
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Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil

2006-07-11 Thread lres1




There are some pretty good electric bikes about, 
made in Thailand, China, New Zealand and such. There are some fuel injected 
bikes that can be run on Ethanol. The costs of bikes being what they are, in the 
cheap small cc line, make them ideal for home "practices". My first attempt was 
an electric bike in the early 70"s. Electric's depend on distances and load 
carrying. Amazed the speed some of the "Razor" electric bikes get up 
to.
 
The Jawa was run on Ethanol and caster oil as a 
dirt bike long before the Jap bikes got into the market real. My 350 Jawa, 
single carb twin cylinder, is not so easy to start on petrol and oil mix 
after a long period of sitting. Not sure how this would affect it if ethanol was 
used. 
 
Doug 

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  i would rather be independent from fossil fuels. Unfortunately, due to the 
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Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for oil

2006-07-10 Thread lres1




To a certain degree the engine revolutions pay a 
part in the economy of an average speed trial. At 55 if the engine is not under 
load but running at say 4,000 RPM it is not as efficient as the same vehicle and 
engine set up to run at 2,000 RPM.
 
The "Box" Landrovers SI, SII SIIA and SIII with the 
4 cylinder petrol engine were often run with the timing firing after TDC. This 
made them able to deliver real low down torque and thus operate well in 4 WD 
sandy or muddy conditions. However the cruising speed was easy at about 45, any 
higher and the engine was drinking fuel like it was gasping. Hence a lot of such 
landrovers were fitted with Overdrive units to reduce the cruising RPM and 
increase the cruising speed to 60.
 
Was asked how to get better top speed from a VW on 
the highway and what was the cheapest way to do this. Fit larger diameter tyres 
within reason. Same for City driving smaller tyres. This changes the gear ratios 
and is cheap and easy to return to original or either side of standard. 

 
You will need to understand that the larger the 
tyre the higher the vehicle the less drag to the ground and thus the more 
instability. The lower the car the better the stability and adherence to the 
suction effect to the ground. Perhaps this is why in the last ten years 15 inch 
rims have become the norm and not so the older 14inch rims in many vehicles. 
Subaru run 15 inch in small cars, other go as high as 17 inch rims. True this 
gives low profile tyres but also increases the cruising speed a 
tad.
 
Have never seen the statistics of a table of the 
air pressure in tyres at a set 60 MPH. At a set cruising speed what are the 
differences of starting at say 10PSI in the tyres and going in 5PSI steps up to 
80 PSI. Have never seen a table that gives the optimum type pressure for speed 
in a standard every day driver such as VW or such. Is such a tabulation 
available some place? Tyres eat fuel and thus the pressure must be right to 
reduce this to a minimum but no manufacture mentions what pressure for economy, 
only safety or recommended pressures. The flex in the walls of a radial ply eat 
energy fast, is a heavier 8 ply wall better than a 2 ply wall for 
economy?
 
Have not seen any where a formula for height to 
ground ratios that reduce drag? That is the optimum height if a car from the 
ground to have the least ground adherence and thus drag and friction as the wind 
is drawn over the car. 
Doug 

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  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:06 
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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] shedding fat for 
  oil
  I'm curious about something.  In particular the concept of 
  limiting top speed to 55mph.   I understand this being important on 
  any car build/imported into the US before the speed limit change in the mid 
  90's.  However, have car companies not modified their timing/ratios on 
  the transmissions of vehicles built after this point in time?  (I drive a 
  1990 Camry so the top speed of 55mph is what I try to stick with, but I am 
  curious about newer cars).   I know the adage about 55mph is from 
  before the speed limit change; and it seems simple for the car manufacters to 
  change the ratios to move the best ratios up to a 60 or 65mph area rather then 
  55mph.   Just curious Jonathan
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bought the VW.  I don't fit into > Miatas, tho'.I 
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Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008

2006-07-07 Thread lres1

Probably the biggest problem is that the drivers are "car" drivers in a lot
of SUV's. Once a training course has been accomplished for SUV drivers the
drivers are much more aware. In snow and other slippery surfaces the SUV is
much slower, or should be driven slower than a low slung sedan. AWD does not
help in cornering especially with diff locks or LSD systems. These are very
hazardous in snow and wet hard packed clays. If the driver of an SUV
understands he is driving a truck and not a car he is half way to surviving
and so are those in his path. Understand your vehicle, understand your self
and reactions, then learn to drive.

4WD stops vehicles cutting up tracks such as forming corrugations in sand,
in dry river crossings etc where the wheels in a rear wheel drive only will
have axle tramp that will destroy the track for the next 2WD.

The EU here has many Landrovers with non lipped rims fitted with tubeless
tyres, what morons, asking for a tyre to peel off when under lateral
loading. This is what TA's are paid to teach? The suspension in SUV's should
be set to the conditions, tyres should be set to the conditions the driver
must at all times know what combination of vehicle their life and others is
depending on. It is not so much the fault of the SUV's they are part of my
every day work and very much needed, drivers or would be drivers and lack of
understanding are the major causes of problems. Have rallied a 2WD across
one of the worlds biggest deserts but the same vehicle would not even look
at the every day work here where we use snow chains in the tropics and
difflocks and large mud grippers.

How many on this list have accomplished slide control and defensive driving?
How many have done the same in your standard SUV? Not many. An aid
organization here has diff locks fitted to their vehicles front and rear.
There is no way these SUV's will deter from a straight line in mud. Do not
get the SUV banned, they have their place, only trouble is sales sells to
those who can't drive them, sales is the important agenda not safety to the
industry. Perhaps to drive or own an SUV a different license should be
required to cover aspects of the SUV lineup. Again don't knock the SUV look
at the drivers and their skills. The more said about the safety of the SUV
the more regulations that will kill them and if we like it or not they are
needed.

My thoughts and experiences.
Doug

From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008

> As I keep telling people, all 4WD does is get youy moving.  You'd be
> amazed at the number of people that think it allows you to drive faster
> in the snow due to "better all weather handling".  These are the same
> morons that put high octane gas in their Civics for more power...
>
>
>
> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
> > Around here I've certainly seen more SUV's upsidedown in the creek in
> > the snow than cars...  Just based on how poorly most of even the new
> > SUV's handle in the snow compared to my 20 year old subaru, I'm not
> > really suprised.  High center of gravity, high horsepower, short
> > wheelbase, and bad front/rear weight distribution just isn't too good
> > on icy highways.
> >
> > Z
> >
> > On 7/6/06, *Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > It's a common misperception that SUV's are safer than smaller cars.
> > It's not true look up number of fatalities at iihs.org
> >  or hldi.org...
> >
> > Terry Dyck wrote:
> >
> > >Smart Cars are considered one of the safest cars on the road next
> > to a
> > >Volvo.  The frame is solid steel.  Large SUV's are the most
> > dangerous cars
> > >because they roll easily.  Don't let size determine safety, it
> > does not work
> > >that way.
> > >
> > >Terry Dyck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > 
> > >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > 
> > >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008
> > >>Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:01:51 -0400
> > >>
> > >>I'd stay off the highway, heck, I'm scared to ride my Harley on
the
> > >>interstate...
> > >>
> > >>mark manchester wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I hate to see these things on the highway, looks like people
> > flying along
> > >>>under an umbrella.  Surely can speed along, this is pretty much a
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>four-wheel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>hooded motorcycle.  Incredibly cute, though, and comfy.  Very
> > popular
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>here
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>in Toronto, but there's zero trunk space.
> > >>>Jesse
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >

Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008

2006-07-07 Thread lres1

Maybe in parts of the world the emphasis on the individual being the
smallest particle/denominator in society is attributable to the many
problems thus associated/inherent in the "developed" world. What we do in
work, in development, research, is all nothing but a sidelines, life and
family is the main artery. Here the smallest part of society is the family,
at this stage not divided but the UN, EU and others are trying their
"Development" skills here as well. Individuals on high salaries answerable
to no one racing around in the tax free SUV's telling the rest how to live
with no care in their driving or their passing and the waves that extend as
ripples from their passing affecting what they know not.

The product of an individual is not. The product is what the family has
enabled to take place or to develop and thus the reasons the process the sum
are the product of family and not the individual.

My thoughts.
Doug

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008


> Yeah isn't it a nice feeling to be living in a society of altruists eh?
> NOT!  You can see it in the agressive way they drive too.  People are
> becoming so self absorbed they really don't give a damn about much other
> than their own little world.  It is an attitude which has been carefully
> cutivated by advertisers and sellers of convenience and instant
> gratification. If some of these people acted half as rude and selfish
> while they were say waiting in line for a movie ticket as they do on the
> road safe in their metal cages they would get pummeled! So the people
> who care and want to be nice pay the price (on many levels) for those
> who are selfish and drive a two ton escalade with a carefree attitude.
> Same old same old.
> Sorry maybe I'm in the mood for a cataclysm today. Anybody care to join
me?
>
> Joe
>
> Mike Redler wrote:
>
> > Hey Joe,
> >
> > You wrote: "There's definitely something to be said for having a lot of
mass in the vehicle in an accident though."
> >
> > Absolutely. There is much to be said both above and below the surface.
By that I mean the more visible advantages to the driver of a massive SUV
(at the expense of whoever he/she smashes into) and what motivates people to
buy larger and larger vehicles in the name of "safety". In a culture of
fear, it has the flavor of an arms race.
> >
> > When one makes the argument that SUV's are safer by virtue of their
mass, the only way the argument has any merit is in situations when the
object they hit is movable (again, alluding to a cost to the driver and
passengers of the smaller vehicle).
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Joe Street wrote:
> >
> >>There's definitely something to be said for having a lot of mass in the
> >>vehicle in an accident though. It's not that a small vehicle can't be
> >>made strong but the acceleration felt by the occupants of a light
> >>vehicle is much worse than in a really massive one.
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>Mike Redler wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>That's true even if you don't consider the fact that SUV's in
> >>>combination with the soccer mom's who think they are safer, make
> >>>everyone less safe - including those driving Smarts and Volvos.
> >>>
> >>>Mike Weaver wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> It's a common misperception that SUV's are safer than smaller cars.
> It's not true look up number of fatalities at iihs.org or hldi.org...
> 
> Terry Dyck wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Smart Cars are considered one of the safest cars on the road next to
a
> >Volvo.  The frame is solid steel.  Large SUV's are the most dangerous
cars
> >because they roll easily.  Don't let size determine safety, it does
not work
> >that way.
> >
> >Terry Dyck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008
> >>Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:01:51 -0400
> >>
> >>I'd stay off the highway, heck, I'm scared to ride my Harley on the
> >>interstate...
> >>
> >>mark manchester wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I hate to see these things on the highway, looks like people flying
along
> >>>under an umbrella.  Surely can speed along, this is pretty much a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>four-wheel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>hooded motorcycle.  Incredibly cute, though, and comfy.  Very
popular
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>here
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>in Toronto, but there's zero trunk space.
> >>>Jesse
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>

Re: [Biofuel] hand wash baby bottles and other lexan foodproductscontainers

2006-07-03 Thread lres1




Interesting that doing water sampling for arsenic, 
nitric acid cleaned plasticized test tubes must be used. If water samples 
for arsenic were taken in glass then the water would be contaminated with 
arsenic from the glass in an atomic absorption analysis oven. Even glass has a 
minor problem.
Doug 

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AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hand wash baby 
  bottles and other lexan foodproductscontainers
  
  my wife has been collecting glass baby bottles 
  for two years now. seems like it wasnt such a bad idea after 
  all...
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McLoren 
To: biofuel 
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:27 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] hand wash baby 
bottles and other lexan food productscontainers

The flashpoint for this sudden concern surrounding the 
safety of drinking water out of bottles made of
Lexan is a published report in the April 2003 issue of 
Current Biology by Dr. Patricia Hunt, a geneticist
at CaseWestern Reserve University in Cleveland. As a result 
of a worker accidentally washing polycarbonate
mouse cages with a very harsh detergent, chromosomal 
abnormalities that were normally found
in only 1 percent to 2 percent of mouse eggs prior to the 
washing spiked to 40 percent. The cause was
Bisphenol-A (BPA) which is a known endocrine disruptor that 
mimics the hormone estrogen. The BPA
leached from the polycarbonate. For humans not living in 
mouse cages, food-grade polycarbonate is
what those clear and sometimes now colorful water bottles 
are made of that are widely sold these days
not just at outdoor shops, but also at health clubs and at 
chic coffee houses.
http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/snewsbpa.pdf
 
More study is needed to determine if even the POTENTIAL of 
risk to the human reproductive system
exists. So far what we do know is that high heat and 
detergents with high alkalinity (conditions you
would find in a dishwasher for example) as well as cleaning 
with bleach can accelerate the deterioration
of polycarbonate. And since GSI has, in order to address a 
spider cracking issue in wine and other plastic
glasses, been advising consumers to hand wash and use mild 
detergent only, SNEWS would still feel
it prudent to begin advising consumers to do the same for 
all polycarbonate bottles and food containers
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Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator

2006-06-27 Thread lres1

Very rough,
48Hp close to 30Kw at 4,000 plus. At 1,800 is about
12Kw minus Power factor = about 9Kw useable at low revs on multi pole generator.
The engine should not glaze at that and if kept close to a reasonable load at 4
to 5 Kw then you could have a happy genset that should last a very long time. I
run Deutz units which are horrible for prices on parts.
My very quick and rough and ready
calcs.
Doug

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Subject: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a
generator

Hello all,
I'm interested in getting
a diesel generator. A friend has offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine
(48HP) and says it would be great to power a generator. It seems a bit
overkill. I was looking at 4 - 6 HP.
Guidance here would be
appreciated.
Tom

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Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring

2006-06-27 Thread lres1

Unless the plastic film is of real good quality is better to use two thin
layers at times, stops shorts as the chances of two poor spots in the
plastic coinciding with each other would be very slim. This is why older
dialectric units used double layers of paper films in wax or other
substances to expel water.
Doug
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> Jason& Katie wrote:
> > its pretty simple theory, take two dielectric layers (i.e. extremely
thin
> > plastic) and layer them between two foil layers like so-
> > --- being plasticwrap/thin wax paper/other
> >  being foil
> > --
> > ///
> > --
> > ///
> > and stagger pin/tape one end of each to a paper towel roll, dowel rod or
> > other non conductor. make a connection to each layer of foil and roll
the
> > layers into a tight spool. it will take a lot of foil and dielectric but
> > when it just fits inside the bucket it should measure in the full farad
> > ranges (a pair of cofee cans in oil measures about 0.125F
>
> So the foil and dielectric layers move in spirals expanding outward, or
> there are independent "rings" of foil, dielectric, foil, dielectric, and
> so forth, and you tie all the foil layers together?
>
> Sorry, I'm a visual person, so I'm trying to imagine this while waiting
> for work uniforms to finish going through the laundry.
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Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US Engineering

2006-06-26 Thread lres1




Not in the US at least.
Doug 

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  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:47 
AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Death of US 
  Engineering
  Maybe now isn't that best time to get an electrical engineering 
  degree :-/Will K
  On 6/23/06, D. 
  Mindock < 
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The Death of US 
EngineeringBy Paul Craig RobertsThe May payroll jobs report released June 2 by the Bureau of 
LaborStatistics confirms the jobs pattern for the 21st century US 
economy:employment growth is limited to domestic services.In May 
the economy created only 67,000 private sector jobs. Jobestimates for 
the previous two months were reduced by 37,000.The new jobs are as 
follows: professional and business services, 27,000;education and health 
services, 41,000; waitresses and bartenders,10,000. Manufacturing lost 
14,000 jobs.Total hours worked in the private sector declined in 
May.Manufacturing hours worked are 6.6 percent less than when the 
recoverybegan four and one-half years ago.American economists 
and policymakers are in denial about the effect ofjobs offshoring on US 
employment. Corporate lobbyists have purchasedfraudulent studies from 
economists that claim offshoring results in moreUS employment rather 
than less. The same lobbyists have spreaddisinformation that the US does 
not graduate enough engineers and thatthey must import foreigners on 
work visas.Lobbyists are currently pushing, as part of the 
immigration bill, anexpansion in annual H-1B work visas from 65,000 to 
115,000.The alleged "shortage" of US engineering graduates is 
inconsistent withreports from Duke University that 30 to 40 percent of 
students in itsmaster's of engineering management program accept jobs 
outside theprofession. About one-third of engineering graduates from MIT 
go intocareers outside their field. Job outsourcing and work visas for 
foreignengineers are reducing career opportunities for American 
engineeringgraduates and, also, reducing salary scales.When 
employers allege a shortage of engineers, they mean that there is 
ashortage of American graduates who will work for the low salaries 
thatforeigners will accept. Americans are simply being forced out of 
theengineering professions by jobs outsourcing and the importation 
offoreigners on work visas. Corporate lobbyists and their hired 
economistsare destroying the American engineering 
professions.American engineering is also under pressure because 
corporations havemoved manufacturing offshore. Design, research and 
development are nowfollowing manufacturing offshore. A country that 
doesn't make thingsdoesn't need engineers and designers. Corporations 
that have movedmanufacturing offshore fund R&D in the countries 
where their plants havebeen relocated.Engineering curriculums 
are demanding. The rewards to the effort arebeing squeezed out by jobs 
offshoring and work visas. If the currentpolicy continues of 
substituting foreign engineers for Americanengineers, the profession 
will die in the US.---Paul Craig Roberts was 
Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reaganadministration. He was 
Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journaleditorial page and 
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Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing Biodiesel

2006-06-26 Thread lres1




Used to be the case for long term storage of AVGAS 
that the drums had to be lined. Once the lining was punctured the drums were not 
useable for AVGAS storage. Was easy to damage the lining by inserting the wrong 
pump and destroying/damaging the lining at the bottom of the drum. Re-fueling 
the "King-Air" and other craft for long hauls on un-attended runways was why the 
fuel storage. Was also used in non fixed wing fuel storage as were never surer 
when the fuel was to be used. Your relevant Aviation Authority, or private 
charter company, may be able to shed some light on such drums.
 
Doug 

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  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:44 
AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tanks for storing 
  Biodiesel
  Tom,I know that some drum manufacturors sell 55 gallon 
  steel drums with an epoxy lining.  This could be the case with your 
  methanol drum.  I don't think the biodiesel will dissolve the epoxy, but 
  I don't know for sure.  Hope that helps. Will Kelleher
  On 6/18/06, Thomas 
  Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
  


Hello to all,
 I would like to start 
storing some biodiesel to be used as heating fuel this winter.
 I have two 55 gallon 
(209L) drums that methanol came in. They are blue tanks with "VP 
Racing" on them. I was told that they are only used for methanol and "are 
lined" with something. I plan to tee them into my heating fuel 
line.
 Will they make 
suitable tanks for storing biodiesel? I'm a bit concerned about the lining. 
It is apparently a feature that makes them more valuable for methanol 
storage, but will biodiesel dissolve it?
 
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Re: [Biofuel] satellite dish collectors

2006-06-26 Thread lres1

It may be of interest to do a search on "low heat transfer generators". Also
Solar ponds. This is where a very heavy brine is in the bottom layers of a
square sided pond and very fresh water is on top, that is about a meter per
layer. Under the brine layer is laid black alkathine pipes and black heat
absorption material to transfer the heat to the tubes. A very effective
solar collector of heat and no conversion as the heat is there.

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~cliff.hignett/solar/

Was so easy to make and run but it needed more funding, guess what got in
the way as with so many alternative fuels. The particular pond I was
fleetingly associated with ran part of the vineyard at times.

The heat exchanger on the ponds was a real marvel and for such large ponds
was very small, could all but easily be carried by one person. I was to
believe that the money was in the sale of the exchanger in the end not the
ponds. However as time goes by and Israel and other countries that were
developing such ponds might be back on line.

Initially for generation of power the ponds were using a CFC, thus the low
boiling point for equivalent in super steam power. As to heating systems,
there is no reason why these ponds can not be used for heat generation using
water with an anti freeze/lubricant as the basis.

Doug

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> does anyone know if a regular 2'x1.5' satellite dish (primestar i think)
> will work for a solar collector? i was thinking about using it to heat my
BD
> via exchanger. (maybe borrow the steam pump with check valves idea...) i
am
> going to try and layer it with tinfoil to begin with, then depending on
> wether or not that works i want to drop a hot water coil into my little BD
> reactor (1.5L)
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Re: [Biofuel] diesel injector

2006-06-26 Thread lres1

From memory this is the same basics as the
Daimler Puch system and has no injector pump. Please let me know if I am out
here. This engine was known as the Styre and mostly run in boats (14+ years of
operations in Australia) Macintyre engineering from memory were the Australian
agents for this engine in marine applications.
There are now many variants of this engine design.
The latest being two injections per firing stroke controlled by the many sensors
on the engine, all operated by a central PCM.
Doug

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AM
Subject: [Biofuel] diesel injector

http://www.rexresearch.com/kukler/kukler.htm
Ronald KUKLER
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Ron Kukler: "A 2-stage hydraulic/electronic fuel delivery
system creates extremely high injection pressures of 160,000 psi compared to
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The system has been tested for durability by Prof. Eric
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From www.greendieselcorp.com: "Existing diesel common rail
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approx. 3% of engine cost. We do not use a complicated and expensive high
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[Biofuel] Audi

2006-06-23 Thread lres1




For those interested and not seen. 
 
Audi R10 TDI wins at Le Mans with team mates 
in second car coming 3rd. Not bad, if only the thinking went into it many 
years ago especially in the good ole US of A. Seems the team mates spent an hour 
out changing a Turbo and still came to the podium.
 
1/ First diesel car to ever win.
2/ Record time lap.
 
Where does this leave Daimler Puch in today's 
markets?
 
Ah well.
Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread lres1

Joe

No worries only my grape vines, everything else seems to be very hardy and
strong with good resistance. Not even the coconuts have the "yellowing",
same with the darn beetle nut. Thanks for the help will keep in mind but my
vines I have tried for many years to grow 14 + years in Aus and 17 + here
and now that I have some don't want them eaten. Not worried if they fruit or
not, just good to see the vines here as I walk under them to my office
several times each day.

Doug
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic


> This may work for grapes but keep it the hell away from tomato plants or
> you'll find out what the tobaco mosaic virus is!
>
> Joe
>
> JJJN wrote:
>
> > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really work
> > good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
> > you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and said
> > that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
> > first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he said
> > was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
> > anything else if it is not used responsibly.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and
> >>>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
> >>>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
> >>>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
> >>>
> >>>Summary.
> >>>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
> >>>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
> >>>3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
> >>>4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.
> >>>
> >>>Doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat
> >>the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though.
> >>
> >>Best
> >>
> >>Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: Fred Finch
> >>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> >>>
> >>>Jim,
> >>>
> >>>Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a
> >>>gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and
> >>>then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is
> >>>absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't
> >>>care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I
> >>>have.  Works great.
> >>>
> >>>Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts
> >>>that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on
> >>>his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that for
> >>>a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and
> >>>was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.
> >>>
> >>>fred
> >>>
> >>>On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Robert,
> >>>I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one
cup
> >>>lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you
> >>>hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea sounded
> >>>good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys
> >>>whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you
> >>>think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them
> >>>and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product
> >>>screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.  I
> >>>suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to
> >>>the single point missing everything else.
> >>>Jim
> >>>
> >>>robert and benita rabello wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Chris Lloyd wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got
caught
> >out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
> >supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>good, smelt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start
adding
> >chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>washed out of it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>   I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to
> kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
> responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once,

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread lres1

Keith,
Thanks for the help. So correct it is me interfering with my plant
intrusions.

The problem here is not with the grass, the trees or what is already here.
The problem is trying to grow what is not meant to be here. Tried gardens in
some hot tropical climates that turned into giant ant beds, the ants are
there to do what worms would normally assist. Reality says I should not try
and grow grapes where they don't want to grow or are a very weak and thus a
susceptible plant to bugs etc due to location/climate. However, I like my
grape vines, am pleased the bugs are on the out, and for the first time have
got vines growing where they shouldn't be. At least there is no worries in
them spreading and taking over the landscape such as Gorse introduced to NZ
and other such growths. I figure my vines cover a small area. The rest of
the plant life, other than the Norfolk pines, are native to here, all but,
and thus are resistant enough to keep in good health without the use of
pesticides.

Life is one whole learning cycle thus we are all amateurs. 300 + years ago
it was possible to read all books printed in the English Language, today
this is an impossibility. No one has read all, no one has learnt all, thus
we are in reality all amateurs, such is the fun of living. Asked about all
my
many and varied interests and work, to me it is all a side line, life is the
real issue and what all the rest compiled enables me to make of it. An
amateur I am very proud to be it assures I have more goals to attain in
this world. Are we here to attain the answers or the questions?

My thanks to all.

Doug

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

> >Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram.
> >
> >I tried the mix of one handful of this to one gallon of water and let sit
> >for 4 hours, added a little sunlight detergent and sprayed lightly on
some
> >plants last night, this morning there is no sign of any side effects on
the
> >plant and also no sign of them nibblers that were eating the palms. (easy
to
> >grow palms here, very very hard to grow grapes). If by days end still no
> >detrimental signs on the palms then will try a little on the grape vines.
At
> >the rate I am going 1 Kg will make about 18 gallons of the bug runner.
The
> >initial lot was a very light yellowish color so last night I mixed more
and
> >over night it has gone to a very dark brown. I think I can dilute it by
> >about 1:1 to bring it back to what it was yesturday which then means by
> >leaving it standing for more than 12 hours I can double the 18 gallons
per
> >kg. All up is then less than US$3 for 36 gallons of grub off or grub
gone.
>
> How many dollars it costs per gallon is hardly the point.
>
> >Tobacco was outlawed before DDT??? Could this be due to US
> >"Commercial/Industrial" interests and not the fault of the tobacco. Any
one
> >can grow tobacco but not every one can make DDT and pesticides. More
> >information/discussion would be a help here
>
> Not really. Unless you think "organic" pesticides are useful, and I'm
> not the only one trying to tell you that pesticides are useless,
> whether "organic" or not. "The badge of the amateur."
>
> Learn how to make fertile soil that's capable of growing healthy
> plants that don't need pesticides.
>
> If you want to know more about "organic" pesticides there's plenty of
> information available on using nicotine, derris, rotenone, pyrethrum,
> quassia, sulphur, bordeaux mixture, potassium permanganate, soft soap
> and FA soap, and so on and on, but it's just another blind alley.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >Doug
> >
> >From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> >
> >
> > > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> > > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really
work
> > > good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
> > > you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and
said
> > > that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
> > > first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he
said
> > > was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
> > > anything else if it is not used responsibly.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Keith Addison wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and
> > > >>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
> > > >>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
> > > >>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
> > > >>
> > > >>Summary.
> > > >>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
> > > >>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
> > > >>3/  Mix, strain and spray on

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-20 Thread lres1

Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram.

