Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > http://www.if-legends.org/~yois/column.php?column_date=2002-11-08 > > Everybody interested in preserving the integrity of this hobby ought to read > this, to see what we're up against. I think that is some of your finest work, Chris. Amazing, and disturbing. Thankfully, fakes are pretty easy to spot, and more importantly the cost of producing a passable fake outweighs the cost people will trade for it on ebay. (I'm guessing it would take at least $150 to produce something truly worth pirating.) Friggin' abandonware amateurs... I wish I never had anything to do with starting that whole movement. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? Drop by http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.demodvd.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
> FYI: The Atari Ultima 1 auction you list would have passed my > muster. > I wonder if this was an original used as a template for his other > fakes. The only thing I see in it that is odd is the the disk sleeve > is the wrong generation for the games. The disk sleeve that comes with > my wife's copy is the brown one with the old Sierra logo (the one where > you can see the trees in front of the mountain). Also, the plastic > tray that holds the disk and documentation and stiffens the box is > missing. That was an original one, yes. I confirmed this by talking to the winner of the auction. Here's a larger picture: http://uw3.de/eyal/Dcp_0119.jpg That's some honest wear and tear a faker should find quite impossible to imitate. This picture was actually what got me suspicious in the first place, Eyal sending me the same image for the proposed trade that he used for the auction. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
> I think that is some of your finest work, Chris. Amazing, and disturbing. > Thankfully, fakes are pretty easy to spot, and more importantly the cost of > producing a passable fake outweighs the cost people will trade for it on > ebay. (I'm guessing it would take at least $150 to produce something truly > worth pirating.) Yeah, I'd say it's rare you'd find someone with access to the equipment needed to do this as well as Eyal did, and the buyers spotted those right away once they actually held them. Folders would be the easiest pieces to clone, since there are only two sides (inside and out), no pages, no manuals... I don't think we'll see a fake saucer anytime soon. I've got some expert testimony from a collector in the printing / graphic design business that didn't quite make the column deadline, but I'll post it in the next. Had at least four other topics to discuss, but decided getting the word out on this was more important. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Great column C.E. Excellent job! - Original Message - From: "C.E. Forman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Software Collectibles Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > New Shoppe column: > > http://www.if-legends.org/~yois/column.php?column_date=2002-11-08 > > Everybody interested in preserving the integrity of this hobby ought to read > this, to see what we're up against. > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 04:15 AM, Alexander Zoller wrote: [Snip] That was an original one, yes. I confirmed this by talking to the winner of the auction. Here's a larger picture: http://uw3.de/eyal/Dcp_0119.jpg That's some honest wear and tear a faker should find quite impossible to imitate. I'm glad the buyer got a genuine game. I think I've dealt with the buyer before and I would hate to see him ripped off. Given the efforts that people go through to fake wear and tear on art objects, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try the same thing on an older game. Someone might attempt that to alleviate the possible suspicion that the fake was in too good a shape to be real. This picture was actually what got me suspicious in the first place, Eyal sending me the same image for the proposed trade that he used for the auction. Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. :-D -- Edward Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Edward Franks wrote: > Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. > :-D *nods* Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone from eBay's database shortly after. /Alexander -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: "Alexander Zoller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > Edward Franks wrote: > > > Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. > > :-D > > *nods* > > Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had > ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, > roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone > from eBay's database shortly after. > > /Alexander > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 11:15 AM, CcomputerGameCollector wrote: Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? Or perhaps a things-to-watch-out-for web site? -- Edward Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page itself. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact@;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. Anyone doing this already? - Original Message - From: "Alexander Zoller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > Edward Franks wrote: > > > Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. > > :-D > > *nods* > > Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had > ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, > roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone > from eBay's database shortly after. > > /Alexander > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Well if a website was created to do this, it would be pretty easy to process the info and re-present it in an acceptable form as far as ebay is concerned. - Original Message - From: "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. > > You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page > itself. > > Hugh > > -Original Message- > From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact@;computergamecollector.