Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Geocoding as produced work

[Simon Poole]

Come on Alex.

If you accidentally publicly use a produced work or a derivative
database that is linked somehow with sensitive data and if somebody
actually asks you for the underlying data and if for legal (privacy) or
business reasons you can't hand out the non-OSM data part (lots of ifs),
you are in violation of the licence terms and you cease to have a
licence for the OSM derived data in question. However you can reinstate
your rights under the licence by rectifying the situation (stopping to
use the data publicly), which shouldn't be an issue since, as you
stipulate, the use is accidental.

Simon

Am 24.09.2015 um 00:32 schrieb Alex Barth:
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
> it might actually force
> such a service provider to differentiate between geo-coding for public
> vs in-house use.
>
>
> This suggestion has come up before and I'd like to flag that this is
> impractical. No organization would and should take the risk that a
> potential future (accidental) publication of a private OpenStreetMap
> based work could jeopardize sensitive data. The risk is significant as
> even the publication of a Produced Work can bring the share alike
> stipulations of the ODbL to bear.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Frederik Ramm]

Randy,

On 09/23/2015 07:18 PM, Randy Meech wrote:
> 3. The database you have created is partly derived from OSM (as far as
> "this address is at location lon=x, lat=y" is concerned).
> 
> Actually I mis-spoke a bit (sorry, it was several years ago). The
> lat/lngs are actually from state agencies, although I did reverse
> geocoding with Nominatim and store the results in the database.

So you're not using the OSM-derived part for any computation ("which one
is nearest"), but just as an additional display for the user.

In your use case, you could conceivably do the reverse geocoding on the
fly when the user clicks on "view details", rather than do it for all
addresses in advance. Then your database would never contain anything
from OSM.

If your use case were, as I first assumed, that you needed the OSM
coordinates to even offer your service (compute distances), then
on-the-fly would not be an option, technically.

Not that this is particularly relevant in terms of the license but I
think it is an interesting distinction between the two use cases.

> geocoding results seem like
> a produced work to me. I believe that I am decorating other open data
> with the results of a geocoder that contains sufficient art to make it
> not derived, but produced.

Our usual definition of produced work doesn't look at how much art there
is, but whether something is a database. If we did ask "how much art is
there", I'd be tempted to say there's considerably more art in reverse
geocding than there is in forward geocoding.

> Curious about others' thoughts here -- I do think this is an important
> topic to figure out and I'm happy to be a guinea pig for this.

If you came to me with your use case and asked "what would you have me
do to be sure I don't run afoul of the license", I would recommend that
you have two databases or two database tables, one with your POIs and
their coordinates, and another with exactly these coordinates and their
OSM reverse geocoding result, and that you join them when displaying,
and make the OSM result database available under ODbL on request. I
would also tell you that it is very unlikely for anyone to request the
data in the first place.

Bye
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[OSM-ja] SotM Japan 2015 ゴールドスポンサー決定

[ikiya]

SotM Japan 2015実行委員　ikiyaです。

10月31日（土）静岡県浜松市で開催されますOpenStreetMap年次国内会議「State of the Map Japan 
2015」のゴールドスポンサーに
合同会社Georepublic Japan 様 と 株式会社日立製作所 情報・通信システム社 様が決定致しました。
スポンサー様からの興味ある講演も予定されております。是非この機会にカンファレンスへご参加ください。

カンファレンスへの参加登録はこちらになります。
http://sotmjp2015.peatix.com/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in Gent

[joost schouppe]

Dag allen,

Pieter Brusselmans van Trage Wegen heeft mij uitgenodigd om eens te kijken
wat er mogelijk zou zijn. Ik geloof dat hun hoofdkantoor in Gent is. Als er
iemand zin heeft om mee te komen, stuur maar een berichtje, dan proberen we
samen een datum te prikken.

Groeten,
Joost


Op 24 september 2015 12:28 schreef Jo :

> Toen ze dat hier een paar jaar terug in Bierbeek kwamen doen, ben ik ook
> naar die bijeenkomsten geweest om Openstreetmap bekendheid te geven.
> Initieel leken ze wel geïnteresseerd, maar in huis gebruiken ze al een GIS,
> dat ze waarschijnlijk aan hun noden hebben aangepast.
>
> Ze wilden o.a. informatie toevoegen die (toen alleszins) niet paste in het
> kader van Openstreetmap. Verder is het waarschijnlijk ook een probleem dat
> ze niet de volledige controle hebben.
>
> Dat gezegd zijnde, lijkt het me toch interessant dat iemand zou gaan
> kijken hoe het vandaag de dag in zijn werk gaat. Misschien zijn er toch
> opportuniteiten om samen te werken.
>
> Jo
>
> Op 24 september 2015 12:10 schreef Bart Vanherck :
>
> Niet enkel in Gent is men hiermee begonnen, ook in Geel. Ik ga ook mijn
>> oor eens te luisteren leggen hoe men dat gaat doen. Het is ook zo een
>> opportuniteit voor openstreetmap omdat niet alle trage wegen al gemapped
>> zijn.
>>
>> Bij ons zoeken ze vrijwilligers ( zie
>> http://www.geel.be/product.aspx?id=3398 ) Dus waarschijnlijk gaat een
>> samenwerking zeker wel kunnen. Maar hoe zien jullie dat? Maw wat kan ik de
>> mensen vertellen / vragen?
>>
>> mvg,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Op 24 september 2015 09:13 schreef Oliver May :
>>
>> Ik smijt het even op twitter naar de gentse data man :)
>>>
>>> Op 24 september 2015 08:24 schreef joost schouppe <
>>> joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>>>
 Gentenaars,

 De stad Gent is van plan met hulp van het publiek alle trage wegen in
 het Gentse in kaart te brengen. Ik zou dat persoonlijk gewoon met een
 Overpass Turbo query doen :)
 https://stad.gent/natuur-milieu/groen-de-stad/trage-wegen-gent

 Maar even serieus:  heeft iemand aal contact opgenomen met hen om te
 vragen hoe ze dat gaan doen; en of het misschien gene optie zou zijn om dat
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in Gent

[Jo]

Toen ze dat hier een paar jaar terug in Bierbeek kwamen doen, ben ik ook
naar die bijeenkomsten geweest om Openstreetmap bekendheid te geven.
Initieel leken ze wel geïnteresseerd, maar in huis gebruiken ze al een GIS,
dat ze waarschijnlijk aan hun noden hebben aangepast.

Ze wilden o.a. informatie toevoegen die (toen alleszins) niet paste in het
kader van Openstreetmap. Verder is het waarschijnlijk ook een probleem dat
ze niet de volledige controle hebben.

Dat gezegd zijnde, lijkt het me toch interessant dat iemand zou gaan kijken
hoe het vandaag de dag in zijn werk gaat. Misschien zijn er toch
opportuniteiten om samen te werken.

Jo

Op 24 september 2015 12:10 schreef Bart Vanherck :

> Niet enkel in Gent is men hiermee begonnen, ook in Geel. Ik ga ook mijn
> oor eens te luisteren leggen hoe men dat gaat doen. Het is ook zo een
> opportuniteit voor openstreetmap omdat niet alle trage wegen al gemapped
> zijn.
>
> Bij ons zoeken ze vrijwilligers ( zie
> http://www.geel.be/product.aspx?id=3398 ) Dus waarschijnlijk gaat een
> samenwerking zeker wel kunnen. Maar hoe zien jullie dat? Maw wat kan ik de
> mensen vertellen / vragen?
>
> mvg,
>
> Bart
>
> Op 24 september 2015 09:13 schreef Oliver May :
>
> Ik smijt het even op twitter naar de gentse data man :)
>>
>> Op 24 september 2015 08:24 schreef joost schouppe <
>> joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Gentenaars,
>>>
>>> De stad Gent is van plan met hulp van het publiek alle trage wegen in
>>> het Gentse in kaart te brengen. Ik zou dat persoonlijk gewoon met een
>>> Overpass Turbo query doen :)
>>> https://stad.gent/natuur-milieu/groen-de-stad/trage-wegen-gent
>>>
>>> Maar even serieus:  heeft iemand aal contact opgenomen met hen om te
>>> vragen hoe ze dat gaan doen; en of het misschien gene optie zou zijn om dat
>>> in samenwerking met ons te doen?
>>>
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[talk-ph] Mapping Resources.

[Jim Morgan]

Found a page of mapping resources for educational purposes and thought 
I'd share it.


http://www.nea.org/tools/teaching-with-maps.html

Particularly interesting was the one which allowed you to take photos of 
an area from the International Space Station. Not sure if it passes over 
the Philippines, but if it does, then you may be able to use it if 
you're affiliated with a school.


https://earthkam.ucsd.edu/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in Gent

[Bart Vanherck]

Niet enkel in Gent is men hiermee begonnen, ook in Geel. Ik ga ook mijn oor
eens te luisteren leggen hoe men dat gaat doen. Het is ook zo een
opportuniteit voor openstreetmap omdat niet alle trage wegen al gemapped
zijn.

Bij ons zoeken ze vrijwilligers ( zie
http://www.geel.be/product.aspx?id=3398 ) Dus waarschijnlijk gaat een
samenwerking zeker wel kunnen. Maar hoe zien jullie dat? Maw wat kan ik de
mensen vertellen / vragen?

mvg,

Bart

Op 24 september 2015 09:13 schreef Oliver May :

> Ik smijt het even op twitter naar de gentse data man :)
>
> Op 24 september 2015 08:24 schreef joost schouppe <
> joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Gentenaars,
>>
>> De stad Gent is van plan met hulp van het publiek alle trage wegen in het
>> Gentse in kaart te brengen. Ik zou dat persoonlijk gewoon met een Overpass
>> Turbo query doen :)
>> https://stad.gent/natuur-milieu/groen-de-stad/trage-wegen-gent
>>
>> Maar even serieus:  heeft iemand aal contact opgenomen met hen om te
>> vragen hoe ze dat gaan doen; en of het misschien gene optie zou zijn om dat
>> in samenwerking met ons te doen?
>>
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> F: +32 (0)9 236 54 12
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 11:23 schrieb Frederik Ramm :
> 
> 
> I would hesitate to apply this rule for making a selection that can not
> be repeated ("select reverse geocoding results for this non-public list
> of coordinates and store them in my non-public derived database").


I had understood that a database containing the list of coordinates would have 
to be made public (on request), just not what they were standing for/how they 
were gathered.



> 
> Whether something is useful to us or not is not a factor in determining
> where ODbL share-alike applies. This is not great - I'd love a license
> that forces people to share stuff we're interested in and ignores
> everything else. But it is hard to put that in lawyerese ;)


it would also open a can of worms to get to a definition of what is stuff we 
are interested in.


cheers 
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Re: [Talk-de] Regionale Mailingliste anlegen lassen

[Thomas]

Am 24.09.2015 12:28, schrieb markus schnalke:
> Bei uns auf der Ulmer Alb (das sind die Doerfer noerdlich von Ulm)
> bildet sich seit ein paar Monaten eine lokale Community. Unser
> drittes Treffen steht naechste Woche an. Eine kleine Mappingparty
> (die gleichzeitig ein Familienausflug war) haben wir auch schon
> gemacht. Wir versuchen insbesondere die verstreuten Einzelmapper,
> die es in der Gegend gibt, einzusammeln, damit die nicht ganz auf
> sich alleine gestellt sind, sondern Motivation und Unterstuetzung
> erfahren.
> 
> Aus unserer Sicht ist eine Mailingliste das entscheidende
> Kommunikationshilfsmittel um die Gruppe auch zwischen den Treffen
> am Leben zu erhalten, da dadurch die Paardiskussionen geoeffnet
> werden und so die Gruppe erst entsteht. Auch sehen wir in einer
> offiziellen Mailingliste die Wertschaetzung einer solchen lokalen
> Community und eine Moeglichkeit, dass wir besser gefunden werden.