I tried the mix of one handful of this to one gallon of water and let sit
for 4 hours, added a little sunlight detergent and sprayed lightly on some
plants last night, this morning there is no sign of any side effects on the
plant and also no sign of them nibblers that were eating the palms. (easy to
grow palms here, very very hard to grow grapes). If by days end still no
detrimental signs on the palms then will try a little on the grape vines. At
the rate I am going 1 Kg will make about 18 gallons of the bug runner. The
initial lot was a very light yellowish color so last night I mixed more and
over night it has gone to a very dark brown. I think I can dilute it by
about 1:1 to bring it back to what it was yesturday which then means by
leaving it standing for more than 12 hours I can double the 18 gallons per
kg. All up is then less than US$3 for 36 gallons of grub off or grub gone.

Tobacco was outlawed before DDT??? Could this be due to US
"Commercial/Industrial" interests and not the fault of the tobacco. Any one
can grow tobacco but not every one can make DDT and pesticides. More
information/discussion would be a help here

Doug

From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic


> I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really work
> good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
> you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and said
> that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
> first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he said
> was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
> anything else if it is not used responsibly.
>
> Jim
>
> Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and
> >>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
> >>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
> >>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
> >>
> >>Summary.
> >>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
> >>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
> >>3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
> >>4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.
> >>
> >>Doug
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat
> >the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though.
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: Fred Finch
> >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> >>
> >>Jim,
> >>
> >>Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a
> >>gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and
> >>then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is
> >>absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't
> >>care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I
> >>have.  Works great.
> >>
> >>Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts
> >>that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on
> >>his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that for
> >>a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and
> >>was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.
> >>
> >>fred
> >>
> >>On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>Robert,
> >>I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup
> >>lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you
> >>hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea sounded
> >>good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys
> >>whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you
> >>think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them
> >>and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product
> >>screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.  I
> >>suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to
> >>the single point missing everything else.
> >>Jim
> >>
> >>robert and benita rabello wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Chris Lloyd wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got
caught
> out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
> supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked
> 
> 
> >>good, smelt
> >>
> >>
> good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start
adding
> chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Pe

Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

2006-06-20 Thread lres1




Have had many years ago engines like steam driven 
units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed 
through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip 
pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter 
and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to 
the shafts.
 
A similar system was used in Comet and Southern 
Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The 
oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be 
had.
 
Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone 
engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have 
used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone 
in a car or SUV. Any ideas?
 
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike Redler 
  
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
  Hi Juan,I saw the word "beans" and thought of a 
  climbing plant, like a string beanbad assumption. I'm definitely 
  NOT a farmer.Anyway, I'll check Keith's 
  links.Thanks.-RedlerJuan Boveda wrote: 
  Hello Mike Redler.
That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a 
weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a 
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it 
can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are 
planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor 
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.
Best Regards.

Juan Boveda
Paraguay


-original-
From:	Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:	3/30/ 2006 5:38
For:	Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:	Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor

  
Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel
brewing using small-scale plants?  I am told that castor oil dissolves
in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process.  I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze
even below -20 deg C.  Any pointers to more specific info along these 
lines?
  
I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start
with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do
with as much existing wisdom as  we can get our hands on, especially
because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal
consumption.  Many thanks in advance for any help.

Chandan

Hi Chandan

I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some
information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,
I think other list members may have direct experience of it.

List archives:
http://snipurl.com/oeit
Search results for 'castor'

The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was
that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put
people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says:
"Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of
detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be
fed to livestock.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be "

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html
Ricinus communis

The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's
also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a
much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude
indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems
to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding
reputation of being an excellent motor oil.

This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally:

http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html
Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil
as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel

Others:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html
Castorbeans

http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis
Ricinus communis

http://snipurl.com/oeiu
The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel
order from IOC
Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC
Mumbai , Aug 3

http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml
Energy in a Castor Bean
The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for
creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts.

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html
First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the
biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off.
 From Oils & Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue

Hope this helps.

Best

Keith
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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread lres1

Maybe out of line/subject here.

Would like to know where to find the Pros and Cons about Silage as an animal
feed in comparison to dry hay and non processed fodder.

Seems some silage makes for a bad smell once the heap is opened, not savory
at all, and yet cows will eat it okay. How does this compare with dry hay,
licks and molasses. Is this a worm free base? Seems to be full of rotten
grass and nothing but.

As below I can agree for sure some composting materials will reach 80 + Deg
C especially in dry ground pit decomposition, this in turn is used to kill
off some of the bad bugs like parasites and such in some waste disposal
systems where bacterial action causes the heat. Example, the "snail shell"
type toilets constructed as pit toilets in some parts were designed not only
for the bacteria to break down the occupying mass but was also used to kill
the mosquitoes in the down draft caused by the chimney height through the
long drop hole. (the mosquitoes were killed in the heat of the chimney as it
was blocked with a mosquito screen stopping the poor mozzy from escaping the
cooking.
Doug

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Racz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic


> I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn  for 10 years. I used a
mulching
> mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used  the mower on its
> tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't often even though I
> lived in Dallas with its 100F avg temps in the summer), I watered deeply -
> but mostly I let the lawn go dormant in the summer. None of the neighbors
> complained and not that I would have cared anyway. In the fall all the
leaves
> from the trees went into compost piles and then in the spring or fall or
> whenever it suited, it was sifted through a 1/2" sifter, shovelled into a
> spreader and on it went on top of the grass.
>
> Compost is a great 'fertiliser'. It is slow releasing and is nicely
balanced
> in all nutrients. You don't need to water it in and you can never
overapply.
> There are no worries from any runoff.
>
> Contrary to some misconceptions about compost - it can never get too hot -
the
> heat is from the micro-organisms who are doing the work of breaking the
> organic material down. They thrive on moisture and air and they produce
heat
> as a by-product. The more heat, the faster the breakdown.
>
> There is no need to apply heat. The heat is a byproduct, not an input to
> compost.. Blowing hot air through compost, is, well, a lot of hot air.
>
> If anyone is in doubt of the power of compost, try this for a summer
project:
> sneak out to a sports field with a spreader full of compost and in huge
> letters, spell out your favorite team's name ( or whatever!) on the pitch
and
> then watch what happens for the rest of the season!
>
> Compost is a natural product. As long as the source is organic, home made
> compost is better than anything you would have normally used instead.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Monday 19 June 2006 06:11 am, DB wrote:
> you don't have to grind compost really fine to spread it on your
> lawn...break it down to about 1/2 in particles and rake it in with a wide
> rake. I have a one acre lot with lots of grass, orchard and garden. I only
> weed the garden and only mow the grass. living in the city means your lawn
> needs to be as nice or better than your neighbors, but that is  really
just
> an ego problem. my lawn looks just fine to me...Your lawn
probabily
> would look just fine to me too.DB
> - Original Message -
> From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
>
> > JJJN wrote:
> >>Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there?  I have been
> >>encroaching out  75% of my lawn with food plants  for both wildlife and
> >>humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town  I  need to  keep
> >>it lawn.  the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed
> >>killers etc?  I have been wondering , can you take compost and grind it
> >>really fine and spread it on the lawn water it in?  Would this be good?
> >
> >I don't think this is "off topic", as it relates directly to the
> > mentality of "dirt as a growing medium" that is so pervasive and lies at
> > the root of much difficulty in our society.  I've actually had a "lawn
> > professional" suggest that I rip out my lawn and replace it with
> > garden.  "You seem to be more successful at growing vegetables than
> > grass," he said.
> >
> >I've aereated my lawn this year and watered with mixture of compost
> > tea and "organic compost enhancement liquid".  It's much greener and
> > healthier than it's been in the past, but this method still smacks of
> > replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers.
> >
> >It's not that I hate grass, but I'm NOT pleased with the monoculture
> > mentality

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread lres1




Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my 
precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used 
tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? 
Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
 
Summary.
1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from 
cigarette butts.
2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for 
dishes.
3/  Mix, strain and spray on my 
grape vine.
4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other 
cooks present.
 
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fred 
  Finch 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off 
  topic
  Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing 
  tobacco.  Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain 
  the tobacco out and then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the 
  buggies.  The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they 
  die.  The plants don't care either way about the stuff.  I do this 
  on the roses that I have.  Works great. Another thing that I have 
  done is grabbed the coffee can of butts that my nieghbor had.  He thinks 
  I am nutz anyway but the look on his face when I asked him for them was 
  priceless.  I soaked that for a day then strained that.  Worked as 
  well as the chewing tobacco and was free.  Smelled nasty but did the 
  trick just the same. fred
  On 6/18/06, JJJN 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  Robert,I 
was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one 
cuplemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that 
youhook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the 
idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills 
the bad guyswhats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? 
What do youthink?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and 
it sure killed themand quick, but again that would not be the entire 
goal if the productscrews up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew 
more about bugs.  Isuppose you may have some luck if you can 
apply it in a way that was tothe single point missing everything 
else.Jimrobert and benita rabello wrote:>Chris Lloyd 
wrote:>Some compost has virtually no 
ability to fertilise anything, I got caught >>out this year with 
the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was>>supposed to be 
composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, 
smelt>>good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had 
to start adding >>chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the 
nutrients got washed out of it>>but I'm going back to rotted horse 
manure next year.   
Chris>>I've 
found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to >kill 
weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which 
is>responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once, 
and since then>I've relied on my own compost.  My trees are 
happier (though I'm STILL >have insect and fruit problems) and look 
far more lush than they have in>the 
past.>>>robert luis rabello>"The Edge of 
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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread lres1

Are we lucky or what?

The cost of compost is quite cheap here and as such is not sterilized or
"cooked" just mixed and left for the worms and nature with some mechanical
help. Good compost most times.

Have used some local and some of my own compost to grow grape vines, 8
vines, of different sorts. The vines are now doing extremely well and have
formed a shade over a walk way. The shade in the last few days has been
decreasing through voluntary addition of some real fat bugs of the multi
legged type nibbling away at my prized grape vines. Never thought that grape
vines would grow here. High humidity, very hot and very wet in the wet
season and very dry in the dry season. However for some reason this is my
first spot of luck with growing grape vines as shade. What such a benefit if
by some freak twist the vines might produce some grapes this will be the
ultimate in my many years of grape sagas. Never ever eaten one of my own
home grown grapes as never seem to be able to have grown them before. I
would like to get rid of the bugs, like compost them or some such. Any one
know of a non chemical way of dislodging such unwelcome lodgers/habitants or
encouraging them to migrate/immigrate to other sources of fattening away
from my precious grape vines?

My Norfolk pines are doing real well on local compost as are many other
plants/trees.

Have had zero luck at this level with radiata pine no matter what soils, I
think this is more due to the heat and humidity changes.

Doug

- Original Message - 
From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

> Chris Lloyd wrote:
>
> >Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught
> >out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
> >supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good,
smelt
> >good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start
adding
> >chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got washed out of
it
> >but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
> >
> >
>
> I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to
> kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
> responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once, and since then
> I've relied on my own compost.  My trees are happier (though I'm STILL
> have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have in
> the past.
>
>
> robert luis rabello
> "The Edge of Justice"
> Adventure for Your Mind
> http://www.newadventure.ca
>
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> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

2006-06-15 Thread lres1

Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can help.

Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine in
long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for
transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so
picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take
for your Castor beans to sprout all up?

My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and stuck
them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are
starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be
done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow
quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth.

Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action or
small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings.

All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots
ready for planting out.

Doug

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> my castor plants have finally sprouted! sometime today im guessing,
because
> they were not visible this morning. oh well, back to the porch...
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Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread lres1

I think overall Darwin, or the publishers, got it wrong, the green slime is
at the
top and the upper class Englishman, plus a few others, at the bottom, for
some reason it got inverted in the printed or remembered versions, or was it
just too darn much? Several millenium and what does the world have today
that
it didn't at the start in the way of harmony. So many arenas show a
backwards slide. Go slime go.

Doug

> chem.dd wrote:
>
> > I find it interesting that some people think that it is morally wrong
> > for humans to eat meat. I respect and understand some groups who
> > choose not to eat meat due to specific religious beliefs.
> > Humans are omnivores because we evolved that way. There are other
> > animals that are herbivores and others that are strictly carnivores.
> > Is it immoral for a lion to kill and eat a gazelle? Of course not!
> > Just because we are at the top of the chain does not mean that we have
> > to ignore or repudiate our evolutionary reality, or feel guilty about
it.
> > On the other hand large animals are sentient beings and deserve
> > to live their life in an environment that mimics their life in
> > the wild until the time that they become dinner.
> > David
>
> Perhaps one day it will become apparent that there is no "top" of the food
chain, but is a cycle, like everything else in nature.  Germs, bacteria,
worms, etc. will eventually find sustenance among those species that are now
considered the "top" of the food chain.  Excepting of course in those places
in which we have extracted ourselves from the circle of life, treating a
dead body with preservatives to keep the worms and beetles etc. from
feasting on a body after life has left it.
>
> Having been a vegetarian for over 20 years, I sometimes use a shock tactic
to make people think, usually only after they try to entice me with a steak
or hamburger, (I think they're trying to get a reaction out of me in the
first place...) and respond to them, "Meat is meat, and burying humans is a
waste of food."  They usually quit trying to get me to eat meat.
>
> It's not like I try to convince them that they are wrong, it's a personal
thing for me, and I keep it that way.  My dogs eat meat, and I will do
nothing to change that, because it's who they are...  I'm a vegetarian,
because that's who I am.  My friends are omnivores, because that's who they
are.  I think it's a waste of my time to try to change anyone but myself,
and then, only when I find something that needs a change...
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1

2006-06-10 Thread lres1

Raymond,
You asked

> has anyone installed a 1.6 VW turbodiesel into a minivan?
> ray

The 1.6 is under powered even for VW. See
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/reimovan/reimovan.htm

I have not yet had the pleasure of fitting such but my thoughts are thus.

The power plant is also east west. This is not a real problem unless you
have an SRS system fitted to the Minivan it is to be fitted to. Do not
expect to get away at the lights in a hurry, fit a good stereo and speakers
to shut out the noise of those in line behind and seeming to want to rush
all the time in city traffic only to stop a few meters for the next set of
lights, or to join the  queue they were trying to leave. The Minivan would
need to be non SRS and have a subframe. From here you will need to swap out
fuel tanks and electronics and the complete subframe and match the steering
to the recipient vehicle. That is you will need to remove the original
subframe and power plant and adapt the donor powerplant complete with
subframe into the recipient. In most cases it can be done. A lot of work for
not much gain and expensive parts.

However, the 1.6 turbo is not known for get up and go in the cars let alone
a van that is made to carry some limited loading. Why not the 2 Liter plus,
it will give just that bit more for city driving.

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-06-10 Thread lres1

Jason & Katie wrote

> ah yes, but the axle gears in a PU are at a minimum 4.00:1 if one were to
> reduce this to , oh say 2.00:1 or even closer, then the direct drive (or
> overdrive) gear in the trans would eliminate a lot of the stress of
> travel.at 2:1 the max rpm would be 2k-2.5k and at overdrive would be about
> 15% less than that (1.7k-2.1k) which is totally reasonable. if the
mechanic
> is really savvy, a second transmission could be installed, giving us a
> double overdrive. (a little complicated on the interstate, but hey, i like
> manual transmissions)
>

Ah yes, the two gear boxes fitted in series, love them, what crawler gears
can be obtained in one direction for rock crawling and what long legs can be
given to a low revving diesel fitted in the other direction. Like having a
15 speed Road ranger with splitter box, joey box and two speed rear end. A
gear for every occasion. True. You are so correct.

You maybe would have loved this modified full front long nose KW.
Came across a tractor unit capable of hauling 3 dogs, and the power plant, a
measly P 6354. Now said me who would ever put such a small rubber band in
such a huge machine of a truck. Well empty and just the tractor unit
returning interstate ran on the smell of nothing. While hauling all 3 dogs
it was slow on the hills, up wards any way, but had 15 speed Road ranger
onto a splitter = 30 gears the splitter onto a mid mount joey with 2 speeds
= 60 and a 2 speed rear end = 120 basic gears. All controls either electric
or air operated from the RR gear shift lever. Now that was a truck with a
gear to meat any obstacle. (note here for some: once some rigs are moving it
is very rare to use the clutch as gears are changed by experience and feel
of engine and speed without disengaging the clutch. Example Cummins V8 onto
15 speed with splitter, Joey and two speed rear 10 wheeler fitted with power
divider, using the clutch is too slow on the change in a fully loaded unit
of 98,000 kilos. 72 wheels on the road.) Now don't you just love manual
transmissions.

Doug.


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Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-09 Thread lres1

Jan,
Thank you for the earlier reply.

I don't suppose you would know if the following is correct or not.

Australia had the maximum grant to any inventor set at AUD10,000. This was
the maximum grant to enable development of an inventors idea.

>From memory the Swedes had a department that would analyse an idea and if
seen to be possible then that department could be asked to assist the
inventor to a much greater degree than the AUD10,000. This could be why the
cassette was held by such interest and other every day consumable as well as
technologically based items. Not much in the way of books, and only slow
online here. Can you remember the late 60's and 70's when this system was
meant to have been operating in Sweden?

Doug.

> Håkan, it is obvious that no patent or manufacturing lisence will last for
> one houndrad years, espcecially considering the development of the diesel
> engine. But Scania is the inheritar of the original diesel engine.
However,
> it is not flattering for us Swedes to be so historically involved and
> possibly even having promoted the petroleum substitute for the diesel
> engine. Particulary not, since there is a common imagnination that the
> discovery of petroleum made it possible for the combustion engine to
arise,
> because of the unique properties of petroleum.
> Jan
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future
>
>
>
> Jan,
>
> Manufacturing rights as a whole to the diesel engine cannot be
> owned by Scania, only certain modifications that are done the
> last 25 years. It is no legal way, that I know of, to protect the
> original diesel engine for 100 years. The only legal way to protect
> manufacturing rights, is through patents and even they are not
> protected in certain countries. Patents are only valid for 25 years
> and the normal way is to patent modifications/enhancements to
> the original patent to prolong the patent protection of the most
> competitive product.
>
> Diesel might have had the idea as student, but he had financing
> for his development from the German coal industry. The contract
> was to develop his engine to run on coal dust. That is why there
> are always mentioning of coal dust, in conjunction with diesel.
>
> Kerrosene was at the time and today, used for lamps and heating.
> It is also a quality of kerrosene used for dry cleaning.
>
> The quality of crude that are economical for gasoline, will end
> before the crude suitable for fuel for diesel engine. If normal demand
> principles are governing the situation, the price gap between
> diesel and gasoline should widen in the future. It depends also
> on the space heating demands, where heating oil (diesel) is
> used for small buildings. Large buildings and Area centrals, use
> heavy oil and it will last longer than diesel.
>
> When we are talking of oil depletion, it is a very rough estimation.
> Certain oil products like gasoline are depleting faster than the
> generally used numbers. Oil products and their depletion is
> a much more complex situation.
>
> Hakan
>
>
> At 08:34 09/06/2006, you wrote:
> >Yes, I am able to amswer some questions concerning Rudolf Diesel.
> >He had his idea to his engine when he was a student of the technical
> >academy. Once he had a ready prototype ( which was tested with several
> >fuels
> >; gasoline, kerrosene and vegetable oils) he realized that he had to
supply
> >the fuel with the machine. So as a result of an agreement with Atlas
Copco
> >Diesel (member of the Wallenberg group) he had oil exploration rights in
> >Baku, near the Caspian Sea through an oil company with head office in St
> >Petersbrg Russia. This company was run by two relatives to Alfred Nobel,
> >the
> >founder of the Nobel prize. The aim with this deal was to obtain large
qtis
> >of kerrosene, which was the main petroleum product by that time. But then
> >the Russian revelution came in 1917 and his rights were expropiated. But
> >the
> >time that he had at his disposal was enough to establish kerrosene as the
> >main diesel fuel. The manufacturing rights of the diesel engine is now
> >owned
> >by Scania, which also is a member of the Wallenberg group.
> >The question for Rudolf Diesel was not the fuel itself, it was to have
> >access to diesel engine fuel, period.
> >We are now running out of oil, but some really good alternatives are
coming
> >up in practice, don´t you think ?
> >Jan Warnqvist
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:49 AM
>

Re: [Biofuel] Back to the future

2006-06-08 Thread lres1

Mike
The oil engine was in use long before Rudolf Diesel. Bit of chicken or egg.

Did Rudolf  invent the fuel?
He certainly reduced the size of the oil engine principal to enable it to
fit into land transport use from Sea and machine shop energy sources. I have
been unable to locate any part where he actually invented the mineral oil
known as Diesel oil. I can only find references to Peanut/vegetable oils in
his early engines.

Can anyone point me in the direction where he invented the Diesel oil?

Prohibition was to stop home making of fuel or to stop alcoholic drinks or
one was to cover the other? In history wood alcohol was included why?

Henry Ford was a ruthless marketing and business man. (Read some of Edzels
conflicts with his father before his early death). Fuel was sold in cans.
How do you sell cars to people well away from fuel sources? Make them able
to run on multi fuels, until Prohibition. The dates are about correct, late
model "T" and early model "A", "AA" and "AAA". Note the model "AAA" (Triple
A) was still run on ethanol as was not outlawed as far as my trips and
research shows.

The globe was already controlled by the oil industry. Sloan, the most
powerfull man at the time, could not perhaps change this or was in agreement
with the oil industry.

> *   Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to
>   run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp. In fact, when the diesel
>   engine was first introduced at the World's Fair in 1900, it ran on
>   peanut oil.
> * Two decades later, Henry Ford was designing his Model Ts to run on
>   ethanol made from hemp. He envisioned the entire mass-produced
>   Model T automobile line would run on ethanol derived from crops
>   grown in the U.S.
> * Even in the 1920s, the oil industry had massive lobbying power in
>   Washington. Lobbyists convinced policymakers to create laws
>   favoring petroleum based fuels while disgarding the ethanol option.
> * Nearly a century later, amidst oil wars in the Middle East, Global
>   Warming, and a nearly depleted oil supply, the U.S. government is
>   finally shifting attention to fuels that are more along the lines
>   of Diesel and Ford's original ideas.
> * In an interview with the New York Times in 1925, Henry Ford said:
>   "The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that
>   sumac out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost
>   anything. There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can
>   be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an
>   acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the
>   fields for a hundred years."
>
> Whose water is it? *Learn more:*
> http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_658.cfm
>

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Re: [Biofuel] The Alt Fuels Distraction

2006-06-05 Thread lres1

Seems so far we have been doing very well with using 3 year old wasted
glutinous rice not fit for human consumption. Twould appear that there is a
lot of rice wasted when rains come at the wrong time and destroy the crop,
however it is still top rice for Ethanol. Rice stored on cement floors with
no damp course is destroyed, but good also for Ethanol as above at three
years old bottom of the heap grains.
Doug

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> this bothers me. people assume that corn is the only place to get ethanol.
> dont they read? cellulose might be better later, but corn wont ever be the
> answer now.
>
> snip
>
>
>
> >
> > Corn-based ethanol is the result of an extremely energy-intensive,
> > CO2-emitting, polluting process. Corn is grown in massive
> > monocultures with petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides and
> > fertilizers, which are busy accumulating in an enormous "dead zone"
> > in the Gulf of Mexico. Ethanol refining plants consume enormous
> > amounts of natural gas or coal; their product is distributed across
> > the country in oil-burning vehicles. In the end, grain-based ethanol
> > produces little more energy than what's required to make it, and does
> > virtually nothing to reduce CO2 emissions.
> >
> > What about cellulosic ethanol, the oft-cited, eco-friendlier cousin
> > of grain-based ethanol? Well, it's-wait for it-largely speculative,
> > untested and at least 10 years out.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] mildly OT, Repower mid-80 ford pu

2006-06-01 Thread lres1

Chip,
Can be done, the original gear box and 4X4 transfer box unit in place. The
MB is expensive here new fan to flywheel from MB and for parts. However the
Musso (Sang Yang) has all but the same engine and is all but as reliable.
Needs the injector pipes held better in braces to stop the lines cracking,
the oil cooler needs to be replaced or set as an addition to the coolant
system with maybe a heat exchanger. You also have the power steering pump to
contend with if the ford has the lower ram system and not the unit
construction box. Some of the 5 cylinder MB's I have here and work on are
also fitted with serpentine belts, makes for changing alternators etc a bit
more complex. You will also need to check if your MB has the little devious
vac pump on the front left of the engine gear driven. You will need this for
the Vac brakes on the Ford. The problem with the set up is no vac no
stopping/shutting the engine off. Might be good to fit an accessory pull
cord to the inner side of the injector pump for emergency shutdowns. There
are many configurations of the 5 MB engine from the vertical to inclined,
cast alloy sump to pressed metal. Many such differences were very apparent
in Israel many years ago in the Taxis.

Auto transmissions stay engaged in changing up or down they slowly dump oil
from one set of clutches and increase the oil to next. As can be seen there
is a point where the Auto is in two gears at one time thus causing heat and
drag. Sudden dumping and instant filling from one set of clutches to the
next would tend to give whip-lash to not only the drive train but also the
driver and passengers. Thus the auto is not the best in many instances. This
being said I like the 400 in my Chev 4X4 as it needs no quick work on gear
linkages in off road use or towing very heavy loads.

The MB later autos only went into low/1st if the driver slammed the pedal to
the floor from standing start, otherwise the cars started motion in 2nd gear
if the driver was gentle on take off. Because of this the transmissions
tended to be as you say
"> The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission,
> kinda soft, and this one is quite old."

Doug

> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> > Sounds like a great idea to me.  I bet you'd loose some top end power
> > on the highway, but gain some low end torque, and probably get 50%
> > better mileage too.  I've heard of someone doing this in a toyota
> > pickup (wonder how they handled the weight of a 300TD in that?), and
> > said it had much more power than the toyota diesel (2.4 liter turbo),
> > and much quieter as well.  You'd use the same transmission as in there
> > now, or put the 4wd transfer case on the back of the 4speed auto from
> > the Merc?
>
> The mercedes automatic wasn't ever really a very good transmission,
> kinda soft, and this one is quite old. The ford manual is a
> granny gear 1st 4speed, so I'd rather keep it. This is/will remain
> a 'work truck'. I sure would like to keep the ford xmission.
>
> It seems, that the OM617 turbo diesel is just about the most
> ubiquitous engine of that type in the US. They are all over the
> place, and can be had for reasonably little money.
>
> I'm a little suprised there isn't more info about swapping
> this engine around.
>
> thanx again.
>
> > Z
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread lres1

Keith,
Was just thinking, what does non processed Jatropha smell like. That is
straight Jatropha oil extracted from the seed and put direct into an engine
without processing it to Bio-Diesel? It will run in an engine okay, for a
while at least, but I have not been involved enough to suck on the exhaust
tube, or close enough. Maybe some one can shed some light here.

