Re: Next Beta Series Request

[Claude Renaud]

Hi Maxim,

Le dimanche 15 mai 2005 à 01:24:41, vous écriviez :

MM> Hello Netvicious,

MM> Sunday, May 15, 2005, 2:20:05, you wrote:

>>>Another  direction  could  be  a  better  integration  with  Microsoft
>>>Exchange.
MM> There is currently a bug with exchange that The Bat! doesnt
MM> retrieve messages sometimes. We would fix it.

And other suggestions :

Hi,

  
  I see that there are some people on the list who have difficulties
using tb because they are blind (as me) or poorly sighted, and so
they need to use a screen reader.
As them, I confirm that the NFS of V3.x is not as friendly as the
previous was ...
So a long suggested feature I try to do survive here ... What about
implementting in TB the well known MSAA features ?


And a suggestion related to tb but not especially to beta :

Could it be possible to include on the The Bat! download page
all the related stuffs like :
- links to download sounds for tb,
- token manager for the use of otfe,
- related dlls for the use of biometric authentication,
- help file,

And perhaps I forget other ones ... complete the list if you think
it would be useful (it would be interesting to have that kind of
ressource in order to keep on asking all the time "where could I
download this ...")


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AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Vladimir Yashnikov]

Hello TBBETA,

Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get "Access
violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address
68746F3E".

Can anyone confirm?


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Re: AVs

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 07:40 +0100 Liz wrote about...
AVs:

  Is there
  anyway  to stop that spam filter showing that annoying splash window
  for each and every Email?
Beyesit works?

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Re: AVs

[Liz]

Hi Tony,

In the message  which was 
apparently written on Sunday, May 15, 2005, 9:36:41 AM. I believe you wrote:

TB> Beyesit works?

Well,  it seems to, but then by the time it gets to thebat, its passed
through  spam  assassin  and  spampal  so..  by the time it gets there
hopefully most are done :)

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Re: AVs

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 09:55 +0100 Liz wrote about...
Re: AVs:



> by the time it gets there hopefully most are done :)

I had it working pretty well at one time but it stopped altogether. I use Mailwasher Pro and I never see any spam... Unless the odd one or two get sent to this list :)


-- 

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Re: AVs

[Natasha V Pearce]

Hi Liz and Tony

>>   Is there anyway  to stop that spam filter showing that annoying splash
>>   window for each and every Email?

Go  to  Options | Preferences, select the Protection | Anti-Spam tab, select the
BayesIt!  entry  in the list box to the right, press Configure then select Basic
filter's   options.   You   should  see  a  checkbox  named  "Splash  screen  on
start/exit/waiting".  HTH.  Seems  to work for me - although I don't recall ever
seeing a BayesIt! splash screen. Could just be my memory, though. :)

> Beyesit works?

Works for me.

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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 08:42, Clive Taylor wrote:

> I didn't start from a recent beta, Max, but from the last published
> MSI version (3.2.10 or thereabouts) and there IS an entry
> under this registry branch:
> EXE path g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe

What if you include g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe in quotes? Make
the line look like:

EXE path "g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe"

I suppose you should remove the quotes again if it doesn't help, just to
be sure you haven't changed anything to the worse.

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Re: AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 10:34, Vladimir Yashnikov wrote:

> Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get "Access
> violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address
> 68746F3E".

> Can anyone confirm?

Just tried it some 20 times, but no, I saw no AV. FWIW, it's the same
address as my AVs when cancelling out of the View Mode Editor (see
).

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highlight text to reply to ?

[Xav]

Hello,

I don't know if I am missing something, but is it possible in The Bat
that when replying to a message, you can highlight that part you wish
to respond to, click reply and only the highlighted text appears in
the reply as opposed to the whole message?

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Re: highlight text to reply to ?

[Clive Taylor]

> is it possible in The Bat that when replying to a message, you can
> highlight that part you wish to respond to, click reply and only the
> highlighted text appears in the reply as opposed to the whole
> message?

Highlight the text and hit F4.

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Re: highlight text to reply to ?

