Re: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Ross, 
It shouldn’t be long at all before the trip shows up on your own profile page. 
You should see it appearing there even as it uploads. After uploading,  it may 
show as ‘processing’ for a little while as OSC adds privacy blurring and sign 
detections. After that is done, the trip should be publicly visible, in most 
cases within hours if not minutes. At that time the images should appear in 
JOSM and iD as well.
Let me know 
Martijn

> On Mar 19, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martijin,
> 
> When an upload completes how long should it take to show on the 
> openstreetcam.org website?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ross
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/03/19 01:08, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Howdy.
>> 
>> We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
>> received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize 
>> this time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device 
>> that lets you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is 
>> open now until April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than 
>> other mappers to win. Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
>> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
>>  
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
>>  .
>> 
>> Related: 
>> * A previous blog post 
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
>>  about the impact of competition number 1 
>> * the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
>> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
>>  was just updated with some new features as well.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
>> -- 
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Re: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Michael — I’ll have the team look into it. The Android app code is undergoing 
some refactoring, I’ll see if this will be fixed as part of that.
Martijn

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Michael James  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin
>  
> I’ve only just started trying with the app, is there any word on when the bug 
> with ODB2 & BT getting fixed
>  
> Namely this open bug :-
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/android/issues/125 
> <https://github.com/openstreetcam/android/issues/125>
>  
> My testing shows that you really need the ODB adapter when doing urban 
> streets as the GPS averaging is too slow to deal with the acceleration 
> changes.
>  
> Thanks Michael
>  
>  
> From: Martijn van Exel mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 1:08 AM
> To: OSM Australian Talk List  <mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition
>  
> Howdy.
> 
> We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
> received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize 
> this time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device 
> that lets you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is open 
> now until April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than other 
> mappers to win. Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
>  
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
>  .
>  
> Related: 
> * A previous blog post 
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
>  about the impact of competition number 1 
> * the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
> <http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
>  was just updated with some new features as well.
>  
> Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
> -- 
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[talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Howdy.

We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize this 
time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device that lets 
you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is open now until 
April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than other mappers to win. 
Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/>
 .

Related: 
* A previous blog post 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/>
 about the impact of competition number 1 
* the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
<http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/openstreetcam-plug-in-display-osmelement/>
 was just updated with some new features as well.

Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Martijn van Exel]

John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups 
through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but know 
the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.

Martijn

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to share 
> a work-in-progress.
> 
> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more 
> widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the 
> 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once. 
> 
> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the 
> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling 
> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for 
> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it up 
> to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that leads to 
> a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in place by the 
> end of April.
> 
> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do this 
> - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts when 
> organising community events like the conference.
> 
> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow 
> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation, 
> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath 
> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the 
> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF 
> undertaking?
> 
> Cheers
> John
> 
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick  > wrote:
> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html 
> ,
>  but haven't heard anything further since?
> 
> Just been doing some random browsing & found this 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia 
> , 
> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
> 
> Is any of that info still relevant?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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[talk-au] Sign detections from OpenStreetCam

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

You will remember from my previous messages to this list that OpenStreetCam 
held a competition to collect imagery in Australia (as well as in New Zealand). 
The winners have their gift cards, but the community as a whole gains as well. 
Our map team used the contributed imagery to generate a large enough training 
set for our sign detection platform to learn 45+ (and growing) 
Australia-specific sign types. You can use the detected signs to map in JOSM 
(iD in the future) if you install the OpenStreetCam plugin.

New imagery captured will be analyzed for signs almost immediately. If you go 
to your own trips you can click on the ‘detections’ tab to see results. 
Example: https://openstreetcam.org/details/999263/314/detections 
 

Note that none of this data will be added to OSM automatically — it is 
available for the community to use.

Here’s a blog post with some more detail: 
http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/
 

 

I hope that you will keep contributing to OSC to improve coverage and generate 
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[talk-au] OpenStreetCam competition results

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi everyone, 

The OpenStreetCam competition is over. Thanks to everyone who contributed! 
We’ll do a blog post about this soon on improveosm.org (that is the Telenav web 
site that has all our OSM related stuff) but I didn’t want to delay on 
announcing the WINNERS. I’ll post a link when it’s up. 

The numbers 1 in each country get $100 gift cards (in local dollars obviously), 
the two runners up in each country get $25 gift cards. We’re sending those out 
digitally today and tomorrow!

Australia

1 —> steve91 with 346251 points
2 —> robbie-bloggs with 222138 points
3 —> ConsEbt with 171420 points

New Zealand

1 —> ivss-xx with 354409 points
2 —> david-blyth with 332510 points
3 —> nicknz with 105825 points 

Total imagery collected is about 36 photos for Australia, and 168000 for 
New Zealand. Points awarded are 1 per photo but there’s a multiplier of up to 
10x (!) for roads with few or no previous coverage.