Doug

> Hi Zeke
>
> >Lot of school busses are veggie oil powered already -- all the used
> >ones that hippies buy and travel around in  I've got one.  It's
> >been running good after about 10,000 miles on waste veggie oil -- only
> >problem is that it goes through fuel filters like crazy -- every 500
> >miles or so (which is about 50 gallons of oil).
>
> We don't use a lot of fuel filters with SVO (WVO) in our Toyota
> TownAce. We had some problems before that, with biodiesel, because
> the tank was rusty inside and the biodiesel freed up the rust. Is the
> bus tank rusty maybe?
>
> >But seriously, biodiesel would be a great alternative for school
> >busses.  Yesterday I found myself accidentally breathing exhaust from
> >my VW rabbit when I went to look underneath the back of it while it
> >was running.  A little burnt smelling, but not the eye watering and
> >stench of diesel or gasoline fumes.  New gasoline cars are probably
> >cleaner, but compared to the old gas and diesel cars I'm used to,
> >biodiesel fumes are positively delightful.
>
> We also use biodiesel in a rotavator (rototiller) and a
> diesel-powered shredder. We use them a lot, but I don't think I'd do
> it with petro-diesel fumes, especially not the shredder. When I get
> hit by a blast of petro-diesel exhaust from another car it's not just
> a bad smell, it's like you're being attacked. With biodiesel I barely
> notice it.
>
> What would you tell this person though?
>
> >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
> >
> >I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
> >avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
> >that can avoid this smell?
>
> I've had a few enquiries like that.
>
> Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
> just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
> exhaust stink?
>
> Does anybody else here think it stinks?
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >On 5/28/06, AltEnergyNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I can imagine it now. Bush authorizes invasion of Bolivia!
> > >
> > > Venezuelan president Chavez pledges energy loans to Bolivia
> > >
> > > < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148814738.news >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe it's time for large scale biodiesel school bus conversions.
> > >
> > > Nation's School Buses Worst Polluting Vehicles
> > >
> > > < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1148815659.news >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel stinks - was Re: Venezuelan president Chavez

2006-05-29 Thread lres1

Keith wrote,
> What would you tell this person though?
>
> >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006
> >
> >I have been using biodisel fuel in my truck for 1 year but I can not
> >avoid from the bad smelling of it. Do you know any exhaust filter
> >that can avoid this smell?
>
> I've had a few enquiries like that.
>
> Could there be some other explanation than the biodiesel? Or is it
> just his biodiesel? How would you make biodiesel that makes the
> exhaust stink?
>
> Does anybody else here think it stinks?

The engine oil in a poorly maintained engine sure does smell some thing
horrible especially if it has additives. Sitting under my own converted
ex-school bus many years ago before I got to rebuild the engine was like
being gassed. The eyes watering and all. Could only stay under the bus for
short periods while the engine was running. Once the rings and pistons had
been changed it was all but sweet under there, no extremely bad smells or
fumes from a 1936 P6 powered ford Jailbar. Oil rings do not help the engine
compression or starting they wipe the walls to stop excess oil getting to
the combustion, if these rings are shot and the compression rings still very
good then you will get easy starting, good burning but a very horrible smell
from the oils being passed upwards. This is also the case with worn intake
valve guides with the "O" ring seals instead of the "Hat" type seals.

Yes bad smells can come from bio-fueled engines.

Doug

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Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel

2006-05-28 Thread lres1




DB,
The Nissan Frontier or Nissan Navara and Pathfinder 
all came with standard Nissan diesels in Australia. The Navara was a much better 
vehicle in that it was first out with the independent front suspension other 
than the SR5 from Toyota. The Navara Diesel never gave any trouble, those that 
changed to the Hilux solid front axle and leaf springs were sadly disappointed 
with the handling on corrugated roads.
 
Overall the Navara was a nice car/pickup to drive 
off road and with loads. Just make sure of the front CV joint boots all the time 
and that these boots don't collapse showing that there is not enough CV grease 
in the joint. Also to make sure that the CV joint boots are not worn or cracked 
as replacement can be a bit tedious to say the least.
 
I see no reason, other than the reduction in get up 
and go, of exchanging the running gear and engine from a Navara Diesel or 
Pathfinder diesel to your Frontier gas plant, even the Frontier comes with a 
diesel engine.
 
Try an import from Australia or Japan or Thailand 
for such engine complete with gear box and transfer box if none are in the 
US. 
 
Could never understand the lack of small diesels in 
the US until I read Vance Packard "We The waste Makers" Brings up what the 
present day is based upon. Re the release of the stereo player was withheld 
through an agreement by marketing managers as the market was not saturated with 
mono systems. Only when the Marketing managers from many companies agreed that 
saturation point was attained with the mono did the stereo units become 
available thus the older mono just sold were out dated. Same tricks, same 
thoughts same people different faces.
 
The Video player/recorder was a US invention but as 
large as an office desk, no foreseen profits within 10 years so it was ousted. 
Wander who finished up with the money.
 
Sorry going off track here. Frontier, 
Navara and Pathfinder share many base 
components. You just need the drive line and engine as well as the fuel filter 
if the engine fuel filter has the diaphragm type attached to the filter housing 
top. This is used to bleed the engine. Radiator should be changed to take care 
of more heat generated in the engine. That is go to a three core instead of the 
light duty 2 core.
 
PS, There was a Nissan variety made in Spain with a 
4 Cylinder NA engine, looked very small in the huge space of the Patrol engine 
compartment. I think Bukkehave in the Netherlands were a distributor. One remark 
is that be cautious of engines made for Jap cars in the EU. They were made to 
comply with transgressions in WTO rulings that project vehicles for use outside 
the EU must be of EU origin. Some of these were low numbers in real production 
terms like the Toyota Hilux that has the 2.8L NA and 2.4L T. The engines were 
for limited use, well the whole vehicles were for that matter. Very few Jap 
parts fitted these engines and thus were costly to keep on the road, many 
engines were changed to the 2.4L and 2.8L NA as they died or needed cylinder 
heads etc from a very limited supply in the EU.
 
A quick e-mail to Bukkehave http://www.infomine.com/index/suppliers/Bukkehave_Inc..html may 
help decide you to go for an ASEAN supply, but the you never know what is about 
all the time.
 
If you like trucks and such a nice comfortable 
Chevy or Ford with a 1HZ fitted is smooth and for a diesel very quiet, no 
firewall cutting required and is a "Truck" like cab not a squashed box like the 
Navara or Frontier. Take the F100, ousted the 351, fitted the later 
1HZ with wiring loom and engine control box from behind the glove box etc. The 
truck toured Australia towing a pop top caravan. Bit slow at the 
lights but driven easy was good on long distances and around town. Sorry to 
see that one go as well.
 
Hope all this helps.
 
Doug
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  From: 
  DB 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo 
  diesel
  
  I have a 2000 nissan frontier 4x4(gas engine) I 
  want to convert to diesel. What would you suggest for a replacement? I think 
  this would be the best thing to provide info on gas/diesel engine conversions 
  here at the Journey. Detroit has their head stuck up the ass.The Japs all make 
  diesel pickups but don't import them to the dumb-ass america.(sorry,but the 
  truth hurts sometimes) I wanted a small diesel pickup. but settled for a 
  23 year old mercedes wagon, which I love,but I'm really a truck driven man. 
  (carpenterworking in rough terrain.)  I've been making 
  bio-diesel for years and am committed to making the next 
  move.sincerely, DB
  
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:48 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo 
diesel

Hello all,
 
If any one wants to make a light truck

Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel

2006-05-27 Thread lres1

Zeke, Mike,
That 2.2 once problems rectified would be a good fit for a CJ-5 or earlier
model that is not into highway speeds but into 4WD and off road use. Much
better fit than in the Hilux.
The sump is not a conglomerate and as such can be welded to enable the front
assembly to be left intact with sump and oil pick up
modifications/relocation.

Best.

Doug

From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel


> Nah,
>
> It's not really worth all that trouble.  Why don't you send it out here
> and I'll take it off your hands.  Heck, I'll even pay the drive away
> company!
>
> I bet it's not a bent rod.  The compression test will reveal more info...
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mike
>
> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
> >Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k
> >shown on the odometer may be original.  Or maybe 188k.  But I think
> >that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn
> >out.  The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though.  I think
> >I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test,
> >and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them
> >out, and see if that helps.
> >
> >On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I've driven one - nice but pokey.
> >>
> >>How many miles?  I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder?  If it's been
> >>sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the
> >>piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent.  If it
> >>has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3 cylinder
> >>NA diesel is going to be slooowww.
> >>
> >>Good luck!
> >>
> >>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hey everyone
> >>>
> >>>I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a
> >>>2.2 liter NA diesel engine.  I was just wondering if any of you
> >>>(Keith?) have experience with this.  It'll be run on B100 of course
> >>>(and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in
> >>>there).  It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead
> >>>piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second
> >>>truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first
> >>>one.
> >>>
> >>>No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these.
> >>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel

2006-05-27 Thread lres1

>From my own pint the 2.2 NA Toyota diesel is the worst ever made, low on
power and was not in production long before they added a few more cc's the
2.4 a much better engine and easier to get parts as was in production very
much longer than the very short lived 2.2.

Due to the lack of power the rings wore out at well under 100K kilometers in
Australia, especially those fitted to the 4 X 4 Hilux. The 2 wheel drives
were generally thrashed to get the revs up and kept in a constant state of
overload for speed and load carrying.

I can't write all down, only what is asked and assume others know certain
things, sorry for omitting the failures in the 2.2 NA.

Had no other options due to costs than to operate many of the 2.2 engines
many years ago. As soon as the 2.4 was out dumped the 2.2 and never looked
back.

Just my thoughts and trials of the 2.2.

Doug
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel


> I paid for it today, and will have it towed to a friends house next
> week, so I can do the compression test...
>
> On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nah,
> >
> > It's not really worth all that trouble.  Why don't you send it out here
> > and I'll take it off your hands.  Heck, I'll even pay the drive away
> > company!
> >
> > I bet it's not a bent rod.  The compression test will reveal more
info...
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> >
> > >Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k
> > >shown on the odometer may be original.  Or maybe 188k.  But I think
> > >that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn
> > >out.  The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though.  I think
> > >I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test,
> > >and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them
> > >out, and see if that helps.
> > >
> > >On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>I've driven one - nice but pokey.
> > >>
> > >>How many miles?  I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder?  If it's
been
> > >>sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the
> > >>piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent.  If it
> > >>has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3
cylinder
> > >>NA diesel is going to be slooowww.
> > >>
> > >>Good luck!
> > >>
> > >>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Hey everyone
> > >>>
> > >>>I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a
> > >>>2.2 liter NA diesel engine.  I was just wondering if any of you
> > >>>(Keith?) have experience with this.  It'll be run on B100 of course
> > >>>(and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in
> > >>>there).  It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead
> > >>>piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second
> > >>>truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first
> > >>>one.
> > >>>
> > >>>No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these.
> > >>>
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> > >>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel

2006-05-27 Thread lres1

A bent rod will make for loads of white to blue smoke as the fuel is not
being burnt correctly due to incorrect timing of the bent rod. Also the
engine will vibrate like nothing else. Have worked on many that have been
drowned or been boiled and the head cracked that allowed water into a
cylinder. This bent a rod and thus made the white to blue smoke.

Hope this helps.


Doug

> A bent rod in a diesel will definitely be a problem as far as firing on
that
> cyl. goes... no compression (low) = no fire in that hole...
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Old toyota diesel
>
>
> > Well, given the shape of the body, I'm inclined to think that the 88k
> > shown on the odometer may be original.  Or maybe 188k.  But I think
> > that stuck rings from sitting are more likely than just being worn
> > out.  The person selling it thinks it has a bent rod though.  I think
> > I'll take the injectors and glow plugs out and do a compression test,
> > and then soak the inejctors and cylinders in biodiesel to clean them
> > out, and see if that helps.
> >
> > On 5/26/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've driven one - nice but pokey.
> > >
> > > How many miles?  I wonder what's wrong with the cylinder?  If it's
been
> > > sitting and you're lucky, the compression rings are gummed to the
> > > piston, and you may be able to free them up with some solvent.  If it
> > > has a zillion miles on it you may be looking at a rebuild - a 3
cylinder
> > > NA diesel is going to be slooowww.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey everyone
> > > >
> > > >I might become the proud owner of a 1981 longbed toyota pickup with a
> > > >2.2 liter NA diesel engine.  I was just wondering if any of you
> > > >(Keith?) have experience with this.  It'll be run on B100 of course
> > > >(and maybe SVO, if I feel like installing the heated fuel system in
> > > >there).  It needs a little engine work (seems to have one dead
> > > >piston), but the body is beautiful still, so it'll make a good second
> > > >truck for our company. My mitsubishi turbodiesel pickup is the first
> > > >one.
> > > >
> > > >No specific questions -- just seeing if anyone else has one of these.
> > > >
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Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel

2006-05-20 Thread lres1

Jim/JonathanNot so long ago 
finished the conversion of a Cherokee export edition to a Hilux diesel 
engine.
Goes well with good economy.

Have a YJ here about to be modified with the 4.0L 
MPEFI to run on Ethanol and 15 to 20% water injected to the intake manifold. 
Asked on the list if any one had done this conversion but no replies so guess 
not yet. The 4.0L MPEFI will be about 60 days to set up on Ethanol and water 
vapor.

The YJ has heaps of room and even the adapter for 
the diesel is easy to make.

The CJ5 also has loads of room and is able to take 
the Nissan and the Toyota engines. Me I prefer the 2.8 NA Toyota engine, has got 
that little bit more. To run on Ethanol see the Solar challenge from Darwin, the 
oldest car with the oldest average age of participants. All on ethanol. The CJ5 
has a good solid carburetor system and the hot box, needs it for ethanol more so 
than gas. The carburetor orifices you will find how to modify on this biofuel 
site. The water injection can be accomplished in many ways from steam, 
venturi suction, pump and nozzle or as we have here on a demo single 
cylinder the ethanol has 15 to 20 water in it. That is the Ethanol is wet. This 
passes okay through the modified Carburetor with no adverse effects yet. Hence 
the move to the YJ. 

Have a mini moke here with a Honda single cylinder 
stationary engine running into a Lada clutch and gearbox into a Daihatsu rear 
end and Daihatsu front end fitted to the moke Rack steering with Opal top to the 
steering shafts. Pulls an 8 x 4 box trailer around town okay. Not bad on fuel at 
all.

Doug 

  I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep YJ???
  Thank you,
  JonathanJJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Thanks 
Dave now you have me drooling,lres1 
wrote:>Jim,>Very easy to put into the early Jeeps and keep 
the original gear box and>transfer box as well as the 4 wheel 
drive.>>There are two different early jeeps, well quite a lot 
really. Made by Ford>and many other companies, the original designer 
got zippo for his troubles>in designing them. The basic difference is 
the bonnet a high bonnet and a>low bonnet. That is one has a bonnet 
that is about 8 Inches high and thus>the radiator etc to match, the 
other has a bonnet about 2 inches high at the>most. Am at present 
rebuilding one with the low bonnet. Have just finished a>CJ5 series 
with a Nissan Diesel and gear box as the front end was 
rubbish.>>Low bonnet: Your limit here is the height to clear 
the sump from the front>end and the throttle cable to clear the 
bonnet as the throttle cable sits on>top of the engine over the 
breather pipes thus it being the highest part of>the engine.> 
>Mine is the CJ-5 version made by Willys. The bonnet is taller 
than the CJ-2A and Lower than a CJ-3B (High Hood) However it is much 
more than the Ford Mutt.>High bonnet: All but any thing in 
the way of a 4 cylinder will fit as that>extra 6 inches leaves a lot 
more room to play with and keep all intact.>>Removal of the 
fan shroud also leaves a lot more room to the front where 
the>cramping would normally take place. An overhead cam belt drive 
2.2 or 2.4L>does very well in the high and low bonnet. Need to modify 
the sump and oil>pickups plus a few other items, especially in the 
low bonnet version, and>make the bellhousing/adapter plate. However 
all this is quite easy.>>Need also to know if it is Ford or 
other make of the original engine. One>has part of the bellhousing as 
part of the cylinder block casting one has a>flat finish to the rear 
of the block, very easy to see the difference in the>blocks.> 
>Original Willys Flat head Four Cylinder 30K miles. 
original.>The intake manifold for these engines was from memory 
the first to>incorporate the NZ design of a "hotbox" for more fuel 
economy. If your jeep>is original it is easy to run on Ethanol due to 
the manifold system if it>has the NZ design fitted as original. The 
original has the manifold coming>up slightly from the carburetor and 
sits on top bolted to the exhaust>manifold. Very easy for water 
injection and ethanol this system. Flat head>side valve 4 cylinder no 
oil filter but an accessory fitted later.> >Now you make 
me want to start thinmking ethanol. Do i have to make 
modifications?>As above is very easy to fit a Toyota 2.2 or 
2.4 NA engine into these>vehicles. Did you want the four wheel drive 
still working as original?> >Yes, I want to keep it as is 
as it is so practical for this area. It is also the only thing I can 
still work on. LOL>Doug>> 
>>>Doug,>>would it be possible to put a Toyota 
diesel into a 1958 Willys 
Jee

Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel Pt 1

2006-05-20 Thread lres1




Jonathan,
You asked 

I am a newbe to this. However, will this work on a Jeep 
YJ???
 
To start, locate a 2.8 NA Toyota engine with its 
bellhousing and clutch plates (fan to clutch engine.)
 
If you can not verify the distance the engine has 
covered or the hours it has run then replace the timing belt, timing belt 
tensioners and check the injector nozzles to see if they are flat faced or 
burnt (pitted). If pitted replace the injector nozzles.
 
Take the gearbox and transfer box from the vehicle 
and place it on blocks so it sits in its correct position, as though it was 
still mounted in the vehicle (the angles need to be correct longitudinally and 
across the box.) 
 
At this stage the Bell housing should still be on 
the removed gearbox. 
 
There are two types of clutch operating systems 
fitted to the YJ. One is an internal unit- constructed thrust bearing and 
slave cylinder, the other is a separate clutch slave cylinder that fits through 
from the back of the bellhousing and presses onto a clutch fork. This later is 
very important to get the distances correct in the movement of the fork type. 
You will need to measure the exact distance from the front face of the gearbox 
to the center of travel position on the clutch fork along the thrust bearing 
slide shaft. Don't measure from the bellhousing as this will be 
discarded.
 
Remove the bellhousing off the Toyota engine. 
Place the front end of the bellhousing over a 3/4 inch plate of steel 
and with a marker pen mark all the holes and the inside and outside of the 
bellhousing onto the plate. Pay particular attention to the locating dowels 
and the starter motor mount holes.
 
Remove the bellhousing from the YJ gearbox. Place 
the back end of the bellhousing from the YJ onto a 3/4 inch plate and mark out 
the plate with a marker pen making sure to get locating dowels in their correct 
position.
 
Take the clutch plate and locate one with a spline 
that fits the YJ spigot shaft and the same diameter friction area as the 
original from the Toyota engine. If you can't find one no worries strip the 
clutch plate and fit the Jeep center into a new Toyota plate and replace the 
rivets.
 
With a pin punch mark out the inside and outside of 
the two plates. Also pin punch all the holes. Note; some of the holes in the 
copy of the engine plate will need to be Tapped/threaded and one for the clutch 
fork pivot in the gear box housing will need to be tapped/threaded. Once pilot 
holes are drilled in both plates remember which holes need to be what size and 
which need threads tapped into them. 
 
Cut out both plates with a cutting torch and with a 
small grinder clean all surfaces. Drill all the holes to the correct sizes and 
thread those holes needing threads. 
 
Remove the spigot bearing from the center of the 
crank shaft on the Toyota engine and machine up a bronze bush that is firm 
in the crankshaft and slightly loose on the end of the spigot shaft. Fit the 
bush to the Toyota crankshaft. (A bush is okay as the Nissans use a bush and so 
do many other vehicles. The needle rollers that come out are not so easy to 
locate, hence the bush option.
 
Assemble the clutch and pressure plate onto the 
Toyota engine, making sure that the spigot shaft slides in with 
ease.
 
Fit one plate to the rear of the engine and one to 
the front of the gearbox. Keep the gearbox as it was blocked up on wood chocks 
or some such so that it sits well off the ground but in the exact angles and 
position it would when in the YJ. Slide the engine back onto the spigot shaft 
making sure that the distance that you measured to the center of the clutch fork 
from the face of the gearbox is where the clutch pressure plate rests on the 
clutch thrust bearing.
 
Check that all is aligned with all bolts in place 
and the rear engine plate you have made parallel to the front gearbox plate you 
have made. Also the engine back where the clutch fork was measured to be in 
the center of its travel and the engine not leaning to either side. That is no 
lean on the engine. Make sure at this stage that the engine and gearbox are 
firmly chocked in this position.
 
With 1inch by 1/8 inch flat bar cut lengths to go 
under the engine bolts on the plate you made for the engine and extend to 
the outer rim of the gearbox plate you made. That is the flat bar should not be 
bent but go straight from just under a bolt on the engine plate to the outer 
area of the gearbox plate. Put one bar at the top, cut another for the correct 
length to fit at 90 degrees from the top bar and then the same for one on the 
other side of the engine. Weld these bars in place. Measuring all the time and 
making sure the engine or gearbox does not move. Fill in the gaps around the 
plates you made joining the engine to the gearbox with 1 inch flat 
bar.
 
Remember that the bolts on the engine plate you 
made will need to be removed so make the welds with just enough clearance for a 
ring spanner and thin walled sock

Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-20 Thread lres1

Jason & Katie wrote.

> actually, the big Cat 4cylinders can be shoehorned into a full sized
pickup,
> and they get about 20 mpg in the rigs they were designed for. in the
smaller
> PU's they should get a major boost in mileage because there's so much less
> weight to shove around.


Correct the big Cat 4's will fit.

However the Big Cat 4 cylinders (3304 etc) are not known to run continuously
at 4K to 5K RPM, The connecting rods have gradings, from memory, of 2oz
differences in weight as acceptable. They are also not so good in the power
to weight ratio. John Deere makes a very good 4 cylinder with twin rotating
balance shafts. This again will run all day at 2,200 but not at the 4K to 5K
range required by transportation, they are also very heavy. Both the above
makes are not cheep for parts or purchase.

The P3 was the Perkins fitted to taxis for a while in the 30's and the P4
and P6 fitted to buses and other machines of the time such as loaders and
the Massey Ferguson tractor. The 3 cylinder engines, plus the 6 & 12 etc,
take the least in balancing as they are all dynamically balanced thus there
weight can be reduced through the lack of counter balance shafts or weighted
crankshafts.

Doug.


> - Original Message - 
> From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels
>
>
> The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
> Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
> Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
> ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
> but not sure on that.
>
> Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
> who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
> reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
> are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
> veggie oil for a few years.
>
> On 5/18/06, lres1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the
> > world
> > Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.
>
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > > The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
> > > shift model.
> > > The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
> > > the 70's.  Miserable cars.
> > >
> > > The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.
The
> > > GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
> > > there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
> > > Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
> > >
> > > bob allen wrote:
> > >
> > > >about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
> > > >displacements
> > of about 7 liters. No
> > > >small trucks and no sedans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jan Warnqvist wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
> > > >>concerning
> > > >>BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
> > > >>European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that
> > > >>true,
> > > >>and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
> > > >>
> > > >>Jan Warnqvist
> > > >>
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-20 Thread lres1

Ford have had for several years not only the availability 
to Mazda Diesel engines but also the derivative of the Daimler Puch Styre 
engine. The Landrover Discoveries and others run with this now Ford engine. It 
has all but the same power to weight as petrol but is very expensive in parts 
and technology. There is no connection to the engine other than by electronics 
in the throttle/accelerator. The unit is solely computerized. See an earlier 
article I wrote. US$22,000 for the test and diagnostic equipment for the Fords 
all up last quote. 

Have not seen the specs on the latest Ford light trucks 
and pickups but presume them to be operating the derivatives of either Mazda or 
Styre (Daimler Puch). Would very much like to know the engine configuration if 
you have the information.

Being me I would wander if Ford were just after the 
machining and equipment as an engine factory from Cummins. Seems with new laws 
coming in for diesel emissions that the Cummins would need a total face lift to 
comply, not just a Cat added to the exhausts. Where Ford already has the 
engine, the know how and needs the place and name. 

Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Craig Harris 

  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American 
  diesels

  Ford planning on buying Cummins and also introducing a hybrid diesel. 
  F150 are all ready running in target cities with diesels.

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Weaver 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:52 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American 
diesels
The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still 
no stick shift model.The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 
5.7 liter conversions of the 70's.  Miserable cars.The 
Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The 
GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.there were many 
models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,  Mazda, MB and 
VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.bob allen 
wrote:>about the only american made diesels are trucks with 
engine displacements of about 7 liters. No >small trucks and no 
sedans.>>>Jan Warnqvist wrote:>  
>>>Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for 
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Re: [Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel

2006-05-20 Thread lres1

Jim,
Very easy to put into the early Jeeps and keep the original gear box and
transfer box as well as the 4 wheel drive.

There are two different early jeeps, well quite a lot really. Made by Ford
and many other companies, the original designer got zippo for his troubles
in designing them. The basic difference is the bonnet a high bonnet and a
low bonnet. That is one has a bonnet that is about 8 Inches high and thus
the radiator etc to match, the other has a bonnet about 2 inches high at the
most. Am at present rebuilding one with the low bonnet. Have just finished a
CJ5 series with a Nissan Diesel and gear box as the front end was rubbish.

Low bonnet: Your limit here is the height to clear the sump from the front
end and the throttle cable to clear the bonnet as the throttle cable sits on
top of the engine over the breather pipes thus it being the highest part of
the engine.

High bonnet: All but any thing in the way of a 4 cylinder will fit as that
extra 6 inches leaves a lot more room to play with and keep all intact.

