Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Stephane Goldstein]

>
> If OSM were to have landuse=plantation there would need to be a further
> tag plantation=cotton/tobacco/coffee/sugar_cane/trees/banana*/*
> house/bushes/*
>
> Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and then
> harvesting?? And don't mean anything else?
> The closest I have is 'forestry'.
>

landuse=forestry is a good option as well.
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[Talk-GB] The OSM UK map - signed walking routes

[Andrew Black]

My request. Signed walking routes such as
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6084014

Can i ask about context. Are we talking abou a layer or a website that
could potentially have optional overlays. If the latter could routes be
such an overlay. I appreciate they ate not everyones taste.


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Re: [Talk-es] enlace riot-telegram

[Alejandro S.]

Genial!

¡Muchas gracias Sanchi!

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez

2017-11-01 23:34 GMT+01:00 Miguel Sevilla-Callejo :

> Hola,
>
> Rápidamente y retomando este hilo (no se si hay uno posterior) os comento
> que @sanchi ha arreglado la conexión entre Riot y Telegram y, por extensión
> con la sala de IRC #osm-es por lo que vuelve a estar operativa.
>
> Aunque seguimos leyendonos "asíncronamente" por esta vía ahora ya lo
> podemos hacer de manera inmediata por cualquiera de esas vías.
>
> Un saludo
>
> Miguel
>
> --
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>
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> wrote:
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Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant

[Ben Kelley]

I think that's some kind of location code. I forget what it's called. If 
you search for that string in Google Maps it takes you to an address at 
the Gold Coast.



 - Ben.


On 2/11/17 10:27, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks everyone for input - have gone with drinks:alcohol = BYO.

Now just a matter of seeing how it appears when the maps for my phone 
(OSMAND+) update next.


It's apparent though, when looking at restaurants, that very few 
details have been entered against them - frequently only "Restaurant" 
& Name, occasionally type of cuisine, with only a few others having 
any further details - phone, opening hours etc.


There's one strange bit of info that is showing up, at least on 
OSMAND, though.


If nothing else, the description of each place shows "Restaurant", the 
location Lat / Long & another apparent location field something like 
"5R3MXC5M+JM" - anybody have any idea what that could represent? I've 
looked at a couple of dozen listings for restaurants & other POIs, 
both here on the GC & also in Sydney, & every listing has a similar 
code against it.


Any ideas?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everyone for input - have gone with drinks:alcohol = BYO.

Now just a matter of seeing how it appears when the maps for my phone
(OSMAND+) update next.

It's apparent though, when looking at restaurants, that very few details
have been entered against them - frequently only "Restaurant" & Name,
occasionally type of cuisine, with only a few others having any further
details - phone, opening hours etc.

There's one strange bit of info that is showing up, at least on OSMAND,
though.

If nothing else, the description of each place shows "Restaurant", the
location Lat / Long & another apparent location field something like
"5R3MXC5M+JM" - anybody have any idea what that could represent? I've
looked at a couple of dozen listings for restaurants & other POIs, both
here on the GC & also in Sydney, & every listing has a similar code against
it.

Any ideas?

Thanks

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Re: [Talk-es] enlace riot-telegram

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola,

Rápidamente y retomando este hilo (no se si hay uno posterior) os comento
que @sanchi ha arreglado la conexión entre Riot y Telegram y, por extensión
con la sala de IRC #osm-es por lo que vuelve a estar operativa.

Aunque seguimos leyendonos "asíncronamente" por esta vía ahora ya lo
podemos hacer de manera inmediata por cualquiera de esas vías.

Un saludo

Miguel

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[talk-au] WA - NT lakes to intermittent

[Warin]

Hi

Some lakes have been added along the WA NT boarder. These are I think 
intermittent and I have changed them to that.


These were added using scan aerial - by a non local. Lake Mackay is one 
of them.



However there maybe more that I think should be changed if you are not 
already tagged intermittent.



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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 1. Nov 2017, at 21:32, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:
> 
> Quella modifica è stata fatta più di 3 anni fa e non "poco fa". Difficile 
> quindi che sia passata a tutti inosservata.


avevo messo il poco tra virgolette, si, sono 3 anni, ma non c’era ne votazione 
ne discussione e comunque erano passati 6 anni da quando avevamo introdotto il 
tag, e c’erano già decine di migliaia di oggetti con questo tag.

In ogni caso, pure se fosse soltanto per fontanelle (cosa non penso), un 
drinking_water_type che non indica un tipo di drinking water è orribile dal 
punto di vista semantico. Stavo usando questo per qualche tempo e ogni volta 
che lo mettevo mi faceva un po’ male.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-11-01 20:37 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 1. Nov 2017, at 18:39, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-11-01 18:35 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-11-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>>
>>> Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una "drinking
>>> fountain".
>>>
>>
>>
>> no, si riferisce ad una fonte di acqua potabile in piccole quantità.
>>
>
> Sulla wiki c'è scritto una cosa diversa, come prima riga della pagina
> relativa al tag amenity=drinking_water:
> "*Drinking water* is a place where humans can obtain potable water for
> consumption. Typically, the water is used for only drinking. Also known as
> a [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] *drinking fountain* or *bubbler*
> ."
>
>
>
> questo perché nella wiki possono scrivere quello che vogliono e non si può
> stare dietro a tutto. Fino a “poco” fa c’era un altro testo: https://wiki.
> openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_
> water=1079037
>
> drinking fountain è un esempio, potrebbe essere anche un semplice
> rubinetto, appena posso rimetto la definizione generica che corrisponde al
> tag, sennò sarebbe amenity=drinking_fountain, no?
>

Quella modifica è stata fatta più di 3 anni fa e non "poco fa". Difficile
quindi che sia passata a tutti inosservata.

Comunque, anche se fosse vero quello che dici, cosa ci sarebbe di male a
usare driking_water_type=faucet?

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] mapnik=Umanitario(Hot_rendering)?

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 01/11/2017 20:57, Andy Townsend ha scritto:

On 01/11/2017 18:42, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:
Appena guardato adesso, io lo vedo uguale alla mappa standard, Ú solo 
a me?


http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/46.0932/11.1419=H

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/60372/the-humanitarian-map-shows-as-standard-map 



"There is a server outage so the standard tiles are being shown. I don't 
know anything more about it than 
https://twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/status/925029753454776321;




Ok, tank you for information.


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Re: [Talk-it] mapnik=Umanitario(Hot_rendering)?

[Andy Townsend]

On 01/11/2017 18:42, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote:
Appena guardato adesso, io lo vedo uguale alla mappa standard, è solo 
a me?


http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/46.0932/11.1419=H


https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/60372/the-humanitarian-map-shows-as-standard-map

"There is a server outage so the standard tiles are being shown. I don't 
know anything more about it than 
https://twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/status/925029753454776321;



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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 1. Nov 2017, at 18:39, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-11-01 18:35 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>> 
>> 
>> 2017-11-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>>> Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una "drinking 
>>> fountain".
>> 
>> 
>> no, si riferisce ad una fonte di acqua potabile in piccole quantità.
> 
> Sulla wiki c'è scritto una cosa diversa, come prima riga della pagina 
> relativa al tag amenity=drinking_water:
> "Drinking water is a place where humans can obtain potable water for 
> consumption. Typically, the water is used for only drinking. Also known as a  
> drinking fountain or bubbler."
> 


questo perché nella wiki possono scrivere quello che vogliono e non si può 
stare dietro a tutto. Fino a “poco” fa c’era un altro testo: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Ddrinking_water=1079037

drinking fountain è un esempio, potrebbe essere anche un semplice rubinetto, 
appena posso rimetto la definizione generica che corrisponde al tag, sennò 
sarebbe amenity=drinking_fountain, no?

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Fra Mauro]

Ho partecipato anche io all'incontro e il ragionamento è stato questo (spero di 
riferire bene)

1) la "drinking water" è un tipo particolare di "fountain", tanto è vero che 
sono anche dette drinking fountain o fontanelle
2) la distinzione non è netta. Dalla pagina wiki su "fountain": Please tag a 
dedicated drinking fountain as amenity=drinking_water. If providing drinking 
water is not the primary use of a fountain but the water is drinkable 
nonetheless use drinking_water=yes (see the tag page for more detailed 
tagging). 
Dunque ci sono fontane proprio "fountain" da cui si beve...
3) potrà essere di interesse taggare il tipo di acqua. Nelle zone termali ci 
sono fontanelle con acqua minerale; anche in una zona di Roma si trovano. 
Sembra più intuitivo dire che "fountain=xx" si riferisce all'oggetto che emette 
l'acqua, "drinking_water:type=yyy" si riferisce al tipo di acqua potabile emessa

Saluti

Il 1 Novembre 2017 18:39:40 CET, Andrea Musuruane  ha 
scritto:
>2017-11-01 18:35 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer
>:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-11-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>>
>>> Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una
>"drinking
>>> fountain".
>>>
>>
>>
>> no, si riferisce ad una fonte di acqua potabile in piccole quantità.
>>
>
>Sulla wiki c'è scritto una cosa diversa, come prima riga della pagina
>relativa al tag amenity=drinking_water:
>"*Drinking water* is a place where humans can obtain potable water for
>consumption. Typically, the water is used for only drinking. Also known
>as
>a [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] *drinking fountain* or *bubbler*
>."
>
>Ciao,
>
>Andrea
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 19:15 GMT+01:00 Elena ``of Valhalla'' :

>
> It may be a good neutral language between speakers of e.g. French and
> German




not even, as French is a romance language with very strong latin influence,
while German only has had some influence.

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[Talk-it] mapnik=Umanitario(Hot_rendering)?

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Appena guardato adesso, io lo vedo uguale alla mappa standard, è solo a me?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/46.0932/11.1419=H

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Richard]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 01:58:32PM +, Andy Townsend wrote:
 
> The slightly more serious point that I was trying to make was that one map
> style can't do everything - if you want to see latin (script, not language)
> names there are options available for you to do that right now.  I quite
> like the idea that the "standard" map tries to use the local language and
> doesn't impose one culture's view of what things should be called - and
> using Latin (the language) worldwide is of course not really any different
> to that - if you truly wanted a "language that has been in use for a long
> time and is spoken by a lot of people" you'd pick a version of Chinese.

all nice, but ask the Arbas if they want to have Chinese names rendered in
Chinese and Russian in Cyrillic or rather transliterated to English, ask the 
Chinese if they want to see half of Asia in Russian and Arab alphabets or 
better in English and then ask the Russsians the equivalent questions.

Also, while it is relatively rare that names transliterated to latin can 
cause political issues, many names in Asia will cause trouble if they appear
in the wrong local language in the wrong country.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Elena ``of Valhalla'']

On 2017-11-01 at 14:28:12 +0100, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
> There is a code for the Lingua Latina (Latin language) in the ISO 639-1,
> which is used at the OSM. It is "la" [1]. It is an ancient language so
> modern political controversies would not be reflected on it.
> [...]

This is the point where I believe that most people (me incuded) don't
agree: latin has ancient origins, but is still alive precisely because
it has remained in use up to modern times in a very specific part of the
world.

It may be a good neutral language between speakers of e.g. French and
German, but once you get outside of Europe + nations mostly inhabited by
europeans it's definitely not neutral, but the (scientific) language of
the old imperialist powers.

It is also much easier to understand for the speaker of some languages,
but utterly foreign to anybody from a culture where the common langage
of science was e.g. a variant of chinese or classical arabic, as those
two languages are to us europeans.

