Re: restoring deleted files from dropbox

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Look in the folders .dropbox.cachewhere the "deleted"files still reside
for a time.
that folder is directly under your main drop box folder.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:59:54 -0700
net bat via Talk  wrote:

> i think you will need help.
> there web pages are very much mouse driven.
> https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/296
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jed Barton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:47 AM
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> Subject: restoring deleted files from dropbox
> 
> Hey guys.
> Has anyone been successful restoring files to dropbox that have been
> deleted?
> I can not figure out how to do it.  Each file is not showing up as a link.
> It looks like there is no way to do it.
> 
> Any ideas?
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Re: sound forge

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
can be used.
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:01:21 -0400
William Vandervest via Talk  wrote:

> can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are any 
> compatibility issues with w e?
> thanks 
> 
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Re: sound forge

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Hi all

Yes Curtis, I have Soundforge Pro 11.0, and it works pretty well.  You can 
access
the alternative equalisers via the Process menu, and only occasionally
do I have to alter the presets provided.

As has been said, the noise reduction tool is very useful, and the
ability to capture a noise print for specific situations is quite easy,
and fairly effective before the original signal starts to sound phasey
if you apply reduction too many times.

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 31 May 2016 00:35:21 -0700
Curtis Delzer via Talk  wrote:

> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> can be used.
> -- 
> Curtis Delzer 
> 
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:01:21 -0400
> William Vandervest via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are 
> > any compatibility issues with w e?
> > thanks 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > timelor...@comcast.net
> > 
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Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.


I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
made me a whiz with the mouse.


If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
for you. (grin)


Regards,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
can be used.


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Re: tipple talk usb

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Speaking of windows 7, I have my updates to install updates audomatically. 
I haven't received a update since the beginning of last month?  Does anyone 
have any ideas why this is?


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:52 AM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: tipple talk usb

Hi Rod:

I am running a Windows 7 Machine which keeps nagging me to upgrade to
Windows 10 and, asside from some frustrating slowness when I first
boot up, I have not had any problems with the way Windows 7 is
working.  I just close the Window which comes up to remind me to
upgrade to Windows 7.  I hope that I am not speaking too soon. (grin)
Anyway, if I do want to upgrade, I will get a sighted person to do
that for me.
I'm getting a little too old to be a dare-devil.  (smile)

Kevin Huber

On 5/29/16, Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

Hi Curtis,

If you're running Windows 7, as am I on one of my machines, you might find
that, within a day or so, it will start working again.
I say this because, the day before yesterday, my PC was displaying
sluggishness when receiving infrared signals from my remote control.
This happened one day, for no apparent reason, it lasted aday or two, and
then it suddenly began working properly again.
I made no change to the driver for my serial port adaptor where the
infrared
receiver is plugged in.
So, why on one day it stopped working and then began working a couple of
days later, I can't no for sure.
I'm not taken to paranoid suspicion, but could it be that Microsoft is up
to
something?
I've had this PC for over 5 years now, and, with Windows 10 being 
advocated

so strongly, is it a coincidence that my old Windows 7 machine is acting
up.
It makes me wonder. Smile

Supportively,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:50 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: tipple talk usb

update, I uninstalled and re-installed and got this.
Windows encountered a problem installing the driver software for your
device
Search automatically for updated driver software Windows will search your
computer and the Internet for the latest driver software for your device,
unless you've disabled this feature in your device installation settings.
Browse my computer for driver software
Locate and install driver software manually.
Search for driver software in this location:
C:\tt64
Browse...
Include subfolders
Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer This list will
show
installed driver software compatible with the device, and all driver
software in the same category as the device.
Windows found driver software for your device but encountered an error
while
attempting to install it.
Access Solutions TripleTalk USB
A problem was encountered while attempting to add the driver to the store.
If you know the manufacturer of your device, you can visit its website and
check the support section for driver software.

so . . . HELP!
--
Curtis Delzer 

On Sun, 29 May 2016 11:14:50 -0700
Curtis Delzer via Talk  wrote:


mine, stopped working, out of the blue! and, according to the update
tipple talk software, "the driver can't be found." I look in device
manager of windows ten and there it is, fine. so, anyone know what
could be next?

--
Curtis Delzer 

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RE: anti virus

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Why not get a switch with multiple Ethernet ports.  5 would be good enough.
Make sure the switch as a switch.
I have a 16 port tp-link that has a switch and to shut off the ports just flip 
the switch.
Hope this makes sense with all the switches. LOL.
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 10:31 PM
To: Window Eyes 
Subject: anti virus

Hi,

Using WE 10 64 bit and latest WE.


