Re: [talk-ph] MMDA's "Mabuhay" Lanes

[tutubi]

Ervin,

there's at least one route there with wrong durection, confused with left or 
right when i read it

on congestion, what happened since Monday motorists avoided EDSA and congested 
inner roads.

example is Gilmore, travel time to navigate the road now 15 minutes more. I may 
have to find an alternate to the alternate

I'm avoiding Araneta due to Skyway construction and floods, Balete is congested 
too. I think Betty Go-Belmonte is a go but the inner roads near Cubao are 
congested :(

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Ervin Malicdem  wrote:
> 
> I have recently created relations for MMDA's alternate routes to decongest 
> EDSA and major highways in Metro Manila.
> 
> Be informed though that by plying through these alternate routes, you are 
> still prone to congestion as you encounter traffic lights and flood prone 
> areas.
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33905171
> 
> 
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[talk-ph] traffic lights galore

[tutubi]

hi!

mmda implemented back the traffic lights on quezon avenue weeks ago

it's just now that i've updated some but not yet complete including turn 
restrictions as i need to validate

heard c-5 has the same setup that dud away with u-turn slots

quezon ave still has the turn slots, btw

just came out briefly from my OSM hiatus

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[talk-ph] latest map download

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Hi!

i may have missed it here or not really available but where can I download the 
latest Ph map? january 2014?

my Nuvi's map is soo outdated now, I'm only using Citymap2Go on iOS and other 
apps in Android

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Re: [talk-ph] latest map download

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i see
can't see it on top of Google search, needs some push up the SERP :)

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On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:07 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Tutubi,
 
 Ervin took over the the garmin map compilation.
 Download here: http://www.s1expeditions.com/p/openstreetmaps.html
 Last update was Jan 27, 2014
 
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:12 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 i may have missed it here or not really available but where can I download
 the latest Ph map? january 2014?
 
 my Nuvi's map is soo outdated now, I'm only using Citymap2Go on iOS and
 other apps in Android
 
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Re: [talk-ph] latest map download

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hi Rem,

yes, i have the free OSMAnd :)

i just need to update my now seldom used Garmin Nuvi :(

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On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, rem zamora pompy...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you use OSMAnd on your android, you can also get the latest OSM map for PH 
 Tutubi. :) That's what I use in android. There's a freeware version where you 
 can download new maps in a limited number of times :) 
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:27 AM, tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com 
 wrote:
 i see
 can't see it on top of Google search, needs some push up the SERP :)
 
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 Dear Tutubi,
 
 Ervin took over the the garmin map compilation.
 Download here: http://www.s1expeditions.com/p/openstreetmaps.html
 Last update was Jan 27, 2014
 
 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:12 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 i may have missed it here or not really available but where can I download
 the latest Ph map? january 2014?
 
 my Nuvi's map is soo outdated now, I'm only using Citymap2Go on iOS and
 other apps in Android
 
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Re: [talk-ph] d-tuazon stoplight

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Hi JC,

I made the changes last week, please confirm if there's through traffic
from the east side going west from D Tuazon

also, just this morning I noticed the MMDA turned on the traffic signals at
the corner of Roosevelt and Quezon Avenue (where I pass by daily) then
removed the U-turn slot

pesky jeepney drivers are the ones (as usual) causing traffic in the area
by turning every corner into waiting stations


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 they re-opened the traffic light there when mayor erap banned buses in
 manila.

 traffic was diverted from mabuhay rotonda since then

 i remember a u-turn slot i added years ago needs to be deleted again when
 MMDA closed it :(



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 hello,
 D-Tuazon crossing of Quezon Avenue is sporting stoplights.  (the
 intersection is open again).
 I've used Potlatch2 but the new editor is giving me fits.  The fix is more
 complicated than I have time for.
 (administrative lines are mixed in) Would somebody do it please?  thanks.

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Re: [talk-ph] d-tuazon stoplight

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they re-opened the traffic light there when mayor erap banned buses in manila. 

traffic was diverted from mabuhay rotonda since then

i remember a u-turn slot i added years ago needs to be deleted again when MMDA 
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 D-Tuazon crossing of Quezon Avenue is sporting stoplights.  (the intersection 
 is open again).
 I've used Potlatch2 but the new editor is giving me fits.  The fix is more 
 complicated than I have time for.
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Re: [talk-ph] Post-Mechanical Edit report (PNB/Allied Bank Mechanical Edits)

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nice. 

Chinatrust Bank is now CTBC Bank

:)

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 11:27 AM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Last night, I made seven changesets [1] that are part of the PNB/Allied Bank 
 Mechanical Edits.
 
 What I did:
 1. Inform the mappers in the affected areas using this mailing list while 
 simultaneously making a plan on how to manage the edits and publicizing them 
 for comments and suggestions
 2. Document my mechanical edits in the OSM Wiki
 3. Make mechanical edits
 4. Make a Post-Mechanical Edit report 
 
 What I've noticed:
 1. There are cases that bank branches have been relocated. An example of this 
 was the Kidapawan branch, which was relocated to Calinan in Davao City[2]. 
 Both nodes representing the two branches are currently tagged as PNB branches.
 2. During the mechanical editing process, one duplicate node in Lapu-Lapu 
 City was deleted while two buildings (one in Pampanga and one in Davao City 
 have been stripped of their bank-related tags due to the One feature, one OSM 
 element principle.
 3. Except the instance when I encountered an edit conflict during the North 
 Luzon leg of the mechanical edit, the mechanical editing process went 
 smoothly as planned.
 
 What can you do after the recent mechanical edit:
 1. Do on-the-ground surveys to confirm if the Allied Bank branch is now a PNB 
 branch.
 2. If you noticed that my mechanical edits do not correspond to the 
 on-the-ground situation, do the following:
 2.1 Message me to revert my mechanical edit for a certain branch or area.
 2.2 Make the corresponding edits. Example: if the Allied Bank branch is not 
 yet an PNB branch, re-tag it as name=Allied Bank and remove the old_name tag 
 for the time being. If it becomes a PNB branch, change the tags to name=PNB; 
 old_name=Allied Bank.
 
 To be done in future mechanical edits:
 1. Notify users in affected areas at least 3 days before the planned 
 mechanical edits through OSM inbox, since not everyone is a part of this 
 mailing list.
 2. Create a dedicated mechanical edits account
 
 
 [1] see 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Ianlopez1115#PNB.2FAllied_Bank_tagging_change_.28October_2013.29
 [2] 
 http://www.pnb.com.ph/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=600Itemid=206
  - I didn't copy any information from this site
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Section 1 of TPLEx is set to open Oct 30

[tutubi]

it's delayed as usual but it's nice still

been waiting for the whole extension to La Union so i can drive all the way to
Pagudpud :)

i don't like to drive, only navigate :)

the eastern expressway is still far off

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On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yey! I'll try to see if I can drive through it by November. There are only 2 
 additional exits from SCTEX end as of the meantime.
 
 Ervin Malicdem
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 motherland. 
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 Oops. The opened phase is not the whole of Section 1, but until the Gerona 
 exit only: http://osm.org/go/4zalkFsV--?m=
 
 Section 1 will be opened by next year.
 
 
 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 TPLEx is the Tarlac-Pangasinan-La Union Expressway and it continues the 
 northward route of the SCTEx (Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway).
 
 Section 1 is from Tarlac City, Tarlac to Rosales Pangasinan.
 
 News articles:
 Rappler: 
 http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/208-infrastructure/42219-tplex-partially-opens
 InterAksyon: 
 http://www.interaksyon.com/business/73478/first-phase-of-tarlac-pangasinan-la-union-expressway-opens-next-week
 GMA News: 
 http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/332586/economy/companies/san-miguel-corp-led-consortium-to-soft-open-tplex-on-oct-30
 
 Wikipedia article: 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarlac%E2%80%93Pangasinan%E2%80%93La_Union_Expressway
 
 TPLEx starts here: http://osm.org/go/4zaiBORM--?m
 Section 1 seems to end here: http://osm.org/go/4zbhcXtB--?m
 
 While the Bing satellite imagery shows evidence of the TPLEx route due to 
 the tell-tale signs of construction, we would definitely appreciate actual 
 GPS traces. Bonus points if you can get traces of the on- and off-ramps for 
 each of the expressway's exits. :-) (Ervin, go!)
 
 But I think in the meantime, we can switch the construction tags in OSM come 
 October 30. :-)
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Portable USB for OSM editing

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i think this is what i need

i uninstalled flash on my laptop as it's too unstable and a security nightmare

i can't use Potlatch :(



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On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:32 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear everyone,
 
 We created a portable USB flashdisk pre-installed with applications
 needed for OSM editing.
 The plan is to give out these sticks during our training/workshops and
 it should work out-of-the-stick without going through installing
 everything on each machines.
 
 The advantage of this approach over using LiveCDs/VirtualBox is that
 they can easily bring along the stick anywhere say an internet cafe
 and continue editing.
 
 So far, we were able to run JOSM using the JPortable Launcher.  A
 shortcut would be nice which we plan to work on later.
 
 In our test, everything works OK (tested on XP, Win7 32 and 64bits).
 QGIS seems to be the more difficult to install (will try that later).
 
 Please give it a run and send us feedback/bugs.
 
 repo: https://github.com/essc/osm_stick/
 zipfile (~500MB): https://github.com/essc/osm_stick/archive/master.zip
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Cebu City Jeepney Routes

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besides the following posts where i detailed
the routes in manila qc and laguna, i have draft
post of EDSA buses turn by turn that will br
nice if plotted visually

i asked this question before but the suggested
solution/website was too slow

now it's in OSM itself?

laguna
http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2013/02/how-to-get-to-laguna-bus-jeepney-routes.html
quiapo
http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2013/04/how-to-get-to-quiapo-manila-jeepney.html
divisoria
http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2010/11/how-to-get-to-divisoria-map-jeepney.html
Quezon city Project 1-8
http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2010/11/jeproks-project-quezon-city-jeepney.html
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 On Friday, 13 September, 2013 10:29 AM, maning sambale wrote:
 If you've been to Cebu City and like me, got confused with the jeepney
 routes categorized as number and letters. Should I take 04C or 04B?
 I was thinking about this for Manila. As a foreigner I have no idea where the 
 Jeepneys go, except for a few around my house, and my language skills aren't 
 too good either. Although I can say Para!
 
 Anyway I was thinking of an initiative to put in all the jeepney routes. My 
 reasoning was that this might be a bit unwieldy making it part of the OSM 
 dataset, so I was thinking a data overlay might be the best way to go. This 
 would mean of course that you could turn on and off various data overlays 
 (jeepney, bus, train). Maybe even one day you could give a start and end 
 point and get a number of options on how to travel.
 
 Just thinking out loud. Maybe we could get some funding for this.
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Waterways in NCR and surrounding provinces

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exactly my thoughts too

it's called tidal estuary

many boundaries in metro manila defined by rivers and (vanishing) esteros


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On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:22 AM, rem zamora pompy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good idea Jim.
 
 However it got me thinking also... in the case of Pasig river, the flow of 
 the water depends on the time and tide of the day. Sometimes water flows 
 inward from the bay to Laguna lake but there are times also that the water 
 flows from the lake to the ocean (which is what seems to be natural to me, 
 all water flows toward the ocean).
 
 Just a thought. This is the same case also in Malabon and some parts of 
 Bulacan also :)
 
 On Sep 12, 2013 9:42 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
 On Thursday, 12 September, 2013 09:31 AM, maning sambale wrote:
 In some cases, we had to switch the way direction to follow the the
 convention [0] that the direction of the way should be downstream
 Hah, I'd never really thought of this before. I guess a lot of times I start 
 tracing from the sea backwards inland, so I've probably got this wrong a few 
 times.
 
 It started me thinking though. If you were able to get the elevation data 
 for the start point and end point of a waterway, you could probably work out 
 the direction of flow from that, and apply it automagically.
 
 So what about canals? :-)
 
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Re: [talk-ph] I mapped my village

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great job. i visited your village a few months ago to see the model unit. it's 
not mapped yet in OSM then, only the main road

my own future home is still barren hill, Avida Woodhill Settings



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On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Miles Sumner milessum...@cs.com wrote:

 Avida Settings Map PHASE 1-2.jpg
 ASN 3-4 ST MAP_r2.jpg
 When I moved in here in March of 2013 the only map available was in 
 Phase-Block-lot form and the Village was still under Ayala Land Corp.  All 
 except 40 of the over 1,000 lots have been sold. There are Street Name signs 
 on nearly all the streets.  So, I used an image of the village with unnamed 
 streets and walked and wrote the Names.  I used various methods to create 
 these maps.
 Now Ayala will turn-over the Village to the Home Owner's Association.  I 
 printed and laminated many of these maps and handed them out to Volunteers in 
 each Phase of the Village.  We have recently (last week) completed our 
 Pre-Assessment of the Infrastructure Deliverables using these maps to 
 identify the locations of Photographs taken for a Power-Point presentation 
 that will be made during a meeting next week with Ayala and our HOA as we 
 prepare to receive the ownership of our village from Ayala.
 These maps are also helping our Security people locate homes for 
 visitors/deliveries/emergency situations.
 I still do not understand OSM mapping process, however, I bring my Garmin 
 Nuvi GPS with me everywhere and, upon arriving at a destination, I record it 
 as a Favorite. Now, when I want to return, I can follow the GPS, although 
 I've learned it tends to lead me through some pathways that may be impassable 
 and I must backtrack.  Yet my GPS always says Recalculating and I 
 eventually get to my destination.  
 After viewing Kate Chapman's talk on YouTube I am inspired to have a larger 
 role in OSMing here in Southern Laguna. 
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 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 08:50:48 +0800
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 To: OpenStreetMap Philippines talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [talk-ph] Kate Chapman's Ignite talk on OSM and the January
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 Hi guys,
 
 You might be interested in the following video showing Kate Chapman talking
 about OpenStreetMap as a tool for disaster preparedness and its role during
 the January 2013 Jakarta floods.
 