Hallo Markus,

warum "kapert" ihr nicht die Ulmer Mailingliste? Ich habe gerade im
Archiv geschaut, da ist fast gar nichts los und ihr würdet
verhindern, dass die Mailinglisten zu kleinteilig und regional
zersplittert werden.

Hier in Bonn/Rhein-Sieg gibt es z.B. eine ziemlich aktive Community
und trotzdem ist die Mailingliste nicht überlastet. Und das auf
einem recht großen Gebiet mit ca. 1 Mio. Einwohner.

Um euch zu organisieren und auch bekannter zu machen, kann ich euch
eine eigene Wiki-Seite empfehlen, so wie diese hier:



:)

Grüße
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 10:34 schrieb demon.box :
> 
> sono d'accordo con te ma vedi che non si arriva mai ad una definizione
> certa? boh!


credo che ci potrebbe stare un nuovo tag per statue religiose, oppure
artwork_type
e religion ma senza tourism.


ciao 
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[Talk-de] Regionale Mailingliste anlegen lassen

[markus schnalke]

Hallo Community.

Bei uns auf der Ulmer Alb (das sind die Doerfer noerdlich von Ulm)
bildet sich seit ein paar Monaten eine lokale Community. Unser
drittes Treffen steht naechste Woche an. Eine kleine Mappingparty
(die gleichzeitig ein Familienausflug war) haben wir auch schon
gemacht. Wir versuchen insbesondere die verstreuten Einzelmapper,
die es in der Gegend gibt, einzusammeln, damit die nicht ganz auf
sich alleine gestellt sind, sondern Motivation und Unterstuetzung
erfahren.

Aus unserer Sicht ist eine Mailingliste das entscheidende
Kommunikationshilfsmittel um die Gruppe auch zwischen den Treffen
am Leben zu erhalten, da dadurch die Paardiskussionen geoeffnet
werden und so die Gruppe erst entsteht. Auch sehen wir in einer
offiziellen Mailingliste die Wertschaetzung einer solchen lokalen
Community und eine Moeglichkeit, dass wir besser gefunden werden.

Am 24. Juli habe ich, der Anleitung auf
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Deutsche_Mailinglisten
folgend, eine Liste fuer uns beantragt (ulmer-alb@).

Einen Monat spaeter (20. August) hatte ich noch immer keine Art
von Reaktion erhalten und nochmals nachgefragt (es war schliesslich
Urlaubszeit).

Inzwischen ist ein weiterer Monat vergangen und ich warte noch
immer auf irgendeine Art von Reaktion. Deshalb melde ich mich jetzt
hier.

Es waere wirklich schoen, wenn ich erstens eine Reaktion auf meine
Anfrage erhalten wuerde und wenn zweitens diese Mailingliste fuer
uns eingerichtet werden wuerde.


Griasla von d'r Alb ra.


meillo

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Re: [Talk-it] Spartitraffico pavimentato

[Volker Schmidt]

per il caso:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzpxJZ2Uygp_akd0and1N3FuR0E/view?usp=sharing

landuse=highway (area è implicito)
barrier=kerb
surface=paving_stones
?

per il caso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_island
non funziona tanto bene perché devo utilizzare landuse per descrivere il
fatto che ci sono piante
Quindi metterei
landuse=shrub (o landuse=garden) (area è implicito)
(no barrier)
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[demon.box]

girarsi_liste wrote
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcellar_entrance
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dwine_cellar
> 
> In aggiunta pure un nodo dove c'è il negozio con shop=wine.

Perfetto! GRAZIE.


girarsi_liste wrote
> Su questa cosa c'è stata una recente discussione:
> 
> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/santelle-croci-crocefissi-ecc-td5854146.html

La conosco... l'ho iniziata io ;-))
Il problema che non è stato chiarito come si taggano le statue religiose...
Piccola statua = wayside_shrine
Grande statua = tourismo artwork + artwork_type=statue + denomination +
religion ??



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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 09:44 schrieb Volker Schmidt :
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dwine_cellar


perché turismo???

ciao 
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 09:38 schrieb demon.box :
> 
> Piccola statua = wayside_shrine


un shrine è una sorta di "scatola", non è una statua (si potrebbe trovare 
dentro)



> Grande statua = tourismo artwork + artwork_type=statue + denomination +
> religion ??


è "turismo "? Per me no, il resto può andare bene, non solo per statue grandi 

ciao 
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Simon Poole]

My understanding of the trivial transformation guideline is that the
data in the nominatim instance would fall under it (so you are not
obliged to supply somebody that  asks with a dump of your nominatim
database or your osm2pgsql rendering database etc etc, you can simply
point to the original data), not necessarily results extracted from it.

Some effort was spent during discussion of a potential metadata
guideline to use usefulness and/or interestingness as a criteria for
when SA applies, however that is IMHO a hopeless dead end, so yes
sometimes SA is going to be attached to stuff that nobody is ever going
to want to reuse.

Simon

Am 24.09.2015 um 10:17 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> Am 24.09.2015 um 10:00 schrieb Frederik Ramm :
>>
>> and another with exactly these coordinates and their
>> OSM reverse geocoding result, and that you join them when displaying,
>> and make the OSM result database available under ODbL on request
>
> Does he even have to? Isn't this covered by the trivial transformations rule? 
> It might be technically complex, but as he used Nominatim, which is available 
> as open source for everyone, the mere application of an unmodified Nominatim 
> seems trivial.
>
> In particular he doesn't add anything to OSM that isn't already in it, so 
> there's nothing to share that would be useful to us.
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Spartitraffico pavimentato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 08:47 schrieb Volker Schmidt :
> 
> landuse=highway (area è implicito)
> barrier=kerb
> surface=paving_stones


un barrier=kerb è una cosa lineare, non può essere taggato sullo stesso oggetto 
che ha anche tags per un area. Devono essere oggetti diversi 


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Re: [OSM-ja] JOSM 日本語五十音プリセットの不具合

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

僕も経緯については詳しくありませんが、
おおむね ribbonさんのとおりかと思っています。
（プリセットが作成されたことは以前に twitterで知った記憶があります）

> コードレビューなど
JOSMのプリセットですが、
明らかなコード上の間違い（JOSMが動かなくなるとかそういうの）以外は、
コードレビュー的なものがほぼ無いと思っています。

また、特にこれは日本語話者でないとわからない内容ですし、
誰かに責を求めるのではなく、これから直すことで対応するほうが前向きかと思います。

直すべき箇所と方法はそれぞれ以下かと思っています。

・OSM wikiのHow to Tag Aのページ
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:How_to_map_a
ずっと昔から使われているページですが、記載が古くなっている箇所も多いかと思います。
この機会に、リファインしたいです。
別途Talk-jaに投稿します。

・JOSMのプリセット
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Japan
こちらもwikiのように、個人で修正ができるようです。
JOSMのIssueにあげて、修正がよいのではないかと思っています。



2015年9月22日 17:00 ribbon :

> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 04:15:15PM +0900, yasun...@yamasita.jp wrote:
>
> >  > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Japan
> >  >
> >  > でしょうか?
> >
> > なるほど。
> > ここが JOSM に反映されるのですね？
> > ありがとうございます。
> >
> >
> >
> > 拝見しましたが、、、
> > branch に入るべき支店名が ref にプリセットされていたり、
> > 三井住友銀行刈谷支店が銀行のデフォルトだったり、
> > 千駄堀の庚申塔とか
> > ローソンがコンビニのデフォルトとか
> > 大磯ロングビーチとか、、、
> > 熊野神社とか
> > 不具合の枚挙にいとまがありません。
> >
> > 残念ながら、なぜこんなプリセットが JOSM 標準で入っているのか
> > 疑問な品質だと思います。
> > どこかでレビューされた上で採用されたものなのでしょうか？
>
> 経緯はよく分からないのですが、たぶん、誰かが作って、登録して
> いたものがそのまま経過しているのだと思います。今年の5月に
> 更新がかかっていますので、メンテナンスはされているのだと思いますが。
>
> ちなみに、メニューには出ていますが、使ったことはありませんでした。
> 日本におけるチェーン店の方はたまに使いますけど。
>
> 内容が不正確なものをそのまま使うのはかえってまずいですね。
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Luis García Castro]

Creo que lo que pretendes se puede hacer perfectamente con OsmAnd añadiendo
Notas directamente sobre el mapa.

(y también te permite guardar tracks)

El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 10:00, Esther Ríos <
esther.riosjime...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
> necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
>
> He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
> móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de la
> zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
> papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
> editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no he
> sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
>
> No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
> poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre es
> aceptable.
>
> Muchas gracias
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cathorpe Interchange

[Ed Loach]

Andy wrote:

> BBC News is reporting that part of the new Cathorpe Interchange
> opened today.
> 
> Does anyone know which part this is, and has it been marked as
> open on the map?

I've seen the follow up emails, but I have gps traces of A14 to M6 from 8pm 
Friday and now don't know whether it is worth using them to update the (then) 
current arrangement which takes M6 bound cars onto the old carriageway that 
used to be for cars in the opposite direction for a time (cars heading the 
other way are on a newer carriageway that I think I've updated previously from 
traces taken when heading home to Clacton).

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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[Volker Schmidt]

come taggo una Cantina intesa come cantina
> dove si maturano e conservano i vini, aperta anche alle visite dei clienti?
>

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dwine_cellar

E poi: capita spesso di imbattersi in statue religiose.
> Statua della Madonna, piuttosto che un Gesù oppure un Santo.
> A volte sono di piccole dimensioni a volte più grande, anche a grandezza
> naturale.
> Stò parlando ovviamente di casi dove NON c'è nessuna edicola o tettuccio
> sopra ma c'è la sola statua.
>
> Nel caso sia di piccole dimensioni può andare bene lo stesso
> wayside=shrine?
> Anche se il wiki è chiaro e dice:
>
> Nella religione cattolica *contiene* generalmente una piccola statua o un
> dipinto dedicato al culto mariano, anche se sono presenti edicole dedicate
> a
> particolari santi.
>
> "Contiene" dice, può andare lo stesso?
> E nel caso di statue più grandi?
>
> Ho sempre usato wayside_shrine anche per questi senza pormi il problema
del tettuccio

just my 2 eurocents

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Re: [Talk-it] Spartitraffico pavimentato

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 09:26 schrieb Volker Schmidt :
> 
> Due oggetti diversi sovrapposti (anche se JOSM si lamenta)


una relazione multipoligono è più facile da editare.

ciao 
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/24/2015 10:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> and another with exactly these coordinates and their
>> OSM reverse geocoding result, and that you join them when displaying,
>> and make the OSM result database available under ODbL on request
> 
> Does he even have to? Isn't this covered by the trivial transformations rule? 

