Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

In general i know Henk as a reasonable man,

and I know he is in politics in the Netherlands

so she should knew better then referencing to this 

would-be-dictator Pierens Doodle Poll.



Read it and you will understand why is some "democratic" countries
revolutions

started. This Is what I call blackmail democracy.

(the Poll does not even mention the CT) The Poll starts as follows:

 

 

You are not a member of the OSMF but in February 2010, you will be asked
to accept the new Odbl or your account will be closed and all you
contributions deleted from the database (or hidden which is the same).

 

If one does not read carefully, one might even conclude that as

a result of this poll your account may be closed.

 

Serge Wroclawski wrote about this poll:

 

...separately by the community by a different community member who had
concerned over the first poll.

 

I wonder what the concerns might have been

 

 

This is a very good example of how democracy should not work.

Kadhaffi would do no better.

 

 

And it makes me fully understand why TimC writes:

 

The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing,
unofficial and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote
occurs BEFORE the decision to implement a plan takes place. It is
tacitly acknowledged in that the mechanism in the CTs is different from
what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much
as what we do next

 

Gert Gremmen

-

 

Openstreetmap.nl  (alias: cetest)

P Before printing, think about the environment. 

 

 

Van: Henk Hoff [mailto:toffeh...@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:55 PM
Aan: Nathan Edgars II
CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

 

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II 
wrote:


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
>
> Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
> taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
> decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
> sense to me..
>

This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating
a
license and deciding whether we should switch.

 

 

Before everybody understands things differently.

 

The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older
version of) CT.

Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against.

 

During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote
initiated by the community, which can be seen here:

http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w 

Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at
that time)

 

There has been similar polls by the community during that time with
similar results.

 

Both (the vote and the poll) show a large majority in favor of the
proposed change. Again: ODbL combined with CT.

 

This was done *before* all the new sign-ups were asked to sign the CT.
Based on this outcome of the membership-vote the process to change the
license was continued. The polls in the community were no reason to
change this decision.

 

Cheers,

Henk

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Re: [OSM-talk] open bus map - the maintainers?

[Matthias Meisser]

Am 14.06.2011 05:45, schrieb Robin Paulson:

hi,
does anyone know who maintains the open bus map?

i discovered it earlier - fantastic work, something i'd looked for for
a while, but wanted to make a suggestion about rendering the bus
routes based on the colour stored in the relation details.

any ideas, the website has no contact details anywhere i can see

cheers,


Hi Robin,
it's Melchior Moos, but currently AFAIK he's lacking of time
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96pnvkarte

Thats the reason why other public transport projects had been started
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services#Public_Transport

bye
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[OSM-talk] coastline broken ?

[Pierre-Alain Dorange]

I made a modification in my country coastline (France).
I added a coastline for the "Estuaire de la Gironde" (estuary) that was
previously build on river banks (but it was incorrect, it was not a
river).
So i split the riverbank and made it natural=coastline.

But since (2 days) the rendering is bad (mapnik, openmapquest, bing) for
this portion at some zoom level...
Rendering has been update (the boundary associated is now correclty
render).

I check in the wiki and the coastline a made seems correct (the way was
connected to previous one end-to-end, the direction is OK...).

The map :


The way added :


The relation for this portion of France coasline :


The QA tool coastline checker doesn't work :


OSM Inspector (Water) do not show "unconnected coastline" :


Can someone help me to fix this.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Russ Nelson]

Dermot McNally writes:
 > On 11 June 2011 00:15, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
 > 
 > > I think you're being deliberately obtuse

Nathan was being gracious. You ARE trolling. Stop it.

 > That's amusing coming from somebody who thinks he can inhibit the use
 > of data he has declared as PD, but let's carry on...
 > 
 > Switzerland around the same time held a referendum on whether to ban
 > the building of Minarets. I expect that many Muslims voted against the
 > ban. The referendum was carried. No voters _are_ treated differently
 > after the vote.

Very likely many non-Muslims voted against the ban. They were NOT
treated differently after the vote. Stop arguing that accepting the
license means anything more than accepting the license, Dermot. It
doesn't. In particular, I accepted the license because I know that if
I do not, then my (rather significant) contributions would be deleted,
and I would be banned from further contributions. I can and have
accepted the license without approving of it.

Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. That's an ugly thing to do.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Kothic JS - a full-featured JavaScript map rendering engine using HTML5 Canvas

[Russ Nelson]

Komяpa writes:
 > Glad to announce the first release of Kothic JS map rendering engine.

And it's gorgeous, just gorgeous. The only thing wrong with it is that
the whole user interface of Firefox is written in JS. So when Kothic
is rendering a complex map, be prepared to wait for your browser to
pay attention to your clicks.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Russ Nelson]

Dermot McNally writes:
 > Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between
 > grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal. In particular, in direct
 > democracy such as a referendum, small groups always design the
 > question that will be put to the electorate, tuning it as required so
 > it will command the support of a sufficient majority while still
 > achieving the goal.
 > 
 > If a sufficient majority votes yes (and this is often also referred to
 > as "supporting" the referendum), it is carried. If close to 99% votes
 > yes then it is common to talk of overwhelming support. Will some
 > voters be grumbling that they didn't like how the question was posed?
 > Sure they will. But the result is still binding, because that's how
 > democratic decisions work.

Silly Dermot, nobody voted. People who wished their edits to remain,
or to continue mapping knowing that their edits will remain, accepted
the license -- BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE.

Let me say that again, because this isn't the first time or the first
person who has misapprehended the situation: BECAUSE THEY HAD NO
CHOICE.  Let us not speak of democracy. Let us not speak of the
mandate of the masses. Let us speak of a small group of people who
control the domain names and servers, and let us point out that their
choice means more than the choice of any ten times as many people. Let
us not speak of majority rule. Let us speak of rule by the elite.

Has it ever been otherwise?

If you don't like this posting ... consider that you're probably one
of the elite. :P

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[OSM-talk] open bus map - the maintainers?

[Robin Paulson]

hi,
does anyone know who maintains the open bus map?

i discovered it earlier - fantastic work, something i'd looked for for
a while, but wanted to make a suggestion about rendering the bus
routes based on the colour stored in the relation details.

any ideas, the website has no contact details anywhere i can see

cheers,

-- 
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http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic
human rights in NZ

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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial part 2 - tracing roads and areas

[Parveen Arora]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, David Ellams
 wrote:
>
> I have finally got around to completing part 2 of the Potlatch 2
> video tutorial. This one is only just over three-and-a-half
> minutes, and covers tracing roads and areas from Bing aerial
> imagery. I have also renamed the video (and uploaded a retitled
> part 1) to “OpenStreetMap for Beginners” to make its intended
> audience more obvious.
Very good job, Well done.
I have also published the videos on my blog.
http://parveenarora.in/edit_maps_on_osm

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Nathan Edgars II]

On 6/13/2011 5:54 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
 >
 > Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
 > taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
 > decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
 > sense to me..
 >
This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of
creating a
license and deciding whether we should switch.


Before everybody understands things differently.

The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older
version of) CT.
Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against.


Can you link to the vote in the minutes?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Jon Burgess]

On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:04 +0200, Zolt Egete wrote:
> As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones
> but this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2,
> bzip2, bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
> Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the
> md5 hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)
> 
I think this is where your problem is.

With the recurring checksum issues you are seeing I would suspect that
something in your system is causing random data to be corruption. This
could be one of a thousand different things: a faulty RAM module, hard
drive cable, bad PSU, an over clocked or over heating CPU, bad PCI card
etc. Or it could be a software issue, such as a bad driver in the kernel
or X11. It can be really hard to identify the real cause but you could
try running memtest86+ or swapping around pieces of hardware.

I do not believe the files on the server are at fault. If they were then
I would expect to see many more complaints.

Until you can resolve the underlying data corruption issue then I don't
believe it is worth you trying different combinations of options with
osm2pgsql. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> Given the renderening speeds we are seeing, I wonder if it would be possible
> to calculate and update OSM with actual estimated tide heights, say once
> every 5 minutes for coastlines of interest.
>
> Now just how flash (no to mention useful) would that be?

Well, yes, that would be something to see.  I predict that this will
show up in a SotM presentation, or on a third-party web service before
it is adopted, if ever, for osm.org.

