Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?
Hi, > 1) > Access=student - access designated for students of a school/facility, > similar to customers of a shop or visitors of a facility. Does not imply > age or gender, though it is used at mostly at K-12 facilities. For use > with entrance=* or possibly with certain school amenities (Locker rooms, > bathrooms, bicycle parking). Sounds useful, but somehow I see a way that people might forget about the „designated“ part, using the tag for for entrances that may be used by students *and* other personnel, which would make the entrance essentially access=private isntead. > 2) > entrance=inter-building - an entrance that is designated for only moving > between buildings in a facility, even if physically accessible from > outside. Usually on the ends of an outdoor walkway considered “indoors" > because of cultural custom rather than physical access restriction (IE: > indoor shoes required). Not to be used on normal outdoor pathway entrances. Is this about entrance usage or about shoes? If it is about shoes, then this seems to matter more for the inter-building *path* than for the entrance itself. -nik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Dominik George wrote: > > Hi, > >> 1) >> Access=student - access designated for students of a school/facility, >> similar to customers of a shop or visitors of a facility. Does not imply >> age or gender, though it is used at mostly at K-12 facilities. For use >> with entrance=* or possibly with certain school amenities (Locker rooms, >> bathrooms, bicycle parking). > > Sounds useful, but somehow I see a way that people might forget about > the „designated“ part, using the tag for for entrances that may be used > by students *and* other personnel, which would make the entrance > essentially access=private instead. We’re talking about the entrances used by several million students every day. What would happen if we forgot about the "designated” nature access=customers? >> 2) >> entrance=inter-building - an entrance that is designated for only moving >> between buildings in a facility, even if physically accessible from >> outside. Usually on the ends of an outdoor walkway considered “indoors" >> because of cultural custom rather than physical access restriction (IE: >> indoor shoes required). Not to be used on normal outdoor pathway entrances. > > Is this about entrance usage or about shoes? If it is about shoes, then > this seems to matter more for the inter-building *path* than for the > entrance itself. I’m not saying about you need to have “inside shoes" on the path… cars drive over it. I’m saying that the entrance, though accessible from the driveway like the others, is not to be used except for inter-building foot traffic. This is because of a custom of separating inside-ouside, leading to extremely common walkways that are easily visible, mappable - and entrances that are accessible and visible, but you cannot use - until you have entered the structure. They are not one-way, as they are entrance/exits - once you start inside. besides schools, this happens in temples, hospitals, and other places. So these entrances are used by the same people - all the people - who just entered into entrance=yes or main - so putting entrance=yes+access=private seems wrong - so I’m looking for a way to tag a entrance as “yeah, you can use it after went through the entrance=yes/main” I guess I need a solution for the path access too - because access=private also seems an incorrect label - or would both be covered by access=inder-building ? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?