I think the trivial transformations rule would cover use cases where a
selection is made from OSM intrinsic properties ("everything with the
tag X"). This can easily be repeated by everyone.

I would hesitate to apply this rule for making a selection that can not
be repeated ("select reverse geocoding results for this non-public list
of coordinates and store them in my non-public derived database").

The case where the selection criteria are external to OSM, but publicly
available, is somewhere in between. I would always recommend erring on
the side of caution.

> In particular he doesn't add anything to OSM that isn't already in it, so 
> there's nothing to share that would be useful to us.

Whether something is useful to us or not is not a factor in determining
where ODbL share-alike applies. This is not great - I'd love a license
that forces people to share stuff we're interested in and ignores
everything else. But it is hard to put that in lawyerese ;)

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[OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in Gent

[joost schouppe]

Gentenaars,

De stad Gent is van plan met hulp van het publiek alle trage wegen in het
Gentse in kaart te brengen. Ik zou dat persoonlijk gewoon met een Overpass
Turbo query doen :)
https://stad.gent/natuur-milieu/groen-de-stad/trage-wegen-gent

Maar even serieus:  heeft iemand aal contact opgenomen met hen om te vragen
hoe ze dat gaan doen; en of het misschien gene optie zou zijn om dat in
samenwerking met ons te doen?

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Re: [Talk-it] Spartitraffico pavimentato

[Volker Schmidt]

Martin, hai ragione.
Due oggetti diversi sovrapposti (anche se JOSM si lamenta)

2015-09-24 9:18 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Am 24.09.2015 um 08:47 schrieb Volker Schmidt :
> >
> > landuse=highway (area è implicito)
> > barrier=kerb
> > surface=paving_stones
>
>
> un barrier=kerb è una cosa lineare, non può essere taggato sullo stesso
> oggetto che ha anche tags per un area. Devono essere oggetti diversi
>
>
> ciao
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[OSM-ja] State of the Map Japan 2015講演募集期間を延長致します。

[ikiya]

10月31日（土）静岡県浜松市で開催されますOpenStreetMap年次国内会議「State of the Map Japan 
2015」の講演募集期間を延長致します。

現在、講演の応募をいただいていますが、より多くの方の発表を期待して講演募集の期間を9月末まで延長致します。
OSMマッピングの事例や技術紹介、コミュニティ活動などの紹介をお待ちしています。

講演内容、講演枠、エントリー方法は以下の通りとなります。

【 講演内容 】
OpenStreetMapに関わるマッピング活動やコミュニティ活動、技術的な内容の報告や紹介、提案等について講演を募集致します。

【 講演枠 】
講演A　　20分間
講演B  　10分間

【 エントリー方法 】
講演募集につきましてはプロポーザル形式をとります。
SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp  から講演者プロフィール、講演内容をエントリーしていただき、SotM 
Japan実行委員会の承認を経て講演を決定致します。

１．SotM Japanサイト https://stateofthemap.jp 
でユーザー登録を行ってください。ユーザー登録はトップ画面右上の「ユーザー登録」ボタンから行えます。
２．ユーザー登録後、サイトにログインします。
３．サイト上段メニューにあります「講演者向け」をクリック、「投稿の提案」と「講演者プロフィール提出」が表示されますので、こちらから講演者ご自身のプロフィールと講演の提案内容を記入願います。

【 募集締め切り 】
　9月30日（水）

よろしくお願い致します。
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in Gent

[Oliver May]

Ik smijt het even op twitter naar de gentse data man :)

Op 24 september 2015 08:24 schreef joost schouppe 
:

> Gentenaars,
>
> De stad Gent is van plan met hulp van het publiek alle trage wegen in het
> Gentse in kaart te brengen. Ik zou dat persoonlijk gewoon met een Overpass
> Turbo query doen :)
> https://stad.gent/natuur-milieu/groen-de-stad/trage-wegen-gent
>
> Maar even serieus:  heeft iemand aal contact opgenomen met hen om te
> vragen hoe ze dat gaan doen; en of het misschien gene optie zou zijn om dat
> in samenwerking met ons te doen?
>
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[Talk-at] Einladung zum September-Stammtisch in Graz am 28.9.

[Michael Maier]

Liebe OpenStreetMap-Interessierte in der Steiermark,

Ich lade herzlich ein zum nächsten OpenStreetMap-Stammtisch Graz am
Montag, 28.9.!

Der Stammtisch findet um 18:00 im Brot & Spiele in Graz  statt -
Tischreservierung auf „žOpenStreetMap“, wir sitzen im diesmal im
Pub-Bereich vorne - gleich links rein der Tisch neben der Tür.


Zwecks Agenda und sonstigem bitte die Wiki-Seite konsultieren:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Graz/Stammtisch

Ich freue mich auf euer kommen!

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[Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Esther Ríos]

Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
necesito hacer trabajo de campo.

He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de la
zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no he
sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.

No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre es
aceptable.

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Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Alvaro Lara Cano]

Hola Esther,

OsmAnd permite poner notas, pero las sube a la web de OSM con tu 
usuario. No se si es eso lo que buscas.



Un saludo.


El 24/09/15 a las 10:00, Esther Ríos escribió:


Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello 
necesito hacer trabajo de campo.


He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para 
móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM 
de la zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman 
sobre papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen 
de fondo y editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay 
muchas pero no he sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.


No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con 
la poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no 
siempre es aceptable.


Muchas gracias



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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Am 24.09.2015 um 09:38 schrieb demon.box 

> e.rossini73@

> :
>> 
>> Piccola statua = wayside_shrine
> 
> 
> un shrine è una sorta di "scatola", non è una statua (si potrebbe trovare
> dentro)
> 
> 
> 
>> Grande statua = tourismo artwork + artwork_type=statue + denomination +
>> religion ??
> 
> 
> è "turismo "? Per me no, il resto può andare bene, non solo per statue
> grandi 
> 
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sono d'accordo con te ma vedi che non si arriva mai ad una definizione
certa? boh!



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Re: [Talk-it] [Gfoss] Mapping party tematici a Ferrara

[Piergiorgio Cipriano]

Ciao Matteo,
si .. ero passato sabato mattina scorso da http://memexposed.com/ ed avevo
parlato con Fausto Bertoncelli.
La cosa mi ha fatto piacere, anche perché ne avevo parlato a inizio anno
proprio con Fausto e altri.
Che dati avete raccolto?
Magari se sabato 26 oppure lunedì 28 riesci a fare un salto ne possiamo
parlare a voce.



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Il giorno 24 settembre 2015 11:01, Matteo Fortini 
ha scritto:

> Ciao,
> sabato scorso in occasione di MEMExposed abbiamo fatto una mini-hackathon
> intorno all'area del mercato coperto di Ferrara con tema l'accessibilità.
>
> Abbiamo rilevato che molti luoghi di Ferrara sono ancora "grigi" su
> portali come wheelmap.org, si potrebbe cercare di definirne lo stato.
>
> Su edifici e accessibilità forse si potrebbero coinvolgere gli studenti e
> le studentesse dell'istituto per geometri, per un'uscita stile
> openricostruzione.
>
> Matteo
>
>
> Il 23/09/2015 22:18, Piergiorgio Cipriano ha scritto:
>
> Ciao a tutte/i,
> scrivo per segnalare un paio di eventi che forse interessano qualcuno in
> lista.
>
> Qualche settimana fa insieme ad alcuni amici ferraresi (Marica Landini,
> Stefano Droghetti e Leonardo Delmonte) è nata l'idea di organizzare nei
> prossimi mesi, nella nostra città, alcuni mapping party "tematici".
>
> I primi due temi individuati sono:
> - navigabilità fluviale
> - edifici
>
> Parto dal primo.
> Fino al 30 ottobre, in collaborazione con il consorzio Wunderkammer [1],
> abbiamo pensato di correggere e aggiungere informazioni in OSM relative
> alla *navigabilità fluviale* (idrovia ferrarese).
> In questa pagina wiki [2] stiamo lentamente descrivendo cosa intendiamo
> fare.
> In due parole: riportare su OSM informazioni dettagliate utili a chi "usa"
> i fiumi ed i canali (es. altezza ponti, servizi, ...).
> Queste informazioni esistono già e sono disponibili su atlanti e
> pubblicazioni messi a disposizione dall'Associazione Fiumana e dal Canoa
> club.
> Per chi è interessato, appuntamento presso Wunderkammer (Via Darsena -
> http://osm.org/go/xdVwBfkFb) *lunedì 28 alle
> ore 17* per iniziare il lavoro.
>
> Il secondo tema è quello degli *edifici*.
> In questo momento gli edifici rappresentati in OSM su Ferrara ...
> semplicemente non sono edifici [3] (chi si occupa di database topografici
> li definirebbe "cassoni edilizi" [4]).
> Ci piacerebbe arrivare ad avere in OSM una rappresentazione molto più
> dettagliata e utile degli edifici ferraresi, con poligoni che raffigurino
> correttamente gli edifici e soprattutto con tag relativi all'epoca di
> costruzione, all'altezza, piani. Insomma, non tanto diverso da quanto
> esiste già nei Paesi Bassi [5] (... ma là il catasto ha dati dettagliati e
> soprattutto aperti!).
> Per fare questo, sfrutteremo il lavoro del progetto Sunshine [6] con
> l'obiettivo di proporre su OSM una sostituzione massiva degli attuali
> "cassoni" con i dati raccolti in quel progetto da Università e Comune, dati
> che a fine anno saranno pubblicati in CC-BY.
>
> A tale proposito, invito tutti gli interessati a trovarsi nel Cortile del
> Castello Estense il prossimo sabato, *26 settembre alle 10*, per una
> mezza giornata di mapping tematico sugli edifici.
>
> Con la speranza di ricevere qualche feedback e qualche critica costruttiva.
>
> A presto
>
>
> [1] https://www.facebook.com/consorziowunderkammer
> [2]  
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ferrara
> [3]  http://osm.org/go/xdVwG2JK8--
> [4]
> 
> http://geoportale.regione.emilia-romagna.it/it/catalogo/dati-cartografici/cartografia-di-base/database-topografico-regionale/immobili/edificato/cassone-edilizio-dbtr2013-fab_gpg
> [5]  http://osm.org/go/0Et3wjPN6
> [6] http://www.sunshineproject.eu
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Alejandro S.]

Con Osman mientras vas grabando el track (aunque luego no lo uses) puedes
ir añadiendo al fichero del track waypoints con una nota en la localización
que señales pulsando un rato en la pantalla.