Has anyone got any suggestions for a speech friendly anti virus 
programme with firewall which can be used to stop or allow traffic?


For years I have used Vipre Internet Security for these functions but 
the past few versions have been just about impossible to use with 
speech.  Particularly if  it comes up with files which it thinks  could 
be a virus. Seeing Defender, shortly after a clean install of W10, did 
not find anything,these were more than likely false positives.


Someone on this list did send me a link to an earlier speech friendly 
version of the Vipre interface but, although it worked well under W7 32 
bit, would not install under W10 64 bit. The update nag screens were 
getting to be rather annoying though.

Also, does anyone know of some sort of hardware switch or device which 
could be employed to stop or allow the traffic travelling along the 
cable between the modem and the desktop when required?  i.e. Both the 
computer and modem could be left running but the desktop would be 
isolated from the modem and hence the net.  The wireless part of the 
modem would be still functional but the computer would be off line.



Thanks
Neville.

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RE: sound forge

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom, and perhaps others might have some insight as well,

Have you heard of any kind of simple software or hardware solution to
controlg the maximum output volume of the sound coming from a Windows
speaker jack.
I have my cable TV box plugged into my PC line-in jack, and I play music
with often very different track volumes.
I do have a volume normalizer Plug-in for Winamp, but this doesn't control
other volumes which may come out of the PC speaker.
Ideally, it would be great to be able to set a certain volume level and know
for certain that my PC would never produce any sound louder than what I had
set.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people say
the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, and now
11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking about. The only
thing that is truly not accessible are all the new Izotope plug-ins because
they're all big pretty pictures. Although they have good presets and at
least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And I'm pretty sure they could be
scripted. The only problem is it would require a lot of sighted help to get
the layout of the images in order to write scalable algorithms to work with
different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal mistake
of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no return
disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to it because I
know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's made me a whiz
with the mouse.

If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing for
you. (grin)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions 
> can be used.
>
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RE: sound forge

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Reg,

I am interested in understanding the equalizer business better.  Which
version of Sound Forge are you using?  I have noticed the equalizer issue
with versions 10 and 11, although, as I have said, I am able to click  the
10-band option and then it works as before.  I did not need to do this at
all with older versions, though.  Now that I think about it, though,
possibly it remembers what I used last as I have just assumed I needed to
click 10-band each time.  I'll have to check that.

Also, some Sound Forge effects like the Wave Hammer seem only to be
adjustable with the graphical Envelop approach.  One can control compression
with a parameter, but I have not found a way to create an expansion effect
except by using one of the presets.  I am not aware of any of the other
programs that allows one to control expansion with parameters, either,
though.  In the old days, I felt I could manage pretty much everything with
Cool Edit which became Adobe Audition, and even through Audition 1.5, I
managed pretty well.  They changed their display method with version 2.0,
though, and much of the display no longer read correctly.  However, over
time since then, they have exposed more data with MSAA or UIA, and I know
there was a Window-Eyes app that that helped quite a bit.  When I have tried
their demos, though, I found gaps that I did not take the time to pursue,
but it would be interesting to know if anyone has much experience with the
latest versions of that product with Window-Eyes.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 7:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve and all

Interestingly, my experience is somewhat different, in that the Equaliser
reads exactly like all the other dialogues in Soundforge Pro, and that
continues to be true with Windows7 and W-
E 9.4.  I haven't yet tried Windows10.

So, as usual with Windows, personal experience may vary.
-- 

Reg


On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:38:22 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> I agree with Lloyd Rassmussen's assessment.  However, it is really hard to
> answer your question accurately without knowing more about why you are
> choosing Sound Forge.  I use Sound Forge because I bought it a long time
ago
> and got pretty used to some of the areas that are not that easy to use.  I
> like its noise reduction tool and feel I can get the results I want more
> easily than I have managed with other programs.  If you are just starting
> out, though, I'm not sure you would not find less frustration with Gold
Wave
> or perhaps Audacity.  I understand there is pretty good editing with Total
> Recorder as well.  
> 
> If you get the full version of Sound Forge rather than the studio version,
> you have to use the mouse pointer to choose the version of the equalizer
you
> want to use once you have opened the dialog.  Once you do that, choosing a
> multi-band option instead of an envelope format, it works as Lloyd
> describes.  You can also get values for some of Sound Forge's controls by
> turning Speak All on, but you get a lot of extra chatter.  I am sure there
> are likely other areas I find challenging that someone has found a way
> around, though.  Still, since I am as used to Sound Forge as I am, I have
> not found it worth switching to anything else.  Like many programs, it is
> not possible to flatly say it is accessible or it is not, it depends upon
> what features you use and also what your comfort level is using the mouse
> keys.  There is a lot of keyboard control, though, and a lot you can do if
> you take the time to learn how it works.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of William Vandervest via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: sound forge
> 
> can someone please tell me how accessible sound forge is and if there are
> any compatibility issues with w e?
> thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> timelor...@comcast.net
> 
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RE: sound forge

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tom,

Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
made me a whiz with the mouse.