One problem that would arise for anybody offering this service, is
that users will be tempted to reload often to see the current tide, to
just watch the water go up and down.  So you'll serve many more tiles
per user than a "typical" tile set.  Now, if you could render the
tides in the client, by fetching real time depth data, or by loading a
tide chart separately, ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Henk Hoff]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

>
> Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
> >
> > Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
> > taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
> > decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
> > sense to me..
> >
> This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
> whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating a
> license and deciding whether we should switch.
>
>
Before everybody understands things differently.

The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older
version of) CT.
Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against.

During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote initiated
by the community, which can be seen here:
http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w
Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at that
time)

There has been similar polls by the community during that time with similar
results.

Both (the vote and the poll) show a large majority in favor of the proposed
change. Again: ODbL combined with CT.

This was done *before* all the new sign-ups were asked to sign the CT. Based
on this outcome of the membership-vote the process to change the license was
continued. The polls in the community were no reason to change this
decision.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete :
> C:\Users\z.egete\tmp\osm2pgsql>osm2pgsql -U postgres -S default.style -d gisa 
> -H 10.1.1.63 D:\planet-100127.osm
osm2pgsql SVN version 0.69-21289M
> I have tried with (-s, -u as well separately and have used -C 3000 at one
> time but no success)
> Any hint about it ?


There is no way you can use it without the -s (slim) option if you
have just 3GB of RAM. I'd really consider using a smaller extract then
the planet (it would take weeks to import it even if you manage to do
it). My suggestion: download a pbf extract from geofabrik and cut a BB
with pbftoosm

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] transparent road layer

[Chris Hill]

On 13/06/11 18:19, Rob Truxler wrote:

Hi Everyone
Does anyone know a map tile web service that produces transparent 
tiles with just roads and their labels and icons on them?  I'm hoping 
to use this layer with a background tileset that I already have. I'm 
open to using anything that is not in breach of a terms of service -- 
a custom mapnik server, a yahoo service, bing service, mapquest 
service, anything that has this feature. Does anyone know one? If not, 
is it feasible to set up a custom mapnik server that does this?

Thanks in advance, Rob

MapQuest have, I believe, a roads-only layer with name labels but it 
might not be documented. Ant Pegg (anttheli...@gmail.com) might be able 
to help you.


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[OSM-talk] transparent road layer

[Rob Truxler]

Hi Everyone
Does anyone know a map tile web service that produces transparent tiles with
just roads and their labels and icons on them?  I'm hoping to use this layer
with a background tileset that I already have. I'm open to using anything
that is not in breach of a terms of service -- a custom mapnik server, a
yahoo service, bing service, mapquest service, anything that has this
feature. Does anyone know one? If not, is it feasible to set up a custom
mapnik server that does this?
Thanks in advance, Rob
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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Zolt Egete]

Hello

I have put the new file to be downloaded
In the meantime I have tried the planet file to import from a 64bit 
windows machine to a database which is on a 32bit Linux machine and I 
keep getting this error


C:\Users\z.egete\tmp\osm2pgsql>osm2pgsql -U postgres -S default.style -d 
gisa -H 10.1.1.63 D:\planet-100127.osm

osm2pgsql SVN version 0.69-21289M

Using projection SRS 900913 (Spherical Mercator)
Setting up table: planet_osm_point
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_point" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_point_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_line
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_line" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_line_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_polygon" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_polygon_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_roads
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_roads" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_roads_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Mid: Ram, scale=100

!! You are running this on 32bit system, so at most
!! 3GB of RAM can be used. If you encounter unexpected
!! exceptions during import, you should try running in slim
!! mode using parameter -s.

Reading in file: D:\planet-100127.osm
Processing: Node(670k) Way(0k) Relation(0k)Entity: line 12409054: parser 
error : Specification mandate value for attribute timestamp5
timestamp5"2006-07-05T23:

 ^
Entity: line 12409054: parser error : attributes construct error
timestamp5"2006-07-05T23:

 ^
Entity: line 12409054: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag node
timestamp5"2006-07-05T23:

 ^
D:\planet-100127.osm : failed to parse
Error occurred, cleaning up

I have tried with (-s, -u as well separately and have used -C 3000 at 
one time but no success)

Any hint about it ?

On 6/13/2011 2:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

the official site should work:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/

the latest is this:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2
and the md5 is here:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2.md5

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[SomeoneElse]

On 13/06/2011 16:34, Stephan Knauss wrote:


As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they 
should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve 
OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't.