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez

2015-09-24 15:49 GMT+02:00 Luis García Castro :

>
> El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 15:02, Rodrigo Rega 
> escribió:
>
>> Para hacer trabajo de campo la mejor app para Android que me consta es
>> OSMTracker. No recuerdo si permite añadir POIs especificando la
>> localización manualmente, siempre la he usado con GPS.
>
>
> No, no lo permite. Sitúa el POI en el lugar en el que estás (o en el lugar
> en el que el teléfono cree que estás) y esto no proporciona la precisión
> requerida, especialmente en ciudades
>
> Yo hace tiempo usaba OSMTracker en lugares bien conocidos para ir
> apuntando los POIs (nombres, números, etc.) sabiendo que luego en casa
> podría situarlo correctamente "de memoria", pero ahora lo hago más
> cómodamente con OsmAnd.
>
> Es cuestión de conocer las herramientas y usar una u otra según convenga
> en cada caso.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 104, Envío 28

[Esther Ríos]

Muchas gracias, voy a probarlo

El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 14:00, <talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org>
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> Asuntos del día:
>
>1. Walking papers y app para móvil android (Esther Ríos)
>2. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Luis García Castro)
>3. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Alvaro Lara Cano)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:00:56 +0200
> From: Esther Ríos <esther.riosjime...@gmail.com>
> To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
> necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
>
> He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
> móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de la
> zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
> papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
> editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no he
> sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
>
> No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
> poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre es
> aceptable.
>
> Muchas gracias
>  próxima parte 
> Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML...
> URL: <
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/attachments/20150924/e2955ec7/attachment-0001.html
> >
>
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> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:24:42 +0200
> From: Luis García Castro <lui...@gmail.com>
> To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
> <talk-es@openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android
> Message-ID:
> 

Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Rodrigo Rega]

Para hacer trabajo de campo la mejor app para Android que me consta es
OSMTracker. No recuerdo si permite añadir POIs especificando la
localización manualmente, siempre la he usado con GPS.
El 24/9/2015 10:19, "Esther Ríos"  escribió:

> Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
> necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
>
> He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
> móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de la
> zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
> papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
> editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no he
> sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
>
> No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
> poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre es
> aceptable.
>
> Muchas gracias
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Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Luis García Castro]

El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 15:02, Rodrigo Rega 
escribió:

> Para hacer trabajo de campo la mejor app para Android que me consta es
> OSMTracker. No recuerdo si permite añadir POIs especificando la
> localización manualmente, siempre la he usado con GPS.


No, no lo permite. Sitúa el POI en el lugar en el que estás (o en el lugar
en el que el teléfono cree que estás) y esto no proporciona la precisión
requerida, especialmente en ciudades

Yo hace tiempo usaba OSMTracker en lugares bien conocidos para ir apuntando
los POIs (nombres, números, etc.) sabiendo que luego en casa podría
situarlo correctamente "de memoria", pero ahora lo hago más cómodamente con
OsmAnd.

Es cuestión de conocer las herramientas y usar una u otra según convenga en
cada caso.


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cathorpe Interchange

[Andy Robinson]

Ed,

Your traces to and from the A14 should still be valid. The new A14 to M6 links 
are some way off being completed.

http://bit.do/bkYt5 from last week I believe

Cheers
Andy 

-Original Message-
From: Ed Loach [mailto:edlo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 September 2015 08:46
To: 'Andy Mabbett'; 'talk-gb-westmidlands'
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cathorpe Interchange

Andy wrote:

> BBC News is reporting that part of the new Cathorpe Interchange opened 
> today.
> 
> Does anyone know which part this is, and has it been marked as open on 
> the map?

I've seen the follow up emails, but I have gps traces of A14 to M6 from 8pm 
Friday and now don't know whether it is worth using them to update the (then) 
current arrangement which takes M6 bound cars onto the old carriageway that 
used to be for cars in the opposite direction for a time (cars heading the 
other way are on a newer carriageway that I think I've updated previously from 
traces taken when heading home to Clacton).

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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Richard Mann]

Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.

My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels. I'm
thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

Richard

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Issues with the rendering are here:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto
>
> I couldn't see anything about platforms (except as a side-issue on
> something else that had been closed), but I didn't search exhaustively.
>
> Richard
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> Jerry - thanks for the post in the 3D forum. Richard (Mann)  where do I
>> check to see if a ticket has  been raised on the platform rendering?
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 21 September 2015 at 21:16, SK53  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> I've put a couple of messages, one in the UK forum & one here in the 3D
>>> mapping forum
>>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=548662#p548662.
>>>
>>> It's all fairly standard bboard software: I think OSM user name works.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On 21 September 2015 at 13:34, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jerry

 I'm not familiar with OSM fora - how do I find out? Or can you give me
 list and where they're found ;-)

 On 21 September 2015 at 12:13, SK53  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Seems a very sensible request. It may be worth posting this to the
> forums. Marek who is very active in both 3D buildings & indoor mapping
> tends to be there and not on mailing lists. There are both 3D building &
> indoor mapping subfora too,
>
> Jerry
>
> On 20 September 2015 at 19:54, Brian Prangle 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I've blogged  about this and the
>> complexities involved with this multi-level and multi-purpose building. 
>> It
>> would be good if we can plan how to map this sensibly and co-ordinate
>> effort in an agreed way and not just have a  free-for-all accretion of 
>> POIs
>> and ways which will end up as an indecipherable tangle (it's pretty bad
>> already).
>>
>> Grand Central, the shopping mall on top of New Street station opens
>> this week on 24 September
>>
>> Assistance welcomed from railway, public transport and 3D mappers. If
>> there's any enthusiasm for helping local mappers I'll start a wiki 
>> project
>> page where we can record agreed protocols.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-es] Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 104, Envío 29

[yo paseopor]

Vespucci?

2015-09-24 15:56 GMT+02:00 <talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org>:

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> respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está
> respondiendo.
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>
> Asuntos del día:
>
>1. Re: Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 104, Envío 28 (Esther Ríos)
>2. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Rodrigo Rega)
>3. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Luis García Castro)
>4. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Alejandro S.)
>
>
> --
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:45:27 +0200
> From: Esther Ríos <esther.riosjime...@gmail.com>
> To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Resumen de Talk-es, Vol 104, Envío 28
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Muchas gracias, voy a probarlo
>
> El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 14:00, <talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org>
> escribió:
>
> > Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-es a
> > talk-es@openstreetmap.org
> >
> > Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB
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> > el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a:
> > talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org
> >
> > Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a:
> > talk-es-ow...@openstreetmap.org
> >
> > Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la
> > linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que:
> > "Re: Contents of Talk-es digest...". Además, por favor, incluya en la
> > respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está
> > respondiendo.
> >
> >
> > Asuntos del día:
> >
> >1. Walking papers y app para móvil android (Esther Ríos)
> >2. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Luis García Castro)
> >3. Re: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Alvaro Lara Cano)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:00:56 +0200
> > From: Esther Ríos <esther.riosjime...@gmail.com>
> > To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > cam4uvnodhowpxzwg6wnwwxmblxzceohn+dmar39mwrsd4hg...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
> > necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
> >
> > He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
> > móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de
> la
> > zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
> > papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
> > editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no
> he
> > sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
> >
> > No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
> > poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre
> es
> > aceptable.
> >
> > Muchas gracias
> >  próxima parte 
> > Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML...
> > URL: <
> >
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/attachments/20150924/e2955ec7/attachment-0001.html
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:24:42 +0200
> > From: Luis García Castro <lui...@gmail.com>
> > To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
> > <talk-es@openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android
> > Message-ID:
> > 

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Derick Rethans]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:

> Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> 
> My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels. I'm
> thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and 
draw (where possible) the different shop outlines: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the 
footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1

It doesn't render well, but the data is there. 

cheers,
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Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android

[Roberto geb]

Esther,

yo uso OsmAnd, que no requiere conexión a internet. Puedes crear las notas
sobre el mapa en tu teléfono. Posteriormente puedes decidir cuáles quieres
subir las notas a OSM y cuáles no. Por ejemplo, si realizas tú los cambios
puedes borrarlas del teléfono y subir sólo lo que no hayas modificado.

El 24 de septiembre de 2015, 10:00, Esther Ríos <
esther.riosjime...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para ello
> necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
>
> He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación para
> móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de OSM de la
> zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman sobre
> papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de fondo y
> editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas pero no he
> sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
>
> No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y con la
> poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no siempre es
> aceptable.
>
> Muchas gracias
>
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[Talk-es] Vespucci

[Paúl Sanz]

: Walking papers y app para móvil android (Alvaro Lara
>Cano)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>--
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:00:56 +0200
>> > From: Esther Ríos <esther.riosjime...@gmail.com>
>> > To: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
>> > Subject: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <
>> > cam4uvnodhowpxzwg6wnwwxmblxzceohn+dmar39mwrsd4hg...@mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> > Me estoy iniciando en el uso y edición de contenido de OSM y para
>ello
>> > necesito hacer trabajo de campo.
>> >
>> > He estado mirando en la wiki de OSM en busca de alguna aplicación
>para
>> > móvil android, que use como mapa de referencia la cartografía de
>OSM de
>> la
>> > zona y donde se puede ir almacenando notas como las que se toman
>sobre
>> > papel con Field Maps y que después se puedan poner como imagen de
>fondo y
>> > editar contenido de OSM. El caso es que aplicaciones hay muchas
>pero no
>> he
>> > sabido ver si alguna cumple con estas condiciones.
>> >
>> > No hace falta que sean tracks, ya que según la escala de trabajo y
>con la
>> > poca precisión de los GPS de teléfonos móviles, el resultado no
>siempre
>> es
>> > aceptable.
>> >
>> > Muchas gracias
>> >  próxima parte 
>> > Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML...
>> > URL: <
>> >
>>
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/attachments/20150924/e2955ec7/attachment-0001.html
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:24:42 +0200
>> > From: Luis García Castro <lui...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap
>> > <talk-es@openstreetmap.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Talk-es] Walking papers y app para móvil android
>> > Message-ID:
>> > 

Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

All sounds great to me. So the platforms/lines will be layer-1; the station
concourse layer 0; Grand Central mall layer 1; short stay car park layer
2.  Problem: there are a couple of retail outlets each side of Southside
entrance which should be layer 0 to match the street, but layer -1 to refer
to station concourse. I've got outline location plans so can proceed to get
them added.

regards

Brian

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Chris Hill]

On 24/09/15 18:41, Phil Endecott wrote:

Chris Hill wrote:

Suitably processed this could provide a source of building outlines.


Yes, I think it could be very useful for that.  I've had a play
and rather than doing shaded relief I've just converted the height
directly into a grey shade.  I've then applied ImageMagick's edge
detection filter.  Here are a couple of fragments near Manchester
taken from the 25cm resolution data; in each case the first image
is the direct height-to-grey and the second is edge-detected:

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1_ed.png
This is at SJ 8099, or maybe search for Chaseley Road to find it
on a map.  You could easily trace building outlines from this and
determine roof shapes and could measure building heights by subtracting
roof from ground, with some suitable tool.  You could also trace
trees and some walls.

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2_ed.png
This is SE of the last one at SJ 8198.  The gasometers (presumably!)
are at the junction of West Egerton Street and Liverpool Street.
I find it interesting that you can count the number of ridges in
the large warehouse roofs.  You can also easily identify carparks!

How would people find this for tracing compared to photo imagery?


Looks interesting. Have you reprojected the images from the OS 
projection they come as to WGS84 that OSM uses?


Some of the data was gathered in 2009, so Bing aerial images can be more 
up-to-date, but for most buildings this isn't a problem.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

I've put in the internal outlines for the concourse and populated a few
units. Thanks for the suggestion Marc I'll take a look.
Richard - I now like the bridge idea for layer 1 Grand Central Mall.