If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
for you. (grin)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> can be used.
>
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Re: sound forge

[Reg Webb via Talk]

This doesn't help, but it's reassuring that others have this problem
with markers too.  My sighted wife, who has no experience with this
stuff, tells me it just looks as if nothing is selected, so what happens
to the marker commands?  Yes, being able to clear them would be a great
start.

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 31 May 2016 10:05:24 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
> 
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
> 
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
> 
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
> for you. (grin)
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> > Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> > can be used.
> >
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RE: sound forge

[Steve Clower via Talk]

I don't know if this would be of any help with 11, but in SF 7 (yes, still 
using it), I move to the end of what Forge believes to be selected with the End 
key and right Arrow one time. That clears the markers. This assumes there is 
data after the selection end point.

HTH,
Steve



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: sound forge

This doesn't help, but it's reassuring that others have this problem
with markers too.  My sighted wife, who has no experience with this
stuff, tells me it just looks as if nothing is selected, so what happens
to the marker commands?  Yes, being able to clear them would be a great
start.

-- 
Reg


On Tue, 31 May 2016 10:05:24 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
> 
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
> 
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
> 
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
> for you. (grin)
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> > Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> > can be used.
> >
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Re: sound forge

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I'd just say move cursor once, use, i, and o, of course, :) (use to be
left and right bracket years ago) and it should not stick, except from
the end of document.
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Tue, 31 May 2016 10:05:24 -0500
Steve Jacobson via Talk  wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
> 
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people 
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, 
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking 
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new 
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they 
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And 
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would 
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order 
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
> 
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal 
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no 
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to 
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's 
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
> 
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing 
> for you. (grin)
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> > Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
> > can be used.
> >
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Alert

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Every now and then, I get an alert on my screen with buttons to take action or 
ignopre. I am using Esset Smart Security 8, Windows 7 64-bit Pro, and Malware 
Bytes. I think the alert is coming from Esset. However, I can’t get any options 
to display when I click on the Take Action button. Right-clicking it doesn’t do 
anything, either. As far as I know, nothing happens. I believe it started after 
I downloaded the latest version of WinZip. Any thoughts? I also have WE 9.4.
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RE: like jaws insert-f10?

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Here is a weird way to do it.
Turn on the insert key layout with alt-control-0.
Press insert-f10.
Turn off insert key layout with alt-control-0 again.
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On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 2:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi all! There is one command in JFW which I find extremely valuable here
in windows ten, and that is the "jaws key, f10" command which gives the
list of windows showing, but often, in windows ten, there are hidden
windows by which cannot be reached easily by hitting alt-tab too and
from. :)
Is there a script which is available which can be downloaded which
simulates or perhaps does better this "listing of the windows" command
and then gives the ability to "close" them?
I've found things which are behind the "alt-tab" windows which seem to
make my computer more "snappy" if I close them using that jaws key f10
window list.

-- 
Curtis Delzer 

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Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hey Rod,

Sorry but I'm not aware of anything that will do what you're looking 
for. A normalizer is the trick. But I assume your cable box output is 
just looping through your soundcard and going right back out the output.


There are all kinds of limiter/compressor/expander/normalizer boxes out 
there. But I'm only familiar with pro gear and wouldn't have a clue 
where to look for what you want. Perhaps a hi-fi shop or one of the 
monster stores that sell computers and home entertainment gear.


Finally, you say you want to control the maximum volume output. This is 
the job of a limiter. But I'm guessing what you really want is a 
normalizer so that everything is about the same average (RMS) level. I'd 
probably start by asking Uncle Google. As I said, I assume your in and 
out is just looping through your soundcard rather than playing through 
any kind of media player. So unless there's some way of inserting a 
program into that loop finding an external hardware solution would be 
your only option.


Good luck,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 10:43 AM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Hi Tom, and perhaps others might have some insight as well,

Have you heard of any kind of simple software or hardware solution to
controlg the maximum output volume of the sound coming from a Windows
speaker jack.
I have my cable TV box plugged into my PC line-in jack, and I play music
with often very different track volumes.
I do have a volume normalizer Plug-in for Winamp, but this doesn't control
other volumes which may come out of the PC speaker.
Ideally, it would be great to be able to set a certain volume level and know
for certain that my PC would never produce any sound louder than what I had
set.