User nicknz —> I don’t have a way to contact you, if you’re reading this, 
please get in touch off-list so we can send you the gift card.
Everyone else we have contact info for.

If you feel you got close to a prize — we may do this again..Watch this space.

Don’t stop now! We’re using all photos to improve sign recognition for OSC and 
the more photos we have, the better that system gets.

Happy Mapping!
Martijn

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have 
> about a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded 
> to the most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up 
> the leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.
> 
> The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, 
> when the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, 
> comfortably doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw 
> a particularly nice trend upwards.
> 
> Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras 
> made that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has 
> around 20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit 
> more detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer 
> to give them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to 
> capture their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch 
> with me off-list.
> 
> Happy mapping,
> Martijn
> 
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/>
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel > <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
>> please get in touch to get your gift card.
>> 
>> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 
>> to make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 
>> 2018 and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
>> 
>> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now 
>> we are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing :)
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon 
>>> gift card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>>> 
>>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered 
>>> roads get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 
>>> 20km trip is worth more than 6000 points: 
>>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>

Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi everyone, 

The OpenStreetCam competitions in Australia and New Zealand are now concluded!
Thank you all who participated! We will announce the winners next week. I need 
to collect and verify the data.

No reason to stop collecting images! They help tremendously with mapping OSM. 
As a matter of fact, I created a quick screen-cast to show you how I use OSC 
detections and images for mapping. Every time I do this I can’t help but think 
of Clarke’s third law — any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic. Here’s the link to the video —> 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/406zllf3qrxpcop/openstreetcam-speed-limit-australia.mp4?dl=0
 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/406zllf3qrxpcop/openstreetcam-speed-limit-australia.mp4?dl=0>
 and since Dropbox is definitely not magic, let me know if you can’t see this. 
Please let me know your feedback on working with OSC in JOSM.

Also — we have our first couple of Waylens Horizon cameras[1] on the way to 
you. If you’re interested in capturing with these advanced cameras, let me 
know. We plan to get more of them in your hands either through a lending 
program or a follow-up OSC competition. 

Martijn

[1] Read a bit more about these cameras on the OSM US blog: 
https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
<https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/> 

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have 
> about a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded 
> to the most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up 
> the leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.
> 
> The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, 
> when the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, 
> comfortably doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw 
> a particularly nice trend upwards.
> 
> Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras 
> made that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has 
> around 20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit 
> more detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer 
> to give them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to 
> capture their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch 
> with me off-list.
> 
> Happy mapping,
> Martijn
> 
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/ 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/>
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel > <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
>> please get in touch to get your gift card.
>> 
>> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 
>> to make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 
>> 2018 and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
>> 
>> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now 
>> we are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing :)
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon 
>>> gift card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>>> 
>>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered 
>>> roads get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 
>>> 20km trip is worth more than 6000 points: 
>>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> --
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Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

[Martijn van Exel]

The note content (a bit obfuscated by the Javascript..) is at 
https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org/blob/gh-pages/js/site.js#L121-L141 
<https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org/blob/gh-pages/js/site.js#L121-L141> 

Graeme’s point is a good one though — someone will still need to go in and see 
the note and act on it. So it’s not a complete ‘pipeline’ where a business is 
guaranteed to be added to OSM. 

Still I think it’s reasonable to point folks to that. In the US we have dealt 
with a lot of SEO spam as well, Clifford Snow (cc) has spent a lot of time on 
this topic and may be able to share some insights..

Martijn

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Daniel O'Connor  
> wrote:
> 
> Onosm.org generates a structured note.
> 
> Source code at https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick  <mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 06:51, Martijn van Exel  <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
> You can point businesses to https://www.onosm.org/ <https://www.onosm.org/> 
> which gives businesses an easy way to add themselves. It generates a note on 
> OSM, that mappers can then turn into an actual node or whatever OSM type is 
> relevant to add the information to the map in a responsible way.
> Martijn
> 
> Martijn
> 
> With things like that site, & I know Osmand has a similar "report a problem" 
> setting, do you have any idea as to where do they actually get reported to?
> 
> Does this one just generate an OSM Note? & with what explanation?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

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Especially if the street name does not change AND  the road splits into two 
oneway segments of the same name AND the angle of the ’turn’ is very slight, 
the software should figure this out, and I would say this is indeed an OSMAnd 
problem. In any case, the mapping looks correct to me.

Sort of related, we (Telenav map team) have seen cases in other countries where 
the road ‘flip-flops’ between single and divided mapping within a short 
distance[0]. In these cases we often decide to straighten that stretch out, 
making the single segments divided. If you object to this practice, please do 
let me know. We can also make a MapRoulette challenge to identify these cases 
if they exist here, and let you review them.