If you believe the news / rumour sites, they might not be insisting on 
"Silverlight being the answer for everything" for ever:


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20069319-17/microsoft-speak-up-about-silverlight-in-windows-8/

I've never used Bing maps for anything much because it always seems a 
bit too random - even now if I blindly click on the "more map styles" 
link I see on the front page you get a wikipedia entry for Stonehenge 
along with a crap quality map of it, and the information that it's 
"11.58 miles to Pewsey".  The OSM April 1st map was logical by comparison.


Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[SteveC]

Thats a kind of odd set of statements given... the random polls you're showing 
around...?

Steve

stevecoast.com

On Jun 13, 2011, at 13:53, TimSC  wrote:

> On 13/06/11 12:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> 
>> That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
>> members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
>> community by a different community member who had concerned over the
>> first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
>> They're several years old now.
>>   
> The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, unofficial 
> and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote occurs BEFORE the 
> decision to implement a plan takes place. It is tacitly acknowledged in that 
> the mechanism in the CTs is different from what previously had happened. But 
> really the past doesn't matter as much as what we do next.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Stephan Knauss]

On 13.06.2011 12:40, Borbus wrote:

On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote:

This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other
data but nag you to install Silverlight.


I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in
fact I couldn't even if I wanted to).  It would be a lot better if it
was available in the normal javascript version.


As I have written "or even better provide the tiles using the plain JS 
API as well".


As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they 
should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve 
OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't.
Even experienced users like Jochen had been tricked into believing the 
Bing data was OSM.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

[Richard Fairhurst]

TimSC wrote:
> This issue not just one person's hobby horse - its an issue that is very
> topical and very relevant.

Think you're missing an "IMHO" in there... and that's rather the point.

I can list plenty of things that I personally think are more topical and
relevant. I'm sure others on this list have their own lists. Do we all get
to put our subjective favourites at the top of the supposedly objective
list of News?

There are plenty of places where opinion can be aired in OSM. A box headed
"News" is not one of them.

> People actually bothered to vote, including
> significant people in the community. This shows people care.

Sure. I care too. I know people who've voted on that poll precisely to
show that they do not support your current crusade. I've chosen not to
vote for that same reason.

> Also, OSMF
> is actively debating this issue and it would be invaluable to have some
> empirical data. If there was some documentation on guidelines on what
> constitutes news, Richard might have a point.

Briefly flicking through the previous news items, they comprise things
like statistics (e.g. 400,000 registered users), software releases,
changes to the OSM website, new hardware etc.

Concrete changes, not discussion. I can't see any precedent for an
unofficial poll being placed there. If you want a box to encourage
discussion (because, after all, maybe people have just not noticed the
976234 channels we already have for it ;) ), maybe you could talk to the
wiki guys and get one set up. But 'tain't news.

Richard




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Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

[Dermot McNally]

On 13 June 2011 14:41, TimSC  wrote:

> So I ask any interested parties and Richard: please respond with a
> definition of what constitutes "news" and/or some reasoning that it is "one
> person's hobbyhorse", otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you want to
> raise awareness of the poll, I would appreciate some support here! ;)

It was put very succinctly by somebody earlier - paraphrasing, you
know something is news if it's important enough that somebody other
than the person who did it thinks it's news. In a similar vein,
Wikipedia takes a dim view of people writing an article about
themselves.

We all have diary pages to publicise our OSM deeds that we think
people care about. If they actually do, somebody else will post it as
news.

Dermot

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[OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

[TimSC]

Hi all,
cc Richard Fairhurst,

I recently created a poll on doodle about how decisions are taken in 
OSM. I think this issue matters to many people. I put the poll in the 
news section on the front page of the wiki, so we can get a decent turn 
out and be able to draw some conclusions. Richard Fairhurst reverted 
that edit with the reason 'This is not remotely news. It's one person's 
hobbyhorse. By this reckoning I could post a "news" item every time I 
ask a question on the mailing lists'. [1]


This issue not just one person's hobby horse - its an issue that is very 
topical and very relevant. People actually bothered to vote, including 
significant people in the community. This shows people care. Also, OSMF 
is actively debating this issue and it would be invaluable to have some 
empirical data. If there was some documentation on guidelines on what 
constitutes news, Richard might have a point. (Admittedly some would 
rather get on and map and I wish them all the best - I am by no means 
stopping them.) It seems like the poll is going to be more valuable than 
a dozen circular discussions on the mailing lists...