Removal of the fan shroud also leaves a lot more room to the front where the
cramping would normally take place. An overhead cam belt drive 2.2 or 2.4L
does very well in the high and low bonnet. Need to modify the sump and oil
pickups plus a few other items, especially in the low bonnet version, and
make the bellhousing/adapter plate. However all this is quite easy.

Need also to know if it is Ford or other make of the original engine. One
has part of the bellhousing as part of the cylinder block casting one has a
flat finish to the rear of the block, very easy to see the difference in the
blocks.

The intake manifold for these engines was from memory the first to
incorporate the NZ design of a "hotbox" for more fuel economy. If your jeep
is original it is easy to run on Ethanol due to the manifold system if it
has the NZ design fitted as original. The original has the manifold coming
up slightly from the carburetor and sits on top bolted to the exhaust
manifold. Very easy for water injection and ethanol this system. Flat head
side valve 4 cylinder no oil filter but an accessory fitted later.

As above is very easy to fit a Toyota 2.2 or 2.4 NA engine into these
vehicles. Did you want the four wheel drive still working as original?

Doug

> Doug,
> would it be possible to put a Toyota diesel into a 1958 Willys Jeep?
>
> Jim
>
> lres1 wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > If any one wants to make a light truck or 4 wheel drive such as Ford,
> > Chev or Jeep conversion to a Toyota or some such Diesel engine there
> > are some quite easy steps to achieving it using the original
> > transmission etc. Can do this on the JtF sight as can give pictures
> > and instructions.
> >
> > If you want to know how to fabricate the adapters we can do it on the
> > JtF sight. If this is okay with the admin.
> >
> > Doug
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread lres1

Zeke,

The Jeep is available in the diesel manual transmission with VM as an export
unit only through Denmark as far as I can find.

Doug

From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels


> Nope, the jeep liberty is an italian company -- Venti or something?
> Another poster had the name right.  2.8 liter common rail diesel.  I
> know a few people who use B20 in them without issues.  I hadn't priced
> the premium out. (because you can't get a manual transmission in them,
> so i didn't want one anyway)
>
> The sprinter van from Dodge uses a mercedes 3 liter diesel though.
>
> On 5/19/06, Williams, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the diesel available in the current Jeep Liberty is a
> > Mercedes 2.7 and it's a pricy option at around $5,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Jonathan Dunlap
> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:56 AM
> > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels
> >
> >
> > Thank you!
> > I can use this information.
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > lres1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that
was
> > fitted
> > to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but
was
> > taken
> > over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to
go
> > through
> > the roof.
> >
> > The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts
for
> > running
> > and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control
systems
> > for
> > this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified
truck
> > engine to
> > fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a
> > problem in
> > many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed
> > back
> > system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine
had
> > been
> > jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.
> >
> > The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts
of
> > the world
> > Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel
> > engines.
> >
> > Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are
> > easily
> > fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original
transmissions.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > > The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still
no
> > stick
> > > shift model.
> > > The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter
conversions
> > of
> > > the 70's. Miserable cars.
> > >
> > > The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the
> > Fords. The
> > > GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
> > > there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu,
> > Toyota,
> > > Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
> > >
> > > bob allen wrote:
> > >
> > > >about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
> > displacements
> > of about 7 liters. No
> > > >small trucks and no sedans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jan Warnqvist wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
> > concerning
> > > >>BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are
> > prefering
> > > >>European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is
> > that true,
> > > >>and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
> > > >>
> > > >>Jan Warnqvist
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>>
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> >

Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread lres1

Zeke

My Chev 350 petrol/gas 4 X 4 has more than 400K miles on it and have not
taken a head off yet. Runs a fog of blue on initial start up and then is
fine. It does need a rebuild to stop the blue hugh on starting.

Some train engines as part of their technical specifications must be able to
operate well over the million mile mark before rebuilds or major work. It is
nothing to get 500K miles from a diesel engine. The trick is low sulfur
fuels. Detroit two stroke diesels from my experiences do not last long on
high sulfur fuels. But then the 4 cylinders to the V 16 are generally easy
to rebuild insitue.

Doug


> Hmmm.  Our school bus has the international DT466 (inline 6), from
> 1981, with about 400k miles so far (one rebuild on it so far), and
> runs great still.
>
> I think that taking care of the engine can make a big difference --
> I've actually heard of people who have gotten 150k miles on the GM 5.7
> liter diesel.  And who have blown up VW diesels in 50k miles.  Design
> of the engine is one thing, but not the whole story
>
> On 5/19/06, Dan Albano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Older Ford 3/4 and 1 ton pickups were available here in the states with
a
> > 6.9 liter and 7.3 liter V8 naturally aspirated IDI diesel engine made by
> > International/Navistar.  They were available up until 1994 when Ford
> > replaced them with the 7.3 liter Powerstroke, which was a DI
turbocharged
> > engine, which performed much better than the previous engines.  I own a
1990
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exhaust
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were
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> > around 145000 miles, and usually need to be replaced.  The top end
(valves,
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rebuilt.
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them
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread lres1

Mike

The Toyota Diesel engines into the US Toyota pickups, Hilux, 4Runner, Surf
and many more is an easy transplant from 4 cylinder petrol/gas to 4 cylinder
diesel as you say.

For Toyota the Bellhousing needs to be changed along side the engine change
as the starter is on the opposite side in the diesel. The original gear box
can be used even the transfer box if a 4 wheel drive is being converted.
Other than this the rest of the swap from 4 cylinder Toyota petrol/gas to
the 4 cylinder Toyota diesel turbo or NA is a very straight forward swap
needing the radiator/coolant pipes changed, the different air filter
assembly if possible and the wiring in of a double timer for the glow plugs.

When starting most diesel engines the light/indicator for the glow plugs
goes off before the glow plugs turn off. The glow plugs are turned off or
pulsed with a timer. The indicator light is just controlled by a simple
timer that says the glow plugs/combustion chamber should be hot enough when
the indicator lamp goes off. The glow plugs should stay on for several
seconds, 15 to 20, longer even with the key in the start position. Thus the
double timer. The other way is a single timer and the oil pressure turning
the glow plugs off, this however means that if the engine is being bleed
then the oil pressure will come up and the glow plugs will not work till the
oil pressure drops, especially long times in cold weather. The better is to
use a back EMF from the Alternator to shut the relay for the glow plugs off.
Many conversions forget to take into account that the glow plug light goes
off but the plugs stay with power on. The indicator is just that, for
starting the engine. GM in many cases uses a pulse system even when the
engine is running the plugs maybe pulsing for several minutes after the
initial cold start.

One of the bigger problems in conversions is not fitting the engine but the
rear axle ratios. It would seem that with the Toyota diesel engines
transplanted into the petrol/gas driven Toyota 4 cylinder vehicles the
differential ratios are close enough to not need any changes.

Some of the Ford sedans due to the high revving ability of the petrol/gas
engine to convert to diesel the differential ratios may need to be changed.
Most Toyota diesels will pull to 4,200 rpm a far cry from the 5,000 to 7,000
plus of some of the Ford petrol/gas engines, hence to convert some Fords,
other than trucks/pickups 1/2 to1 ton the ratios need changing to give the
longer legs for long trips. The 4,2L 1HZ fits real sweetly into the Fords to
replace the 351 CI gas engine. The same 1HZ 4.2 will fit easily to exchange
into GM to replace the 308 and above. Hill climbing with heavy loads
requires the addition of a turbo on the above trucks but is not so hard to
fit.

Another option with differential ratios is to change tyre and rim sizes.
Some 15 inch rims changed to 16 inch rims and equivalent larger tyre
diameters give the same as changing differential ratios but much cheaper and
easier to make the modification. Suppose a GM is on 15 inch rims and a
diesel has been fitted with lower rev range than the original. By changing
the tyre and rim sizes to larger diameter the top speed or long legs are
still there for long distance cruising. This change is also used as an
option to give longer legs to a car travelling long distances to keep the
revs down and to improve fuel economy. A "City" vehicle needs the smaller
wheels with more acceleration than does a long distance touring vehicle. Not
many manufacturers make the ideal for long distance and city driving in the
same vehicle. For this reason some people keep two sets of tyres and rims,
one for city driving and for holidays and long distance a change to the
larger diameter.

The advantages of a turbo are many so are the disadvantages. Can discuss.
The turbo makes for a reasonable increase in torque and is an ideal
accomplice to add a small jet to allow water to be drawn into the suction
side, atomized by the blower and thus increase the torque even more. Turbos
generally can be a pain if not taken care of. For longevity the better is
forced oil lubricated and water cooled. Garrett do nice units as do many
other companies as after market fits. The room under the hood is your only
limiting factor. The VM Jeep engine is a danger if the air filter gets
clogged to any degree at all as the VM turbo will drag the oil through the
turbo seals and engine PCV system and destroy the engine. Melts pistons at
worst.

Doug

> You can (or could) buy low mileage Toyota diesel engines and
> transmissions from a guy on Ebay working out of Florida.  Toyota diesels
> are pretty bullet-proof and I've used them in Africa - they're great.
> They are a bolt-in for almost US Toyota products.
>
> -Mike
>
> Jonathan Dunlap wrote:
>
> > Thank you!
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[Biofuel] Conversion tyo diesel

2006-05-19 Thread lres1




Hello all,
 
If any one wants to make a light truck or 4 wheel 
drive such as Ford, Chev or Jeep conversion to a Toyota or some such 
Diesel engine there are some quite easy steps to achieving it using the original 
transmission etc. Can do this on the JtF sight as can give pictures and 
instructions.
 
If you want to know how to fabricate the adapters 
we can do it on the JtF sight. If this is okay with the admin.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread lres1

The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was fitted
to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was taken
over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go through
the roof.

The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for running
and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems for
this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck engine to
fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a problem in
many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed back
system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had been
jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the world
Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.

Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are easily
fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

Doug



> The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
> shift model.
> The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
> the 70's.  Miserable cars.
>
> The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The
> GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
> there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
> Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
>
> bob allen wrote:
>
> >about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine displacements
of about 7 liters. No
> >small trucks and no sedans.
> >
> >
> >Jan Warnqvist wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you concerning
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Re: [Biofuel] Mythbusters screw up.

2006-05-15 Thread lres1

As far as I knew there were only four major types of fuel injection pumps.

1/ An inline pump with each piston in the pump adjustable to give the right
amount of injection with the changing quantities controlled by a rack
against the back end of the piston plungers whose housings incorporate screw
type lifts variable by the rack. That is the further the rack moves the
further the plunger pistons move and the more fuel injected. Normally these
are heavy duty pumps, expensive in the initial costs but very reliable and
can take heavier fluids more so than types 2 and 4. Early H and B series
Toyota engines, and many more.

2/ The DPA type rotary head pump with swash type arrangement to give
delivery. Generally a very weak pump and in need of constant maintenance
with one pump head feeding many injector nozzles. Not so well to operate as
1 above on heavier fluids.

3/ The single direct injection pump per cylinder run off an engine cam
shaft. This is in single and multi-cylinder engines. A great advantage of
these is they are so easy to repair, maintain and can be mostly done on the
side of the road as repairs. There can be many cylinders with this type of
independent pump per cylinder from 2 inch (Peters) to over 18 inches in
diameter. This type of injector system is my preference as it enables much
adjustment with very little technical equipment, (some just use shims and
others are set like tappets in an engine) See Duetz and marine Kubota,
Ruston singles to Ruston oil engines (crude oil injection direct, that stuff
can be like bituminum) to "liberty" engines. very easy to modify to heavier
fuels.

4/ The worst of the lot for me is the "common Rail" which uses a high
pressure pump and then electronics to adjust timing and fuel flows. A real
nightmare if heavy oils are used and hard to re-set the parameters on the
Power Control Module or what ever the designer designated the computer
control system as (PCM, ECM, PTCM etc). In amongst this lot is the Daimler
Puch engine design. This being developed as the Styre engine, now in many
configurations in vehicles, boats and other equipment as the power to weight
ration is all but equal to that of gas/petrol. This type of engine normally
injects twice per firing stroke, with the injectors and pumps being
unit-construction with one per cylinder. Due to the abolition of high
pressure fuel lines these injectors can inject at 3 to 4 rimes the pressure
of a system as in 1 to 3 above. this gives the best possible burning but is
sensitive to fuels and again is controlled by computerized   systems of
carious makes. I have never seen a heavy fuel run in any of these engines.
Has any one?

I opt for one and three above as they are easiest to work on and clean,
generally the injectors are basic as well and as long as shims are not mixed
up the injectors can be stripped and cleaned in a home garage without a POP
tester. All the other units are mostly throw aways once worn.

Just some thoughts when choosing what engine to use.

Doug.

PS Has any one tried converting a 4.0 liter fuel injected Jeep Wrangler to
ethanol of 895% and 15% water direct from fuel tank to injectors water and
all?

> Well, if they did it in Arizona in the Summer...
>
> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
> > A mercedes probably won't immediately die on  WVO.  It uses a gear
> >driven plunger type injector pump instead of the more common timing
> >belt driven rotary style.  From what I have heard, it can handle more
> >viscous fluid alot easier.
> >
> >Of course, you'll still get coking of the injectors from cold oil, and
> >if you try this on any other diesel other than a detroit diesel, which
> >has piston type unit injectors, your injector pump won't be happy.
> >
> >So, yes, they blew it.  They just happened to pick the one vehical
> >that would stand it for a while...
> >
> >On 5/14/06, Alan Petrillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Mythbusters episode 53
> >>
>
>>http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/episode.html?clik=fa
nmain_leftnav
> >>
> >>the Mythbusters tackled "The Great Gas Conspiracy".  One of the things
> >>they covered was vegetable oil in diesels.
> >>
> >>They blew it.
> >>
> >>They ran a Mercedes on WVO, and several times made the point that "this
> >>was an unmodified diesel engine", and "anyone could just pour this stuff
> >>in their tank".  They made that "unmodified" point several times.
> >>
> >>I expect we're going to see a rash of ruined injection pumps thanks to
> >>this.  Maybe if they receive an avalanche of email they'll revisit the
> >>vegetable oil diesel subject before their screwup costs a lot of people
> >>a lot of money.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

2006-05-12 Thread lres1

Be skeptical with a very open mind, the mind and eyes can all be deceived.

Patent office closing due to lack of patents early last century.

Ships at sea can only get to 28Knots, "the stone wall effect" limit until
multi hulls came along and other variances. Now we get 80 + knots

The sound barrier can't be broken.

Saw a lawn mower running on oxygen, turned out to be acting similar to
compressed air to run like a steam engine. No pollution from the engine
though? Bit of a loss though as the oxygen had to be compressed as
industrial oxygen into heavy bottles.

The list goes on, me I try to figure and experiment to see what is possible
when a new idea comes up. Be skeptical with an open mind and thought
processing. There are many fronts in a scientific and industrial world that
could never be broken that over time have.

Be durned sure interesting to see a fair evaluation by an independent
skeptic with an open mind.

Doug.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

2006-05-11 Thread lres1




An item I read of late that turned up on my PC 
suggests figures, "Only about 1.6 percent of the water on Earth is fresh. Most 
of it is locked, unusable for living things, in snow and the ice at the poles 
and on the peaks of the highest mountains."
 
Doug.
 

  
  Another issue concerning the Car Powered by Water: Even if the invention 
  works as he claims it does, i don't think water is the answer for a fuel 
  source for cars. Yeah, it has basically no pollution and all, but what would 
  happen to the water supply when everbody and their mom wants to "fill up"? I 
  think most of us know what a valuable resource water is, and the pressing 
  concerns for its availability in the coming years. Irrigation for crops and 
  feed crops already consumes approx 85%-90% of the industrial water usage of 
  the water supply (40% of that comes from groundwater tables) -and a lot of 
  that is lost to evaporation/transpiration. Just a 
  thought...-Chris
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Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of bombing Iran

2006-05-08 Thread lres1




My thoughts only.
If Ike E wanted to stop W.W.II why did he halt the 
advance of Montgomery? Did this halt mean that the "cold war" and all it entails 
kept the war machines/companies alive? I put it to you if the war had stopped in 
one hit how many would have been out of work and how many companies ruling 
global economies would have been affected? Could we not look upon the drawing 
out of W.W.II that extra year as a preliminary to give time to set up the cold 
war and thus there was no Communism as such just a different form of democracy 
which seems now to have hit real hard in the US. $36M compensation to GM by the 
US for bombing the GM factory that was making equipment for Germany. This does 
not sit right as does not the extension of the war for one year after reading 
Montgomery and other such books, it sure seems like a set up as does the North 
Atlantic Treaty Organization. What a lot of top paying jobs, one gets to be 
President and to pay GM and others out. How neat does it all fit?
 
The US Gov have the funds to give GM and 
Chrysler for bailouts but zippo to Harley Davidson which was more American than 
America. Thanks to Dr Demming and some of his principals the Hogs still run with 
no thanks to the US Gov at all let alone bankers and the Loan shark after the 
railway lands.
 
Given a thousand years we may be able to straighten 
out the mess that so few have made with the blinded majority as 
followers.
 
Wanderings only.
Doug 

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  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of 
  bombing Iran
  
  Hakan,
   
  "...so also the fight against an illusive communism.""Illusive" 
  is a good word to describe it, although I prefer to call it 
  non-existant?The confrontation was between the US and an 
  expanding fascist empire in Russia. However, calling it "communist" is as 
  deceptive as the so called "war on terror", "war on drugs" or "war on...", 
  etc. Either way, I think we're on the same page and in my opinion, your 
  observation is an important one."When the Stalinist bureaucracy arose 
  beginning in the early 1920s, Trotsky, who had been the key organizer of the 
  1917 insurrection and who had led the Red Army to victory in the Civil War, 
  became the champion of the fight against Stalin. Before his death in 1924, 
  Lenin had begun to challenge the rising bureaucracy, which included a proposal 
  (suppressed by the central committee after his death) to remove Stalin from 
  his position as General Secretary of the party."
   
  http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/543/543_09_Intenationalism.shtml
   
   
  MikeHakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote: 
  It 
goes deeper than short memory and only the Bush machine. Bush is only taking 
unfair advantages of a much large and loner term effort. For the Americans 
the WWII has not yet stopped, so also the fight against an illusive 
communism. It is a part of the general picture of keeping the 
Americans happy in their belive about heroism and the "good purposes", it is 
a part of empire building. It is not new, the Greeks and Romans understood 
this well, with the gladiator games. They keep us, the public, entertained 
and controllable. The motives and the gains are obscure with smoke screen of 
higher moral values. AH understood this and voiced many times an 
envy over the American skills. He built his propaganda apparatus with US as 
the model, he was especially impressed by the Hollywood part of it. 
Hakan At 04:54 08/05/2006, you wrote:
I think this poll shows how 
  the short term memory of Americans is totally lacking. Also it 
  showshow effective the propaganda machine of BushCo is. In a word, 
  terrorfying.Peace, D. Mindock  P.S. We have met the enemy and he 
  is us.Poll: Strong U.S. Support for 
  Bombing Iran An Internet poll 
  sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in 
  favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's 
  nuclear weapons program. Nearly 
  60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out 
  of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working. 
  A large majority of respondents 
  also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did 
  before the Iraq War. NewsMax will 
  provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio 
  talk-show hosts across the country. Here are the poll questions and results: 1) Do you 
  believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are 
  working?Working: 7 percentNot Working: 93 percent 
  2) Should the United States rely 
  solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program?Yes: 11 
  percentNo: 89 percent 3) Do 
  you believe Iran poses a greater threat t

Re: [Biofuel] distilling fuel/reactant ethanol

2006-05-04 Thread lres1

Jason & Katie wrote
> 1. exposing a substance to vacuum lowers the boiling point

In some instances this is used to lower the temperature such as in the
extraction of Tee Tree oils. This gives the oil derived by such means a
higher re-sale value as it is not "boiled" off at high temperatures.

> 2. a substance under vacuum vaporizes more quickly than at atmospheric
> pressure

This brings to me yet another question. A lot of old automotive sensors
using capillary tubes used an alcohol base as the expansion medium. How does
Ethanol compare to R134a as a refrigerant? From what I can glean the
freezing temp is low and the boiling point low thus close to an ideal
refrigerant?

Doug


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Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation

2006-05-02 Thread lres1




Kirk,
I am an operator in many fields from electronics to 
sustainable live stock and forestation and alternative fuels from wastes. 
Treading a very unstable and un-balanced line between the haves and the have 
nots and those that will never have. It is obligatory to educate ourselves with 
the purpose of giving future generations reasons for hope.
 
Coffee is very labor intensive in the Arabica line 
and thus also has better returns for farmers/growers that are not broadening 
their shadows through seating. Tis so true what the conglomerates do to the 
local farmers. No responsibility at all, not even the training to better life or 
sustainability which in the long run leads to the conglomerate looking for new 
soils to spoils. However there are some good guys here that work with minority 
groups and thus keep the processing within the growers family allowing for 
greater rewards to the farmers/growers family. Just a handful of people but a 
difference is there. It shows that how come farmer X gets more and yet 
farmer Y supports the conglomerates. Some is just plain lazy and others not 
understanding.
 
The tasks here are humungous to begin with, China 
in the North, Thailand in the West, Viet Nam to the East and Cambodia to the 
South. We, the most heavily bombed country in the world with no declaration of 
war against the US.
 
The coffee by those that do it right and spend the 
time with discriminate harvesting make a real good product. Have sent samples to 
many parts of the world and no negative feed back except that there is no "kick" 
to the coffee. It is just a real smooth refreshing drink.
 
Let me know if you want to try a sample of coffee 
from here.
 
My first electric bicycle I made in 1973, my home 
was powered by wind in 1972. Been with wind powered pumps for many years and 
probably the first solar powered cattle station. Am into design of electric 
transport for individuals and ethanol power. The bio-diesel plant should be 
up and running by years end. My first "How to make Ethanol fuel" is out in 
pamphlet form in the local language with how to make the Ethanol and how to 
modify engines to run on Ethanol, the book is available free to those that want. 

 
As one once said "The future belongs to those that 
give future generations reason for hope".
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirk 
  McLoren 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 4:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee 
  deforestation
  
  laotel.com? Are you in Thailand?
  Yes, a good cup of coffee is a delight. 
  Are you a grower?
   
  Kirklres1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  



Kirk,
This may be true in some cases and in some 
types of beans, there are some real horrible concoctions under the term 
coffees out there that should be banned from being called coffee. 
However the Arabica grown here is organic and hand picked, sun dried and 
then roasted. It is a top Arabica and as such is treated with much 
respect to bush, soil, pruning, harvesting. It only takes one green Arabica 
bean to deteriorate the taste to a third grade product with no real sale 
value unless used for "blending". This is normally a very small percentage 
of Arabica with the rest being the bitter and taste filled seeds from 
Robusta. The wholesale picking or indiscriminate picking/harvesting of 
the Robusta means all beans are picked and the tree/bush stripped. Robusta 
has no great value to the grower and as such gets the appropriate 
treatment of a poor sales product. There is not the profit for small farms 
to take care in the growing or harvesting and care of the Robusta 
coffee.
 
100% sun dried and medium roasted Arabica 
makes for a low Caf low taste coffee of excellent choice. Arabica can be 
likened to a gentle awakening in the mornings with roosters calling etc, 
Robusta can be likened to being chucked out of bed, a bucket of cold water 
thrown over you and given a brutal kick start to the day. Robusta 
the 24/7 of today's life styles/ Arabica the 8/5 and the family 
life.
 
More information if you require is 
available from here, as are samples of the real stuff.
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kirk 
  McLoren 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:59 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown 
  coffee deforestation
  
  I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even 
  worse to the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked 
  by defoliating the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the 
  ripe ones. Thus the current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the 
  state of the beans. Also they are allowed one or two percent trash 
  (contaminants) and I assume this to be defoliant contaminated

Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee deforestation

2006-05-01 Thread lres1

Kirk,
This may be true in some cases and in some
types of beans, there are some real horrible concoctions under the term coffees
out there that should be banned from being called coffee. However the
Arabica grown here is organic and hand picked, sun dried and then roasted. It is
a top Arabica and as such is treated with much respect to bush, soil,
pruning, harvesting. It only takes one green Arabica bean to deteriorate the
taste to a third grade product with no real sale value unless used for
"blending". This is normally a very small percentage of Arabica with the rest
being the bitter and taste filled seeds from Robusta. The wholesale picking
or indiscriminate picking/harvesting of the Robusta means all beans are picked
and the tree/bush stripped. Robusta has no great value to the grower and as
such gets the appropriate treatment of a poor sales product. There is not the
profit for small farms to take care in the growing or harvesting and care of the
Robusta coffee.
100% sun dried and medium roasted Arabica
makes for a low Caf low taste coffee of excellent choice. Arabica can be likened
to a gentle awakening in the mornings with roosters calling etc, Robusta can be
likened to being chucked out of bed, a bucket of cold water thrown over
you and given a brutal kick start to the day. Robusta the 24/7 of
today's life styles/ Arabica the 8/5 and the family life.
More information if you require is available
from here, as are samples of the real stuff.
Doug

- Original Message -
From:
Kirk
McLoren
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sun-grown coffee
deforestation

I find I can only tolerate organic coffee. My wife responds even worse to
the regular stuff. It is my understanding non organic is picked by defoliating
the tree and all the beans are taken at once not just the ripe ones. Thus the
current trend for heavy or "French" roast to mask the state of the beans. Also
they are allowed one or two percent trash (contaminants) and I assume this to
be defoliant contaminated leaves.
Monsanto strikes again.
Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The
article below regarding sun-grown coffee deforestation was sent to me.
Does anyone know more about this?MarilynAmericans consume
130,000,000 cups of coffee every day? Until the 1970s, farmers mostly
used sustainable agricultural techniques to grow coffee. Traditionally,
shade grown coffee plants are interspersed under a shielding canopy of
trees that create more biodiversity and bird habitat with less need for
chemical inputs. In recent decades, however, a desire to boost
production has caused many producers to abandon traditional shade
growing techniques in favor of coffee grown in the sun under aggressive
application of fertilizers and pesticides. In the process, vast
stretches of native forests were cleared. Latin America currently has
the world's highest deforestation rate, in part due to this conversion
to sun-grown coffee. To learn more about shade grown coffee and
where you can obtain it,
http://www.pachamama.org/updates/index.php?month=5&year
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Re: [Biofuel] eBay auction for virgin soy oil

2006-04-28 Thread lres1

Was not sure why one would pay a high price for a virgin oil until I found
that special soaps needed different grades of oils. Some specialty market
soaps require high grade oils and other contents to reach niche markets.
Could this be the case with this oil?

Here the last lot of Jatropha seeds sold for $0.50 a kilo, does not make for
good economics for fuel alone but does make full sense taken into account,
soap, fuels, feeds and all byproducts that can be gained from the seed and
husks.