[0] looking a lot like 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3uzr05drc54vw6/Screen%20Shot%202019-01-30%20at%204.22.23%20PM.png?dl=0
 

 

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Dion Moult  wrote:
> 
> G'day all!
> 
> In the intersection of Liverpool road and Burwood road in Burwood, Sydney 
> (see attached), if I am travelling in the direction shown by the red arrow, 
> then my GPS device should tell me to continue and drive straight at the 
> intersection. However, because at that junction, the map splits up Liverpool 
> Road into two roads, OSMAnd tells me to turn left there, which is quite 
> confusing.
> 
> What is the appropriate way to fix this mapping? Or is it a problem with 
> OSMAnd?
> 
> 
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Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

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You can point businesses to https://www.onosm.org/  
which gives businesses an easy way to add themselves. It generates a note on 
OSM, that mappers can then turn into an actual node or whatever OSM type is 
relevant to add the information to the map in a responsible way.
Martijn

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:22 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm thinking  it might be worth emailing the businesses being advertised 
> and telling them that the SEO company that they engaged is making edits that 
> they might not want their business associates.
> Tony
> 
>> Concur. Be ruthless. These people are akin to nuisance callers and
>> should be publicly flogged.
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/1/19 7:22 pm, nwastra wrote:
>>> We seem to be getting a lot of business edits in this form lately  with 
>>> only a name and description tag, often with address details or  just spam 
>>> in the description tag.
>>> As is usual with spam like business edits, they use a throw away  email to 
>>> make the edit and you never get a response from any query.
>>> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=66761372
>>> I am in favour of deleting them as SEO spam.
>>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

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Hi all!

Let me give you a status update on the OpenStreetCam competition. We have about 
a week to go before the $100 prize and two $25 prizes will be awarded to the 
most prolific OpenStreetCammers. If you have the app, you can pull up the 
leaderboard and get some idea of where you stand.

The community had collected 144,000 images in Australia before December 1, when 
the competition started. Since then, you collected 191,000 more, comfortably 
doubling coverage in Australia. Wonderful! The last few days saw a particularly 
nice trend upwards.

Also, a word on Waylens dashboard cameras. Telenav had customized cameras made 
that capture and upload OpenStreetCam imagery automatically. OSM US has around 
20 that they lend to their members. A blog post[1] explains in a bit more 
detail what these cameras are. We have some to give out. I would prefer to give 
them to one or more local communities who want to make an effort to capture 
their entire city or area. If you’re interested, please get in touch with me 
off-list.

Happy mapping,
Martijn

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.us/2018/05/camera-lending-program/

> On Jan 18, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
> please get in touch to get your gift card.
> 
> For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 to 
> make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 2018 
> and January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.
> 
> Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now we 
> are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.
> 
> Happy mapping / capturing :)
> --
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>   m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
>> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
>> 
>> 
>> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
>> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
>> 
>> 
>> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
>> card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
>> 
>> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
>> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
>> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
>> January.
>> 
>> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
>> get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip 
>> is worth more than 6000 points: 
>> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
>> <https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
>>> imagery before Christmas.
>>> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
>>> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia,  you 
>>> collect points very quickly.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
>>> --
>>>   Martijn van Exel
>>>   m...@rtijn.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>>> Hi folks, 
>>>> 
>>>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>>>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source 
>>>> / open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>>>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>>>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start 
>>>> to change that. 
>>>> 
>>>> More details here: 
>>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>>  
>>>> <https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018>
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 
>>>> 31, the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>>>> 
>>>> Ha

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

[Martijn van Exel]

It sounds like one of those things where opinions are going to vary. Personally 
I would split them, but I don’t think it’s a big deal to do it one way or the 
other, and it doesn’t affect the map either way.

Mapping to make some random QA tool happy doesn’t sound tenable to me. Horea 
(my colleague) shared the OSMCha links mainly because that tool makes it easy 
to show all changesets of a group of mappers in one place. I think it’s a bit 
too opinionated when it comes to identifying ‘errors’. But hey, it’s open 
source software..:)

I’m happy that our work is being scrutinized. Please keep watching our work, we 
need your feedback to make sure we’re doing everything according to local best 
practices.

Martijn

> On Jan 23, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Mark Pulley  wrote:
> 
> I generally split these ways. A couple of reasons:
> 
> 1. Traffic is generally not meant to make U-turns here. Occasionally there is 
> an explicit no-U-turn sign, but most of the time there is a double white line 
> extending from the end of the median strip preventing turning.
> 
> 2. If a route relation uses the road, then it is required to split the road, 
> as traffic following the relation doesn’t do a U-turn. As an example, have a 
> look at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1284045 
>  - ways 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/175260353 
>  and 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/175260354 
>  are the respective forward 
> members for each direction of travel. (Probably easier to see in the relation 
> editor in JOSM) 
> 
> Mark P.
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 8:23 am, Nemanja Bračko > > wrote:
>> 
>> @Warin,
>> 
>> I personally do not see why is it wrong if you split? It is just two 
>> segments merged in one node. Geometry and data are exactly the same just it 
>> is represented as two, instead of one line.
>> 
>> If we go deeper in this issue, it is actually wrong, because you have 
>> marked/mapped 2 physical segments with just one line. Angle is not natural 
>> for any road. However, it doesn't make any difference in routing so it is 
>> acceptable to be mapped as one line in cases like this.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Nemanja
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

I am not sure if user robbie-blogs is reading on this list -- if you are, 
please get in touch to get your gift card.