Hi, > I guess I need a solution for the path access too - because > access=private also seems an incorrect label - or would both be > covered by access=inder-building ? just out of curiosity, what would happen if you *did* use it as an entrance *before* using the main entrance? -nik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
Hi, quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for ways. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
Hi, > quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. > > What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for > ways. please be a bit more specific on what you mean. Do you mean… a) … a node on a way that is tagged as tunnel or bridge, or b) … a node that is itself tagged tunnel or bridge? Maybe link to an example on the map ☺. Cheers, Nik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Dominik George wrote: > > quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. > > > > What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for > > ways. > > please be a bit more specific on what you mean. Do you mean… > > a) … a node on a way that is tagged as tunnel or bridge, or > b) … a node that is itself tagged tunnel or bridge? > > Maybe link to an example on the map ☺. I believe b) would be the correct alternative. E.g., amenity=waste_basket, man_made?surveillance, highway=street_lamp or some such object that is on the bridge/tunnel rather than below it/on ground. -- i.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
>>> quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. >>> >>> What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for >>> ways. >> >> please be a bit more specific on what you mean. Do you mean… >> >> a) … a node on a way that is tagged as tunnel or bridge, or >> b) … a node that is itself tagged tunnel or bridge? >> >> Maybe link to an example on the map ☺. > > I believe b) would be the correct alternative. E.g., > amenity=waste_basket, man_made?surveillance, highway=street_lamp or some > such object that is on the bridge/tunnel rather than below it/on ground. Ah. You think the OP is talking about *real-world* objects and how to tag them. I was thinking they are talking about bugs in the map ;). (I don't tend to classify real-world objects as node-type when talking about them ;).) In that case, I believe the layer=* tag should be used instead, giving the object the same layer as the tunnel or bridge. -nik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dominik George wrote: > > Hi, > >> I guess I need a solution for the path access too - because >> access=private also seems an incorrect label - or would both be >> covered by access=inder-building ? > > just out of curiosity, what would happen if you *did* use it as an > entrance *before* using the main entrance? > Well, if it is an accident, the students would point at the other entrance, and you'd immediately start bowing and backing up and repeating how sorry you were, then go in the other door(s). If it were on purpose (aka - I don't need to go through the marked entrance and go through shoe ceremony), and you were a visitor or guest there, it would be as rude as umm... peeing in the kitchen sink at a house you're visiting, while the owner looks on disapprovingly - to some, it would be like pooping in the floor like an animal. As soon as you go in through the main entrance - where the ritual of removing your "outside shoes" is performed, and the visitor steps up onto the raised floor signifying the "inside" - then it's business as normal for as long as you are "inside" - you can go anywhere considered "inside" - along these inter-building pathways to go to any other building. Most Japanese people have a pair of "inside shoes" they use for when they go to visit a place (lets say for a school event or an event at a sports hall), and expect slippers to be provided at some places or situations, like the dentist, chiropractor, or stopping by to visit a teacher at school. My feet are big (30cm) - so no slipper fits me, so I walk around in my socks, which is probably worse in reality than my shoes, but the proper and expected thing to do to be "respectful". Beverage deliverymen who use the inter-building pathways to access vending machines directly (some schools have a couple hundred meters of it that connects many buildings, so there are vending machines along the path) - they bypass all the ceremony leave their outside shoes next to the (in my example) tile walkway or the door I'm trying to label, and complete the restocking job in socks, as that is their compromise to do the job ASAP, but still show their respect for the "inside". It is about the shoes somewhat, - but its brought about because you are properly "entering" and showing respect for the "inside" of the location - and that "showing respect for the inside" is the whole point - the shoes bit is a result of the "showing respect" goal. I hope that helps a bit. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?
Hi, > I hope that helps a bit. yeah, thanks for the detailed explanation. I learnt a lot about an exciting foreign culture today! As for the tagging, there definitely should be something, and on first glance, I do not see an issue with the access=inter_building idea. -nik signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
> Am 08.06.2015 um 13:29 schrieb Richard : > > What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for > ways. layer tags should match, but I don't see a problem in stating with attributes for nodes that they are in a tunnel or on a bridge just like we do for ways cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:57:52PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Ah. You think the OP is talking about *real-world* objects and how to > tag them. I was thinking they are talking about bugs in the map ;). yes, I was talking about real world objects that are represented as nodes in OSM > In that case, I believe the layer=* tag should be used instead, giving > the object the same layer as the tunnel or bridge. not such a good solution. For real-world-node-objects where the node is part of the tunnel/bridge way I think it can be expected that his node implicitly shares the tunnel +layer values. That leaves the problem with objects where the node is *not* part of the tunnel/bridge way such as a waste basket next to the way. Seems like in this case a relation is needed ? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] location=roof ?