[Manuel Breitfeld]

Hello Xav,

just now (on 05/15/2005 at 11:42) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> click reply and only the highlighted text appears in the reply as
> opposed to the whole message?

Yes, this is possible.
Mark the text, which you want to have quoted, right-click -> "message" ->
"reply quoting selected text".
Standard shortcut is "F4".

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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Clive Taylor]

Hello Marcus,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 10:14:17 AM, you wrote:

> What if you include g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe in quotes?

It shouldn't be necessary Marcus. The installed folder information is
the default apart from the drive letter. I don't know enough about the
syntax of setting up a MSI file but this particular one seems to have
problems as previous versions have worked fine here. I reinstalled
3.2.08 from its MSI just two weeks ago and nothing has changed on the
system since.

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Re: highlight text to reply to ?

[Andreas Rumpenhorst]

Hello Manuel,

Du schriebst am Sonntag, 15. Mai 2005 um 11:49:

>> click reply and only the highlighted text appears in the reply as
>> opposed to the whole message?

> Yes, this is possible.
> Mark the text, which you want to have quoted, right-click -> "message" ->
> "reply quoting selected text".
> Standard shortcut is "F4".

There once was an option to quote highlighted text to original sender.
I don't know, where it's gone, I think it was CTRL-Shift-F4 or
something similar. I'd love to have that back.

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Re[2]: highlight text to reply to ?

[Xav]

Hello Manuel,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 10:49:38 AM, you wrote:


> Yes, this is possible.
> Mark the text, which you want to have quoted, right-click -> "message" ->
> "reply quoting selected text".
> Standard shortcut is "F4".

Many thanks Manuel.

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Re[2]: highlight text to reply to ?

[Xav]

Hello Clive,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 10:48:55 AM, you wrote:

> Highlight the text and hit F4.

Thanks.

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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 11:53, Clive Taylor wrote:

>> What if you include g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe in quotes?

> It shouldn't be necessary Marcus. The installed folder information is
> the default apart from the drive letter.

It shouldn't be, but it might. Or I am overestimating the importance of
those quotes, but living in Sweden and having solved computer problems
related to the stupid naming of the Program Folder in the Swedish
Windows version, I tend to take those quotes seriously...

If you run a Swedish version of Windows, the default program folder is
"C:\Program\". Can you imagine how often programs does not care to look
for what is the localised standard and just goes ahead and install in
"C:\Program Files\"? And, if they (which the do oh so often) forget to
include the quotes, can you imagine just how confused Windows is when
looking for eg "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\..." and stumbling across both
"C:\Program\" and "C:\Program Files\"?

How Microsoft could choose that name for the localised Program Folder is
beyond me. But this is highly OT.

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Re: 3.5 - now lost preferences?

[Mic Cullen]

At 22:16 [GMT+0200] on Saturday May 14 (actual time - 4:16am on Sunday in Perth,
Western Australia), you wrote:

MAU> Hello Mic,

>> Can't get the space bar to work for 'next unread', but I'll try some other 
>> stuff
>> in the morning.

MAU> ,- [ On April 19th I wrote in TBBeta: ]
MAU> | It looks like it won't accept some single character shortcuts like
MAU> | "Space" and "Enter", which are my favourite ones BTW to mark a message
MAU> | as Read and Move to next unread. What I did was to assign something
MAU> | like Alt+8 and Alt+9 and then exit TB. I opened tbuser.def with a text
MAU> | editor and changed the string 'Alt+8' to 'Space' and 'Alt+9' to 'Enter'
MAU> | and after restarting TB both are working just fine.
MAU> `-

Brilliant. Best night's work I ever did in my sleep :-)

-- 

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Re: AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Vladimir Yashnikov & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 10:34 you (Vladimir Yashnikov) wrote:

> Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get "Access
> violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address
> 68746F3E".

Yes, I've had that here once, too. It happened after filtering to sender
with ALT+click, change to no threading, ESC to show all messages, and back
to threading with references. I wasn't able to reproduce it so far. *shrug*

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Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello everyone,

when I switch from one threading model to the other and back again, I get a
"viewmode changed" requester when I leave the folder - however, it hasn't
really changed, because everything's just the way it was when I first
entered the folder.

