Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello. I was trying to find a good use for the macro syntax that I seem to have overlooked: the %paranthesis(syntax), so to speak. It seems that the parantheses are evaluated AFTER the quotes. And, without quotes, only the first word of the parantheses content is used, for single-parameter macros anyway. And, the rest of the whole parantheses construct is dropped, then. These are all counter-intuitive behaviours. %WRAPPED(%COOKIE(C:\file.txt)) should do what it says. %COOKIE should take a string as input, and return a string as output. If it returns a multi-word line, the result is as if the macro looked like this: %WRAPPED(This is my smart cookie line) ... and it works like this: This is my smart cookie line) - This seems to be wrapped, okay, it's a single word, the wrap is not seen. But the ) after line shows that is my smart cookie line) was treated literally. I would expect the macro to complain about a bad syntax, if not assume it had around the string. So, another approach. %WRAPPED(%COOKIE(C:\file.txt)) result: (C:\file.txt)) Uh, what? I can't even begin to understand how this happens. So, in the end, I have to write my macro as this: %WRAPPED(%COOKIE(C:\file.txt)) But if the parantheses do not separate the quotes, so that multi-quoting is still necessary, they're pretty much useless. The correct grammar to be introduced, would be, IMO, like the one below. Easy to parse, non-ambiguous... macro := macroname | macroname ( parameter moreparameters ) macroname := COOKIE | OTIME | .. parameter := \ string \ | safeword moreparameters := | , string moreparameters string := word | word string word := [^ ]* safeword := [^ )]* -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Co dzieciaki w zeszytach wypisuj: Poprzez pasanie gsi i wi doszed do owiaty. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello MaXxX, Monday, October 25, 2004, 8:40:06 AM, you wrote: I was trying to find a good use for the macro syntax that I seem to have overlooked: the %paranthesis(syntax), so to speak. To quote the help file: Note: The Bat! version 2 introduces a new syntax for macros: it is now possible to use brackets instead of =... (in some cases it is now required, for example in macros with more than one parameter). Plus, quotation marks are not required for one-word or one-macro parameters. So its either parenthesis *OR* quotation marks that keep paramenters apart. I can't go thru all your examples but maybe you want to check them against this rule... And, especially for the %WRAPPED macro - again, look up the helpfile. That macro will behave differently if used with parenthesis or quotation marks (with parenthesis you have to pass a limit parameter before you pass the text to be wrapped). And PS: why post this on tbbeta? -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature Request: periodical mail checking only when connection is available
Dear Marek, -- Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2004, 21:36:51: So my suggestion is: - to have the function programmed that when there is no connection TB! is ignoring the 'periodic mail checking'. check option No automatical for periodical checking in Network and Administration dialog. Sorry my Connection is on a Local Area Network. Therefore this option is not available. Or am I doing something wrong? -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 9:41:39 AM, Alexander S. Kunz spewed forth what is to be beheld below: So its either parenthesis *OR* quotation marks that keep paramenters apart. I can't go thru all your examples but maybe you want to check them against this rule... I know how to use the macros, in both forms. I was not asking for help :) And PS: why post this on tbbeta? Because this was supposed to have the form of a feature request / improvement suggestion. The current macro syntax is largely ambiguous and unwieldy. The introduction of parantheses allows for very nice simplification of the quoting madness, so it's a shame it doesn't simplify it at all. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random IRC quote: MaXxX and not a word about my pee. | MaXxX ... SpeeD, I mean. I gotta clean thi keyboar. | MaXxX --; Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature Request: periodical mail checking only when connection is available
On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 11:19:42 AM, Eddie Castelli picked up a feather, dipped its tip in ink, and began scribbling: Sorry my Connection is on a Local Area Network. Therefore this option is not available. Or am I doing something wrong? On a LAN, there is no other way of telling if you're online or offline, apart from attempting to connect to the server... Or are you disconnecting your cable, and would like TB! to know which network connection it should monitor for an up status? -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 He who begins much, finishes little. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello MaXxX, Monday, October 25, 2004, 12:37:47 PM, you wrote: So its either parenthesis *OR* quotation marks that keep paramenters apart. I can't go thru all your examples but maybe you want to check them against this rule... I know how to use the macros, in both forms. I was not asking for help :) At least you also start reading what people are writing when they answer your posts, but you happily ignored the fact that you *are* using the macro wrong, in *all* of your examples, because you omit the limit value that *must* be passed over when you are using the %WRAPPED macro with parenthesis. You try to use %WRAPPED(%COOKIE(C:\file.txt)) ...and that does not work. It can't. Because the format is (according to the friendly helpfile): %WRAPPED(limit,text) *or* %WRAPPED=text Try again. -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Alexander, Monday, October 25, 2004, 1:28:09 PM, you wrote: also I meant could. -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello tbbeta200409203600, Monday, October 25, 2004, 1:55:23 PM, you wrote: Your'e getting somthing wrong here: As you stated earlier you *may* *always* use parenthesis instead of quotation marks: That statement is not from me but from TB's helpfile. RTFM. And there (in the friendly manual) you'll also find, for the third time now in this thread (I'm starting to get tired of repeating it) that the %WRAPPED macro behaves DIFFERENTLY when you use it with parenthesis. Hell... -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature Request: periodical mail checking only when connection is available
