Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( -James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:16:10 James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( -James I miss the zoom slider, and I also agree that permalink should remain on top, accessible with one click. Also, my proposal for including a markerlink has not been taken up. I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. And there's no attribution. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Le 20/07/2013 01:07, Dave F. a écrit : Hi Does anybody use the +/- zoom controls? I thought it was all mouse wheels/pad gestures finger gestures to zoom in out. Are they needed any more? Dave F. Oh, yes, they are. I use them to see the wide region around a spot, e.g. find the big city near it, without changing the setting of the map, without loosing the spot. Just click several + and -. -- FrViPofm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Upgraded-map-controls-tp5770491p5770533.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
I miss the white lines on blurry Landsat background. So simple and elegant. Can someone set that up and make it an option in the layer switcher? ;) * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls Andrew Errington wrote: Also, my proposal for including a markerlink has not been taken up. Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day. I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. Hey Andrew, I noticed you did some edits to the map the other day. That's fine, but you didn't give everyone a chance to comment on them before doing them. I think some of the tagging you used could have been improved, and your geometry is a bit off. Also, that road was arguably a highway=track, surface=asphalt, but you tagged it as highway=service. Please make sure to carry out full consultation before doing any edits. You just did them as a fait accompli and I think that's wrong. ...Exactly. These things are discussed, and discussed openly. It's just that the forum for discussion is not the bearpit that is talk@ (with good reason); that, pretty obviously, we don't wait to get the approval of every single OSM user before deploying; that we sometimes deploy in-progress work rather than waiting for every little detail to be fixed; and that we sometimes make changes that some people will never like. Because otherwise, the site would never change at all, and we'd still be on the Java applet (pre-Potlatch 1) with some barely legible white lines on a blurry Landsat background. At the same time as you're posting sceptically on this list, SteveC is moaning on Twitter about it being too little, too late (bit odd that a founding father spends so much time publicly slagging off his project, but there you go, everyone loves him for it). You simply can't keep everyone happy. OSM works because we trust that talented people will do amazing things. OSM trusts you, as a talented mapper, to make good edits in your area. OSM trusts the talented developers and sysadmins to do good things with the site and the hardware. Some things will happen which are not 100% to your liking. Learn to deal with it. Because the alternative is that, every time you make an edit, Andrew, you get 30 complaining mails saying well I'd have done it differently, you should have asked me first. The effect is that you give up editing. Believe me: I have some pretty obvious first-hand experience of this. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Upgraded-map-controls-tp5770491p5770535.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. And there's no attribution. Can we finally put this to rest? I assume you mean there's no text in the bottom right hand corner stating (C) OpenStreetMap, because there definitely is attribution. There's a great big OpenStreetMap text and logo on the front page, and a Copyright License link prominently in the menu. On osm.org we're not only required to attribute on the front page, but virtually every other page as well has OSM data, often not on a map. For example, there's more than just the map on http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/250379363/history. Most websites will be using OSM data for a map in a viewbox. If that's all you're doing with OSM data then attributing in the corner of the viewport makes sense. OSM.org does a lot more with OSM data then that, and attributes in a way that makes sense for how it uses it. In any case, it's largely unrelated to the layer switcher. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
+1 for use of the word muggle On Jul 20, 2013 1:47 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote: Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I feel the same issues. But at the same time I think it unwise to try and play catch-me-if-you-can with Google. There are many tasks where OSM is better than Google Maps. I use OSM gladly for things like: * Natural area trail maps or tracking. * Non-commercial POIs (e.g. toilets, drinking water, viewpoints, tourist oddities, fun stuff) * Detailed maps in pedestrian zones. * Printing * Mapping fun. To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into mappers. It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used: and it's working. Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in theory be interested. What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become mappers. OSM could offer high quality print exports, or one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services. But someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order to glean a few more true believer mappers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( I agree to that. What's more: the map moves to the right when the sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map than you were looking at. It is not an improvement. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. It does not do here. When I open the map it says http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
the map moves to the right when the sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map than you were looking at. It is not an improvement. Sounds more like a simple bug report, and something simple to fix, than a reason for a flat condemnation. Perspective! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( I agree to that. What's more: the map moves to the right when the sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map than you were looking at. It is not an improvement. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote: From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test Which list? site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please? I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than talk. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On Sábado, 20 de julio de 2013 10:55:58 Mikel Maron escribió: I miss the white lines on blurry Landsat background. So simple and elegant. Can someone set that up and make it an option in the layer switcher? ;) Those were the times :-D -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:39:18 Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andrew Errington wrote: Also, my proposal for including a markerlink has not been taken up. Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day. I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. Hey Andrew, I noticed you did some edits to the map the other day. That's fine, but you didn't give everyone a chance to comment on them before doing them. I think some of the tagging you used could have been improved, and your geometry is a bit off. Also, that road was arguably a highway=track, surface=asphalt, but you tagged it as highway=service. Please make sure to carry out full consultation before doing any edits. You just did them as a fait accompli and I think that's wrong. ...Exactly. Not entirely. I do get your point, but if you are not happy with my work then feel free to correct it. It is a do-ocracy after all. Except for some things. If it really was a do-ocracy I'd turn on the zoom slider and implement a markerlink. These things are discussed, and discussed openly. It's just that the forum for discussion is not the bearpit that is talk@ (with good reason); that, pretty obviously, we don't wait to get the approval of every single OSM user before deploying; that we sometimes deploy in-progress work rather than waiting for every little detail to be fixed; and that we sometimes make changes that some people will never like. We could at least have had an announcement. Because otherwise, the site would never change at all, and we'd still be on the Java applet (pre-Potlatch 1) with some barely legible white lines on a blurry Landsat background. At the same time as you're posting sceptically on this list, SteveC is moaning on Twitter about it being too little, too late (bit odd that a founding father spends so much time publicly slagging off his project, but there you go, everyone loves him for it). You simply can't keep everyone happy. OSM works because we trust that talented people will do amazing things. OSM trusts you, as a talented mapper, to make good edits in your area. OSM trusts the talented developers and sysadmins to do good things with the site and the hardware. Some things will happen which are not 100% to your liking. Learn to deal with it. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with how OSM is progressing, and I realise that such a large project must necessarily move with fits and starts, but I reserve the right to state my opinion, positively or negatively. Because the alternative is that, every time you make an edit, Andrew, you get 30 complaining mails saying well I'd have done it differently, you should have asked me first. The effect is that you give up editing. Believe me: I have some pretty obvious first-hand experience of this. I'd be very happy if someone who knows better would come along and tell me the best way to do it. Until then I'll continue as best I can. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:25:27 Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. That's very cool. I did not know that. I probably missed it in the other three places you mentioned it too, so I added it to the Wiki in case others missed it as well. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