For all others, the competition is still ongoing and you have until Jan 31 to 
make your way into the top 3 contributors over the months of December 2018 and 
January 2019 and win a $25 or $100 gift card.

Some stats so far: we started at 126 752 images in Australia on Dec 1, now we 
are at 330 648 covering 8882 km of which 6293 unique.

Happy mapping / capturing :)
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 m...@rtijn.org


On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 16:40, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
> Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:
> 
> 
> #1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
> #2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points
> 
> 
> Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
> card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.
> 
> It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
> competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / 
> $25 / $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and 
> January.
> 
> If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
> get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip 
> is worth more than 6000 points: 
> https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 
> 
> Best,
> --
>  Martijn van Exel
>  m...@rtijn.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
>> imagery before Christmas.
>> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
>> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia, you 
>> collect points very quickly.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
>> --
>>  Martijn van Exel
>>  m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> Hi folks, 
>>> 
>>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / 
>>> open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start 
>>> to change that. 
>>> 
>>> More details here: 
>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, 
>>> the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>>> 
>>> Happy mapping / capturing!
>>> Martijn
>>> 
>>> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as 
>>> well, 
>>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
>>>  
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Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

We have the results for the most prolific OpenStreetCam contributors for 
Australia for the period Dec 1 - Dec 24:


#1 ---> robbie-bloggs with 127971 points
#2 ---> steve91 with 65470 points


Congratulations to you both, you have just won yourselves an $25 Amazon gift 
card! Please get in touch with me so I can arrange (virtual) delivery.

It's not over yet though. This was just the holiday mid point of the 
competition. At the end of January there will be three more prizes ($100 / $25 
/ $25) for the overall top contributors for the months of December and January.

If you haven't started capturing yet, no worries. New, not yet covered roads 
get you 10x points. That adds up pretty quickly. For example, this 20km trip is 
worth more than 6000 points: 
https://openstreetcam.org/details/1318295/0/track-info 

Best,
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 m...@rtijn.org



On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, at 12:33, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the most 
> imagery before Christmas.
> Details added on the competition page! You need 25k points minimum to be 
> eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia, you 
> collect points very quickly.
> 
> Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
> --
>  Martijn van Exel
>  m...@rtijn.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Hi folks, 
>> 
>> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture 
>> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / 
>> open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely 
>> used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of 
>> coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition we’re hoping to start to 
>> change that. 
>> 
>> More details here: 
>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
>>  
>> 
>> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, 
>> the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!
>> 
>> Happy mapping / capturing!
>> Martijn
>> 
>> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as 
>> well, 
>> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
>>  
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Re: [talk-au] Replies to list messages not going to the list?

[Martijn van Exel]

Graeme,
It should work the same way for all OSM lists, or for all properly configured 
mailing lists for that matter.
Some mail programs try to be smart about it and either inject a ‘Reply-To’ 
header whenever you compose a response to a mailing list message, or look for a 
‘List-Post’ or similar header to automatically direct your response there by 
default. So it may depend on the mail client of whomever you are responding to 
uses… Whenever I respond to a mailing list I just use ‘Reply to all’ to be sure.
Martijn


> On Dec 23, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> Morning all
> 
> Sorry for the very convoluted title, & apologies if this has been discussed 
> previously?
> 
> Noticed this comment on a list message yesterday "Note: This came through as 
> a private message - not on the list.", which is something I've noticed, & 
> done, a number of times.
> 
> I'm on both the Au list & also the Tagging list (as I know for a fact most of 
> you are!) & I've noticed that if you reply to a message on the Tagging list, 
> it goes to the list. But when you reply to a message on the Au list, it goes 
> directly to the originators e-mail, not the list, which is a damn nuisance.
> 
> Is this something funny about the way the Au list has been set-up, or have I 
> ticked, or not ticked!, a box somewhere to change reply paths?
> 
> Any way of fixing it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

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Hi,  
 
The source is on Github (search for mapoulette3 for the frontend / react code 
and maproulette2 for the backend / scala codebase) but you don't need to dig 
into that to simply create a challenge. You can log onto MapRoulette using your 
OSM account, and create a challenge using an Overpass query. I wrote a diary on 
how to do this a little while ago, 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/46863  
 
If you don't know any Overpass, I'm more than happy to set a Challenge of your 
preference up for you, or show you how to do it.  
 
I did in fact set up an 'add lanes' challenge for Queensland a little while 
ago, which you can find here: 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3376 
 
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 m...@rtijn.org 
 
 
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, at 04:20, Joel H. wrote: 
> Hey I'm not familiar with MapRoulette. 