Dear MaXxX, -- Montag, 25. Oktober 2004, 12:40:00: Sorry my Connection is on a Local Area Network. Therefore this option is not available. Or am I doing something wrong? On a LAN, there is no other way of telling if you're online or offline, apart from attempting to connect to the server... Or are you disconnecting your cable, and would like TB! to know which network connection it should monitor for an up status? Yes I'm normally on a LAN. When I'm off the Internet I just pull the cable. Is it in such case possible to determine if you have connection or not? If YES then there should be a way in discontinuing the 'periodical check'. -- best regards | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0 Eddie | Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on Tour | Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Xenocryst! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 7:42 AM, you wrote: txxn You can vainly argue whether -- as I quoted from TFM -- txxn | new syntax for macros: it is now possible to use brackets instead txxn | of =... txxn means implies possible to always use, which makes a lot of sense, or txxn possible to sometimes use, which would lead to the unanswered txxn question: where then? txxn But in the end it matters to not fool the user's innocent txxn assumptions. Here I am, the innocent user (yes, I know, I switched the referent of the adjective :) ). And nobody in this thread is saying what version of TB! he is running. There has been *some* revision of the Help File in v. 3.0.1.33 and, carried over, of course, into the current beta. I quote below, from my help file, which begins What's New in Version 3. : == Note: The Bat! version 2 introduces a new syntax for macros: it is now possible to use brackets instead of =... (in some cases it is now required, for example in macros with more than one parameter). Plus, quotation marks are not required for one-word or one-macro parameters. === So, my curiosity is well piqued. I am as near to a rank newby in these matters as one can get. My cookies are called by a macro which I pasted in by rote, with the assistance of Leif and of David Elliott, who coached me about it on the tbot mailing list. It seems to me though, Xenocryst, that your point is valid and needs addressing in further revisions and re-writings of the Help file. And that MaXxX's feature request is probably needed--a clarification of the Macro's effects. Not that I'm going to be writing one any time soon, but it is nice to begin to understand what the language and grammar mean. P.S. I wish that Alexander Kunz would quit using sarcasm and would refrain from cursing in the body of his messages, or anywhere else. P.S.2 Translated into English, does Xenocryst mean strange crystal? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Dear Alexander, @25-Oct-2004, 14:16 +0200 (25-Oct 13:16 UK time) Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your'e getting somthing wrong here: As you stated earlier you *may* *always* use parenthesis instead of quotation marks: ASK That statement is not from me but from TB's helpfile. RTFM. Not correct. You are misinterpreting what you are reading there. ASK And there (in the friendly manual) you'll also find, for the ASK third time now in this thread (I'm starting to get tired of ASK repeating it) that the %WRAPPED macro behaves DIFFERENTLY when ASK you use it with parenthesis. This is what it says, but it is not *all* it means. %WRAPPED=%COOKIE is identical in operation to %WRAPPED(%COOKIE) I use both and both work. What the manual is saying is that the new form of %WRAPPED(%COOKIE,60) will *only* work with parentheses. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgptcMQnykIMl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello tbbeta200409203600, Monday, October 25, 2004, 2:42:37 PM, you wrote: That's your interpretation -- and it's plain wrong. TFM does *NOT* state %Wrapped should behave differently when used with parenthesis or quotationmarks, respectively. Why don't you SIMPLY open the helpfile instead of going into lengthy discussions with me? Its all THERE, here: --- cut --- WRAPPED = text ...insert text wrapped as specified by the default editor settings. You can freely use template macros from this list within the text. This macro is very useful when using a lot of macros to generate the text and want that text to be well laid out. For best effect, place the %WRAPPED=text macro at the beginning of a new line WRAPPED(limit, text) ...macro for more precise text wrapping. Set value of Limit to the number of symbols were you want auto wrapping to be done --- cut --- You can vainly argue whether -- as I quoted from TFM -- You don't even read what information is at your hands, read whats in the HELP file and what I already wrote, yet you keep up argueing where there is no need to argue, because after: | new syntax for macros: it is now possible to use brackets instead | of =... follows: (in some cases it is now required, for example in macros with more than one parameter) ...and I already did quote that three mails ago. And if you look at the parenthesis-version of the %WRAPPED macro now you'll easily see (be afraid!) - it has more than one parameter, and that is 1. limit and 2. text, and thus is *requires* parenthesis. Now we could argue if its logic or not, that if you pass only one parameter, you can't use the parenthesis version, but thats a different story, and IMHO it has to do with preserving compatibility to older versions, and that is a good thing. It behaves differently when you use parenthesis. That may be why MaxXx has the problems he has, and thats what I said in my very first reply to him, but you successfully keep ignoring that. Congratulations. means implies possible to always use, which makes a lot of sense, or possible to sometimes use, which would lead to the unanswered question: where then? Well, if the macro has more than one parameter - as stated in the helpfile. *SIGH* Got it now? Ask yourself, man. -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Mary, Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:10:05 PM, you wrote: P.S. I wish that Alexander Kunz would quit using sarcasm and would refrain from cursing in the body of his messages, or anywhere else. Wish