 Kate Chapman is one of the founders of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
 (HOT), which was formed as a result of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. She has
 recently (as in just yesterday) been elected to the Board of the
 OpenStreetMap Foundation, and thus becoming the first female Board member.
 
 Video of talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4TGfew1Lk
 Jakarta flood Wikipedia article:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Jakarta_flood
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 Hi guys,
 
 I have updated the OSMPH  Imagery Coverage Map to include all of the latest
 Bing imagery that I could find: http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/
 
 Please do check if I missed any spot.
 
 Based on the following image published by Bing, there seems to be new
 imagery in western and southern Mindanao, but I could not find them:
 

Re: [talk-ph] New imagery from Bing 2013-09

[tutubi]

will check this area. hope they now cover northern laguna

been a while since i did armchair mapping

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 About a week ago, the cloud cover on bing in Antipolo and Taytay was finally 
 gone (after years of waiting). busy retracing :-) 
 
 (images were estimated taken 2012)
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Nuvali

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hi miles,

what's the nuvi model?
you only need to download the osm image to the folder of your unit

Nuvali is not much mapped inside the subdivisions. found that out some time 
ago. I also bought a lot there but we're not neighbors

one of these days i will need a contractor but my future home will have green 
home architecture and smart bldg features :)

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On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Miles Sumner milessum...@cs.com wrote:

 I'm from Southern California, USA.  We have a saying there - I want it all, 
 and I want it all now.  I moved to Nuvali 2 months ago and brought 2 Garmin 
 Nuvi GPS's.  Of course my US maps are no good here.  I found RoadGuide 
 Philippines, downloaded the only map they offer, and there is very little in 
 it about this area (Nuvali/Sta Rosa).  They offer a contributors map, which I 
 downloaded and it crashed my Desktop.  I found OSM and cannot figure how to 
 get it into my Garmin; I could use help with that.  With OSM I'm finally 
 learning where I am in relation to Manila.  I don't know how to work my GPS 
 to capture and upload locations (GPS Coordinates?); I could use help with 
 that.  I'm getting ready to build a home for my family in Venare, I'm a 
 Building Contractor and I'll need to find places to get building materials 
 and such.  I'm accustomed to going on the Internet and using a ZIP Code to 
 find local suppliers.  Haven't figured out how to do that yet; Could use help 
 with that, too. Otherwise, all is good. 
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Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data

[tutubi]

on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not covered 
by copyright unless you use it for profit?

it's somewhere in the copyright law, a popular topic in photography forums



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On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:43 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, 
 unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions.
 
 Maning Sambale (mobile)
 
 On Jun 12, 2013 7:14 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District Engineering 
 Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: 
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its 
 database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its 
 maintenance: 
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm
 
 What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM maps 
 as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, 
 here's northern Quezon City: 
 http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Land area of the Philippines

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Eugene, 

land area may vary, depends whether it was measured during high tide or low 
tide too

:)


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On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think most of you already know that the Philippines is supposed to have a 
 land area of 300,000 km². This is what is stored in the United Nations: 
 http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2009-2010/Table03.pdf
 
 However, the National Statistical Coordination Board says its 343,448.32 km²: 
 http://www.nscb.gov.ph/view/geography.asp
 
 Confusingly, the Philippine Information Agency used to say it its website 
 that the area is 299,764 km². 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20090302131341/http://www.pia.gov.ph/philinfo/default.asp?fi=abouti=geography
 
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Re: [talk-ph] ternate - nasugbu tunnel

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just to add:
trunk/primary roads are main roads you can see at certain zoom levels and 
provide the route

i decide on secondary/tertiary/residential by observing how people use the 
road. i mark roads where jeepneys pass by either minor/tertiary at least

and lastly, Garmin routing algorithm prefers trunk/primary/secondary in that 
order so the roads should be properly tagged for the algorithm to compute 
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:47 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Ervin,
 
 Common conventions are:
 - trunk - roads connecting provinces
 - primary - roads connecting towns/cities
 - secondary/tertiary - this gets a little bit tricky but for me, but
 I use tertiary for most roads connecting barangays
 
 More explanations here [0], which, I think should be updated.
 
 One common case for the PH is that trunk/primary/secondary/tertiary is
 not necessarily a paved/concrete/asphalted road.  Our tag preference
 is by function.
 For example a two-lane dirt road by function is major road going
 through barangay centers.  For this case, my personal preference is to
 tag it as highway=tertiary and add a surface [1] tag surface=unpaved.
 
 This is also one topic Totor and I discussed in Cebu.  I encourage
 everyone that whenever you have explicit knowledge, add the surface
 tag.
 
 Hope that helps, please expand this discussion further.
 
 [0] 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Roads
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Surface
 
 On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just a question regarding road types to satisfy and clarify my curiosity .
 How do you consider the one to be a trunk, tertiary or secondary?
 
 As for the road connecting the tunnel to antero soriano highway as well as
 the papaya road connecting it to it as well, I initially tagged it secondary
 as the road is thin (half of soriano). Do I get the principle correctly or
 there is more I do not know? Thanks!
 
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 On Apr 18, 2013 11:17 AM, tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com
 wrote:
 
 
 heard on the news a while back the tunnel will officially open on July 1
 
 that part of the country is a scenic drive, intend to pass by when it
 opens.
 
 
 the roads linked by the tunnel in Ternate (linked to Soriano Highway) and
 Calatagan Nasugbu should be
 tagged later as trunk as it connects two provinces now (and be visible on
 a high zoom level on the map)
 
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 It seems to be in OSM already but part of the route is marked as
 highway=track. There's also a tunnel present:
 
 http://osm.org/go/4zKlwYzB-
 
 
 On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM, rem zamora pompy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 i passed this road already. lemme check my gps files when i get home.
 last time i went there last january, it is still being constructed but 
 about
 80 percent complete and cars can pass the tunnel one at a time.
 
 if you are coming from manila to nasugbu, this is a good alternative
 route since you will bypass the traffic of sta rosa and tagaytay already.
 good roads that is comparable to subic roads. sometimes you can even see
 monkeys by the road side.
 
 right after puerto azul, there is a junction to your left. it is a paved
 road. you wont go straight to caylabne. just go straight pagkakaliwa mo,
 tutumbukin mo na yung tunnel na yun lusot mo sa pico de loro at tali beach
 and other sosi beach resorts :)
 
 rem
 
 
 
 On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, tutubi
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 where exactly is this? is this near puerto azul?
 
 is this already on OSM but UC?
 
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Re: [talk-ph] ternate - nasugbu tunnel

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heard on the news a while back the tunnel will officially open on July 1

that part of the country is a scenic drive, intend to pass by when it opens.


the roads linked by the tunnel in Ternate (linked to Soriano Highway) and
Calatagan Nasugbu should be
tagged later as trunk as it connects two provinces now (and be visible on a
high zoom level on the map)

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 It seems to be in OSM already but part of the route is marked as
 highway=track. There's also a tunnel present:

 http://osm.org/go/4zKlwYzB-


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 i passed this road already. lemme check my gps files when i get home.
 last time i went there last january, it is still being constructed but
 about 80 percent complete and cars can pass the tunnel one at a time.

 if you are coming from manila to nasugbu, this is a good alternative
 route since you will bypass the traffic of sta rosa and tagaytay already.
 good roads that is comparable to subic roads. sometimes you can even see
 monkeys by the road side.

 right after puerto azul, there is a junction to your left. it is a paved
 road. you wont go straight to caylabne. just go straight pagkakaliwa mo,
 tutumbukin mo na yung tunnel na yun lusot mo sa pico de loro at tali beach
 and other sosi beach resorts :)

 rem



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Re: [talk-ph] Day dependent turn restriction

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while i was doing turn restrictions, i saw the time and date settings for this 
as Makati also has streets like them 

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On Mar 4, 2013, at 7:48 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of the question raised during our Cebu City workshop was how to
 represent turn restriction for a specific day only. An example are the
 roads around Santo Nino Basilica [0] where routing is restricted
 during Fridays.  Is there a turn restriction for this?
 Is it being used by online routing services like OSRM (Garmin does not
 have this)?
 
 I was unable to answer the question but I promised to send the reply
 to the participants if we indeed have a schema for this type of data.
 
 Thanks!
 
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[talk-ph] ternate - nasugbu tunnel

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where exactly is this? is this near puerto azul? 

is this already on OSM but UC?

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Re: [talk-ph] Turn restrictions map

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i could really use this. my favorite 
things to add are these restrictions to correct routing errors

and oh, my nuvi was lost and now found after 6 months of just lying there 

good thing i'm not impulsive. im just playing with my cherry mobile flare and 
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On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hi guys,
 
 It's not enough to have a pretty looking map. The underlying data is also 
 important especially for routing.
 
 So to help increase the quality of the data, there's a new map created by an 
 OSM user in Germany. This map shows all of the turn restrictions (ex., no 
 left turns, no U-turns) data in OSM:
 
 http://map.comlu.com/?zoom=17lat=14.55459lon=121.02085layer=Mapquest%20Open
 
 This is not the first such map, but this is certainly more responsive and 
 informative than the other turn restriction map I've seen before. It also 
 shows if there are errors in the turn restrictions. And you can also use it 
 to see if there are any missing ones.
 
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[talk-ph] mapping the EDSA bus bays

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anyone mapping the new edsa bus bays with labels for bus A and B? will update 
along my route but better if we can complete asap

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Re: [talk-ph] Does the new iOS 6 Maps using OpenStreetMap for the Philippines?

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just did an overnight upgrade. my area in qc is in disarray. i will get lost 
here :)

not using OSM :)
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 The new iOS6 Maps is getting a lot of bad press recently.  We all know
 they used an old OSM extract for the iPhoto app but is the new Maps
 app uses OSM?
 The closest screenshot I saw was this:
 
 http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31930316525/not-sure-if-an-embassy-or-a-school
 
 In OSM we have the Indonesian Embassy but not as a school:
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[talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

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i'm eagerly awaiting the release of iOS 6 to check the map feature reportedly 
using tomtom and osm data. 

i only need routing, offline maps, and 1s logging. hope they're all there

i will hold of again purchase of my garmin replacement
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Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2012 feedback

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hi!

maintaining a server you need:
location space/datacenter
network equipmnt (routers/fw/switches)
warm bodies to manage 24/7
Internet connection, power aircon

you can also outsource in the cloud where you just buy a virtual server and 
connectivity

i used to be a network admin at a telco and i can attest that then, and still 
now, local peering were all praise releases where telcos don't cooperate plus 
lazy/ignorant routing engineers

i did the inter-network routing work back then (using BGP) to tweak routing 
parameters to route outgoing traffic to local nwtworks via local links (and not 
via our US, HK and JP links) but the return traffic I can't control. 

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On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Mike,
 
 Your proposal is actually interesting.
 
 However, I am not actually aware of anyone in the OSMPH community who
 is experienced enough with running and maintaining a server here in
 the Philippines. The usual strategy I know is that people buy hosting
 services from data centers in located the United States.
 
 Also, I am not familiar with the state of the Internet backbone in the
 Philippines (PHNET). I'm not 100% sure but I've read of stories where
 if you want to access a local server in the Philippines, you might
 sometimes get routed first to the United States depending on which
 Internet Service Provider you are currently on so having a local
 server might not actually help with any netowrk latency issues that
 OSM France's solution hopes to solve.
 
 Maybe the people from Enthropia Philippines (who is generously
 sponsoring the openstreetmap.org.ph website) can provide some input?
 
 Regards,
 Eugene
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM, maning sambale
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 Dear Mike,
 
 Im glad you met Mario in SOTM2012. Also, congrats on finally getting over
 with the license change.
 
 On to the topic, I think the idea of a server is good if this can help with
 poor connections, especially if it can be used for disaster mapping efforts.
 Maybe we can even design our own map style. :-)
 
 Anyway, I know very little about servers so I leave it to others here to
 discuss possibilities and challenges on such a project with osm.fr
 
 Maning Sambale (mobile)
 
 On Sep 14, 2012 11:24 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
 
 Hallo Maning and all and to Mario Baras who was at SOTM 2012 and is on
 this list.
 
 I see from Maning's post to the general talk list that he is already
 familar with the French http://live.openstreetmap.fr/. Now here is an
 interesting thing.  OSM France have also built and are operating a caching
 download/proxy upload server for editing.  It down loads diffs every minute.
 JOSM users can re-direct their editors to use it instead of the London
 server. There is also a way to trick Potlatch into using it. For French and
 many European users it provides much better response. When you upload, then
 it sends your edit to London. It has been running for 6 months and appears
 to work correctly.
 
 And then another thing:  OpenStreetMap France also have funding to do
 things. But they cannot spend it in France. Dot, dot, dot.
 