I can think of one language among the ones that I know of that would be
ancient and free from modern political controversies: ancient Sumerian,
which is really dead, a language isolate (and thus equally difficult for
everybody) and written in its own system (so that nobody is advantaged
here either). Of course, these precise reasons make it quite an
impractical choice for osm.
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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Alessandro]

Si Luca, in parole povere:esci il link :-

 Messaggio originale Da: Federico Cortese 
 Data:01/11/2017  15:58  (GMT+01:00) 
A: openstreetmap list - italiano  
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia 
2017-10-31 15:47 GMT+01:00 Luca Riccardi :

Ciao a tutti,

sono Luca, vi contatto poiché facendo fede a quanto scritto nelle linee guida 
presenti nella wiki di OSM, vi è la possibilità di aggiungere ai dati di OSM, 
potenziali nuovi dati relativi a punti di interesse e attrazioni turistiche  
come: chiese, cattedrali, monumenti, opere d'arte, ristoranti, centri di 
informazione turistici, etc.. localizzate nella regione Puglia. Dati presenti 
in dataset consolidati e verificati (Digital Library e OpenData) che possano 
aiutare l'utente finale a individuare i suoi interessi su OSM.


Ciao Luca,
io mi sono occupato dell'import dei fabbricati per la Regione Puglia, quindi 
oltre a fare tesoro di tutti gli ottimi consigli che ti sono stati forniti, 
puoi contare su di me se ti serve aiuto.
Per cominciare potresti indicare i dataset che vorresti importare, per 
valutarne la compatibilità con OSM e quindi la possibilità di import.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Richard]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 03:01:39PM +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> > Es gibt wohl sehr viele Orte auf der Welt die Deutsche Namen haben die
> > > heute in Deutschland überwiegend unter ihren z.B. Italienischen Namen
> > > bekannt sind.. sagen wir im Trentino.
> >
> >
> > weiss nicht, im Trentino nutzen die deutschsprachigen Bewohner ganz
> > natürlich deutsche Namen, offizielle Dokumente sind dort, wo
> > Zweisprachigkeit offiziell ist, auch zweisprachig, inklusive der Namen.
> > Straßenschilder sind zweisprachig, etc., von daher halte ich es nicht für
> > so wichtig, wie die deutschen Touristen das handhaben, die deutschen Namen
> > sind kaum anzuzweifeln in diesem Gebiet.
> >
> 
> Um genau zu sein:
> 
> Unter Trentino verstehen viele Italiener und Deutsche die
> Autonome Region Trentino-Südtirol (italienisch: Regione autonma
> Trentino-Alto Adige) [1], Hauptstadt Trento (deutsch: Trient)

habe ich micht vorher nicht genau genug ausgedrückt, ich meinte in diesem
Fall nicht die gesamte autonome Region sondern den Trentino-Teil

> Die Provinz Trento ist durchegehend italienisch-sprachig

selbstverständlich gibt es trotzdem für in weiten Teilen dieser Provinz
Deutsche Namen aus den Zeiten des Kaiserreichs, die jedoch m.W.
inzwischen nicht geläufig sind - außer in der Nachbarprovinz 
Südtirol.
Sowas wie "Reiff am Gartsee" bringt einen Deutschen Urlauber eher zum
schmunzeln.. sofern er rauskriegt was gemeint ist und ich habe 
jedenfalls keine Lust das einzutragen. Aber wenn es einer eintragen 
wollte, wohin damit? loc_name:de, old_name:de ? Als name:de würde
ich es bestimmt nicht eintragen wollen.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tagger le mauvais état des lieux

[marc marc]

Bonsoir,

Le 01. 11. 17 à 17:12, b.maran...@ville-bondy.fr a écrit :
> le mauvais état des routes, des bâtiments, des parkings... 

pour les routes : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness

pour les chemins : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype

pour les fonctionnalités qui n'existent pas encore ou plus 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix

pour les situations temporaires
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:operational_status

Cordialement,
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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-11-01 18:35 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> 2017-11-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>
>> Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una "drinking
>> fountain".
>>
>
>
> no, si riferisce ad una fonte di acqua potabile in piccole quantità.
>

Sulla wiki c'è scritto una cosa diversa, come prima riga della pagina
relativa al tag amenity=drinking_water:
"*Drinking water* is a place where humans can obtain potable water for
consumption. Typically, the water is used for only drinking. Also known as
a [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] *drinking fountain* or *bubbler*
."

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :

> Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una "drinking
> fountain".
>


no, si riferisce ad una fonte di acqua potabile in piccole quantità.

Ciao,
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Re: [OSRM-talk] ferry routing problem

[Daniel Hofmann]

A couple of things I'm seeing here:


The ferry does not have a duration tag so you will get default speeds; you
could add duration data to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81817423#map=17/46.69224/7.90466=D

The default profiles set speed for ferries but they do not (yet) modify
weights for ferries; you can set realistic speeds and independently change
routing weights now; see
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/happygo/diary/40564

Related: we optimize on weight and not on speed; even though the road could
be faster it can have a high weight penalty on it; check weight responses
in http://project-osrm.org/docs/v5.10.0/api/#result-objects


Hope that helps,
Daniel J H



On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 12:35 PM, michael spreng 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> We have a problem on routing.osm.ch, that a ferry is used too often,
> even though I set the speed of the ferry very low, such that it should
> only be used if there is an exceptionally long detour without it. Here
>
> http://routing.osm.ch/?z=14=46.696227%2C7.941270;
> loc=46.709618%2C7.962899=46.688088%2C7.898548=en=0=2
>
> I would assume that it takes the road along the shore, because it has a
> four times faster speed. But the routing uses the ferry never the less.
> See https://routing.osm.ch/debug/bike-touring.html#14/46.6975/7.9469 for
> the speeds.
>
> Another problem I have is with the foot profile, where the ferry does
> not show up in debug:
> https://routing.osm.ch/debug/foot.html#14.42/46.7076/7.9472
>
> But it is obviously in the routing graph, because again it gets
> preferred to the way along the shore:
>
> http://routing.osm.ch/?z=14=46.697464%2C7.946935;
> loc=46.709618%2C7.962899=46.688088%2C7.898548=en=0=3
>
> The profiles can be seen here:
> https://github.com/sosm/cbf-routing-profiles
>
> Does someone have some insight on what I'm doing wrong?
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Andrea Musuruane]

Ciao Martin,

2017-11-01 18:26 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> 2017-11-01 18:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>
>>
>> Anche a me l'uso del tag fountain non convince molto. Forse sarebbe stato
>> meglio usare drinking_water_type, in modo analogo a castle_type,
>> shelter_type, artwork_type, site_type, ecc.
>>
>
>
> abbiamo discusso proprio di questo, e scelto "fountain" perché si applica
> in inglese (mentre in italiano non sono "fontane", in inglese sono
> "drinking fountains"), e perché il tag non è per descrivere il tipo di
> acqua ma il tipo di fontanella o fontana.
>

Perdonami Martin, ma amenity=drinking_water si riferisce a una "drinking
fountain". Quindi esattamente come gli altri usi che ho elencato, si
dovrebbe usare drinking_water_type.

Se invece ci riferissimo ad amenity=fountain (ovvero "A fountain for
cultural / decorational / recreational purposes") allora si dovrebbe usare
fountain_type.

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 18:17 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :

>
> Anche a me l'uso del tag fountain non convince molto. Forse sarebbe stato
> meglio usare drinking_water_type, in modo analogo a castle_type,
> shelter_type, artwork_type, site_type, ecc.
>


abbiamo discusso proprio di questo, e scelto "fountain" perché si applica
in inglese (mentre in italiano non sono "fontane", in inglese sono
"drinking fountains"), e perché il tag non è per descrivere il tipo di
acqua ma il tipo di fontanella o fontana.

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Valle d'Aosta

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-11-01 18:03 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt :

> Hai chiesto all'utente CUSPC ?
>

Non ancora. Speravo che qualche valdostano in lista ne sapesse di più.

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Andrea Musuruane]

Ciao,

2017-11-01 9:52 GMT+01:00 Aury88 :

> Domanda: pensi sia utile fare lo stesso discorso per le fontane tipo
> "toret"? ho visto che in piemonte viene messo "Toret" come value dei tag
> artwork_type e name per le fontanelle...li cosa si dovrebbe fare secondo il
> nuovo schema? rimuovere entrambi i tag e mettere fountain=toret o
> aggiungere
> semplicemente fountain=toret?
>

Concordo anche io (da piemontese) che bisogna trovare un modo per
uniformare queste informazioni.


> servirebbe un parere dalla lista piemontese...quel tag name, a prescindere
> dal nuovo schema, non mi convince...è come se taggassimo con
> "name=fontanella". chiedo perchè da wikipedia sembra solo un modo comune di
> indicare certe fontanelle, non un loro nome proprio.
>

Anche a me l'uso del tag fountain non convince molto. Forse sarebbe stato
meglio usare drinking_water_type, in modo analogo a castle_type,
shelter_type, artwork_type, site_type, ecc.

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Valle d'Aosta

[Volker Schmidt]

Hai chiesto all'utente CUSPC ?

2017-11-01 17:43 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :

> Ciao,
> mi sono appena accorto che da circa 5 mesi è in corso un import di
> numeri civici relativi alla Valle d'Aosta da parte dell'utente CUSPC, con
> commenti ai changeset simili a "Implementazioni cartografiche per gestione
> emergenze NUE".
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CUSPC/history
>
> Premesso che mi sembra una iniziativa lodevole, credo non rispetti neanche
> uno dei requisiti per un import, ad iniziare dal fatto che non si capisco
> da dove provengono i dati.
>
> Qualcuno di voi sa qualcosa?
>
> Ciao,
>
> Andrea
>
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[Talk-it] Import Civici Valle d'Aosta

[Andrea Musuruane]

Ciao,
mi sono appena accorto che da circa 5 mesi è in corso un import di
numeri civici relativi alla Valle d'Aosta da parte dell'utente CUSPC, con
commenti ai changeset simili a "Implementazioni cartografiche per gestione
emergenze NUE".
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CUSPC/history

Premesso che mi sembra una iniziativa lodevole, credo non rispetti neanche
uno dei requisiti per un import, ad iniziare dal fatto che non si capisco
da dove provengono i dati.

Qualcuno di voi sa qualcosa?

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Incontro di co-design a Bologna

[Volker Schmidt]

Ciao Lorenzo,

mi dispiace, non posso partecipare.
Devo essere presente a una riunione del direttivo della mia associazione
(FIAB) che è stata convocata fuori calendario.

Potresti tenermi informato sui risultati?

Cari saluti

Volker

2017-10-26 22:35 GMT+02:00 Lorenzo Perone :

>
>
> Il 24 ott 2017 20:18, "Volker Schmidt"  ha scritto:
>
> Sono ingeressato.
> Volker
> (Padova)
>
>
> Ciao Volker,
> ci vediamo lì allora.
> Ciao.
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
> 2017-10-24 18:54 GMT+02:00 Lorenzo Perone :
>
>> Ciao,
>> scusate il cross-posting, mi hanno invitato ad un incontro di co-design
>> organizzato dal comune di Bologna sul tema "bici" intitolato Mapathon
>> #rastrelliereBiciBo
>> Qui http://dati.comune.bologna.it/node/3097 potete trovare altre info.
>> C'è qualcuno interessato a partecipare?
>> Ciao.
>> Lorenzo
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[OSRM-talk] ferry routing problem

[michael spreng]

Hi

We have a problem on routing.osm.ch, that a ferry is used too often,
even though I set the speed of the ferry very low, such that it should
only be used if there is an exceptionally long detour without it. Here

http://routing.osm.ch/?z=14=46.696227%2C7.941270=46.709618%2C7.962899=46.688088%2C7.898548=en=0=2

I would assume that it takes the road along the shore, because it has a
four times faster speed. But the routing uses the ferry never the less.
See https://routing.osm.ch/debug/bike-touring.html#14/46.6975/7.9469 for
the speeds.