Hi, someone added location=roof to the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:location&diff=1083742&oldid=997238 somehow this does not seem to fit well with the other values, what are the opinions on that? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Richard wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:57:52PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > > In that case, I believe the layer=* tag should be used instead, giving > > the object the same layer as the tunnel or bridge. > > not such a good solution. > > For real-world-node-objects where the node is part of the tunnel/bridge > way I think it can be expected that his node implicitly shares the tunnel > +layer values. > > That leaves the problem with objects where the node is *not* part of the > tunnel/bridge way such as a waste basket next to the way. > Seems like in this case a relation is needed ? Drawing bridge outlines (effectively drawing bridges as areas) would help you to make the connection without relations. Then only complex cases would need to depend on relation. -- i. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] location=roof ?
2015-06-08 14:39 GMT+02:00 Richard : > someone added location=roof to the wiki > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:location&diff=1083742&oldid=997238 > > somehow this does not seem to fit well with the other values, > what are the opinions on that? > can you explain where you see the problems? Looking at taginfo, roof seems one of the more used values with more then 2000 occurences: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/location#values Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency Seems a bit long and while it's the name of the agency in the UK it also describes what it does very well. Maybe without acency? Using + isn't a good idea, right? amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing Or is there a more general term so we could subtag this in case some countries don't combine it. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
On Mon Jun 8 15:48:01 2015 GMT+0100, Andreas Goss wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency > > Seems a bit long and while it's the name of the agency in the UK it also > describes what it does very well. Maybe without acency? Using + isn't a > good idea, right? > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing > > Or is there a more general term so we could subtag this in case some > countries don't combine it. > > __ > openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 > wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
On Mon, 2015-06-08 at 16:48 +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency > > Seems a bit long and while it's the name of the agency in the UK it also > describes what it does very well. Maybe without acency? Using + isn't a > good idea, right? > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing > > Or is there a more general term so we could subtag this in case some > countries don't combine it. Maybe something like: office=licensing licensing:vehicle=yes licensing:driver=yes In the US, they are not combined. In Texas, the driver licensing is a completely different office from motor vehicle registration. The individual states that require inspections for vehicles (the US equivalent of a MOT inspection) usually let individual repair shops (anything from oil change shops all the way up to full service garages) handle this. -- Shawn K. Quinn ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
On Mon Jun 8 15:48:01 2015 GMT+0100, Andreas Goss wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency > > Seems a bit long and while it's the name of the agency in the UK it also > describes what it does very well. Maybe without acency? Using + isn't a > good idea, right? > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing > > Or is there a more general term so we could subtag this in case some > countries don't combine it. > Sounds reasonable, there are local offices in the UK, or at least in GB. Or amenity=licensing, driver=yes, vehicle=yes. This could then expand for other things requiring a license, shotgun=yes? Phil (trigpoint ) -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:08 AM, wrote: > On Mon Jun 8 15:48:01 2015 GMT+0100, Andreas Goss wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles >> >> amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency I typically use office=government for this sort of thing. In Ontario there is "ServiceOntario" which is an office for renewing driver's licenses, health cards and other things in Ontario. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
Take a look at this example, the Galata Bridge in Istanbul, Turkey http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=galata%20bridge#map=19/41.02271/28.97477 The tunnels under the streets are lined with shops on both sides of a wide walkway. It's essentially a mall and all of it is underground. I added a few shops and added the layer=-1 tag to them but I am not sure how such shops should be rendered. GraphHopper can find them if you ask for a walking route to one of them but stumbles on the same route for a car. It leaves you on the roadway on top of the bridge nearest the shop, which is at least realistic if not practical. On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Richard wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:57:52PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > > > > In that case, I believe the layer=* tag should be used instead, giving > > > the object the same layer as the tunnel or bridge. > > > > not such a good solution. > > > > For real-world-node-objects where the node is part of the tunnel/bridge > > way I think it can be expected that his node implicitly shares the tunnel > > +layer values. > > > > That leaves the problem with objects where the node is *not* part of the > > tunnel/bridge way such as a waste basket next to the way. > > Seems like in this case a relation is needed ? > > Drawing bridge outlines (effectively drawing bridges as areas) would help > you to make the connection without relations. Then only complex cases > would need to depend on relation. > > > -- > i. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Grumble about empty "comments" on this list