 So I asked Christian Quest, If there was interest, could they fund a
 similar server in the Philippines? and got a very positive response with
 the caveat that a proposal has to be presented to the funding organisation
 and they can say yes or no. The proposal could consist of a) server(s), b)
 travel by OpenStreetMap France to the Philippines to train (perhaps not
 vital but good to create a working relationship) and c) funding to put it in
 a high availability data centre.
 
 So, any interest?
 
 In addition to helping poor connections (comments?), I see it as a way to
 build up a strong system administration team to complement the mapping
 community. The Philippine and Japan communities are probably the strongest
 in Asia right now.  I would also suggest that it could be used as a H.O.T
 server to be used in natural calamities if anyone is interested in getting
 involved there ... that might also improve the chances of funding.
 
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Re: [talk-ph] iOS 6 using osm and tomtom?

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hi!

On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
 
 Did we have this conversation before?

oh yes, sort of, but what was discussed even a few days ago is obsolete now. 
cant cope up. 

tried a few apps eg myTracks et al but im too lazy to download the gpx tracks

 :-) This is all available on Android, although not in the same app as far as 
 I can find out. You can get a nice cheap Android for about 9k these days (the 
 Huawei G300 is getting good reviews), or 4k if you really push it (Cherry 
 Mobile). I use Trekbuddy for OSM data with offline maps and 1s logging. You 
 can run a different app for routing. At the same time if you want
an android is a long time want. only reconsidering it since i've lost my 
garmin. will try the cherry mobile. i want one with a tv if there's one and it 
wont hurt much if i lose it :)


 
 Anyway, I don't see any reason to drop 40k on the latest Apple. Paying more 
 for a phone than a computer has always seemed a little obscene to me. 
 
 

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Re: [talk-ph] status of remapping

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hi! 

i made edits to san juan. noticed major segments missing for blumentritt and p 
guevarra. some segments near xavier and madison. some were covered by
by clouds so i approxinated, expect a few meters off there

i remember touching most roads in that area to align with bing, probably helped 
in some way against redaction thst made those segments mine plus the one-way 
tags and POIs  i added some time ago

as of the moment though, i can't check routing with gps as i dont have one at 
the moment but i can at least certify it is accurate as i pass by those inner 
roads to/from qc to avoid edsa

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 @eugene, thanks for the info.
 
 @ianlopez, great work as always!
 
 @tutubi, large section of San Juan is covered by clouds in Bing, so its hard 
 to do armchair mapping. Actual survey is necessary. Sorry to hear re your 
 nuvi 1310.
 
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[talk-ph] change asiatrust bank to asia united bank

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hi!

can we run a script to effect the change
stated on the subject?

all asiatrust bank branches now
asia united bank since it was
acquired a few months ago

the one near munoz qc and those at the corner of p guevarra and wilson in san 
juan are proof of this, as i also asked an AUB contact

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Re: [talk-ph] status of remapping

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will check san juan. i did lots of re-routing there plus POIs on wilson and 
granada

i pass by there on my way to makati from qc

already a few weeks without my dear gps :(

On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:45 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear everyone,
 
 Are there people doing remapping efforts [0]? Any updates so far?  I
 did a couple today in San Juan, MM mostly re-connecting the major
 roads and trying to remember some of my work 5 years ago.  AFAIK, San
 Juan has a lot of oneway roads.  I didn't add any way restrictions
 because my memory is flakey these days.
 
 I'm asking because:
 1. I lost track of recent OSM-PH mapping development the past months;
 2. I want to update my OSM PostGIS db.
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] V.A. Rufino in Makati to become two-way on September 1, 2012

[tutubi]

hmm...create a calendar entry to remind/alert of the event then login/edit
the street attributes? hehe

is that applicable to the entire length of herrera? 

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 I was actually asking more about how to handle information that will
 be applied in the future. The removal of the one-way restriction will
 happen on September 1. How do we keep track of this information such
 that we don't forget and can apply the changes as soon as the expected
 date arrives?
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:22 AM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 highway=secondary
 name=V. A. Rufino
 oneway=no
 parking:lane:both=no_parking [1]
 
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane
 
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 Facebook: ian.lopez
 
 
 From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 To: OpenStreetMap Philippines talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:36 AM
 Subject: [talk-ph] V.A. Rufino in Makati to become two-way on September 1,
 2012
 
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=160789627391878
 
 Posting this for mental note.
 
 BTW, there's actually no established workflow for handling this kind
 of information in OSM. Any suggestions?
 
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Re: [talk-ph] (no subject)

[tutubi]

it's asia alright but an expensive one...plus visa hassles
though I can ask my tokyo-based kuya to sponsor me plus i only have to buy
my RT airfare

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 6:05 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Your chance to attend State of the Map 2012 in tokyo

 http://www.stateofthemap.org/register-now/

 I don't think it will come back to Asia anytime sooner.


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Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help

[tutubi]

I can try to tag each one of them

i can see churches of bohol plus other structures i've recently visited
there including Clarin House
in Loay town (i also attempted to visit Loay watchtower but it was covered
by mangroves and not really easy to access, in state of ruins, ias was told
by locals). I have the coordinates and pictures plus other structures
listed there (my pictures though do not qualify for the indicated picture
taking dates)

thanks

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On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,

 Wikimedia Philippines has launched the Wiki(pedia) Loves Monuments
 last March 24. WLM is a photo contest with the aim of creating a body
 of open and freely-licensed photos of cultural and heritage sites and
 monuments. WLM started in 2010 in the Netherlands, became a
 Europe-wide competition in 2011, and in 2012 is now an international
 competition with 28+ countries around the world participating. The WLM
 Philippines webpage is here:
 http://www.wikimedia.ph/wmph/index.php?title=Wiki_Loves_Monuments

 Anyway, the WLM Philippines project managers asked my help if it is
 possible to get the coordinates of each site or monument in the site
 list (which is basically the Philippine Registry of Cultural Property
 (PRECUP) Built Heritage list provided by the National Commission for
 Culture and the Arts) which contain 689 sites total. The list is here:

 http://www.wikimedia.ph/wmph/index.php?title=Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Entry_Sites

 As you can see, most of the sites only have the town or city as their
 location. Not all of them have complete addresses and not one of them
 has any attached coordinates. The additional mapping info would be
 beneficial so the photographers would know where to find these sites.

 Unfortunately, I'm sure that OSM does not have all of the information.
 I estimate that only around 1/3 of these sites are in OSM. I think
 WaypointsDotPH might fare better but I don't think all of the sites
 are on WaypointsDotPH too.

 Do any of you guys have any idea on what's the best way to get the
 addresses/coordinates of all 689 sites? If needed, Wikimedia
 Philippines is willing to buy a license from private GIS companies but
 of course an open/free solution would be best.


 Anyway, WLM aside, I think putting all of these sites in OSM would be
 a nice little project for OSMPH. Do people think it's a good idea to
 have a list somewhere where we can track whether all 689 sites are in
 OSM and with complete attributes already?


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[talk-ph] c5/katipunan bridge to luzon avenue

[tutubi]

it's open...a few weeks after the new bridge in BGC was opened.

passed by the construction site a few months ago
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/04/02/12/commonwealth-flyover-opened-motorists


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Re: [talk-ph] BGC C-5 flyover

[tutubi]

I've yet to really pass there but tonight probably will en route to cainta

btw, on link roads, i noticed lots of link roads have no names thus when i
test routing
on my unit, it says turn to provincial road, that turned out just a road
without the name tag

i used similar conventions like the 32nd street - c5 flyover, using the
name of the first street followed by a dash then
the name of the second street. I also used names of u-turn slots (many of
them on edsa, shaw, and quezon ave that used to have no names

on another note, since i use my unit zoomed in to reveal POIs, there's this
annoying 7-Eleven
icon that indicates small convenience store that's actually Mini-stop. is
this a Nuvi problem or a map
problem?

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Confirmed.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/traces/1197920
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11036928

 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yup, I've confirmed that this flyover is now open. I've edited OSM to
  indicate such: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10967343
 
  The flyover shape is just estimated. Somebody should get GPS track to
  confirm. :-)
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I neglected to confirm today if the flyover is passable now, but I can
  confirm that the flyover is indeed as good as finished as of Thursday
  night. It's been marked as highway=construction in OSM for months now.
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, tutubi
  tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  is this really open? I can pass there tonight as I sometimes take a
 detour
  to BGC via a circuitous route to kalayaan
  to avoid EDSA traffic to QC
 
 
 http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200articleid=785069
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Garmin map icon for convenience stores

[tutubi]

so that explains the colors of a hybrid icon :P
there's really too little design option with that size. is the 16x16 the
same for newer units like the nuvi series?

on the design, can't help you here, not an artist even if I'm from Paete :(

i zoom in to the map to see POIs while stuck in traffic, I've used Search
only once in Pangasinan to look for Matutina resto to which OSM routed me
flawlessly.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 hehe, i was the one who made this personal old icon inspired by
 Malsingmap's 7-11 icon to represent Convenience Store.

 the decision was based on the limitation by Garmin's assignments of
 Hex Codes to represent/differentiate the stores where we buy our
 supplies:
 I needed an intuitive common icon to represent these multi-brand
 24-hour convenience stores in PH, that can fit on 16x16 pixels using
 basic 256colors - since my target device was a low-res outdoor Garmin
 276c 60c/76c. And I also needed to differentiate these from the
 countless daytime sari-sari stores to reduce clutter during search.


 Anyway, my idea may already be obsolete. Any new intuitive icon design
 is welcome. It's actually easy to customize to improve the TYP file,
 and I can teach those not familiar...


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Re: [talk-ph] BGC C-5 flyover

[tutubi]

i passed there last night, usual traffic but the construction on 32nd are
stll there

my alternate route there from Buendia/Kalayaan on 32nd (not for sedans on
heavy rains)

left to 5th street
right to 34th
left to the road going around PNOC/British School
right to U Parkway
U-turn
right to Triangle Drive
right to 11th
right to Kalayaan

perhaps I can make this left to 32nd instead of the U-turn
or 11th avenue/kalayaan may be lighter now that the ramp is now open?

c-5 is slow only up to Bagong Ilog unlike EDSA these days

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's the name of this ramp again?
 (from old news)

 http://balita.ph/2010/11/26/300-m-flyover-project-soon-to-rise-in-bonifacio-global-city-taguig/

 I think i got the gps track of this BGC-C5 North Entry Ramp/Flyover
 last March 14

 I don't recommended (this yet) if you are in a rush coming from
 Buendia going to C5. That time I had a family emergency call, and
 tried my luck on this new flyover instead of using Kalayaan Ave route.
 I got stuck up in traffic with the many road repairs  stoplights
 along 32nd street.



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 wrote:
  maning,
 
  Rally actually beat you to it by about a day:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11030523
 
  :)
 
  On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  Confirmed.
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/traces/1197920
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11036928
 
  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Yup, I've confirmed that this flyover is now open. I've edited OSM to
  indicate such: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10967343
 
  The flyover shape is just estimated. Somebody should get GPS track to
  confirm. :-)
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I neglected to confirm today if the flyover is passable now, but I can
  confirm that the flyover is indeed as good as finished as of Thursday
  night. It's been marked as highway=construction in OSM for months now.
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, tutubi
  tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  is this really open? I can pass there tonight as I sometimes take a
 detour
  to BGC via a circuitous route to kalayaan
  to avoid EDSA traffic to QC
 
 
 http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200articleid=785069
 
 
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[talk-ph] BGC C-5 flyover

[tutubi]

is this really open? I can pass there tonight as I sometimes take a detour
to BGC via a circuitous route to kalayaan
to avoid EDSA traffic to QC

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200articleid=785069

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Re: [talk-ph] Some results of the new Bing imagery

[tutubi]

on Vigan and other places
there are many streets (alternating) there that are one-way from 7am to
7pm...i did not tag them as one way
for now. will also add the street names later

I could use that map for Tuguegarao and Southern Leyte, will be there in a
few weeks

also, kudos to the mappers of Cebu and Davao City. very much improved. was
in cebu last week, and davao
last year (and will be back in a few weeks)

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,

 A lot of you have started tracing using the new Bing imagery and I'd
 like to highlight some of them:

 1. Tuguegarao, Cagayan: http://osm.org/go/42mDB1p
 2. Ilagan, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/42iZ4XQ
 3. Alicia, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/4z3R2CIX- (as well as nearby towns)
 4. Vigan, Ilocos Sur: http://osm.org/go/42LX2zv8-
 5. Bolinao, Pangasinan: http://osm.org/go/4zcwXHm7- (as well as nearby
 towns)
 6. Lucena, Quezon: http://osm.org/go/4y17mj1b-
 7. Maasin, Southern Leyte: http://osm.org/go/4tS0xCUw-- (and nearby towns)
 8. Danao, Cebu: http://osm.org/go/4tRfHSQK- (and other towns along the
 eastern coast of Cebu)
 9. Busuanga Island, Palawan: http://osm.org/go/4yM4J0z-
 10. General Santos City: http://osm.org/go/4sJFTph
 11. Maitum, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sDBfppc-
 12. Glan, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sIQwJYB-
 13. Surigao, Surigao del Norte: http://osm.org/go/4tNezaiu-
 14. eastern half of Camiguin: http://osm.org/go/4tGKqEr

 Keep up the good work guys! We have barely scratched the potential of
 the new Bing imagery but already we have very nice new places mapped!
 :-)

 If you want to see where else you can start tracing, check out our
 Imagery Coverage Map:
 http://forge.codedgraphic.com/osm/imagery_coverage/

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Re: [talk-ph] trunk roads in Mindanao under massive road improvements

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hi maning,

does that include the link between Surigao del Norte and Del Sur? Should be
trunk road but currently tagged primary.
about 14 kilometers of it is rough where only 4x4, trucks and buses can
pass (about an hour travel through the very rough road). Ironically, the
big mining companies of Surigao are there, the ones attacked by the NPA
last year (when I passed by, i still saw burnt dump trucks and smoke from
barges). makes you wonder if mining realy improves the community (gives you
a job but look at the environment, Surigao's hills are going to be
flattened and the rivers turned to red color of clay, plus they can't even
fix the road.