Thanks,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people say
the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10, and now
11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking about. The only
thing that is truly not accessible are all the new Izotope plug-ins because
they're all big pretty pictures. Although they have good presets and at
least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And I'm pretty sure they could be
scripted. The only problem is it would require a lot of sighted help to get
the layout of the images in order to write scalable algorithms to work with
different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal mistake
of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no return
disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to it because I
know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's made me a whiz
with the mouse.

If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing for
you. (grin)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
can be used.


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Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Steve,

I never use the graphic EQ. So I have no comment on that.
But regarding the Wave Hammer? It has only a compressor and maximizer. 
For an expander go to Effects, Noise gate.


Hth,
Tom




On 5/31/2016 10:48 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Reg,

I am interested in understanding the equalizer business better.  Which
version of Sound Forge are you using?  I have noticed the equalizer issue
with versions 10 and 11, although, as I have said, I am able to click  the
10-band option and then it works as before.  I did not need to do this at
all with older versions, though.  Now that I think about it, though,
possibly it remembers what I used last as I have just assumed I needed to
click 10-band each time.  I'll have to check that.

Also, some Sound Forge effects like the Wave Hammer seem only to be
adjustable with the graphical Envelop approach.  One can control compression
with a parameter, but I have not found a way to create an expansion effect
except by using one of the presets.  I am not aware of any of the other
programs that allows one to control expansion with parameters, either,
though.  In the old days, I felt I could manage pretty much everything with
Cool Edit which became Adobe Audition, and even through Audition 1.5, I
managed pretty well.  They changed their display method with version 2.0,
though, and much of the display no longer read correctly.  However, over
time since then, they have exposed more data with MSAA or UIA, and I know
there was a Window-Eyes app that that helped quite a bit.  When I have tried
their demos, though, I found gaps that I did not take the time to pursue,
but it would be interesting to know if anyone has much experience with the
latest versions of that product with Window-Eyes.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Behalf Of Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 7:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve and all

Interestingly, my experience is somewhat different, in that the Equaliser
reads exactly like all the other dialogues in Soundforge Pro, and that
continues to be true with Windows7 and W-
E 9.4.  I haven't yet tried Windows10.

So, as usual with Windows, personal experience may vary.


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Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Steve,

I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I 
don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points 
the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new 
in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too 
complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I 
started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker 
to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R 
Regions, L clear all.


Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10,
and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking
about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new
Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they
have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And
I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would
require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order
to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal
mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no
return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to
it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's
made me a whiz with the mouse.

If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing
for you. (grin)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
can be used.


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RE: like jaws insert-f10?

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

Hi Chris,
I'm just curious.  I have a question about the insert-F10.  I tried to
research it when the topic was raised on the list to see exactly what it
did, but all the JAWS list of keystrokes on their website said was
"Windows List,"
And a tutorial on JAWS presented it as an alternative to Alt-Tab and
Windows-Tab.
When I followed your instructions and brought up the list, one was for
Windows Settings, and another was for Groove Music, which was not open.  
Neither of these showed up in the Alt rotor, nor in Task View.
I'm not a JAWS user, and by choice, have only Window-Eyes, but I'm curious
about this menu that the Insert-F10 brings up. It showed Window-Eyes, a
running program, and Outlook, running as well.  It also showed the Kurzweil
Appointment Calendar, probably running in the background in case there's a
reminder pending. Groove seems to open by default to play my music, though I
seem to remember choosing Windows Media as the default player.  I can choose
it through the context menu, and have been listening, comparing the two.
Windows Media Player seems slightly muted compared to Groove, so I've left
the default player as Groove.  But again, Groove was not open, nor was
Settings.  So what does the Insert-F10 key do, since there seems to be a
mixture of things running and things not.  
Curtis, I think his name was, stated that he used the Insert-F10 as a way to
access invisible windows, and to close programs that were slowing down his
computer? Is this Just JAWS' way of giving users another way to get to
useful programs? There are umpteen ways to bring up settings, and the
Kurzweil calendar too.  So far, I haven't figured out if I can use Groove to
rip CDs, and would use the Start Menu to get to it if I could.  
I just brought up the list again, and this time, Settings and Groove are
missing.  So what's the purpose?  Smile.
Rebecca Lineberger
Windows 10, Window-Eyes 9.4  

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:50 PM
To: Curtis Delzer; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: like jaws insert-f10?