I don't know if this can be avoided, but I find it irritating (the sort of
"hu? what did I do?" irritation).

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Problem with Watch folders

[MAU]

Hello all,

Please see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3932 and the notes I
have just added to it.

Also 

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Re: 3.5 - now lost preferences?

[MAU]

Hello Mic,

> Brilliant. Best night's work I ever did in my sleep :-)

:-))

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Re: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

> when I switch from one threading model to the other and back again, I get a
> "viewmode changed" requester when I leave the folder - however, it hasn't
> really changed, because everything's just the way it was when I first
> entered the folder.
> 
> I don't know if this can be avoided, but I find it irritating (the sort of
> "hu? what did I do?" irritation).

This is one of those non trivial issues with which it is difficult to
have everyone satisfied.

I say it is 'non trivial' because it would perhaps be asking too much
from TB to track any changes (perhaps many) made to a view mode to see
if you have reverted to the 'original state'.

Now, if you make changes and TB saves them without warning the user, we
would all complain. I think that is what happened in the past and that
is why the warning was added.

So what could be the best solution? Perhaps by default not try to save
any changes, and therefore have no warnings, and just include an 'Update
View mode' option/menu entry somewhere and leave it up to the user
remembering to save the changes he/she has made?

I don't know what the answer is because, as with many other issues, it
may depend on how each of us uses view modes. I, for example, have some
8 view modes defined. But once I assign one of them to a folder I hardly
ever change it.

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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Clive Taylor]

> It shouldn't be, but it might.

Just tried it. It didn't work I'm afraid Marcus. Still... worth a try.

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First Impressions

[Avi Yashar]

I think this is the best appearance TB has ever had. But that's a very
superficial observation. I have to admit that I am still missing the
promise of TB Pro that I bought with the 3.x series.

I am a basic user. For the most part, I do with TB what I did - very
stably - with 1.62. I still don't use IMAP - don't know that I ever
will use IMAP - but, while I am glad to hear that IMAP is working
better than ever before, this was promised to us in the 2.x series.
It's just an old debt. With 3.x, particularly 3.x Pro, I expected to
get a better level of security. Unfortunately, I am still waiting for
OTFE. Yes, it might be there already and working quite well, but why
must I do a fresh install to get it? I have settings that I like and a
huge database of mail. A fresh install is a daunting task. Can I
import all of my messages? Can I import my quick templates? Can I
import my familiar settings (some of which I lost with the upgrade to
3.5 and had to struggle to restore - mainly because I could not find
any documentation on the new interface, and - well - good as it may
be, it is also somewhat confusing to locate and set up shortcuts,
especially when the keys have changed and the commands appear in
multiple places).

Okay, I don't want to complain too much. I think this was probably a
needed facelift for TB and the work done is highly commendable. But I
do find it annoying when all of a sudden the Connection Centre opens
in the background and Ctrl-F brings up a refilter dialog box instead
of a search dialog box. And I would dearly like to try the OTFE if
only I could get it without having to start all over again, so to
speak.

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Re[2]: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[NetVicious]

domingo, 15 may 2005 at 14:00, it seems you wrote:

> So what could be the best solution? Perhaps by default not try to save
> any changes, and therefore have no warnings, and just include an 'Update
> View mode' option/menu entry somewhere and leave it up to the user
> remembering to save the changes he/she has made?

This option exists now.

Right click on the table headers of the Messages List and you have one
option that says. Save viewmode to

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Re: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 13:09, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> when I switch from one threading model to the other and back again, I
> get a "viewmode changed" requester when I leave the folder - however,
> it hasn't really changed, because everything's just the way it was
> when I first entered the folder.

> I don't know if this can be avoided, but I find it irritating (the
> sort of "hu? what did I do?" irritation).

I agree, it's a "hu? what did I do" kind of irritation, but as MAU has
pointed out, this is 'non trivial'. Tracking changes made to a view mode
I think would be asking to much of TB!, but maybe it could track changes
from one view mode to another.