Another problem I have is with the foot profile, where the ferry does
not show up in debug:
https://routing.osm.ch/debug/foot.html#14.42/46.7076/7.9472

But it is obviously in the routing graph, because again it gets
preferred to the way along the shore:

http://routing.osm.ch/?z=14=46.697464%2C7.946935=46.709618%2C7.962899=46.688088%2C7.898548=en=0=3

The profiles can be seen here:
https://github.com/sosm/cbf-routing-profiles

Does someone have some insight on what I'm doing wrong?

Michael

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[OSM-talk-fr] tagger le mauvais état des lieux

[B.Maranget]

Bonjour,
Je parcours les tags dans les map-features et taginfo cherchant à souligner le 
mauvais état des routes, des bâtiments, des parkings... mais je ne parviens pas 
à trouver des tags permettant de signaler les nuisances en général.
Est-ce parce qu'il s'agit de subjectivité ?
Merci !


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Re: [Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[majka]

No jo, Pražáci mají zase něco extra ;)

Respektive "všichni" mají něco extra, jen České Budějovice měly
průšvih s IT, takže o open datech si zatím můžeme nechat jen zdát...
Nebo se někomu podařilo něco dobře utajeného najít?

2017-11-01 11:26 GMT+01:00 Pavel Zbytovský :
> Možná by stálo za to importovat i přímo ty datasety s přesným vymezením zón
> - viz třeba [1]. Přijde mi to užitečnější než jen informace je v ulici tahle
> zóna/není, u náměstí apod je to dost nedostačující.
> btw, mapy.cz právě tyhle data při přiblížení ukazujou
>
> Pavel
>
> [1] http://opendata.praha.eu/dataset/ipr-zony_placeneho_stani_nove__2016

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 1. Nov 2017, at 13:30, Richard  wrote:
> 
> Abgesehen 
> von der Politik sehe ich es aber im Einzelfall als schwer überprüfbar ob es 
> den Polnischen/Slawischen Namen nicht doch schon mal im Laufe der 
> weschelvollen 
> Geschichte gegeben hat. Immerhin waren große Teile des heutigen Deutschlands 
> ursprünglich Slawisches Siedlungsgebiet.


wenn man soweit (oder gar noch weiter) zurückzugehen bereit ist (was m.E. in 
OSM nicht Thema ist), dann kann man natürlich einiges an old_name tags 
hervorzaubern. Ich könnte dann im Latium z.B. auch etruskische Namen eintragen, 
oder  von anderen italischen vorrömischen Völkern, oder in Deutschland 
keltische Namen (die hatten allerdings glaub keine Schrift), aber wie gesagt, 
das fände ich in OSM abwegig. Das 19. Jh ist da schon ne andere Nummer (z.B. 
wurden damals die Bahnhöfe gebaut, d.h. der old_name ist dann der ursprüngliche 
Name unter dem der Bahnhof eröffnet wurde), und dazu finden sich natürlich auch 
viel mehr Quellen als aus dem Mittelalter oder aus der Antike.

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Federico Cortese]

2017-10-31 15:47 GMT+01:00 Luca Riccardi :

>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> sono Luca, vi contatto poiché facendo fede a quanto scritto nelle linee
> guida presenti nella wiki di OSM, vi è la possibilità di aggiungere ai dati
> di OSM, potenziali nuovi dati relativi a punti di interesse e attrazioni
> turistiche  come: chiese, cattedrali, monumenti, opere d'arte, ristoranti,
> centri di informazione turistici, etc.. localizzate nella regione Puglia.
> Dati presenti in dataset consolidati e verificati (Digital Library e
> OpenData) che possano aiutare l'utente finale a individuare i suoi
> interessi su OSM.
>
>
Ciao Luca,
io mi sono occupato dell'import dei fabbricati per la Regione Puglia,
quindi oltre a fare tesoro di tutti gli ottimi consigli che ti sono stati
forniti, puoi contare su di me se ti serve aiuto.
Per cominciare potresti indicare i dataset che vorresti importare, per
valutarne la compatibilità con OSM e quindi la possibilità di import.

Ciao,
Federico
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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 1. Nov 2017, at 13:30, Richard  wrote:
> 
> Zweischprachigkeit im Trentino? Nun ja, vielleicht theoretisch.
> Es gibt diverse Sprachinseln und das Zymbrische aber auch viele Orte
> die m.W. niemals eine nennenswerte Deutsche Minderheit oder einen
> gebräuchlichen Deutschen Namen hatten.


ja, im Trentino ist es die Ausnahme (gibt es aber), in Alto Adige die Regel 
(zusammen ist das die Region Trient/Südtirol).

gruß,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 01.11.2017 o 14:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev pisze:

A would-be future vector map, probably, is not a a good solution, as 
it does not use the principle of precalculation. The Latin language 
has been used for centuries in science (including geography and 
cartography). Its popularity is growing nowadays.


One can deploy l10n osm-carto fork with Latin:

https://github.com/giggls/openstreetmap-carto-de/tree/upstream+l10n

or just use the English-enhanced map:

https://tile.iosb.fraunhofer.de//#map=5/30.1198/33.2703/3

I also think that vector name overlay is needed anyway, no matter if and 
when we'll have full vector map.


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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Volker Schmidt]

> Es gibt wohl sehr viele Orte auf der Welt die Deutsche Namen haben die
> > heute in Deutschland überwiegend unter ihren z.B. Italienischen Namen
> > bekannt sind.. sagen wir im Trentino.
>
>
> weiss nicht, im Trentino nutzen die deutschsprachigen Bewohner ganz
> natürlich deutsche Namen, offizielle Dokumente sind dort, wo
> Zweisprachigkeit offiziell ist, auch zweisprachig, inklusive der Namen.
> Straßenschilder sind zweisprachig, etc., von daher halte ich es nicht für
> so wichtig, wie die deutschen Touristen das handhaben, die deutschen Namen
> sind kaum anzuzweifeln in diesem Gebiet.
>

Um genau zu sein:

Unter Trentino verstehen viele Italiener und Deutsche die
Autonome Region Trentino-Südtirol (italienisch: Regione autonma
Trentino-Alto Adige) [1], Hauptstadt Trento (deutsch: Trient)
Sie besteht aus zwei autonome Provinzen
Provincia autonoma di Trento (deutsch: Autonome Provinz Trient) [2], auch
Trentino genannt, Hauptstadt Trento (deutsch: Trient)
Autonome Provinz Bozen–Südtirol  (itlaienisch: Provincia Autonoma di
Bolzano–Alto Adige   [3], auch Suedtirol genannt, Hauptstadt Bolzano-Bozen

Die Provinz Trento ist durchegehend italienisch-sprachig
Die gesamte Provinz Bozen ist offiziell dreisprachig: italienaisch,
deutsch, ladinisch

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-S%C3%BCdtirol
[2] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino
[3] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCdtirol

Was OSM betrifft sind in der Provinz Trient die topografischen Namen mit
name= eingetragen.
In der Provinz Bozen sind die topografischen Namen mit name= - < italienischer Name> oder mit name= -
 eingetragen, ausser in den ladinischen Gebieten, wo
Ortsnamen dreisprachige name tags haben (ladinisch - deutsch - italienisch)
und Strassen (meistens) nur den ladinischen Namen im name tag haben.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Andy Townsend]

On 01/11/2017 13:43, Pierre Béland wrote:
Nice, I often had problems while editing or validating in countries 
with non latin alphabet. Will this be automaticly overlayed to the map 
based on your language option ?


I was being facetious of course - it's just the "Transport" map as seen 
at osm.org.  Actually what I normally use is a map-site that allows you 
to switch between layers including the openstreetmap.de ones (such as 
https://a.tile.openstreetmap.de/tiles/osmde/5/20/12.png .


The slightly more serious point that I was trying to make was that one 
map style can't do everything - if you want to see latin (script, not 
language) names there are options available for you to do that right 
now.  I quite like the idea that the "standard" map tries to use the 
local language and doesn't impose one culture's view of what things 
should be called - and using Latin (the language) worldwide is of course 
not really any different to that - if you truly wanted a "language that 
has been in use for a long time and is spoken by a lot of people" you'd 
pick a version of Chinese.


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[OSRM-talk] Released OSRM 5.13

[Patrick Niklaus]

Hey,

This release has some exciting new features: We know have relation
support in the lua profiles, and support using location dependent
data. In addition to that we deprecated CoreCH, since MLD is superior.

  - Changes from 5.12:
- Profile:
  - Append cardinal directions from route relations to ref fields
to improve instructions; off by default see
`profile.cardinal_directions`
  - Support of `distance` weight in foot and bicycle profiles
  - Support of relations processing
  - Added `way:get_location_tag(key)` method to get
location-dependent tags
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/wiki/Using-location-dependent-data-in-profiles
  - Added `forward_ref` and `backward_ref` support
  - Left-side driving mode is specified by a local Boolean flag
`is_left_hand_driving` in `ExtractionWay` and `ExtractionTurn`
  - Support literal values for maxspeeds in NO, PL and ZA
- Infrastructure:
  - Lua 5.1 support is removed due to lack of support in sol2
https://github.com/ThePhD/sol2/issues/302
  - Fixed pkg-config version of OSRM
  - Removed `.osrm.core` file since CoreCH is deprecated now.
- Tools:
  - Because of boost/program_options#32 with boost 1.65+ we needed
to change the behavior of the following flags to not accept
`={true|false}` anymore:
- `--use-locations-cache=false` becomes `--disable-location-cache`
- `--parse-conditional-restrictions=true` becomes
`--parse-conditional-restrictions`
- The deprecated options `--use-level-cache` and
`--generate-edge-lookup`
- Bugfixes:
  - Fixed #4348: Some cases of sliproads pre-processing were broken
  - Fixed #4331: Correctly compute left/right modifiers of forks
in case the fork is curved.
  - Fixed #4472: Correctly count the number of lanes using the
delimter in `turn:lanes` tag.
  - Fixed #4214: Multiple runs of `osrm-partition` lead to crash.
  - Fixed #4348: Fix assorted problems around slip roads.
  - Fixed #4420: A bug that would result in unnecessary
instructions, due to problems in suffix/prefix detection
- Algorithm
  - Deprecate CoreCH functionality. Usage of CoreCH specific
options will fall back to using CH with core_factor of 1.0
  - MLD uses a unidirectional Dijkstra for 1-to-N and N-to-1
matrices which yields speedup.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Daniel Koć]

W dniu 01.11.2017 o 14:36, Andy Townsend pisze:

On 01/11/2017 13:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
Still, the OSM map remains unusable on the global scale. For 
instance, I read an article about the new railroad North-South. I 
wanted to see it on the OSM map but I could not even find Iran on the 
map. 


Works for me:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/31.887/52.844=T


Only to some degree - try to see Beijing here on z5 and z6:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/25248662#map=5/38.273/117.400=T

You can report it to Andy, of course, but I'm sure there are more cases 
like this.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Pierre Béland]

Nice, I often had problems while editing or validating in countries with non 
latin alphabet. Will this be automaticly overlayed to the map based on your 
language option ?

 
Pierre 
 

Le mercredi 1 novembre 2017 09:38:15 HAE, Andy Townsend  
a écrit :  
 
 On 01/11/2017 13:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
> Still, the OSM map remains unusable on the global scale. For instance, 
> I read an article about the new railroad North-South. I wanted to see 
> it on the OSM map but I could not even find Iran on the map. 

Works for me:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/31.887/52.844=T

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Andy Townsend]

On 01/11/2017 13:28, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
Still, the OSM map remains unusable on the global scale. For instance, 
I read an article about the new railroad North-South. I wanted to see 
it on the OSM map but I could not even find Iran on the map. 