So I ask any interested parties and Richard: please respond with a 
definition of what constitutes "news" and/or some reasoning that it is 
"one person's hobbyhorse", otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you 
want to raise awareness of the poll, I would appreciate some support 
here! ;)


Regards,

TimSC

[1] 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:News&action=history



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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Nathan Edgars II]

Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
> 
> Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
> taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
> decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
> sense to me..
> 
This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating a
license and deciding whether we should switch.


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
> 
> Still, shortly thereafter (a couple of months later I believe), the
> another poll was taken  of all OSM members, OSMF or not, and the
> results were largely the same. This was done on the talk list.
> 
> Then someone from the community against the ODbL felt the first poll
> may not have been entirely on the up and up, and made their own. And
> the results were nearly identical to the first two polls.
> 
I ignored these unofficial polls as meaningless, and probably many others
did too (or didn't even know about them, not being on the talk list).


Here in Florida when they put a constitutional amendment on the ballot, it
has a brief description and a short summary of its effects. Applied to an
ODbL vote, this would comprise how the OSMF believes cc-by-sa is flawed and
the effect it will have on the contributions of those who do not agree to
the change.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[TimSC]

On 13/06/11 12:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:


That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
community by a different community member who had concerned over the
first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
They're several years old now.
   
The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, 
unofficial and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote 
occurs BEFORE the decision to implement a plan takes place. It is 
tacitly acknowledged in that the mechanism in the CTs is different from 
what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much 
as what we do next.


Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

the official site should work:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/

the latest is this:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2
and the md5 is here:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2.md5

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Tobias Knerr]

On 13.06.2011 13:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Matthias Julius  wrote:
>> A question for a real vote could be "Do you think OSM should switch to
>> ODbL?"
> 
> That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
> members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
> community by a different community member who had concerned over the
> first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.

http://wiki.osm.org/Open_Database_License has two vote results:
* the OSMF member vote
* a community vote that asks "Will you accept the new licence ?"

A search in my mail archives also found a link to this vote:
http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w
It's again about "Will you accept the new licence ?"

But where are these two community votes about the best license for OSM
(/not/ the mappers' decision about their own contributions) that I keep
hearing about?

It's entirely possible that I've just forgotten about them and can't
find them now among all the wiki pages and threads about the license
change. But couldn't you simply post a link to them?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Serge Wroclawski]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Matthias Julius  wrote:

> I don't know why some people call it a vote at all.  It is a question
> whether or not *you* agree to a contract (the CT) and allow *your*
> contributions to be distributed under ODbL.  Your answer is not binding
> to anyone else.
>
> And when OSMF has enough agreements from contributors they might decide
> to switch licenses.
>

> A question for a real vote could be "Do you think OSM should switch to
> ODbL?"

That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
community by a different community member who had concerned over the
first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
They're several years old now.

The poll allowed you to show how much you wanted to didn't want the
ODbL, and the results showed you had polar views on both sides, the
pro-ODbL people had slightly larger numbers, and you had a vast, vast
majority in the middle who don't give a crap about this license issue
and want to just map (they voted "Don't care.").

My frustration at this situation stems from what I perceive as an
unwillingness to acknowledge facts by the opposition. This may seem
harsh but my frustration here is pretty high. When I do present facts,
they're largely glossed over. Anyway, the first the arguments against
the ODbL were that it had no community support, that only the OMSF
wanted it.

It's important to understand why this is an odd critisism in the first
place. First, the LWG is an OSMF working group, and I don't believe it
requires OSMF membership. The majority of members of the LWG are not
on the board. So, the group that took the lead in moving to the ODbL
was not made up by a majority board members, nor did it require OSMF
membership.

Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
sense to me..

Still, shortly thereafter (a couple of months later I believe), the
another poll was taken  of all OSM members, OSMF or not, and the
results were largely the same. This was done on the talk list.

Then someone from the community against the ODbL felt the first poll
may not have been entirely on the up and up, and made their own. And
the results were nearly identical to the first two polls.

> I am curious what the outcome of that would be.