Doug

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] eBay auction for virgin soy oil


> The price I hear quoted here in Arkansas is 17 cents a pound for virgin
> oil.
>
> greg Kelly wrote:
> > There is an auction going on eBay for virgin soy oil
> > that  has me wondering. The man selling it says the
> > lot is 4 barrells of oil totalling 232 gallons, 1700
> > net pounds. It is currently selling at auction for
> > around 25 cents per pound, or about $1.83 USD per
> > gallon. People are jumping all over this guy,
> > proclaiming what a great price it is, yada, yada,
> > yada.
> > It sure seems to me that at $1.83 per gallon, plus the
> > delivery,methanol, KOH, time involved, the reactor
> > cost and energy to do the process, cost of biodiesel
> > from this stuff will be easily approaching $2.50 USD
> > per gallon. Is there something wrong here, am I
> > missing something that will make this all worth it? It
> > sure isn't going to be the savings on KOH.
> > Can the expense and time of collecting WVO be worth
> > $1.00 or more per gallon of my time?
> > The more I think about this, the more I think I should
> > simply sit back, watch the fun and be amused at the
> > spectacle. Greg Kelly
> > Just search "biodiesel", it has a bout a day and a
> > half to run. You won't be able to miss it.
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Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-19 Thread lres1




What we would like and what is reality can be very different 
to each and every one of us.
 
For me reality is the "W" factor built into many of my 
projects, to this end their needs be a base line against loss and gain, this 
line is zero in many instances. I am very interested in the press as a saleable 
item from me to others as;
 
One there is the option to buy, the option to lease or the 
option to payoff over several years interest free. (Note, here it is about a 
years wages).
 
Two I retain the equipment and have an ongoing interest in the 
development of each sub group or family that wants to make their own 
fuel.
 
Three let the presses be sold with great profit to large aid 
groups and the likes who push for their own needs rather than the needs of the 
people, that is most aid agencies to me are selfperpetuating non-taxpaying 
international conglomerates that rule tiny parts of the globe but as a combined 
group perform some horrific degradation of human rights. There are many that are 
parasitic to the plights and prey on the poor/disadvantaged/disaster victims and 
the likes. In some cases they have the new cars in stock ready to roll, the new 
equipment stored around the globe ready to roll. What the heck is wrong with 
using local people, local companies, local systems. TV and general media is why. 
Why specify new cars in projects? Maybe they have a used by date?
 
There are benefits both ways, one of the major ones is as in 
two I get to keep a check on the quality which enables excess to the family or 
units needs to be sold in drums on the side of the road/river. It also enables 
me to guide the type of fuel crop and be a continuing part of the processes at 
no additional cost to the family or unit. It is feasible "W" factor 
permitting.
 
To note I have a hand press here that was donated to me, it 
works quite well but needs modifying, I will not modify it on my own as I 
believe that the original designer must partake of the "upgrade" and agree to 
it. this means he still retains the design and is not a patent or registered 
design but still his property right. To adopt laws that do not recognize people 
and property rights as such means we are going the same way as the US. It is 
imperative that we live by laws, one major law to me is "don't step  on any 
one or abuse a privilege given freely by an individual". Another, due to the 
fact I am not in my country of birth, is "Do not copy what the locals are doing 
in business as this will conflict with locals and the resurrection of insiders 
and outsiders". This enable me to carry on a business and when a local or 
locals copy it I can then change to another line/option thus introducing a wider 
spectrum of businesses. 
 
Doug

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jason & Katie 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:01 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Small oil 
  press
  i understand the need for a return, but for something that was 
  designed specifically to help the people who need it most, and then to say 
  it will cost you a months wages for one just doesnt make sense. if someone 
  is going to do that, it would make more sense to me to produce and sell 
  something to groups WAY out of the way/league/market of who you are trying 
  to help, then produce something more appropriate and viable at no cost to 
  them. shuffle the cost to the people who can more easily afford it. again, 
  this is my opinion.- Original Message - From: "Appal 
  Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: 
  Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:06 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Small oil 
  press> Sellout?>> Someone who wants to take a 
  worthwhile mechanism and make a fair return> on his efforts is more 
  probable.>> Not everyone is into or can afford to live their 
  life by the "open> source" doctrine. Usually doing so just means that 
  the masses drain the> majority of your energies, you have an even 
  thinner wallet, less time> for yourself then ever before and your 
  creditors pounding even louder at> the door.>> A person 
  deserves a fair return on their energy and it's not> unreasonable to 
  seek it. We published a biodiesel plant design in rough> form through 
  JTF and two-thirds of the inquiries we get are literally> demands for 
  more free information, inclusive of engineered drawings -> obviously at 
  our expense. They just don't get it. The design was placed> so that 
  people could see what was involved cradle to grave if they were> truly 
  interested, not as an invite to bleed more of our time to enhance> 
  their money seeking endeavors because they're too damned lazy and> 
  selfish to do the follow-up work themselves.>> Where we come 
  from there are Rainbows and then there are Drainbows. The> former is of 
  a cooperative/sharing/community mindset. The latter> operates under the 
  principle of "Hey brother. What's mine is yours and> yours is mine. But 
  sin

Re: [Biofuel] Small oil press

2006-04-18 Thread lres1




All things aside if he were to tier the costs from the poor to 
the AB and UN etc so that the poor were "subsidized" this alone would not be so 
bad.   To this end am interested to find more details. Their are not 
that many easy to use hand presses that will take the husks/shells and thus a 
two stage method is needed. The hulling and the oil press. Be good to know if a 
press existed that was operated by hand and could handle the husks to reduce the 
processing stages for isolated subsistence farmers being forced to accept modern 
technology by multinationals in the form of irrigation, if it passes you lane 
you pay etc.
Doug

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:56 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Small oil 
  press
  Hi allThe designer and manufacturer of the Piteba oil 
  press, Edwin Blaak in the Netherlands, wrote to me offlist a week ago, in 
  response to the discussion at the list. I guess somebody pointed him at 
  the messages in archives.I wrote back and said I didn't much agree 
  with him, but I didn't want to discuss it offlist, so I invited him to 
  join the list and we could discuss it all there, where we'd have a much 
  better discussion.I was hoping we might persuade him to open-source 
  the plans for his oil press.But I haven't heard from him 
  again.Since he's replying to a list discussion here, I don't see why I 
  shouldn't forward his response to the list and we can discuss it 
  anyway if we want to. If Edwin reads it at the list archives he can 
  change his mind and join if he has anything to add, or contact 
  me.He doesn't tell us much we don't know, and I think he hasn't 
  addressed the issue of why he hasn't put the plans online. Getting 
  back his investment is one thing, but he doesn't say how he thinks the 
  poor communities he talks of benefiting are to lay their hands on a Piteba 
  oil press if it's to cost 100 Euros. Designs of Appropriate Technology 
  solutions to help empower poor communities should be free online. He could 
  still sell the presses too if he wanted to, eg Joseph Jenkins provides the 
  full text of his Humanure Handbook free online at the same website he 
  sells the hard-copy version. Or have a staggered price, depending who's 
  buying. Some people concentrate on selling to big development agencies who 
  can afford the price and can put the gear to use in poor communities. 
  There are lots of ways.In fact poor rural communities have traditional 
  ways of extracting oil from seeds, they didn't have to wait for the 
  industrial revolution.The idea of an oilseed press as part of a 
  development platform including a diesel motor and power generation is not 
  exactly a new one. For instance, in a different thread at the same time 
  Pannirselvam mentioned this:"we have already made the small press 
  , thanks to Keith JTF , so simple to make , now processing coconut , 
  getting good resutls , future the sunflower and also the castor oil 
  "I don't think very much of Edwin's case for giving the poorest a 
  future. I'm not persuaded to help him sell his oil press.Here's 
  his email, below.BestKeith>>Dear 
  Keith,I read your discussion about the Piteba oil 
  press in the forum. I >>am glad you are so involved and enthusiastic 
  about the idea of a >>small press.I 
  understand that you have many questions on the press. First let >>me 
  explain what Piteba is and why I developed the Piteba oil press. >>I 
  hope you will see opportunities to support me in trying to sell 
  >>the press in as many countries as possible and in that way give 
  the >>poorest a future.I have a small 
  company in the mushroom business which I grounded in >>1982. It is a 
  very interesting and challenging business and I am >>still working 
  in that field.In my spare time I started to develop 
  the oil press 5 years ago. No >>big institute, no public money, no 
  support. My intention was to >>develop a small press for the poorest 
  in order to give them the >>possibility to produce oil for the local 
  market: as edible oil, >>medicine, cream, bio fuel or whatever use 
  they could sell the oil >>for. At present they can only sell the 
  seeds, if they have any, >>often for very low prices. With the press 
  they can produce oil from >>seeds they produce themselves (farmers), 
  find in the forest or buy >>on the local market (landless and people 
  in the cities). The value >>added is high, making it possible to 
  earn about 2 times as much as >>a local wage. There was no such 
  press on the market. All presses >>are too expensive, beginning with 
  1000 euro or more. I used the >>cheapest materials, made all 
  prototypes myself, did all experiments >>(including extraction 
  efficiencies), imported various grains(not >>all are available in 
  The Netherlands), made the web-site, developed >>the packaging, 
  promotion of the press etc. e

[Biofuel] Curiosity leads many places

2006-04-16 Thread lres1




Once was reading a book that was the end result of several 
years of study on Whales. many moons ago they could communicate over very great 
distances under water due to the silence of the seas. This communication has 
been drastically reduced due to "Sea noise Pollution".
 
Was thought of thinking, no pain this time, what is the 
heat generated by the propellers of ships and the added heat dissipation from 
all ships for cooling and as they move through the seas? How many BTU's are 
generated mechanically? 
 
The other on a wet Sunday was again thinking of the 
heat/damage by the 5,000 watt and above VHF, UHF and SHF systems used in 
communications, as well as microwave communications, satellite communications, 
HF communications, GPS communications, telephones, aha let us also include 
the chips in animals and the rest of life as well just to be sure we cover 
the future. Human sensory systems can only commute within a very small 
portion of the total spectrums involved. For whoever on his platform rotating 
about the globe with the ability to see and focus on all spectrums the 
world we live in must be like a pretty darned dirty drain with "splatter" 
all over the planet. To be able to see just the pollution from communications 
systems would surely turn would be tourists away from this neck of the galaxy. 
Why N Iran, we are probably doing it to the globe as a whole already. Can not 
find any study done in relation to Global warming through the above 
communications system, or is this to be also overlooked? Could be just no 
concern.  Now how to start a UN branch, for my future tax free 
lucrative "yes sir" employ, in conducting such a worthwhile and meaning 
full task. I can see  a good living for me and many buddies/cobbers/mates 
on this one?
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Drug Spending Out of Control

2006-04-16 Thread lres1

Shelf life??? Is the shelf life a proven shelf life and who determines the
type to date? Be good to have built in use by dates on every motor
vehicle/appliance et all, the manufacturers  would just love it. They could
fore tell sales and you would be in deep for not throwing away your unused
car before or on the "used by date". The propping up of an economy can
incorporate myriad's hidden agendas. Once the monstrosity gets momentum it
is all down hill.

Working on the theory that there is more to be loosed in morale and damage
by wounding than killing in a war such as anti-personnel mines that remove a
foot or leg. This keeps medics going and the whole chain of events behind
the medics. How much profit to stop cancer like causes of death as opposed
to the drugs that can be continually evolved at the expense of all, but none
to stop the actual disease/affliction.

Who uses a mobile phone without a remote? What is the actual damage is done
by bombarding the gray matter with VHF or UHF signals direct? Is there a
warning on mobile phones or are these companies too big as well?

International news articles are also de-tuned on drugs of new kinds. Have
sales into places from here of a reportedly cancer reducing herbal
medication. No one has picked up to say yes no nay as we are such a small
insignificant country with, it seams, no news worth money to the outside
world.
Doug

From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Drug Spending Out of Control


> The truth is that for all chronic diseases, including cancer and heart
> disease, there are safe, very effective, alternative
> solutions. Of course, Big Pharma does want you to know this or to believe
> it. So they demonize all natural method
> doctors, calling them quacks or worse. They get the FDA to raid the
offices
> of these doctors and to harass the
> staff. They threaten costly lawsuits, and so on. They use junk science to
> show that vit C and vit E are not safe.Any doctor who goes against their
> "story" about the efficacy of the allopathic drug route is going to be
> harrassed. In spite of this, Dr Mercola is running a very successful
clinic
> in Chicago and has all the patients he can handle. His very popular
website
> acts, imo, as a shield, protecting him from the attacks that other doctors
> who are "Naturally" inclined receive. Peace, D. Mindock
>
>
>
>  Web   www.Mercola.com
>
http://www.mercola.com/2006/apr/13/drug_spending_out_of_control_record_600_billion_spent_worldwide.htm
>
> Drug Spending Out of Control, Record $600 Billion Spent Worldwide
>
> Worldwide annual spending for prescription drugs has topped $600 billion
for
> the first time ever in 2005.
> The United States accounted for more than $250 billion, but the fastest
> growth was in emerging markets such as China, Russia, South Korea and
> Mexico, where sales increased an astonishing 81 percent.
> New Drugs and Old
> Biotech protein drugs, such as new anemia treatments, were among the top
> sellers in the United States, but were not best-sellers worldwide.
However,
> the market for drugs in this category still grew 17 percent to $53
billion.
> Most of the worldwide best-selling drugs were traditional "small molecule"
> drugs.
> The Next Blockbuster
> While there are many drugs with sales of $1 billion or more, there are few
> "mega-blockbusters" with sales of $5 billion or more. A hefty 2,300 drugs
> are currently being tested on humans in an attempt to find the next big
> seller.
> Wired News March 28, 2006
> Forbes.com March 21, 2006
>
>

.
>
> Dr. Mercola's Comment:
> The United States spent $1.9 trillion -- or 15 percent of the U.S.
> economy -- for "health care."  The term health care is used here because
> that is how the media refers to it, but we know that it truly is disease
> care.
> While $2 trillion seems like excessive that number is expected to reach $3
> trillion by 2011.
> What most people don't realize is that one of the primary drivers for
these
> costs are prescription drugs. About 15 percent of the amount spent on
> "health care" goes to pay for drugs. The indirect costs, of course, are
FAR
> higher.
> Not only would one need to include the cost of blood tests and physician
> visits to monitor for potential toxicity, but you also need to factor in
the
> damage that relying on drugs to treat disease causes.
> Over 100,000 people in the United States alone die from drug side effects
> each year. How can you possibly place a value on human life? Aside from
> killing people, drugs also account for 2.2 million serious injuries per
year
> in the United States, and 5 percent of all hospital admissions are due to
a
> serious drug reaction.
> In case you were wondering, here is a list of the most expensive drugs.
> Every one of these drugs can be relatively easily eliminated

Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)

2006-04-15 Thread lres1

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] accredation (old post revisited)

> Hi Jason
>
> >For those interested in self-certification, a model of grassroots
> >alternative to USDA Organic that has gone global is Certified
> >Naturally Grown.  Might be worth looking into.
>
> Yes, CNG - Compressed Natural Gas, ulp. :-)
>
> Quite a lot of argument at SANET about it recently. You can see it here,
see:
> 27. Certified Naturally Grown vs. USDA?
>
> http://lists.ifas.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A1=ind0603&L=sanet-mg
> SANET-MG Archives - March 2006
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >Jason West
> >New Paltz, NY
> >
> >
> >On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> >>>I am going to bring up an old post (February- lets accredit  ourselves)
> >>>because I read the entire thread in the archives and didn't see  any
real
> >>>decision. Why don't we form a public trade group? It would be  huge,
given
> >>>the scale and reach of our mailing list alone. It should set off a
ripple
> >>>that would bring all the private 'fuellers out of the woodwork to
> >>>support or
> >>>at least parallel our cause.
> >>
> >>Hi Jason
> >>
> >>Unless my memory errs there were objections and no consensus. Not the
> >>first time, I think the first such proposal was four or five years
> >>ago.
> >>
Two things, as to accreditation.

One, if this site is sole property then it has a resale value, no worries on
that score. At present it works, it helps, offers a place to voice plus it
expands my thinking for one without wading through the front cover, the
dedications and the rest that come in books that take several months to get
here. Would like to know with clarity either way. As could be construed by
the message below.

> >>I'm one of the objectors, by the way. That's neither here nor there
> >>until it comes to the matter of using the Biofuel list as a vehicle
> >>to extend the scale and reach of a public trade group, which could
> >>include identifying the one with the other, for one thing. The
> >>Biofuel list is not up for grabs for such purposes, or certainly not
> >>just automatically anyway.
> >>

Two, accreditation does not necessarily needs be confined to the considered
borders inherent in "accreditation" boundaries. This can bring up a point in
lobbying, as has been discussed till death, perhaps? To have a non paying
registered membership, that is those from the Global community that want can
register under their true names to add meaning as a Global voice/group. This
would be an option for each individual to join if they wanted to be part of
a list that could help instigate long term change for the better, even short
term would give breathing space. Or perhaps in years to come it will just
make job hunting difficult as the members would be listed in a non-friendly
un-sustainable list initiated by third parties. Here in resides yet another
small equation. If a person or persons of prominence want to speak out and
by doing so would put themselves and family in the cross hairs wants to
join, can they do this under an alias on the proviso that their actual name
is retained by the list owner or with no record at all? Or is this already
the case?

The 50's and 60's saw the forming of many who "wanted out" and to this end
joined communes and the likes. Only trouble was the commune was only as good
as the governance, not many of those that sprung up in such short period of
time have lasted. Some that have lasted are either based on religion or
governed by company by-laws and articles of associations or both. The free
for alls seem to have all but dissipated into the ethos.

Trusting this site is based on one or the other or both, don't need to know,
don't even need an answer just need to know that there are multitudes out
there that want sustainability accountability, education, justice and
empathy for all. Change will come behind voices, once the voices wake up.

To actually be accredited as individuals for making fuel and passing tests.
WOW I can see many openings for multitudes of new arms for buddies positions
in the
UN/WB/ADB/EU not to mention the US. This would then increase taxes or the
tax consumption rate, add more paperwork, waist time and really lead to no
place than to kill the  initiatives of those those that don't have a S S in
H of ever getting 2 cents together for registering. We have just produced a
local language booklet
with warnings etc on Ethanol production for individual family use and
manufacture, no instruments, no meters of any kind. Trialed it many times
and so far all batches have worked in the same engines. The idea is to let
the small scale farmer make their own fuel without the EU/US/UN/WB/ADB
being involved.

I for one do not want yet more regulatory authorities filled with
non-taxpaying bungling manipulating buddies using my taxes checking up any
of my
pipes. Much better I do my own checking and rely on sites l

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-12 Thread lres1

Sell all your shares. Ditch the lot. remove the money from your bank.

Buy up gold bars or stocks in gold.

It is the only universally tradable currency, not to mention the outcome?

Oh it would hurt, it would involve a total re-think.

Doug

- Original Message - 
From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: BYU professor's group
accusesU.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11


>
> Hi Gary,
>
>
> >>On 13 Apr 2006, at 10:18, D. Mindock wrote:
>
>
> >>A revolution is what we need here. Peaceful, of course.
>
>
>
> >Well, that won't happen.
>
> Maybe, we got to keep putting the thought out into the aether. Everything
> begins with a thought. Repeated and dwelled on, it manifests itself. I
like
> the
> word "meme". A meme is like a virus, hard to kill, and spreads easily.
> Repugs
> are constantly throwing memes out to make go at each other's throats. Ex.,
> Steve and Adam's marriage is a threat to mine
> A child needs a dad and a mom, not two moms or two dads
> My idea is based on the bible. Yours, based on science, must be wrong
> Preemptive War is necessary to protect us from terrorists
> Our war in Iraq allows us to spread democracy there and throughout the
> mid-East.
> All pregnant women (or girls) must give birth
> Discrimination against gays is morally right since they are practicing
> immoral acts.
> We cannot give up on Iraq. It would dishonor all those who've given their
> lives.
> Etc.
>
>
> >Would somebody PLEASE get me my orbiting nuke platform?  I need to make
> >some changes here.
>
> Nothing so drastic. But the intensity and power of the idea of revolution
> has to grow till it
> bursts forth.
>
>
> >>I guess we need to
> >>ask: what would Martin Luther King Jr or Ghandi do?
>
>
> >Who would Jesus bomb?
> >"Peaceful Protest" always had the promise of riots behind it.
>
> True. Nowadays the police are out in strength. They really manhandled the
> crowd down in
> Florida protesting the talks on CAFTA. Little old ladies were thrown to
the
> ground. It was
> the ugly face of our new police state. Bush loves this control of
> protesters.
>
>
> >>Peace with justice, D. Mindock
>
>
> >Did that ever really exist?
>
> Not in the U$A. We must work, take action, to make it happen. It won't
> happen in the Congress,
> which is largely influenced by corporate interests. Somehow, we have to
> reduce the influence
> of the moneyed special interests so that constutient interests handily
> prevail. Election reform
> is mandatory if this is ever going to happen. We got to get Big Money out
of
> politics, especially
> in candidate selection. There are many to-the-bone decent candidates but
> they are drowned out
> in the sea of corporate influence sellers. Unless you can raise 40 million
> dollars, you'll never get
> heard. Bush had 200 million dollars for the 2004 election, maybe more.
(And
> he still ended up
> needing to steal it.)
>
> Peace with justice, D. Mindock
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-12 Thread lres1

Mike,
To me the case has been there all along, just
needs a "tower of strength" to take it on with international news coverage
and Jtf. The case was there for Ike, but all slept on and paid the $36M to Sloan
and Co. in Berlin. Why do we let history repeat, our heritage has not been
Peace, Harmony, Empathy and stability but wars and aggression from the
beginning of eternity even in the much worshipped sports areanas.

See also the "secret war" under its modern name
Staring Mel Gibson as a pilot and trafficker, was war ever declared? Thousands
of US and other civilians died, and still are being killed/maimed today by the
remnants, in the most heavily bombed country of the world, where war
was not declared. Is this not criminal enough? If found guilty would this mean
the seizure of all assets of the families? This is so in Aus with drug
dealers.
Doug

- Original Message -
From:
Michael Redler

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:13
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's
group accuses U.S.officialsoflyingabout 9/11

"All this is circumstantial and we need hard evidence."
The prosecution of a suspected criminal involves (among other things)
finding motive, means, opportunity and a pattern of behavior or modus
operandi.
The video made a compelling case for quantifying what the US government
is capable of. They did this with events from the past which can be
found in US State department documents (i.e. Operation North Woods).
see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operations_and_projects_(military_and_non-military)
Mike Paul S Cantrell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
D.I'm
not being a naysayer, the conspiracy theory may have legs, but allthis
creates many more questions for me...Reasonable doubt is exactlywhat
they would want to createAll this is circumstantial and we need hard
evidence. Witnesses. Receipts. Black boxes. Presidential briefings. VICE
Presidentialbriefings. Lewis Libby really, really drunk.For the
WTC Towers and #7 to be wired for explosives would be a HUGEproject
requiring a LOT of time and workers in those buildings forweeks. Where
are those workers? Where is the company that carried itout? There are
only a few skyscraper demo companies. No one sawthem? From whom did they
order the wire? Who drove the truck?I saw a show on the Discovery
Channel about why the towers fell andthey had a lot of footage of
engineers studying the steel in thespecial yard it was taken to in New
Jersey. There was a HUGEoperation 24/7 sifting through the rubble
finding personal effects andbone/tissue fragments. The engineers and
architects investigating whythey fell had cut out huge pieces of steel
and had them in theiroffices. The conclusion of the TV show was that the
insulationcovering the steel was blown off by the impact and explosion
of theairplanes, and caused the buckling of the steel.I can't
find a summary of the TV show, but here is the featured MITguy with good
explanation:http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.htmlAnd
a transcript of his NOVA
interview:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.htmlNo,
mention of WTC7...FEMA surely bumbled the investigation and it didfall
precisely. My guess is that the 'earthquake' following the WTCtowers
collapse weakened the building and the fire fueled by dieselcaused
buckling in the middle of the building, but there is not enoughreliable
evidence to make a determination.I can't remember the exact quote,
but there is no need to attribute toevil what can adequately be
explained by stupidity.One day we will know the truth...Hopefully
one day it will all add up.On 4/10/06, D. Mindock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> Check out:>
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/StevenJones.html> Basically
the planes were not enough to do the collapse alone. They> needed
help. WRT having to have the planes hit at the exact level> where
there would be charges, not necessary. The upper few stories>
wouldn't need any but maybe they were there, just in case. Just put
the> charges> at all the floors below. Demolition>
wiring is sophisticated enough to initiate the charges at the level
where> each plane hit to make it look like the plane's impact/fire
started the> pancaking.> WRT to the steel beams being quickly
hauled off for scrap, normally there is> an investigation by the fire
marshall. He would've wanted to see those> beams.> A lot can
be learned. At a minimum, how the beams failed. Were they twisted> or
warped. Any signs of melting. Etc. Hauling the beams off so that no>
post mortem of the building could be accomplished is, in effect,
destroying> evidence. Also what caused the concrete to turn into
p

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re: [DCBiodieselcoop] Police Check Point - fueldye test.]

2006-04-12 Thread lres1

Wasn't this called "prohibition" a while
ago?
Doug

- Original Message -
From:
Michael Redler

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:44
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Re:
[DCBiodieselcoop] Police Check Point - fueldye test.]