> Where can I view the source code? I (or maybe you could) would like to 
> perhaps make one for QLD. 

> If you are interested, I would choose Bing by default, but really none are 
> perfect. 

> On 12/12/18 3:54 am, Martijn van Exel wrote: 
>> Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing 
>> challenge, I created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop. 
>>  
>> The challenge lives here: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387 
>>  
>> It has 9800+ tasks.  
>> I deleted the old one. 
>> Thanks for the suggestions! 
>> Martijn 
>>  
>>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey  wrote: 
>>>  
>>> I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a 
>>> friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed. 
>>>  
>>> I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default 
>>> background layer for this task. I just filed 
>>> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 in relation to this. 
>>>  
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: 
>>>> Andrew H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I 
>>>> will make the update when I find a moment. 
>>>> Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan.  
>>>> -- 
>>>>  Martijn van Exel 
>>>>  m...@rtijn.org 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote: 
>>>>> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel >>>>> That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify. 
>>>>>> Something like this... 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> [timeout:190]; 
>>>>>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a; 
>>>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> out body geom qt; 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you 
>>>>> able to? 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very 
>>>>>> short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter 
>>>>>> (urban) first. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
>>>>>> administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be 
>>>>>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but 
>>>>>> not complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
>>>>>> and even one admin_level=8 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other 
>>>>>> states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
>>>>>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 
>>>>>> but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to 
>>>>>> fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to 
>>>>>> help.  
>>>>>  
>>>>> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, 
>>>>> localities and LGA boundaries.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> --  
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>>>>>>  m...@rtijn.org 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: 
>>>>>>> Overall I thin

Re: [talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Folks,

We added an additional holiday prize for the 2 mappers who collect the
most imagery before Christmas.Details added on the competition page! You need 
25k points minimum to be
eligible for this prize, but since coverage is very low in Australia,
you collect points very quickly.
Let me know if you have any questions. Happy mapping / capturing,
--
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  m...@rtijn.org



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 11:53, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi folks, 
> 
> We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture
> competition. In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open
> source / open data street level imagery collection platform for OSM.
> It is widely used to help improve OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there
> is not a lot of coverage in Australia yet. So with this competition
> we’re hoping to start to change that.> 
> More details here:
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018>
>  
> The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and
> Jan 31, the top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!> 
> Happy mapping / capturing!
> Martijn
> 
> PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there
>as well,
>
> https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018>
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

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Thanks. Because you cannot edit the Overpass query for an existing challenge, I 
created a new one that has the LPI imagery as default backdrop.
The challenge lives here: https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387 
<https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3387> 
It has 9800+ tasks. 
I deleted the old one.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Martijn

> On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> 
> I just checked again, it looks like you haven't corrected this yet, so a 
> friendly reminder it would be nice to have this fixed.
> 
> I think it's also a good idea to include the NSW LPI Imagery as the default 
> background layer for this task. I just filed 
> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/572> in relation to this.
> 
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, at 4:53 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself :) I 
>> will make the update when I find a moment.
>> Andrew H/D -- thanks for pointing me to the import plan. 
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel >> <mailto:m...@rtijn.org> wrote:
>>> That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
>>> Something like this...
>>> 
>>> [timeout:190];
>>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
>>> out body geom qt;
>>> 
>>> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are you 
>>> able to?
>>> 
>>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short 
>>> segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) 
>>> first.
>>> 
>>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
>>> administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be 
>>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not 
>>> complete) coverage of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
>>> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ> and even one admin_level=8 
>>> (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0>) but in 
>>> other states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
>>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r <https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r>, query at 
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1> but watch 
>>> out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete 
>>> perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help. 
>>> 
>>> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb, 
>>> localities and LGA boundaries. 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  Martijn van Exel
>>>  m...@rtijn.org <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>>> Overall I think it's a great idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
>>>> eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 
>>>> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753> which
>>>> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
>>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel >>> <mailto:m...@rtijn.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images 
>>>>> and add lane tags to major roads.
>>>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375 
>>>>> <https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375>
>>>>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other 
>>>>> regions.
>>>>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be 
>>>>> improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
>>>>> Martijn
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>>>>> 
>>>>> [timeout:190];
>>>>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>>>>> out body geom qt;
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