Works for me:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/31.887/52.844=T

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

On 22.10.17 03:22, Matthijs Melissen wrote:

On 24 September 2017 at 23:01, Matthijs Melissen
 wrote:

I would like to ask for your opinion on the choice of language used in
the Default map on openstreetmap.org.

Thank you all for your contributions to the discussion. It seems that
the current choice, rendering local names only, is the preferred
option for most of you. We'll therefore leave the rendering unchanged.

-- Matthijs

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Still, the OSM map remains unusable on the global scale. For instance, I 
read an article about the new railroad North-South. I wanted to see it 
on the OSM map but I could not even find Iran on the map.


There is a code for the Lingua Latina (Latin language) in the ISO 639-1, 
which is used at the OSM. It is "la" [1]. It is an ancient language so 
modern political controversies would not be reflected on it.


It is not necessary to show a name in the Latin alphabet for each town 
or village. That is why only if the name:la=* in the Latin language 
added, only then it would be rendered on the map. At least a country 
name and major cities.


Irania [2] and Teheranum [3] would be good enough to me.

A would-be future vector map, probably, is not a a good solution, as it 
does not use the principle of precalculation. The Latin language has 
been used for centuries in science (including geography and 
cartography). Its popularity is growing nowadays.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes

[2] https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irania

[3] https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teheranum

Best regards,

Oleksiy

P.S. There is no code for the ancient Greek in the ISO 639-1, and there 
is no Wikipedia in ancient Greek.



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Re: [Talk-ca] Disconnected addresses

[Pierre Béland]

Stewart C. Russell> * Looks like some heuristics got to Mackinac Crescent and 
made it the
> faux-Scottish MacKinac Crescent. Even in Scotland we don't bother trying
> to normalize Mac/Mc/mac /M' variants.

La variante amérindienne : Il y a aussi Mekinac. Au Québec, 
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Importation - Canvec, les chemins Interpolation sont souvent coupés à la 
bordure des tuiles Canvec. Il faut corriger en fusionnant les deux segments. Un 
petit truc pour trouver ces segments, le chemin n'a qu'un noeud enfant. Voici 
le filtre JOSM pour les repérer :child(type:way & "addr:interpolation":) AND 
(nth:0 OR nth:-0) AND -"addr:housenumber":
 
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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Richard]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 12:02:10AM +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote:
> Am 31.10.2017 um 14:59 schrieb Richard:
> >Ich halte es für ziemlich absurd wenn plötzlich für Kittenhausen/92342 ein
> >name:ja auftauchen sollte. Die wenigen Japaner die sich in die Ecke
> >verirren werden sich darüber kaum freuen und so ein Name kann eigentlich
> >nur ein vanity name, Hoax oder "Raubkopie" sein.
> 
> Woher willst Du das denn wissen? Vielleicht sind irgendwelche Japaner da im
> Urlaub und erhalten Besuch von Ihren japanischen Freunden oder
> [was-auch-immer]. Warum grundlos ausschliessen? Warum irgendwelche Annahmen
> treffen die jetzt im Moment speziell für Dich logisch erscheinen, aber
> völlig unnötig und ohne Grund sind?

mal angenommen es gäbe dort ein nettes Japanisches Restaurant und der
tüchtiger Eigentümer erfindet einen Namen um Aufmerksamkeit von Japanischen
oder anderen Touristen anzuziehen oder einfach als Vanity Namen.
Findest Du das gut?

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Richard]

On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 09:31:59AM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Am 31. Oktober 2017 um 14:59 schrieb Richard :
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:06:24PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > > Am 27. Oktober 2017 um 16:00 schrieb Richard :
> > >
> > > > Zumindest sollte klar sein, daß irgendwelche ausländischen Namen nicht
> > ins
> > > > name:XX gehören sofern nicht die Mehrheit von/aus XX den Ort unter
> > diesem
> > > > Namen kennt. Und wenn die Mehrheit von XX den Ort überhaupt nicht kennt
> > > > ganz sicher auch nicht.
> > >
> > > aha? Das sind ja interessante neue Regeln, wie kommst Du darauf, dass die
> > > Mehrheit der Muttersprachler einer Sprache einen Ort kennen muss, damit
> > er
> > > damit getaggt werden darf? Soll ich jetzt z.B. den Namen von Breitenholz
> > im
> > > Landkreis Tübingen entfernen, weil das von den Deutschsprechern kaum
> > einer
> > > kennt?
> >
> > gilt für name:XX, nicht für "name".
> >
> 
> 
> name:XX ist in bilingualen Gebieten (trifft auf Breitenholz nicht zu)
> teilweise der einzige Name-tag.

dort sind es auch offizielle Namen und es gibt keine Probleme mit
Vanity-mapping usw.

> > Ich halte es für ziemlich absurd wenn plötzlich für Kittenhausen/92342 ein
> > name:ja auftauchen sollte. Die wenigen Japaner die sich in die Ecke
> > verirren werden sich darüber kaum freuen und so ein Name kann eigentlich
> > nur ein vanity name, Hoax oder "Raubkopie" sein. Ähnlich ist es bei
> > vielen Namen aus dem Kaiserreich und dem 2ten Weltkrieg, da wurden
> > auch sehr viele Namen frei erfunden nur um "Deutsche" Namen zu haben,
> > diese sind de-facto (c) des Erfinders.. auch wenn das (c) inzwischen
> > vermutlich abgelaufen ist.
> >
> 
> 
> nicht vergleichbar. Wenn im Kaiserreich jemand einen Namen erfunden hat,
> dann war er nicht der einzige, der in verwendet hat. Diese Namen finden
> sich in alten Büchern und Karten, auf Fotos von Schildern, zum Beispiel.

keineswegs. Zum Glück sind die Namen die einmalig erfunden und schnell wieder
verschwunden sind ... eben vergessen.
Es könnte uns aber sehr wohl passieren, daß irgendjemand eine Karte aus
dem Jahre 1860 findet mit jeder Menge Namen die nur auf dieser einen
Karte jemals verwendet wurden und anfängt diese brav in OSM einzutragen.
 
> Erstens - Nachprüfbarkeit. Wer sagt mir, daß ein Name tatsächlich irgendeine
> > Relevanz besitzt und nicht frei erfunden ist?
> >
> 
> 
> wer das in Frage stellt, kann ja eigene Nachforschungen anstellen und ggf.
> den Urheber nach den Quellen fragen, falls er wirklich nichts findet.

habe ich schon mal gemacht. Aber Namen die als "name" oder "name:XX" stehen
sollten imho LEICHT verifizierbar sein und kein Studium der Geschichtsbücher 
erfordern.

> > Zweitens - wenn man etwas exotisches mappt (also Namen die nicht auf
> > offiziellen
> > Schildern oder in der Fremdenverkehrsamtwerbung auftauchen) sollte man
> > sowas tatsächlich beachten - mit Augenmaß natürlich.
> > Wenn unsicher würde ich eher alt_name:XX loc_name:XX o.Ä. verwenden als
> > name:XX

> loc_name:xx kommt mir etwas merkwürdig vor, ein nur lokal verwendeter Name,
> der aber in einer nicht-einheimischen Sprache ist?

durchaus einheimische Sprachen in Sprachinseln.

> > Es gibt wohl sehr viele Orte auf der Welt die Deutsche Namen haben die
> > heute in Deutschland überwiegend unter ihren z.B. Italienischen Namen
> > bekannt sind.. sagen wir im Trentino.

> weiss nicht, im Trentino nutzen die deutschsprachigen Bewohner ganz
> natürlich deutsche Namen, offizielle Dokumente sind dort, wo
> Zweisprachigkeit offiziell ist, auch zweisprachig, inklusive der Namen.

Zweischprachigkeit im Trentino? Nun ja, vielleicht theoretisch.
Es gibt diverse Sprachinseln und das Zymbrische aber auch viele Orte
die m.W. niemals eine nennenswerte Deutsche Minderheit oder einen
gebräuchlichen Deutschen Namen hatten.

> > Eventuell sind in angrenzenden
> > deutschprachigen Gebieten teilweise noch die Namen aus dem Kaiserreich
> > bekannt bzw gebräuchlich. Was macht man damit?
>  
> name:de
> Wenn die Namen gebräuchlich sind, ist das ja keine Frage. Wenn sie bekannt
> aber nicht gebräuchlich sind, würde ich sehen, ob es alternative deutsche
> Namen gibt, die gebräuchlich sind, in dem Fall würden die ersteren in
> old_name:de gehen, anderenfalls in name:de. 

soweit volle Zustimmung. Und wenn es keinen deutschen Namen der gebräuchlich 
ist gibt lässt man es eben.

> Wenn man die deutschen Namen in
> Gebieten wie Westpolen in old_name ohne de: setzen würde, könnte das
> wiederum leicht als Revisionismus interpretiert werden, obwohl es ggf.
> semantisch korrekt wäre, d.h. ich würde es aus politischen Gründen eher
> nicht machen.

in der Tat sind einige Polnische Namen dort einfach aus dem nichts erfunden,
an diesen Stellen könnte man auf das ":de" im old_name verzichten. Abgesehen 
von der Politik sehe ich es aber im Einzelfall als schwer überprüfbar ob es 
den Polnischen/Slawischen Namen nicht doch schon mal im 

Re: [Talk-cz] Talk-cz Digest, Vol 128, Issue 1

[majka]

Jenže to asi není ono, resp. to je až další krok. My nepotřebujeme
systém pro organizaci překladů, ani systém pro překlad samotný, ale
systém pro zachycení změn na původních stránkách, které už přeložené
jsou. Tedy nejprve zjistit, co je vlastně třeba udělat.

Bohužel netuším, co z hotového (ideálně open source) software by
rozumně umělo postihnout wiki tímhle způsobem.

2017-11-01 12:51 GMT+01:00  :
> Ahoj
> Pro lokalizaci textů doporučuju Trello Board
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Re: [Talk-cz] Talk-cz Digest, Vol 128, Issue 1

[ludek.kuehr]

Ahoj
Pro lokalizaci textů doporučuju Trello Board 

Struktura sloupců podle postupných kroků:
- překládaný text (odkaz na originál)  - překlad (s odkazem na překlad) - 
kontrola věcná - ??? kontrola - připraveno ke zveřejnění  - zveřejněno. 
Překlad se dá rozdělit podle jednotlivých článků, odkazů textů a třeba barevně 
přidělit jednotlivým lidem nebo odlišit jazyky. Strukturu je potřeba si 
rozmyslet dopředu 
Jak se pak po dokončení každého kroku posunují listy s boardu je dobře vidět, 
kolik toho ještě zbývá.
Luděk 

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:33:56 +0100
From: majka 
To: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-cz] Nastal čas na kontrolu překladů
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney OSM Workshop

[Andrew Harvey]

Thanks Cameron. I spoke at Georabble a while back about mapping in OSM
already. At the moment I'm seeing if anyone has anything they wanted to
showcase/talk about, or if who are interested in being involved on the
organising side. Once we've locked in the venue and date etc. I'll announce
details for those looking to come along.