"And the day they start making drivers carry current receipts for the
fuel in their tank to ensure that the taxes were paid is probably about
the time your national military adopts the goose step for its parade
marches."
Well done Todd!
I would add that it's also that time that we "let the games begin".
Government taxation on fuel has an Achilles heal - the number of home-brew
energy schemes. They would spend more money keeping up with changes and
developments then could be collected in tax revenue and (IMO) chase their
tails to the point that they make fools of themselves.
The bureaucracy of government has never been able to keep up with the
innovative individual. They can (at best) legitimize their actions by
criminalizing the rebel.
MikeAppal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
What does this mean for homebrewers?Not much. They're testing for
the red dye found in off-road diesel. Common practice. They won't be sending
any other info, requests or edicts to the driver who was stopped.And
the day they start making drivers carry current receipts for the fuel in
their tank to ensure that the taxes were paid is probably about the time
your national military adopts the goose step for its parade
marches.Todd SwearingenMike Weaver
wrote:>>What does this mean for
homebrewers?>>On 4/12/06, *Eric Youngdale* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> wrote:>>> I got
this in my inbox this morning from someone I work with. He> was on Rt
17 between US 50 and I66.>> I had an interesting stop at a
police checkpoint this> morningthe real gun carrying kind too! The
signs read "safety> check" as I approached it. All of the work trucks
were being> pulled over. They have these 4-5 times per year but I
never> knew why until today. Today the officer asked me if my car
was> a diesel. I told him it was so he asked me to follow the
trucks> for a "fuel dye test". When I reached the next officer he
told> me that they were checking for "farm fuel" to make sure it
was> properly taxed. I started to get a little nervous because I
am> running B5 (although I buy it at a gas station where I hope
they> are properly taxing me). The next officer asked me if I
would> give them permission to check my fuel which I did. She asked
me> for my drivers' license and another officer stuck a long
skinny> plastic tube down in my fuel tank and took a sample. Once
that> was done they sent me on my way. I guess they will do the
test> somewhere else and let me know what they found. The trucks
were> getting weighed and stuff but that was not necessary for me.
> Anyway Eric make sure your paying your taxes on your biodiesel.
> I think they are going to send me some paper work and I'll
let> you know what is says when I get
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts

2006-04-11 Thread lres1




Remember Bush was head of the CIA and other 3 
letter agencies, do not think he has moved and left no connections from senior 
to Junior. What other countries can get father & son as their tops with 
direct involvement and connections to 3 letter agencies? So why not impeach two 
Presidents within ten minutes? B followed by C?
 
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Martin 
  Kemple 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:57 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts
  These are all good points, I.S. For more skepticism on "Loose 
  Change", see:http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php and a number of 
  websites cited therein. I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the 
  above site coulditself be a dupe. Who knows? Bottom line for me, though, is 
  that we already have more than enoughgoods to send up Bush-Cheney. (And always 
  remember to include themboth together. Surely, Cheney is Dr. Strangeglove 
  incarnate. Hell, Iwouldn't be surprised if Deadeye Dick's got stock in the 
  "ImpeachBush" brigade, if not masterminding it) Make no mistake, Cheney's 
  gotta go too; even moreso. Bush is thestooge-monkey playing the accordion in 
  front of the audience. -Martin K.On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, I. S. 
  wrote:
  At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I haveto 
point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings aswell as 
failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefingtitled "Osama 
Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US".  No warningto the airlines - 
why not?  If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists tomake a strike 
on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment andcharges of treason? 
  Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other 
governmentagency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd 
haveto do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some 
Arabcorpses around with "Holy Jihad" letters, and blow the thing up.  
Noneed for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missleshitting 
the Pentagon, etc.  However, if fanatical Al Queda recruitsmotivated by 
US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestineconflict, and 
fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seemthe only way they 
could have done it - with the deliberate blind eyeof Bush to assist 
them, that is.   Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced 
disinformationfilm designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war 
andimpeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge 
between9/11 families and other protestors.  This is the essence of 
manygovernment propaganda / disinformation campaigns.  Compare it to 
theNOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FORYOURSELF! 
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ 
  Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike 
the"9/11 Truth Networks", I hold that careful analysis and 
independentthinking are prerequisites for any investigation.  However, 
I thinkthat the evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 
anddeliberately failed to act.  The question should be this: "What 
didthe President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?"  
Ibelieve that the answer to that simple question would lead to 
theimpeachment of Bush on charges of treason.   Peter I. Solem   
Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done some 
research on events discussed in this video. The factsabout Operation 
North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky'sbook Hegemony or 
Survival. It has a lot of credible information.   In a documentary, 
it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALLYOUR RESEARCH.   
On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building -NOT A 
B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.   
S**T!!! That's frustrating!   Mike"D. 
Mindock"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:  
Thevideo 
brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makersdid do a lot 
of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11 tradgedywas, 
in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn'tstand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to getthe disgusting 
thugs out of office and into prison. They(Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock   
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread lres1



- Original Message - 
From: "Jason & Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam


> i dont really take stock in any religion, so i think i can see a lot of
the
> problems with this topic. first of all, god does not create power, but
> gather it from those who believe in him/her/them, making it an item of
> thought. coming from so many places and people who have their own versions
> of this idea, we fail to see the original idea from a time long forgotten.
> it is like a book that has been re-interpreted and re-printed hundreds of
> times- with every new editor comes a different story. the only correlation
> between these versions now is the concept of peace and trust, which during
> the last few centuries has been buried in things like the acts and events
> leading to the exodus, the crusades, and today's jihad.
> the versions have become more skewed and removed from the original over
> time, but that process is accelerating like never before, and that is
> causing major problems. if someone could find the first "book" in this
long
> chain of reproductions a large number of problems would be remedied.

There was/is no first book as such. Words were not there. The basis was
living in harmony with nature, living with empathy for each other,
considering your effect on the greater. That first book was not in ink but
stapled inside of every person. Hunter gatherers spend much more time
socializing than the "developed" world, their whole day involves a lot of
social activities. The yard stick for progression/evolution in regards
humanity has been in material growth. If the yard stick were to have been a
more scientific/spiritual or religious one then perhaps we would not be in
the mess we are today. The forces surrounding humanity for hundreds of years
has been with external control of the individual, and thus the masses, by an
elite minority. What if we were to have functioned as a group of purpose
unified yet separate
entities as one whole. Some caretakers we have turned out to be? Lets hope
we can change/repair in the allotted time.

Doug

>
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> From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam
>
>
>
>
> Interesting, but why do not tell that
> Christianity is the one of God's "spin off" that,
> historically and presently, is the most violent,
> indifferent and brutal version. Islam is probably
> on average least violent, even if you look at
> current statistics also. If you truly worship
> God, you must also accept all by humans created
> religious versions and different views of Jesus
> role and part in it. The Muslims and Jews,
> recognize him as a prophet, but the Christians is
> killing those who do not accept that he was God's
> son and have done so for hundreds of years. In my
> view, the religious people that fail to be
> inclusive, and realize that they all belong to
> the combined group of Christians, Muslims and
> Jews, are faltering in their belief in God and
> his basic laws. Then we have the complete idiots,
> who belive that war would in any way further
> God's interest. It is sad when they occupy
> important leader positions and create havoc among
> all God's children. That Bush is not stroke by
> lightning, is a major proof to falter in the
> general belive in God's existence. What is
> proven, is that humanity consist of a majority of stupid religious idiots.
>
> Hakan
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11

2006-04-11 Thread lres1




WW II could/would have been incited without AH. 
However it could not have been achieved without Sloan, Standard oil, Ford and 
guess who? $36M was the payoff from memory to Sloan of GM because his factory 
that produced military equipment/vehicles was bombed by the US. Hence the 
compensation. A good read is the compilation of letters and diary records of 
Montgomery. Ike does not come to light as a quick end to hostilities but as 
an instigator for the prolonging by 12 to 18 months and thus more lives. This 
also created the E & W as the troops from the north were to be waited 
for before entering the B metropolis. Seems there is a presidents trend here 
some place?
 
Who do you take to task???   The Bush, 
the Vice, the organizations, the companies. At what place/time frame in 
history do you start? 
 
Look into your selves, the events were allowed to 
happen, the brew has always been slowly concocted while most slept on. 
Do you confiscate the funds gained by the oil Co's and those that benefited? The 
story is just a repeat of history. The mind set needs change and perhaps we all 
need to shoulder the blame while doing each and every one of us what we can to 
rectify a few centuries of mistakes which have lead to this point.
 
The was once only two fields of advanced 
electronics, the medical and military, techs at times used to swap from one to 
the other. We now have PC's and games, aren't you thank full for them. The techs 
now have so many other fields to "play" in.
 
For every race, creed, tribe, religion and 
family, there are different thought processes that use just as many individual 
and different denominators in their thought patterns/compilations. Perhaps 
this is the failing of mankind, too much freedom of thought causing the lack of 
empathy/understanding of the beautiful diversity of mankind? (Unfortunately it 
is about the only thing we have left that we can really call our own individual 
property, even if it gets washed time and time again it is ours).
 
An aside, the B-52 is very quiet on take off 
and uses not much runway, the B-52 in-air fueller is totally different akin to 
a pelican, it needs miles of runway, can not turn while it claws and 
scratches for every inch of altitude it can possibly gain in the cool morning 
air. It is many miles beyond the take off point before it can even look like 
turning and then only very slow wide turns. That is a very heavy beast when 
loaded with no maneuverability at all. (Most pelicans need to take off from 
water into the wind as their wet weight is a considerable drag as is the water 
itself on their underbody)
 
Doug 
 
From: Michael Redler 

  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:43 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- 
  new video sheds new light on 9/11
  
  I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts 
  about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book 
  Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.
   
  In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL 
  YOUR RESEARCH.
   
  On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A 
  B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.
   
  S**T!!! That's frustrating!
   
  Mike"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  




 
The 
video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do 
a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11tradgedy was, in 
spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to 
intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job toget the disgusting 
thugs out of office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. 
al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. Mindock
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam

2006-04-11 Thread lres1

Title: Honoring the Sacred Core of Islam



We started with family structure,  progressed 
to group structure, handing of power from patriarchs to the people, to the 
decline in racism, and the vote for women, we are now at the stage where 
religion needs to harmonize. The radicals are but few that influence/control a 
majority or there would be no place for the Bushes of this world. 
 
Can the religions get together in harmony? This I 
see as the next stage in an ever shrinking world where we can all be accepted 
for what we are as it is harmony with the planet in accordance with harmony and 
religions. If the time to free people and give the vote took upheavals, what are 
the expectations of accepting all of us as one in religion or faith to take?? 
Given a thousand years would we succeed in total harmony of religion not 
just "freedom of religion" (don't think we have freedom of politics any more). 
To be of any religion or faith and not be looked upon as an out-sider or 
different to the basis of a human being, to be accepted is this going to be 
accomplished with a Nuke or two?? I think it is in the hearts of the people 
to learn and to try and understand each other this I hope so, all radicals 
aside.
 
If religion be the cause of dissention and discord 
amongst mankind better to forgo the religion. Surely religion and faiths of 
this world are to cause harmony and not discord? Why would a Prophet, a God, a 
Savior, a Saint want to destroy? Surely this destructive lean is mans 
interpretation for his own self-aggrandizement and ego.
 
I could not agree more than with what some have 
foreseen and discussed and the article below, the change from a "weapons of 
mass destruction" and other such name slinging roads to instigate 
profiteering for a few through provoking death as a change to 
"religious war". This is probably the worlds most dangerous quandary at present. 
How to start the true "Global Community".
 
How many sleep on and do zilch?
Doug 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  D. 
  Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:50 
  PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Fw: Honoring the 
  Sacred Core of Islam
  
  I 
  am forwarding this article as a way to introduce you to Stephan's 
  writings. Peace, D. Mindock
  
  


  
  My Groups | stephendinan Main 
Page 

  
  Forward 
  freely...Honoring the Sacred Core of IslamSacred 
  America series #12by Stephen Dinan Americans have a singular 
  challenge in relating to Islam, a challenge that long predates 9/11 and Al 
  Queda. People across the political spectrum assume that Islam is more likely 
  to goad its followers into religious violence than other religions. Others, 
  who are more cautious, differentiate radical extremism from the peace-loving 
  core. The more reactive factions in the West go so far as to make slurs about 
  the religion as a whole and assume the only solution is war. Across the full 
  spectrum of politics, there is an uneasy feeling that the modern West and 
  Islam are like oil and water. Healing this split may be the single most 
  essential act in creating a true global community. The eruption 
  of controversy around the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed serves as a 
  Rorschach for where this relationship is blocked. Westerners tend to see the 
  reaction to the cartoons as out of proportion to the insult. Muslims see the 
  cartoons as a deep dishonoring of their revered founder, yet another example 
  of the Wests disdain. Our tendency in situations like this is to 
  point fingers at the other: it is something intrinsic in them that makes the 
  relationship unworkable. However, the truth in all relationships is that we 
  play a role in the breakdown. Our Western way of relating influences the world 
  of Islam, which then feeds back to us in a cycle of mutual exchange. Breaking 
  a negative cycle on either side can lead to an opening of the relationship  
  change in the other is often much easier if we first change 
  ourselves. What is missing in virtually every opinion I read, 
  even those that offer cogent political or cultural analyses, is a heartfelt 
  honoring of the sacred core of Islam and especially the Prophet Mohammed. The 
  modern West simply does not authentically honor one of the most important 
  spiritual leaders of history. The Danish cartoons spoke to the truth of how 
  the West relates to Mohammed. Why is this important? 
   Whatever someone holds as sacred is their bridge to a better 
  world. For a scientist, the truth is sacred and the scientific method is seen 
  as a path to obtain that truth. For a Christian, Jesus is considered sacred 
  and therefore a relationship with him is a path to redemption. For many 
  environmentalists, the planet itself is seen as sacred; living more 
  sustainability is an act of worship. A sacred relationship is a 
  love relationship, one in which we see the intrinsic value, truth,

Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

How's about all dropping shares/stocks in oil and related products/goods,
just dumping them and investing in gold?

1976 -1977 Gettie oil was in Nabalek/Ranger uranium mining/surveying in
Australia, now Iran has the stuff, all in the same basket them bods. Get rid
of the oil and shares go into gold as a commodity and see who worries? Sloan
is gone but the wind left is not sweet. Edzell destroyed by his father, if
this be the case why not the globe?

It will probably take agitation from all or most countries plus some to veer
the ship we all sail in only a few degrees towards a more appropriate
course. To get on course in one heave on the helm seems all but an
impossible dream.

How many will die in Iran to get the Gett stuff back? The profits on the
sales with minimal taxes and the men and women that will pay with lives and
taxes to get those profits back if the duo has their way. Perhaps the duo
can be used to fuel a reactor??

Doug

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?


> Hi Keith,
>I hope you are right about Americans. Are enough of them agitating
> Congress
> so that some action will be taken that will rid us of the Dumb-Duo? Geez,
> it'd
> be so nice. (Maybe you see things more clearly from Tokyo.) Or at least
> take back the war making powers they so generously gave to our gonzo
> War President.
> I was really disheartened when I got a reply from Sen. Obama which
> said there was a better way than impeachment. I had a lot of hope in this
> guy
> and got such a lame reply. Sen. Durbin didn't reply.
>I never was involved in politics until we got Bushed again. Watching
this
> fool before and after 9/11 drove me to join a progressive group of
> Democrats in St Louis. It does seem that his ineptness and hypocrisy
> really woke up a lot of people here.
>Thanks for those links. I read the one where distrust in public
> institutions
> is falling. Hopefully this'll make governments more sensitive to their
> people.
> As it stands it seems regular working people are getting screwed while big
> corporations
> are having wet dreams, having every wish fulfilled by the government. This
> extends all the way down to city governments as well.
> Many thanks to you! Peace and justice, D. Mindock  P.S. I will look at
those
> two other links on the
> Art of War and Tao Te Ching. They look useful, indeed!
>
> > >Keith,
> >>
> >>   Most (or enough) Americans are asleep or indifferent.
> >
> > Don't believe it! We were discussing it here about a week ago.
> >
> >>If we had a real
> >>mainstream media here, that
> >>didn't screen out news unfavorable to the administration, especially the
> >>bogus wars, things would never deteriorated to the low
> >>level we have now.
> >
> > But they did, and there were glaring signs long ago that you had to
> > take urgent action to counter corporate ownership concentration of
> > your media. Okay, it's understandable that such a high-intensity
> > ongoing barrage of engineered opinion engineering would send "enough"
> > of you to asleep "enough" of the time for everything to fall to
> > pieces about your ears and you didn't even notice. Maybe that's your
> > affair, or even your prerogative, but the problem is all the stuff
> > Washington and Wall Street export to the rest of us, using your tax
> > money (when they're not stealing it from you) and your inattention to
> > do it. One thing you have to wake up to is that you're part of the
> > rest of us.
> >
> > It's not your prerogative not to notice it when at long last there
> > are such stirrings and rumblings all about and, finally, a head of
> > steam gathered that's spreading like wildfire and sweeping up
> > everything else along with it in what's clearly an awakening, widely
> > being commented on. It reached critical mass last August, and the
> > only question now is what will constitute "enough" in this new
> > picture that's emerging - will enough people wake up and take enough
> > action to stop the disaster potential reaching critical mass? You're
> > among the awake so please stop thinking pre-six months ago and do
> > just whatever you possibly can to help spread the flames. Time to
> > take heart.
> >
> > By the way, there's not much doubt that the critical head of critical
> > steam was built up despite the mainstream media, and though (always
> > with exceptions) the mainstream media had behaved just as you say
> > they're now being left with little choice but to follow along, they
> > can't help getting sucked in. (I've done that to them before!) So
> > what if they pretend they did it?
> >
> > What if you should treat your voting system the same way? Other than
> > fierce monitoring and reporting, just ignore it and get on with real
> > business.
> >
> >>I hardly ever watch TV news and get my info off the web.
> >>I continuously write my Congress people, 2 Demo senat

Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread lres1


Doug
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer


> We made most of our ethanol out of rice. We added 20% water
> and drove our car and truck on it with excellent results.
> Marilyn

Ethanol makes a total change to emissions from the exhaust in smell, like it
is not too unpleasant to breath while the engine is running. No real need to
go to the Bio-Diesel stage if only electricity generation and pumps are
required.

Last weekend, Saturday, we had more than 300 people at the resort and park
with meals etc. Only use a 5 KVA generator to cater plus very small amounts
of cooking gas and very little charcoal. Not bad for 300 + people. Will get
better as time and the work on energy sources improves through this site.
>
> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If
> used with
> and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy
> in a tuned
> engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to
> other
> Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be
> sufficient   to run
> pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the
> engine was as
> short as possible for easy starting.
>
> Doug
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Johnathan Corgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM
> Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer
>
>
> > I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of
> farm land
> > in rural Philippines.  It's currently being used for rice and I think
> > some tobacco.  My wife's extended family works the land and
> the
> > operation has now passed into our hands.
> >
> > Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I
> have no
> > clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming.  My lifetime
> > agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton
> planters
> > as a child in an elementary school science project.
> >
> > By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with
> WVO-based
> > biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch"
> stage.
> >
> > In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement
> home on
> > this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind,
> battery-based
> > power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.
> >
> > So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be
> made
> > sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based
> biodiesel
> > manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of
> "small"?
> >
> > My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several
> different
> > types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right
> questions to
> > ask.  I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many
> interesting
> > logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability
> and poor
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)
> >
> > (Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my
> wife's
> > family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)
> >
> > -Johnathan
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Re: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

Sticky/Glutinous rice from the fields makes real good ethanol. If used with
and injection of 15 to 20% water it produces much more energy in a tuned
engine to the fuel water mix than gas. Why the need to go to other
Bio-Fuels? The Ethanol with the water injection would be sufficient   to run
pumps, generators and the likes as long as the intake to the engine was as
short as possible for easy starting.

Doug
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From: "Johnathan Corgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:24 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] The Accidental Farmer


> I've recently acquired through inheritance about 20 acres of farm land
> in rural Philippines.  It's currently being used for rice and I think
> some tobacco.  My wife's extended family works the land and the
> operation has now passed into our hands.
>
> Being a professional engineer and California-based city boy, I have no
> clue whatsoever about anything to do with farming.  My lifetime
> agricultural experience is watching seeds sprout in egg carton planters
> as a child in an elementary school science project.
>
> By pure coincidence, I've recently begun experimenting with WVO-based
> biodiesel production, currently at the "successful 1L batch" stage.
>
> In addition, we've thought of building a vacation/retirement home on
> this land, emphasizing "off the grid" energy--PV, wind, battery-based
> power leveling, and diesel-generator backup.
>
> So all this adds up to a grand opportunity--can the land be made
> sufficiently productive to support methanol or ethanol based biodiesel
> manufacture for a small community, for a suitable definition of "small"?
>
> My understanding is that the climate is suitable for several different
> types of oilseed crops, but I don't even know the right questions to
> ask.  I do know, though, that rural Philippines has many interesting
> logistical issues, not to mention some geopolitical instability and poor
> infrastructure.
>
> I have many ideas, but little understanding of practicalities :-)
>
> (Not to mention the livelihoods of a number of members of my wife's
> family, so this is more serious than mere experimentation.)
>
> -Johnathan
>
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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

If it didn't work in the 60's with the same families at the helm why will it
work in Iran or Iraq??? 50 + million people sleeping??? Wake UP.

How's about private organization like this setting up an extra to elections
where people can actually say and confirm on a separate network who they
voted for. Not sure if possible but the world at large waits a solution.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm

Doug
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To: 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]


> Keith,
>
>Most (or enough) Americans are asleep or indifferent. If we had a real
> mainstream media here, that
> didn't screen out news unfavorable to the administration, especially the
> bogus wars, things would never deteriorated to the low
> level we have now.  I hardly ever watch TV news and get my info off the
web.
> I continuously write my Congress people, 2 Demo senators and a Repug rep,
> and they just ignore my letters or at best I get polite form letters back.
> The Repug rep is such a strong, mindless, Bush backer, it makes me sick.
The
> Demos are equally
> bad in that they say there's a better way than impeaching Bush/Cheney. I
> wish I knew
> what that was. Maybe a firing squad? I feel BushCo is out of control but
the
> impotent Congress
> is afraid, for whatever reason, to take the two idiots on. Yeah, there are
a
> couple exceptions, like
> Sen. Feingold and the two Demos that've openly backed him. Kucinich (Rep,
> OH, D) has had Bush's number way
> ahead of his colleagues. The polls show Bush and Cheney are way down in
> public opinion. Maybe
> the two are desperate to do more of their nasty deeds before common sense
> again prevails here. There's no telling
> what two thugs like them will do to stay in power. Another 9/11? I would
not
> count that out as they
> have no morals whatsoever.
>
>   So we have here a number of problems:
>
> A too trusting people who have been divided by wedge issues
> Disinformation on the TV news. 9/11 was our Night of Broken Glass & new
> Pearl Harbor
> Corporate financed candidates
> Hackable voting machines that can swing an election through built-in "back
> doors" in the tabulating PCs. Naturally biased to the Repugs
> A weak, corrupt, and divided Congress
> An administration that is totally corrupt, ruthless, and corporate
> controlled.
> An insanely bloated military budget that is way beyond that necessary to
> "protect" us.
>
> Pray for World Peace, D. Mindock
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]
>
>
> > I've been posting stuff on this here for months, so have a few
> > others, very few people have taken any notice.
> >
> > It is utterly unbelievable that Americans, only now so belatedly
> > waking up with growing fury at how they were lied to and manipulated
> > on the road to the Iraq debacle are actually swallowing the exact
> > same set of lies and manipulations in order to do the same or worse
> > in Iran.
> >
> > What the hell is the matter with you people??? What are you going to
> > do about it? Vote??? Good God, WAKE UP!!!
> >
> > Stop it happening!
> >
> > Now!
> >
> > Damn, thank heavens for Seymour Hersh.
> >
> > "Hopefully" you say Mike:
> >
> >>Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.
> >>
> >>Best wishes for world peace,
> >
> > With all due respect it'll take a little more than hopes prayers and
> > wishes. Do it! Put a stop to your mad dogs.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >>Hakan,
> >>
> >>Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity
> >>will
> >>eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it
> >>somehow). Of
> >>course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually Assured
> >>Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or
starting
> >>a
> >>nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war.
> >>
> >>What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if  IRAN
> >>really wanted
> >>to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and
> >>they
> >>would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they
already
> >>have
> >>nuclear power plants with uranium.
> >>
> >>I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because
> >>they know if they
> >>did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with
nukes.
> >>
> >>The really scary part,  I fear, is that even if the US does back
> >>down, Israel will
> >>still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not
> >>back down. So,
> >>anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear
> >>issue we will all
> >>be in deep sh-t.
> >>
> >>What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea
> >>will probably
> >>freak out and go nuts since they would be

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials oflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

>> So now, the question is how much oxygen do they keep on board,
> >>> and how much, if any effect would it have had on the temperature
> >>> of the fire once released? Does anyone know?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I got to wondering if anyone ever calculated the momentum
> >>> (mass of the plane times the velocity) of the plane and the
> >>> instantaneous force of impact as the momentum of the plane went
> >>> to zero and how much heat that released on impact as the momentum
> >>> was converted to pure heat energy (it must have been huge),
> >>> not to mention the mechanical structural damage effects of that
> >>> energy transfer from the impact made on the building.
> >>>
> >>> Although I am not a civil engineer, I know that these buildings
> >>> are generally designed to handle a wind load of say 125 mph of
> >>> wind, or air before something starts to give (like the windows at
> >>> least). However, they are not designed, or even modeled for
> >>> impacts by XXX tons of an airliner moving at several hundred
> >>> miles per hour with all the force of impact being concentrated on
> >>> one small area, or corner of one to two floors of the building.
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Doug's comments below about a bounce effect (and any
> >>> oscillation it caused) plus the changes in the properties of the
> >>> metals and alloys when exposed to the heat. They must have been
> >>> major factors in the collapse.
> >>>
> >>> Lastly, if there were charges then why didn't the fire set them
> >>> off right away and collapse the buildings immediately?
> >>>
> >>> Mike McGinness
> >>>
> >>> lres1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just a note, not from an expert. Steel cutting torches operate
> >>>> at a temperature that burns the steel and turns the waste into
> >>>> slag. A lot of small brass and alloy foundries that use small
> >>>> furnaces use Diesel or Kerosene as the source of heat. The
> >>>> amount of heat to destroy the steel and alloy in the towers was
> >>>> only limited by the amount of oxygen available. At the height of
> >>>> the towers the natural movement of wind would have been like a
> >>>> blow torch on all the metals given enough fuel to start with.
> >>>> Several tons of Kerosene + wind + alloys + other combustibles
> >>>> would make the placing of explosives only a marginally required
> >>>> secondary insurance that the towers would fall. There was enough
> >>>> in the planes and the buildings construction
> >>>> materials/furnishings and the fuel tanks to achieve more than
> >>>> what a giant cutting torch would achieve. Think of a Plumbers
> >>>> kerosene blow lamp, now multiply it by the amount of wind and
> >>>> fuel available plus the burning materials mentioned above. Take
> >>>> a look at a vehicle that has burnt. you will notice that the
> >>>> suspension has collapsed due to the annealing of the springs or
> >>>> torsion bars etc. It does not take a real great amount of heat
> >>>> to change the characteristics of metals and alloys. Take away
> >>>> the heating from combustibles from the plane and building. Just
> >>>> the fuel and the heat from the fuel. How much stress in
> >>>> expansion over a few floors in a building of such height can it
> >>>> take? That is a building of such height expands slowly during
> >>>> the day and heat, shrinks during the cool. Given the height of
> >>>> the building this over a 24 hr period would be a significant
> >>>> change in height. If a small amount of boiling water is put into
> >>>> a glass the expansion is not uniform the glass will break.
> >>>> Uniform expansion in structures is an important part in
> >>>> considering conductivity of heat and orientation. To have had
> >>>> four or five floors expand beyond their limit and incongruously
> >>>> from the rest of the structure would again render the structure
> >>>> unsafe. This without burning anything just expanding out four or

Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

Cell phones can already be tracked by signal. Not sure it helps in a heart
attack but my phone tells where I am if asked. Cell phones can be used as
"guidance" to target.