-1 for use of the word muggle, I prefer 'potential community members'. For instance, as a JOSM user I don't need Potlatch or Id. And they do use up bandwidth and user support. I'm very happy though to be part of a community that has a rich culture of users/developers/mappers with a different perspective than I have, and thus created these editors for less experienced mappers. 2013/7/20 Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com +1 for use of the word muggle On Jul 20, 2013 1:47 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote: Hello, I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap. But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues? I feel the same issues. But at the same time I think it unwise to try and play catch-me-if-you-can with Google. There are many tasks where OSM is better than Google Maps. I use OSM gladly for things like: * Natural area trail maps or tracking. * Non-commercial POIs (e.g. toilets, drinking water, viewpoints, tourist oddities, fun stuff) * Detailed maps in pedestrian zones. * Printing * Mapping fun. To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into mappers. It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used: and it's working. Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in theory be interested. What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become mappers. OSM could offer high quality print exports, or one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services. But someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order to glean a few more true believer mappers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Am 20.07.2013 01:38, schrieb Dave F.: On 20/07/2013 00:22, Toby Murray wrote: You aren't in the #osm IRC channel, are you :) No. I can't stand the cliquey, unilateral time zone defined exclusion of that. I prefer to discuss with *all* in *all* timezones. A while back a decision was made to change something in OSM (apologies, I fail to remember what) It turned out it was decided upon in a couple of hours by a select few in the European time zone. A poor way to conduct business. Turns out, yes... they are still used. It was actually interesting to watch a coworker who doesn't know much about online maps interacting with osm.org http://osm.org. This was a month or so ago. They actually used the pan controls instead of dragging the map. I was kind of amazed :) Right, but it doesn't *have* to be used. In this instance it was lack of knowledge. If the controls weren't there they'd find out the better way to do it. Or they would fail to use the feature. Please think about notebook touchpad users when they don't have a mouse currently nor a touchscreen, too - there you NEED these controls. (For me that's sometimes the case, not at my own desk of course) Regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. It does not do here. When I open the map it says http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink. I had to search for what Richard meant with View Tab, in German it's Karte (Map), but there he's right: clicking on it is in fact the same as the previous Permanent-Link in the bottom. Nevertheless one has to know it is or to know what the permanent link should look like. In general I hope the Share-Box is far from final yet with respect on it's content, as even there one has to KNOW that the link behind Long Link and short link is the one to copy; especially as they behave differently on click: Following Long Link allows me to copy the link from the address bar, Following Short Link does not allow to copy the SHORT link from there, as it's directly forwarded to the long link there. In both cases a box might be better showing the link on the page itself. But hey - except of the missing zoom-level indication I think it's definitively a step in the right direction, so thanks to all involved, and I'm happy to see more and more cool stuff on the osm page in the future ;) regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 2013-07-20 13:35, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of those reading here: The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there. It does not do here. When I open the map it says http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar. I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript these days). Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink. I had to search for what Richard meant with View Tab, in German it's Karte (Map), but there he's right: clicking on it is in fact the same as the previous Permanent-Link in the bottom. Nevertheless one has to know it is or to know what the permanent link should look like. Ah yes, I see that now too. I never saw that feature before. That is quite handy, even though, as you say, you have to know it is there. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote: From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test Which list? All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@ list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site) development If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates. site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please? I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than talk. http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to Andrew Errington) Also of note is two posts later a link to https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/98601/778982/12bfaae4-e9c1-11e2-8afa-826d2 5c371cb.png which outlines additional UI changes that are already under development that deal with Andrew's complaints ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 2013-07-20 12:33, Paul Norman wrote: From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote: From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A test Which list? All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@ list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site) development If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates. site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment. Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of samen's presentation. I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please? I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than talk. http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to Andrew Errington) Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't find them insteresting anymore... Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Andrew Errington wrote: On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:16:10 James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me.:( -James I miss the zoom slider, and I also agree that permalink should remain on top, accessible with one click. Also, my proposal for including a markerlink has not been taken up. The links have always had a few ways of picking them up and trying to interpret scale from the scale bar is not as intuitive as the zoom bar. But my problem is using the map now on my Galaxy4 phone. I use landscape and only the top 4 buttons are accessible. But then a lot of applications seem to ignore the problem of smaller rotatable displays :( Sliding the map around conflicts with zooming the screen to SEE the controls! FORTUNATELY I have my own copy of the older style viewer still running so if people want access contact me off list ;) I'm targeting the UK so including a few more layers I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another fait accompli. I seem to have missed that this was even being discussed so you are not alone! And there's no attribution. It would be nice since the other tile layers have attribution that the osm sourced tiles had a similar tag if only to educate users! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into mappers. It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used: and it's working. Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in theory be interested. What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become mappers. OSM could offer high quality print exports, or one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services. But someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order to glean a few more true believer mappers. I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not used Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the right direction. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
I've not followed this thread too closely, but arguably OSM is meant to be made not used. Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis; that's what MapQuest Open, MapBox et al are for. Using OSM on a daily basis would be like trying to read a dictionary as your only book: all the words are there, but the story is rubbish. /Devil's Advocate On 20 Jul 2013 16:16, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into mappers. It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used: and it's working. Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in theory be interested. What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become mappers. OSM could offer high quality print exports, or one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services. But someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order to glean a few more true believer mappers. I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not used Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the right direction. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis Oops, than I'm nobody. I use OSM data and one of the reference views of this data (Mapnik on osm.org) on a daily basis. That makes me a heavy user. And contributor, because the use of OSM data (mkgmap, thanks to the developers of this nice program and Geofabrik for their extracts) gives me feedback on routing errors. The map on osm.org is very handy to see the gaps in the data, like the routing errors I run in to, missing roads or POI's. By using JOSM, which uses a view of a certain area, I'm enabled to contribute, that is updating the records in the database, as in this Wikipedia article: :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_entry_clerk (though I'm not so pretty as the woman on the photo) 2013/7/20 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com I've not followed this thread too closely, but arguably OSM is meant to be made not used. Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis; that's what MapQuest Open, MapBox et al are for. Using OSM on a daily basis would be like trying to read a dictionary as your only book: all the words are there, but the story is rubbish. /Devil's Advocate On 20 Jul 2013 16:16, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote: To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into mappers. It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used: and it's working. Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in theory be interested. What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become mappers. OSM could offer high quality print exports, or one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services. But someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order to glean a few more true believer mappers. I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not used Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the right direction. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