I didn't change the road classification because of this rough road status,
it's shorter if you want to get to Surigao del Sur, better pass by Butuan
from Surigao City

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emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just a short note that if you have plans to travel around Mindanao.

 There are extensive road project improvements all over the island and
 you should allocate additional time (my planned travel of four hours
 took 5 hours) for your travel schedules.

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Re: [talk-ph] Some results of the new Bing imagery

[tutubi]

Rally,

yes you're right, i've tagged many roads here in makati that are one way
from 6am to 9pm (e.g. J.P. Rizal)
some roads here in CBD are two-way during weekends and holidays

I've yet to finish Vigan City center, i think i lost my note on my phone
listing the one-way streets :(

how about Paseo de Roxas? the number of lanes per direction changes. three
lanes going to CBD in the morning, two going out. In the afternoon, three
going out, two cmoing it. even the intersection of Cruzada is blocked
during the day.

but that's an exception :P

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 tutubi,

 IMHO, if a road is assigned as oneway in most of day time (eg. 7am to
 7pm, entire day-time, business hours, most of rush hours), may be we
 should tag it as ONEWAY.

 It's better to err on the safe side, since it's expensive to get
 'oneway traffic violation'. It is much safer for auto-routing gadgets
 and paper maps to show a more conservative/safe routes. It's up to the
 driver on field to decide if there is an exception to that oneway
 rule.

 At night, isn't it that some local resident drivers in the provinces
 tend to break oneway rules (and traffic lights) anyway because there
 are no enforcers? it's free-for-all during night time :-)


 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:17 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 
  on Vigan and other places
  there are many streets (alternating) there that are one-way from 7am to
  7pm...i did not tag them as one way
  for now. will also add the street names later
 
  I could use that map for Tuguegarao and Southern Leyte, will be there in
 a
  few weeks
 
  also, kudos to the mappers of Cebu and Davao City. very much improved.
 was
  in cebu last week, and davao
  last year (and will be back in a few weeks)
 
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  On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi guys,
 
  A lot of you have started tracing using the new Bing imagery and I'd
  like to highlight some of them:
 
  1. Tuguegarao, Cagayan: http://osm.org/go/42mDB1p
  2. Ilagan, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/42iZ4XQ
  3. Alicia, Isabela: http://osm.org/go/4z3R2CIX- (as well as nearby
 towns)
  4. Vigan, Ilocos Sur: http://osm.org/go/42LX2zv8-
  5. Bolinao, Pangasinan: http://osm.org/go/4zcwXHm7- (as well as nearby
  towns)
  6. Lucena, Quezon: http://osm.org/go/4y17mj1b-
  7. Maasin, Southern Leyte: http://osm.org/go/4tS0xCUw-- (and nearby
 towns)
  8. Danao, Cebu: http://osm.org/go/4tRfHSQK- (and other towns along the
  eastern coast of Cebu)
  9. Busuanga Island, Palawan: http://osm.org/go/4yM4J0z-
  10. General Santos City: http://osm.org/go/4sJFTph
  11. Maitum, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sDBfppc-
  12. Glan, Sarangani: http://osm.org/go/4sIQwJYB-
  13. Surigao, Surigao del Norte: http://osm.org/go/4tNezaiu-
  14. eastern half of Camiguin: http://osm.org/go/4tGKqEr
 
  Keep up the good work guys! We have barely scratched the potential of
  the new Bing imagery but already we have very nice new places mapped!
  :-)
 
  If you want to see where else you can start tracing, check out our
  Imagery Coverage Map:
  http://forge.codedgraphic.com/osm/imagery_coverage/
 
  As always, please be careful when tracing especially if you have never
  been to the place.
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Be careful with unaligned Bing imagery!

[tutubi]

my traces for ilocos sur, particularly along the coast of the towns of
santa, sta maria, narvacan et al are generally aligned on most parts, my
traces were generally at fault in some segments due to the straight lines
(that time i was still using ordinary trace, not the diagnostic logging of
my nuvi) but the main highways are generally aligned, just need to smoothen
some segments

i was looking for the trunk road from ilocos sur to abra, not yet on OSM,
but that area is not included in the new imagery :(

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:46 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Agreed. Also consider reading this page:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_mapping

 On the other hand, I know many of us travel a lot around the country  so I
 assume we know the basic highway class to trace. If in doubt, use the
 highway=road tag.
  On Feb 8, 2012 11:44 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys,

 With all of the new Bing imagery that's available, I'd like to remind
 everyone to be careful with unaligned Bing imagery.

 Here's an example showing how two different satellite images are not
 aligned with each other (look at the LBC roof sign):

 http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=14.517377504551362lon=121.00218251959474zoom=18

 Obviously, one (and likely both) of the images is not positioned
 correctly. This shows that Bing's imagery (and even Google's) is not
 always aligned or positioned very accurately. There may be an offset
 of up to 10 meters.

 If there are multiple GPS traces in the area, you should use them to
 align the satellite imagery first before tracing buildings, roads, and
 other features. You can average multiple GPS traces to get a good
 enough positional accuracy and Potlatch, Merkaartor, and JOSM all
 support manually moving the background imagery to the correct
 position.

 If there are no available GPS traces, then it's acceptable to trace
 the Bing imagery directly. Someone can realign the map later on when
 GPS traces would become available.


 For more information, please check out this e-mail that I sent last year:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-ph@openstreetmap.org/msg02829.html


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Re: [talk-ph] More Bing satellite imagery all over the Philippines!

[tutubi]

add Vigan, Ilocos Sur to that list at long last...will edit it later
will also map dipolog and dapitan in zamnorte

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 ## Edited subject; was More Bing satellite imagery in Mindanao! ##

 It's official, 2012 will be the busiest year for OpenStreetMap Philippines
 ever!

 Here's more new imagery in Luzon and Visayas:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165288 - Palawan: Busuanga,
 Coron, Culion
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165286 - Palawan: Busuanga,
 Coron
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165283 - Masbate, Panay,
 Negros, Cebu (Bantayan Island is covered), Bohol
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165281 - Quezon, Oriental
 Mindoro (including Lucena City)
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165280 - Antique: Semirara
 Islands
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165287 - Masbate


 By the end of 2012, I'm predicting that the OSM data for the
 Philippines will double and that the OSM-PH Garmin map will have 6 or
 7 tiles. :)



 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Oh my! There's a LOT of new imagery in Mindanao.
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157752 - Bukidnon and North
 Cotabato
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157751 - Maguindanao to
 Sarangani
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157747 - Sarangani
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157746 - Zamboanga Sibugay
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157745 - Zamboanga del Sur
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157741 - Camiguin to Bukidnon
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157739 - Zamboanga del Norte
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157736 - Zamboanga del
  Norte, del Sur, Sibugay
 
  It seems Microsoft went on a satellite imagery shopping spree! :D
 
  There's also new imagery covering General Santos City all the way to
  Davao del Sur. I haven't traced the outline yet.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  While I was fixing a riverbank in Cotabato City, I ran into some new
  Bing satellite imagery! And there are 3 separate sets of them!
 
  1. Here's the outline around Cotabato City:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145097
 
  2. Here's the outline along the western coast of Central Mindanao:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145096
 
  3. Here's the outline covering eastern Misamis Occidental and western
  Lanao del Norte: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145093
 
  I haven't checked out the exact age of the imagery but how new? Well,
  the imagery in Cotabato City shows the construction site of the Sultan
  Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Masjid, which is the Philippines' largest
  mosque. Google Maps' satellite imagery of Cotabato is older.
 
 http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=7.202384981217136lon=124.16533061457808zoom=20
 
  I'll try to look for more new imagery. :-)
 
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] More Bing satellite imagery all over the Philippines!

[tutubi]

bolinao and west pangasinan, ilocos sur and la union.

some parts of nueva vizcaya but not solano and bayombong :(

i checked northern Laguna, the towns of siniloan, sta maria, and mabitac
and there's still none :(

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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 There's also new imagery for portions of Calamba (Laguna), Santo Tomas and
 Tanauan (Batangas) [see
 http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=14.141729227023987lon=121.14195632934573zoom=14]

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 Philippines!

 add Vigan, Ilocos Sur to that list at long last...will edit it later
 will also map dipolog and dapitan in zamnorte

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 ## Edited subject; was More Bing satellite imagery in Mindanao! ##

 It's official, 2012 will be the busiest year for OpenStreetMap Philippines
 ever!

 Here's more new imagery in Luzon and Visayas:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165288 - Palawan: Busuanga,
 Coron, Culion
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165286 - Palawan: Busuanga,
 Coron
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165283 - Masbate, Panay,
 Negros, Cebu (Bantayan Island is covered), Bohol
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165281 - Quezon, Oriental
 Mindoro (including Lucena City)
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165280 - Antique: Semirara
 Islands
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149165287 - Masbate


 By the end of 2012, I'm predicting that the OSM data for the
 Philippines will double and that the OSM-PH Garmin map will have 6 or
 7 tiles. :)



 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Oh my! There's a LOT of new imagery in Mindanao.
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157752 - Bukidnon and North
 Cotabato
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157751 - Maguindanao to
 Sarangani
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157747 - Sarangani
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157746 - Zamboanga Sibugay
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157745 - Zamboanga del Sur
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157741 - Camiguin to Bukidnon
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157739 - Zamboanga del Norte
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149157736 - Zamboanga del
  Norte, del Sur, Sibugay
 
  It seems Microsoft went on a satellite imagery shopping spree! :D
 
  There's also new imagery covering General Santos City all the way to
  Davao del Sur. I haven't traced the outline yet.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  While I was fixing a riverbank in Cotabato City, I ran into some new
  Bing satellite imagery! And there are 3 separate sets of them!
 
  1. Here's the outline around Cotabato City:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145097
 
  2. Here's the outline along the western coast of Central Mindanao:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145096
 
  3. Here's the outline covering eastern Misamis Occidental and western
  Lanao del Norte: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/149145093
 
  I haven't checked out the exact age of the imagery but how new? Well,
  the imagery in Cotabato City shows the construction site of the Sultan
  Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Masjid, which is the Philippines' largest
  mosque. Google Maps' satellite imagery of Cotabato is older.
 
 http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=7.202384981217136lon=124.16533061457808zoom=20
 
  I'll try to look for more new imagery. :-)
 
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] Several portions of Makati now under Taguig's jurisdiction - what to do next?

[tutubi]

Hi Ian,

it's not yet over. the SC's decision may flip-flop again :P

hmm...which barangay is Kalayaan avenue located? My concern is mostly on
the number coding.
Kalayaan avenue from EDSA up to BGC is Makati where there's no number
coding window.
Taguig has no number coding except EDSA and C5.

I think I need to update my personal map of number-coding free roads :P

IIRC, there's also a request or case of pateros to re-acquire lost
territories from makati, some of those
given to Taguig but that's another story

lastly, residents of those affected barangays like students of UMak may
have to pay tuition, the sick have to look for another hospital besides
OsMak. Senior citizens will miss free movie screenings and birthday cakes
from Binay

;P




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 http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=65articleId=768709

 Question: should we modify the administrative boundaries or wait for
 Makati's reaction/next move?

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads

[tutubi]

Hi Maning,

i'm also thinking of renaming them like the roads around Laguna.
I was thinking or using the main roads of the towns as boundaries say,
Calamba - Los Banos Road or highway.
I intend to use it for Surigao del Sur...

lots of update backlogs for me, lots of unuploaded traces

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Forwarding this mail to the list for further discussion.


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: towns and inter-town roads

 Dear Ed and everyone,

 I actually proposed this naming scheme for national roads without
 names [0], so far, no consensus.  But I fully agree on your proposal
 to do this. Regarding the the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply
 named R-9, would it be better to use a relation for the ref=R-9?

 [0]
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-October/003555.html

 On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Guys,
 
  I have just been on a road trip to the north and have been extensively
 using
  the OSM Garmin Map and experimented in how it can help me find my way
  through inter-town sidetrip travel especially in Northern Pangasinan.
 
  I came up with some nice-to-implement' things on the map.
 
  For starters, it was, and it would really be nice to have those
 inter-town
  roads be named with the town names that they link.  Example:  Urdaneta -
 San
  Jacinto,  or  San Jacinto - San Fabian road
 
  This is very useful as I found out that this helps a lot in showing the
  traveler whether they are on the right route when traveling from town to
  town.  Like, it happened so when I was trying to find my way back from
  Manaoag to Urdaneta yesterday.  I tried following the streets signs at
  Manaoag that say to Manila  and was already on the road leaving Manaoag
  behind when I saw on the GPS telling me:  Driving along Manaoag -
  Mapandan   when I should be along Urdaneta - Manaoag!   Now, if the road
  had no appropriate name on the GPS, I would have ended up in the wrong
 town.
 