On 1 November 2017 at 20:33, Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> Re Finding interested people for an Open Street Map event:
>
> I suggest reaching out to the GeoRabble folks and ask them when they have
> their next speaking night.
> You could give a 5 minute pitch to attract people interested in setting up
> a mapping event.
> https://georabble.org/
>
> I'm also CCing the Austrailan QGIS users group where you will likely find
> a few interested GIS folks.
>
> Cheers, Cameron
>
> On 1/11/17 11:15 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> I've been keen to organise a workshop in Sydney around OpenStreetMap and
> looking to make it happen later this month.
>
> 1. To help get more people involved with OSM, as both:
> a) contributors and,
> b) consumers
>
> 2. Provide an opportunity for people to share what they are up to with OSM
> both:
> a) mapping related and,
> b) things being built with OSM
>
> 3. Provide a place for the local OSM community (both mappers and
> consumers) to network and socialise
>
> Perth has http://geogeeks.org/
> Melbourne has https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/Maptime-Melbourne/
> Brisbane has had some mapathon/mapping parties recently
>
> I'm thinking of something similar in Sydney mixed between talks,
> socialising and hands on workshops.
>
> To this end "Maptime" is one brand to run it under, and at least initially
> I've been talking with someone else who want's to run a Maptime event in
> Sydney to run one around OSM.
>
> Is anyone else interested in seeing this happen? I'm interested to hear
> from anyone who's also keen on this.
>
> At this stage it will be a weekday evening in the CDB (we have two venue
> options for around 15-20 people in a workshop setting) sometime the week of
> the 20th. I was planning on doing an intro to OSM, but is anyone interested
> in giving a short talk, demo or workshop as part of this?
>
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Ediciones problemáticas usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola,

Me he tomado la libertad de exportar las ediciones de este usuario a un
archivo OSM/XML en mi Google Drive [0] que dejaré para quien quiera hacerse
cargo.

Ahora quedaría revertir sus ediciones, ¿quien quiere hacerse cargo?
¿Rodrigo?

Ya direis, un vistazo rápido a los datos en JOSM [1] lleva a ver que hay
una gran cantidad de nodos que parece haber sido importados de alguna otra
fuente.

Le he dejado un mensaje público en su último conjunto de cambios [2] para
ponerle de sobreaviso de que de explicaciones o revertiremos ediciones.

Un saludo

Miguel

[0]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6-KA-5si57denBHUUhrVnZhLXc/view?usp=sharing
[1] https://imgur.com/PHcD2YK
[2]
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52994764#map=19/43.13726/-8.76221=N

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2017-11-01 0:02 GMT+01:00 Miguel Sevilla-Callejo :

> Hola,
>
> Así, a bote pronto, lo que se me ocurre es revertir todas sus ediciones
> pero antes, por si acaso, ya que tienes la consulta de overpass, salvar
> esas ediciones y si quiere, se le ofrece al propio usuario para que las
> revise y si acaso las vuelva a incluir pero correctamente.
>
> Si comprobamos que se trata de vandalismo pues habría que ponerlo en
> conocimiento del DWG.
>
> Un saludo
>
> Miguel
>
> --
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> Doctor en Geografía
>
> 2017-10-31 21:26 GMT+01:00 Rodrigo Rega :
>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Me he encontrado con que el usuario JUANBARDANCA88HD [1] ha añadido
>> contenido al mapa que no es correcto. Entiendo que no es un caso de
>> vandalismo, si no de desconocimiento.
>>
>> Entre los problemas que he detectado están:
>> - Múltiples nodos en la misma zona etiquetados como "name=monte,
>> place=locality" [2].
>> - Múltiples puntos sin etiquetas: [3,4].
>>
>> Me he puesto en contacto con el usuario vía mensajería de OSM para
>> informarle de esta problemática y para tratar de que no siga añadiendo
>> datos erróneos.
>>
>> Podría proceder a arreglar estos problemas o hacer revert, pero son unos
>> 2.600 conjuntos de cambios (todos hechos durante un mes). Por lo que no
>> tengo recursos para poder hacer tantas revisiones.
>>
>> ¿Procedería acudir al DWG para que apliquen una solución técnica a estos
>> datos incorrectos? ¿Actuamos desde la comunidad local?
>>
>> Dejo por aquí una consulta de overpass para ver sus ediciones: [5].
>>
>> Un saludo.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JUANBARDANCA88HD
>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1718/-8.7415=ND
>> [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.1738/-8.8096=ND
>> [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5170078692#map=16/43.1
>> 829/-8.7354=ND
>> [5] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sHZ
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Fra Mauro]

> attenzione, che tasto o rubinetto non 
> sarebbe un valore per questo tag 
> "fountain", ma per un altro tag ancora.

Vero. Era un tentativo di descrizione sintetica del tipo di fontanella in foto 

> Similmente non sono sicuro se 
> "spruzzare acqua in alto" va bene per la
> chiave "fountain", forse anche lì 
> bisognerebbe creare un altro sottotag 
> (tanto qui a Roma non ci sono)

Anche qui è un problema di descrizione sintetica. È quel tipo di fontanella con 
una sorta di "piatto" sopra che raccoglie l'acqua e un ugello che spruzza più o 
meno a 45 gradi. Possono essere con o senza rubinetto. 
A Roma sono presenti nel complesso della città universitaria La Sapienza

Alcuni esempi:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_fountain#/media/File%3ABubbler.jpg

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.qJgwhN01IF7xgle3fe7YyAD6D6%26pid%3D15.1=1


Il 1 Novembre 2017 11:36:43 CET, Martin Koppenhoefer  
ha scritto:
>2017-11-01 11:08 GMT+01:00 Fra Mauro :
>
>> Quando ne abbiamo discusso nell'incontro a Roma l'idea era di
>definire un
>> "fountain" per ogni tipo di fontanella, soprattutto quelle più
>interessanti
>> o con posizione per bere più particolare.
>>
>> Alcuni altri tipi di fontanelle di cui abbiamo parlato:
>> *Quelle che riutilizzano un antico sarcofago:
>> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.
>> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.uNFpud-bfKAAJBSCp7zAdgFNC7%26pid%3D15.1=1
>> A Roma ce ne sono un po'
>> * quelle con "Il lupo"
>> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.
>> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.AsqATiPiuzY5pklOpExlagDBEM%26pid%3D15.1=1
>> Anche queste romane
>> * quelle con tasto o rubinetto
>> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.
>> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.EITDO3mBBGPYhh9l0AK3OQHDHg%26pid%3D15.1=1
>> * quelle che spruzzano in alto ad arco (beverini?)
>> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.
>> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YEu5QBx5KKIXEfN8XrvVXwDZEs%26pid%3D15.1=1
>>
>> Sarebbe interessante definire un valore per ognuna, considerando
>anche che
>> in qualche caso ci potrebbero essere problemi di accessibilità per
>alcuni
>> portatori di handicap
>>
>
>
>attenzione, che tasto o rubinetto non sarebbe un valore per questo tag
>"fountain", ma per un altro tag ancora. I tasti e rubinetti possono
>trovarsi a qualsiasi (quasi) tipo di fontanella. Con "tipo" intendiamo
>un
>modello / una forma distinta.
>Similmente non sono sicuro se "spruzzare acqua in alto" va bene per la
>chiave "fountain", forse anche lì bisognerebbe creare un altro sottotag
>(tanto qui a Roma non ci sono)
>
>Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Meeting 25th Nov

[Donal Hunt]

Thanks for keeping us informed. Fingers crossed the 2nd works out for
everyone.

Donal

On 1 Nov 2017 10:54, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:

> Hey, I had something come up for the 25th so i resubmited the proposal for
> the 2nd as it was the other option to meet.
>
> Tadeusz
>
> On 21 Oct 2017 9:08 PM, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
>
> > If there are no objections to Sat Nov 25th, from 10am to 4pm, in the next
> > couple of days I will submit the proposal.
> > Tad
> >
> > On 21 October 2017 at 17:48, Dave Corley  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tadeusz,
> >>
> >> That's great.
> >>
> >> I think the hours today worked well, the finish was early and a break at
> >> the half way point for lunch was good. I'd suggest the same 10-4 again
> >>
> >> Thanks again to Tog for hosting
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On 21 Oct 2017 17:15, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks everyone who came to the meeting to organise OSM Ireland. Tog
> is
> >> > free on the 25th Nov. If the group are ok with that date I can submit
> a
> >> > proposal.
> >> >
> >> > What time should be put down to start and finish.
> >> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Meeting 25th Nov

[Tadeusz Cantwell]

Hey, I had something come up for the 25th so i resubmited the proposal for
the 2nd as it was the other option to meet.

Tadeusz

On 21 Oct 2017 9:08 PM, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:

> If there are no objections to Sat Nov 25th, from 10am to 4pm, in the next
> couple of days I will submit the proposal.
> Tad
>
> On 21 October 2017 at 17:48, Dave Corley  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tadeusz,
>>
>> That's great.
>>
>> I think the hours today worked well, the finish was early and a break at
>> the half way point for lunch was good. I'd suggest the same 10-4 again
>>
>> Thanks again to Tog for hosting
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2017 17:15, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks everyone who came to the meeting to organise OSM Ireland. Tog is
>> > free on the 25th Nov. If the group are ok with that date I can submit a
>> > proposal.
>> >
>> > What time should be put down to start and finish.
>> >
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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 11:08 GMT+01:00 Fra Mauro :

> Quando ne abbiamo discusso nell'incontro a Roma l'idea era di definire un
> "fountain" per ogni tipo di fontanella, soprattutto quelle più interessanti
> o con posizione per bere più particolare.
>
> Alcuni altri tipi di fontanelle di cui abbiamo parlato:
> *Quelle che riutilizzano un antico sarcofago:
> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.
> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.uNFpud-bfKAAJBSCp7zAdgFNC7%26pid%3D15.1=1
> A Roma ce ne sono un po'
> * quelle con "Il lupo"
> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.
> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.AsqATiPiuzY5pklOpExlagDBEM%26pid%3D15.1=1
> Anche queste romane
> * quelle con tasto o rubinetto
> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.
> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.EITDO3mBBGPYhh9l0AK3OQHDHg%26pid%3D15.1=1
> * quelle che spruzzano in alto ad arco (beverini?)
> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.
> bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YEu5QBx5KKIXEfN8XrvVXwDZEs%26pid%3D15.1=1
>
> Sarebbe interessante definire un valore per ognuna, considerando anche che
> in qualche caso ci potrebbero essere problemi di accessibilità per alcuni
> portatori di handicap
>


attenzione, che tasto o rubinetto non sarebbe un valore per questo tag
"fountain", ma per un altro tag ancora. I tasti e rubinetti possono
trovarsi a qualsiasi (quasi) tipo di fontanella. Con "tipo" intendiamo un
modello / una forma distinta.
Similmente non sono sicuro se "spruzzare acqua in alto" va bene per la
chiave "fountain", forse anche lì bisognerebbe creare un altro sottotag
(tanto qui a Roma non ci sono)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[Pavel Zbytovský]

Možná by stálo za to importovat i přímo ty datasety s přesným vymezením zón
- viz třeba [1]. Přijde mi to užitečnější než jen informace je v ulici
tahle zóna/není, u náměstí apod je to dost nedostačující.
btw, mapy.cz právě tyhle data při přiblížení ukazujou

Pavel

[1] http://opendata.praha.eu/dataset/ipr-zony_placeneho_stani_nove__2016



Dne 1. listopadu 2017 10:23 majka  napsal(a):

> Znovu dotaz k mapování parkovacích zón. Máme nějak vymyšlené?
> Totéž odstavná parkoviště, tedy park & ride, značí se nějak extra?
>
> Ode dneška i na České Budějovice dorazil modrý mor, takže to začíná
> být aktuální.
>
> Našla jsem několik metod, kdy to každý zkouší po svém, a nerendruje se
> samozřejmě nic...
>
> Zatím by bylo možná řešení udělat to tak, jak se nemá - udělat relaci
> pro seskupení ulic, dát tagy jak na ní tak i na ulice samotné. V
> případě, že jednou začnou ty relace rozumně fungovat, by se daly ty
> "nadbytečné" tagy na cestách odmazat.
>
> Díky za rady a nápady,
>
> Majka
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Re: [Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[Jan Martinec]

On 11/01/17 10:23, majka wrote:

Znovu dotaz k mapování parkovacích zón. Máme nějak vymyšlené?
Totéž odstavná parkoviště, tedy park & ride, značí se nějak extra?