However, the way it works now is so much better than how it used to be.
This email is mostly my way of saying: If you (Ritlabs) listen to
Alexander, at least do not restore the behaviour to how it used to be!

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Re: AVs

[NetVicious]

domingo, 15 may 2005 at 08:40, it seems you wrote:

> (Is there
>   anyway  to stop that spam filter showing that annoying splash window
>   for each and every Email? Does it really load it each and every time
>   not  just hold on to it while thebat is open?) I have a few rules to
>   place mails such as these into folders.

Which plugins do you have installed in your machine?

BayesIt!  only  shows here a splash screen when I start TB! and when I
close  TB!.  And this splashscreen could be deactivated in the plugins
preferences.

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Re: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[MAU]

Hello NetVicious,

> This option exists now.
> 
> Right click on the table headers of the Messages List and you have one
> option that says. Save viewmode to

Thanks, I forgot or not seen that one. :)

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Re: AVs

[Liz]

Hi NetVicious,

In the message  which was 
apparently written on Sunday, May 15, 2005, 3:19:10 PM. I believe you wrote:

N> Which plugins do you have installed in your machine?

Just the bayes one.

N> BayesIt!  only  shows here a splash screen when I start TB! and when I
N> close  TB!.  And this splashscreen could be deactivated in the plugins
N> preferences.

So has been said, its now gone. Im much happier now


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Re: Customisable Interface - Public Recognition to Valerye Bostan

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Maxim,

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 1:31:35 AM Maxim [MM] wrote:

MM>   I'd like to make public recognition to Valerye Bostan
MM> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who has invented the Customisable User
MM> Interface for The Bat! ...

So I'd say a "Heartily Welcome!" to Valerye and tune into the "Thanks
you" chorus :-) (Albeit an importer of old custom set shortcuts would
have been to good to be true ;-))
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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Clive,

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 8:42:12 AM Clive [CT] wrote:

>> The installer reads HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\ProgramDir

>> All versions of The Bat! except 3.xx betas did create this variable.

CT> I didn't start from a recent beta, Max, but from the last published
CT> MSI version (3.2.10 or thereabouts) and there IS an entry
CT> under this registry branch:
CT> EXE path g:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe

'EXE path' != 'ProgramDir' :-/

First I'd be really interested, why MSI does not create the log file
as ordered by command line parameter.

Second you could try creating a new string value named 'ProgramDir'
with 'G:\Program Files\The Bat!\' as value and try the MSI again. But
if I read the error message correctly (your sent JPGs were quite small
and zooming up made the text visible only very blurry) the problem is
not about "not finding where to install" but (regarded as) "invalid
MSI".

What about re-downloading the MSI, using a different browser and to a
different location (that G:\temp) and trying again?
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Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello all,

I only keep messages in my TBBeta folder for a few months (plus those
messages/threads that I mark to Keep). I'd like to review some of the
discussions we had last summer about NFS but, unfortunately, I did not
keep all of them.

I've downloaded all I could from Gmane but it only goes back to last
November and TBBeta archive on the web is not an option because of
limited search capabilities.

So, if any of you have at least 1 year's worth of TBBeta messages (I
don't care if it is more) and is willing to share it with me, I would
certainly appreciate it. If you can send me your MESSAGES.TBB file (as
ZIP, rar or even raw) by PM I have no problem receiving attachments of
any size. A link for a download will of course also do.

TIA.

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Search using regular expressions

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBBETA,

Either I'm missing something or you can no longer search using regular
expressions. It use to be on the advanced tab, but I don't see it. Am
I missing something or is this by design?  TIA!

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 17:13, MAU wrote:

> So, if any of you have at least 1 year's worth of TBBeta messages (I
> don't care if it is more) and is willing to share it with me, I would
> certainly appreciate it. If you can send me your MESSAGES.TBB file (as
> ZIP, rar or even raw) by PM I have no problem receiving attachments of
> any size.

Is this an outcry for assisted digital suicide? Asking publicly for tons
and tons of megabytes of messages, oh my God!

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

> Is this an outcry for assisted digital suicide? Asking publicly for tons
> and tons of megabytes of messages, oh my God!