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > > > Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. > Anyone doing this already? > > - Original Message - > From: "Alexander Zoller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > > > > Edward Franks wrote: > > > > > Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. > > > :-D > > > > *nods* > > > > Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had > > ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, > > roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone > > from eBay's database shortly after. > > > > /Alexander > > > > -- > > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Sounds like a great idea...go for it! Be sure to include numerical data on desirable items: times sold on ebay (rarity), average sale price, etc. Of course, this would require a human eye to get it right. That would be a really useful site. Hugh -Original Message- From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact@;computergamecollector.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras Well if a website was created to do this, it would be pretty easy to process the info and re-present it in an acceptable form as far as ebay is concerned. - Original Message - From: "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > Not that I know of...and I'll bet eBay has a rule against it. > > You could probably post the information, but not a direct copy of the page > itself. > > Hugh > > -Original Message- > From: CcomputerGameCollector [mailto:contact@;computergamecollector.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > > > Hmm that wouldnt be a bad idea for a website - browse ebay history auctions. > Anyone doing this already? > > - Original Message - > From: "Alexander Zoller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras > > > > Edward Franks wrote: > > > > > Yeah. Saving eBay auction pages for future reference is very handy. > > > :-D > > > > *nods* > > > > Incidentally, I didn't save this particular auction right after it had > > ended. I only did so when Eyal approached me about the Ultima 1 trade, > > roughly 7 weeks after the auction had ended. And just in time, it was gone > > from eBay's database shortly after. > > > > /Alexander > > > > -- > > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
[SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
Figured I'd switch topics here since it had to happen sooner or later! What's your favorite old software find that you have? I have a *bunch* of old ziploc baggie games from the early days, but I'd have to say that my favorite ones are: (1) Pristine, perfect complete collection of Softalk magazine (1980-1984) (2) Akalabeth (the one with the orange castle) (3) Master Disks for a few of Nasir Gebelli's games: Horizon V, Eggs-It, Neptune. (4) Signed copy of Phantom's Five (Nasir) (5) Perfect box copy of Ultima II (6) Signed copy of Cyber Strike (Nasir) (7) Signed copy of Both Barrels (Nasir) - John -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
Hugh Falk stated: > >Sounds like a great idea...go for it! Be sure to include numerical data on >desirable items: times sold on ebay (rarity), average sale price, etc. Of >course, this would require a human eye to get it right. That would be a >really useful site. And a major undertaking. I did something like this for a while for two of my pages (http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/cvg/PacmanFever/ and http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/Rom/actionfig/where.shtml, if you must now). It's no big deal for a few items that you're regularly searching for anyway. I can't imagine trying to do it on a major scale, though. All I did for my pages was create Excel spreadsheets for date, auction number, winning bid, and notes. I used the notes to record details on unusual auctions (like shrinkwrapped/new items or what was missing from an incomplete auction figure), but didn't make any exceptions for those in calculating averages and such. (I figured they'd, well, average out.) It's often very hard to accuarately judge condition of items from an auction listing, even if it has photos. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Counterfeit Sierras
> All I did for my pages was create Excel spreadsheets for date, auction > number, winning bid, and notes. I used the notes to record details on > unusual auctions (like shrinkwrapped/new items or what was missing > from an incomplete auction figure), but didn't make any exceptions for > those in calculating averages and such. A more automated method might be to use a scripting language to do the search, record the details in a database, then have a human delete inappropriate matches. That would guarantee only the most poorly-listed items would be overlooked. You'd have to search about 3 times a week to ensure no 3-day auctions would be overlooked. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> What's your favorite old software find that you have? Since John listed 7, so will I... 1. Shrinked PC re-release from SoftSmith, of Sentient Software's "Cyborg" by Michael Berlyn. Currently the only known PC copy in existence (unless you've got one and haven't come forward yet). 2. Softporn by Sierra. Gotta love Roberta in a hot tub. B-) 3. Adventure in Serenia, Sierra's PC version of Wizard and the Princess. 4. Signed photo of Douglas Adams and Steve Meretzky, from their days at Infocom. (Okay, technically that's not software, but it's related.) 