Should the entrances be rendered?

Regards

Brian



On 24 September 2015 at 19:53, SK53  wrote:

> Yes, I had meant to mention it. There was a nice presentation at SotM-Fr.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 24 September 2015 at 19:46, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help
>> to visualize the shops ?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:
>>
>>> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops
>>> in remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all
>>> are visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
>>> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
>>> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:

 > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
 > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
 > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
 >
 > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main
 street /
 > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other
 layers/levels. I'm
 > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
 and
 > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.

 I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
 draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
 footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1

 It doesn't render well, but the data is there.

 cheers,
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[Talk-it] cerco aiuto con Overpass turbo wizard

[Volker Schmidt]

 Domanda da principante:

mi serve la query per il wizard overpass turbo per cercare tutti ways della
relazione xx che non hanno un key yy.

Grazie in anticipo

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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Andy Robinson]

That looks really good. Very useful for tracing buildings because there is no 
angle distortion. You can even pick out the differences between the main block 
of a building outline and the lower parts such as single storey extensions and 
garages. One drawback is that vehicles show up but they tend to be smaller than 
most structures.

Be interesting to see a semi-transparent version over an aerial image to see if 
the two combined make tracing very easy or just confusing.

Cheers
Andy

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From: Phil Endecott [mailto:spam_from_os...@chezphil.org] 
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Chris Hill wrote:
> Suitably processed this could provide a source of building outlines.

Yes, I think it could be very useful for that.  I've had a play and rather than 
doing shaded relief I've just converted the height directly into a grey shade.  
I've then applied ImageMagick's edge detection filter.  Here are a couple of 
fragments near Manchester taken from the 25cm resolution data; in each case the 
first image is the direct height-to-grey and the second is edge-detected:

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1_ed.png
This is at SJ 8099, or maybe search for Chaseley Road to find it on a map.  You 
could easily trace building outlines from this and determine roof shapes and 
could measure building heights by subtracting roof from ground, with some 
suitable tool.  You could also trace trees and some walls.

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2_ed.png
This is SE of the last one at SJ 8198.  The gasometers (presumably!) are at the 
junction of West Egerton Street and Liverpool Street.
I find it interesting that you can count the number of ridges in the large 
warehouse roofs.  You can also easily identify carparks!

How would people find this for tracing compared to photo imagery?


Cheers,  Phil.





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Re: [Talk-de] Regionale Mailingliste anlegen lassen

[Sven Anders]

Am 24.09.2015 um 12:28 schrieb markus schnalke:
> 
> Es waere wirklich schoen, wenn ich erstens eine Reaktion auf meine
> Anfrage erhalten wuerde und wenn zweitens diese Mailingliste fuer
> uns eingerichtet werden wuerde.

Du solltest jetzt Post bekommen haben.

Tschuldigung, deine E-Mails habe ich irgenwie im Spam übersehen.

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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 24.09.2015 um 19:33 schrieb demon.box :
> 
> beh ma d'altronde se il prefisso per artwork è tourism cos'altro si può
> fare?


solo perché c'è un tag tourism=artwork non vuol dire che non ci sono anche 
altre chiavi con il valore artwork.
 
Ci sono per esempio anche barrier=city_wall e historic=citywalls

ciao 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Brian Prangle]

I'm not sure that tagging the internal footways as bridges quite reflects
what's on the ground so I think we should just tag the layer

Rgds Brian

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/24/2015 06:52 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote:
> If a printed map is a database

A printed map is not a database for us; the German court opinion you
quote has been mentioned in the run-up to the license change but it
didn't convince us.

A database has to consist of things "arranged in a systematic or
methodical way and individually accessible by electronic or other
means". While it is obviously possible for a court to stretch this
definition to printed maps, most people find the idea absurd.

> (refer to Landgericht München I, 21 O
> 14294/00) and we treat it as a produced work, why can't another database
> not be a produced work as well? For example a database used for routing
> or a database used for (reverse)geocoding.

A database that you create by repeatedly extracting snippets of
information from OSM - the results of your geocoding query - is
*clearly* a database according to the "arranged in a systematic or
methodical way..." definition.

Your logic seems to be that essentially because a court somewhere has
once said that 1 = 0 in some cases, anything goes!

> I'm out from this legal discussion. And I recommend all not having any
> degree of legals and experience with database right also not to
> participate in this discussion any more. It's all opinions. But for
> legal discussions opinions don't count much (maybe unless you are the
> judge).

I don't think that we should switch off our rational thinking just
because there are people with a law degree.

But you are right in that this discussion goes much too far into the
"what would a lawyer say" direction. We don't need that - the subject is
quite appropriately "When *should* ODbL apply to Geocoding". If we as a
project find an answer to that, then we can let lawyers fix (or
interpret) the license so that it delivers what we want.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[SK53]

Yes, I had meant to mention it. There was a nice presentation at SotM-Fr.

Jerry

On 24 September 2015 at 19:46, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help to
> visualize the shops ?
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:
>
>> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops
>> in remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all
>> are visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
>> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
>> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>>>
>>> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
>>> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
>>> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
>>> >
>>> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main
>>> street /
>>> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other
>>> layers/levels. I'm
>>> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
>>> and
>>> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>>>
>>> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
>>> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
>>> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>>>
>>> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Derick
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[ael]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 06:41:23PM +0100, Phil Endecott wrote:
> 
> How would people find this for tracing compared to photo imagery?

It looks excellent, at least at first glance. Thanks so much for all the
work.

ael


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Re: [Talk-it] Tag particolari (altri....)

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> credo che ci potrebbe stare un nuovo tag per statue religiose, oppure
> artwork_type
> e religion ma senza tourism.

beh ma d'altronde se il prefisso per artwork è tourism cos'altro si può
fare?



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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Phil Endecott]

Chris Hill wrote:

Suitably processed this could provide a source of building outlines.


Yes, I think it could be very useful for that.  I've had a play
and rather than doing shaded relief I've just converted the height
directly into a grey shade.  I've then applied ImageMagick's edge
detection filter.  Here are a couple of fragments near Manchester
taken from the 25cm resolution data; in each case the first image
is the direct height-to-grey and the second is edge-detected:

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar1_ed.png
This is at SJ 8099, or maybe search for Chaseley Road to find it
on a map.  You could easily trace building outlines from this and
determine roof shapes and could measure building heights by subtracting
roof from ground, with some suitable tool.  You could also trace
trees and some walls.

http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2.png
http://chezphil.org/tmp/lidar2_ed.png
This is SE of the last one at SJ 8198.  The gasometers (presumably!)
are at the junction of West Egerton Street and Liverpool Street.
I find it interesting that you can count the number of ridges in
the large warehouse roofs.  You can also easily identify carparks!

How would people find this for tracing compared to photo imagery?


Cheers,  Phil.





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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[Marc Gemis]

Would a tool like http://github.pavie.info/openlevelup/ be of any help to
visualize the shops ?

regards

m

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, SK53  wrote:

> One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops in
> remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all are
> visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
> about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
> merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>>
>> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
>> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
>> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
>> >
>> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street
>> /
>> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
>> I'm
>> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes,
>> and
>> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>>
>> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
>> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
>> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>>
>> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Derick
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Dave F.]

On 24/09/2015 18:41, Phil Endecott wrote:

You could easily trace building outlines from this


This looks excellent, but being inherently lazy, is there any software 
to convert what I assume are pixels outlines into vectors?


It would save a *lot* of tracing. (Caveat: I'm not advocating  mass import)

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[OSM-talk-fr] Introduction de l'Action OSM 2015 Côte d'Ivoire

[nicolas chavent]

Bonsoir à tous et à toutes,


Ci-dessous un message envoyé sur hot-francophone qui introduit le travail
de renforcement de capacités technique et organisationnel autour
d'OpenStreetMap qu'une vingtaine de mappers de France, de Côte d'Ivoire et
d'Afrique de l'Ouest vont conduire à Bouaké pendant 3 semaines du
25-Septembre au 15 Octobre 2015.

Excellente soirée,
Nicolas


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Date: 2015-09-24 22:50 GMT+02:00
Subject: Action OSM 2015 Côte d'Ivoire
To: hot-francophone 


Bonsoir à tous et à toutes,


Demain une vingtaine de mappers du projet OpenStreetMap (OSM) se mettront
en route du Bénin, du Burkina-Faso, de France, du Mali, du Niger, du
Sénégal et du Togo pour rallier Bouaké au centre de la Côte d’Ivoire.

Intégrés au sein du collectif Espace OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF), ils
agiront dans le cadre d’une action de renforcement de capacités de la
Direction de la Francophonie Numérique (DFN) de l’OIF pour y mettre en
oeuvre un programme de sensibilisation et formation en cartographie
numérique OSM (OpenStreetMap) et en géomatique libre.

Cette équipe travaillera du 25 septembre au 15 octobre 2015 dans la ville
de Bouaké, en organisant et animant une série d'ateliers dans les lieux
supports du projet OSM (université, lieux technologiques et associatifs)
selon un programme conçu de façon étroite entre la DFN, des mappers
expérimentés dans l’animation OSM en Afrique de l’Ouest, le collectif
ProjetEOF, les collectifs locaux d’animateurs OSM à commencer par celles et
ceux de de la communauté OSM ivoirienne.

Le travail en atelier concernera les aspects suivants nécessaires à
l'animation du projet OpenStreetMap associé à des initiatives de géomatique
libre et de données ouvertes en Côte d’Ivoire et en Afrique de l’Ouest :

   -

   Usage des données OSM et données ouvertes (open data) dans des approches
   de type Systèmes d'Information Géographique (SIG) et Cartographie au moyen
   de logiciels et ressources web libres ;
   -

   Usage des techniques de cartographie du projet OSM à destination de
   différents publics portant sur différents cas d'usage, notamment la
   conception et réalisation de programmes de cartographie à distance
   utilisant imagerie satellite, cartes scannées, mobilisation des communautés
   OSM francophone et globale, de cartographie terrain avec ou sans accès à
   imagerie satellite, avec GPS) ;
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main d'outils SIG utilisant la
   données OSM ainsi que d’autres données ouvertes (open data) comme le
   logiciel QGIS ;
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main d'outils web utilisant les
   données OSM ainsi que d'autres données libres comme le service de
   cartographie web Umap et l’infrastructure de Données Spatiales (IDS) libre
   GeOrchestra
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main de techniques de
   cartographie web (mobile et site web) avec la librairie java Leaflet
   utilisant la donnée OSM (API) ainsi que d'autres sources de données
   ouvertes (open data)


Deux ateliers de 5 jours chacun seront conduits au bénéfice d’une
quarantaine d’Ivoiriens et d’Ivoiriennes issus de la communauté OSM, des
communautés de pratique du libre, des milieux professionnels de la
géomatique (gouvernement, organisations internationales, ONG) et notamment
les milieux de l’enseignement et de la recherche. A travers son approche de
formation de formateurs, le programme s’adresse également aux collectifs
d'animateurs OSM de Côte d’Ivoire et d’Afrique de l’Ouest.

En marge de ces ateliers, il sera organisé le WE du ¾ octobre un atelier de
création de données en masse (mapathon) OpenStreetMap ouvert aux
participants des ateliers et aux acteurs des scènes géomatiques, libristes
et openstreetmap de la ville de Bouaké.