Parkovací zóny nevím, ale v presetech k JOSMu je park_ride=[yes]; sice 
to - pokud vím - nikdo nerenderuje, ale jde to vyfiltrovat, minimálně 
OsmAnd to má jako kategorii zvlášť při hledání parkování.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:amenity%3Dparking


Ode dneška i na České Budějovice dorazil modrý mor, takže to začíná
být aktuální.

Našla jsem několik metod, kdy to každý zkouší po svém, a nerendruje se
samozřejmě nic...

Zatím by bylo možná řešení udělat to tak, jak se nemá - udělat relaci
pro seskupení ulic, dát tagy jak na ní tak i na ulice samotné. V
případě, že jednou začnou ty relace rozumně fungovat, by se daly ty
"nadbytečné" tagy na cestách odmazat.

Díky za rady a nápady,

Majka
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Re: [Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[majka]

Jo, poslední Osmand mile překvapil - live změny jsou opravdu live
(během pár minut), rendruje kde co. Momentálně to používám na
odkontrolování změn, které nahrávám. Jen netuším, zda to, co Osmand
pobere, mám brát jako standard.

2017-11-01 10:56 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík :
> Jsem si skoro jistý že i vyrenderované jsem to někde viděl, akorát teď
> nevím, jestli to bylo v OsmAndu nebo kde.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Fra Mauro]

Quando ne abbiamo discusso nell'incontro a Roma l'idea era di definire un 
"fountain" per ogni tipo di fontanella, soprattutto quelle più interessanti o 
con posizione per bere più particolare.

Alcuni altri tipi di fontanelle di cui abbiamo parlato:
*Quelle che riutilizzano un antico sarcofago:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.uNFpud-bfKAAJBSCp7zAdgFNC7%26pid%3D15.1=1
A Roma ce ne sono un po'
* quelle con "Il lupo"
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.AsqATiPiuzY5pklOpExlagDBEM%26pid%3D15.1=1
Anche queste romane 
* quelle con tasto o rubinetto
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.EITDO3mBBGPYhh9l0AK3OQHDHg%26pid%3D15.1=1
* quelle che spruzzano in alto ad arco (beverini?) 
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.YEu5QBx5KKIXEfN8XrvVXwDZEs%26pid%3D15.1=1

Sarebbe interessante definire un valore per ognuna, considerando anche che in 
qualche caso ci potrebbero essere problemi di accessibilità per alcuni 
portatori di handicap

Il 1 Novembre 2017 10:01:42 CET, Martin Koppenhoefer  
ha scritto:
>2017-11-01 9:52 GMT+01:00 Aury88 :
>
>
>> Domanda: pensi sia utile fare lo stesso discorso per le fontane tipo
>> "toret"?
>
>
>
>si, mi piacerebbe
>
>
>
>
>> ho visto che in piemonte viene messo "Toret" come value dei tag
>> artwork_type e name per le fontanelle...li cosa si dovrebbe fare
>secondo il
>> nuovo schema? rimuovere entrambi i tag e mettere fountain=toret o
>> aggiungere
>> semplicemente fountain=toret?
>>
>
>
>
>per me, ne "name" (che non è un nome individuale) ne artwork_type (che
>non
>le vedo "arte") sarebbe pertinenti, ma fossi in te non rimuoverei
>niente in
>massa, casomai, inizia una discussione locale e provvedete insieme.
>D'altro
>canto parliamo di 16 istanze di artwork_type, quindi potresti scrivere
>all'autore agli autori.
>+1 per fountain=toret (dopo che lo usate, mettetelo pure nel wiki).
>
>
>
>> servirebbe un parere dalla lista piemontese...quel tag name, a
>prescindere
>> dal nuovo schema, non mi convince...è come se taggassimo con
>> "name=fontanella". chiedo perchè da wikipedia sembra solo un modo
>comune di
>> indicare certe fontanelle, non un loro nome proprio.
>>
>
>+1
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Re: [Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[Michal Fabík]

2017-11-01 10:23 GMT+01:00 majka :
> Totéž odstavná parkoviště, tedy park & ride, značí se nějak extra?

Ahoj,
amenity=parking+park_ride=yes|train|bus|... nefunguje?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking

Jsem si skoro jistý že i vyrenderované jsem to někde viděl, akorát teď
nevím, jestli to bylo v OsmAndu nebo kde.

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Re: [Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 10:41 GMT+01:00 demon.box :

> dieterdreist wrote
> > 10°17'00" = 10°17.0'
>
> appunto! in questo caso (e non capisco il perchè) il convertitore sbaglia:
>
> dovrebbe dare 10°17.0 e non 10°16.1
>
> chissà perchè.




non lo usare quel convertitore, dividere per 60 o 3600 lo puoi fare anche
da solo ;-)

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Re: [Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> 10°17'00" = 10°17.0'

appunto! in questo caso (e non capisco il perchè) il convertitore sbaglia:

dovrebbe dare 10°17.0 e non 10°16.1

chissà perchè.

grazie

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Puoi anche considerare di non fare tutto da solo. Se spezzi i dati
filtrati/selezionati della regione (=dati potenzialmente utili) in dei
"pacchetti" piccoli e li metti nella wiki di OSM nel progetto Puglia, puoi
vedere se c'è qualcuno che ti aiuta ad importartli (perché la parte
complicata è quella della "conflation", non quella della conversione).

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Re: [talk-au] Sydney OSM Workshop

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi Andrew,

Re Finding interested people for an Open Street Map event:

I suggest reaching out to the GeoRabble folks and ask them when they 
have their next speaking night.
You could give a 5 minute pitch to attract people interested in setting 
up a mapping event.

https://georabble.org/

I'm also CCing the Austrailan QGIS users group where you will likely 
find a few interested GIS folks.


Cheers, Cameron


On 1/11/17 11:15 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
I've been keen to organise a workshop in Sydney around OpenStreetMap 
and looking to make it happen later this month.


1. To help get more people involved with OSM, as both:
a) contributors and,
b) consumers

2. Provide an opportunity for people to share what they are up to with 
OSM both:

a) mapping related and,
b) things being built with OSM

3. Provide a place for the local OSM community (both mappers and 
consumers) to network and socialise


Perth has http://geogeeks.org/
Melbourne has https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/Maptime-Melbourne/
Brisbane has had some mapathon/mapping parties recently

I'm thinking of something similar in Sydney mixed between talks, 
socialising and hands on workshops.


To this end "Maptime" is one brand to run it under, and at least 
initially I've been talking with someone else who want's to run a 
Maptime event in Sydney to run one around OSM.


Is anyone else interested in seeing this happen? I'm interested to 
hear from anyone who's also keen on this.


At this stage it will be a weekday evening in the CDB (we have two 
venue options for around 15-20 people in a workshop setting) sometime 
the week of the 20th. I was planning on doing an intro to OSM, but is 
anyone interested in giving a short talk, demo or workshop as part of 
this?




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Re: [Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 demon.box :

> dieterdreist wrote
> > decimale = XX + YY/60 + ZZ/3600
> >
> > quindi 45°37'10" = 45,619444
>
> ok, ma da qui ad ottenere il formato gps come faccio?




Uguale, se vuoi convertire soltanto i secondi in minuti:

XX°YY+ZZ/60

45°37'10" = 45°37.1'

10°17'00" = 10°17.0'

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Maurizio Napolitano]

2017-10-31 15:47 GMT+01:00 Luca Riccardi :
>
>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> sono Luca, vi contatto poiché facendo fede a quanto scritto nelle linee guida 
> presenti nella wiki di OSM, vi è la possibilità di aggiungere ai dati di OSM, 
> potenziali nuovi dati relativi a punti di interesse e attrazioni turistiche  
> come: chiese, cattedrali, monumenti, opere d'arte, ristoranti, centri di 
> informazione turistici, etc.. localizzate nella regione Puglia. Dati presenti 
> in dataset consolidati e verificati (Digital Library e OpenData) che possano 
> aiutare l'utente finale a individuare i suoi interessi su OSM.

Ciao Luca
di recente ho ricevuto una telefonata in cui mi si chiedeva
informazioni in merito a questa operazione.
Immagino tu sia legato al contesto :)

Detto questo, come tutti hanno già scritto, segui le linee guida ma in
inglese e, in particolare (come mi hanno segnalato di recente) scrivi
il piano che intendi seguire.
Consiglio anche di chiedere alla Regione Puglia di scrivere una
dichiarazione che permetta di riusare i danti dentro openstreetmap
(banali questioni di licenze).
Fa molta attenzione però perchè, i dati che vuoi inserire, potrebbero
essere già presenti in osm e magari strutturati in altro modo:
molto banalmente il dataset di digitali library della regione contiene
le coordinate di un punto mentre, in osm, quel punto potrebbe essere
rappresentato da un poligono o anche da un insieme di poligoni.
Inoltre qualche dato potrebbe essere diverso o esteso (es. i nomi
ufficiali da quelli storici o popolari o in altra lingua)


> Per fare ciò vorrei avvalermi di uno script tipo bulk_import.py per caricare 
> un OSM XML. Poiché sono poco pratico vorrei sapere se il tool in questione 
> restituisse un qualche output (ovvero nodo OSM con cui il punto di interesse 
> è stato associato).


Ci sono tool di analisi di qualità.
Personalmente consiglio prima di estrarti i dati da osm per le
categorie che vai a controllare e farti una analisi offline di
confronto fra i dati guardando:
- mappatura dei tag rispetto alla struttura dati della regione
- comparazione fra valori (attenzione al caso dei nomi dove devi
guardare la somiglianza fra stringhe)
- entità geografica:
  se si tratta di un punto il consiglio è di creare dei buffer di una
misura ragionevole (5 metri?) e vedere se questi si intersecano,
oppure calcolare le distanze per capire poi se è il punto della
regione o in osm ad essere diverso (si tratta pur sempre di un punto e
quindi la modalità con cui è definito può essere diversa: ingresso,
posizione del civico, centro dell'edificio )
  se si tratta di poligoni andrei a verificare se il punto è tangente
(sempre facendo un buffer) all'edificio

Da qui riesci a scoprire quanti punti sono già presenti e quanti no.
In alternativa ti generi il file xml di osm, te lo carichi in josm, e
ti fai tutto il lavoro manualmente (aiuto!).


Ciao



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>
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>
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[Talk-cz] Modré parkovací zóny - jak mapovat?

[majka]

Znovu dotaz k mapování parkovacích zón. Máme nějak vymyšlené?
Totéž odstavná parkoviště, tedy park & ride, značí se nějak extra?

Ode dneška i na České Budějovice dorazil modrý mor, takže to začíná
být aktuální.

Našla jsem několik metod, kdy to každý zkouší po svém, a nerendruje se
samozřejmě nic...

Zatím by bylo možná řešení udělat to tak, jak se nemá - udělat relaci
pro seskupení ulic, dát tagy jak na ní tak i na ulice samotné. V
případě, že jednou začnou ty relace rozumně fungovat, by se daly ty
"nadbytečné" tagy na cestách odmazat.