on. I write my mails the way I like, and I won't let myself be teached by you again, and again in public, remember that. Thank you. -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Marck, Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:20:10 PM, you wrote: %WRAPPED(%COOKIE) I use both and both work. I tried that only a couple of days ago, exactly the same way Maxxx tries to use it, and I stumbled exactly across the problems he has... -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Dear Alexander, @25-Oct-2004, 15:28 +0200 (25-Oct 14:28 UK time) Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: %WRAPPED(%COOKIE) I use both and both work. ASK I tried that only a couple of days ago, exactly the same way ASK Maxxx tries to use it, and I stumbled exactly across the problems ASK he has... Indeed, but that's not because it is *intrinsically* wrong. It isn't. What you have both ignored is a basic tenet of the use of parenthesis to delimit macro parameters. It says quite clearly in the 'fine' manual ;-) : ,--/ Help - Template Macros \-- Note: The Bat! version 2 introduces a new syntax for macros: it is now possible to use brackets instead of =... (in some cases it is now required, for example in macros with more than one parameter). Plus, quotation marks are not required for one-word or one-macro parameters. `--\ End /-- See that last sentence? The converse is that quotation marks *are required* for more than single word macro parameters. Therefore: %MACRO(This will work) and %MACRO(This will never work) This is what the issue really is. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpAiuUbSQVA9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
batskin.ini file format
Hello Tbbeta, Here is the draft version of the batskin.ini file format. Valerye Bostan [EMAIL PROTECTED] has written this specification. Please contact him in case of any question. The russian version of this description follows after the English version. Regarding batskin.ini - there is a possibility, that current file format will be significantly changed, due to continued work in progress on the whole GUI system of program. At least a possibility to select different icon sets from available files using Options/Preferences is planned. For now the file is following these rules: --- The format is a generic Windows .ini file with some required sections (the description of a generic windows .ini file could be acquired separately). Program scans the file for these sections and parses their data accordingly. Required sections and their contents are: [bitmaps] Bitmapn=filename1[,[filename2][,[[CropX][,[CropY][,[CropWidth][,[CropHeight]]] the file (batskin.ini further will be called the file) must contain at least one such section, otherwise it could be of no sence to use it. bitmap in the context of the file is a picture which may contain from one to many glyphs (separate icons or pictures in the picture) of the same or different sizes, their locations could be any desired by the file creator. n code of bitmap is a number in range 0..X (X should be reasonable) number must be unique for this section. filename1 - hicolor interface mode file with glyph graphics. supported formats are JPEG, PNG, BMP. PNG or BMP with full range alpha range (8-bit alpha) are preffered and fully used for image alpha-blending. JPEGs, 8bit (and lower) BMPS, 256 color PNGs are supported in a transparency limited mode. pixel at (0,0) defines KeyColor - a color which is not drawn and is used as a picture mask (usually it is a magenta, for example, but could be any - if you make it as a used color in your glyphs, you'll have holes!). filename2 - 16-color mode version of glyphs (HiColor Images checkbox is off in Options/Preferences) must be of the same size with picture in the filename1. only BMP is supported, 16-color (4bit) files are prefered. of course, no alpha-blending, only simple key colouring, similar to 1.x,2.x behaviour. could be omitted, in that case built-in version is used, but you still define custom glyphs, the result could be messed up. CropX, CropY, CropWidth, CropHeight - if picture has unused space around graphics, these parameters may specify a cropping rectangle similar to Photoshop Crop Image. helps to save memory used by loaded bitmaps. omitting CropX or CropY defaults them to 0. omitting CropWidth or CropHeight defaults to remaining bitmap Width or Height, accordingly. Example: [bitmaps] Bitmap0=new_icons.png,,28,33,608,384 load a bitmap from file new_icons.png, ignore 16-bit version, crop image at 28,33 with size 608x384 (implies, picture is bigger and at least have unused space at 28 pixel wide at left and 33 pixels tall at top, this space is removed and final loaded picture will be 608x384 pixels) [schemes] SchemeName=GlyphSetID defines, which glyph set (discussed later in this document) is associated with this program-required scheme name. SchemeName a name which is used by main program code to find a glyph set. the file must contain resolving of next glyph scheme names: (WorkIcons,Buttons,ListIcons,Folders,Controls,AddrBook,BigIcons) GlyphSeta local identifier, which defines a glyph set. Example: [schemes] WorkIcons=my_workicons ... defines WorkIcons as my_workicons. (however, all other required scheme names must be defined, too) [glyphsets] GlyphSetn = GlyphSetID,Width,Height defines which glyphsets will be loaded into memory and which sizes do have glyphs inside. the file may have more glyph sets defined, than used. n order number, not important. Width, Height size of each glyph (pixels) in the given glyph set. (all glyphs in a glyph set have the same sizes!) Example: [glyphsets] GlyphSet0=my_workicons,16,16 define glyph set with identifier my_workicons having glyph sizes of 16x16 pixels. [GlyphSetID] defines contents of a glyph set identified by GlyphSetID. section opening (the [id] thing) may be followed by: fixup=[GridWidth],[GridHeight],[OffsetX],[OffsetY] defines, how will be glyphs extracted from source bitmap picture for this glyph set. GridWidth, GridHeight changes virtual grid to specified size. source bitmap space (without the cropping part!) is virtually divided into cells of size GridWidth x GridHeight (pixels). default grid size is equal to glyph set defined sizes. OffsetX, OffsetY when specified, moves the glyph position relatively to grid, respectively. if omitted defaults to 0 or previously specified fixup in this glyph set section.