Here is a weird way to do it.
Turn on the insert key layout with alt-control-0.
Press insert-f10.
Turn off insert key layout with alt-control-0 again.
Chris


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 2:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi all! There is one command in JFW which I find extremely valuable here
in windows ten, and that is the "jaws key, f10" command which gives the
list of windows showing, but often, in windows ten, there are hidden
windows by which cannot be reached easily by hitting alt-tab too and
from. :)
Is there a script which is available which can be downloaded which
simulates or perhaps does better this "listing of the windows" command
and then gives the ability to "close" them?
I've found things which are behind the "alt-tab" windows which seem to
make my computer more "snappy" if I close them using that jaws key f10
window list.

-- 
Curtis Delzer 

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RE: Microsoft Speech Annoyance

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
That is the synthesizer doing that and nothing can be done on Window-eyes.
For the record NVDA does the same thing with platform.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dan Rathburn via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 12:48 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Microsoft Speech Annoyance


Hello,

I'm using the Microsoft Speech Platform with the U.S. English voice, WE 9.4 
and Windows 7 HP.  The problem is that it expands abreviations to whole 
words even when it's not appropriate.  For example, instead of saying 
"Wizard of OZ" it says "Wizard of Ounce" or the word "miss" is pronounced 
"Mississippi" regrardless of the context.  I've played with the settings in 
the Screen tab in the WE control panel but nothing helps.  Is there a fix or 
is it a limitation of the synthesizer?

For those in the U.S., have a good Memorial Day weekend.

Thanks,

Dan
 

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RE: Frustration with email in Outlook

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Karen,
I am also using Outlook 2010.  At work I, too, often want to save a message.  
If I am in the list of my messages, I arrow to the message I want to save, hit 
Control C to copy, then move to the folder on my computer where I want to save 
it.  I then hit Control V to paste it.  The message is placed there with the 
file extension of .msg.  Even if I close Outlook, I can still open the message 
by clicking on it where I saved it.  It's really that simple.  I hope this will 
work for you.




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On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 6:32 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Frustration with email in Outlook

Having used Outlook for email, for almost 2 years, I'm finding it really 
frustrating.  I liked Outlook Express with Windows XP so much better!  I'm 
currently using Windows 10. 

 

I often want to save messages to my Documents folder.  In O E, this was no 
problem.  But when I save them in Outlook, some really annoying things happen.  

 

1)  When I open the message in Documents, it rarely reads correctly, and when 
it does, it's usually because Outlook has placed another file in Documents, 
with the same message name.  If I delete that file, the message doesn't read.

2)  When I open the message in Documents, the same message reappears in the 
Outlook message list.  This is even true of old messages which I had deleted 
from Outlook

 

I've tried copying and pasting into a Word document, which works ok, but many 
times there is a link I'm wanting to save, and the copy and paste does not 
preserve the link.

 

Is there a solution for this problem?

 

Is there another email program that works in Windows 10, that looks and feels 
more like Outlook Express?

 

Thanks.

 

Karen Poulakos

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Re: sound forge

[Crabb, Nolan via Talk]

I’m using Sound Forge 10 nearly every day for different tasks, and it works 
wonderfully for me with WE in Windows 10.

Nolan

Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion
Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
Columbus, OH 43210

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RE: like jaws insert-f10?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Chris,

I would like to study the code for this functionality, if AI Squared is
willing to make it available, so that I could incorporate it into a separate
app.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:50 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: like jaws insert-f10?

Here is a weird way to do it.
Turn on the insert key layout with alt-control-0.
Press insert-f10.
Turn off insert key layout with alt-control-0 again.
Chris


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Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 2:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: like jaws insert-f10?

Hi all! There is one command in JFW which I find extremely valuable here in
windows ten, and that is the "jaws key, f10" command which gives the list of
windows showing, but often, in windows ten, there are hidden windows by
which cannot be reached easily by hitting alt-tab too and from. :) Is there
a script which is available which can be downloaded which simulates or
perhaps does better this "listing of the windows" command and then gives the
ability to "close" them?
I've found things which are behind the "alt-tab" windows which seem to make
my computer more "snappy" if I close them using that jaws key f10 window
list.

--
Curtis Delzer 

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outlook 2016

[Bob via Talk]

Is outlook accessabable with the latest version os wineyes.
I have to move from outlook 2003
Any help welcome.
Many thanks Robin.



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RE: outlook 2016

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Yes, Outlook is accessible with Window-eyes.  I am using Outlook 2016 with
Window-eyes 9.4.  If anyone else wishes to provide information about using
Outlook 2016 with Window-eyes because they can provide helpful information,
please chime in, smile.  