If you want to comment about a message someone else posted, don't simply quote them without adding any comments of your own. We already know what they posted. Empty posts can happen by accident, but some participants of this list are in the habit of posting zero-content "comments" on a daily basis. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
Maybe something like: office=licensing licensing:vehicle=yes licensing:driver=yes I fell like long term that tag would completely blow up, considering you can get a license for almost everything. And this seems to be a very specific government institution in many countries. In the US, they are not combined. In Texas, the driver licensing is a completely different office from motor vehicle registration. Yeah, kinda expected that to be the case in some countries. The individual states that require inspections for vehicles (the US equivalent of a MOT inspection) usually let individual repair shops (anything from oil change shops all the way up to full service garages) handle this. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
Or amenity=licensing, driver=yes, vehicle=yes. This could then expand for other things requiring a license, shotgun=yes? Which I'm not sure is so great as it could expand endlessly. And there is also stuff like motorsport licenses etc. I typically use office=government for this sort of thing. In Ontario there is "ServiceOntario" which is an office for renewing driver's licenses, health cards and other things in Ontario. Government can just be anything, so I wouldn't put everything in there if it is something that is a very speficic agency in many countries, especially if it's something many people will be looking for. Also seems interesting to foreigners where it also helps when you have a special tag. I mean I guess it's fine in Canada when this agency offers a lot of different services. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
> Am 08.06.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > Seems a bit long and while it's the name of the agency in the UK it also > describes what it does very well. Maybe without acency? Using + isn't a good > idea, right? > > amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing > > Or is there a more general term so we could subtag this in case some > countries don't combine it. I believe we have a huge gap at tags for government agencies. We could start drafting a system with subtags, eg a tag that says a place is a government agency, a subtag for the administration level (eg municipal, regional, national, could maybe be the same as admin_level?), more subtags for the stuff you can do there (eg register your place of residence, or the birth of a child, request a passport, register a car, ...) AND/OR the class of agency (eg foreign affairs, tax agency, commerce chamber, ...) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
Am 08.06.2015 um 18:33 schrieb Andreas Goss : >>> This could then expand for other things requiring a license, shotgun=yes? > > Which I'm not sure is so great as it could expand endlessly. And there is > also stuff like motorsport licenses etc. +1, and the tagging with shotgun=yes is way too generic, if we should adopt this style I'd wish for tags like license:shotgun=yes or issues:license:shotgun=yes cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
On 2015-06-08 13:29, Richard wrote : Hi, quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for ways. In my mind: bridges are piece of concrete below the roads (tarmac) and hence should be tagged at level=-1 they should not split the road but be overlaid as in the real world, rendered with two stripes extending on both sides of the road, look at an aerial photo of a bridge; but it wouldn't hurt if the renderer decided to make it artificially more apparent they may have their own attributes, like a name, without overwriting those of the road tunnels are piece of concrete (or rocks) above the roads and hence should be tagged at level=+1, hiding roads they should not split the road but overlay them as in the real world, which does no prevent the renderer drawing the road as dotted lines streams and rivers repeatedly pass under bridges and culverts and there is no good reason to have them step up and down on each occasion they should be tagged at level=-2 full length culverts should be tagged at level=-1 I suspect that the reply to this will be 'NO, I've never seen anything like this'. But is that a good reason? With such answers, such things as (real) railways wouldn't exist. The correctness of an idea is often best indicated by the consequences. And the consequences regarding what you ask is that the objects, like waste bins, are not necessarily on the bridge or in the tunnel but can simply be on the road. Isn't that getting logical? But it would be possible to hang them on tunnel walls as tunnels shouldn't be ways but different objects (as another logical consequence). Avoiding splits, especially for streams and rivers, is a help for Nominatim to not show tiny pieces of ways (1). Note to Osmose: error message 4110 incorrectly states 'Long Waterway underground and no tunnel'. A waterway at level=-X is not underground, it's under what it crosses. Cheers André. (1) and the final step towards avoiding splits would be my OVERLAY aka SEGMENT proposition, but there's never been a reply to this message. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?