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Andrew  H-- correct and I wasn't suggesting that you amend it yourself
:) I will make the update when I find a moment.Andrew H/D -- thanks for 
pointing me to the import plan. 
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 17:29, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On Sat., 8 Dec. 2018, 10:38 am Martijn van Exel > That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to
>> modify.>> Something like this...
>> 
>> [timeout:190];
>> area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"la-
>> nes:backward"](area.a);>> out body geom qt;
> 
> Yeah but I don't think I can modify your maproulette challenge, are
> you able to?>> 
>> I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very
>> short segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter
>> (urban) first.>> 
>> I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status
>> of administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be
>> inconsistent, for example in South Australia there is pretty good
>> (but not complete) coverage of admin_level=6
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ and even one admin_level=8
>> (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0) but in other states the
>> admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent
>> (https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r, query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1
>> but watch out, it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful
>> to fix / complete perhaps we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m
>> happy to help.> 
> There's another thread ongoing on this list about importing suburb,
> localities and LGA boundaries.>> 
>> -- 
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>> Overall I think it's a great idea.
>>> 
>>> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and
>>> lanes:backward?>>> eg. 
>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
>>> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial
>>>> images and add lane tags to major roads.>>>> 
>>>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
>>>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other
>>>> regions.>>>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can 
>>>> it be
>>>> improved? Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.>>>> Martijn
>>>> 
>>>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>>>> 
>>>> [timeout:190];
>>>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>>>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>>>> out body geom qt;
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Re: [talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

That is a good point. The query would probably be easy enough to modify.
Something like this...

[timeout:190];
area[name=“New South Wales"]->.a;
way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes][!"lanes:forward"][!"lanes:backward"](area.a);
out body geom qt;

I think it needs to be pre-processed a bit more to weed out the very short 
segments. And perhaps work on areas where lanes actually matter (urban) first. 

I was looking at how to slice that and got interested in the status of 
administrative boundary relations for Australia. It seems to be inconsistent, 
for example in South Australia there is pretty good (but not complete) coverage 
of admin_level=6 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ 
<http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EmZ> and even one admin_level=8 
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En0>) but in other 
states the admin_level=6 coverage is pretty sparse or absent 
(https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r <https://imgur.com/a/gmUJs2r>, query at 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1 <http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/En1> but watch out, 
it’s a lot of data). If you all think this is useful to fix / complete perhaps 
we can set up a page to coordinate. I’m happy to help.

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On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, at 17:23, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> Overall I think it's a great idea.
> 
> Could you filter out ways that have lanes:forward and lanes:backward?
> eg. https://maproulette.org/mr3/challenge/3375/task/6686753 which
> shouldn't need a redundant lanes tag as you can just add them up.
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 10:49, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and 
>> add lane tags to major roads.
>> https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375
>> This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
>> I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? 
>> Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
>> Martijn
>> 
>> PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:
>> 
>> [timeout:190];
>> area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
>> way[highway~"motorway|trunk|primary"][!lanes](area.a);
>> out body geom qt;
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[talk-au] Announcing: OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks, 

We (Telenav map team) are holding an OpenStreetCam image capture competition. 
In case you're not familiar, OpenStreetCam is an open source / open data street 
level imagery collection platform for OSM. It is widely used to help improve 
OSM (through iD and JOSM) but there is not a lot of coverage in Australia yet. 
So with this competition we’re hoping to start to change that. 

More details here: 
https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/Australia-Competition-Dec-2018
 

 

The TL;DR is: collect as many OSC images as you can between now and Jan 31, the 
top 3 contributors get $100 / $25 Amazon gift cards!

Happy mapping / capturing!
Martijn

PS in case you’re in NZ, we have a separate competition staring there as well, 
https://github.com/openstreetcam/competitions/wiki/New-Zealand-Competition-Dec-2018
 

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[talk-au] Adding lane tags to major roads

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks.
I created MapRoulette challenge asking mappers to look at aerial images and add 
lane tags to major roads. 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3375 

This particular one is for NSW but can easily be ‘cloned’ for other regions.
I wanted to get your opinion on this — good / bad idea? Can it be improved? 
Smaller regions? Any feedback welcome.
Martijn

PS the Overpass Query this is based on is:

[timeout:190];
area[name="New South Wales"]->.a;
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[talk-au] Open Data

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

The Telenav OSM map team is doing some research into open data available in 
Australia for potentially using to improve OSM. As you all probably know, there 
is already a substantial and well maintained page about open data sources at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue. Before we start 
adding things to this list, I thought it' be nice and good to discuss.

So far the team has identified the following sources that we'd like to gain 
permission to use in the future.

https://data.gov.au/dataset/ipswich-city-traffic-signs/resource/6c822598-de01-4a51-a357-fa1e22039286
 (CC-BY 3.0 Australia)
https://data.gov.au/dataset/ipswich-traffic-signals/resource/af689406-9952-4bfd-b33a-98843e87bee2
 (CC-BY-3.0 Australia)
https://data.gov.au/dataset/trafficsignals (CC-BY 4.0 International)
https://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/data/item/geelong-road-signs2.aspx (CC-BY 
3.0 Australia)

I'm wondering what the best way is to proceed. We can send out waiver requests 
directly as needed, but perhaps there are folks here who are local to some of 
the datasets above and can advise? 
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[talk-au] MapRoulette challenges

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi folks.

The Telenav team continuously runs a series of data integrity checks on OSM 
data that we’re interested in. The OSM wiki has an overview [1].