  I have already named a number of inter-town roads with the above naming
  convention on OSM.  Especially those that do not have any names yet.
 This
  works well for primary inter-town roads.  But, I have a slight problem
 with
  Trunk roads ... the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply named R-9 ...
  How can we nicely incorporate the town-to-town info on trunks?
 
  Anyway, the whole idea on the above is to give the GPS user a good idea
 on
  what inter-town road they are driving on,  and an idea on what the next
 town
  is down the road, and better even on how far down the road is the next
  town.  It would have been easy to navigate so if the GPS had the town
 names
  as waypoints so the gps user would simply do a find or where to to
 the
  next town.   But problem is, the GPS (or the GPS map) does not always
 have
  the town names available for searching.  The towns cannot be found in
  Cities, well, because they are not really Cities.  They can sometimes
 be
  found under Points of Interest and by doing a Spell Name.
 
  We must somehow have a Town category.  At the moment, on my next road
 trip
  on Dec 23, I will try to compile as much towns as I can and put them on a
  POI list that is uploadable to the Garmin via POI Loader so I can do a
  where to by pointing to the extras.  I will experiment with custom
 route
  uploads too.
 
  yun lang po,
 
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[talk-ph] Bing update?

[tutubi]

hi!

i was uploading traces for surigao del sur when i clicked edit for the
traces, high res imagery showed up.
two months ago they were not there when I chekced before i travelled there.
now I can trace CarCanMadCarLan on Bing :P

a return trip probably in the first quarter of 2011

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Re: [talk-ph] Bing update?

[tutubi]

still no update for Vigan and northeastern Laguna :(

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:16 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks tutubi for sharing the info.

 The coverage is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=141461509

 There maybe other areas, so poke around and check and make sure you
 log the info in our wiki:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery



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[talk-ph] highway from surigao City Tandag, Surigao del Sur

[tutubi]

hi!

i visited Cantilan, Surigao del Sur last week and was able to gather tracks
in the towns of Surigao del Sur (CarCanMadCarLan)
and will update the map one of these days.

I only noticed the national highway from surigao city to cantilan is labeled
to Placer in reference to Placer town of Surigao del Norte.
Since that road is the link between the north and south of Surigao
provinces, I propose to change it to trunk, per our guideline. all street
signs I noticed are labeled national highway, again, off OSM's practice of
stating the name of the two towns where the road passes.

there's just a slight problem there since about 14 kms of the trunk road is
(very) rough road and ironically located in Claver town of Surigao del Norte
(where I saw the mining companies burned by the friendly, handsome and
progressive-thinking NPAs recently) up to a small segment of bordering
Carrascal, Surigao del Sur

the only change i made so far are downgrading of many roads of Surigao City
from secondary to minor/residential and upgrade of the main road to
primary from secondary
(in addition to several POIs)

btw, tomorrow, I'll be in Nueva Vizcaya

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Re: [talk-ph] recent potlatch changes

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i noticed the changes...was looking for the save button and found it on the
other side
i also agree with the zoom placement at the upper left corner of the screen,
like most other maps
place them

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emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 For potlatch users, there will be incremental updates that maybe
 rolling out in a couple of weeks.  These changes were based on the
 usability study presented during the SOTMEU In Vienna.  The first one
 rolled out this week,  the save button is now moved to the left side
 of the panel instead of the usual right.

 In my opinion, the zoom +/- should also be moved to the left for
 consistency with the usual map browsing.

 Another interesting tool you might use for P2 is the OSMInspector
 overlay  provided by Geofabrik.  This shows some common errors you can
 fix.  Details here:
 http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=96

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Re: [talk-ph] plotting jeepney routes on OSM

[tutubi]

mapquest is the one but the site is too slow just to create one map. need
time and patience just to zoom in and load the page :(

i wanted to make route maps of Laguna jeepney routes first
before the EDSA buses and jeepneys of Quiapo, Divisoria and the projects of
Quezon City

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:44 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Several options to embed a route map in a webpage:
 1. Use open.mapquest.com, define a route and then get the embed code.
 For example, this route: http://mapq.st/p3cUIJ . Hit the send to and
 select the your website tab.  You will be given an embed code like
 this:

 iframe style=height: 270px; width: 450px;
 src=http://open.mapquest.com/embed?hk=pX7XLK; marginwidth=0
 marginheight=0 frameborder=0 scrolling=no/iframe

 2.  Create a custom openlayers instance, some tips here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openlayers_Track_example
 https://rejo.zenger.nl/overig/embedding-osm-map-your-track-in-web-page

 On a related note, I think a nice sub-project for everyone is to map
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[talk-ph] plotting jeepney routes on OSM

[tutubi]

Hi!

any idea how to do plot the routes of say jeepneys and buses in the metro
on OSM?

I have blog posts on this topic like the one for divisoria, quiapo and those
going to Projetcs of quezon city:

http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2010/11/how-to-get-to-divisoria-map-jeepney.html
http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2010/11/jeproks-project-quezon-city-jeepney.html

is it possible to just define multiple markers to mark the routes over OSM?
I don't like to
draw them manually over a JPEG map.

I know the jeepneys routes of several places including Laguna and Rizal (to
some extent).
I can even plot the EDSA bus routes too

can i just create the route then point to a single link like
markers/pushpins?

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Re: [talk-ph] Ultimate mapping challenge: marking the Station Balanacan in OSM

[tutubi]

hmmm...i always pass by unknowingly near LAG2 marker. will try to locate it
exactly. there's a nearby gas station and the raymond bus terminal there
near Famy/Siniloan along manila east road

is it a landmark or just the junction of the two roads?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:12 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks ed,

 Has anyone from waypoints  or osm actually visited this reference point?

 I actually found a few of these markers.

 Example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1287703706

 My handheld GPS is off by 6.92 meters from the published PRS92 coordinates.

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Re: [talk-ph] mapping challenge: JMSU coverage and Recto bank

[tutubi]

the other day, I was also looking for Scarborough Shoal off the coast of
Zambales, another disputed area, but can't find it on the map :(

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:48 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 here's a mapping challenge for everyone.

 Jarius Bondoc lamented that the government should publish maps pf the
 disputed Kalayaan Islands and Recto Bank:

 http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=696914publicationSubCategoryId=64

 In the meantime, professional and amateur cartographers might wish to
 plot the nine corners of the JMSU coverage, to see the sellout of
 Philippine territory:

 CORNER   LONGITUDELATITUDE

  1118º 00’ 00”   10º 52’ 00”

  2117º 00’ 00”   08º 55’ 00”

  3112º 54’ 00”   08º 55’ 00”

  4112º 54’ 00”   09º 50’ 00”

  5113º 57’ 00”   09º 50’ 00”

  6113º 57’ 00”   11º 10’ 00”

  7114º 32’ 00”   11º 10’ 00”

  8114º 32’ 00”   11º 56’ 00”

  9118º 00’ 00”   11º 56’ 00”


 The first point is here:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=10.8667mlon=118zoom=12layers=M

 Recto bank known internationally as Reed:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/302106026



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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

[tutubi]

+1 for Vigan and nearby towns of Ilocos Sur...I can complete the street map
once it's there...for now I can interpolate with my traces and just adjust
later when i took note of the missing streets on OSM...intend to re-visit it
next year

Daet, been there couple of times sans gps and will re-visit in a few weeks
(for rizal@150)

Surigao City

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Of course, by basing it on population, we lose out on more popular
 cities and places.

 So other suggestions are:

 * Vigan
 * Tagaytay
 * Boracay
 * Tuguegarao
 * Naga
 * Tagbilaran/Panglao
 * Dumaguete


 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  To be objective about it, I suggest the most populous cities in the
 Philippines.
 
  Looking at this list of cities (sort the table by population):
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_Philippines
  the top 5 most populous cities that don't have aerial imagery yet are:
 
  15. General Santos
  31. Butuan
  38. Cabanatuan
  42. Lucena
  51. Ormoc
 
  We have mappers in Cabanatuan (G-eMapper), Ormoc (axk), Lucena
  (miamuy), and GenSan (kirkrhean), so having aerial imagery in these
  cities would prove useful.
 
  (And yes, 46 out of the top 50 most populous cities in the Philippines
  (at least the downtown/poblacian areas) are all covered by aerial
  imagery. Yay!)
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:44 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  Any wishlist of areas we want Bing to provide imagery?
 
 
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  Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:09 AM
  Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities
  To: t...@openstreetmap.org
 
 
  Hi
 
  I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like
  to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for
  aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. Please mail
  sco...@microsoft.com with the area in question (I'd love to accept
  bounding boxes but don't really have the time so cities/countries are
  the best).
 
  I will pass this on to the right people and we may or may not be able to
 help.
 
  Thanks
 
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[talk-ph] how about mapping parties for car clubs/forums?

[tutubi]

i also frequent several car forums and car clubs though not actually a warm
body at EBs but many times GPS navigation is a topic.
how about reaching out to those clubs/forums to let them know how to
contiribute rather than just be passive users
and oftentimes complain of wrong data that they themselves can correct or
ping the right people

just a thought

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[talk-ph] jose rizal and the streets of Sampaloc, Manila

[tutubi]

hope you will excuse me for this one email...
it's not mapping related but about the street names of Sampaloc, Manila in
relation to Jose Rizal.

http://www.backpackingphilippines.com/2011/06/jose-rizal-street-sampaloc-manila-map.html

from a batang sampaloc of ten years...

just for your info :P

btw, i passed by again Mabuhay Rotonda, the link roads to espana and quezon
avenue are now open again but I didn't use it to turn left to Mayon...i used
the u-turn slot for i'm afraid it's really a roundabout but a u-turn slot
even if there's no sign...i'd rather use the safe yet longer turn than argue
with a hidden traffic enforcer waiting to pounce on me hehe

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[talk-ph] C6

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Hi!

is the entire stretch of C6 from Bicutan to Cainta now passable by car? I'll
be somewhere in Paranaque this weekend then can pass by C6 to get to East
Bank Road, an alternative to the usual SLEX, EDSA

also, when I went to Timberland Heights in San Mateo, Rizal, the road going
there is tagged C-6. Is that zigzag road really part of the still under
construction C6 or just an error?

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Re: [talk-ph] C6

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Hi Rally,

OSM (my almost 1 week old version) says it's unpaved up to Dike Road or
should I use Kenneth Road, Ejercito and Eusebio avenue to get to Barkadahan
Bridge?

thanks for the prompt reply

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 yup, C6 is passable (asphalt road) from Bicutan (coming from camp bagong
 diwa) crossing Napindan Channel to Taytay, then crossing Floodway via
 Barkadahan Bridge to East Bank Road. Around 30mins ride.

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:12 PM, tutubi 
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:

 Hi!

 is the entire stretch of C6 from Bicutan to Cainta now passable by car?
 I'll be somewhere in Paranaque this weekend then can pass by C6 to get to
 East Bank Road, an alternative to the usual SLEX, EDSA

 also, when I went to Timberland Heights in San Mateo, Rizal, the road
 going there is tagged C-6. Is that zigzag road really part of the still
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Re: [talk-ph] Grande Island Resort is using OSM

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Hi Rally,

I have a trace of the Dos Palmas ferry route (and even pearl farm) but
i didn't upload them when i saw the route is already there. Perhaps I
can check. Also, the islands of Honda Bay are not tagged they way
locals call the islands...just remembered it now...will correct later
:P

ferry routes also depends on directions of the waves i.e. boatmen and
sailors don't approach waves head on but at around 45 degrees to
lessen impact.

i used to boat around laguna lake as a child and that was one of the
things experienced boatmen taught me :P

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On 5/30/11, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think we can add non-gps ferry route on water bays known to be deep enough
 (eg subic area), or no known fishpens or fish cages in the area. (not
 recommended in laguna de bay).

 In night-time or zero-visibility navigation using untested ferrt route,
 smaller pump boats may end up going through fishnets :-)

 eg. the short pumpboat ride between Dos Palmas Resort  Isla Punting
 Buhangin can be tricky since there are shallow water/sand bars

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Re: [talk-ph] sticker ideas for osmers

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looks good...not yet available locally? i think it's quite easy to
produce, even an office printer can print stickers

an officemate also egging me to reproduce those Eagles of Makati car
stickers for well..you know the purpose, like those PNP stickers.

simply told them, just follow the rules and you'll be fine (not get fined) :P

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On 5/29/11, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

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there's no timeframe...i actually got wind of the info the day before they
closed their bank. and now under PDIC receivership.
they probably will never be revived as BSP chose to close them, instead of
helping them, due to their legal battle (you know, BF sued the regulator and
won but never got the  compensation as ordered by the court...a case of BSP
power-tripping...but I digress)

can a script temporarily edit/delete all their ATMs/branches at once?

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Is this a temporary shutdown?Is there a timeframe when it will be back
 online?

 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  how about temporarily deleting/editing the atm=yes for all Banco Filipino
  atms as they're all offline now.
 



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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging suggestion: Use the branch=* tag!

[tutubi]

noted on this.
banks are my favorite POIs as i try to remember them when i pass by (i'm
from the banking industry)

how about temporarily deleting/editing the atm=yes for all Banco Filipino
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi guys,

 For establishments that have a branch name (like banks), put the
 branch name into the branch tag instead of stuffing it into the name
 tag.

 For example, the Bank of Commerce located near the San Miguel
 Corporation HQ in Ortigas is this node:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/747625995

 It currently has the following tags:
 amenity=bank
 name=Bank of Commerce
 branch=San Miguel
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[talk-ph] anyone from Malabon/Valenzuela?