Díky za rady a nápady,

Majka
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Re: [Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> decimale = XX + YY/60 + ZZ/3600
> 
> quindi 45°37'10" = 45,619444

ok, ma da qui ad ottenere il formato gps come faccio?

sei d'accordo che in formato gps la LATITUDINE corretta non è

10°16.1

ma 10°17. ?

grazie

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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión virtual sobre accesibilidad

[Carlos Cámara]

Buenas a todos,

Escribo un breve mensaje para recordaros que hoy, 1 de noviembre, de 21:30
a 22:30 tendrá lugar la reunión virtual sobre accesibilidad y OSM. Os
recuerdo datos importantes:

*Lugar:* https://matrix.to/#/#osm-es-reuniones:matrix.org (sala de
reuniones en riot. Se habilitará cuando llegue la hora)
*Hora:* 21:30-22:30 (hora peninsular española)
*Objetivo: *conocer quiénes estamos trabajando temas de accesibilidad en
OSM, ver qué hacemos y cómo lo hacemos.
*Propuesta de orden del día:*

   1. Presentación de los asistentes y vinculación/experiencia con
   accesibilidad y OSM
   2. Compartir metodologías de trabajo
   3. Compartir problemas/limitaciones detectados de la utilización de OSM
   para accesibilidad
   4. Otros temas.

Nos vemos en unas horas.

Carlos Cámara
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2017-10-25 22:59 GMT+02:00 Miguel Sevilla-Callejo :

> Enlaces recuperados desde la app de Riot del móvil:
>
> Sala general:
> https://matrix.to/#/#openstreetmap-es:matrix.org
>
> Sala de etiquetado:
> https://matrix.to/#/#osm-es-etiquetado:matrix.org
>
> Sala de reuniones (está de solo lectura a no ser que haya reunión y yo
> estoy entre los administradores):
> https://matrix.to/#/#osm-es-reuniones:matrix.org
>
> En esta última podemos hacer la reunión si os parece.
>
> Riot es una magnífica herramienta a ver si volvemos a darle uso.
>
> Un saludo
>
> --
>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
> from my mobile 
>
> El 25/10/2017 22:49, "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
> escribió:
>
>> Tenemos tres salas de riot, la general qué solía estar conectada con
>> Telegram (algún día lo solucionaremos) que creo que sigue conectada a IRC
>> (Si María), una de etiquetado que a penas se ha usado y otra de reuniones
>> organizadas (llevamos una temporada sin usar).
>>
>> Disculpad que no pase los enlaces, pues estoy en el móvil, pero están por
>> ahí.
>>
>> Yo propongo hacerla en la sala de reuniones.
>>
>> Un saludo
>>
>> --
>>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
>> from my mobile 
>>
>> El 25/10/2017 22:35, "María Arias de Reyna"  escribió:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-10-25 22:21 GMT+02:00 Carlos Cámara :
>>>
 Buenas a todos. Disculpad la demora en responder, pero esta semana se
 ha vuelto una locura contra todo pronóstico.

 Gracias a los que habéis votado. Tras ver todos los votos, no hay
 ninguna opción que venga bien a los 7 participantes, y el único día con 6/7
 votos es el 1 de noviembre de 21:30 a 22:30, con lo cual tenemos fecha y
 hora (Hora española peninsular). Entiendo que el lugar de reunión será la
 sala de Riot, pero no tengo experiencia en eso, así que decidme si voy
 errado o añadid la información necesaria.

>>>
>>> Hago una aparición estelar para decir "¿La sala de Riot no era un puente
>>> a irc?" y desaparezco otra vez detrás de una cortina de humo.
>>>
>>>

 Gracias Miguel por la propuesta de hacer entrada en la wiki. Tienes
 razón en que es lo más razonable y podemos usarla también para resumir lo
 tratado.

 Saludos,

 Carlos Cámara
 http://carloscamara.es

 2017-10-25 20:37 GMT+02:00 Johnattan Rupire :

> Muy interesante la iniciativa, yo también me sumaría a la reunión, le
> voy a avisando a otros interesados en Perú.
>
> Saludos!
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-11-01 9:52 GMT+01:00 Aury88 :


> Domanda: pensi sia utile fare lo stesso discorso per le fontane tipo
> "toret"?



si, mi piacerebbe




> ho visto che in piemonte viene messo "Toret" come value dei tag
> artwork_type e name per le fontanelle...li cosa si dovrebbe fare secondo il
> nuovo schema? rimuovere entrambi i tag e mettere fountain=toret o
> aggiungere
> semplicemente fountain=toret?
>



per me, ne "name" (che non è un nome individuale) ne artwork_type (che non
le vedo "arte") sarebbe pertinenti, ma fossi in te non rimuoverei niente in
massa, casomai, inizia una discussione locale e provvedete insieme. D'altro
canto parliamo di 16 istanze di artwork_type, quindi potresti scrivere
all'autore agli autori.
+1 per fountain=toret (dopo che lo usate, mettetelo pure nel wiki).



> servirebbe un parere dalla lista piemontese...quel tag name, a prescindere
> dal nuovo schema, non mi convince...è come se taggassimo con
> "name=fontanella". chiedo perchè da wikipedia sembra solo un modo comune di
> indicare certe fontanelle, non un loro nome proprio.
>

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Re: [Talk-es] Ediciones realizadas como función de un puesto de trabajo

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola

Creo que uUñna vez planteado el asunto a nivel de la comunidad española,
sería necesario que miremos a nivel global y busquemos, para empezar cómo
se ha tratado en la.lista general de OSM o en las particulares del DGW
para, de este modo, buscar el consenso y las directrices a nivel global.
Seguro ya se está trabajando sobre el tema allí.

Saludos

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El 1/11/2017 2:43, "Iván Hernández Cazorla"  escribió:

> Buenas Miguel,
> Totalmente de acuerdo. En OSM se trabaja con datos que son menos
> susceptibles a la subjetividad, a pesar de que haya algunos que lo puedan
> ser o a las propias descripciones. Fuese como fuese, si una tienda quiere
> agregarse, mientras lo haga bien y se atenga a las políticas, no hay ningún
> problema.
>
> Está bien distinguir entre esas dos categorías de ediciones que indicas.
> Aunque no sé exactamente en cuál de ellas se englobarían las ediciones que
> pretendo realizar en este proyecto. En mi caso, posiblemente trabaje
> bastantes elementos, pero no se realizarán ediciones en masa/importaciones.
> Todo será trabajo manual y verificado por mí mismo. Tampoco habrá más
> personas mapeando.
>
> De cara a este proyecto, la creación o no de un usuario dependerá
> principalmente de las preferencias que establezcamos en las próximas
> reuniones. Si, para ese entonces, OSM ha establecido que para estas
> cuestiones es necesario que se cree un usuario para el proyecto, se creará
> sí o sí. Expondré que ya no es una cuestión de que se prefiera una u otra
> manera, sino de que es una política. Hacerlo con uno u otro usuario no lo
> veo, en el caso de OSM, tan relevante. Ahora, sí creo que debe documentarse
> todo: objetivos, zona de trabajo, miembros ―en este caso yo― y el método de
> trabajo. También se podría llevar a cabo, como comenté en mi anterior
> correo, un diario de trabajo, ya sea en entradas del diario o en la wiki.
>
> Las ediciones que se hagan serán no solo de utilidad para OSM, sino
> también para el proyecto. En cuanto pueda les iré contando más. Solo sé que
> si todo va bien, puede quedar algo bastante interesante.
>
> De cara a otros proyectos. Creo que deberíamos aprovechar el empujón que
> ya ha dado la comunidad con la encuesta y el que estamos haciendo con este
> caso que les comento. Definir estas cuestiones y configurar un proceso
> estaría genial de cara a futuros casos. Si tuviésemos esa información en la
> wiki, podríamos redirigir a ella a todo aquel que esté interesado. Ya hay
> documentación relacionada con las importaciones [1] y, concretamente,
> existe una guía para realizarlas [2]. No sé si ya existe esto que comento.
> Al menos yo no he encontrado nada en la wiki. A excepción de la encuesta,
> que conocí gracias a Esther, poco más he leído.
>
> Por mi parte, siempre insistiré a las instituciones que utilicen OSM. Soy
> el «pesado» del conocimiento libre, siempre que puedo les suelto mi
> discurso sobre el conocimiento libre, su importancia y lo que aporta a la
> humanidad.
>
> Miguel, muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Me alegra saber que mi caso pueda
> servir para moldear esta cuestión. Y, lo dicho, en cuanto pueda les iré
> desvelando detalles; ya no por este tema, sino para que vayan conociendo el
> proyecto.
>
> Seguimos en contacto.
>
> Saludos, Iván
>
> [1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
> [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> On 30/10/17 10:33, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote:
>
>> Hola,
>>
>> Gracias Iván por lanzar esta cuestión para el debate y a Esther por traer
>> a colación documentos que yo desconocía.
>>
>> Creo muy necesario hacer una reflexión sobre el tema puesto que a
>> diferencia de Wikipedia, y por la naturaleza de los datos de OSM, las
>> aportaciones que se hagan sobre la base de datos espacial del proyecto
>> difieren. Y es que, a priori, los datos cartográficos/espaciales son más
>> objetivos que un texto de características enciclopédicas. O sea bajo unas
>> coordenadas habrá un elemento y no otro, por lo que, por ejemplo, es
>> difícil que alguien use OSM para promocionarse. Es más, si alguien quiere
>> dar visibilidad (publicidad) a, por ejemplo las tiendas/comercios de su
>> marca en OSM, sin entrar, claro en que se hagan ediciones incorrectas
>> (etiquetados aberrantes o introducción de elementos inexistentes), creo que
>> todo el mundo es bienvenido y las aportaciones serán agradecidas.
>>
>> Ahora bien, y centrándonos en las ediciones que pueden ser o no
>> remunertadas (yo las llamaría "ediciones patrocinadas"), bajo mi punto de
>> vista, hay que distinguir entre ediciones menores y ediciones mayores:
>>
>> - Las ediciones menores, aquellas de poco calado, con pocos elementos
>> implicados, creo que podrían no estar sujetas a ningún etiquetado especial.
>> Podría ser, por ejemplo, que los comerciantes de tu calle te pidan que
>> introduzcas los datos de sus negocios en OSM y te paguen por ello.
>> Sinceramente, si el 

Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Ti segnalo la pagine delle linee guide per import:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
(C'è una traduzione in italiano, ma nel dubbio la versione definitiva è
quella inglese)

E' assolutamente necessario seguire la procedura.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

[Aury88]

dieterdreist wrote
> Ciao a tutti,
> 
> segnalo che abbiamo ieri al incontro dei mappatori Romani, deciso di usare
> il (nuovo) tag
> 
> fountain=nasone
> 
> per i nasoni D.O.C.G.
> 
> Come concordato ieri, ho fatto anche un edit automatico per unificare le
> vari varianti preesistenti di questo tag, che sopratutto usano la chiave
> riservata "type" (in totale parliamo di circa 250 oggetti, tutti nell'area
> del Comune di Roma, e quasi tutti con il tag "vietato" "type").
> 
> Inoltre è stato aggiornata la documentazione nel wiki. Se avete mappato
> altri sottotipi di fontanelle, vi prego di considerare di uniformare i
> vostri tag sotto la chiave "fountain" (chiave pre-esistente).
> 
> Ho create la pagine fountain appositamente per documentare l'uso attuale:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fountain#values  (non ci sono
> ancora
> visibili le fontanelle).
> 
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Domanda: pensi sia utile fare lo stesso discorso per le fontane tipo
"toret"? ho visto che in piemonte viene messo "Toret" come value dei tag
artwork_type e name per le fontanelle...li cosa si dovrebbe fare secondo il
nuovo schema? rimuovere entrambi i tag e mettere fountain=toret o aggiungere
semplicemente fountain=toret?
servirebbe un parere dalla lista piemontese...quel tag name, a prescindere
dal nuovo schema, non mi convince...è come se taggassimo con
"name=fontanella". chiedo perchè da wikipedia sembra solo un modo comune di
indicare certe fontanelle, non un loro nome proprio.



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Re: [Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

La conversione non è difficile, basta sapere che ci sono 60 secondi in un
minuto e 60 minuti in un grado.