Aggregated from my recollection of all 3 polls, it was that there's
about a 22-28% strong support of the ODbL, a 16-20% view against it,
and the rest don't care.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial part 2 - tracing roads and areas

[Graham Stewart (GrahamS)]

Nice job David! Very clear and professional.
I'd definitely support these videos being added to the wiki ASAP.

One small point: it might be worth mentioning the 'B' shortcut in Potlatch
2, which will set the source=Bing tag without having to flip to the 'Misc'
tab and type it in manually.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Borbus]

On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote:
> This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other 
> data but nag you to install Silverlight.

I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in
fact I couldn't even if I wanted to).  It would be a lot better if it
was available in the normal javascript version.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Zolt Egete]

Hello

As I have promised I have tried to import  the old file without the -u 
option so not to use utf sanitize and I still got a problem
 ./osm2pgsql -U postgres -v -s -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500 
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

osm2pgsql SVN version 0.70.5

Using projection SRS 900913 (Spherical Mercator)
Setting up table: planet_osm_point
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_point" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_point_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_line
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_line" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_line_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_polygon" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_polygon_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_roads
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_roads" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_roads_tmp" does not exist, skipping
Mid: pgsql, scale=100, cache=2500MB, maxblocks=320001*8192
Setting up table: planet_osm_nodes
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_nodes" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
"planet_osm_nodes_pkey" for table "planet_osm_nodes"

Setting up table: planet_osm_ways
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_ways" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
"planet_osm_ways_pkey" for table "planet_osm_ways"

Setting up table: planet_osm_rels
NOTICE:  table "planet_osm_rels" does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
"planet_osm_rels_pkey" for table "planet_osm_rels"


Reading in file: /home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
Processing: Node(3670k) Way(0k) Relation(0)Entity: line 21837637: parser 
error : Unescaped '<' not allowed in attributes values
750" lon="10.4204140" timestamp="2006-12-31T06:28:45Z" version="1" 
changeset="17

   ^
Entity: line 21837637: parser error : attributes construct error
750" lon="10.4204140" timestamp="2006-12-31T06:28:45Z" version="1" 
changeset="17

   ^
Entity: line 21837637: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag node
750" lon="10.4204140" timestamp="2006-12-31T06:28:45Z" version="1" 
changeset="17

   ^
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm : failed to parse
Error occurred, cleaning up

The newest file I have downloaded I could not unpack since there is an 
archive error
I really need help cause I am on a project and I need to set the server 
up, I am already over my time which was planned for this task.


From where can I download a good planet file ? I have tried from the 
links which are provided from the openstreetmap site but since now only 
one file have worked for me, only one I could unpack


On 6/13/2011 12:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete:

Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
will let you know the results as soon as I have some

As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)

I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Stephan Knauss]

On 13.06.2011 11:44, Jochen Topf wrote:

FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight.
This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other 
data but nag you to install Silverlight.


I CC'ed Steve.

@Steve: Consider a nag screen or even better provide the tiles using the 
plain JS API as well.
This is how all started: 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-June/058642.html


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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Zolt Egete]

Thanks

Will give it a try and will let you know about the results I have got
thanks one more for the quick reply

On 6/13/2011 12:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete:

Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
will let you know the results as soon as I have some

As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)

I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete :
> Hello
>
> Thank you for the quick reply
> I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
> will let you know the results as soon as I have some
>
> As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
> this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
> bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
> Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
> hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)
>
> I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
> large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
>  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
> pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4
>
> and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
> process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
> Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Zolt Egete]

Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize 
and will let you know the results as soon as I have some


As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but 
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2, 
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the 
md5 hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)


I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 
17GB large and have started to unpack this morning with the following 
command

 pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see 
the process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB

Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?

On 6/13/2011 11:49 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete:

Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?


There are alternatives to osm2pgsql (e.g. imposm, osmosis) but they do
not do the same thing so it depends what you want to do with your
database (which scheme you want to have) which you should choose.

Actually osm2pgsql should work nonetheless, have you tried another
version of the planet or extract? Did you run md5 sum on your data
prior to importing it to verify if your file is OK?

./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

Maybe the reason is the "-u" option? Looking at the help this should
not be needed since 2007 and maybe even can cause some harm:
"-u|--utf8-sanitizeRepair bad UTF8 input data (present in planet
dumps prior to August 2007). Adds about 10% overhead."


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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete :
> Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?