[tutubi]

been trying to fix routing errors there due to Macarthur hway should be
dual-carriageway up to (and probably beyond Marulas) and where not all
streets actually cross the trunk road contributing to looping route
suggestion.

I've already fixed routing to my brother's house in Acacia, Malabon (from QC
it's now ok) either via Mabini or Gov. Pascual. Done also routing checks in
Caloocan near 8th St and C3 and added missing crossing/u-turn slots.

if there's anyone, please survey which roads actually cross MacArthur and
where the u-turn slots are located. Macarthur will be a single-carriageway
somewhere in Bulacan up to the far north. for now, expect routing errors in
the area

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Re: [talk-ph] routing errors in davao city

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hehe...I agree. lots of experiments here in Metro Manila too. It's just
recently that i noticed Paseo de Roxas in Makati from makati ave to Buendia
is now a dual-carriageway with a few meters now with permanent concrete and
steel railings. I pass there everyday but i didn't take notice till a few
days ago :P

I remember also the moving bollards in Pasig. one lane in the morning, three
lanes in the afternoon and it used to be one-way...

keep it up!

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.comwrote:

  Those barriers come and go, maybe it depends on the mood of the traffic
 management. Anyway, I will do some corrections later. Thanks!


 -Original Message-
 From: tutubi [tut...@backpackingphilippines.com]
 Sent: 3/31/2011 4:04:56 PM
 To: mur...@mail2engineer.com
 Cc:
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] routing errors in davao city
 
 Hi Marloue,
 
 JP Laurel should generally be a two-way, single-carriageway. there are
 only cats
 eyes/lane markers there, no center islands nor barriers (like those in
 front of
 Victory Mall)...
 
 dual carriageways that are not really one in reality will make navigator
 suggest
 routes that loops or other paths directly opposite the lane due to the
 presence of
 the barrier or ways not linked to the other carriageway.
 
 I already found the error before I came there (to Bajada View in front of
 SSS
 Bajada) and verified if JP Laurel is really a dual-carriageway. the only
 segment
 of Laurel as dual-carriageway is in front of Victory Mall (where a
 no-left-turn to
 the service road should be placed), near the Bajada Interchange and a
 segment near
 C.M. Recto.
 
 on East Avenue, it's really a dual-carriageway with center island and
 steel
 barriers in the middle, recently passed there again last saturday just to
 eat at
 Little Quiapo. I only remembered i have to add a no-left-turn from
 Matalino to
 East Ave (then use a U-turn slot to get to EDSA). I've no updated info on
 NIA road
 though but I remember it as dual-carriageway with a center island.
 
 lastly, i add errors to openstreetbugs :P
 
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 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com
 wrote:
 
 Tutubi,
 
 I am based in Davao, thanks for the info.
 - where exactly the routing errors? To correct them.
 - why do you think J. P. Laurel Ave. be a single-carriageway? (should
 review also
 East Ave and NIA Road in Manila those are part of my reference)
 - the turn restrictions are new to Davao we will be updating that.
 
 Add the errors here:
 http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?zoom=14lat=7.103lon=125.682
 
 Well, I really think the National Highway from Talomo to Ilang in Tibunco
 should
 be a dual-carriageway.
 
 
 Best,
 
 murlwe
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: tutubi [tut...@backpackingphilippines.com]
 Sent: 3/31/2011 10:44:23 AM
 To:
 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] routing errors in davao city
 
 hi!
 
 anyone based in davao? was there for 2 days (tuesday and wednesday) again
 after 7
 years and boy, davao is really booming!
 
 Since I already stored the coordinates of my destination prior to my
 trips, i
 noticed routing errors caused by JP Laurel depicted as dual-carriageway
 that
 should only be a single-carriageway, 4 lane highway that's actually
 davao's main
 road
 
 the only segments i noticed where it should be depicted as dual are those
 near
 the
 Bajada interchange, and portions near Victory mall (where turn
 restriction should
 also be placed) and probably near C.M. Recto near Marco Polo
 
 another such road is C.P Garcia leading to the airport and probably
 portions of
 davao-agusan highway
 
 Davao City has great coverage but routing is problematic due to the dual-
 carriageways (a similar case in Cebu City's Archbishop Reyes)
 
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[talk-ph] routing errors in davao city

[tutubi]

hi!

anyone based in davao? was there for 2 days (tuesday and wednesday) again
after 7 years and boy, davao is really booming!

Since I already stored the coordinates of my destination prior to my trips,
i noticed routing errors caused by JP Laurel depicted as dual-carriageway
that should only be a single-carriageway, 4 lane highway that's actually
davao's main road

the only segments i noticed where it should be depicted as dual are those
near the Bajada interchange, and portions near Victory mall (where turn
restriction should also be placed) and probably near C.M. Recto near Marco
Polo

another such road is C.P Garcia leading to the airport and probably portions
of davao-agusan highway

Davao City has great coverage but routing is problematic due to the
dual-carriageways (a similar case in Cebu City's Archbishop Reyes)

Hope we can clean things up. I'll be going back there in a few months time

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Re: [talk-ph] recent crash problems to osmphgps mapsource/roadtrip installers

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so it's really the map having problems.  yesterday i thought it was
mapsource, i tried to re-install mapsource...then downloaded again to
re-install the map to no avail when I PMed you

the error must have been introduced last week. i update my map weekly
and tried to update before i come here  in davao

can we just rollback or try to check the changes made last week?

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 There are some recent crash problems with the mapsource and roadtrip
 installers of osmphgps.  See detailed issue report here:
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Re: [talk-ph] bataan provincial highway as dual carriageway?

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I see. I remember this thread but i didn't reply as i'm not sure about what
you were discussing then   :P

From SCTEx Dinalupihan Exit, that highway is just a two-lane road, not
dual-carriageway, up to Balanga and the road going to Mt. Samat and Bagac
(in bad condition).  It's probably the same up to the end of it somewhere in
Morong/mariveles as most provincial highways are. I've never been beyond
Balanga so I can't comment but can only guess it's the all throughout the
entire length of the road.

anyway, I didn't see errors when i simulated routing on Mapsource as the
road going to Bagac is connected to the right way.

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:56 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think this was discussed on another thread:
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-June/002311.html

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  I was looking at the map to Bataan just looking for a resort there to
  be visited next month and I ntoiced the road from Dinalupihan exit of
  SCTEx leading to Balanga and Mt Samat is a dual-carriageway...I don't
  remember it as such when i visited mt samat in 2009.
 
  maybe there's only a particular segment that's a dual carriageway, but
  not the entire length.
 
  one other major road like this is MacArthur Highway from Monumento,
  though it's the opposite. It's a dual from Monumento up to Marulas but
  not sure where it will turn to a single carriageway somewhere in
  Bulacan
 
  I hope to correct the map before I go there so I can already check
  routing to Bataan via NLEx and SCTEx.
 
  any inputs?
 
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[talk-ph] bataan provincial highway as dual carriageway?

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I was looking at the map to Bataan just looking for a resort there to
be visited next month and I ntoiced the road from Dinalupihan exit of
SCTEx leading to Balanga and Mt Samat is a dual-carriageway...I don't
remember it as such when i visited mt samat in 2009.

maybe there's only a particular segment that's a dual carriageway, but
not the entire length.

one other major road like this is MacArthur Highway from Monumento,
though it's the opposite. It's a dual from Monumento up to Marulas but
not sure where it will turn to a single carriageway somewhere in
Bulacan

I hope to correct the map before I go there so I can already check
routing to Bataan via NLEx and SCTEx.

any inputs?

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[talk-ph] tagging lighthouses and towers

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just found out the other day there's already Navigation Aid and
Tower/Mast under Man-made when using Potlatch2 drag and drop

was able to use them in tagging the radio station along roosevelt, QC.
will add the other lighthouses I'm aware of to the map later

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Re: [talk-ph] Recording POI's with a camera

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geotaggging, something i was looking for last year but found the
add-on expensive

i did some sort of crude mapping last weekend. while looking for some
shops on Roosevelt Ave, QC, i took pictures of the road and signages
so that i don't have to make mental notes...
several shops visited while wifey did some shopping...




On 3/15/11, Ian Haylock hayloc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 You probably know this already, but I only discovered it a few weeks ago.

 I knew if you had a digital camera with GPS that you could load pictures
 from it into JOSM and the would apear at the correct location on the map.

 What I did not realize was that you can also use a digital camera even if it
 doesn't have a built in GPS receiver. This is because the camera records the
 time that the picture was taken.

 To make this work you need to start your GPS recording. Then just take
 photo's of any POI's that take your fancy.
 When you get home load the recorded track into JOSM.
 Then right click on the GPS layer (in the layer list), and import the
 photo's you took on the trip.
 The POI photo's are then imported at the correct location on the map.
 If the locations are slightly off, they can be manually adjusted, by
 adjusting the time offset.

 This could save a lot of note taking on mapping parties, as you could just
 take a photo of a road, and later use that to enter details of road type,
 surface type, etc.

 I find this technique works well riding shotgun in a car when on some
 mundane trip  to the supermarket,as it enables me to record subdivision
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Re: [talk-ph] GPS article

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well, with the Philippine ATM setup, jamming GPS won't jam ATM machines in
Pinas.

I don't think there's a correlation with the ATMs and clock jamming, out of
sync time for machines will only be a reconciliation problem (the payment
back-office side) of banks but ATM transactions won't be affected. Must be a
hypothesis without any real proof GPS jamming did it...encryption of ATMs
also use 3DES and not any time-based algorithm.

Jamming the GPS will only make the signal unavailable but the time of the
NTP primary server (network time protocol, who gets signals from the GPS
satellite) will still be the same, and if even altered may alter system and
network time but won't make ATM network go offline

anyway, here's an interesting news from Google Maps
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/infotech/view/20110308-324118/Google-Maps-now-helps-users-beat-traffic-jams

this is one of my future nice-to-have
what if we can alter routing algorithm decisions with time-based/real time
practical max_speed for garmin
to make intelligent routing decisions like this one?

we all know the ETA for our units are not even near real world

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really have second thoughts on this issue, you dont care what the machine
 time is you care the server time.. The next issue is that there is not a
 single article about ATM's failing in San Deigo in a mass scale in 2007..
 That
 would have been big news..

 The guy seems to be real, but the article is a little more fiction..

 I would never use the terminals time, it is the time the termial talks to
 the
 base system that is most important which is where when the phones are down
 then the ATM's fail..


 The codes are not based on GPS they have highly specific clocks, which is
 the
 same technology in the RSA keyrings you can buy. GPS is alot more expensive
 than a proper crystal..http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1311

 He also mentioned the ATMS talked wirelessly, SHIT the Military had blocked
 that for the prupose of the exersice all wireless communication..

 He just went to far in his assumptions that GPS caused the ATM's to fail..


 Your cell phone also is not going to fail in the US because of lack of
 GPS..



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  ATMs are using GPS because of the timestamps simply because atomic
  clocks are very expensive to install on each ATM.  Personally, I find
  it interesting because they found a use of GPS signal other than
  positioning.  However, I felt a certain degree on uneasiness for our
  increasing reliance to GPS signals in many of our daily activities,
  considering the planned expansion and creation of other GNSS (GLONASS,
  Galileo, China and Japan) are far from operational.
 
  On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:
   On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote:
  
   Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also
   jammed to
   stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship..
  
   GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps
   units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS..
  
   Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs did use GPS, as the ATM
   system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it
   would fail until this test was run.
  
   My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk
   analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one
   which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I
   personally found it so interesting.
  
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[talk-ph] Quirino Bridge, Banaoang, Santa, Ilocos Sur

[tutubi]

Hi !

I again went to Vigan to stay for the night from Sta. Cruz last week, on my
way I tried to route and noticed
my Nuvi's directing me to use the old bridge, instead of the new one.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.55973lon=120.46364zoom=16

on my way back it's still the same. Any idea why?  guess it's because the
old bridge is linked to the highway, the new one
is a completely new way thus it's treated as a turn.

also, from Vigan, I saw DPWH billboards decalring the portion of the road
under repair as Manila North Road...the road's tagged as
Narvacan - Vigan...street signs say it's National Highway and yet the DPWH
billboard says Manila North Road.

Hoping for a Bing update for Vigan and Ilocos Sur so we can have more
complete road network there. Noticed also the missing Ilocos Sur- Abra Road
near Narvacan on the map.

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[talk-ph] how do I tag watchtowers?

[tutubi]

I found them in Ilocos Sur and La Union...
bateria in san esteban and Luna, La Union

didn't find them in Santa and Narvacan as advertised by Ilocos Sur gov't. :(

temporarily tagged them as ruins using the drag-and-drop POIs of P2. I was
thinking they're like castles or forts too
how about lighthouses? :P

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[talk-ph] Proposal: araneta avenue as trunk

[tutubi]

trunk hunting mode :P

araneta is a wide road that connects Caloocan to QC to Manila and San Juan.
it's other end is connected to 5th ave/C3 and linked with R10 of Navotas and
Malabon, another trunk road

Quezon Avenue and 5th avenue/C3 are already trunk roads...
doesn't araneta deserve the same?

how about Bonifacio that links it to NLEX, EDSA, Quezon city and Manila?
 it's a logical move at a certain zoom level where the linked roads should
be easily spotted.

this has the added benefit of optimized routing. from Quezon Avenue to
Makati, my garmin prioritizes Espana (then Lacson to Osmena HW),
that we all know is always slow moving against the faster pace of travel on
araneta (that's why i pass there everyday)

if not agreeable, suggest we downgrade 5th ave. to primary to be consistent


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[talk-ph] calamba-sta cruz famy junction road?