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Marck, Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:38:01 PM, you wrote: See that last sentence? The converse is that quotation marks *are required* for more than single word macro parameters. Well, I never looked at it that way because it was so obvious... to me, ahem. :-) FWIW, what Maxxx wants to do (I did it a couple of days ago...) is done like this %WRAPPED(70,%COOKIE(c:\cookie.txt)) ...and now there's a quotation mark issue (maybe) - is c:\cookie.txt one word? Apparently not, because it doesn't work with quotation marks. :-) (the hyphen seems to be some kind of separator, or something) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello tbbeta200409203600, Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:54:20 PM, you wrote: Your assumption that this means you may not use parenthesis in single argument macros is still wrong. I never said that, and I never assumed that. I simply understand that the %WRAPPED macro is an exception, thats why it is listed in the helpfile twice - because there is an old version and a new version of it. The new version is feature-enhanced by the limit parameter. Thats perfectly logic and OK to me (others would maybe prefer the new version to be called %WRAPNEW, or whatever). Well, if the macro has more than one parameter - as stated in the helpfile. *SIGH* Wrong interpretation. Why? Its perfectly clear to me when to use parenthesis parameter passing. No guessing. One parameter: do as you please. Two or more parameters: use parenthesis. -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Let the mods moderate (was: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax)
Hello Marck! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 9:06 AM, you wrote: MDP We know you are only trying to help, but we would rather that any MDP offence caused by the posting of another list member be taken up MDP either off-list or (preferably) as a plea to MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] for divine intervention. If MDP behavioral observations are made on-list by non-moderators, it MDP can easily result in further offence being caused and an MDP escalation of the situation instead of a calming down. I apologize, and I will make this my practice in the future. Events subsequent to the comment I made--which is being moderated here--clearly demonstrate that this is a wise ruling. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature wish- allow user to permanently permit session with incomplete SSL/TLS server certs
James Whitmoor wrote: (snip) I disagree, I control my local server and DNS, Redleg controls his local server and DNS. We could happily exchange messages in clear but for privacy would like the option to choose to validate each others certs by external methods. Yes, I know you control your DNS, and Redleg controls his/her. So... I leave your DNS (and Redleg's) alone, and go poison a DNS upstream. All I need is to have the remote user contact MY server first. Easy, unfortunately. And, what is worse, already done, many times over. End result: you will still believe you are all set secure... Of course, this is still rather different from broadcasting -- I would be the only one able to follow your conversations. And, again of course, I might decide it's a good enough conversation to post out to the public. If you have external methods to guarantee the key, then you do not need rootless certificates. In fact (except if you are using self-signed certificates), you do not need TLS/SSL at all. (snip) For private use, personal private verification works fine. Browsers happily let you import a non-CA cert and allow a user an option to do their own choice of verification first. Yes... but you can set yours to at least warn you something (potentially) fishy is going on. Unfortunately, not many of the users do that. Also, I do not like the amount of root certificates given to us, by default, on Windows. But I certainly am *very* careful whenever I get to a site where I receive a certificate that does not match common name, or for which I have no root. However this arguement assumes that I have not met my brother or friend and do not have another method of validation such as voice p2p. Also another thought, I may want to exchange mails with someone I do not trust - however I'd prefer the option to reduce the chance of someone else listening in at least for most of the journey. This is valid only when all parties involved do have other means of certifying each other (like, as you point out, private comm, in loco meetings, etc). This does not apply to open-ended systems, like a HTTP server. And, if you want to exchange secure e-mail with somebody else, all you both need is to generate exchange self-signed public certificates, and make sure both sides encrypt (or, of course, use PGP/GNUPG). An added bonus is signature and non-repudiation. But... you do not need, anymore, channel encryption. It can still be used, but you are not relying on it as the *sole* privacy measure. Please remember that most people (and web sites) use server-only authentication -- you rely on the server for all encryption, authentication, validation, and certification. This is a major part in my worries. If I have to rely on a third party (which I do not personally know), then I want a bit more of safety. Accepting a rootless certificate voids all inherent safety. Also, there are other means of securing a channel on a closed loop (i.e., where the parties know each other). You can use self-signed certificates here without any problems; you can use STS (Station-To-Station) encryption, which is pretty much like TLS/SSL, but without identification information; you can use PGP/GNUPG; etc, etc. TLS/SSL is built to allow you to secure a channel when the parties have *NOT* met, or do not physically know each other. It takes care of the key distribution problem for you. (snip) Cheers, ..hggdh.. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Color coding in 3.0.2.1 does not work