Hi All, As noted the map controls have recently changed on the main osm.org page. On the talk@ mailing list there was a few comments stating that it would have been nice to have been asked/consulted first. The changes were in fact announced and stem from Saman's SOTM US talk (slides [1], video [2]). This map controls update was one small part of Saman's suggested changes to OSM.org and was visible as a Pull Request [3] and discussed on rails-dev@ [4]. I advise that you look at Saman's SOTM US slides and video for an sneak peak of possible future changes (note that I do not know which features are still being developed). There will also be an update to the proposed changes during SOTM 2013 [5] (September, Birmingham UK) of which videos will be made available if you are unable to attend. Personally, I'm loving the work Saman (and team) is doing - there are some really nice ideas shown in his slides. Regards, Rob PLEASE, do NOT flood our developers with negative comments. They put a lot of hard work into OSM.org (and associated services) and the simple fact is that you will not always please everyone. If you have genuine comments of feedback I suggest that you take time to collate and consider your ideas before posting. Finally, a few other things to note: * With over 1 million registered users it is impossible to please everyone. Please put things into perspective before replying with negative comments. Also consideration of the amount of development time is always appreciated. * OSM has numerous communication channels (too many maybe). Where would you stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community. Furthermore as the OSM Foundation did not ask for permission to send email to registered users they cannot therefore push notifications to all users (rather users will need to read the communication channels that interest them). [1] http://samanpwbb.github.io/osm-redesign/new-osm-slides.html#0 [2] http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68093877 [3] https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/328 [4] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rails-dev/2013-July/002639.html [5] http://2013.stateofthemap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
I should add that this change lays the foundations for making new feature available. For example a URL link including marker (the mlat and mlon stuff). This can be seen here: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/328#issuecomment-21197529 Best, Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: Personally, I'm loving the work Saman (and team) is doing - there are some really nice ideas shown in his slides. I agree it looks elegant. I can't wait to see him implement the rest of his proposals. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
Where would you stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community. http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ would be the perfect news channel. It allows passive and active participation without the need of registering or installing specific software. You can point anyone at it and they see a normal website. You can add it to your feed reader or bookmarks and follow anything important going on. It would just need to be linked to on the homepage. As a user it is impossible to follow all the channels. If you decide to follow everything you get overwhelmed by a lot of technical jargon you don't understand, noise that you as dumb user don't need to understand (bug reports/discussion for example) and lots of pointless bikeshedding. And if you were still receptive, then you might still not know what ends up being implemented. Asking not to flood developers with negative comments (or any kind really) is orthogonal with suggesting everyone to directly follow development on github and -dev mailinglists! I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit. Apart from the missing zoom bar and the non-descript icons I really like the redesign so please don't get me wrong! But I have no idea where, when and by whom it was decided to build/use it. Granted, I have not watched the video from SOTMUS yet, maybe it is mentioned in it. Maybe I overread it in the slides (with their obnoxiously huge text, anti-readable on a monitor). Maybe it was suggested and planned a long time ago and I just forgot about it. The blog seems like the perfect place to be the main communication channel to the community for those in charge. Cheers, Hannes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
Hi there, I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit. There are no executive teams. This push was John, Saman, and myself. Nobody appointed us, we just did it. Tom Hughes (TomH) pushes the merge button and makes sure nothing blows up when he does, apart from the community. Previous changes have looked the same: a few people work on a patch, the community discusses it, and if there's some modicum of agreement it goes forward via the people-who-touch-the-server-directly, which in the case of the website, is TomH. Cheers, Tom, author of the presentation system that does the obnoxiously huge anti-readable text On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Johannes Kröger johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote: Where would you stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community. http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ would be the perfect news channel. It allows passive and active participation without the need of registering or installing specific software. You can point anyone at it and they see a normal website. You can add it to your feed reader or bookmarks and follow anything important going on. It would just need to be linked to on the homepage. As a user it is impossible to follow all the channels. If you decide to follow everything you get overwhelmed by a lot of technical jargon you don't understand, noise that you as dumb user don't need to understand (bug reports/discussion for example) and lots of pointless bikeshedding. And if you were still receptive, then you might still not know what ends up being implemented. Asking not to flood developers with negative comments (or any kind really) is orthogonal with suggesting everyone to directly follow development on github and -dev mailinglists! I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit. Apart from the missing zoom bar and the non-descript icons I really like the redesign so please don't get me wrong! But I have no idea where, when and by whom it was decided to build/use it. Granted, I have not watched the video from SOTMUS yet, maybe it is mentioned in it. Maybe I overread it in the slides (with their obnoxiously huge text, anti-readable on a monitor). Maybe it was suggested and planned a long time ago and I just forgot about it. The blog seems like the perfect place to be the main communication channel to the community for those in charge. Cheers, Hannes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org schrieb: Cheers, Tom, author of the presentation system that does the obnoxiously huge anti-readable text That was some silly and unrelated passive aggressive nonsense, sorry. I was trying to read through the presentation on my desktop and gave up. Didn't mean to bash the style universally, it looks fun for actually presenting on a big screen (where obnoxiously huge means well readable from anywhere). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Hi James, That issue has been reported and is being worked on: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/356 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote: Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list Which list? All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@ list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site) development If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates. Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf. How about posting it to a real world, end user forum that speaks in English? And also not to an instant chat one that only certain people, in certain time zones, can see. I really think some developers are living in their own world. Dave F. __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page
1) The map controls change was publicised on the blog on the 19th (at the time of the change): http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/ 2) The Communications Working Group is currently looking for help - why not join them: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-July/002185.html 3) There is a list of Admins. Although don't forget though that OSM has no Executive Team or paid employees. If you want something changing then code it yourself and put a pull request in to the Admins. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admins 4) And I disagree with you. It is possible to follow the dev channels and not flood the developers with comments. You simply have to pick your fights. If something is only a small issue for you, or you can understand the greater benefit to others, then let it be. If however you spot a significant and major issues then by all means please alert the developers to this in a constructive manner (suggesting fixes, or better still providing code). Rob p.s. I do generally agree that Comms is a weakness with OSM. I can spend way too long reading the mailing lists + blogs + etc.. :-( ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Good to know that. Hope it can be fixed soon as I don't like having to add a second comment to the note, just to subscribe myself to it for e-mail updates. (At least the follow-up comment part is still working when you're logged in.) Anyways, I had already submitted a ticket on Trac before your e-mail arrived. I bet TomH will probably mark it as a duplicate very soon. lol. -James From: t...@macwright.org Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:09:27 -0400 To: dave...@madasafish.com CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls Hi James, That issue has been reported and is being worked on: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/356 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote: Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list Which list? All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@ list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site) development If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates. Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf. How about posting it to a real world, end user forum that speaks in English? And also not to an instant chat one that only certain people, in certain time zones, can see. I really think some developers are living in their own world. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to Andrew Errington) Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't find them insteresting anymore... My original reply was to Andrew complaint's. I think it's entirely reasonable to expect someone to read messages sent directly to them in reply to an earlier message by them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet? http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/ Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link? I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who has the time patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example of why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their own programs. Again #real_world. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Hi Dave, Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions. Thanks, Tom On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet? http://blog.openstreetmap.org/**2013/07/19/new-map-control/http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/ Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link? I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who has the time patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example of why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their own programs. Again #real_world. Dave F. __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