[tutubi]

this always bugs me whenever i pass by calamba going home
from calamba crossing, the road's tagged as calamba-sta cruz famy junction
road
(famy is quite far away)

if you ask locals and see addresses printed on business establishments
signages, it just says
national highway...even locals in Paete call it National Highway and Manila
East Road doesn't ring a bell
(though it's really MER)

this is from calamba to Pila...in Pila it's changed to Manila East
Road...not sure where MER ends
but can I change it to National Highway? After Crossing, it's tagged as such
to Cabuyao, Binan and San Pedro.
How about tagging it as Provincial Highway though it's really a national
road?


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Re: [talk-ph] RFC re-tag Halsema Highway from primary to trunk

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sounds like trunk hunting to me :P

trunks are visible at a certain zoom level on my nuvi and mapsource...
zooming in will reveal the primaries.
there are others out there should be upgraded to be visible to get the idea
of general route to take

btw, i'm browsing my off-line map and noticed pan-philippine highway and
sometimes it's maharlika somewhere
near camarines norte


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 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Recalling this discussion ... in the same light, shouldn't we upgrade the
  Bagabag - Bontoc road as trunk too since it connects Nueva Vizcaya -
 Ifugao
  - Mountain Province?  And it passes through the provincial capitols too.

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[talk-ph] baclaran rotonda?

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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20110203-318309/MMDA-Rotunda-eases-traffic-in-Baclaran-area

it's not yet there on OSM, right?

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Re: [talk-ph] tagging rotund/roundabout

[tutubi]

I was searching for this some time ago because I once heard my Nuvi say
roundabout
somewhere but not around Quezon Circle or Maysilo where I pass by quite
regularly

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout

will try to edit Quezon Circle and check then edit Maysilo and Monumento,
MOA et al

Welcome rotonda is not a rotonda anymore and also no longer Welcome but
Mabuhay Rotonda, much more the so-called EDSA rotonda :P


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On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:07 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 A question was posted in the OSMPH facebook page:

 Hi folks. I noticed that OSM PH doesn't seem to have the rotundas
 correctly mapped. I believe they have to be entered as roundabouts
 instead curved paths or turns. Baguio rotundas seem to be correctly
 mapped. How do you do that?

 The same author sent me a similar inquiry via FB message:

 I noticed that OSM PH doesn't seem to have the rotundas correctly
 mapped for most of metro manila. I believe they have to be entered as
 roundabouts instead curved paths or turns. Baguio rotundas seem to
 be correctly mapped. But how do you do that?

 sa baguio kasi i noticed that as you entered a rotunda (like the one
 near Wright Park), my GPS correctly calls it a roundabout and its
 voice prompt also correctly instructs to take the nth exit from the
 roundabout. compare that to say, the Welcome Rotunda coming from
 Manila as you enter rotunda towards UP GPS voice prompt would say
 turn left and the right. Instead it should have said enter
 roundabout and exit at Quezon Avenue.

 My answer below:
 I think Welcome Rotonda doesn't have a roundabout tag, hence, your
 Nuvi don't recognize them when giving turn directions. The way I see
 it 'Welcome Rotonda technically is not a roundabout anymore.
 =

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Re: [talk-ph] RFC re-tag Halsema Highway from primary to trunk

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agree on this.

i wonder how it is now, the highest highway in PH...passed by in 2004 when
it was not yet finished from baguio to sagada (6 to 7 hours travel by
bus) but damaged again by typhoons years later. is the whole stretch still
concrete/asphalt or returned to unpaved?

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 trunk - from benguet to mountain province to ifugao to nueva ecija
 (connecting to daang maharlika)




 On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 My two centavos worth ... (from reading various opinions on the subject)
 ...

 If the road crosses provinces and IS the main road of choice for
 travelling from one province to another, I would agree tagging it as trunk.



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 Halsema Highway is the major route/artery in CAR.  Currently, it is
 tagged as highway:primary.  I'm pondering on re-tagging it to
 highway:trunk.  Any comments.
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Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

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Hi Jim,

if you're from the north i.e. QC, it's faster via Rizal route. around 2.5
hours from Trinoma
From Trinoma via Calamba, it's 3.5 hrs. SM Calamba is already open and even
the bypass road that will pass the new Calamba City hall has heavy traffic.
The trikes on Manila East Road are such nuisance too

total distance from trinoma via rizal is about 90 kms while via calamba is
probably 110 kms. 10am is quite late so expect heavy traffic too from
Calamba to Los Banos

btw, I'm from paete :P

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 Hi all,

 Planning a trip to Lake Caliraya in Feb. Will turn my GPS on of course, but
 the main idea is to do some trail running with some friends, rather than
 mapping.

 Anyway, we're leaving Makati at around 10am on Saturday morning. Do any of
 you seasoned drivers have any opinions as to whether it would be faster to
 go North via Antipolo-Morong-Famy or south via Calamba-Bay. My only
 experience of this route was a single occasion where I hit a massive traffic
 jam in Pagsanjan. And of course the hit-or-miss SLEX.

 I'm thinking it should take between 2.5 and 3.5 hours.

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Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

[tutubi]

Hi Jim,

your suggested alternate is via Makban? I have yet to take it so I can't
comment. only the recently opened toll road from SLEX to sto tomas makes
this a little easier but i doubt if it will shorten your travel time than
braving calamba traffic

how about c5 then ortigas or eastbank road to taytay then hway 2000 to
manila east road? there's also C6 to Taytay where it's a short drive to
Manila East Road but have yet to actually see if it's already navigable by
car on the Taytay end. that's a place i plan to explore soon since it's near
my new home near the pasig/cainta area

i take the rizal route due to it's predictability with no toll fees, yes,
and the only traffic there is on the Antipolo side. I take Marcos Highway to
Masinag then Sumulong. I've yet to take Ortigas Avenue but it's manageable
from EDSA to junction (where I often pass by en route to Cainta) Even
without the GPS, the route is easy for it's always a left turn from Masinag
:P

suggest you leave earlier than 10am to avoid the opening of the malls :P

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 tutubi wrote, On Tuesday, 25 January, 2011 10:37 AM:
  total distance from trinoma via rizal is about 90 kms while via calamba
 is probably 110 kms. 10am is quite late so expect heavy traffic too from
 Calamba to Los Banos

 How about, for example, going past the Calumba turn and coming off at San
 Rafael near Tanauan? Then Pan Philippine Highway, make a left at San Felix,
 and rejoin the main road at Bay? Probably an extra 20km, but it avoids
 Calamba and Los Banos?

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Re: [talk-ph] Bing Maps has an updated satellite image of Metro Manila?

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norte only, no sur for me as i wanted to complete the vigan map

did not touch siniloan laguna and tayabas quezon, just another frame would
have included the two towns...at least much of laguna's 4th district is
there

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 There's also Ilocos Norte. Paoay and Laoag are covered.

 On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:39 AM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  San Jose, Mindoro
 
 http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=12.354018598177717lon=121.0781912505783zoom=15
 
  Finally found one myself.
 
  On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Lucban Quezon!!!  Oh wow!  I was painstakingly working on that area
 together
  with my friend (username: seacid) and his personal gps traces.  Was
  pleasantly surprised to see very good resolution on Lucban!!!  At least,
  seacid's traces will make good aligning guide for Bing if needed.
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:41 PM, tutubi 
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com
  wrote:
 
  northeastern laguna up to Pangil...Siniloan was not included just where
 I
  needed to do major re-alignments.
  pagsanjan's covered as well as luisiana. was surprised even brgy. san
  antonio of Kalayaan, an upland barrio, is there
  thus I can see the winding road going there even up to Paete's tatlong
  krus (i passed by those roads many times in the past but not yet with a
 GPS.
  the old BWSM data just don't match and way too far off)
  Lucban Quezon's there but not Tayabas...last year I visited the two
 towns
  and will re-visit probably within the month
 
  On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:37 AM, maning sambale
  emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Really awesome given the fact that the first announcement was barely 3
  months.  I update the list and outline here:
 
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery#Bing_Imagery
 
  Please add more info.
 
  Question? I noticed that the additional imagery overlapped with the
  previous ones, see my initial outline for eastern Laguna:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/96022347
 
  Do I just merge this to the other imagery outline?
 
  On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:26 AM, tutubi
  tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
   Cool!
   very high-res image of my town, i checked it a few days ago and it
   wasn't
   there...will trace the missing alleys...
   will also make corrections with other neighboring towns of Laguna
 where
   I
   always find myself driving off-road
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   Other new areas covered (no outlines yet, sorry, and not an
 exhaustive
   list):
  
   1. Bacolod and parts of Negros Occidental
   2. Kidapawan and parts of eastern Cotabato and southern Bukidnon
   3. Digos and large parts of Davao del Sur
   4. A strip of Camotes Sea from Leyte (just shy of Ormoc) down to
   northeastern Bohol including Camotes Islands
   5. More of Cebu province: a strip going north of Cebu City to just
   before Bogo and a strip of the sea south almost touching Bohol
   6. Southern and eastern Laguna and some parts of Quezon including
 San
   Pablo, Santa Cruz, Pakil, Paete, Pagsanjan, Cavinti, and Lucban.
  
   Ian Lopez and Tutubi, you can now trace from Bing in your
 hometowns!
   And Google doesn't have your towns yet in hi-res.
  
  
  
   On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar
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Sorry for the barrage of email. :-p
   
And here's another imagery from Bing. This is is a set of
overlapping
satellite photos and it's huge! It spans from Batangas to La
 Union
and
covers the cities of San Fernando (La Union), Baguio, Dagupan,
Urdaneta, Tarlac City, Angeles, San Fernando (Pampanga),
 Olongapo,
Malolos, and Cavite City.
   
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=95954039
   
   
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar
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wrote:
There's also new imagery in other areas of the country. For
example,
here's the outline of the imagery covering northeastern Bulacan
 and
eastern Nueva Ecija: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=95952038
   
I'll try to look for others. You can also help by using this
 Bing
imagery analyzer tool which I've mentioned last year:
http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/
   
   
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar
sea...@gmail.com wrote:
There is new satellite imagery!
   
Their satellite image of Eastwood City is even newer than
Google's!
   
The imagery in the Bonifacio Global City area dates to around
 late
2009 to early 2010, same as with Google.
   
But ack! This is both a bad thing and a good thing. Good
 because
we
have newer and higher resolution imagery to work with and bad
because

[talk-ph] my first turn restriction...please check

[tutubi]

buendia corner malugay/tordesillas

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/diary/12838

i will test this next week if it routes correctly...i will be adding quite a
handful from QC, Manda and Makati,
almost a year after I joined you guys here :P

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Re: [talk-ph] mapping prominent person's tombs (was Re: Fwd: incorrect road map in QC)

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yeah, you're right. I think we limit it possibly to past presidents,
national artists, and national heroes so we don't argue on the
definition of prominent :P


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 I think it's OK to add prominent person's tomb in the map. Although a
 borderline of who is popular/prominent can be difficult to define.  I
 also don't know what tag should be used.

 (adding the talk-ph list for further discussion)
 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:38 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 regarding cemeteries, is it alright if I put the POI of the Vizcondes'
 tomb at Holy Cross? I frequent Holy cross but it's adequately mapped
 already

 i would like to know also the exact locations of the tombs of popular
 people like of pres roxas at south cemetery, prominent persons at the
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Re: [talk-ph] RA 10067 Tubbataha Reefs National Park (TRNP) Act of 2009 has coordinates of the park's boundaries

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you should see the new P1000 bill...there's a map there and points to the
reef as located near malaysia :(

shame...shame on geographically-challenged people in government

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 Here's a PDF link of the scanned copy of the law from the Senate
 website: http://www.senate.gov.ph/republic_acts/ra%2010067.pdf

 It contains coordinates of the park's boundaries in PRS92 datum:

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Re: [talk-ph] Skyway Bicutan-Sucat and SLEx TR3 open s (was Skyway’s Bicutan-Sucat section opens b efore year-end)

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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear Tutubi,

 No public trace exist in the area aside from yours, my theory is that
 Navigator25 (the username) interpolated the roads from somewhere:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/89177967

 Your trace is the only real proof (for now) of the road location and
 shape in OSM therefore It's OK that you touch them.


done with the edits where I simply dragged the road over my traces except
for the new exit links in Sto. Tomas...there's now a figure of eight at the
end of the toll road, it's not a direct link ... will try to route next week
and upload traces again

YES! and that is ianlopez who started editing San Pablo w/o any hires

 imagery or GPS device.  No other map that I know of has tremendous
 detail for San Pablo other than OSM. :)


hmm...even the roads corssing the railroad were there complete with street
names...nice.

btw, I'm going back to Ilocos Sur next year and may be able to complete the
interior road network of Vigan
as well as other Ilocos Sur towns where I visited most town centers.

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Re: [talk-ph] Skyway Bicutan-Sucat and SLEx TR3 open s (was Skyway’s Bicutan-Sucat section opens b efore year-end)

[tutubi]

Hi Eugene,

heard the news last night about these, and guess what,
I'm in San Pablo right now. Passed by the newly-opened calamba sto tomas
toll road bypassing Turbina, no toll fees for now til jan 1.
Connects directly to Startoll, saw buses passing already and exits near LISP
to the highway  ...will pass by again going home tonight and will update OSM
tomorrow

yeah, the Alabang portion's not yet open unlike what they reported

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 According to this Manila Bulletin article
 http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/293025/skyway-extension-sucat-opens,
 the segment of the Skyway from Bicutan to Sucat (not Alabang) is now
 open (and I think the ramps from SLEx ground-level will be dismantled)
 as well as SLEx Toll Road 3 project or the SLEx-STAR link road.