Hi Marcus, MO On Sunday, October 24, 2004, 15:32, Jonas wrote: I can't even assign a color group manually via right click context menu. MO What if you switch to another folder and then back? This does sound MO like the known update bug 3.0.2.1 suffers from. Yes you're right. Changing the folder forth and back solves the problem. OK, let's wait for a fix. -- Regards Michael The Bat! 3.0.2.1 (Professional Edition) on Windows 2000 SP 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Mary! On Monday, October 25, 2004 at 3:10:05 PM you wrote: And that MaXxX's feature request is probably needed--a clarification of the Macro's effects. A wish I wholeheartedly agree with. From what I've read in this thread - before it gets juicy - Maxxx pointed out not a bug or some misunderstanding by his. He just asked for a non-ambiguous and easier macro handling, which could be achieved by a little development of an already existing feature ... -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Alone: In bad company. (Ambrose Bierce) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bug: mainscreen picture missing in help
Hello everyone, when I press F1 while having the focus on the preview panel, I get the help system with a greenish error picture the picture main1.shg is missing! (funny gfx art, tho! *g*) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Horrorgram by Hallucinogen from the album 'The Lone Deranger' Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Alexander! On Monday, October 25, 2004 at 3:27:37 PM you wrote: Wish on. I write my mails the way I like, and I won't let myself be teached by you again, and again in public, remember that. Thank you. Sorry, I don't see teaching in Mary's, just a behest to make it easier for her to read what you meant instead of what she has to interpret. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request You get 15 minutes of fame. Infamy lasts a little longer. (Mike Wallace, put into his mouth by Michael Mann through Christopher Plummer in *The Insider*) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Let the mods moderate (was: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax)
Hello Mary! On Monday, October 25, 2004 at 4:26:06 PM you wrote: I apologize, and I will make this my practice in the future. Oops, sorry for the other comment by me; didn't know that a member's wish for clarity and easier access of other's posts is moderating. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Demokratie entsteht, wenn man nach Freiheit und Gleichheit aller Bürger strebt, die Zahl der Bürger, nicht aber ihren Charakter berücksichtigt. (Aristoteles) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Dierk! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 11:55 AM, you wrote: MB And that MaXxX's feature request is probably needed--a clarification mb of the Macro's effects. DH A wish I wholeheartedly agree with. From what I've read in this thread DH - before it gets juicy - Maxxx pointed out not a bug or some DH misunderstanding by his. He just asked for a non-ambiguous and easier DH macro handling, which could be achieved by a little development of an DH already existing feature ... That was how I read MaXxX, also. If he will write the wish, I will certainly put a note supporting it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Mary, Monday, October 25, 2004, 6:10:05 AM, you wrote: P.S.2 Translated into English, does Xenocryst mean strange crystal? In geology a xenocryst is a crystal foreign to the igneous rock in which it occurs. -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.0.1 RC4 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Let the mods moderate (was: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax)
Hello Dierk! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 12:02 PM, you wrote: MB I apologize, and I will make this my practice in the future. DH Oops, sorry for the other comment by me; didn't know that a DH member's wish for clarity and easier access of other's posts is DH moderating. Of course, I did not intend my comment as moderating. But I do see Marck's point of view, given that Alexander posted back such a hot reply to my comment. I'm going to do my best to cooperate with Marck. If I'm having difficulty understanding the thicket of comments, or if I encounter swearing in posts here that I am reading, I shall appeal directly to Marck for help, in the future. I do thank you from the bottom of my heart for understanding both what MaXxX was trying to say and what I was trying to say, and for posting your understanding on this list. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Dierk! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 11:57 AM, you wrote: ASK Wish on. I write my mails the way I like, and I won't let myself ASK be teached by you again, and again in public, remember that. ASK Thank you. DH Sorry, I don't see teaching in Mary's, just a behest to make it DH easier for her to read what you meant instead of what she has to DH interpret. Thanks, Dierk, for understanding the wish I was expressing. It was not easy to follow this thread, but I was trying to learn more about Macros and to see what MaXxX wished TB! to be doing. I hope he will write his feature-request up formally at BT, so that I can put a note of support to it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug: mainscreen picture missing in help
Hi Alexander, on Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:56:54 +0200GMT, you wrote: ASK when I press F1 while having the focus on the preview panel, I get the help ASK system with a greenish error picture the picture main1.shg is missing! ASK (funny gfx art, tho! *g*) Confirmed. Funny pic indeed... :-) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Terry! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 12:11 PM, you wrote: MB P.S.2 Translated into English, does Xenocryst mean strange MB crystal? TGM In geology a xenocryst is a crystal foreign to the igneous rock TGM in which it occurs. Ah. In some instances, then, a very valuable gem. Thank you so much for helping me understand our fellow-poster's signature. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug: mainscreen picture missing in help
Hello Peter! On Monday, October 25, 2004 at 7:27:23 PM you wrote: Confirmed. Funny pic indeed... :-) Me too; and I love that pic! -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution? Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Anti spam for imap accounts