> Am 08.06.2015 um 19:10 schrieb André Pirard : > > In my mind:. level or layer? Usually you don't have to add layer tags to rivers and streams when they cross a bridge or a tunnel. Typically we do not map any bridges or tunnels explicitly but only state that something else like a road is on a bridge or in a tunnel (property/attribute). Does this clarify? cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations
I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). The tag self_service=yes is already used for gas stations, but some gas stations are both self serve and full serve and charge a higher price for full serve. Thus I think that self_service=no should not be used in the context of gas stations. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations
On Mon, 2015-06-08 at 13:49 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag > gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like > all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). > > The tag self_service=yes is already used for gas stations, but some > gas stations are both self serve and full serve and charge a higher > price for full serve. Thus I think that self_service=no should not be > used in the context of gas stations. I like the concept, but I think there may be a better way. amenity=fuel fuel:service=full fuel:service=self fuel:service=full;self -- Shawn K. Quinn ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 69, Issue 38
> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:48:56 +0200 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] location=roof ? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2015-06-08 14:39 GMT+02:00 Richard : > >> someone added location=roof to the wiki >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:location&diff=1083742&oldid=997238 >> >> somehow this does not seem to fit well with the other values, >> what are the opinions on that? >> > > > can you explain where you see the problems? Looking at taginfo, roof seems > one of the more used values with more then 2000 occurences: > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/location#values > > Cheers, > Martin All of the other values are generic. "Roof" identifies a specific object. If we open this up to specific objects, there could be an infinite number of possibilities for the key value. Mark ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
I believe we have a huge gap at tags for government agencies. We could start drafting a system with subtags, eg a tag that says a place is a government agency, a subtag for the administration level (eg municipal, regional, national, could maybe be the same as admin_level?), more subtags for the stuff you can do there (eg register your place of residence, or the birth of a child, request a passport, register a car, ...) AND/OR the class of agency (eg foreign affairs, tax agency, commerce chamber, ...) While I agree that there is a gap, I'm also not really sure where to start and what we are actually missing. I have been looking a bit at the categories of other services and that's where DMV caught my eyes. http://blumenthals.com/Google_LBC_Categories And in Germany for example pretty much all you listed apart from car registration is done in the townhall. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
On 08.06.2015 16:48, Andreas Goss wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency office=government name=Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency short_name=DVLA > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles office=government name=Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles short_name=Registry of Motor Vehicles -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
These are very specific government agencies. This may be a place where regionally specific tags work best. Maybe pretty it up with a namespace. office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:california=DMV office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:massachusetts=RMV name=Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles There's a whole set of assumptions about each type of goverment office that would be impossible to consistently capture with generic tags. Here the "Duck" of duck typing says call it by whatever it is known locally. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > There's a whole set of assumptions about each type of goverment office that > would be impossible to > consistently capture with generic tags. Here the "Duck" of duck typing says > call it by whatever it is known locally. > I think there is still an umbrella it can fit under, saying it is related to cars and licensing. A place that registers your car and a place that licenses you for driving may be a different facility (or combo), but the government office(s) that handles that can at least have some kind of tag to get put in some kind of group. government=motor_vehicle_admin or civic_admin=motor_vehicle We don’t assume the government is selling cars or car parts, and administration isn’t related to enforcement (tickets/impound), sales, nor maintenance, so it isn’t so ambiguous. and the name will tell the locals the rest. (Liscence Center, Automobile Registration center, Dept of Motor Vehecles, etc) Unless we want to get into the same subcategory system that shop=* should have, and we start documenting specific government facilities (which I wanted to do with civic_admin and landuse=civic). Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