Mike M. 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:09 PM
To: 'Curtis Delzer' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: outlook 2016

Is outlook accessabable with the latest version os wineyes.
I have to move from outlook 2003
Any help welcome.
Many thanks Robin.



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RE: sound forge

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tom,

I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong about 
which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to achieve a 
two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded recording.  I had to 
add equalization as well, of course.  

Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it with 
CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" and "o" 
is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One could, of 
course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the equivalent 
feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I have some trouble 
answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what one wants to do, 
I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting out.  However, I 
agree with you and others that one can't say it is not accessible.  Since I've 
been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough worse to make it worth 
switching to something else.  Since something as basic as selecting text with 
"I" and "o" would likely have been corrected if it were a bug, I suspect there 
is some reason that they do not work reliably for me having
  to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
workaround that I'll try.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


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From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I 
don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points 
the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new 
in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too 
complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I 
started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker 
to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R 
Regions, L clear all.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
> say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10,
> and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking
> about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new
> Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they
> have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And
> I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would
> require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order
> to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.
>
> I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal
> mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no
> return disaster. I should have known better. I've never gotten back to
> it because I know all the interfaces inside out and backwards. So it's
> made me a whiz with the mouse.
>
> If anyone has a million bucks to donate to the cause I'll make it sing
> for you. (grin)
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 3:35 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> Sound forge 8 is still the most accessible, though the later versions
>> can be used.
>>
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Re: Alert

[net bat via Talk]

do you have the use of graphics turned off?
open the eset screen then press f5 for the setup screen and look for use of 
graphics and turn them off.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Alert

Every now and then, I get an alert on my screen with buttons to take action or 
ignopre. I am using Esset Smart Security 8, Windows 7 64-bit Pro, and Malware 
Bytes. I think the alert is coming from Esset. However, I can’t get any options 
to display when I click on the Take Action button. Right-clicking it doesn’t do 
anything, either. As far as I know, nothing happens. I believe it started after 
I downloaded the latest version of WinZip. Any thoughts? I also have WE 9.4.

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RE: outlook 2016

[Jim Williamson via Talk]

Bob,
I made the switch from Outlook 2003 to 2016 and have been fighting
with 3 months.  In my opinion the 2016 version which I am running on
Windows 7 64 bit stinks.  Might be better when MS decides to fix it.
I recommend sticking with 2003 to keep your blood pressure down.

Jim


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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:09 PM
To: 'Curtis Delzer' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: outlook 2016

Is outlook accessabable with the latest version os wineyes.
I have to move from outlook 2003
Any help welcome.
Many thanks Robin.



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RE: outlook 2016

[Iaen Cordell via Talk]

Yes outlook 2016 works well with window-eyes 9.4, as you are going from 2003
to 2016 you will have to get use to the ribbon method that replaces the pull
down menu system.
Cheers
IC

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Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 6:14 AM
To: 'Bob' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: outlook 2016

Yes, Outlook is accessible with Window-eyes.  I am using Outlook 2016 with
Window-eyes 9.4.  If anyone else wishes to provide information about using
Outlook 2016 with Window-eyes because they can provide helpful information,
please chime in, smile.  

Mike M. 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:09 PM
To: 'Curtis Delzer' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: outlook 2016

Is outlook accessabable with the latest version os wineyes.
I have to move from outlook 2003
Any help welcome.
Many thanks Robin.



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Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Steve,

Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.

The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same 
thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in 
point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from 
the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite 
right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either 
direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers 
right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the 
marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also 
preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else 
fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've 
got spaghetti for dinner.


Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong about 
which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to achieve a 
two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded recording.  I had to 
add equalization as well, of course.

Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to delete an area, I could mark the 
beginninning and end, and then select it with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using 
"I" and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One could, of course, 
go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example 
of why I have some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what one wants to do, I am not so 
sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is 
not accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough worse to make it worth switching to 
something else.  Since something as basic as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been 
corrected if it were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work reliably for me havi

ng

  to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
workaround that I'll try.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new
in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too
complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I
started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker
to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R
Regions, L clear all.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
say the same about accessibility: it got worse after 8. But I ran 9, 10,
and now 11 Pro and to be honest I never knew what they were talking
about. The only thing that is truly not accessible are all the new
Izotope plug-ins because they're all big pretty pictures. Although they
have good presets and at least the wet/dry mix can be controlled. And
I'm pretty sure they could be scripted. The only problem is it would
require a lot of sighted help to get the layout of the images in order
to write scalable algorithms to work with different resolutions.