There are alternatives to osm2pgsql (e.g. imposm, osmosis) but they do
not do the same thing so it depends what you want to do with your
database (which scheme you want to have) which you should choose.

Actually osm2pgsql should work nonetheless, have you tried another
version of the planet or extract? Did you run md5 sum on your data
prior to importing it to verify if your file is OK?

./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

Maybe the reason is the "-u" option? Looking at the help this should
not be needed since 2007 and maybe even can cause some harm:
"-u|--utf8-sanitize Repair bad UTF8 input data (present in planet
dumps prior to August 2007). Adds about 10% overhead."


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Jochen Topf]

I looked at it again, and its not OSM data. It is NAVTEQ data. Its much better
than when I last looked at NAVTEQ data so I was confused. :-) But on closer
inspection I can see that the OSM data is still better and more current.

FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight.

Jochen

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:07:31PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +1000
> From: Nick Hocking 
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing
> 
> Jochen,
> 
> I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think
> standard mapnik, looks ok to me.
> 
> Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
> all the OSM data there looking quite good.
> 
> Cheers
> Nick
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
> > >
> > http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=-35.206078&lon=149.103028&z=17&pid=50735
> > >
> > >
> > > Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for
> > a
> > > few months now - It's really good.
> >
> > That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM.
> > And
> > the rendering is really ugly. :-)
> >
> > Jochen
> > --
> > Jochen Topf  joc...@remote.org  http://www.remote.org/jochen/
> > +49-721-388298
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/6/13 Stephan Knauss :
> needs Silverlight


that is really amazing...

I don't have silverlight so I only get their dumb standard map...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

[Matthias Julius]

Dermot McNally  writes:

> On 11 June 2011 00:15, Nathan Edgars II  wrote:
>
>> Hence the new license acceptance
>> process is not a democratic vote.
>
> Your definition of democracy does not seem to accord with mine. Where
> did you get it?

I don't know why some people call it a vote at all.  It is a question
whether or not *you* agree to a contract (the CT) and allow *your*
contributions to be distributed under ODbL.  Your answer is not binding
to anyone else.

And when OSMF has enough agreements from contributors they might decide
to switch licenses.

A question for a real vote could be "Do you think OSM should switch to
ODbL?"

I am curious what the outcome of that would be.

Matthias

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

[Stephan Knauss]

On 13.06.2011 08:01, Grant Slater wrote:

Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data yet.
Example link?


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing#OpenStreetMap_via_the_Bing_Maps_APIs

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w/5872/style=Mapnik&pid=50735

needs Silverlight


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[OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

[Zolt Egete]

Hello

I have issues with importing large (planet) OSM files my postGIS 
database using the osm2pgsql tool.
The smaller files like some of the continents I could easily import but 
with large files I have problems.


The hardware configuration is the following
RAM: 3GB
HDD: 2TB
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz

Software:
CentOS 5.6 32 bit
Postgres 8.4
PostGIS 1.5.2
Geoserver 2.1.0
Java 1.6 update 25
osm2pgsql - latest from the SVN

For the import I use the following command
./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500 
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
The -C parameter I have altered several time and I have tried to lower 
the values for it but I have had no success

The error I get with this particular file is the following

Reading in file: /home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
Processing: Node(225520k) Way(0k) Relation(0)Entity: line 316029280: 
parser error : Specification mandate value for attribute version5
253" lat="33.5848027" lon="35.4919974" timestamp="2008-04-22T17:21:36Z" 
version5

   ^
Entity: line 316029280: parser error : attributes construct error
253" lat="33.5848027" lon="35.4919974" timestamp="2008-04-22T17:21:36Z" 
version5

   ^
Entity: line 316029280: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag node
253" lat="33.5848027" lon="35.4919974" timestamp="2008-04-22T17:21:36Z" 
version5

   ^
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm : failed to parse
Error occurred, cleaning up

Since I have seen on several places that messages about faulty XML can 
be cause the memory I have expanded the swap space
I have added a swap file to my system to extend the swap space so now I 
have 14GB of swap space but I still get the same error.


What am I doing wrong ?
Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?
Is my HW configuration to low ?
Should I go with a 64 bit system ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Andrew Errington]

On Mon, June 13, 2011 17:01, Ed Loach wrote:
> If I recall correctly, the Mapnik �Openstreetmap Mode�
requires
> Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if
> you don�t have it installed. Or perhaps I�m thinking of
the Map App, if
> that is different?