Now some of these are easy fixes, and that means they make interesting 
MapRoulette challenges. For example here’s a challenge that highlights 
suspicious ’name’ values, such as values that contain a semicolon or comma: 
https://maproulette.org/mr3/browse/challenges/3316 
 It spans both Australia 
and New Zealand and has a total of 271 tasks.

I invite you to try it, especially if you haven’t used MapRoulette before. We 
can deploy more of them if there’s an appetite. 

Anyone can create challenges on MapRoulette, so if there’s something you want 
fellow mappers to look at, feel free to set it up. I am happy to assist.

Happy Mapping — 

Martijn

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav/Integrity_Checks 


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Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Nick,
We generally focus on the road network and related tags / attributes
first, since Telenav tends to source search information (including
addressing) from sources other than OSM.
That said, where there is an opportunity to help coordinate adding
address information to OSM, we will certainly consider it.
Is there already some coordination going on, like collecting information
about datasets and licenses on an OSM wiki page?--
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  m...@rtijn.org



On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, at 22:10, Nick Hocking wrote:
> Hi Martijn,


> In my opinion the biggest improvement to Australian OSM data, to make
> it usefull for automotive navigation, would be the addition of offline
> address data.> I believe that most states have address datasets available 
> that are
> OSM licence compliant and could be used for import. Would your people
> be interested in helping out with that?> 


> Cheers


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Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

Andrew -- I am very glad to hear it! 
I would be delighted to help promote MapRoulette use more, please do let
me know if you have issues or you want help setting up a particular
challenge.--
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, at 02:56, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> Hey Martijn, 
> 
> We ran a mapping session at the FOSS4G SotM Oceania Community Day
> today using maproulette. It worked really well spreading tasks out
> among the participants. Lot's of new people getting into using JOSM.> 
> I ran into an error trying to upload one particular GeoJSON files but
> apart from that it went well.> 
> On Thu., 8 Nov. 2018, 5:11 am Martijn van Exel > I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but
>> live in the U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced
>> myself on Slack where I talked a bit about Telenav looking at
>> possibly helping improve the map in Australia. I am just not sure if
>> there’s folks here who are not on Slack so I wanted to say hi. We’re
>> not making any improvements yet and we will keep you updated as our
>> plans materialize.>> 
>> We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we
>> typically work on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav>> 
>> Please do get in touch with any questions!
>> 
>> Happy mapping,
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Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

By the way - I started collecting the Top Mapper lists for various cities in 
Australia using my Meet Your Mapper tool[0]. If you find it interesting you can 
review them here: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axVjSpcCuD14AubLzA6E00fMxRLfXBHWPQvdijwsyUM/edit?usp=sharing
 
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axVjSpcCuD14AubLzA6E00fMxRLfXBHWPQvdijwsyUM/edit?usp=sharing>
 . It looks like you are the #1 mapper for the Brisbane area :) (when sorted by 
number of nodes last touched).

These lists are based on data publicly available from Overpass, and I haven’t 
shared the link more widely, but if you object to having this data readily 
available to the community I will unshare it right away.

Martijn

[0] The tool is at https://mym.rtijn.org/ and the code is at 
https://github.com/mvexel/meetyourmappers, a diary entry is at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/44833 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel, 
> 
> Nice to make your virtual acquaintance. 
> 
> I noticed there was a bit of discussion as to how to snap _link / ramp roads 
> to the main highway. 
> The Telenav team uses the convention as described on the wiki, snapping to 
> the main road where the physical separation ends or begins. So the way you 
> described it yourself is the ‘right’ way, as endorsed by the wiki. (See 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=motorway_junction> ) 
> 
> In general, our team follows the conventions as described on the wiki, and if 
> there’s no clear decision, we work with the community to reach one, and edir 
> the wiki afterwards. 
> 
> I agree fully with your use of destination tags, but according to the wiki 
> they belong on the _link way and not on the junction node, 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F> 
> 
> Motorway junction nodes should be tagged even if there is no junction number 
> (not sure if those are common / signposted in Australia?) See again 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=motorway_junction> The 
> destination should not go on junction nodes but on the _link road.
> 
> I have not used the placement=transition tag myself and am not sure how it is 
> used in applications, but interesting!
> 
> I hope OpenStreetCam (and also Mapillary) will continue to be useful. For 
> signposts and speed limits these are pretty much indispensable tools lacking 
> official GIS data that has this info. Telenav created and maintains 
> OpenStreetCam as you may know. I am happy to answer any questions about it 
> that you may have. We are planning to hold a few mapping competitions in the 
> near future for a few cities in Australia, I’ll make an announcement 
> separately when we’re ready to do that. (Early next year I think)
> 
> Another tool I’ve found really useful for checking complete / correct tagging 
> of motorways is CheckAutopista: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista> . For M5: 
> http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811&lat=-27.5645&lon=152.8959&z=12
>  
> <http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811&lat=-27.5645&lon=152.8959&z=12>
>  
> 
> Martijn
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Joel H. > <mailto:jo...@disroot.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for introducing yourself.
>> 
>> A little while ago I fixed up the whole M5 motorway (and I believe some of 
>> the M3 as well) in Brisbane and wrote a diary post about it. Mostly with 
>> what I did.
>> 
>> I was wondering whether what I did was correct, or if my method has given 
>> you any ideas?
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896 
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896>
>> 
>> On 8/11/18 4:10 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but live in 
>>> the U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced myself on Slack 
>>> where I talked a bit about Telenav looking at possibly helping improve the 
>>> map in Australia. I am just not sure if there’s folks here who are not on 
>>> Slack so I wanted to say hi. We’re not making any improvements yet and we 
>>> will keep you updated as our plans materialize. 
>>> 
>>> We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we typically 
>>> work on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Joel, 