Enfin, l’équipe, au terme des deux ateliers, mettra à profit la présence
sur Bouaké d’un aussi grand nombre d’animateurs OSM ouest africains pour
travailler 4 jours de rang sur un programme interne de renforcement de
capacités organisationnelles liées à l’animation du projet OSM en Afrique
de l’Ouest dans une perspective de volontariat ou d’économie sociale et
solidaire.

Nous communiquerons sur l’actualité de cette action de renforcement de
capacités sous-régionale sur les listes OSM, la section wiki du projet
OSMCI, les blogs et médias sociaux utilisés par le ProjetEOF, OSMCI et les
autres collectifs OSM d’Afrique de l’Ouest.

Excellente soirée à tous et toutes
Nicolas

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Re: [Talk-de] Peilung

[Tom Pfeifer]

Thorsten Alge wrote on 2015-09-24 23:16:

Hallo Liste,

gibt es einen OSM basierten Dienst auf dem eich die Peilung von einem
Punkt zu einem anderen ablesen kann?


Hallo Thorsten,

mir ist noch nicht ganz glar was du eigentlich machen willst.
Willst du auf einen realen Fernsehturm steigen und zur Kirche rüberpeilen,
und brauchst dazu "irgendwie" OSM?

Oder willst du von vorhandenen OSM-Nodes A und B wissen, in welcher
Kompass-Richtung A von B liegt?

Letzteres macht das Measurement-Plugin in JOSM. Einfach beide Nodes
anklicken, und Entfernung und Winkel werden im Fenster berechnet,
entsprechend der Auswahl auch Flächen und Pfadlängen.

tom


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[Talk-ht] Action OSM 2015 Côte d'Ivoire

[nicolas chavent]

Bonsoir à tous et à toutes,


Demain une vingtaine de mappers du projet OpenStreetMap (OSM) se mettront
en route du Bénin, du Burkina-Faso, de France, du Mali, du Niger, du
Sénégal et du Togo pour rallier Bouaké au centre de la Côte d’Ivoire.

Intégrés au sein du collectif Espace OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF), ils
agiront dans le cadre d’une action de renforcement de capacités de la
Direction de la Francophonie Numérique (DFN) de l’OIF pour y mettre en
oeuvre un programme de sensibilisation et formation en cartographie
numérique OSM (OpenStreetMap) et en géomatique libre.

Cette équipe travaillera du 25 septembre au 15 octobre 2015 dans la ville
de Bouaké, en organisant et animant une série d'ateliers dans les lieux
supports du projet OSM (université, lieux technologiques et associatifs)
selon un programme conçu de façon étroite entre la DFN, des mappers
expérimentés dans l’animation OSM en Afrique de l’Ouest, le collectif
ProjetEOF, les collectifs locaux d’animateurs OSM à commencer par celles et
ceux de de la communauté OSM ivoirienne.

Le travail en atelier concernera les aspects suivants nécessaires à
l'animation du projet OpenStreetMap associé à des initiatives de géomatique
libre et de données ouvertes en Côte d’Ivoire et en Afrique de l’Ouest :

   -

   Usage des données OSM et données ouvertes (open data) dans des approches
   de type Systèmes d'Information Géographique (SIG) et Cartographie au moyen
   de logiciels et ressources web libres ;
   -

   Usage des techniques de cartographie du projet OSM à destination de
   différents publics portant sur différents cas d'usage, notamment la
   conception et réalisation de programmes de cartographie à distance
   utilisant imagerie satellite, cartes scannées, mobilisation des communautés
   OSM francophone et globale, de cartographie terrain avec ou sans accès à
   imagerie satellite, avec GPS) ;
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main d'outils SIG utilisant la
   données OSM ainsi que d’autres données ouvertes (open data) comme le
   logiciel QGIS ;
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main d'outils web utilisant les
   données OSM ainsi que d'autres données libres comme le service de
   cartographie web Umap et l’infrastructure de Données Spatiales (IDS) libre
   GeOrchestra
   -

   Introduction, démonstration et prise en main de techniques de
   cartographie web (mobile et site web) avec la librairie java Leaflet
   utilisant la donnée OSM (API) ainsi que d'autres sources de données
   ouvertes (open data)


Deux ateliers de 5 jours chacun seront conduits au bénéfice d’une
quarantaine d’Ivoiriens et d’Ivoiriennes issus de la communauté OSM, des
communautés de pratique du libre, des milieux professionnels de la
géomatique (gouvernement, organisations internationales, ONG) et notamment
les milieux de l’enseignement et de la recherche. A travers son approche de
formation de formateurs, le programme s’adresse également aux collectifs
d'animateurs OSM de Côte d’Ivoire et d’Afrique de l’Ouest.

En marge de ces ateliers, il sera organisé le WE du ¾ octobre un atelier de
création de données en masse (mapathon) OpenStreetMap ouvert aux
participants des ateliers et aux acteurs des scènes géomatiques, libristes
et openstreetmap de la ville de Bouaké.

Enfin, l’équipe, au terme des deux ateliers, mettra à profit la présence
sur Bouaké d’un aussi grand nombre d’animateurs OSM ouest africains pour
travailler 4 jours de rang sur un programme interne de renforcement de
capacités organisationnelles liées à l’animation du projet OSM en Afrique
de l’Ouest dans une perspective de volontariat ou d’économie sociale et
solidaire.

Nous communiquerons sur l’actualité de cette action de renforcement de
capacités sous-régionale sur les listes OSM, la section wiki du projet
OSMCI, les blogs et médias sociaux utilisés par le ProjetEOF, OSMCI et les
autres collectifs OSM d’Afrique de l’Ouest.

Excellente soirée à tous et toutes
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Rob Nickerson]

>On 24/09/2015 18:41, Phil Endecott wrote:
>> You could easily trace building outlines from this
>
>This looks excellent, but being inherently lazy, is there any software
>to convert what I assume are pixels outlines into vectors?
>
>It would save a *lot* of tracing. (Caveat: I'm not advocating  mass import)
>
>Dave F.
>

The New York public library's building inspector tool [1] has a solution
for converting raster outlines of buildings to vectors. It works pretty
well but for me the biggest drawback was that it detected the inside of
buildings up to the inside edge of the walls and as such it was leaving
gaps (the thickness of the wall) between terraced buildings.

I was hoping that the chap behind Strava's slide tool [2] could improve the
results (of the NYPL building inspector tool) by applying the "valley"
approach of his algorithm to the blackness of the pixels on the raster map.
He had a go one weekend but to no success. I wonder whether this dataset
would be more suited (it seems to be perfectly suited to the "valley"
algorithm!!). It would require a starting point so some vectorisation
similar to the NYPL tool would still be needed. I wonder whether the right
approach would be to extract the data straight from the LIDAR data rather
than processing it to a raster image then doing edge detection on the
raster.

All the strava slide code is open if anyone wants to have a play [3].

Best regards,
Rob


[1] http://buildinginspector.nypl.org/
[2] http://labs.strava.com/slide/
[3] https://github.com/paulmach/slide
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Re: [Talk-it] TRAVIC - Transit Visualization Client

[asignori]

Ciao tutti, 

Ho cerca tutti su Internet il codice sorgente "trajserver", ma non ho
trovato! 
Qualcuno di voi ha ancora il codice sorgente disponibile? 
Il github originale è vuoto.. 

Grazie mille 
Adrien



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Re: [Talk-us] ok to create a new relation?

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:

> Together they seem to delineate the city of Chino Hills, CA, which is a
> small city and not the same as Chino, CA. And I am seeing no relation
> for Chino Hills.
>
> Am I right in thinking that it would be correct to create a relation to
> contain these two ways to define the city boundaries?
>

looks like the relation was broken/removed. Seems like the right thing is
to do like you suggest. Check the boundaries - Looks like Chino Hills has a
sliver of its boundary inside another county. That doesn't means its wrong,
just worth checking out.

Those other cities w/o relations - I don't believe they are needed if they
don't share borders with others.

Clifford


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Re: [Talk-it] Mapping party tematici a Ferrara

[Matteo Zaffonato]

 Ciao a tutti,
sono Matteo Zaffonato e faccio parte di AViLug (Alto Vicentino Linux User
Group). Stiamo cercando di organizzare anche noi una serie di mapping party
a Schio per migliorare i dati OSM della città. Mi interesserebbe
partecipare all'incontro sul secondo tema ma purtroppo domenica non posso
esserci per un impegno precedente. Avete in programma altri eventi?

Ciao, grazie
Matteo "Zaffo80" Zaffonato

Il 23/09/2015 22:18, Piergiorgio Cipriano ha scritto:

Ciao a tutte/i,
scrivo per segnalare un paio di eventi che forse interessano qualcuno in
lista.

Qualche settimana fa insieme ad alcuni amici ferraresi (Marica Landini,
Stefano Droghetti e Leonardo Delmonte) è nata l'idea di organizzare nei
prossimi mesi, nella nostra città , alcuni mapping party "tematici".

I primi due temi individuati sono:
- navigabilità fluviale
- edifici

Parto dal primo.
Fino al 30 ottobre, in collaborazione con il consorzio Wunderkammer [1],
abbiamo pensato di correggere e aggiungere informazioni in OSM relative
alla *navigabilità fluviale* (idrovia ferrarese).
In questa pagina wiki [2] stiamo lentamente descrivendo cosa intendiamo
fare.
In due parole: riportare su OSM informazioni dettagliate utili a chi "usa"
i fiumi ed i canali (es. altezza ponti, servizi, ...).
Queste informazioni esistono già e sono disponibili su atlanti e
pubblicazioni messi a disposizione dall'Associazione Fiumana e dal Canoa
club.
Per chi è interessato, appuntamento presso Wunderkammer (Via Darsena -Â
http://osm.org/go/xdVwBfkFb) *lunedì 28 alle
ore 17*Â per iniziare il lavoro.

Il secondo tema è quello degli *edifici*.
In questo momento gli edifici rappresentati in OSM su Ferrara ...
semplicemente non sono edifici [3] (chi si occupa di database topografici
li definirebbe "cassoni edilizi" [4]).
Ci piacerebbe arrivare ad avere in OSM una rappresentazione molto più
dettagliata e utile degli edifici ferraresi, con poligoni che raffigurino
correttamente gli edifici e soprattutto con tag relativi all'epoca di
costruzione, all'altezza, piani. Insomma, non tanto diverso da quanto
esiste già nei Paesi Bassi [5] (... ma là il catasto ha dati dettagliati
e soprattutto aperti!).
Per fare questo, sfrutteremo il lavoro del progetto Sunshine [6] con
l'obiettivo di proporre su OSM una sostituzione massiva degli attuali
"cassoni" con i dati raccolti in quel progetto da Università e Comune,
dati che a fine anno saranno pubblicati in CC-BY.

A tale proposito, invito tutti gli interessati a trovarsi nel Cortile del
Castello Estense il prossimo sabato, *26 settembre alle 10*, per una mezza
giornata di mapping tematico sugli edifici.

Con la speranza di ricevere qualche feedback e qualche critica costruttiva.