XX°YY'ZZ"

decimale = XX + YY/60 + ZZ/3600

quindi 45°37'10" = 45,619444

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Namens-Tags in Polen

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 31. Oktober 2017 um 14:59 schrieb Richard :

> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:06:24PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > Am 27. Oktober 2017 um 16:00 schrieb Richard :
> >
> > > Zumindest sollte klar sein, daß irgendwelche ausländischen Namen nicht
> ins
> > > name:XX gehören sofern nicht die Mehrheit von/aus XX den Ort unter
> diesem
> > > Namen kennt. Und wenn die Mehrheit von XX den Ort überhaupt nicht kennt
> > > ganz sicher auch nicht.
> >
> > aha? Das sind ja interessante neue Regeln, wie kommst Du darauf, dass die
> > Mehrheit der Muttersprachler einer Sprache einen Ort kennen muss, damit
> er
> > damit getaggt werden darf? Soll ich jetzt z.B. den Namen von Breitenholz
> im
> > Landkreis Tübingen entfernen, weil das von den Deutschsprechern kaum
> einer
> > kennt?
>
> gilt für name:XX, nicht für "name".
>


name:XX ist in bilingualen Gebieten (trifft auf Breitenholz nicht zu)
teilweise der einzige Name-tag.



>
> Ich halte es für ziemlich absurd wenn plötzlich für Kittenhausen/92342 ein
> name:ja auftauchen sollte. Die wenigen Japaner die sich in die Ecke
> verirren werden sich darüber kaum freuen und so ein Name kann eigentlich
> nur ein vanity name, Hoax oder "Raubkopie" sein. Ähnlich ist es bei
> vielen Namen aus dem Kaiserreich und dem 2ten Weltkrieg, da wurden
> auch sehr viele Namen frei erfunden nur um "Deutsche" Namen zu haben,
> diese sind de-facto (c) des Erfinders.. auch wenn das (c) inzwischen
> vermutlich abgelaufen ist.
>


nicht vergleichbar. Wenn im Kaiserreich jemand einen Namen erfunden hat,
dann war er nicht der einzige, der in verwendet hat. Diese Namen finden
sich in alten Büchern und Karten, auf Fotos von Schildern, zum Beispiel.


Erstens - Nachprüfbarkeit. Wer sagt mir, daß ein Name tatsächlich irgendeine
> Relevanz besitzt und nicht frei erfunden ist?
>


wer das in Frage stellt, kann ja eigene Nachforschungen anstellen und ggf.
den Urheber nach den Quellen fragen, falls er wirklich nichts findet.




> Zweitens - wenn man etwas exotisches mappt (also Namen die nicht auf
> offiziellen
> Schildern oder in der Fremdenverkehrsamtwerbung auftauchen) sollte man
> sowas tatsächlich beachten - mit Augenmaß natürlich.
> Wenn unsicher würde ich eher alt_name:XX loc_name:XX o.Ä. verwenden als
> name:XX
>


loc_name:xx kommt mir etwas merkwürdig vor, ein nur lokal verwendeter Name,
der aber in einer nicht-einheimischen Sprache ist?



>
> Es gibt wohl sehr viele Orte auf der Welt die Deutsche Namen haben die
> heute in Deutschland überwiegend unter ihren z.B. Italienischen Namen
> bekannt sind.. sagen wir im Trentino.



weiss nicht, im Trentino nutzen die deutschsprachigen Bewohner ganz
natürlich deutsche Namen, offizielle Dokumente sind dort, wo
Zweisprachigkeit offiziell ist, auch zweisprachig, inklusive der Namen.
Straßenschilder sind zweisprachig, etc., von daher halte ich es nicht für
so wichtig, wie die deutschen Touristen das handhaben, die deutschen Namen
sind kaum anzuzweifeln in diesem Gebiet.




> Eventuell sind in angrenzenden
> deutschprachigen Gebieten teilweise noch die Namen aus dem Kaiserreich
> bekannt bzw gebräuchlich. Was macht man damit?



name:de
Wenn die Namen gebräuchlich sind, ist das ja keine Frage. Wenn sie bekannt
aber nicht gebräuchlich sind, würde ich sehen, ob es alternative deutsche
Namen gibt, die gebräuchlich sind, in dem Fall würden die ersteren in
old_name:de gehen, anderenfalls in name:de. Wenn man die deutschen Namen in
Gebieten wie Westpolen in old_name ohne de: setzen würde, könnte das
wiederum leicht als Revisionismus interpretiert werden, obwohl es ggf.
semantisch korrekt wäre, d.h. ich würde es aus politischen Gründen eher
nicht machen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Harald Hartmann]

> Die Stadt Daun verwendet den Begriff "Kernstadt" selbst, wenn sie z.B.
> bei der Zusammensetzung von Gremien zu den Ortsbezirken unterscheiden muss.

aber nur weil es die Stadt selbst als "Kernstadt" bezeichnet, muss es
noch lange kein "official_name" sein, sondern könnte auch einfach nur
ein "loc_name" sein ;-) (naja und letzteres hätte für mich jetzt nicht
unbedingt administrativen status?!)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] osm13 ne répond(ait) plus...

[Christian Quest]

Quelques nouvelles du chantier: fin d'import du planet... il y a maintenant
8 jours de retard à rattraper...

Pendant ce temps, je m'attaque à la remise en route du rendu car il y a
quelques trucs à reconfigurer car j'ai mis à jour pas mal de choses sur ce
serveur (l'OS, mais aussi postgres passé en version 10, on était en 9.3).

Un peu de tuning à faire et ça repartira, j'espère encore mieux qu'avant !



Le 31 octobre 2017 à 08:02, Gaël Simon  a écrit :

> Merci Christian pour ta disponibilité
>
> Gaël
>
> Le 30 oct. 2017 à 22:38, Christian Quest  a
> écrit :
>
> Je lui ait demandé, mais ce coquin ne veut pas répondre !
>
> Plus sérieusement, munin montre qu'il y a eu un pic sur la latence, puis
> plus rien, kernel HS, machine bloquée.
>
> Branché en USB sur mon laptop, il n'est pas détecté. Je ne pense pas que
> ce soit un problème d'age de la mémoire flash, on était à 60% restant de
> durée de vie d'après le graph SMART de munin.
>
>
> Le 30 octobre 2017 à 22:12,  a écrit :
>
>> Sait-on pourquoi il a lâché ?
>>
>> Merci pour la réactivité.
>>
>> Jean-Yvon
>>
>> Le 30/10/2017 à 21:59, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
>> écrit :
>>
>> SSD remplacé... OS mis à jour (maintenant Ubuntu 16.04), ré-import base
>> planet en cours...
>>
>> Le 30 octobre 2017 à 11:28, Christian Quest  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Le 28/10/2017 à 13:04, Christian Quest a écrit :
>>>
>>> Depuis cette nuit, 3h52...
>>>
>>> Pas de réponse aux ping, je contacte free pour voir si il y a eu un
>>> pépin...
>>>
>>> Du coup, plus de tuiles HOT
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>> Serveur planté grave (rien à l'écran, voyant du clavier qui ne
>>> réagissent plus, kernel ?)... free l'a éteint/rallumé et il a rebooté.
>>>
>>> Reboot ok, mais il semble y avoir un problème avec le deuxième SSD,
>>> celui de 1To qui contient la base postgresql qui ne monte pas.
>>>
>>> En fait, il n'est pas détecté, mais la carte PCIe sur lequel il est
>>> branché est bien visible dans lspci et lshw
>>>
>>> Possible que le SSD lui même soit HS... ce qui veut dire que je vais
>>> devoir y aller, le changer.
>>>
>>> Ça tombe bien j'ai remplacé le SSD de mon laptop ce week-end et libéré
>>> un SSD 840 EVO de 1To que je peux mettre à la place.
>>>
>>>
>>> Je viens de rebooter une seconde fois la machine et SSD toujours pas
>>> là...
>>>
>>>
>>> Conséquences:
>>>
>>> - la base postgres est indisponible
>>>
>>> - les tuiles ne peuvent plus être calculées
>>>
>>> Par contre:
>>>
>>> - les tuiles en cache mod_tile sont bien disponibles (elles sont sur
>>> l'autre SSD) et donc servies même si elles ne sont pas fraiches
>>>
>>>
>>> Donc service dégradé, mais service quand même.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actions...
>>>
>>> - remplacer le SSD
>>>
>>> - re-importer la planet...
>>>
>>> - en profiter pour mettre à jour toute la machine (ubuntu un peu ancien
>>> dessus)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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[Talk-it] Conversione coordinate

[demon.box]

ciao, scusatemi ma chiedo un aiuto per riuscire a comprendere questo
passaggio che mi sta facendo letteralmente impazzire:

ho queste coordinate di partenza:

45°37'10"   10°17'00"

e per convertirle in formato gps utilizzo questo sito come ho sempre fatto
senza nessun problema:

http://www.ultrasoft3d.net/Conversione_Coordinate.aspx

inputando in entrata:

WGS84 GMS
45°37'10"   10°17'00"

ed in uscita mi viene restituto:

WGS84 gps
45°37.1667  10°16.1

ora, ripeto con questo sito di conversione non ho mai avuto problemi ma con
queste coordinate sì!

ho capito dopo mille tentavi e varie triangolazioni con altri sistemi
(sapendo anche fisicamente questo punto dove si trova) ed infine è anche ben
evidente che la Longitudine è errata, dovrebbe restituire 10°17.

sbaglio qualcosa io, oppure ho beccato un baco del sistema?

grazie!

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

[Francesco Pelullo]

Ciao Luca,

Ben vengano i dati importati, se (come in questo caso) se ne discute prima.

Per cortesia verifichiamo bene la procedura di import, ormai la Puglia ha
un discreto numero di features mappate, bisogna fare attenzione a non
distruggere quello che gia c'è.

Direi che la persona adatta per fare queste valutazioni è l'utente corfede
che ha seguito l'import degli edifici.

Potresti dirci qual è l'origine di questi dati?

Ciao
/niubii/



Il 31 ott 2017 15:48, "Luca Riccardi"  ha scritto:

>
> Ciao a tutti,
>
> sono Luca, vi contatto poiché facendo fede a quanto scritto nelle linee
> guida presenti nella wiki di OSM, vi è la possibilità di aggiungere ai dati
> di OSM, potenziali nuovi dati relativi a punti di interesse e attrazioni
> turistiche  come: chiese, cattedrali, monumenti, opere d'arte, ristoranti,
> centri di informazione turistici, etc.. localizzate nella regione Puglia.
> Dati presenti in dataset consolidati e verificati (Digital Library e
> OpenData) che possano aiutare l'utente finale a individuare i suoi
> interessi su OSM.
>
> Per fare ciò vorrei avvalermi di uno script tipo bulk_import.py per
> caricare un OSM XML. Poiché sono poco pratico vorrei sapere se il tool in
> questione restituisse un qualche output (ovvero nodo OSM con cui il punto
> di interesse è stato associato).
>
> Resto in attesa di un vostro riscontro.
>
> Saluti,
>
> Luca Riccardi
>
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Fehler mit Nominatim

[Georg Feddern]

Moin,

Am 01.11.2017 um 00:36 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:



On 31. Oct 2017, at 19:59, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

Damit sollte klar sein, dass der Begriff "Mitte" durchaus in Daun 
verwendet wird - auch wenn es kein selbstständiger Ortsteil laut 
Satzung ist. Somit sollte die Fläche in OSM behalten werden.


admin Gebiete sollten offizielle Namen haben, diese stehen im 
Gesetz/Ordnung/Verfassung etc.


um es mal weiter zu verkomplizieren ;-):

Die Stadt Daun verwendet den Begriff "Kernstadt" selbst, wenn sie z.B. 
bei der Zusammensetzung von Gremien zu den Ortsbezirken unterscheiden muss.


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