I started scripting it years ago. but unfortunately I made the fatal
mistake of using MSAA, which eventually turned out to be a point of no
return disaster. I shoul

RE: sound forge

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tom,

I was not aware one could nudge the markers, but it makes sense as one is just 
extending the selection area.  Perhaps I need to explore how one can adjust the 
Noise Gate as well, but I didn't think I could get to where I wanted to go with 
that.  Thanks for the info.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.

The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same 
thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in 
point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from 
the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite 
right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either 
direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers 
right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the 
marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also 
preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else 
fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've 
got spaghetti for dinner.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong 
> about which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to 
> achieve a two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded 
> recording.  I had to add equalization as well, of course.
>
> Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
> delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it 
> with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" 
> and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One 
> could, of course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the 
> equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I have 
> some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what 
> one wants to do, I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting 
> out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is not 
> accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough 
> worse to make it worth switching to something else.  Since something as basic 
> as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been corrected if it 
> were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work reliably for 
> me havi
 ng
>   to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
> workaround that I'll try.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> Steve,
>
> I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
> don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
> the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new
> in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too
> complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I
> started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker
> to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R
> Regions, L clear all.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
>> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
>> still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
>> selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
>> happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
>> selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
>> selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
>> Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
>> feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
>> the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
>> through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
>> To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: sound forge
>>
>> I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
>> say the same about accessibility: it got

Re: sound forge

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Oops. Sorry, Steve. The noise gate is not an expander. I must have been 
dreaming. I'll have to ponder and look around when I have more time.


Tom


On 5/31/2016 5:07 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

I was not aware one could nudge the markers, but it makes sense as one is just 
extending the selection area.  Perhaps I need to explore how one can adjust the 
Noise Gate as well, but I didn't think I could get to where I wanted to go with 
that.  Thanks for the info.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.

The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same
thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in
point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from
the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite
right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either
direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers
right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the
marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also
preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else
fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've
got spaghetti for dinner.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong about 
which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to achieve a 
two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded recording.  I had to 
add equalization as well, of course.

Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to delete an area, I could mark the 
beginninning and end, and then select it with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using 
"I" and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One could, of course, 
go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example 
of why I have some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon what one wants to do, I am not so 
sure Sound Forge is the best choice for starting out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is 
not accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten enough worse to make it worth switching to 
something else.  Since something as basic as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been 
corrected if it were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work reliably for me hav

i

 ng

  to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
workaround that I'll try.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Steve,

I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new
in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too
complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I
started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker
to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R
Regions, L clear all.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in Sound Forge 7 I am
still able to use with Sound Forge 11.  I do occasionally have trouble when
selecting a segment, though, but I think this is likely due to something
happening that I don't understand.  I find that an end point from a previous
selection seems to stick.  Have you found a sure fire way to clear previous
selection endpoints?  This is something I did not experience before Sound
Forge 10, but I suspect what I am trying to do is being affected by a new
feature of which I am not aware.  Sometimes I press "I" at a new point but
the old start point does not move when I play the selection.  I have looked
through the help topics and have not found anything that obviously relates.
Any thoughts?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:13 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: sound forge

I've been using Sound forge since version 7 and have heard many people
say the same about acces

I new in window-eyes

[Liel Bensimonליאל בן סימון‬‎ via Talk]

Hello to all! i am new in window-eyes, i happyppy to hear your nolage about 
window-ees, I try this, but i not do annything rite now, because i not sure if 
does to use Window-Ees.
what important to me that braille support, writeing and reading braille. I have 
a VarioUltra and in hebrew version i need install braille server to use in this 
braille display. this version rite know is 9.2. thans to all for yours 
suggestions.

Sent from  my iphone
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RE: outlook 2016

[Charles Short via Talk]

Hello Robin, yes Window-Eyes is accessible with outlook 2016 and works very
well. ...I'd highly recommend it.


Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bob via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:09 PM
To: 'Curtis Delzer' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: outlook 2016

Is outlook accessabable with the latest version os wineyes.
I have to move from outlook 2003
Any help welcome.
Many thanks Robin.



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RE: sound forge

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tom,

Well, I'll trade you oops's.  The effect I used to perform expansion was the 
graphic pulldown in the Dynamics item, not the Wave Hammer, so you were right.  
It actually has a noise gate preset as well.  One can think of a noise gate as 
very sharp expansion, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that a noise 
gate could be adjusted if the parameters were exposed to the user.  Anyway, in 
the Graphic Dynamic dialog, you can control compression so you can exercise 
some control over the graph.  However, you cannot specify a compression ratio 
less than 1, which would cause expansion.  Anyway, thanks for the tips.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:33 PM
To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: sound forge

Oops. Sorry, Steve. The noise gate is not an expander. I must have been 
dreaming. I'll have to ponder and look around when I have more time.