5. Myth by Magnetic Scrolls. Given away to members of the Official Secrets adventurers' club, in Europe. Never available to U.S. players. 6. and 7. Scott Adams Limited Gold Edition collectors' cases (both disk and cassette versions), only 1000 made. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 05:09 PM, John Romero wrote: Figured I'd switch topics here since it had to happen sooner or later! What's your favorite old software find that you have? My favorite find was a big box Ultima II. I found it at a used bookstore that was starting to resell old computer software. I was startled to see a number of Apple ][ Ultimas there. As I looked through the stacks there it was. I couldn't believe my luck when I saw the price tag of $4. Yes, four dollars. When I opened it, though, I realized that I had made the mythical killer find. You see, there were two cloth maps, two sets of disks, two manuals (one being a first edition!)... I had one box with double the fun. :-D Another favorite find was Odyssey: The Compleat Apventure by Robert Clardy (Synergestic Software). I remember the hours and hours I used to play this game in college. Finding a mint copy was a fun bit of nostalgia. Even better I found I still enjoy the game today. Ultima: Escape from Mt. Drash is one simply because it took me three years to find a copy. Before I found my copy several people had claimed to own a copy, but when asked to share some information about the game they had numerous excuses why they couldn't share (my favorite being the one where the person claimed their Drash cartridge (!) was cracked). -- Edward Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
> Another favorite find was Odyssey: The Compleat Apventure by Robert > Clardy (Synergestic Software). I remember the hours and hours I used > to play this game in college. Finding a mint copy was a fun bit of > nostalgia. Even better I found I still enjoy the game today. I remember this one, this was a GREAT game! It's in four parts, right? First you fight monsters, trade, and acquire enough money to build a ship and leave the island, then you have to navigate the ocean, find a magic artifact in some catacombs (my memory here's a bit fuzzy) and then use it to storm the bad guy's fortress. My cousin and I used to play it on his IIe. The only thing was, he'd gotten a pirate copy so a lot of the text had been hacked to display dirty words. IIRC, there was also a sequel, "Apventure to Atlantis" I think. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, John Romero wrote: > Figured I'd switch topics here since it had to happen sooner or later! > > What's your favorite old software find that you have? I have a copy of Adventure in Serenia as well. Paid top dollar for it; it's always going to be the centerpiece of my collection, seeing how it's the first game (out of, oh, many hundred) I ever finished. (I restrict my collecting to PC games only, so this is about as rare as it gets -- no Akalabeth for me.) I also managed to lift a big-box IBM Ultima II off eBay for $25, heh. It's not in great shape, though; maybe I'll get around to finding a box in better condition some day. -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 08:41 PM, C.E. Forman wrote: [Snip] I remember this one, this was a GREAT game! It's in four parts, right? First you fight monsters, trade, and acquire enough money to build a ship and leave the island, then you have to navigate the ocean, find a magic artifact in some catacombs (my memory here's a bit fuzzy) and then use it to storm the bad guy's fortress. My cousin and I used to play it on his IIe. The only thing was, he'd gotten a pirate copy so a lot of the text had been hacked to display dirty words. That's the one. :) It is wild to see how inventive people were with such limited resources. IIRC, there was also a sequel, "Apventure to Atlantis" I think. I have that one as well. I haven't started it yet as I need to complete my Odyssey first. Hmm. Now I have an urge to go find Dungeon Campaign and Wilderness Campaign... -- Edward Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] What's your favorite find?
John Romero stated: > >What's your favorite old software find that you have? Just to introduce myself to Mr. Romero and whoever else might be new, I'm not really much of a software collector. I find the topic quite interesting, but my personal passion is old video games (e.g. Atari 2600). Once MobyGames started up, though, I couldn't seem to help but wanting to buy old computer software when I found it. Before that, I might pick up an Infocom game if I saw one, but that was about it. At the moment, being unemployed and in need of money, I'm finally getting ready to sell many items. Some I'd never intended to keep and just hadn't gotten around to selling. Others I thought I might keep but current circumstances dictate they must go. One of these is a copy of Star Saga: One for the Apple II. All the materials inside are unused and the manuals are shrinkwrapped. I don't recall hearing about it until I found it, but I thought it was cool finding it in that condition. I have no sentimental attachment to it, however, and have decided to see what it will fetch on eBay. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Finds over "vacation"