A presto


[1]Â https://www.facebook.com/consorziowunderkammer
[2]Â  
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ferrara
[3]Â  http://osm.org/go/xdVwG2JK8--
[4]Â

http://geoportale.regione.emilia-romagna.it/it/catalogo/dati-cartografici/cartografia-di-base/database-topografico-regionale/immobili/edificato/cassone-edilizio-dbtr2013-fab_gpg
[5]Â  http://osm.org/go/0Et3wjPN6
[6] http://www.sunshineproject.eu



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[Talk-de] Peilung

[Thorsten Alge]

Hallo Liste,

gibt es einen OSM basierten Dienst auf dem eich die Peilung von einem
Punkt zu einem anderen ablesen kann?

Gruß

Thorsten

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Convention de partage de données -OSM Madagascar

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

Le 24/09/2015 19:08, Violaine Doutreleau a écrit :

Bonjour à tous,

Un petit mail faisant suite à un mois de mission pour l'appui au
développement d'une communauté OSM à Madagascar de fin juillet à fin
août dernier.
On a fait un petit CR avec CartONG ici:
http://cartong.org/volunteers/blog/premier-retour-sur-la-mission-osm-madagascar
Vraiment __désolée, il y a eu un petit couak pour l'envoi de ce message,
il aurait du partir le mois dernier..._
_
J'ai pu rencontrer le responsable technique du FTM (équivalent de
l'IGN). Ils sont conscients de la richesse de la base de données OSM et
de l'aide qu'elle peut leur apporter. Ils veulent être de la partie et
prévoient de libérer les limites administratives de certains niveaux
administratifs (on s'arrêterait aux districts: 3è niveau après les
provinces et les régions). Ils m'ont transmis leur convention de partage
de données afin qu'on les aide à l'adapter à la licence OSM OdBL.
Comment faites-vous habituellement? J'ai un modèle si vous voulez
m'aider sur le sujet...

Deuxième question que l'on se pose c'est: qui signe la convention étant
donné qu'il n'existe pas encore d'association OSM Madagascar?


Le moyen le plus simple d'être compatible c'est de libérer les données 
sous ODbL (ou autre). Si leur but est vraiment de faire de l'OpenData il 
n'y a pas besoin de convention. Une convention est entre des 
signataires, de l'OpenData est une mise à disposition pour quiconque 
veux en faire quelque chose (en respectant la licence). Je sais bien que 
ce n'est pas facile à d'amener des institutions jusque là habituer à 
confiner leur données et à les diffuser sous conditions (et sous 
validation d'un service juridique dont le but est tout fermer).


Si jamais vous n'arrivez pas à vous passer d'une convention parce que ça 
les rassure, peut importe qui la signe, le but étant que tout monde, et 
à minima tout contributeur à OSM puisse s'en servir pour contribuer ou 
l'importer... ce qui au final finit par être du blanchiment de licence 
et de la rediffusion sous ODbl via OSM.


Bref, vous aviez une question je vous explique comment vous en passer...

Frédéric.



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[Talk-us] ok to create a new relation?

[Ray Kiddy]

I just wanted to check with the list on this. I think it makes sense to
do this, but I would like to know if I am wrong or if there are
concerns.

I am looking at 2 ways:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33075997

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/107712882

Together they seem to delineate the city of Chino Hills, CA, which is a
small city and not the same as Chino, CA. And I am seeing no relation
for Chino Hills.

Am I right in thinking that it would be correct to create a relation to
contain these two ways to define the city boundaries?

I am then thinking that I can remove these tags from the two ways and
put the union of the values (only one way has a "name:de", for example)
on the relation only:

admin_level, border_type, boundary, is_in, is_in:*, name, name:*,
place, and wikipedia

Yes?

I think I should leave all the tiger:* tags attached to the two ways.

Yes?

Any other suggestions?

Just FYI, these are the cities that I have found in California that do
not seem to have a relation that defines them and that seem to have
more than one way attached to the name of the city. I will probably be
looking at the others on this list later.

Chino Hills
Arcadia
Diamond Bar
Cypress
San Dimas
Seal Beach
La Palma
California City
San Marino
Sierra Madre

cheers - ray


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[Talk-it] R: Mapping party tematici a Ferrara

[pg]

Ciao Matteo,
in realtà l'appuntamento sugli edifici è per sabato 26 (ore 10, Cortile 
Castello Estense).
Credo che ne organizzeremo altri, e ti faremo sicuramente sapere.
A presto

pg

- Messaggio originale -
Da: "Matteo Zaffonato" 
Inviato: ‎24/‎09/‎2015 23:58
A: "openstreetmap list - italiano" ; "GFOSS.it" 

Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Mapping party tematici a Ferrara

Ciao a tutti,
sono Matteo Zaffonato e faccio parte di AViLug (Alto Vicentino Linux User 
Group). Stiamo cercando di organizzare anche noi una serie di mapping party 
a Schio per migliorare i dati OSM della città. Mi interesserebbe partecipare 
all'incontro sul secondo tema ma purtroppo domenica non posso esserci per un 
impegno precedente. Avete in programma altri eventi?


Ciao, grazie

Matteo "Zaffo80" Zaffonato


Il 23/09/2015 22:18, Piergiorgio Cipriano ha scritto:

Ciao a tutte/i,
scrivo per segnalare un paio di eventi che forse interessano qualcuno in lista.


Qualche settimana fa insieme ad alcuni amici ferraresi (Marica Landini, Stefano 
Droghetti e Leonardo Delmonte) è nata l'idea di organizzare nei prossimi mesi, 
nella nostra città , alcuni mapping party "tematici".



I primi due temi individuati sono:
- navigabilità fluviale
- edifici


Parto dal primo.
Fino al 30 ottobre, in collaborazione con il consorzio Wunderkammer [1], 
abbiamo pensato di correggere e aggiungere informazioni in OSM relative alla 
navigabilità fluviale (idrovia ferrarese).
In questa pagina wiki [2] stiamo lentamente descrivendo cosa intendiamo fare.
In due parole: riportare su OSM informazioni dettagliate utili a chi "usa" i 
fiumi ed i canali (es. altezza ponti, servizi, ...).
Queste informazioni esistono già e sono disponibili su atlanti e pubblicazioni 
messi a disposizione dall'Associazione Fiumana e dal Canoa club.
Per chi è interessato, appuntamento presso Wunderkammer (Via Darsena - 
http://osm.org/go/xdVwBfkFb) lunedì 28 alle ore 17 per iniziare il lavoro.


Il secondo tema è quello degli edifici.
In questo momento gli edifici rappresentati in OSM su Ferrara ... semplicemente 
non sono edifici [3] (chi si occupa di database topografici li definirebbe 
"cassoni edilizi" [4]).
Ci piacerebbe arrivare ad avere in OSM una rappresentazione molto più 
dettagliata e utile degli edifici ferraresi, con poligoni che raffigurino 
correttamente gli edifici e soprattutto con tag relativi all'epoca di 
costruzione, all'altezza, piani. Insomma, non tanto diverso da quanto esiste 
già nei Paesi Bassi [5] (... ma là il catasto ha dati dettagliati e 
soprattutto aperti!).
Per fare questo, sfrutteremo il lavoro del progetto Sunshine [6] con 
l'obiettivo di proporre su OSM una sostituzione massiva degli attuali "cassoni" 
con i dati raccolti in quel progetto da Università e Comune, dati che a fine 
anno saranno pubblicati in CC-BY.


A tale proposito, invito tutti gli interessati a trovarsi nel Cortile del 
Castello Estense il prossimo sabato, 26 settembre alle 10, per una mezza 
giornata di mapping tematico sugli edifici.


Con la speranza di ricevere qualche feedback e qualche critica costruttiva.


A presto




[1]Â https://www.facebook.com/consorziowunderkammer

[2]Â http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ferrara
[3]Â http://osm.org/go/xdVwG2JK8--
[4]Â 
http://geoportale.regione.emilia-romagna.it/it/catalogo/dati-cartografici/cartografia-di-base/database-topografico-regionale/immobili/edificato/cassone-edilizio-dbtr2013-fab_gpg
[5]Â http://osm.org/go/0Et3wjPN6
[6] http://www.sunshineproject.eu






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Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

[Ian Sergeant]

On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that say they
> are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.
>
> I have tagged these using
>
> opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days"
>
> I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page. Comments?
>


I don't think it fits well with "opening_hours".  It's more a conditional
access restriction.

I'd consider something like

restriction=total_fire_ban

or seek inspiration from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions

But if we're capturing the info that's good.  We can refine the tag later..

Ian.
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] When should ODbL apply to geocoding

[Stephan Knauss]

Frederik Ramm writes:


geocoding results seem like
a produced work to me. I believe that I am decorating other open data
with the results of a geocoder that contains sufficient art to make it
not derived, but produced.


Our usual definition of produced work doesn't look at how much art there
is, but whether something is a database.


If a printed map is a database (refer to Landgericht München I, 21 O  
14294/00) and we treat it as a produced work, why can't another database  
not be a produced work as well? For example a database used for routing or  
a database used for (reverse)geocoding.


ODBL defines it as:
“Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or  
sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the  
Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative  
Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database.


It gives examples of works, but IMHO does not limit it to such.
So if you produce a database by using the whole or a substantial part of  
the contents then you have a produced work.


If you copy extensive listings of job offers from a newspaper you did not  
violate database rights (München 6 U 2812/00). If you copy the music charts  
listing, you did (München 29 U 4008/02).


The nuances of when something is a database and when not is much different  
in a legal sense than what the typical technician would assume.


I'm out from this legal discussion. And I recommend all not having any  
degree of legals and experience with database right also not to participate  
in this discussion any more. It's all opinions. But for legal discussions  
opinions don't count much (maybe unless you are the judge).



Stephan

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[OSM-talk-fr] Convention de partage de données -OSM Madagascar

[Violaine Doutreleau]

Bonjour à tous,

Un petit mail faisant suite à un mois de mission pour l'appui au 
développement d'une communauté OSM à Madagascar de fin juillet à fin 
août dernier.
On a fait un petit CR avec CartONG ici: 
http://cartong.org/volunteers/blog/premier-retour-sur-la-mission-osm-madagascar
Vraiment __désolée, il y a eu un petit couak pour l'envoi de ce message, 
il aurait du partir le mois dernier..._

_
J'ai pu rencontrer le responsable technique du FTM (équivalent de 
l'IGN). Ils sont conscients de la richesse de la base de données OSM et 
de l'aide qu'elle peut leur apporter. Ils veulent être de la partie et 
prévoient de libérer les limites administratives de certains niveaux 
administratifs (on s'arrêterait aux districts: 3è niveau après les 
provinces et les régions). Ils m'ont transmis leur convention de partage 
de données afin qu'on les aide à l'adapter à la licence OSM OdBL. 
Comment faites-vous habituellement? J'ai un modèle si vous voulez 
m'aider sur le sujet...


Deuxième question que l'on se pose c'est: qui signe la convention étant 
donné qu'il n'existe pas encore d'association OSM Madagascar?


En espérant trouver réponse à nos questions,

OSMent votre!
A bientôt
Violaine
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham New Street station re-opens

[SK53]

One strategy is to try & map shops at one level as areas; and map shops in
remaining areas as nodes; the nodes can be slightly offset so that all are
visible. It's a bit of a kludge, but providing the tagging is sensible
about using layer & building:level etc, it's not tagging for the renderer,
merely choosing a particular convention for mapping.