I just watched all 30 minutes of the video. I am a professional software engineer, the designer seemed extremely competent. Because of the presentation, I trust that the people working on his know what they are doing and I am very excited to see what comes next. Please lets give them some space to work. This is just the first step On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote: James Mast wrote: I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work for me. :( Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet? http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/ Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link? I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who has the time patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example of why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their own programs. Again #real_world. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
Hello Tom I reject mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason for his lecture was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled to point out his failings. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism. Strange. Dave F. On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote: Hi Dave, Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions. Thanks, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. Dave, As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism. However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the ones you have made. Constructive feedback is a vital part of progress, but please be more considerate of your fellow community members who are working hard to make OpenStreetMap.org a more useful tool for everyone when you disparage not just their work, but them personally. In addition, if you are going to take this route, please be sure to focus your responses on ideas and products put forth, and do not make character attacks. Having watched a video of a presentation does not entitle you or anyone to point out a person's failings. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hello Tom I reject mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason for his lecture was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled to point out his failings. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/**ad-hominemhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism. Strange. Dave F. On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote: Hi Dave, Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions. Thanks, Tom __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
My reply is going private as it's now OT. On 21/07/2013 02:17, Kathleen Danielson wrote: My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. Dave, As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism. However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the ones you have made. Constructive feedback is a vital part of progress, but please be more considerate of your fellow community members who are working hard to make OpenStreetMap.org a more useful tool for everyone when you disparage not just their work, but them personally. In addition, if you are going to take this route, please be sure to focus your responses on ideas and products put forth, and do not make character attacks. Having watched a video of a presentation does not entitle you or anyone to point out a person's failings. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hello Tom I reject mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason for his lecture was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled to point out his failings. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism. Strange. Dave F. On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote: Hi Dave, Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions. Thanks, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] JOSM plugin for notes
This last week Ian Dees and myself have been working on getting a JOSM plugin for the new notes feature up and running. We started off by copying the OpenStreetBugs plugin but ended up redoing a lot of the internals. The user interface is still fairly similar though. It is still a little rough around the edges but basic functionality is there. Now that some changes in JOSM core are available in the latest dev build, I think we are ready for a few more beta testers! Please be sure to read the JOSM versions and authentication section on the wiki page if you are using OAuth. Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Notes Code: https://github.com/iandees/josm-notes It can be run alongside the OSB plugin if desired. Enjoy, Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Disconnected ways, almost connected nodes and crossing ways - user goldfishxyz
If a new user is repeating errors, after your friendly contact, consider passing the information along to the data working group. They, as ad mins, can block an account until they read a message. But, yes, the approach of contacting them first, with friendly correction, is the way to go. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central
Pelo que percebi no Google eles fazem a marcação dos canteiros anexados aos nós das vias, no OSM, nós traçamos no canteiro exato, procede? Ja a questão da divisória, em grandes cidades usam muito essa mureta de perfil baixo, que pode ser fixa ou movel. Em rodovias não tem muita serventia, mas ajuda a detalhar. Blademir Andrade de lima Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:22:37 -0300 From: fernando.treb...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central Motorway sempre tem canteiro central, trunk nem sempre, tanto pela descrição do wiki em inglês quanto pela percepção da comunidade brasileira. Talvez o melhor termo para isso seria divisória central ou algo assim. De qualquer forma, poucos usuários se beneficiam efetivamente do traçado exato dessa barreira. Claro, é interessante que conste num mapa minucioso, até mesmo com motorways, indicando a posição e a forma do canteiro em relação à via. On Jul 19, 2013 11:58 PM, Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com wrote: A marcação do canteiro central só não é necessária em Motorway ou Trunk, que ja é previsto existir canteiro nesses dois, devido pela regra serem mão unica, um sentido de cada lado. A marcação do canteiro deve ser feita manualmente nos outros tipos de rodovias (primary, secondary etc), que sejam de pista dupla. Ja na marcação de mureta central, a que eu utilizo é barrier=jersey_barrier, ja que ela possui um perfil mais baixo que uma parede (wall). Blademir Andrade de lima Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:41:59 -0300 From: openstreet...@arlindopereira.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central Tendo mureta, imagem de satélite e tempo disponível, faço: landuse=grass na grama do canteiro barrier=wall na divisória do canteiro []s Em 19/07/2013 21:39, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu: Acho que obstáculos físicos como uma mureta deveriam ser considerados canteiro central também (não é exatamente um canteiro mas...). Na prática quase não há diferença funcional entre os dois: ambos impedem a travessia de veículos (impede também a ultrapassagem) e dificultam a travessia de pedestres, ciclistas, etc. 2013/7/19 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: 2013/7/19 Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: No maioria eu mapeando eles como duas rodovias separado, nao sei se este e o concenso ou nao Mas a minha dúvida está com as separações. Por exemplo, uma mureta entre as duas vias eu considero como canteiro. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law) The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central
canteiro central deve ser qualquer coisa que impossibilite fisicamente que um carro passe para o outro lado (ou seja, vale bloco de concreto, mas não olho de gato). Em 20/07/2013 10:26, Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com escreveu: Pelo que percebi no Google eles fazem a marcação dos canteiros anexados aos nós das vias, no OSM, nós traçamos no canteiro exato, procede? Ja a questão da divisória, em grandes cidades usam muito essa mureta de perfil baixo, que pode ser fixa ou movel. Em rodovias não tem muita serventia, mas ajuda a detalhar. Blademir Andrade de lima -- Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:22:37 -0300 From: fernando.treb...@gmail.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central Motorway sempre tem canteiro central, trunk nem sempre, tanto pela descrição do wiki em inglês quanto pela percepção da comunidade brasileira. Talvez o melhor termo para isso seria divisória central ou algo assim. De qualquer forma, poucos usuários se beneficiam efetivamente do traçado exato dessa barreira. Claro, é interessante que conste num mapa minucioso, até mesmo com motorways, indicando a posição e a forma do canteiro em relação à via. On Jul 19, 2013 11:58 PM, Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com wrote: A marcação do canteiro central só não é necessária em Motorway ou Trunk, que ja é previsto existir canteiro nesses dois, devido pela regra serem mão unica, um sentido de cada lado. A marcação do canteiro deve ser feita manualmente nos outros tipos de rodovias (primary, secondary etc), que sejam de pista dupla. Ja na marcação de mureta central, a que eu utilizo é barrier=jersey_barrier, ja que ela possui um perfil mais baixo que uma parede (wall). Blademir Andrade de lima -- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:41:59 -0300 From: openstreet...@arlindopereira.com To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central Tendo mureta, imagem de satélite e tempo disponível, faço: landuse=grass na grama do canteiro barrier=wall na divisória do canteiro []s Em 19/07/2013 21:39, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu: Acho que obstáculos físicos como uma mureta deveriam ser considerados canteiro central também (não é exatamente um canteiro mas...). Na prática quase não há diferença funcional entre os dois: ambos impedem a travessia de veículos (impede também a ultrapassagem) e dificultam a travessia de pedestres, ciclistas, etc. 2013/7/19 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: 2013/7/19 Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: No maioria eu mapeando eles como duas rodovias separado, nao sei se este e o concenso ou nao Mas a minha dúvida está com as separações. Por exemplo, uma mureta entre as duas vias eu considero como canteiro. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law) The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law) ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Hallo Dietmar gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür. Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden. Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch false positive. Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe Bernd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hallo Bernd, bist Du Dir da sicher? Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen 2-10, wo in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1]. die 9f gibt es auch in dem Shapefile. Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die stehen in der Liste der Stadt. Die wären dann ein Kandidat zum melden, das die in der Realität nicht vorhanden sind. Diese Meldungsgeschichte habe ich aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt noch. Viele Grüße Dietmar [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=198148427 Am 20.07.2013 08:40, schrieb Bernd Weigelt: Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Hallo Dietmar gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür. Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden. Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch false positive. Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe Bernd ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hallo, Zur SOTM im September planen wir eine neue Version des Keypad-Mapper 3, die u.a. eine Liste fehlender Hausnummern pro Strasse in der Umgebung des aktuellen Standorts des Mappers enthalten wird. Dabei haben wir dasselbe Problem wie Bernd, dass es Hausnummern in der Realität schlicht nicht gibt, die eigentlich ins Schema passen würden, also z.B. 1,3,7 statt 1,3,5,7 auf einer Strassenseite. Aktuell planen wir, eine eigene Datenbank vorzuhalten, die außerhalb von OSM solche Fälle vermerkt, damit nicht jeder Mapper immer wieder in die selbe Falle läuft und nach der Hausnummer sucht. Nachdem Dietmar auch auf solche Daten angewiesen ist für eine zuverlässige Anzeige und sicherlich auch weitere Software in der Zukunft macht es Sinn, diese Information an zentraler Stelle zu sammeln. Hat jemand eine Idee, wo man diese Information am Besten ablegen könnte? Cheers Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bernd Weigelt [mailto:weigelt.be...@web.de] Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2013 08:41 An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Hallo Dietmar gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür. Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden. Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch false positive. Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe Bernd ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Postcode Map 2.0 freigeschaltet
Hi, da nicht jeder hier auch das Forum benutzt: Ich habe meine alte PLZ-Karte komplett überarbeitet und freigeschaltet. Nähere Infos: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21827 Wir können selbstverständlich hier auf der Liste drüber diskutieren. Es werden bestimmt noch Kleinigkeiten unklar oder gar fehlerhaft sein. Gruss walter - [url=osm.wno-edv-service.de/residentials] Missing Residentials Map 1.13[/url] -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Postcode-Map-2-0-freigeschaltet-tp5770568.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 20.07.2013 09:06, schrieb Dietmar: bist Du Dir da sicher? Eigentlich schon, da ich dort Verwandschaft habe, bzw dort aufgewachsen bin. Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen 2-10, wo in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1]. die 9f gibt es auch in dem Shapefile. Die Hausnummer 2 ist ein groer Wohnblock aus den 80ern, ich kann mich noch an den Bau erinnern, vorher standen da kleine Htten ;-) Vielleicht enth¦lt das Shape diese alten Grundstcke noch. Im Haus 26 wohnte frher ein Schulkamerad Die H¦user 9e, 9g-h sind ¦hnlich strukturiert wie 11-17, ich nehme an man hat 9e-f zusammengefasst, so steht es auch in der Liegenschaftskarte Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die stehen in der Liste der Stadt. Die w¦ren dann ein Kandidat zum melden, das die in der Realit¦t nicht vorhanden sind. Diese Meldungsgeschichte habe ich aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt noch. Das w¦re eine Mglichkeit, die gerne nutzen wrde. Bernd -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlHqfSMACgkQwCMdlf933K8WpACgmhjPOgABXhFzXSCirXA6wn1Z VdkAn0hGql7KLjxHF4HCpQUKz3N8U5wu =7wJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hi Dietmar, Leider kann ich mir das grade nicht angucken - ich krieg nur 'nen HTTP 503 (Service Temporarily not available). Falls das also noch nicht aufgefallen sein sollte... bitte sehr ;) Gruß Peter Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Hallo, in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread [1]. Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung, die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas anzupassen. Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler. Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread) Es gibt eine tabellarische [3] und eine grafische Darstellung [4]. Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und. Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind. Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr neue Hausnummern. Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die OSM-Hausnummern. Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird zeitnah korrigiert. Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen boundary=administrative fehlt. Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der Strichstärken ergänzt. Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird. Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand ca. 10-12h. Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Viele Grüße Dietmar aka okilimu [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html [3] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln [4] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Am 20.07.2013 09:06, schrieb Dietmar: Nochmal geschickt ohne zerfledderte Umlaute, ist ein Bug in Thunderbird in Verbindung mit GPG bist Du Dir da sicher? Eigentlich schon, da ich dort Verwandschaft habe, bzw dort aufgewachsen bin. Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen 2-10, wo in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1]. die 9f gibt es auch in dem Shapefile. Die Hausnummer 2 ist ein großer Wohnblock aus den 80ern, ich kann mich noch an den Bau erinnern, vorher standen da kleine Hütten Vielleicht enthält das Shape diese alten Grundstücke noch. Im Haus 26 wohnte früher ein Schulkamerad Die Häuser 9e, 9g-h sind ähnlich strukturiert wie 11-17, ich nehme an man hat 9e-f zusammengefasst, so steht es auch in der Liegenschaftskarte Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die stehen in der Liste der Stadt. Die wären dann ein Kandidat zum melden, das die in der Realität nicht vorhanden sind. Diese Meldungsgeschichte habe ich aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt noch. Das wäre eine Möglichkeit, die gerne nutzen würde. Bernd ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hallo Peter, die Auswertung sollte wieder gehen. Ich habe pro Stadt den Gesamt-Stadteintrag, sei es Köln, München oder Augsburg entfernt, es sind also nur noch die Untergliederungen da. Diese können aber auch alle ausgewählt werden. Die Auswahl der Stadt an sich wird nachgereicht. Viele Grüße Dietmar Am 20.07.2013 14:09, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Hi Dietmar, Leider kann ich mir das grade nicht angucken - ich krieg nur 'nen HTTP 503 (Service Temporarily not available). Falls das also noch nicht aufgefallen sein sollte... bitte sehr ;) Gruß Peter Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Hallo, in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread [1]. Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung, die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas anzupassen. Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler. Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread) Es gibt eine tabellarische [3] und eine grafische Darstellung [4]. Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und. Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind. Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr neue Hausnummern. Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die OSM-Hausnummern. Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird zeitnah korrigiert. Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen boundary=administrative fehlt. Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der Strichstärken ergänzt. Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird. Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand ca. 10-12h. Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Viele Grüße Dietmar aka okilimu [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html [3] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln [4] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert
Hallo zusammen, aufgrund einer Anfrage auf der mapnik-de Mailingliste habe ich mal das sehr rudimentäre Lokalisierungskonzept des deutschen Kartenstils überdacht und deutlich verbessert. Für den Anwender kommt dabei raus, dass folgende name-Tags in etwa dieser Priorität auf der Karte gerendert werden: name:de name int_name name:en Das Ganze geht natürlich nur, wenn man zusätzliche Annahmen trifft: Es wäre zu Aufwendig, die Tatsache, dass sich ein Name im deutschsprachigen Raum befindet mit einzubeziehen, stattdessen schaut man einfach, ob der name Tag einen lateinischen Zeichensatz hat und nur wenn das nicht der Fall ist wird ggf. int_name oder name:en gerendert. Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt deutlich lesbarer geworden ist: http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13 Für die technisch interessierten: Das Ganze ist über eine stored Procedure in PL/pgSQL gelöst: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik-german/views/get_germanified_name.sql Das sieht beim Aufruf der Funktion dann so aus: osm= select get_germanified_name('Köln',NULL,'Col_int_ogne','Cologne') as name; name -- Köln (1 Zeile) osm= select get_germanified_name('เชียงใหม่',NULL,'Chiang Mai',NULL); get_germanified_name -- Chiang Mai (1 Zeile) Aufrufsemantik ist get_germanified_name(name text, name_de text, int_name text, name_en text) Jetzt bräuchte man nur noch eine passende Transliteration für diverse große nicht-lateinische Alphabete z.B. für russisch. Gruss Sven P.S.: Kann natürlich einen Moment dauern, bis alles aktualisiert ist. Zum Neurendern einzelner tiles hilft der übliche /dirty Trick. -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert
Sehr nützlich...danke Am 20. Juli 2013 14:56 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Hallo zusammen, aufgrund einer Anfrage auf der mapnik-de Mailingliste habe ich mal das sehr rudimentäre Lokalisierungskonzept des deutschen Kartenstils überdacht und deutlich verbessert. Für den Anwender kommt dabei raus, dass folgende name-Tags in etwa dieser Priorität auf der Karte gerendert werden: name:de name int_name name:en Das Ganze geht natürlich nur, wenn man zusätzliche Annahmen trifft: Es wäre zu Aufwendig, die Tatsache, dass sich ein Name im deutschsprachigen Raum befindet mit einzubeziehen, stattdessen schaut man einfach, ob der name Tag einen lateinischen Zeichensatz hat und nur wenn das nicht der Fall ist wird ggf. int_name oder name:en gerendert. Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt deutlich lesbarer geworden ist: http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13 Für die technisch interessierten: Das Ganze ist über eine stored Procedure in PL/pgSQL gelöst: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik-german/views/get_germanified_name.sql Das sieht beim Aufruf der Funktion dann so aus: osm= select get_germanified_name('Köln',NULL,'Col_int_ogne','Cologne') as name; name -- Köln (1 Zeile) osm= select get_germanified_name('เชียงใหม่',NULL,'Chiang Mai',NULL); get_germanified_name -- Chiang Mai (1 Zeile) Aufrufsemantik ist get_germanified_name(name text, name_de text, int_name text, name_en text) Jetzt bräuchte man nur noch eine passende Transliteration für diverse große nicht-lateinische Alphabete z.B. für russisch. Gruss Sven P.S.: Kann natürlich einen Moment dauern, bis alles aktualisiert ist. Zum Neurendern einzelner tiles hilft der übliche /dirty Trick. -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert
Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt deutlich lesbarer geworden ist: http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13 dto. für Jerusalem: http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=31.77478lon=35.2239zoom=15 Dort ist allerdings noch nicht alles neu gerendert. Gruss Sven -- /* * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-) */(taken from /usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hey Dietmar. Sieht ja schon tool aus. Will auch haben für BW. fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Dienst läuft wieder, super. Ich hätte zwei Erweiterungs-Ideen: 1) für vorhandene Städte wäre Quelle und Aktualität der jeweils verwendeten Straßenliste gut zu wissen. Zwischen Köln, Abfallkalender 2000 und Köln Wählerverzeichnis 2013 besteht möglicherweise ein deutlicher Unterschied. 2) Welche Listen sind in der Pipeline zur Übernahme aus den alten Diensten noch warten wäre entsprechend auch gut zu wissen, beides letztlich, um zu entscheiden, ob sich eine (Neu-) Anfrage in Gemeinde X lohnt oder nicht. Gruß Peter Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Hallo, in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread [1]. Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung, die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas anzupassen. Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler. Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread) Es gibt eine tabellarische [3] und eine grafische Darstellung [4]. Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und. Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind. Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr neue Hausnummern. Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die OSM-Hausnummern. Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird zeitnah korrigiert. Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen boundary=administrative fehlt. Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der Strichstärken ergänzt. Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird. Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand ca. 10-12h. Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Viele Grüße Dietmar aka okilimu [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html [3] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln [4] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Status zur AIO-Garmin Map Deutschland
Hallo Leute, ich wollte wieder mal die Karte für mein Garmin Origon aktualisieren. Auf der Wiki-Seite http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map lese ich allerdings folgendes: 28.05.201: Die Deutschlandkarte wird seit Ende Januar nicht mehr aktualisiert (obwohl sie täglich neu erzeugt wird) (kann man den Grund nennen? Bzw. was müsste getan werden, damit das wieder aktualisiert wird? Wie sieht's mit der Europakarte aus? --Thesurveyor http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thesurveyoraction=editredlink=1 (talk http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thesurveyoraction=editredlink=1) 15:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)). Die DACH+ Karte und auch die Deutschlandkarte haben Probleme beim Routing mit aktuelleren Garmin Firmware Versionen. Insbesondere mit access= Werten. Kann irgendjemand hierzu etwas näheres sagen? Stimmt das? Oder its diese Meldung nicht mehr aktuell? Gruss - uku69. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wasserturm verschwunden
Hallo an alle, kann mir jemand Tipps geben, warum Mapnik den Mannheimer Wasserturm http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200714910 nicht mehr anzeigt? Auch der Umgang in 5 m Höhe http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200715860 fehlt. Die gleich getaggte Treppe mit Podest (mittlere Höhe = 2 m) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200715859 wird dagegen angezeigt. Anfangs dachte ich an ein transientes Rendering-Problem, aber das ist seit einigen Wochen schon so. Die Hike Bike Map zeigt ihn auch nicht: http://hikebikemap.de/?zoom=17lat=49.484lon=8.4756 Beim deutschen Kartenstil wird der Wasserturm auch nicht angezeigt: http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=18lat=49.484lon=8.476 Nach Wechsel auch auf die ÖPNV-Karte dagegen schon: http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=18lat=49.484lon=8.476layers=0 0B0TT OSM2World zeigt ihn auch korrekt an: http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=49.48418lon=8.4755layers=B0TTFF Bei der OpenTopoMap scheint unter dem Turmsymbol auch alles da zu sein: http://www.opentopomap.org/map#49.484|8.4756|15 Bei der France Tropo Map fehlt er völlig, auch die Treppe mit Podest: http://francetopo.fr/?map_x=1096700map_y=6945376map_zoom=11 Hier ist vermutlich alles von der Fußgängerzone überdeckt. Gruß Bernhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar
Hallo Peter, hier im Thread geht es um die Hausnummernauswertung. Wir haben dazu zu jeder Straße alle Hausnummern erhalten. Den Stand und die Quelle sowie Nutzungshinweise für diese Listen werden ich dann mal bei Gelegenheit irgendwo mit angeben. Schon mal vorab: die Münchener und die Kölner Listen sind hochaktuell von Mitte dieses Jahres. Die Augsburger Liste von von 09/2012, die frage ich einmal im Jahr von der Stadt ab. Die Straßenlisten werden auf demselben Server verwaltet. Da ist der Stand der Straßenlisten im Straßenlisten-Wiki abzulesen, sofern vorhanden. Du kann die Wiki-Seite von der Auswertungsseite einer Gemeinde/Stadt aus anspringen oder direkt ins Wiki [1] gehen und dort suchen. Viele Grüße Dietmar [1] http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite Am 20.07.2013 15:46, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Dienst läuft wieder, super. Ich hätte zwei Erweiterungs-Ideen: 1) für vorhandene Städte wäre Quelle und Aktualität der jeweils verwendeten Straßenliste gut zu wissen. Zwischen Köln, Abfallkalender 2000 und Köln Wählerverzeichnis 2013 besteht möglicherweise ein deutlicher Unterschied. 2) Welche Listen sind in der Pipeline zur Übernahme aus den alten Diensten noch warten wäre entsprechend auch gut zu wissen, beides letztlich, um zu entscheiden, ob sich eine (Neu-) Anfrage in Gemeinde X lohnt oder nicht. Gruß Peter Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar: Hallo, in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread [1]. Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung, die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas anzupassen. Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler. Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread) Es gibt eine tabellarische [3] und eine grafische Darstellung [4]. Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und. Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind. Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr neue Hausnummern. Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die OSM-Hausnummern. Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird zeitnah korrigiert. Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen boundary=administrative fehlt. Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der Strichstärken ergänzt. Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird. Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand ca. 10-12h. Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden. Viele Grüße Dietmar aka okilimu [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html [3] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln [4] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list
[Talk-it] R: area yes
Visualizzando però la mappa nel vigneto la parola vigneto mi sa tanto di tag name. A meno che un vigneto abbia espressamente un nome (cosa rara) non credo abbia senso inserirlo. Come pure terreno incolto. Ho visualizzato la mappa da un netbook, non ho josm, per cui è una sensazione,non vedendo direttamente il tag, ma il rendering mi semba quello. Messaggio originale Da: mario.piche...@gmail.com Data: 20-lug-2013 0.51 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: [Talk-it] area yes Ho scritto fattoria in aree attorno alle località Tra i vari risultati: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.003351amp;lon=9.398445amp;zoom=19 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.82827amp;lon=12.597amp;zoom=16 Mentre con campo, mi sono inoltrato nel regno del multipoligono. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.71151amp;lon=10.48251amp;zoom=15 Ciao Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] area yes
Eviterei il name se non esiste un nome ufficiale. Ad esempio landuse=wineyard contiene già l'informazione che quell'appezzamento è un vigneto. Mandi. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Non so se può esservi utile: http://www.splashmaps.net/ non si tratta di magliette ma di mappe su stoffa poliestere con dati (anche) di OSM. In UK diversi gruppi di ciclisti, soprattutto mtb, le stanno già usando, visto che si possono indossare come foulard, annotabili con penne non indelebili e soprattutto lavabili. pg Il giorno 19/lug/2013 22:41, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 19/07/2013 19:55, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Anch'io interessato :) OT/ della serie le magliette crescono:-) /OT.+2thanks __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Copyright