No problem, I have my own server with plenty of room in it :)

Anyway, maybe you are right and I should have asked for 'offers' before
actually sending anything.

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IMAP in 3.5

[Alto Speckhardt]

Hi all,

has anyone else experienced - well, I don't even expect "better", so
let's just call it "changed" - behaviour of IMAP with v3.5 as compared
to v3.01?

The new "multiple connections"-option is just dandy. Now, the single
connection to the server doesn't block any more as in v3.01. Instead,
all five connections block. If that's not progress I don't know what
is.

Then of course the icing on the cake is that the "Communications
Center" no longer closes after a "get mail". When closed manually (all
tasks ended, eventually) after a while (a few minutes) the log
complains " server closed connection".

That's it. I'm off to Mulberry.

One last thought to those who have congratulated the RITs for this
release: I can't help but wonder what on earth you are doing with the
program that you deem it worthy of even silence, not even to think of
congratulations? The current state of afairs is hardly worth of being
called RC, yet it is the tenth (!!) of this series! That's pitiful!

Any contradicting opinions?

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Re: AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Alto Speckhardt]

Hi,

VY> Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get
VY> "Access violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read
VY> of address 68746F3E".

VY> Can anyone confirm?

Yes.

Except that for me it occurs not "sometimes" but always when I changed
column with or types and then switch to another folder. There is the
question "View mode changed, save?", after this there is the AV. The
changed view is saved nevertheless, though and TheBat doesn't abort.

If I repeat this with several folders in a row then after a few AVs
there is a "Division by zero" which cascades and can only be made to
vanish by killing the task.

That all apart from the fact that the first message in itself is
wrong: the saved "view mode" was not modified at all, just the
representation of this one folder.

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:13:37 +0200 GMT(5/15/2005, 10:13 AM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote:

> So, if any of you have at least 1 year's worth of TBBeta messages (I
> don't care if it is more) and is willing to share it with me, I would
> certainly appreciate it. If you can send me your MESSAGES.TBB file (as
> ZIP, rar or even raw) by PM I have no problem receiving attachments of
> any size. A link for a download will of course also do.

Well I have pretty much everything from when I first started on TBBETA
which looks like 6/2002. There were a few glitches in my email along
the way, so a few missing pieces. You are looking at over 43,200
messages at about 174 MB per TBB file. HUGE! Using 7-zip with ultra
compression using zip format it is over 35 MB. I don't think my email
through my ISP will handle and I don't rent web space anymore. I do
have web space through my ISP but believe it is max of 10 MB per
account. I'll have to see what I can do.

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Re: Search using regular expressions

[Liz]

Hi Greg,

In the message  which was 
apparently written on Sunday, May 15, 2005, 4:14:18 PM. I believe you wrote:

GS> Either I'm missing something or you can no longer search using regular
GS> expressions. It use to be on the advanced tab, but I don't see it. Am
GS> I missing something or is this by design?  TIA!

I  typed  [Ll]iz  into  the a text [match] search, other than terrible
performance,  and  I mean terrible. It did indeed find. So, Id say its
default now.

However,  I  hope to heavens I wont be using it much it reminded me of
my 286 days.

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Manual re-threading in 3.5

[MAU]

Hello all,

I have just added a note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1226
and would appreciate any support to it.

TIA.

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Greg,

> Well I have pretty much everything from when I first started on TBBETA
> which looks like 6/2002. There were a few glitches in my email along
> the way, so a few missing pieces. You are looking at over 43,200
> messages at about 174 MB per TBB file. HUGE! Using 7-zip with ultra
> compression using zip format it is over 35 MB. I don't think my email
> through my ISP will handle and I don't rent web space anymore. I do
> have web space through my ISP but believe it is max of 10 MB per
> account. I'll have to see what I can do.

Thanks for caring :-)

Would it be too much to ask from you to perhaps just copy the last 12
months (or perhaps just May-2004 to Nov-2004, both included) to a new
folder and then zip it up? :)

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Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available

[Roger Phillips]

Hello 9Val,

Saturday, May 14, 2005, 12:06:44 AM, among other things, you wrote:

9> The Bat! 3.5 is now available from:

9> I'm waiting for first stone ;)

I've   been   away  for  a  couple  of  days,  no  stones  yet!   But
congratulations  to  all  at Ritlabs for a concerted effort to get all
major bugs out before releasing a final version which seems to be very
good.