What anti spam plugin work for imap accounts ?? José carlos Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 7:19:25 PM, Mary Bull jumped on the stage, took a mike and sang: I hope he will write his feature-request up formally at BT, so that I can put a note of support to it. I am currently at it. . Done. Together with a grammar definition. 0.5% chance for it to be used, even if I implement it myself and present to Ritlabs on a silver platter, but what the hell, my brains needed a jog. :P -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Mary, Monday, October 25, 2004, 10:40:35 AM, you wrote: Ah. In some instances, then, a very valuable gem. It would be safe to say only a geologist would find consider a xenocryst of value but even someone who adored rocks would have trouble calling it a gem. -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.0.1 RC4 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Dierk Haasis everyone else 25-Okt-2004 18:57, you wrote: Sorry, I don't see teaching in Mary's, just a behest to make it easier for her to read what you meant instead of what she has to interpret. Just to get this straight - where is the need to interpret anything? I pointed out to MaXxX that he is using the %WRAPPED() macro in a wrong way, and that he should try his experiments again using the macro as stated in the help file (and YES, I did complain that he didn't read my message carefully). During the daily commandline usage I'm used to placing quotation marks around a parameter whenever it contains white spaces, and that I can leave them out otherwise. So TB's parameter passing scheme actually is logical to me. Computers work that way. The commandline interfaces or shells of computers always worked that way for me (there are exception, too), so I did not see the quotation marks issue once the wrong usage of %WRAPPED() would be sorted. Further, it may be overlooked that the general helpfile statement that using either quotemarks or parenthesis for parameter passing is both working equally good (for single parameters, and that is stated in the helpfile as well) has an exception. That exception is the %WRAPPED macro (which has a new and an old version, as I pointed out in my first reply to MaXxX - and thats why it is meantioned in the list of macros in the helpfile twice, with the new and the old syntax) - and thats why MaXxX's experiments failed, if I'm not entirely and terribly mistaken. One may draw the conclusion that the helpfile can be improved regarding that topic, and especially the quotation mark usage, if I understood Marck correctly. Finally, I'm almost expecting to see a MOD: Dead Horse after this reply. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 There was never an idea started that woke men out of their stupid indifference but its originator was spoken of as a crank. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 8:59:50 PM, MaXxX wrote the following words: Done. Together with a grammar definition. 0.5% chance for it to be used, even if I implement it myself and present to Ritlabs on a silver platter, but what the hell, my brains needed a jog. :P https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3980 I forgot to add. :) -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random Broken English: Wearing this does not enable you to fly (on a child's Superman costume). Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
URL Macro BT feature [Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax]
Hello MaXxX! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 1:59 PM, you wrote: MB I hope he will write his feature-request up formally at BT, so MB that I can put a note of support to it. ... M Done. Just now added my supporting note at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3980 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Alexander! On Monday, October 25, 2004 at 9:17:03 PM you wrote: Just to get this straight - where is the need to interpret anything? Her PS was about ironic (she wrote sarcastic) stylistc devices, like the comment about Maxxx at last reading something someone else wrote. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Ist es nicht seltsam, dass Sprachlosigkeit sich immer in TV-Interviews niederschlägt? (Aleks Papst) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Macro quoting madness still present with paranthesis syntax
Hello Dierk Haasis everyone else 25-Okt-2004 21:34, you wrote: Just to get this straight - where is the need to interpret anything? Her PS was about ironic (she wrote sarcastic) stylistc devices, like the comment about Maxxx at last reading something someone else wrote. Anyone is welcome to correct false statements I made about the technical terms discussed. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 When all else is lost, the future remains (Christian Nestell Bovee) Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.01 RC6 blank preview pan
Hello All, Anyone else have trouble with blank preview pane in 3.01 RC6? If so is there a workaround? -- Thanks, Chris Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.01 RC6 blank preview pan
On Monday, October 25, 2004, 21:38, Chris wrote: Anyone else have trouble with blank preview pane in 3.01 RC6? If so is there a workaround? Yes, upgrade. This problem was solved somewhere between RC6 and the release version. But why does your signature show v3.0.2.1 if you are running the old RC6? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.01 RC6 blank preview pan
Hi Chris, on Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:38:22 -0400GMT, you wrote: C Anyone else have trouble with blank preview pane in 3.01 RC6? If so C is there a workaround? Yes, upgrade to 3.01.33 or 3.0.2.1. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195, AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1800MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.01 RC6 blank preview pan
Hello Chris! On Monday, October 25, 2004, 2:38 PM, you wrote: C Anyone else have trouble with blank preview pane in 3.01 RC6? If so C is there a workaround? Reading between-the-lines are you having the kind of difficulties with the current beta that are making you think of dropping back? And you're looking for an earlier beta with not too many problems and for which problems work-arounds were found? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.01 RC6 blank preview pan