Nice to make your virtual acquaintance. 

I noticed there was a bit of discussion as to how to snap _link / ramp roads to 
the main highway. 
The Telenav team uses the convention as described on the wiki, snapping to the 
main road where the physical separation ends or begins. So the way you 
described it yourself is the ‘right’ way, as endorsed by the wiki. (See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=motorway_junction> ) 

In general, our team follows the conventions as described on the wiki, and if 
there’s no clear decision, we work with the community to reach one, and edir 
the wiki afterwards. 

I agree fully with your use of destination tags, but according to the wiki they 
belong on the _link way and not on the junction node, 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F> 

Motorway junction nodes should be tagged even if there is no junction number 
(not sure if those are common / signposted in Australia?) See again 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=motorway_junction> The 
destination should not go on junction nodes but on the _link road.

I have not used the placement=transition tag myself and am not sure how it is 
used in applications, but interesting!

I hope OpenStreetCam (and also Mapillary) will continue to be useful. For 
signposts and speed limits these are pretty much indispensable tools lacking 
official GIS data that has this info. Telenav created and maintains 
OpenStreetCam as you may know. I am happy to answer any questions about it that 
you may have. We are planning to hold a few mapping competitions in the near 
future for a few cities in Australia, I’ll make an announcement separately when 
we’re ready to do that. (Early next year I think)

Another tool I’ve found really useful for checking complete / correct tagging 
of motorways is CheckAutopista: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista> . For M5: 
http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811&lat=-27.5645&lon=152.8959&z=12
 
<http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811&lat=-27.5645&lon=152.8959&z=12>
 

Martijn

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Joel H.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for introducing yourself.
> 
> A little while ago I fixed up the whole M5 motorway (and I believe some of 
> the M3 as well) in Brisbane and wrote a diary post about it. Mostly with what 
> I did.
> 
> I was wondering whether what I did was correct, or if my method has given you 
> any ideas?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896 
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896>
> 
> On 8/11/18 4:10 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but live in 
>> the U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced myself on Slack 
>> where I talked a bit about Telenav looking at possibly helping improve the 
>> map in Australia. I am just not sure if there’s folks here who are not on 
>> Slack so I wanted to say hi. We’re not making any improvements yet and we 
>> will keep you updated as our plans materialize. 
>> 
>> We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we typically 
>> work on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav> 
>> 
>> Please do get in touch with any questions!
>> 
>> Happy mapping,
>> Martijn
>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

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Hi Nemanja,
You can use semicolons if there are multiple alternate names, like alt_name=Big 
Apple Street;Highway 666.
Folks used to use name_1, name_2 but this seems to be generally discouraged now.
There is also loc_name but the use of that has always been a bit unclear to me, 
since local (posted) information should always be considered before anything 
else.
For numbered highways you can also use the ref / network tag, especially if 
‘Highway 666’ is not the posted name.
Wiki pages that are relevant:
* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Multiple_names 

* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name 
 
* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multiple_values 
 
I don’t know if there’s any local conventions that would trump this general 
rule — I am not familiar with that, since I am not in / from Australia. Just 
trying to help :)
Martijn

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Nemanja Bračko  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
> more then one alt_name?
> Imagine the situation:
> RD_NAME1: New York Street
> RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
> RD_NAME3: US Highway
> 
> This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
> alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
> Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
> extra names? How do you want to map it?
> 
> Please advice,
> Nemanja
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[talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but live in the 
U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced myself on Slack where I 
talked a bit about Telenav looking at possibly helping improve the map in 
Australia. I am just not sure if there’s folks here who are not on Slack so I 
wanted to say hi. We’re not making any improvements yet and we will keep you 
updated as our plans materialize. 

We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we typically work 
on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav> 

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Re: [talk-au] [Talk-us] Go Map!! is in the Apple app store

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Cool, getting my iPhone next week, so can't wait to try it out!

Is it listed on the OSM wiki yet?


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:

> I'd like to highly recommend a brand-new, native, and free* iOS OSM
> editor: Go Map!!
>
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=592990211&mt=8
>
> The author is a member of the Seattle OSM community, so I'm biased, but I
> think it rocks.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
> * as in free beer!
>
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> OSM<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM>
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