Good  luck to you with your exams, it must have been very difficult to
prepare for them while working long hours on the new version.


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Do you know which folders are using each of your view modes?

[MAU]

Hello all,

If not, please support https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2584

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Are you tired of making TYPOs in the Subject?

[MAU]

Hello all,

If yes, please support https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1229

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:54:29 +0200 GMT(5/15/2005, 10:54 AM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote:

> Thanks for caring :-)

> Would it be too much to ask from you to perhaps just copy the last 12
> months (or perhaps just May-2004 to Nov-2004, both included) to a new
> folder and then zip it up? :)

I have exported to UNIX type text file, then zipped up to 5 separate
zip files.  You should have received 1 & 2.  3 just finished in the
CC. Let me know if it worked or not.

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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Gleason Pace]

Alto,

> The new "multiple connections"-option is just dandy. Now, the single
> connection to the server doesn't block any more as in v3.01.
> Instead, all five connections block. If that's not progress I don't
> know what is.

I'm currently using 10 concurrent connections.  Occasionally they do
block.  I find that if I right click on the top one and choose delete
from the menu, the rest of them will complete.  TB can now go all
night and not need this treatment in the morning.  3.01 could never do
that.  The "Delete Task" and "Abort All" buttons don't do anything but
clear the display, I find.  Not effective.

Yes, this is much better.  TB is now usable for me.

The clincher is that I can be using other software and have the
message ticker announce a new message.  I can open the message from
the ticker and reply/delete/move it to junk right there.  This is
especially handy since I use the Alt Desk desktop utility with 24
desktops.

> Then of course the icing on the cake is that the "Communications
> Center" no longer closes after a "get mail". When closed manually (all
> tasks ended, eventually) after a while (a few minutes) the log
> complains " server closed connection".

I leave mine open all the time.  Seems that is the best way to stay
aware of what is going on.  I do check mail every 5 minutes.

> That's it. I'm off to Mulberry.

Mulberry is not even close, I think.  Primitive html, no notes
attached to messages.  Primitive message editor.  Those things make it
unusable for me. It is true that Mulberry has the most trouble free
and complete imap implementation available.  They started out as imap
only and added pop later rather than the other way around.  But the
address book is not integrated well enough.  And many other little
nice to have features are not there.

Oh, give me those three little buttons to the right of the To and CC
address fields on the new message editor.  Sorry Mulberry.

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Re[2]: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Gleason Pace]

Greg,

> Well I have pretty much everything from when I first started on
> TBBETA which looks like 6/2002. There were a few glitches in my
> email along the way, so a few missing pieces. You are looking at
> over 43,200 messages at about 174 MB per TBB file. HUGE! Using 7-zip
> with ultra compression using zip format it is over 35 MB. I don't
> think my email through my ISP will handle and I don't rent web space
> anymore. I do have web space through my ISP but believe it is max of
> 10 MB per account. I'll have to see what I can do.

Here is an idea.  I could send you a guest pass from Magic Vortex file
delivery service.  You could send it to me, and I could send it to
him.  I guess there is a way to discover real email addresses from the
list, but I haven't found it yet.  I will need those for both of you.

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Greg,

> I have exported to UNIX type text file, then zipped up to 5 separate
> zip files.  You should have received 1 & 2.  3 just finished in the
> CC. Let me know if it worked or not.

Got the 5 of them. Thanks so much, I owe you 5 beers.

You were smart, weren't you? I you had sent only one ZIP I'd probably
said I owed you _one_ beer ;-)

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:42:35 +0200 GMT(5/15/2005, 11:42 AM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote:

>> I have exported to UNIX type text file, then zipped up to 5 separate
>> zip files.  You should have received 1 & 2.  3 just finished in the
>> CC. Let me know if it worked or not.