Hello All, Monday, October 25, 2004, 4:21:19 PM, you wrote (at least in part): Yes, upgrade. This problem was solved somewhere between RC6 and the release version. Gotcha But why does your signature show v3.0.2.1 if you are running the old RC6? I am running 3.0.2.1 but the only installer I have is for RC6 so I was just going to use it but now I will continue to use 3.0.2.1 I guess. Reading between-the-lines are you having the kind of difficulties with the current beta that are making you think of dropping back? No. Sorry, as I explain above I just had the installer for RC6 but I will now download the 3.01 final since it is fixed and then upgrade the .exe to 3.0.2.1. I guess I just like full installs over upgrades. Hope that doesn't sound to crazy. Thank you, Chris -- Thanks, Chris Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature wish- allow user to permanently permit session with incomplete SSL/TLS server certs
Hello hggdh, Thank you for your detailed reply and pointers, looks like I have a bit more reading to do! -- Best regards, James Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Anti spam for imap accounts
Hello Jose, Monday, October 25, 2004, 9:24:38 AM, you wrote: JC What anti spam plugin work for imap accounts ?? JC José carlos JC JC Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: JC http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html JC IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - JC http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ SpamPal - http://www.spampal.org -- Best regards, Steve TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
most used PGP
Hello All, Is the most used pgp program for the bat the free version located at http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html or is there something else better? I am new to PGP and have only been using the bat for about a month. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- Thanks, Chris Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: batskin.ini file format
On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 3:39:12 PM, a fearless knight known as Maxim Masiutin entered the dragon's lair and exclaimed: it is possible, that .ini will be mutated into a more TheBat! general format soon. I would like to vote a big no to the idea above. With many available file formats appropriate for this task - XML, for example - I would strongly advise against creating a yet another TB! proprietary format for users to learn... -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random church bulletin blooper: Tuesday at 4:00 PM there will be an ice cream social. All ladies giving milk will please come early. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: batskin.ini file format
Hello, MaXxX. You wrote 26.10.2004 @ 8:25 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] using mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional it is possible, that .ini will be mutated into a more TheBat! general format soon. M I would like to vote a big no to the idea above. With many M available file formats appropriate for this task - XML, for example - M I would strongly advise against creating a yet another TB! proprietary M format for users to learn... Hm.. Well. I agree that XML would be much better - and may be even for another purposes inside The Bat!, not only for the mentioned idea (like rogues, for example, or as a text format for the different sorting rules...) -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.1.33 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.7.5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Anti spam for imap accounts
Hello, Steve. You wrote 26.10.2004 @ 4:36 JC What anti spam plugin work for imap accounts ?? ST SpamPal - http://www.spampal.org Disagree. SpamPal is not _plugin_, but external standalone application. For the moment there is no such plugins for The Bat! now. However, every plugin can work with Imap, and it doesn't work only because The bat! doesn't support it. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.1.33 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.7.5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: most used PGP
Chris wrotes on 26/10/2004 at 09:37:19 +1100 subject most used PGP : Hello All, Is the most used pgp program for the bat the free version located at http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html or is there something else better? I am new to PGP and have only been using the bat for about a month. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Yes, this version works quite well. :) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.4 on Windows 2000 Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
HTML Renderer Trying to Access Internet
The attach message tries to contact remote computers. To reproduce: 1. Have a firewall or some other way to watch connections 2. Save the attached message. 3. Import the message into TB! Message base. 4. View Message. At this point, for me, TB! tries to connect to Yahoo servers on port 445 and 139. Can anyone confirm? FYI - I modified the message to protect my identity, I hope. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! News - My Alerts Monday, October 25, 2004, 3:31 AM PDT BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) The EU trade commissioner has proposed lifting punitive tariffs on U.S. goods after Washington repealed illegal corporate tax breaks. Visit Yahoo! News for more details or search for this story on Yahoo! News Search. You received this email because you subscribed to Yahoo! Alerts. Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. If you do not want to receive this alert, use this link to unsubscribe or change the frequency of your delivery. If you have questions, send us feedback by visiting: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/alerts/cgi_beta . If you would like to change or edit your communications preferences for this or other Yahoo! business lines, please visit your Marketing Preferences page. To learn more about Yahoo!'s use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. Yahoo! is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. Copyright 1994-2004 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. ---End Message--- Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: batskin.ini file format