contro la mela non le ha usate perchè la situazione m sembra si sia sistemata da se poco dopo essere stata scoperta...è chiaro che se qualcuno infrange i copyright debba essere prima avvisato e poi, se reitera o persiste nella violazione, denunciato. non penso che la osmf abbia paura di un confronto legale con i colossise non si utilizzano certi mezzi è probabilmente solo per non dare un immagine sbagliata del progetto, ma se ha ragione l'avversario può essere potente quanto si vuole ma non vincerebbe mai (oltre al fatto che il precedente legale probabilmente andrebbe contro i suoi stessi interessi) Questa cosa che dice Cascafico Giovanni è molto grave e la OSMF deve essere assolutamente avvisata. Stiamo parlando di una casa editrice che con sulle mappe OSM guadagna dei soldi e che, nonostante il ripetersi degli avvertimenti, si ostina a non mettere la giusta attribuzione. non le si chiede nulla alla casa editrice, solo l'attribuzione corretta e questa non fa neanche questa piccola cosa?. allora a questo punto se non vuole mettere l'attribuzione non mette in vendita il prodotto con su le nostre mappe.punto non c'è neanche da discuterne... fossimo stati in Germania o negli USA il prodotto sarebbe stato già ritirato dal mercato e volevo vedere se una cosa del genere si sarebbe ripetuta di nuovo. secondo me è giusto avvertire subito la OSMF http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure facendo presente anche il ripetersi dell'avvertimento ignorato, in più ricorderei ancora una volta la casa editrice come stanno i fatti e cosa rischia se non si da una regolata, avvisandola che l' infringement è stato segnalato...da qui in poi ci penserà l'ufficio legale della OSMF. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Copyright-tp5770343p5770529.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Serre
Il 19/07/2013 23:53, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Am 17/lug/2013 um 10:03 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Devo inserire sulle casette anche il tag building= greenhouse o sarebbe superfluo se viene etichettata l'area? lo metterei, building per un edificio non è implicito nei altri tags che hai messo (landuse e shop) ciao, Martin Ciao Gianluca. Mandami il link relativo alla serra, cosi lo inserisco nei tag. Mario. http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=7.304353,44.817718,7.306606,44.818993amp;layer=mapnikamp;marker=44.81854,7.30538 Questo è il link del vivaio più che delle serre. Nei tag inseriscilo come vivaio (o luogo dove si coltivano e vendono fiori e piante) e magari crea una voce separata apposita per le serre (non ci sono solo nei vivai). Ti segnalo anche questo link http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1588831326 da inserire nel tag dei municipi. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Personalmente non sono interessato in roba *tecnica* per ciclisti OSM. Preferisco T-shirt in cottone normale che posso indossare anche senza bicicletta sotto il culo. Ma mi va benissimo se nel design/logo/ecc appare sia la bici sia OSM. Volker On 19 July 2013 15:40, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote: Mi sembra si parli di maglie normali, io invece pensavo proprio qualcosa di specifico per ciclista. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770382.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Serre
Il 20/07/2013 09:30, Gianluca Boero ha scritto: Il 19/07/2013 23:53, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Am 17/lug/2013 um 10:03 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Devo inserire sulle casette anche il tag building= greenhouse o sarebbe superfluo se viene etichettata l'area? lo metterei, building per un edificio non è implicito nei altri tags che hai messo (landuse e shop) ciao, Martin Ciao Gianluca. Mandami il link relativo alla serra, cosi lo inserisco nei tag. Mario. http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=7.304353,44.817718,7.306606,44.818993amp;layer=mapnikamp;marker=44.81854,7.30538 Questo è il link del vivaio più che delle serre. Nei tag inseriscilo come vivaio (o luogo dove si coltivano e vendono fiori e piante) e magari crea una voce separata apposita per le serre (non ci sono solo nei vivai). Ti segnalo anche questo link http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1588831326 da inserire nel tag dei municipi. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-) Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il 20/07/2013 10:25, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Personalmente non sono interessato in roba /tecnica/ per ciclisti OSM. Preferisco T-shirt in cottone normale che posso indossare anche senza bicicletta sotto il culo. Ma mi va benissimo se nel design/logo/ecc appare sia la bici sia OSM. Volker +1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
però quella riserva d'acqua dovresti legarla con una relazione inner alla landuse=scrub outer altrimenti sono sovrapposte. Inoltre vedo che alcune volte lasci fuori le tracce dei percorsi ed altre volte le includi nei campi. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770541.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Nuovo layout controlli sito OSM
Il sito http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ha un nuovo layout dei controlli, molto carino, e' stata fatta un po' di pulizia. L'unica cosa che non funziona a dovere credo sia il layerswitcher perche' appare una seconda barra verticale che non e' molto comoda. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree canali
Vedo che a volte son lasciati gli spazzi dove ci son i canali e altre volte no, e questi non son taggati. Inoltre quale deve esser la precisione sul seguire i percorsi, ogni tanto vedo tante linee rette che son poco reali. Non so se val solo per le strade, ma nel wiki l'esempio fa vedere che le curve devono esser ben raggaiate. certo meglio evitar gli eccessi, ma nemmeno l'opposto a mio avviso. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/aree-canali-tp5770067p5770544.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] area yes
Scusami ma non capisco cosa voglia dire il tuo post. A parte il fatto che ci sia qualcuno che scriva l'indicazione vigneto su un vigneto... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Pioppeti-tp5770456p5770545.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il post comunque parla di ciclisti, gli altri possono astenersi. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770547.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Ok, ma mi sembra che quelle normali ci siano già. qui un esempio http://281257.spreadshirt.de/openstreetmap-C120641 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770554.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Non esattamente. A me piacerebbe qualcosa col logo ufficiale di OSM. Per il motivo che mi sembra tu abbia esposto nel messaggio originale: quando si mappa, sarebbe bello essere identificabile con OSM in modo facile. Quindi ci dovrebbe essere il logo OSM e il riferimento al sito OSM.org e un riferimento all'uso della bici per la mappatura. E tutto su cottone. Questo i miei requisiti. :-) Volker On 20 July 2013 12:07, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote: Ok, ma mi sembra che quelle normali ci siano già. qui un esempio http://281257.spreadshirt.de/openstreetmap-C120641 -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770554.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Nuovo layout controlli sito OSM
Ne approfitto per chiedere: per caso c'è qualcuno in questa lista impegnato nello sviluppo del sito? Ciao! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Serre
Il 20/07/2013 11:16, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-) Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario. Ciao... Tutto ok..solo che il tag della singola serra è building= greenhouse http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dgreenhouse -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il 20/07/2013 11:49, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Sono ciclista attivo e mappatore attivo, ma lo stesso mi interessa meno un tuta tecnologica da ciclisti. Preferisco il casual al tecnico. :-) Volker Faccio presente che una maglietta da ciclista dovrebbe avere almeno due tasche sulla schiena, utile per contenere un piccolo portafoglio e qualcosa per prendere appunti (cellulare nel mio caso o block notes). Il Gps nel mio caso è ancorato al manubrio. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Rispetto tutti ma il post parlerebbe di magliette x ciclisti. Apritene un altro su T-shirt tempo libero please -- sent by Google Nexus Il giorno 20/lug/2013 11:46, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Il post comunque parla di ciclisti, gli altri possono astenersi. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770547.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Possibilità di import dati Umbria?
Ho visto che la regione Umbria mette a disposizione alcuni servizi WMS, l'elenco è a questo indirizzo: http://www.umbriageo.regione.umbria.it/canale.asp?id=422 I termini di utilizzo sono i seguenti: I Servizi possono essere usati liberamente per uso locale di studio e di ricerca. Non possono essere utilizzati per attività commerciali. In caso di necessità di pubblicazione e/o altri utilizzi occorre richiedere apposita autorizzazione alla Regione Umbria - Servizio Informatico/Informativo: geografico, ambientale e territoriale. In ogni caso nelle elaborazioni deve essere sempre riportata la fonte dei dati. Ho controllato i dati disponibili e basandomi sulla mia poca esperienza mi sembra che ci sono luci ed ombre, ad esempio: 1- le foto aeree sono del 2011 e molto dettagliate, per cui poterle usare per verifica o ricalco sarebbe un passo avanti rispetto a quanto disponibile ora 2- il grafo tratti stradali, fabbricati e numeri civici mi sembra abbastanza aggiornato per la parte fabbricati, i nomi delle strade quando sono stati assegnati o modificati dai comuni negli ultimi anni non rispecchiano la situazione attuale, i numeri civici sono inseriti parzialmente, ma spesso dove non sono inseriti si trova lo stesso numero per tutto il comune 3- il catasto regionale formato raster almeno per le zone che conosco mi sembra vecchio di alcuni decenni Data la situazione pensate, se tecnicamente fattibile, sia il caso di richiedere l'autorizzazione per un eventuale utilizzo o import ed eventualmente come si deve procedere? Grazie Marcello ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Copyright