> Got the 5 of them. Thanks so much, I owe you 5 beers.

> You were smart, weren't you? I you had sent only one ZIP I'd probably
> said I owed you _one_ beer ;-)

I don't know about that.  What are you looking for that you can't ask
on TBBETA?

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Greg,

> What are you looking for that you can't ask on TBBETA?

I'd just like to re-read some of the discussions we had about NFS last
summer, didn't you read my first message? ;-)

> I'd like to review some of the discussions we had last summer about
> NFS but, unfortunately, I did not keep all of them.

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Gleason,

> Here is an idea.  I could send you a guest pass from Magic Vortex file
> delivery service.  You could send it to me, and I could send it to
> him.  I guess there is a way to discover real email addresses from the
> list, but I haven't found it yet.  I will need those for both of you.

Many thanks, but Greg already sent me the time period I needed.

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Re: Search using regular expressions

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Liz & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 17:47 you (Liz) wrote:

> However,  I  hope to heavens I wont be using it much it reminded me of
> my 286 days.

Glad its not only me who has the feeling that searching has become rather
slow...

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Re: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 16:57 +0300 Avi Yashar wrote about...
First Impressions:

I still don't use IMAP - don't know that I ever
will use IMAP
I thought exactly the same. Reading all the horror stories about it on 
these lists I thought I was happy with POP. But Allie can be a very 
persuasive man and succumb I did, very glad I did too. So much so I bought 
a client who's primary function is IMAP with POP being secondary, the 
opposite of The Bat! I still use TB! for my POP account though and as soon 
as IMAP is perfected in TB! I'll used that instead of Mulberry.

It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but 
IMAP is well worth it.


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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:51:11 +0200 GMT(5/15/2005, 11:51 AM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote:

>> What are you looking for that you can't ask on TBBETA?

> I'd just like to re-read some of the discussions we had about NFS last
> summer, didn't you read my first message? ;-)

I did read it which is why I forwarded TBBETA to you.  :-)


>> I'd like to review some of the discussions we had last summer about
>> NFS but, unfortunately, I did not keep all of them.

What I'm wondering is what is your thought process is now about NFS
which causes you concern to review messages from almost a year ago.
You must have a concern which relates to the current version as it
applies to how things were working or proposed back then, etc.

Maybe the NFS issue you have applies to more than yourself.  :-)

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Re: My first impression of 3.5

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear Marcus,

   -->> Samstag, 14. Mai 2005, 13:38:29:


> ... As a result, I decided to stay with v3.0.1.33 until the release
> of v3.5. Now, the new version is released and I have upgraded. [...]

Thanks for this view on the newly released version. Me too I first
want to congratulate RITlabs- and the Beta Tester Teams for being able
in releasing v3.5 I didn't yet install it but it's downloaded. In the
process of this development I was only side and watching what you guys
and girls had for troubles getting the last Beta cycle going. And as
the days have gone you more and more where able in circling the
problems and narrowing them down to almost zero. Your dialogue where
sometimes such intense that I found within a few days several hundred
postings.

So I'm preparing to install the new version over my present v3.0.1.33.
Just for security reasons: Marcus, did you just install over? Or did
you make a total fresh install?
And here my hopefully not to blunt question: what are now the major
changes from version 3.0.1.33 to v3.5? As Beta Testers are for the
time being Out of work ;)) I hope someone can write a few notes on it.

Many thanks and read you later.


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Re: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marcus Ohlström & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 16:16 you (Marcus Ohlström) wrote:

>> I don't know if this can be avoided, but I find it irritating (the
>> sort of "hu? what did I do?" irritation).

> I agree, it's a "hu? what did I do" kind of irritation, but as MAU has
> pointed out, this is 'non trivial'. Tracking changes made to a view mode
> I think would be asking to much of TB!, but maybe it could track changes
> from one view mode to another.

I don't know if tracking this is difficult or not.

I thought of something simple like, "when entering a folder, copy the
viewmode settings to a $old_viewmode_settings variable", and when leaving a
folder "compare $current_viewmode_settings with $old_viewmode_settings", if
equal no popup, if not equal popup & ask to save it.