Hello Maxim, Monday, October 25, 2004, 8:39:12 AM, you wrote: MM For those, who may want to add those few missing icons, a file batskin.ini could be MM supplied along with a missing icons only additional file (3 files altogether) MM [bitmaps] MM Bitmap0=glyphs.bmp MM Bitmap1=GlyphBMP-patch.png Do these files exist or do we have to create our own. MM filter-related part of glyphs should look like: MM ; filters in a separate file MM fixup=24,24,0,0 MM bLeft=1,0,0 MM bDown=1,1,0 MM bUp=1,2,0 MM bRight=1,3,0 MM bNewFilter=1,4,0 MM if icons follow in the same order in the GlyphBMP-patch.png Are all these lines just inserted anywhere in the .ini file? -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
On S/MIME -- perhaps old news
Hello folks, I have been trying to show another user how to generate self-signed certificates on TB!. Now, I had never used the TB! S/MIME certificate generator (usually I run openssl to do something like this). so obviously I hit some roadblocks, which were bypassed. All in all, quite easy, even considering that the Help sort of lacks on explanations of what fields should be populated. You either know what you need, or you are on your own. Nevertheless, so far, so good. I then added the brand new self-signed cert to the root, and TB! was happy. But then, when I tried to use this brand new self-signed, I found that if you *already* have a S/MIME certificate, then... you cannot select WHICH S/MIME you want to use. TB! will *ONLY* use the first you added in! It happens I have a Thawte S/MIME certificate, to the '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' account. So, although I could add the self-signed certificate to the same account, there is *NO* way to use it. None. TB! will not let you select WHICH of the S/MIME certificates you want to use. The only way I could get it to work was by removing the Thawte cert from the store. I personally consider this to be a bug -- one should be able to select which, of the (possibly) many different certificates one wishes to use. If I need to keep on adding/deleting certificates from the store, then this is simply not usable. But... since this may impact others I would like to have your input on this. Cheers, -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 pgpiPDb7C0aLj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: On S/MIME -- perhaps old news
Dear Hggdh, @25-Oct-2004, 21:41 -0500 (26-Oct 03:41 UK time) hggdh [H] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to tbbeta: ... snip H ... you cannot select WHICH S/MIME you want to use. TB! will *ONLY* H use the first you added in! That's exactly what the Reset signers... button in the account properties .. Edit personal certificates dialog is for. Enjoy! :-) -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpf70bUtVZKq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature wish- allow user to permanently permit session with incomplete SSL/TLS server certs
Hello Allie, Sunday, October 24, 2004, 5:04:38 PM, you wrote: On Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 2:09:21 PM [GMT -0500], Army Redleg wrote: Understood, *if* these servers are indeed in violation of the Standard... Yes. This is the question for which I don't have an answer. Unless we know the answer, we cannot really make a strong claim either way. Which now begs the question, after searching through various FAQs, standards and proposals (IETF, ANS.1, ISO, etc)- I simply ended up with a headache- swimming eyes and reeling mind... g I know how you feel. I've tried looking up technical information like that and rarely come up feeling enlightened. I usually feel exhausted and frustrated. If you know where I can find this standard (will/must versus may/should), please point me in the general direction. I can't. :) This is why I didn't want to put a foot in too deep. I have found a few things that are of interest- will be posting them in reply to hggdh. Worst thing is I cannot find a Standard so between the user, the server and the software developer there has to be some agreements and as you say the spirit or intent should be honored. funny thing is, my request does honor that :) more in a second or two. -- Most Sincerely, Mark (Army RedLeg) Enjoying TheBat! Professional Edition v.3.0.2.1 on Win2kSP4/PIII-600/512MB. coming to you LIVE!, From Albuquerque g Eric Howes' Protecting Your Privacy Security: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/ Good chance you'll find *all* the goodies here: http://lists.gpick.com/ looking for a nice place off the beaten usenet path? join us: nntp://news.securecomp.org Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: On S/MIME -- perhaps old news
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, Monday, October 25, 2004, 21:52:59, you wrote: MDP That's exactly what the Reset signers... button in the account MDP properties .. Edit personal certificates dialog is for. shame oh boy, oh boy, oh boy /shame :-) -- ..hggdh.. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: public key at pgp.mit.edu iD8DBQFBfb5ZVFMjkob7xf8RAsNeAKCxmWNiONe4g+i/aB/klLs/je1hCACfWpNv 35bRw2aVI/7jrrh37KxSBnQ= =htJr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: batskin.ini file format
Hi, Alexey wrote: I agree that XML would be much better I'm also a strong supporter of XML for this (Firefox and Trillian, if I'm not mistaken, are two examples that use XML based skin descriptions pretty well). Yet, I'm wondering if TB's developers are already beyond a point where this is still an option. Regards, Markus Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: batskin.ini file format
Hello MaXxX! On Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 1:25:58 AM you wrote: I would like to vote a big no to the idea above. With many available file formats appropriate for this task - XML, for example - I would strongly advise against creating a yet another TB! proprietary format for users to learn... Same here. Opera uses very intricate INI files, most other programs XML. Why not, for once, stick with a standard, that is easily manipulated by the user (if necessary)? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. Current beta is 3.0.2.1 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