Jerry

On 24 September 2015 at 16:52, Derick Rethans  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Richard Mann wrote:
>
> > Had a look round. The main upper-level (ie Grand Central) footways are
> > mercifully fairly simple, but of course the proliferation of shops on
> > multiple levels is going to be very hard to display.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to focus conventional tagging on the main street /
> > concourse level, with a minimalist approach to the other layers/levels.
> I'm
> > thinking maybe do the layer 1 footways as highway=footway+bridge=yes, and
> > the layer 1 shops as level1:shop=xxx+level1:name=yyy.
>
> I've previously just done for shops, layer=1;shop=whatever;name=foo and
> draw (where possible) the different shop outlines:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.54312/-0.00574 And for the
> footways and pedestrian areas, just footway=yes;layer=1
>
> It doesn't render well, but the data is there.
>
> cheers,
> Derick
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[talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

[Warin]

Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that say they 
are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.


I have tagged these using

opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days"

I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page. Comments?

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Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

[Warin]

On 25/09/2015 10:06 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that
say they are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.

I have tagged these using

opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days"

I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page. Comments?



I don't think it fits well with "opening_hours".  It's more a 
conditional access restriction.


I'd consider something like

restriction=total_fire_ban

or seek inspiration from 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions


But if we're capturing the info that's good.  We can refine the tag 
later..


Ian.


Hummm ... access:conditional=not_total_fire_ban ?Rather OZ specific?

-
Yes .. I did think of access .. and raised both as suggestions on the 
tagging mailing list.

The sole reply favoured opening_hours.

Both would/should 'work'.

However opening_hours is far simpler to enter. Maybe that is because I 
have more knowledge of it... !


More thoughts?

There is also a seasonal restriction of the use of fire in some parts of 
SA .. October to March IIRC and applied to a general area not just 
National Parks.
I don't see a suitable tag for that .. access open but no fire use 
allowed. One can tag the fire places with opening_hours... but that does 
not indicate to people not the start a camp fire elsewhere.




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Re: [OSM-ja] 静岡市オープンデータの航空写真

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

固定資産税用の写真、解像度も高く、非常に素晴らしいですね。
毎年更新という新鮮さもあり、ぜひ利用したいデータです。

さて、Wikiページの内容のタグ付与ですが、
1点だけ、オブジェクトへのタグが必須になっているのが気になりました。
地理院地図などと同様、

・オブジェクト、あるいは変更セットにタグを付与する、

という運用がよいのではないかと思うのですが、どうでしょう？
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:GSImaps


あとは、内容がある程度決まったら、Potential Data sourceのページから
リンクを貼っておくとよいかも、と思いました。
文面など、お手伝いできると思いますので、個別にでも相談ください。
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Japan





2015年9月24日 6:53 下り専門 :

> おはようございます。下り専門です。
>
> 静岡市のオープンデータに航空写真がありますたので、
> トレースできるようにしました。
>
> Wikiページのレビューお願いします。
> sourceタグは室蘭市のものを参考にしました。
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shizuoka_ortho
>
>  Bing衛星写真は世界遺産三保の松原の周辺に雲がかかって
> トレースできないエリアがありましたが、
> このデータは固定資産税用だけあって鮮明です。
>
> タイル化については瀬戸さんにアドバイスいただきました。
> ありがとうございました。
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] useless survey?

[malenki]

Andy Townsend schrieb
am Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:54:38 +0100:

> First of all - thank you for "properly mapping" this bit of the
> country.

You are welcome. But it isn't much fun when I have to look repeatedly
after "my" data to verify it hasn't vanished.
I can think of better ways spending my time.

> It's a shame that you've met resistance doing this.  With regard to
> the two sides to the argument, I'd tend to believe the person that
> writes changeset comments over the person that doesn't :)
> […]
> PS:  If you come back at any stage may I suggest mid-Wales?  Quite a
> lot there is still as it came from NPE: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/bta

Regarding the response to my attempts to communicate and the mapping
"cooperation" in these regions I am neither inclined to do much
regarding mapping after contributing the already collected
data nor to use OSM data now knowing who maps there how. Even
falsifying ways seems superfluous.

Not least there is to mention the weather. Although there were only
about two wet weeks¹ from about four and the countryside is quite
beautiful when one is able to see it² I prefer places with less
humidity and more sun.³ :)

Regards
Thomas

¹
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Av1qw1T8qBoGW7PQbaqn4A/photo
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/2_v7V7WN0563HJMEHRyJaw/photo
²
http://malenki.ch/OSM/Bilder/mapillary/dscRX035751-58_mapillary_pano7.jpg
³
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/a8ZuUvALFc3ZwgRKhMd-XQ/photo



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Convention de partage de données -OSM Madagascar

[Philippe Verdy]

La convention n'est pas inutile quand il s'agit de mettre d'accord les
intervenants sur la licence à utiliser (OdBL n'est pas la seule licence
compatible OSM)
En revanche elle est utile dans le cas de la mise à disposition de moyens
et le partage des responsabilités et de mise à disposition de personnels
(pour le travail ou pour les comptes rendus, mais aussi sur le temps de
travail consacré, ou encore sur la fourniture de moyens matériels :
ordinateurs, portables, GPS, abonnements internet et mobile, support
technique; véhicules; carburants, assurances et fournitures diverses,
maintenance, frais d'hébergements, etc. (il faut bien savoir qui finance
quoi et ce qu'on peut aussi demander et justifier auprès de la communauté à
qui on va demander des moyens ou subventions, et permet aussi de définir
des calendriers et les lieux de rendez-vous physiques ou en ligne);
s'entendre sur le nom du projet partagé, et sa communication (qui signe
quoi et quand, et qui prend en charge la communication ou sert de point de
contact), et prévoir comment gérer les besoins futurs ou comment réutiliser
les surplus, si une partie doit être laissée ensuite à disposition sur
place ou revendu pour un prix modique pour une usage libre en fin de projet
Au delà de ces données il y a aussi sans doute des besoins d'applications
spécifiques ou de développements locaux aui peuvent aussi s'intégrer à des
solutions de données sortant du seule cadre d'OSM (construction de SIG
locaux avec des données restant privées; sécurisation des passerelles
d'échange de données pour protéger les données privées sans bloquer les
données partagées)
Toutes les données qu'on a en France ou ailleurs ne sont peut-être pas
librement échangeables selon la législation ou régulation locale, le
périmètre doit être défini pour savoir aussi où il faudra des travaux ou
négociations pour l'étendre. Certaines décisions sont politiques et dans
cette région mouvante politiquement il faut aussi protéger les auteurs qui
se lancent dans ce projet pour qu'ils n'aient pas ensuite de difficultés
personnelles; ni voir les matériels saisis ou pire des personnes
emprisonnées ou pire. il faudra des actions de sensibilisation de la
population et des responsables politiques pour assurer un bon niveau de
transparence et de compréhension des objectifs; et chercher des appuis
divers
Bref cela va bien au delà des seules données produites. Cette convention
est un document qui pourra être exposé, contre-signé, expliqué aux diverses
communautés qui auront leurs propres besoins et vues sur le projet qui ne
doit pas être une nouvelle cause de division ou discrimination ou
d'oppositions qui pourraient bloquer les premières initiatives.

Le 24 septembre 2015 23:15, Frédéric Rodrigo  a
écrit :

> Le 24/09/2015 19:08, Violaine Doutreleau a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Un petit mail faisant suite à un mois de mission pour l'appui au
>> développement d'une communauté OSM à Madagascar de fin juillet à fin
>> août dernier.
>> On a fait un petit CR avec CartONG ici:
>>
>> http://cartong.org/volunteers/blog/premier-retour-sur-la-mission-osm-madagascar
>> Vraiment __désolée, il y a eu un petit couak pour l'envoi de ce message,
>> il aurait du partir le mois dernier..._
>> _
>> J'ai pu rencontrer le responsable technique du FTM (équivalent de
>> l'IGN). Ils sont conscients de la richesse de la base de données OSM et
>> de l'aide qu'elle peut leur apporter. Ils veulent être de la partie et
>> prévoient de libérer les limites administratives de certains niveaux
>> administratifs (on s'arrêterait aux districts: 3è niveau après les
>> provinces et les régions). Ils m'ont transmis leur convention de partage
>> de données afin qu'on les aide à l'adapter à la licence OSM OdBL.
>> Comment faites-vous habituellement? J'ai un modèle si vous voulez
>> m'aider sur le sujet...
>>
>> Deuxième question que l'on se pose c'est: qui signe la convention étant
>> donné qu'il n'existe pas encore d'association OSM Madagascar?
>>
>
> Le moyen le plus simple d'être compatible c'est de libérer les données
> sous ODbL (ou autre). Si leur but est vraiment de faire de l'OpenData il
> n'y a pas besoin de convention. Une convention est entre des signataires,
> de l'OpenData est une mise à disposition pour quiconque veux en faire
> quelque chose (en respectant la licence). Je sais bien que ce n'est pas
> facile à d'amener des institutions jusque là habituer à confiner leur
> données et à les diffuser sous conditions (et sous validation d'un service
> juridique dont le but est tout fermer).
>
> Si jamais vous n'arrivez pas à vous passer d'une convention parce que ça
> les rassure, peut importe qui la signe, le but étant que tout monde, et à
> minima tout contributeur à OSM puisse s'en servir pour contribuer ou
> l'importer... ce qui au final finit par être du blanchiment de licence et
> de la rediffusion sous ODbl via OSM.
>
> Bref, vous aviez une question je vous explique comment vous en passer...
>

Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

[Nathanael Coyne]

I'm not fond of the key value there, it's too likely to be entered wrong,
introduce discrepancies if used elsewhere. I'd prefer an abbreviated value
and leave the translation up to the client.

It is however very clear.

Nathanael Coyne (Boehm)

www.purecaffeine.com

Canberra, Australia

On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that say they
> are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.
>
> I have tagged these using
>
> opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days"
>
> I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page. Comments?
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Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

[Warin]

Nathanael,
There are no other codes/abbreviations available under opening_hours. 
The provision of the free text mode was I believe just for such 
occasions - including "By Appointment".
While errors will occur they should be easy to check and correct. Even 
codes will contain the occasional error.


Speaking of errors ...
While making my changes to the Australian page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines


I note the follow things ...

There was the suggestion that the entire sports ground area should be 
tagged with leisure=pitch .. but the OSM wiki page on that says it is 
for the playing area ONLY. I have corrected this.


There is also the suggestion that the name= tag be used to signify the 
sport played .. if the name is not known. Again this goes against 
general OSM practice.
As the sport played should be signified by the sport= tag .. and the 
name tag should only be used for the name. I have left this for the moment.



 On 25/09/2015 9:57 AM, Nathanael Coyne wrote:
I'm not fond of the key value there, it's too likely to be entered 
wrong, introduce discrepancies if used elsewhere. I'd prefer an 
abbreviated value and leave the translation up to the client.


It is however very clear.

Nathanael Coyne(Boehm)

www.purecaffeine.com 

Canberra, Australia


On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that
say they are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days.

I have tagged these using

opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days"

I think I'll add that to the Australian wiki page. Comments?

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