Took an extra 2 or 3 years to get digital phones on the market as the boss
needed the ability to locate/listen before their release.

Your home is no sanctuary, it can be entered on many pretexts without papers
(Suspicion of drugs, illegal firearms, illegal guns and a few others). Of
recent times even more so as the list has been increased. Look at your home
as a place where you can be got, a place where you must be most of the time,
a place where you enjoy it with a finance Co that needs to know much about
your life, a place known to be your returning point, a place that holds the
basis for your license to drive, to pay taxes, to vote, your cubicle of/for
life.

Doug

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To: 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:50 PM
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> This is not a good trend. It could lead to people's home being inspected
for
> all
> sorts of things like illegal satellite receivers, drugs, eating organic
meat
> vs the
> hormone and pesticide laden USDA meat, non-GMO food, etc. I've read that
> sooner or later all cars will have black boxes which allows their
tracking.
> I think
> cell phones are to be that way too. Both are for your "protection" of
> course. If
> I get anymore protected, I will puke. Our right to privacy is seen as a
> threat by
> the neo-cons.
> Peace, D. Mindock
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike McGinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Garrison Keillor on Bush II
>
>
> > You got it Gary, they have adopted the Bush policy of pre-emptive
strikes
> > by
> > walking into the Texas bars and looking for and arresting people who are
> > over the
> > legal blood alcohol limit for driving before they leave and get on the
> > road. They
> > jail them for public intoxication.
> >
> > PreCrime is now a fact here in the great State of Texas! Actually I
heard
> > there
> > was enough political backlash that they are now rethinking their
position
> > on
> > Pre-Crime here in Texas. Of course the DEA has been into PreCrime for
> > years now,
> > guilty until proven innocent, another Bush I and II legacy.
> >
> > Lucky for me my only real vice is eating healthy, raw organic
vegetables.
> >
> > Mike McGinness
> >
> > "Gary L. Green" wrote:
> >
> >> Speaking of beer, and I was, ... Mike, I read they are going into
> >> bars and arresting people for being drunk.  Pre-crime.  I never
> >> thought I'd see it in my life time.
> >>
> >> On  09Apr, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Mike McGinness wrote:
> >>
> >> > However, this Texan would rather see him sent to Iraq to fight his
> >> > own war. We don't need him back in Texas, and we can't leave him in
> >> > Washington either. By the way I voted against the republicans and
> >> > the Bushes since 1990, so don't blaim me.
> >> >
> >> > Mike McGinness
> >>
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Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-10 Thread lres1

And slowly, oh ever so slowly they awake but awakening they are. Does time
give enough???

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/awakenedvetsindex.shtml

Doug

From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]


> I've been posting stuff on this here for months, so have a few
> others, very few people have taken any notice.
>
> It is utterly unbelievable that Americans, only now so belatedly
> waking up with growing fury at how they were lied to and manipulated
> on the road to the Iraq debacle are actually swallowing the exact
> same set of lies and manipulations in order to do the same or worse
> in Iran.
>
> What the hell is the matter with you people??? What are you going to
> do about it? Vote??? Good God, WAKE UP!!!
>
> Stop it happening!
>
> Now!
>
> Damn, thank heavens for Seymour Hersh.
>
> "Hopefully" you say Mike:
>
> >Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.
> >
> >Best wishes for world peace,
>
> With all due respect it'll take a little more than hopes prayers and
> wishes. Do it! Put a stop to your mad dogs.
>
> Keith
>
>
> >Hakan,
> >
> >Agreed. The sh-t would hit the fan. Hopefully enough reason and sanity
will
> >eventually prevail like it did during the cold war (we survived it
> >somehow). Of
> >course it may have been MAD (a form of insanity called Mutually Assured
> >Destruction, the idea that no one wins, except by not fighting or
starting a
> >nuclear war), that actually saved us during the cold war.
> >
> >What I find to be so ludicrous (silly, ridiculous) is that if  IRAN
> >really wanted
> >to Nuke Israel or the USA they would not need a real nuclear weapon, and
they
> >would have done it already with a dirty nuclear weapon since they already
have
> >nuclear power plants with uranium.
> >
> >I suspect they have not done so, even if they wanted to, because
> >they know if they
> >did the US or Israel would level Iran in retaliation, probably with
nukes.
> >
> >The really scary part,  I fear, is that even if the US does back
> >down, Israel will
> >still not allow Iran to make nuclear bombs and therefore will not
> >back down. So,
> >anyway you look at it, if Iran does not back off on the nuclear
> >issue we will all
> >be in deep sh-t.
> >
> >What also concerns me is that if the US attacks Iran, North Korea
> >will probably
> >freak out and go nuts since they would believe they were next. I have
heard no
> >mention of this yet in the news.
> >
> >Let's all pray that reason and sanity prevail once again.
> >
> >Best wishes for world peace,
> >
> >Mike McGinness
> >
> >Hakan Falk wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > As a foreigner and hearing Bush preparing for attacks on Iran, I
> > > sometimes have a very short moment of wishing him doing it, because
> > > it would be so stupid and probably finish him. Then I think about my
> > > American friends with my positive experiences from US and wish
> > > strongly that he would be stopped. If US attack Iran, then we would
> > > rapidly understand what the expression "the sh-t hits the fan" means.
> > > The global consequences for US would be enormously negative.
> > >
> > > Hakan
> > >
> > > At 06:16 09/04/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Reading the article discussed below is just plain scary as hell. If
> > > >it's true we
> > > >need to contact our congresspersons and senators and tell them
> >how we feel so
> > > >that they can put a stop to this madness now before it is too late.
> > > >Since there
> > > >is an election coming up in November,  something tells me if
> >they hear from
> > > >enough of us now they will take decisive action.
> > > >
> > > >Mike McGinness
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Marty Phee wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Original Message 
> > > > > Subject:[IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?
> > > > > Date:   Sat, 8 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0400
> > > > > From:   David Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Reply-To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > To: ip@v2.listbox.com
> > > > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Tim Finin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Date: April 8, 2006 3:40:18 PM EDT
> > > > > To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Subject: Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?
> > > > >
> > > > > Seymour Hersh has a 6000 work article in next week's New
> > > > > Yorker on possible plans for a pre-emptive bombing strike
> > > > > against Iran including the use of nuclear weapons.  While
> > > > > Hersh has not always been right in his predications, he has a
> > > > > pretty good track record on the whole.  It's a good article
> > > > > and also a worrisome one.  No matter what you believe of the
> > > > > wisdom of attacking Iran, if we do there are bound to be many
> > > > > more difficulties ahead before things get better.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > THE IRAN PLANS
> > > > > Would President Bush go to w

Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officialsoflyingabout 9/11

2006-04-09 Thread lres1

A very quick check on the ground would dispel/raise thoughts.

1/ If more than 200 people that were regular workers in the towers and had
never had a day off sick etc for this particular day stayed home for any
reason. On past records they would never and had never had a day off etc?

2/ Was there any change in addresses such as one of the two big auto makers
(General) or oil Co vacated the address within a week or so of the event.

3/ Who took holidays that day of that week that would normally never take
holidays at that time of year.

IRS/Postal services as well as many others would have the records of
movements, also the employers records would show any discrepancies in
activity by the occupants of the towers. A very small percentage of
uncommon/unusual behavioral attitudes/patterns of residence would be enough
to convince. The WH has so many leaks that some would have phoned friends to
stop them going to work that day. Too many people involved to stop a
friend/relative saving another?

Have been in an earth quake, out in the open on rolling hills with a tree
line about a mile away. The sound is heard first like rolling thunder, the
sound gets louder, then it is possible to see the hills undulating as the
earth moves. The trees sway as the wave moves on. then the ground shakes
under  me and then the rolling wave continues on. If I hammer on my work
bench and have an object standing upright it will fall over. The towers
collapse and B7 could be the knock-on effect of the plate that is supporting
all the buildings, just B7 was in the wrong place. Google collapsed
buildings, seems there are many that just fall down due to hidden faults
that have been overlooked such as the design forgot to add the "dead weight"
and only used the "live weight" in calculating the stress and load
capacities. This building collapsed as well.

Aircraft oxy tanks are very thin skinned to save weight and are ribbed for
strength. They go bang on heating. Also do not forget the amount of wind
blowing that time of the day at that height.

Doug
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S.
officialsoflyingabout 9/11

> Hakan,
>
> Great, Thanks! If we can come up with an O2 flow rate needed per person we
could do some calcs and what-if-ing. Also, I know a few pilots here, I will
ask
> them if they know how big the supply is?
>
> Mike McGinness
>
> Hakan Falk wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > If it follows the rules for the pilots, it should be enough for 30
> > minutes. The rules say that over a certain level it must be 30
> > minutes for the pilots and over next specified level also for the
> > passengers. It is a lot of oxygen.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> > At 08:56 08/04/2006, you wrote:
> > >This is an open question with some new thoughts regarding this topic.
> > >
> > >I was flying today and just before take off the stewardess was going
> > >through the emergency details and when she got to the breathing
> > >oxygen part I though of this recent discussion. It dawned on me that
> > >there is some oxygen onboard these planes for emergency breathing
> > >use in case the plane is depressurized.
> > >
> > >So now, the question is how much oxygen do they keep on board, and
> > >how much, if any effect would it have had on the temperature of the
> > >fire once released? Does anyone know?
> > >
> > >Also, I got to wondering if anyone ever calculated the momentum
> > >(mass of the plane times the velocity) of the plane and the
> > >instantaneous force of impact as the momentum of the plane went to
> > >zero and how much heat that released on impact as the momentum was
> > >converted to pure heat energy (it must have been huge), not to
> > >mention the mechanical structural damage effects of that energy
> > >transfer from the impact made on the building.
> > >
> > >Although I am not a civil engineer, I know that these buildings are
> > >generally designed to handle a wind load of say 125 mph of wind, or
> > >air before something starts to give (like the windows at least).
> > >However, they are not designed, or even modeled for impacts by XXX
> > >tons of an airliner moving at several hundred miles per hour with
> > >all the force of impact being concentrated on one small area, or
> > >corner of one to two floors of the building.
> > >
> > >I agree with Doug's comments below about a bounce effect (and any
> > >oscillation it caused) plus the changes in the properties of the
> > >metals and alloys when exposed to the

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Is the US preparing to bomb Iran?]

2006-04-09 Thread lres1

Thought his legacy was already established well within the family? How can
so many be wrong? No body takes voting seriously, the majority it would
appear sleeps on.

www.conspiracyplanet.com >
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/criminalsinaction29jun04.shtml

Doug.

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Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:27 PM
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> >"Saving Iran is going
> > to be his legacy."
> I seem to remember hearing that before "Our thousand year legacy...The
> Third Reich shall save the world from impurity." problem is, it only
lasted
> about 15 and then they got some severe smackdown handed to them.I'm glad I
> live in the middle of nowhere...I get the feeling that Iraq was our
Poland.
>
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Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Recent PBS report "Persons of Interest" TALON program - US AirForce

2006-04-04 Thread lres1




The book makes for some disgusting thought processing, it 
should be titled "The Real World". I was of the thinking that "we the waste 
makers" was pretty bad till I read the later book.
Doug 
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  From: 
  Gary L. 
  Green 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:22 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [SPAM] Re: Recent 
  PBS report "Persons of Interest" TALON program - US AirForce
  Just picked up Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.  Lets 
  you know who is really in control. 
  
  ]
  
  On 31 Mar 2006, at 15:02, Keith Addison wrote:
  
People definitely seem to be waking up en masse. About time 
too.
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11

2006-03-29 Thread lres1




Just a note, not from an expert. Steel cutting torches 
operate at a temperature that burns the steel and turns the waste into 
slag. A lot of small brass and alloy foundries that use small 
furnaces use Diesel or Kerosene as the source of heat. The amount of heat 
to destroy the steel and alloy in the towers was only limited by the amount of 
oxygen available. At the height of the towers the natural movement of wind would 
have been like a blow torch on all the metals given enough fuel to start with. 
Several tons of Kerosene + wind + alloys + other combustibles would make the 
placing of explosives only a marginally required secondary insurance that the 
towers would fall. There was enough in the planes and the buildings construction 
materials/furnishings and the fuel tanks to achieve more than what a giant 
cutting torch would achieve. Think of a Plumbers kerosene blow lamp, now 
multiply it by the amount of wind and fuel available plus the burning materials 
mentioned above.
 
Take a look at a vehicle that has burnt. you will notice 
that the suspension has collapsed due to the annealing of the springs or torsion 
bars etc. It does not take a real great amount of heat to change the 
characteristics of metals and alloys.
 
Take away the heating from combustibles from the plane and 
building. Just the fuel and the heat from the fuel. How much stress in expansion 
over a few floors in a building of such height can it take? That is a building 
of such height expands slowly during the day and heat, shrinks during the cool. 
Given the height of the building this over a 24 hr period would be a significant 
change in height. If a small amount of boiling water is put into a glass the 
expansion is not uniform the glass will break. Uniform expansion in structures 
is an important part in considering conductivity of heat and orientation. To 
have had four or five floors expand beyond their limit and incongruously from 
the rest of the structure would again render the structure unsafe. This without 
burning anything just expanding out four or five floors rapidly and then 
contracting them all but as fast. The "bounce" effect in the topmost floors 
must have been quite horrific as they would have risen several inches and then 
dropped the same in a very short time frame. This "bounce" alone would nearly be 
enough to collapse a structure of such size in upon itself with no burning of 
combustibles from the construction or furnishings or even the alloys in the 
plane. Compare it to using the topmost floors as an enormous hammer that 
hammered the lower floors due the effect of the "bounce". Sorry this got longer 
than I thought.
 
Doug 
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  From: 
  MARIA BURGER 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:10 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's 
  group accuses U.S. officials of lyingabout 9/11
  
  
  I'm certainly no "expert" either, but I would presume that charges placed 
  in the middle of the building would initiate structural collapse from the 
  middle. Nothing says you have to put them at the bottom!  Cheers!
  Chris
  
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From: bob allen 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:45 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BYU professor's 
group accuses U.S. officials of lying about 9/11
Howdy Tom, I'm no expert but one feature of the towers was 
rather large unbaffled elevator shafts.  get a fire going and you 
have a considerable chimney effect, also what other materials from the 
planes and or structures themselves could have contributed to the flame 
temperature- magnesium for example.  once you get a few of the 
upper floors to fail there was a pancaking effect as the top floors fell 
through and added to the load on the floors below.wouldn't 
planted charges caused the structural failure from the bottom up? That's 
not what I recall from the videos.Tom Irwin 
wrote:> Hi Bob and all,>  > I think it's in a lot 
of water supplies. But I have a couple of > questions for you that 
have bothered me for sometime.. How does an > oxygen starved kerosene 
fire melt structural steel? Could such a fire > really cause 
temperature hardened rivits to fail? and so many > 
simultaneously.>  > Tom> 

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Re: [Biofuel] [off topic]Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

2006-03-13 Thread lres1




Flight by disc,
It was reported that the crash in the Antarctic was due to a 
last minute programming disc inserted into the flight control system. The disc 
had supposedly the wrong data and put the plane Air new Zealand flight 
901, into mount Erebus.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus_disaster#Official_accident_report
 
The pilots were acquitted on the second hearing/study. So why 
not the towers etc? The pilot has not the time to change/react as the 
path can be set before take off thus no one on board would 
know.

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  topic]Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
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  No Arabs on Flight 77By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.DI am an ex 
  Naval line officer and a psychiatrist inprivate practice in New Orleans, a 
  Christian andhomeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that werushed 
  off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. Iconsidered various ways to 
  provide a smoking gun ofwho and why Sept 11th happened. Astute 
  observersnoticed right away that there were no Arabic soundingnames on 
  any of the flight manifests of the planesthat "crashed" on that 
  day.A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence,but an 
  autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook byFOIA request, to obtain that 
  autopsy list and you areinvited to view it below. Guess what? Still no 
  Arabson the list. In my opinion the monsters who plannedthis crime 
  made a mistake by not including Arabicnames on the original list to make 
  the ruse seem morebelievable.When airline disasters occur, 
  airlines will routinelyprovide a manifest list for anxious families. You 
  mayhave noticed that even before Sep 11th, airlines arepretty 
  meticulous about getting an accurate headcountbefore takeoff. It seems 
  very unlikely to me, thatfive Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons. 
  This isthe list provided by American of the 56 passengers. OnSeptember 
  27th, the FBI published photos of the"hijackers" of Flight 
  77.Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed ForcesInstitute of 
  Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous joband identifies nearly all the 
  bodies on November 16th2001.The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 
  killed, 125 workedat the Pentagon and 64 were "passengers" on the 
  plane.The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has58. They 
  did not explain how they were able to tell"victims" bodies from "hijacker" 
  bodies. In fact, fromthe beginning NO explanation has been given for 
  theextra five suggested in news reports except that theFBI showed us 
  the pictures to make up the difference,and that makes it so.Now, 
  being the trusting sort, I figured that thegovernment would want to 
  quickly dispel any rumors sowe could get on with the chore of 
  kickingOsama/Sadaam's butt (weren't these originally twodifferent 
  people?). It seemed simple to me. . .producethe names of all the bodies 
  identified by the AFIP andcompare it with the publicized list of 
  passengers. So,I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request 
  tothe AFIP and asked for an expedited response, becausewe were getting 
  ready to send our boys to war on thepretext that Osama/Saddam had done the 
  deed. Fourteenmonths later, a few US soldiers dead, many 
  Iraqicivilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get thelist. Believe 
  me that they weren't a bit happy to giveit up, and I really have no idea 
  why they choose nowto release it.No Arabs wound up on the morgue 
  slab; however, threeADDITIONAL people not listed by American 
  Airlinessneaked in. I have seen no explanation for theseextras. I did 
  American the opportunity to "revise"their original list, but they have not 
  responded. Thenew names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, andSandra 
  Teague. The AFIP claims that the only"passenger" body that they were not 
  able to identifyis the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents 
  andyoung sister are on the list of those identified. Thesatanic 
  masterminds behind this caper may be feelingpretty smug about the perfect 
  crime, but they haveleft a raft of clues tying these 
  unfortunatestogether.The PassengersIn the foregoing, I 
  presented evidence from the ArmedForces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), 
  that there wereno Arabs on American Airlines Flight 77. This 
  doesn'treally jibe with the official story, so someone isn'ttelling 
  the truth. This list itself is suspect becausethere is a special group of 
  "bone guys" that arecalled in whenever the government needs 
  an"adjustment" to their story.About "bone guys": No, we're not 
  talking folks thathang around secret Ivy League fraternities. On May 
  31,2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 
  '

Re: [Biofuel] Carbon Monoxide in Red Meat - incompetence in the FDA

2006-03-08 Thread lres1




For years the tube lights above the meat storage areas have 
been emitting slightly red rays to make the meat look red. If you take meat from 
the meat stall and put it under the lights in the cooler for green veggies you 
will see the change in color of the meat. The change is also due to a green 
given off by the tube lights to make the vegetables look fresh. Tube lights 
(Mercury vapor) with phosphorous lining has been used for years with added 
chemicals in the tubes to enhance the stalls/coolers where the different foods 
are on display.
 
Ever wandered why the meat looks red in the chiller and off 
red at the checkout?
 
Doug.

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  Red Meat - incompetence in the FDA
  
  


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  the people in positions of authority have demonstrated incompetence to 
  deal with economic influence.
   
  A useful resource for toxicology is
  http://www.fpnotebook.com/index.htm
   
  lead
  http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER118.htm
   
  CO carbon monoxide
  http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER116.htm
   
  pulmonary intoxicants
  http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER131.htm
   
  unknown ingestion
  http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER105.htm
   
  Kirk
   
  Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
Apparently, the FDA didn't want to feel left out and joined 
the party.
 
EPA: C.H.E.E.R.S. program paying poor families to 
submit children to pesticide testing
 
FEMA: All I have to say is - Katrina
 
FDA: see below.
 
Mike

 
FDA Asked to Prohibit use of Carbon Monoxide in Red 
Meat
February 21, 
2006A Michigan company has filed a 
petition asking the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to stop the use of 
carbon monoxide in supermarket meat.
 
The use of carbon monoxide deceives consumers 
and creates an unnecessary risk of food poisoning by enabling meat and 
ground beef to remain fresh-looking beyond the point at which typical color 
changes would indicate ageing or bacterial spoilage, according to Kalsec, 
Inc. of Kalamazoo, Michigan, a privately-held supplier of natural spice, 
herb, hop, and vegetable extracts for use in food, beverage, and 
pharmaceutical applications
 
Kalsec's petition urged the FDA to withdraw 
its July 2004 decision and related decisions to allow the presence of carbon 
monoxide in meat packaging."The FDA should not 
have accepted carbon monoxide in meat without doing its own independent 
evaluation of the safety implications," said Elizabeth Campbell, former head 
of FDA's Office of Food Labeling and now a consultant with AAC Consulting 
Group.The FDA accepted the practice under its 
"Generally Recognized As Safe" procedure, meaning that the FDA conducted no 
independent safety investigations on its own, but instead relied on industry 
claims, research and documentation.Carbon 
monoxide makes meat appear fresher than it actually is by reacting with the 
meat pigment myoglobin to create carboxymyoglobin, a bright red pigment that 
masks the natural aging and spoilage of meats.Carbon monoxide-treated meats are currently being sold to consumers 
without any notice that the meat has been treated with carbon 
monoxide."Carbon monoxide simulates the 
appearance of freshness, so consumers may actually believe meat is fresh and 
safe when it may be neither," said Dr. Don Berdahl, Vice President and 
Technical Director of Kalsec. "We hope the FDA acts quickly to end this 
deceptive, potentially dangerous practice."The 
appearance of meat, and specifically its color, is the primary factor in 
consumers' decisions to buy a product, Berdahl said. The use of carbon 
monoxide in meat makes it impossible for consumers to know with certainty 
about the meat's freshness merely by looking at it.Treating meat with carbon monoxide could hide the growth of 
pathogens, such as Clostridium Botulinum, Salmonella and E. coli 
O157:H7.If meat is bought spoiled, refrigerated 
improperly or used after these pathogens begin to grow, even proper cooking 
might not be sufficient to render the food safe to eat, because certain 
bacteria produce toxins that survive the cooking process, he 
said.The petition claims the FDA illegally 
accepted the use of carbon monoxide. It is precisely because of the 
potential for carbon monoxide to mask the appearance of aging or spoilage 
and promote consumer deception that FDA

Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel Group

2006-03-08 Thread lres1




 
I was of the opinion that the sulfur content in fuel was due to the 
surrounds from where it was sourced. Shale oil was known to be very high in 
Sulfur and as such was of much less value than other sources.
 
To note the GM (Detroit) series of 2 stroke engines did not 
last long on the shale oils as they wore the piston rings out. years ago a 
standing joke when we kept getting high sulfur diesel was that if you ran a 
Detroit 2 stroke you should fit a sieve to the exhaust to keep the rings in. 
this being the case and the extra wear on the rings then I don't see the sulfur 
as an additive but the dumping and propaganda that comes from oil companies to 
sell poor products at top prices with no come back by the 
customer.
 
Sulfur is the destructive component in the bearings/shells on 
the crank shaft, also as above in the piston rings. It is being sucked into 
thinking it is good stuff for the engine where in reality it was the opening of 
closed shale oil deposits due to the detrimental effects on engines. With $ and 
time you can swing the population to believe almost any things is good for your 
car. Take silicone based cleaners and "rejuvenators" for upholstery. Silicone 
based substances break down and can destroy the interior of cars but the packets 
of such display sparkling leather etc. Just another fallacy 
and manipulation.
 