Sono d'accordo, tuttavia ho visto che ha adottato un accorgimento, essendo la pubblicazione composta da mappa e libretto non vendibili separatamente: sulla prima solo un copyright dell'editore e nel libretto accompagnatore l'attribuzione aggiornata OSM. Mi sembra più che altro un modo per acquisire tutti i diritti sulla copia, ma non sono in grado di valutarne la legittimità. Secondo voi è accettabile? -- http://cascafico.altervista.org Il giorno 20/lug/2013 09.18, Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com ha scritto: contro la mela non le ha usate perchè la situazione m sembra si sia sistemata da se poco dopo essere stata scoperta...è chiaro che se qualcuno infrange i copyright debba essere prima avvisato e poi, se reitera o persiste nella violazione, denunciato. non penso che la osmf abbia paura di un confronto legale con i colossise non si utilizzano certi mezzi è probabilmente solo per non dare un immagine sbagliata del progetto, ma se ha ragione l'avversario può essere potente quanto si vuole ma non vincerebbe mai (oltre al fatto che il precedente legale probabilmente andrebbe contro i suoi stessi interessi) Questa cosa che dice Cascafico Giovanni è molto grave e la OSMF deve essere assolutamente avvisata. Stiamo parlando di una casa editrice che con sulle mappe OSM guadagna dei soldi e che, nonostante il ripetersi degli avvertimenti, si ostina a non mettere la giusta attribuzione. non le si chiede nulla alla casa editrice, solo l'attribuzione corretta e questa non fa neanche questa piccola cosa?. allora a questo punto se non vuole mettere l'attribuzione non mette in vendita il prodotto con su le nostre mappe.punto non c'è neanche da discuterne... fossimo stati in Germania o negli USA il prodotto sarebbe stato già ritirato dal mercato e volevo vedere se una cosa del genere si sarebbe ripetuta di nuovo. secondo me è giusto avvertire subito la OSMF http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure facendo presente anche il ripetersi dell'avvertimento ignorato, in più ricorderei ancora una volta la casa editrice come stanno i fatti e cosa rischia se non si da una regolata, avvisandola che l' infringement è stato segnalato...da qui in poi ci penserà l'ufficio legale della OSMF. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Copyright-tp5770343p5770529.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Ho optato per farm perchè è il più utilizzato almeno così dice il map future del wiki. -1 landuse=farm è stato deprecato per un preciso motivo: in passato farm è stato usato confusamente sia per indicare farmland (il terreno agricolo) sia farmyard (la cascina). Per distinguerli oggi si consiglia di usare farmland e farmyard e man mano di sostituire farm con uno di questi due tag, dopo aver verificato. Il fatto che farm sia ancora più usato vuol dire solo che la sostituzione dei tag è lenta. Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] waterway_layer
Ciao a tutti Come mi ha fatto notare Bredy, non si usa layer -1 nei waterway. Ho fatto un giro nei principali fiumi e nessuno lo usa. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.63822lon=10.48771zoom=16 (Oder) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.5108lon=8.69543zoom=15 (Ticino) Ma anche Tamigi, Reno, ecc... Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il 20/07/2013 11:30, bredy ha scritto: però quella riserva d'acqua dovresti legarla con una relazione inner alla landuse=scrub outer altrimenti sono sovrapposte. Inoltre vedo che alcune volte lasci fuori le tracce dei percorsi ed altre volte le includi nei campi. -- Vero, sono lavori_old, devo aggiornare il tutto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il 20/07/2013 11:49, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Sono ciclista attivo e mappatore attivo, ma lo stesso mi interessa meno un tuta tecnologica da ciclisti. Preferisco il casual al tecnico. :-) Volker Mi associo:-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il 20/07/2013 12:22, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Non esattamente. A me piacerebbe qualcosa col logo ufficiale di OSM. Per il motivo che mi sembra tu abbia esposto nel messaggio originale: quando si mappa, sarebbe bello essere identificabile con OSM in modo facile. Quindi ci dovrebbe essere il logo OSM e il riferimento al sito OSM.org e un riferimento all'uso della bici per la mappatura. Tipo, siamo solo mappatori in bici, miglioriamo il mondo e non facciamo niente di male. E tutto su cotton. Questo i miei requisiti. :-) Idem;-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Alberto-2 wrote Ho optato per farm perchè è il più utilizzato almeno così dice il map future del wiki. -1 landuse=farm è stato deprecato per un preciso motivo: in passato farm è stato usato confusamente sia per indicare farmland (il terreno agricolo) sia farmyard (la cascina). Per distinguerli oggi si consiglia di usare farmland e farmyard e man mano di sostituire farm con uno di questi due tag, dopo aver verificato. Il fatto che farm sia ancora più usato vuol dire solo che la sostituzione dei tag è lenta. Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@ http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Sarebbe il caso di modificare il Map Future allora, perchè com'è scritto attualmente non viene riportato quanto dite. Negli altri casi viene posta la scritta deprecated quando un tag non deve più essere usato. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770585.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Applicare più di un tag contemporaneamente
Volevo sapere se in JOSM esiste un modo per inserire più tag contemporaneamente. Ad esempio quando sui fossi inserisco i cunicoli sotterranei deve ogni volta inserire tunnel=culvert e layer=-1 risparmierei un po' di tempo vista l'infinità di questi nei campi. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Applicare-piu-di-un-tag-contemporaneamente-tp5770587.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Serre
Il 20/07/2013 12:59, Gianluca Boero ha scritto: Il 20/07/2013 11:16, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-) Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario. Ciao... Tutto ok..solo che il tag della singola serra è building= greenhouse http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dgreenhouse Acc:-[ la frett, provvedofatto. Quindi greenhouse_horticulture è specifico per piante da orto, pomodori, peperono, melanzane, meloni, cetrioli...fine:-) Se hai notato nell'esempio che ho proposto http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.818457lon=7.305321zoom=20 hanno messo landuse_industrial Ciao, Mario. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Il 20/07/2013 13:06, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Rispetto tutti ma il post parlerebbe di magliette x ciclisti. Apritene un altro su T-shirt tempo libero please Tipico esempio di fork:-) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Applicare più di un tag contemporaneamente
Il giorno 20 luglio 2013 14:56, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Volevo sapere se in JOSM esiste un modo per inserire più tag contemporaneamente. Ad esempio quando sui fossi inserisco i cunicoli sotterranei deve ogni volta inserire tunnel=culvert e layer=-1 risparmierei un po' di tempo vista l'infinità di questi nei campi. Ctrl-C per copiare Ctrl-Maiusc-V per incollare tutti i tag. (e Ctrl-Alt-V per incollare tutte le relazioni se hai il plugin utilsplugin2) Ciao, Stefano -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Applicare-piu-di-un-tag-contemporaneamente-tp5770587.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confini amministrativi, isole...
2013/7/16 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com 2013/7/16 marco bra marcobra.ubu...@gmail.com: In questa zona confini comunali sembrano alquanto improbabili..., quantomeno nelle isole interne al confine principale... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.40562lon=15.49765zoom=16 Non avendo possibilità di verifica precisa Vi invio messaggio qui penso, invece, che siano corretti, si tratta di enclavi (o exclavi) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclavi del comune confinanti. I amministrativi confini sono sempre fonte di divertimento: http://burc.regione.campania.it/eBurcWeb/directServlet?DOCUMENT_ID=504ATTACH_ID=504 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Pioppeti
Si i confini li avevo aggiornati e anche tolti quelli non più presenti, ma i tag devo correggerli. Mandi e grazie. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Pioppeti-tp5770456p5770600.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree canali
On 20/lug/2013, at 11:36, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote: Inoltre quale deve esser la precisione sul seguire i percorsi, ogni tanto vedo tante linee rette che son poco reali. +1, è un processo iterativo, ogni mappatore che passa lo aggiusta un po' meglio ;-) Non so se val solo per le strade, ma nel wiki l'esempio fa vedere che le curve devono esser ben raggaiate. certo meglio evitar gli eccessi, ma nemmeno l'opposto a mio avviso. si ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] end_farm
c'è un modo per modificare tutti i miei farm in automatico senza doverli selezionare uno per uno? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770607.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] end_farm
Addirittura sul wiki se si clicca su farmland rimanda al tag farm, molto ambigua la cosa. Da risolvere. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770608.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti
Se si crea confusione poi non si arriva a niente, qui mi par chiaro si parlava di una maglietta per ciclisti di tipo sportivo, addirittura di completo con pantaloncini. E c'era già un numero adeguato a pensare di realizzarla, poi l'intervento di chi vuole una t-shirt normale. Con il rischio di mandar tutto all'aria. E' molto creare due post. Oltretutto mi sembra che di magliette normali se ne sia già parlato ma non se ne è fatto niente... -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770609.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] twitter bot osm
Posto anche qui. Non funziona più il bot che twitta gli edit in osm. Ho scritto ad Alexander Klink ma non ha risposto. So che twitter ha aggiornato l'api, può essere quello il problema? Si può aggiornare il codice? Il 15/07/2013 17:11, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2013/7/15 Fabri erfab...@gmail.com Prima inviava un tweet per ogni edit a Roma, come mai ha smesso di funzionare? https://twitter.com/osm_roma Il codice è qui: http://git.alech.de/?p=osm_twitter_bots.git forse Alexander Klink chi ha operato questo servizio ha smesso di farlo? Lo potresti chiedere su osm_twitter_b...@alech.de ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Nuovo layout controlli sito OSM
ho scritto un articolo al riguardo su chimerarevo.com...deve essere ancora pubblicato. ogni occasione è buona per fare pubblicità al progetto. comunque sia non mi dispiace la nuova interfaccia: sono stati rimossi i controlli di navigazione sulla sinistra che non usavo mai. per quanto riguarda la barra laterale quando si selezionano i layer penso anche io che potrebbero venire ridotte un po' in larghezza...ma il problema si riproporrebbe comunque con il map key (la legenda per intenderci). io come difetto ho notato che non è più possibile scorrere la lista dei risultati di nominatim...ma sembrerebbe essere un problema in via di risoluzione. secondo me un bel lavoro. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Nuovo-layout-controlli-sito-OSM-tp5770543p5770617.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it