Marco Thorek stated: > >It would be pretty neat if we could compile a list of magazines that ran >articles and/or had ads of interest. As owner and, sadly, non-updater of the Classic Video Games Literature List (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/cvg/cvglit.shtml), I would love to see such a database (or even better, one for video games), too. My list only covers industry-specific periodicals and books, not general periodicals that contained articles on topic. However, I think the software behind MobyGames could be converted to do either (or both). Most modifications are obvious. Instead of box scans, we have cover scans. Authors and editors instead of programmers. And so on. The cool part would be if we could create a subject database so you could quickly find articles related, for example, Infocom, Sid Meier, etc. The tough part would be selecting the article/book topics. You probably wouldn't want to give the user a complete list of every game, author, publisher, etc. to choose from. I suppose the MobyGames way of doing publisher and developer companies might work. (Let users type it in and present them with the matches, if there's more than one.) I'd love to do something like this, particularly if it included old video game platforms, but I simply don't have the time for something like this right now. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
[SWCollect] MobyScale question
Jim and anyone else that wants to chime in, Please make sure I'm using the MobyScale right. I have a copy of Ultima IV where the Book of Magic has been written in. Spell components were underlined (in pen) and many pages have a series of letters written at the top (e.g. "A, D, E"). The last three pages, which should be blank, have been written in a great deal. Does this make this book ED? Another question: should disks and sleeves be graded together or separately. This same package has the original disks with wear, but they're not in the original sleeves. Should I list them as "Disks: G/MMC"? (I'd probably put a note after that explaining the rating.) Also, is there not an official page for the MobyScale at MobyGames.com? I can't find one and Google returns the ones at YOIS and GOTCHA. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale question
I would say that yes; the book is ED. However, if you're using the abbreviated form and grading the entire contents of the game with one grade, I would not list the entire contents as ED. If everything else was F (for example), it might bring down the contents to VG or G (it's subjective, of course). I only grade contents as a whole, so I don't get into grading disks separately from sleeves, but I would certainly mention the sleeves as missing in the notes and would use MMC for the box contents. Since you're already going a step further and detailing out specific contents, I'd say it's up to you to decide what to apply the scale to. As long as it isn't misleading, do what you want. Hugh -Original Message- From: Lee K. Seitz [mailto:lkseitz@;mail.hiwaay.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:27 PM To: Software Collecting Subject: [SWCollect] MobyScale question Jim and anyone else that wants to chime in, Please make sure I'm using the MobyScale right. I have a copy of Ultima IV where the Book of Magic has been written in. Spell components were underlined (in pen) and many pages have a series of letters written at the top (e.g. "A, D, E"). The last three pages, which should be blank, have been written in a great deal. Does this make this book ED? Another question: should disks and sleeves be graded together or separately. This same package has the original disks with wear, but they're not in the original sleeves. Should I list them as "Disks: G/MMC"? (I'd probably put a note after that explaining the rating.) Also, is there not an official page for the MobyScale at MobyGames.com? I can't find one and Google returns the ones at YOIS and GOTCHA. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find?
Wow, there are so many...maybe too many. However, the ones that stick out in my mind aren't necessarily the best or rarest games I have, it's the best deals I found. So I'll just name the ones I got for free (the deal can't get any better than that): Akalabeth Starcross (Saucer Package) Suspended (Mask Box) Infocom folios -- Deadline, Suspended, Seastalker, Infidel, Planetfall, Enchanter, etc. Ultima Ultima II small box Ultima II big box Sierra folios -- Ulysses, Mystery House, Wizard and Princess, Time Zone, etc. I'll stop there...literally hundreds more. How did I get all these for free? On eBay, believe it or not, and they weren't free...initially . They came in large lots of stuff (usually with a ton of hardware). The games weren't even mentioned in the lots (so a search wouldn't find them). However, they were in the pictures, and I was lucky to spot them. I won the lots and kept the games. I sold the stuff I didn't want back on eBay (splitting up the items and with better advertising) and made more than I paid for the original lots. So the games actually made me money. I don't know if it's because I have less time or if these deals aren't around any more, but I haven't scored one in quite a while. I really miss the old days of ebay (5 years ago! :-) I'm also proud of my complete collection of EA flat box games...not that they're rare or expensive. I just haven't seen another complete set...anybody on this list collect EA flats? Hugh -Original Message- From: John Romero [mailto:john@;monkeystone.com] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] [ SWCollect ] What's your favorite find? Figured I'd switch topics here since it had to happen sooner or later! What's your favorite old software find that you have? I have a *bunch* of old ziploc baggie games from the early days, but I'd have to say that my favorite ones are: (1) Pristine, perfect complete collection of Softalk magazine (1980-1984) (2) Akalabeth (the one with the orange castle) (3) Master Disks for a few of Nasir Gebelli's games: Horizon V, Eggs-It, Neptune. (4) Signed copy of Phantom's Five (Nasir) (5) Perfect box copy of Ultima II (6) Signed copy of Cyber Strike (Nasir) (7) Signed copy of Both Barrels (Nasir) - John -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@;oldskool.org/