Doug 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Calgary Biodiesel 
  Group
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  InterScan.***-***I wish people would stop 
  saying this, it's endlessly regurgitated butit's not true:"The 
  original combustion fuel used by Rudolf Diesel in 1900 in hisprototype 
  compression engine was derived from peanut oil, the firstever biodiesel." 
  - Australian Biodiesel GroupThis is even worse - peanut oil is 
  biodiesel, good grief.Also... "The chemistry of transesterification 
  has been wellunderstood for many years. However, until recently, the 
  leadingtechnologies have been extremely expensive and/or cumbersome due 
  toinconsistent production quality. The Europeans have dealt with 
  theseissues by limiting the preferred feedstock for biodiesel 
  producedthere to canola oil."LOL! What BS.Just another 
  commercial operation that ain't gonna change the world,nor anything much, 
  IMNSHO.BestKeith>Kirk McLoren 
  wrote:> > Sulphur is not added as a lubricant. WHere do they get 
  that rubbish?> > Kirk>>It's not deliberately added, 
  but sulfur does indeed provide a lot of>lubrication for the injector 
  pump. My understanding is that it needs to>be replaced in very low 
  sulfur fuel, BD makes a great replacement, as>they point out 
  here.>>In effect, they're right, it's just that it's not added 
  intentionally.>>--- David>> > */Darryl McMahon 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* 
  wrote:> >> > Spotted this in the 
  March 2006 C3 Views. First I have heard of this> 
  > group in Calgary.> >> 
  >>http://www.climatechangecentral.com/resources/c3views/C3_Views_March_0>6.pdf> 
  >> > page 15> >> 
  > ===> 
  > French fries, fried chicken and other fast food 
  may have a bad rap> > for> 
  > their calorie-laden fat content. But the 
  greasiest junk food may> > provide> 
  > the fuel of choice for Canadaís trucking industry 
  and other> > diesel-powered machinery in the 
  near future. At least, thatís what a> > 
  group of Alberta entrepreneurs is hoping as they prepare to open the> 
  > provinceís first biodiesel refinery.> 
  >> > ìWe think thereís a lot of 
  potential,î says Patrick Luft,> > co-founder 
  of> > the Calgary Biodiesel Centre, which 
  has plans to begin producing> > up 
  to> > 20 million litres of biodiesel per 
  year in a plant on the> > outskirts 
  of> > Calgary. ìThe beauty of biodiesel is 
  that itís a renewable fuel, it> > lubricates 
  engines a lot better and it reduces greenhouse gas> 
  > emissions> > as 
  well.î> >> > Luft and partner 
  Perry Toms have obtained a licence to use> > 
  technology, developed by the Australian Biodiesel Group, capable of> 
  > turning used cooking oil and tallow from southern 
  Alberta> > slaughterhouses into fuel that 
  can power diesel engines.ìBecause the> > 
  industry is in its infancy,weíll have to start off using new> 
  > canola oil,> > 
  but it will be capable of using tallow, used cooking oils and> 
  > non-edible> > 
  vegetable oil products,î Luft says.ìIt will be a modular plant so> 
  > it can> > be 
  quickly ramped up as demand grows.î> >> 
  > Biodiesel demand is expected to balloon when a 
  new air pollution law> > comes into effect 
  in June, dropping the maximum allowable

Re: [Biofuel] What the: outlawing chemical sales to the public

2006-03-06 Thread lres1

Takes less than 1 minute to set a car up to disappear with
what is already in it. Takes but nothing to use what is in a kitchen to make a
large noise etc. Takes but a bit of tube and fuel/air to make a launch for
several 100 meters.
Very few safes are impervious to entry by alternative
determined people, time is the problem factor.
Most things we use in every day life can be modified, the
user is the problem. When the user is pushed by outside influences then he is
unstable, equilibrium is made by making sure most of the people are in Bliss or
secure in their future. Equilibrium is falling around the ears of the US,
perhaps it easier to see from the outside than from within?
It is up to this generation to give future generations reasons
for hope. This does not mean blowing the place apart or apathy it means an
active and yet passive role, a very fine edge for humanity to travel over
the next 100 years or so.
Doug

**-***
It is so stupid this "war on terrorism". Basically this type of
legislation is feel good tripe.
Are they going to outlaw salt and sugar?. Cheddites (artillery shell
explosive - France) were made from sugar and electrolysed salt. I can see
restricting dynamite sales but this is like the crap at the airport. I wont
fly anymore.(vote with my money)
Moving from this stupid fearful society is possibly an answer..
KirkJeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Yes
a person could make some very nasty things. The problem I see with the
outlawing of chems is thatif I really wanted to make nasty stuff I can
even with out comercial access to such chems. A ball mill anda
hacksaw will let me make fine grain powder of just about anything I want
(I need more ceramic pellets).The people who do nasty type stuff can do
the same. This type of law might stop the 10yo down the blockfrom
building a firework or pipe bomb but I really think there is a far
larger issue in that type of case.Whiskey Tango Foxtrot were the
parents!? I am tired of seeing crap law to protect people against
otherpeople when the time/effort would have been better spent on
education. I think that education of real terroristis the best
solution (along with not screwing with someone else country too). That
leaves the real mentallyunbalanced people, mostly in the USA, to fear
bombings from. I am willing to risk a random bombing inexchange for
my freedom. I do expect there to be mechanisms in place to weed these
unstable people outand cure or confine them. I know my views are not
sane, no need to point that out, but if you have a sanerone let me
know.JeromieEvergreen Solutions wrote:>This
could be a pain in the tookus, but look at this site I found the other
day:>http://www.unitednuclear.com/>>All in all it's
quite a fun site, but selling things like FeO2 and>Aluminum on the
same page for very cheap is...well...scary about who>could get it?
And look at all the other stuff they have, plus recipes>for "homemade
fireworks"...For about $20 of materials + shipping from>that site,
you could concoct something awfully, awfully nasty.>>But, I
think if this sort of thing does really happen, the legislation>I
mean, we'll see more co-op's as a way around
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Re: [Biofuel] The Brutal Christ of the Armageddonites -Religiousfanaticism in American foreign policy

2006-03-06 Thread lres1




If it takes 1 second to drop a bottle of milk, the mop and 
bucket are close and ready, it would take 10 seconds of very quick work to clean 
the mess up.
 
100 years of US pol will take 1,000 to repair, a long haul 
made by the few like Slown, HF and very few others activated by self greed and 
self-aggrandizement. What a sick place to be in. 
 
There is a very fine line between fanaticism and belief. When 
belief becomes fanaticism better to stop the belief. Fanaticism 
blinds.
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Re: [Biofuel] Other people's countries

2006-03-02 Thread lres1




See/search Operation Phoenix on many 
sites.
 
As far as I know the old or the young Shrub never 
declared war or war was never declared on a  small land locked country and 
was never a threat to the US in any way. Guess who was in charge of the Citizens 
International Authority at the time! war crimes some suggest! 100 years plus to 
clean up the mess and the present day to day maiming of farmers. The mess 
not cleaned up yet and the same Scrubs looking for new grounds to spoil or sand 
pit to play in.
 
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm
 
Doug 
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  They are all above the law. It is a reality
  KirkPaul S Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
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think the scariest thing about impeachment of Bush II is Dick 
Cheney.Republicans in the 90's weren't scared of Al Gore, but I 
think everyone except Wyoming is scared of The Dick being 
president.He's already increased the power of the Vice President to 
unprecedented levels i.e. Redaction (top secret) power, Iraq, shooting a guy 
in the face etc...Maybe next year when the Dems take over both 
houses of Congress.THROW THE BUMS OUT!All joking aside, I 
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Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry

2006-02-23 Thread lres1




I like the thought track here.
 
We are at about the same stage as Prohibition as it was when 
Henry Ford produced a car to run on Methanol. At the same stage where Rudolf 
Diesel made his engine on Peanut oil, did diesel fuel come first or the engine? 
Numbers  = weight is what's needed and from diverse areas/countries 
and backgrounds or BD will get even bigger feet placed upon its head. 

 
Doug Handisides- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:10 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an 
  Industry
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  steve;In fact if you read my web page the idea of operating like a 
  u-brew place is exactly what I have been suggesting.  The idea of 
  building up a nation wide or international body with it's own set of 
  guidelines, standards and quality control measures is still a great idea 
  but I feel it should be kept below the radar as long as possible.  In 
  that way the ranks can grow and the larger they become the more 'suitably 
  out of control' (thanks Keith) the situation becomes for those that would 
  one day try to put a halt to it.  Some folks seem to think we have 
  reached that critical mass already or are close to it.  I say a dual 
  pronged approach to this issue is best.  One where the organization 
  does take place in a very serious way but the second prong, the official 
  'coming out' should be delayed otherwise we could become like tall poppies 
  which need to be razed and are easily recognized as such.The idea of 
  u-brew fuel solves a lot of problems for the organization as well.  
  It puts the liability issues squarely on the shoulders of each individual 
  who undertakes to make fuel for thier vehicle which IMO is the way it 
  should be.  The organization's job is to educate and inform its 
  members and provide them with high quality equipment and quality testing 
  standards to make thier job easy.  My role in this regard has been 
  tinkering with my vacuum reactor trying to make it as safe and effective 
  as possible for the job, and publishing all the details so that others can 
  pick up the ball everywhere and run with it.  Hopefully so many tall 
  poppies wil spring up all of a sudden it will be hard to tell whether it 
  is the tall ones or the short ones that look out of place.  This is 
  exactly the situation the oil barons cannot cope with. But give them a 
  single target and they will pull out the heavy weapons with no 
  mercy.  They are holding most of the cards don't 
  forget.JoeSteve Racz wrote:>Hi 
  Kenji,>>I've read some of the report you quoted. I guess it must 
  be kept in mind that >this is a submission from a private enterprise to 
  the government on >recommendations for expanding the industry in 
  Canada, both from a producer >perspective and from a consumer 
  perspective. It is certainly not legislation.>>A further point 
  is that they recommended registration and certification for 
  >biofuel/producers that enters the fuel distribution system. This would 
  take >home-brew systems pretty much off the radar screen from this kind 
  of >scrutiny.>>Of course if this were to turn into 
  legislation, it would still leave out a >whole class of producer - that 
  operated like a the equivalent of the beer >micro-brewery ie: a small 
  commercial producer selling direct to the public. >Surely we would 
  expect some type of standards to be adhered to if fuel was >being sold 
  to the public.>>I agree with you, however, that if 
  certifications and registration were made >universal, that could be to 
  the detriment of the home producer (depending on >how costly this 
  becomes) and that would not be desirable. >>The solutions to 
  world energy requirements post cheap oil (ie: today) has to >involve 
  lots of different solutions at the local level with local people who 
  >care about their local environment( and therefore the global 
  environment). We >can't leave it to big business to solve this one 
  because we already know >where their values are and what results that 
  leads to.>>Steve>>  
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[Biofuel] Kurt, Re: Liberty BD Issues?

2006-02-19 Thread lres1




Douglas Handisides
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  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:32 
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  Subject: [Biofuel] Liberty BD 
  Issues?
  
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  for a while, just watching, reading, and boosting my skill level quietly 
  in the background; I'm making small 2-liter batches regularly now and just 
  adding them to the F250 tank as a "System Cleaner" additive. ;) When I 
  have more money, I shall work on scaling up.Anyway, 
  reacquaintances aside, I was wondering if anyone on the list has had 
  experience with the Jeep Liberty CRD engine. I've been reading up on it, 
  it seems like a not-too-shabby little diesel, perky enough for the job and 
  so forth, but I've also seen people suggest that the computer is sensitive 
  to BD percentages and starts to throw problems after you go over the B20 
  line; anyone else heard this?

  I am not sure on what you call a CRD engine for the 
  Jeep?
  The VM that was used in Jeeps is a very expensive engine to 
  maintain?
  Need more on this thread e-mail me.
   
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Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel

2006-02-04 Thread lres1

My next batch of Ethanol will be mixed with a small amount of
castor oil to enable it to run in a tractor engine.
Put a ratio of about 85% ethanol and 15% water into my little
off road racing carts and the ethanol way out performed the petrol one. That is
two off road race carts exactly the same, one jetted and running on
85%E + 15% water and one on standard petrol. The Ethanol was by far
the more powerful and beat the petrol cart. Am having idling trouble with my
Ethanol motorbike so am working on carburetor jet increase percentages and float
levels as well as the air flow in the venturi. Once above idle the motor bike
passes the standard bike running on petrol.
Any one in India tried the Diesel 500 or 350 single
Bullet on Ethanol and castor oil? I presume that these bikes are lower
than normal diesel CI engines or at the lower of the CI range required. A 500 CI
in a motor bike would tend to make for blurred vision for the rider I would have
thought?
In cold climates I have started CI engines with a gas soaked
rag over the intake. This causes a lot of "knocking". Thus showing timing is way
out. If ethanol is injected then with the timing slightly adjusted there
should be no reason why the one fuel should not be able to run both engines.

Some engines, as already stated in many places, were multi
fuel, any thing that would burn was fed in. That is kerosene, gas as in CNG and
LPG, Petrol, Diesel and ethanol/methanol. If the same system of crank
shafts/pistons configuration is used with all these engines then it figures
that it is possible to run any of the afore mentioned fuels on engines with very
subtle changes to the engine or additives to the fuel selected.
Take a CI at the top end of the compression range if it was
fitted with an extra valve that enabled it to open and thus increase the burning
area of the fuel then it would lower the compression, closing the valve to the
"combustion chamber" would increase the compression thus it would be a CI engine
and opening the valve would be a EI (Electric
Ignition) engine.
The answer to the question of Ethanol Vs Biodiesel is in the
application/engine/engine configuration. Will know late next week, all going
well, the comparison of low down torque with ethanol/castor oil mix as
opposed to Diesel. It is the low down torque the older tractors used, they were
not much, in some engines, below the low down torque of the steam engines
they replaced. However the steam engines in many cases had much more torque than
the diesel engines. On the plus side the running of steam was about 15-20%
running time and 80-85% maintenance time depending on fuels and water quality.
This gave the diesel tractor a greater advantage as down time was
reduced.
Doug

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:28
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs
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wrote:"Ethanol and Biodiesel are totally different substances and have
completely "different applications. Biodiesel works in engines with a
compression ratio"over 50, like most of diesel engines. Explossion in
the engine occurs "because a temperature/pressure ratio (the diesel
cicle). Ethanol/Gas blends"and ethanol alone are used in the lower
compression ratio engines tipically"10. The explosion occurs because a
spark plug initiates the cicle."There are not engines which can use either
ethanol and Biodiesel. Ethanol "may explode way before the right moment in
the high compression diesel "cicles and Biodiesel do not have the flash
point enough for a low "compression engine.There might be diesel
engines with compression ratio that high, but theyusually don't go over
25:1. Pure ethanol can run in engines as high as 13:1compression ratio.
And there are some very unique engines that can run both.The US
Army duce and a half can run on almost anything you put into it andit will
run a very long time with no problem. They normally run diesel, butI've
been told that they will run on any flammable liquid. There is a set
ofcontrols that can be adjusted based on what type of fuel you put
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Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-19 Thread lres1




The easiest of vacuum pumps would be that from a 
Toyota or such engine that has the pump, on the rear of the alternator for 
operation of Vacuum assist brakes. Is easy to add a small oil reservoir and a 
discharge into the same reservoir to lubricate the unit. The alternator with a 
bit of engineering can also be rewound and made into a motor, bit of work but is 
easy to get parts for. Have found dry run vane pumps to be not so good as they 
get deposits built up where as the lubricated type tends to have the lubricant 
as a cleaning agent for the vanes.
 
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  vacuum.
  
  


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  Malcolm;Does it just give VP of water or is it other substances as 
  well??PS your name sounds very familiar to me. Are you in 
  Ontario?JoeMALCOLM MACLURE wrote: 
  I have extensive vapour pressure tables prepared by the Smithsonion
Institution, if it's any use to someone.

If anyone would like a scan I will e-mail it to you. It should print out ok
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Regards

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

  

David Miller wrote:

 

[snip]

  

  I'm not sure what you're referring to in "I should look for a 50".  I'd 
suggest looking for a "dry" pump that doesn't require oil lubrication.  
These are commonly used for refridgeration or freeze drying of food, 
should go to the required vacuum levels, and should last a long time.  
Scientific pumps generally don't like that kind of water vapor. 
   

  Would a home grade vacuum sealer (for food bag + jars) be sufficient? I 
have seen many older
units at yard sales (wife wont let me get near her new one that does 
bottles/jars!)
 


Interesting idea, but I doubt it.  It might work for the 1 gallon test 
batches, but I'm not sure I can see it working on a 50 gallon batch.  I 
don't know what they have for vacuum pumps in them, but I doubt they're 
made to run that long.  It wouldn't cost that much to try one though.

  

  The key to the operation is to have the fuel hot and a cool place for it 
to condense.  You don't have to pump all the water vapor out, just 
create the conditions where the water will boil out of the fuel and 
condense in the condensor.  That means a vacuum of 25 - 27 inches. 
   

  That sounds easy enough with a few pipes and some peltiers. How cold 
does the surface need to be
for condensing water in a 25~27 inch vacuum? What about boiling temp? I 
know boiling temp goes
down as the atmospheric pressure goes down but I do not know scale. Is 
there a online chart showing
this? What kind of vessel would be needed for a 25~27 inch vacuum (and 
so I am sure, that is a negative
PSI rating yes?)
 


These numbers have been posted a bunch of times now.

  

  
  5 deg. C =  6.5mm Hg
  55 deg. C = appr. 110 mm Hg


As Joe Street said several times on this thread if you keep the fuel hot 
(55C) and have a room temperature condensor (5-10C) you can just run the 
vacuum pump until you get to 27" or so and you're done.  Water can be 
drained out the condensor afterward.

These aren't the only numbers that will work, but they give you an 
idea.  You can do it at atmospheric pressure if you raise the 
temperature enough, or reduce the temp of the fuel by decreasing the 
pressure.  You have to look up vapor pressures of water at different 
temperatures if you want to rigorously engineer something, but these 
look like good rules-of-thumb.

--- David




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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!

2006-01-17 Thread lres1

For all the different races creeds right down to individual family
structures the thought patterns and the associated thought denominators are
infinite. Common sense is not.

For Keith to take the time to respond to the mail lets me know that 1/ he is
alive and well on the hill/mountain and 2/ is not discriminatory but has a
site open to all. For a whole to work as one it needs to understand all the
globally diverse denominators and thus the responses to address them.

Who knows where Mike or Keith will finish up or the influences/legacies they
leave behind.

Twould appear that nothing is immortal not even the earth we tread under
foot.
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> Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man
wrote.
> How can you keep your patients ?
>
> Greetings,
> Pieter.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
>
>
> > >HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
> > >
> > >HI MIKE!
> > >
> > >I first began using methanol just on the weekends.  A few bottles of
dry
> > >gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my
> > >fuel usage.  Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little
> > >bottles and I began to buy boxes of HEET.  I drove all over town just
to
> > >save a few cents on
> > >a case.  Soon, as I began to feel better and better, and my VW ran
> > >better and better.  I am ashamed to say I even got my friends involved.
> > >We snuck around behind seamy restaurants, liberating oil. We pretended
> > >to have drain problems so we could buy lye.  We began to just want to
be
> > >by ourselves, cooking our little batches.  We egged each other on.
Soon
> > >we had quite a litle crowd.  Little bottles didn't cut it anymore. One
> > >of my buddies "knew a guy" who could get 5 gallon jugs.  Suddenly life
> > >was good again.  We built bigger and better "works."  We got brazen.
We
> > >drove around stinking of oil - Thai food, French Fries and peanut oil.
> > >We started to meet the higher ups in the methanol trade.  We did a deal
> > >and scored 55 gallons.  We had quite a racket going.  We though we were
> > >untouchable.
> > >
> > >Then it all came crashing down.  There was an intervention.  Nice white
> > >men is suits explained over and over how methanol leads to the
> > >destruction of the US economy.  Good people at ExxonMobil, Shell and
> > >Sunoco would be out of work.  They explained how we were a major factor
> > >in the collapse of the SUV industry, and the dire condition of GM and
> > >Ford.  We felt bad.
> > >
> > >Today I am a happy member of society.  I have an SUV and heat my house
> > >with petroleum.  I drive work from the suburbs.
> > >
> > >Let my story be a warning to you all:  One little bottel of methanol
can
> > >lead to not just your downfall, but the wholesale collapse of all we
> > >hold dear.
> > >The American way of life is a blessed one.  Be strong against the
forces
> > >of darkness that seek to mislead you.  Do not follow Keith.  He is a
> > >false prophet.
> > >He lives on a mountain in Japan, preaching self-sufficiency.  Little do
> > >most people know he is really the head of an evil cartel that has huge
> > >holdings in methanol, lye and vegetable oil.  You have been warned!
Oh,
> > >he has also cornered the market in Phenopthalein.
> >
> > It's not a false profit, how can you say such a thing? It's true that
> > we did try to corner the market in that stuff but it didn't work
> > because we couldn't spell it right either.
> >
> > Please make sure you get your facts straight next time before you
> > start accusing innocent people of living on mountains and so on. And
> > I don't preach self-sufficiency, all I said was I vunt to be alone.
> > But thanks for asking people not to follow me up here at least.
> >
> > >Be Strong!
> >
> > Hmph.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >-Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] Seeds

2005-12-31 Thread lres1




I say, the French introduced the Jatropha here for oil lamps 
and as hedges around gardens etc to keep goats and the likes out of the cabbage 
patches. So far the Jatropha, after all but 100 + years is still not taken over 
where it isn't wanted as such. If it had I would not be looking for seeds or the 
plants or saplings. If it had taken like Gorse in NZ then this would sure be a 
problem to reckon with, alas at this stage Jatropha is still hard to come by 
here in quantity with the Thai buying at 3,000 KIP per kilo (about US$0.30). 

 
Not so sure on the large scale plantations of Eucalyptus that 
has been planted over the last few years here as all ground cover has gone from 
beneath where as before there was tropical forests. Ah well. 
 
Summary, after more than 100 years of Jatropha growing and is 
still hard to buy seeds and plants here, none exist in the wild, it is a 
reasonable risk to grow it. 
 
Doug 

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  has anyone on this forum considered the long term 
  implications of importing/planting foreign plants? in many countries this 
  practise is illegal, and restricted for many more. This is for very good 
  reason, initally the import of a new plant or tree may seem to solve a 
  problem, but when it starts to grow wild and replace the indigenous species, 
  it could have catastrophic consequences for the ecology of the 
  region.
  Regards
  Bob
  
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:51 
AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Seeds


Prakash Chhagani,
Can you please send details of what you can supply in the 
range of Jatropha of the non-toxic variety. Would like cost of DHL from you 
to me here of 5,000 seed lots.
 
Thank you for your help.
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  From: 
  prakash chhangani 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 
  12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha 
  Curcas Where
  
  


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  Dear sir,
  If you are interested from supplies from India we can  help you. 
  Please advise.
  Yours truly,
  Prakash Chhagani
   
   
  
  



Sorry to trouble all but am unable to find a site 
where I can buy seeds for Jatropha Curcus, the  non-toxic 
variety from Mexico. That is I would like to be able to locate 100 
kilograms of such seeds at minimum for propagation into a hedge type 
stabilizing system for steep hillsides that have been stripped bare and 
thus need to be rehabilitated.
 
Thank you for what help any one may give.
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[Biofuel] Seeds

2005-12-30 Thread lres1

Prakash Chhagani,
Can you please send details of what you can supply in the
range of Jatropha of the non-toxic variety. Would like cost of DHL from you to
me here of 5,000 seed lots.
Thank you for your help.
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From:
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:09
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas
Where

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If you are interested from supplies from India we can help you.
Please advise.
Yours truly,
Prakash Chhagani

Sorry to trouble all but am unable to find a site where I
can buy seeds for Jatropha Curcus, the non-toxic variety from
Mexico. That is I would like to be able to locate 100 kilograms of such
seeds at minimum for propagation into a hedge type stabilizing system for
steep hillsides that have been stripped bare and thus need to be
rehabilitated.
Thank you for what help any one may give.
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Re: [Biofuel] Run for your livees!!

2005-12-28 Thread lres1




Mike,
As is most common in life, in many fields, patent Lawyers hold 
more patents than any other group of people. This for sure is not a surprise 
just fact from my days as a member of "the inventors association" 
etc.
 
What has been done in the past, my brother in-law included, 
was to operate his machines under a cover that was hard and fast locked 
down so no one could see the ideas that went into his food processing. The 
costs of doing a patent search and then the publication does not stop any one 
doing a registered design against your patent plans, I have missed a step but 
your Lawyer will let you know.
 
Then again the establishment enters the equation if it is in 
"the best interests of the people" those with the space space space leave this 
to your imagination.
 
The double lip paint can seal was a NZ invention sent to the 
US for appraisal, the guy on arrival, in the US found it under mass production 
there. The origin of the design so I believe, was to keep flour in sealed 
tins but the idea became non patentable as by then it fitted 
the "public knowledge" category. Story ends.
 
Doug 
 
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  livees!!
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  believe are probably patentable.  I talked to a good family friend 
  who is a patent lawyer and he agreed.  However, the issue is more in 
  being able to afford the patent work, and the inevitable lawsuits that 
  will follow.  After the past few years,I have begun to believe that 
  the best thing to do is to publish or license the works under an "open" or 
  "creative commons" license.If I get off my duff and make a product, I can 
  sell it, and anyone else can too.Anyone have any experience with 
  this?Is the Appleseed processor under this sort of 
  patent?-MikeRobert Carr wrote:>Yep, that is 
  real good, this ad is well put together. but I for one resent>people 
  trying to make money out of info that others have made available 
  for>free>How about filling this guys ebay mailbox with crap? I 
  have already done my>bit lol (nothing nasty or abusive 
  though)>- Original Message ->From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: >Sent: 
  Monday, December 26, 2005 2:09 PM>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Run for your 
  livees!!>>>  >>>Wow.  Glad I'm 
  not one of those biodiesel crackpots.   
  Errr.>>Um.    
  NevermindRemember.  Don't share this with your 
  friends.On 12/25/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:>>    
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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha / Toxic Properties / Micro Algae Link

2005-12-18 Thread lres1




JQ,

To eat one Jatropha seed from here gives 
the stomach an extremely sickly feeling with vomiting and a very 
dizzy head. It is very similar to have ingested 8 triple whisky and 
sodas. Lasting effects are for no less than 8 hours. (Above ingested by 
accident by a moderate drinker at age 21).
Best to all.
Doug 
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  Properties / Micro Algae Link
  
  


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  I've read that jatropha is 
  toxic  only if taken in sufficient quantity,  it is used as a 
  purgative,  contains lignites that can be used allegedly as an anti 
  cancer treatment (jatropine),  bark as raw material dye and leaves that 
  can be used to feed silkworms.    Not bad for a third world 
  agro business crop.  
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha

2005-12-18 Thread lres1

 "Iraq, Algae - it's 
  all the same to me", and to me too pretty much. Whether invading Iraq or 
  dreaming about algae yields, what's mostly a path of denial because of a 
  drug-addiction problem (gotta guzzle) is unlikely to lead to a 
  glorious future for evermore, which is what sustainable is supposed to 
  mean.I'm beginning to think people either get it or they don't, and 
  that if they don't they won't (or is it the other way round?), but there's 
  this, once again:How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it 
  take?http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuchBest 
  wishesKeith>Regards,>JQ>Cave Creek, 
  Aridzona>lres1 wrote:>>>Hello all,>>Am in a 
  bit of a quandary as to Jatropha nuts for Bio fuel.>>>>I 
  have been advised that the non toxic variety of Jatropha found in 
  >>Mexico produces no oil for relatively simple processing to bio 
  fuel >> where that of  the toxic variety yields 
  oil.>>>>Fable or fallacy?>>>>Still 
  have found no place to buy the Mexican seeds, is the above >>the 
  reason why?>>>>Thank you to any one that can help make 
  things fly here without >>long term damage to the environment but 
  using such plants for land >>stability, the slowing of land erosion 
  and river bank stability as >>well as for banks for rice terraces 
  and hedges. How much silt does >>the Mekong river carry each year 
  that could be reduced by such 
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[Biofuel] Jatropha

2005-12-17 Thread lres1




Hello all,
Am in a bit of a quandary as to Jatropha nuts for Bio fuel. 

 
I have been advised that the non toxic variety of 
Jatropha found in Mexico produces no oil for relatively simple processing 
to bio fuel  where that of  the toxic variety yields 
oil. 
 
Fable or fallacy?
 
Still have found no place to buy the Mexican seeds, 
is the above the reason why?
 
Thank you to any one that can help make things fly here 
without long term damage to the environment but using such plants for land 
stability, the slowing of land erosion and river bank stability as well as 
for banks for rice terraces and hedges. How much silt does the Mekong river 
carry each year that could be reduced by such planting?
 
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