Hmm, well I don't have Silverlight, nor do I want it.  It could explain
why I don't see the same thing as others.

Thank you,

Andrew


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[John Smith]

On 13 June 2011 18:01, Ed Loach  wrote:
> If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires Silverlight,
> so the link below might show you a different view if you don’t have it
> installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App, if that is different?

I'd forgotten about that and it never seemed to make sense to me just
for showing tiles.

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[OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

[Nick Hocking]

Hi Ed,

Given the renderening speeds we are seeing, I wonder if it would be possible
to calculate and update OSM with actual estimated tide heights, say once
every 5 minutes for coastlines of interest.

Now just how flash (no to mention useful) would that be?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Ed Loach]

If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires
Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if
you don’t have it installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App,
if that is different?

 

Ed

 

From: Nick Hocking [mailto:nick.hock...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 June 2011 07:08
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

 

Hi Grant

 

 

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w

&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=-35.206078&lon=149.103028&z=17&pid=50735

 

 

Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik
facility for a few months now - It's really good.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

[Ed Loach]

Borbus wrote:

> I have recently been mapping tidal areas where data for both mean
> high
> water and low water levels are available.  I have drawn the MHW
> level
> and tagged it as natural=water, natural=riverbank or
> natural=coastline.
>  Then I have drawn natural=beach, natural=mud, natural=land,
> natural=wetland etc. up to the MLW level.
> 
> For example see: http://osm.org/go/0EZaXWxC-
> 
> First question is does this seem a reasonable way to map MHW and
> MLW?
> If so I think I will start a wiki page on how to do it.

natural=coastline should be used for MHW as per the wiki [1]. 

For the area between MHW and MLW I have used multipolygons for
either natural=wetland/wetland=tidalflat or natural=beach/tidal=yes
(both of which can be seen here:
http://osm.org/go/0EH53Vkp--
)

I adopted this method I think from copying how someone had mapped a
similar area further along the coast, but forget the details now.

Your example seems to be a little more inland than the example I
quoted so things may need mapping a bit differently, but the tidal
areas I've looked at near here reach up the River Colne as far as
Colchester and the River Stour to the sluice at the A137 crossing.
There is a trac ticket to make tidalflat's look a bit better when
the background is sea rather than land in Mapnik [2]. Osmarender
doesn't seem to handle the complexity of the multipolygons (turning
most of Harwich into a beach, for example).

Ed

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline
[2] http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1607




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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Nick Hocking]

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=37.506163&lon=127.050212&z=14&pid=50735

Works for me. But I'll go check out Yahoo and Google and see what the diffs
are>


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Andrew Errington <
a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote:
> > Jochen,
> >
> >
> > I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I
> > think standard mapnik, looks ok to me.
> >
> > Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
> >  all the OSM data there looking quite good.
>
> I did try, but it's just the old stuff.  Can you see it?  Maybe I am doing
> something wrong. :(
>
> A
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[John Smith]

On 13 June 2011 17:07, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> Jochen,
>
> I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think
> standard mapnik, looks ok to me.
>
> Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
> all the OSM data there looking quite good.

I only see attribution for Microsoft and MapData Sciences...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Andrew Errington]

On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Jochen,
>
>
> I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I
> think standard mapnik, looks ok to me.
>
> Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
>  all the OSM data there looking quite good.

I did try, but it's just the old stuff.  Can you see it?  Maybe I am doing
something wrong. :(

A


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Nick Hocking]

Jochen,

I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think
standard mapnik, looks ok to me.

Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
all the OSM data there looking quite good.

Cheers
Nick

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
> >
> http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=-35.206078&lon=149.103028&z=17&pid=50735
> >
> >
> > Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for
> a
> > few months now - It's really good.
>
> That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM.
> And
> the rendering is really ugly. :-)
>
> Jochen
> --
> Jochen Topf  joc...@remote.org  http://www.remote.org/jochen/
> +49-721-388298
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Jochen Topf]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
> http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=-35.206078&lon=149.103028&z=17&pid=50735
> 
> 
> Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a
> few months now - It's really good.

That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM. And
the rendering is really ugly. :-)

Jochen
-- 
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