Tom


On 5/31/2016 5:07 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I was not aware one could nudge the markers, but it makes sense as one is 
> just extending the selection area.  Perhaps I need to explore how one can 
> adjust the Noise Gate as well, but I didn't think I could get to where I 
> wanted to go with that.  Thanks for the info.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: sound forge
>
> Steve,
>
> Yes, the Dynamics use graphs while the Noise gate is a simple expander.
>
> The I and O in and out points are just markers. You can do the same
> thing with markers you insert with M. For example, press M for the in
> point and again for the out point. Now Control-Shift-Left to select from
> the out to the in point. Space bar to preview. If either isn't quite
> right then move to it with Control-Left/Right and nudge it in either
> direction with Shift-Left/Right. Alternatively you can check the markers
> right after inserting them with Control-Shift-K which plays up to the
> marker. And after making your selection and previewing it you can also
> preview a cut without making it. Just hit Control-K. Or if all else
> fails toss this message into a pot of boiling water and voila! you've
> got spaghetti for dinner.
>
> Hth,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/31/2016 4:26 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> I did manage a two to one expansion using a graph, but perhaps I am wrong 
>> about which feature I used.  I'll look when I get home.  I was trying to 
>> achieve a two to one expansion to approximate decoding a DBX encoded 
>> recording.  I had to add equalization as well, of course.
>>
>> Regarding the marking of audio, Let me be sure I understand.  If I want to 
>> delete an area, I could mark the beginninning and end, and then select it 
>> with CONTROL-SHIFT ARROWS and then DELETE?  The nice thing about using "I" 
>> and "o" is that you can nudge each end if you don't get it just right.  One 
>> could, of course, go into the markers list and adjust the time, but the 
>> equivalent feature in Gold Wave works fine.  This is an example of why I 
>> have some trouble answering the question of accessibility.  Depending upon 
>> what one wants to do, I am not so sure Sound Forge is the best choice for 
>> starting out.  However, I agree with you and others that one can't say it is 
>> not accessible.  Since I've been using it a long time, it has not gotten 
>> enough worse to make it worth switching to something else.  Since something 
>> as basic as selecting text with "I" and "o" would likely have been corrected 
>> if it were a bug, I suspect there is some reason that they do not work 
>> reliably for me hav
 i
>  ng
>>   to do with some other feature, but using markers as you describe is a good 
>> workaround that I'll try.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: Steve Jacobson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: sound forge
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I gave up on using I and O for in and out points a long time ago. I
>> don't know if it's still the case but when I set an in and out points
>> the first time it worked fine. The problem was when I went to set a new
>> in point that was beyond the existing out point. That was too
>> complicated a request. Dear Mr. Spock said it was highly illogical. So I
>> started using markers. Just hit M. Control-Left/Right move from marker
>> to marker. And when you want to clear them all just Alt-E Edit, R
>> Regions, L clear all.
>>
>> Hth,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2016 11:05 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> Other than my possibly irrelevant observation regarding choosing the
>>> equalizer, I would agree with you.  Everything I used in S

RE: I new in window-eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello.  At the moment, Window-Eyes is sort of behind on braille support. What I 
mean is that it lacks grade 2 contracted braille input but I think the braille 
support is being worked on as we speak and I think that grade 2 input in 
contracted braille in Window-Eyes is coming soon. I use Window-Eyes with speech 
and don't use the braille features as I have a focus 40 braille display.

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Re: I new in window-eyes

[Liel Bensimonליאל בן סימון‬‎ via Talk]

Ok, thanks, i not use in grade 1 2 or contracted braille. in hebrew there is no 
contracted braille, just 6 or 8 dots braille uncontracted. how windowEyes does 
support in typing braille on a braille keybord?

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-1 ביוני 2016, בשעה 5:55, ‏‏Sky Mundell ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> -Eyes is sort of behind
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RE: I new in window-eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

This might mean that you can enter Hebrew in braille without any real effort.  
Don't know if Window-eyes itself supports Hebrew, whether it relies on 
Microsoft or in general - how multilingual versions work.  Could be exciting 
though!

Vaughan.



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Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 3:18 p.m.
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Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I new in window-eyes

Ok, thanks, i not use in grade 1 2 or contracted braille. in hebrew there is no 
contracted braille, just 6 or 8 dots braille uncontracted. how windowEyes does 
support in typing braille on a braille keybord?

Sent from  my iphone

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> -Eyes is sort of behind
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