 Time to get your GPS tracks southern guys!!!


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 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is this the road?:
  http://osm.org/go/4zhDGp1g--
 
 http://www.skyway.com.ph/news/49-skyways-bicutan-sucation-section-opens-before-year-end.html
 
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[talk-ph] TPLEX UC

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on my way home from Vigan recently, i passed by victoria tarlac instead of
gerona and tarlac to avoid traffic.
on the road going to victoria near the end of SCTEX, there's a sign and
detour of the on-going construction
of TPLEX where you can see clearing operation going on

so that new expressway up to Rosario La Union is really in full swing

i should've stopped and took pictures...next time
Once completed, it will greatly cut travel time to the northern provinces

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[talk-ph] C6

[tutubi]

is there already a trace of this road? motorcycles can already pass, as seen
on several forums where they discussed this
since 2008...still dirt roads on some parts and not yet for cars...

would just love to get to see it on Mapsource. I saw the entrance in Bicutan
last month where motorcycles enter the road

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Re: [talk-ph] C6

[tutubi]

Hi Eugene,

It think it's not the whole stretch, but just a portion of it. I saw
pictures of the dirt taken my motorcycle riders (and thus expect only
track label in OSM).

C6 also seem to have no link to Eusebio road then Ejercito to get to the
floodway and the map also has something like a subdivision but seems
to-scary-to-be-true road network.

If there's a link there I could have taken the route to get to Quezon avenue
in taguig rather than C5-east service road- paulino santos.

I would love to pass by one of these days. I'm searching for an old
lighthouse in Napindan to explore in the future.

thanks


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On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote:

 You mean this? http://osm.org/go/4zhDbNC6--

 The whole stretch up to the Taguig-Taytay boundary is already in OSM
 for some time now. :-)


 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
  is there already a trace of this road? motorcycles can already pass, as
 seen
  on several forums where they discussed this
  since 2008...still dirt roads on some parts and not yet for cars...
 

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Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?)

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Hi Maning,

i guess it's BSWM as it's also the roads I aligned in Pakil and Paete
as well as those I deleted/labeled as FIXMEs in Lumban town. The roads
I deleted in Pakil earlier were also labeled BSWM.

It appears the stray roads of Pangil are also duplicates for they
align with my trace, yet parallel with the main and only road in and
out of barangay Balian

Pagsanjan town only needed street names (added already) while Sta.
Cruz is pretty much covered and accurate so far

Siniloan is most problematic that's why I asked for help. you can see
I passed by the highway before going to Siniloan town proper to cvoer
more ground. Siniloan map need to me dragged southward and compressed.

btw, what's wrong with Magallanes?

thanks for the help


On 9/21/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna.  Looking at his trace
 and the existing data.  I am perplexed at the significant mismatch:
 http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.4219lon=121.44588layers=00B000TFFF

 Pakil has some issues as well.
 http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.38564lon=121.47735layers=00B000TFFF

 I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import.  Or
 probably similar to Magallanes situation?

 Forwarded conversation
 Subject: can you help me with this one?
 

 From: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com
 Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM
 To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535

 it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the
 mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so
 it's ok now.

 there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like
 the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads

 thanks

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 To: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com


 OK. I'll look into it later.  Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :)
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Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?)

[tutubi]

I already made re-alignments since i'm familiar with the road network
and also deleted spurious roads or added FIXMEs. I just have to
re-trace when I come home next month or during the long break in
December.

at least I won't find myself driving off-road again when i'm lost
in that part of the world

might also drop by and explore Sta. Maria. I went there years ago to
look for the old church only to be disappointed by a new one.
(Internet's really full of misinformation). I hope to trek to the
waterfalls if I can sneak from wifey who's quick to warn me not to be
so adventurous hehe

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On 9/21/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 BSWM data is sometimes quite wrong. I had to delete some of those roads that
 clashed horribly with the traces we collected for GMA, Cavite.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934


 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna.  Looking at his trace
 and the existing data.  I am perplexed at the significant mismatch:

 http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.4219lon=121.44588layers=00B000TFFF

 Pakil has some issues as well.

 http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17lat=14.38564lon=121.47735layers=00B000TFFF

 I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import.  Or
 probably similar to Magallanes situation?

 Forwarded conversation
 Subject: can you help me with this one?
 

 From: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com
 Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM
 To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535

 it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the
 mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so
 it's ok now.

 there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like
 the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads

 thanks

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 Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM
 To: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com


 OK. I'll look into it later.  Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :)
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Re: [talk-ph] SLEx-StarToll link

[tutubi]

it's probably PNCC or the SLTC consortium (PNCC and its malaysian
partner) in SLEX

This will open any time soon and expect announcement in the news...I
can have an officemate, who brings his car 3x a week from Tanauan to
Makati, collect the tracks for me just in case.

On 9/19/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anyone knows who to contact get permission to bike around here?

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 the link's not yet open as of yesterday...came home to Paete last
 friday via Calamba and it's still closed...it's a good thing I was
 able to sample the best kinulob na itik in Victoria, Laguna and got
 to map some major roads there in my asking around  :P

 wikimapia is a playground even for fools indeed who place tags and
 useless, if not, misleading information. I was actually looking for a
 restaurant near the crossing area when i stumbled on the proposed road

 thanks

 On 9/9/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Filipino Wikimapia contributors are known for drawing proposed highways
 and
 stuff like that as if they already exist. For example, the SLEX spur road
 going to Los Banos and bypassing the traffic-prone downtown area of
 Calamba
 does not exist and I think is only in the proposed stage. No bidding or
 whatever yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1711557lon=121.1452746z=16l=0m=b

 In another instance, they already drew part of the TR4 phase of the SLEX
 rehabilitation which is still on paper and the government still has to
 buy
 the right-of-way yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1340995lon=121.1532998z=16l=0m=b

 So, do not believe everything you see in Wikimapia. :-)

 (Surprisingly, they still don't have the NLEX-Mindanao Avenue link road,
 which we do have.)

 Eugene


 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:35 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:

 Hi all!

 I was browsing wikimapia SLEX and noticed the  link is already on the
 map.
 there's also another exit that I can take to bypass traffic prone
 Calamba Crossing
 and instead direct exit to Brgy. Pansol (there's an alternate route
 using calamba exit
 to avoid crossing/walter mart and SM calamba but you'll exit Halang)
 with the road ending near Sun City resort (so that's why i noticed a
 new that built there)

 is that connector road already open? I passed by SLEX about 3 weeks
 ago and it was still closed (it was blocked by orange traffic
 bollards). I took the Rizal Manila east road route in going home 2
 weeks ago so didn't noticed if it's open. If it's open I can take that
 road tomorrow so I can add to OSM

 I just hope there's another road to bypass Los Banos/College too

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[talk-ph] conditional one-way streets?

[tutubi]

in makati, there are one way streets with window times, mostly two-way
streets at night but one-way during the day

in Laguna, particularly in Sta. Cruz and Siniloan towns, there are
streets that are one way for PUJs but not for private vehicles. How
can I tag them? do i just assume we're private cars thus  two-way?
there's also a portion of Guevarra St. in Sta. Cruz one way for most
vehicles but two way for trikes and motorcycles :(

it's been years since I passed by the poblacion of Sta Cruz; lots of
changes there, but one of my favorite Laguna delicacies can still be
found at the public market. Some things never change!


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Re: [talk-ph] SLEx-StarToll link

[tutubi]

On 9/9/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Filipino Wikimapia contributors are known for drawing proposed highways and
 stuff like that as if they already exist. For example, the SLEX spur road
 going to Los Banos and bypassing the traffic-prone downtown area of Calamba
 does not exist and I think is only in the proposed stage. No bidding or
 whatever yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1711557lon=121.1452746z=16l=0m=b

 In another instance, they already drew part of the TR4 phase of the SLEX
 rehabilitation which is still on paper and the government still has to buy
 the right-of-way yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1340995lon=121.1532998z=16l=0m=b

 So, do not believe everything you see in Wikimapia. :-)

 (Surprisingly, they still don't have the NLEX-Mindanao Avenue link road,
 which we do have.)

 Eugene


 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:35 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:

 Hi all!

 I was browsing wikimapia SLEX and noticed the  link is already on the map.
 there's also another exit that I can take to bypass traffic prone
 Calamba Crossing
 and instead direct exit to Brgy. Pansol (there's an alternate route
 using calamba exit
 to avoid crossing/walter mart and SM calamba but you'll exit Halang)
 with the road ending near Sun City resort (so that's why i noticed a
 new that built there)

 is that connector road already open? I passed by SLEX about 3 weeks
 ago and it was still closed (it was blocked by orange traffic
 bollards). I took the Rizal Manila east road route in going home 2
 weeks ago so didn't noticed if it's open. If it's open I can take that
 road tomorrow so I can add to OSM

 I just hope there's another road to bypass Los Banos/College too

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Re: [talk-ph] SLEx-StarToll link

[tutubi]

the link's not yet open as of yesterday...came home to Paete last
friday via Calamba and it's still closed...it's a good thing I was
able to sample the best kinulob na itik in Victoria, Laguna and got
to map some major roads there in my asking around  :P

wikimapia is a playground even for fools indeed who place tags and
useless, if not, misleading information. I was actually looking for a
restaurant near the crossing area when i stumbled on the proposed road

thanks

On 9/9/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Filipino Wikimapia contributors are known for drawing proposed highways and
 stuff like that as if they already exist. For example, the SLEX spur road
 going to Los Banos and bypassing the traffic-prone downtown area of Calamba
 does not exist and I think is only in the proposed stage. No bidding or
 whatever yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1711557lon=121.1452746z=16l=0m=b

 In another instance, they already drew part of the TR4 phase of the SLEX
 rehabilitation which is still on paper and the government still has to buy
 the right-of-way yet.
 http://wikimapia.org/#lat=14.1340995lon=121.1532998z=16l=0m=b

 So, do not believe everything you see in Wikimapia. :-)

 (Surprisingly, they still don't have the NLEX-Mindanao Avenue link road,
 which we do have.)

 Eugene


 On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:35 PM, tutubi
 tut...@backpackingphilippines.comwrote:

 Hi all!

 I was browsing wikimapia SLEX and noticed the  link is already on the map.
 there's also another exit that I can take to bypass traffic prone
 Calamba Crossing
 and instead direct exit to Brgy. Pansol (there's an alternate route
 using calamba exit
 to avoid crossing/walter mart and SM calamba but you'll exit Halang)
 with the road ending near Sun City resort (so that's why i noticed a
 new that built there)

 is that connector road already open? I passed by SLEX about 3 weeks
 ago and it was still closed (it was blocked by orange traffic
 bollards). I took the Rizal Manila east road route in going home 2
 weeks ago so didn't noticed if it's open. If it's open I can take that
 road tomorrow so I can add to OSM

 I just hope there's another road to bypass Los Banos/College too

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Re: [talk-ph] Historical meakers (post cavite mmapping)

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this is good stuff...

now i don't have to ask around if it's on the map :P

I remember Mr. Ocampo also asked me for pictures of Rizal's markers in
HK and also some other things he's interested in whenever I ask him
some questions on historical stuff

is there a marker on Bonifacio's alleged execution site? or was it on
the slopes of a mountain there so out of reach of cars?

On 9/13/10, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:
 Maning,
 We found 4 in Maragondon, but 1 location where bonifacio was
 courtmartialed contains 2 markers (english  filipino version). I'll send
 you the pix later.

 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 Ambeth Ocampo requested photos for the historical markers we mapped
 last weekend (green team found 2).

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambeth-R-Ocampo/47261762634?v=wallstory_fbid=426193237634

 I am thinking we create some custom map for the NHI markers with
 pictures and descriptions.  Then, continue adding more data as we
 encounter them in the future.  A good micro project to help NHI and
 promote historical awareness through maps.

 Any ideas?


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[talk-ph] SLEx-StarToll link

[tutubi]

Hi all!

I was browsing wikimapia SLEX and noticed the  link is already on the map.
there's also another exit that I can take to bypass traffic prone
Calamba Crossing
and instead direct exit to Brgy. Pansol (there's an alternate route
using calamba exit
to avoid crossing/walter mart and SM calamba but you'll exit Halang)
with the road ending near Sun City resort (so that's why i noticed a
new that built there)

is that connector road already open? I passed by SLEX about 3 weeks
ago and it was still closed (it was blocked by orange traffic
bollards). I took the Rizal Manila east road route in going home 2
weeks ago so didn't noticed if it's open. If it's open I can take that
road tomorrow so I can add to OSM

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Re: [talk-ph] Estrella-Pantaleon Bridge: what's the status?

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Hi Alvin,

it's presently under construction. I passed by JP Rizal last Friday to
avoid heavy traffic on EDSA. It's been long planned and when I saw it
at least I know it'll soon open in a few months time.


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On 9/7/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I've just learned today that there is apparently a new bridge crossing the
 Pasig River. This is the Estrella-Pantaleon Bridge between Makati and
 Mandaluyong and extends Estrella along Rockwell to Hulo in Mandaluyong. Is
 this bridge still under construction? No other map shows this bridge.

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