OK, I think I left absolutely no doubt that I am not a programmer. :-)

> However, the way it works now is so much better than how it used to be.

Of course! I did not mean to say at all that I do not want this
notification.

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IMAP, Folder Maintenance, and wrong delete count

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hey,

I posted about this before on message
msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and it was suggested to
delete the cache, which seemed to work okay... however, I don't think
it is a good idea to suggest deleting the cache every time something
goes a little haywire.  IMAP is very server-centric, you can get all
the information about a folder from the server, so why isn't TB using
it?

I just went to run folder maintenance, I've not ran it since my last
"incident" with the "Browse deleted messages" showing the whole folder
as deleted items.  Much to my horror AGAIN, when I pull up the
statistics, TB comes back with some rather worrying numbers.

  http://thebat.netdork.net/imap_bad_delete.png

Notice the "Plugins" folder under that list showing 7,745 messages
deleted... That folder NEVER has anything deleted.  In fact, the only
folder in that screen shot that regularly has anything deleted is the
SquirrelMail folder, and possibly the "security" folder.  All the
others are kept, no deletes at all.  So I thought I'd check, and ask
the IMAP server what it thought about the counts...


A02 SELECT "INBOX.SquirrelMail.Plugins"
* FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 7838 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1039283960] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
A02 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok
A03 UID SEARCH DELETED
* SEARCH
A03 OK SEARCH done.

A04 SELECT "INBOX.SquirrelMail.Bugs"
* FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 4417 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1037738101] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
A04 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok

A05 SEARCH DELETED
* SEARCH
A05 OK SEARCH done.

A06 SELECT "INBOX.SquirrelMail.CVS.Devel"
* FLAGS (\Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 3493 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1046110319] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
A06 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok

A07 SEARCH DELETED
* SEARCH
A07 OK SEARCH done.


As you can see from the above paste from a manual communication with
the IMAP server, NONE of the folders in the screen shot with messages
marked for deletion actually have any messages with the \Deleted flag.

I don't think I can accurately rely on the folder maintenance center
if it is returning data like that, and don't think I shall be enabling
the purge and compression of folders on exit if that is what it thinks
is going to happen.

I don't want to delete the cache for that folder, the last folder I
did it on had 500 messages in it, and took about 5 minutes to resync
with the server after I selected it, making TB useless until it had
finished. The queue of other jobs afterwards made TB a pain for the
rest of the day. This folder has nearly 8k emails in it, I don't think
it's worth the attempt. Please, fix the counts, and the caching of
IMAP folders.

This is with RC9.

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Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello George M. Menegakis & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 17:32 you (George M. Menegakis) wrote:

>> 3. try Special | Create Filter

> Confirmed. Under this conditions "Specials/Create Filter" does nothing.

Thank you. The question remains, can this actually be made to work without
the preview pane enabled? Maybe the variables required for filter operation
are only "loaded into some special memory" when the message is actually
displayed on screen.

If this function cannot work without the message being loaded/shown in the
preview pane, the function should be greyed out or hidden from the context
menu IMHO.

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Re: First Impressions

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tony Boom & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 18:57 you (Tony Boom) wrote:

> It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but
> IMAP is well worth it.

Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here
- even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To:
headers. WTF?

Question to everyone: is this only happening to me?

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Greg,

> What I'm wondering is what is your thought process is now about NFS
> which causes you concern to review messages from almost a year ago.
> You must have a concern which relates to the current version as it
> applies to how things were working or proposed back then, etc.
> 
> Maybe the NFS issue you have applies to more than yourself.  :-)

Yes, and I will share it with you all, don't worry. Although what I am
going to say may sound strange, I have a filer that is 'working fine'
and I think it should not do so. That's why, for background information,
I'd like to review the discussions about NFS first.

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Re: My first impression of 3.5

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 22:21, Eddie Castelli wrote:

> So I'm preparing to install the new version over my present v3.0.1.33.
> Just for security reasons: Marcus, did you just install over? Or did
> you make a total fresh install?

I installed right on top, to let TB! preserve as many of my
customisations as possible.

> And here my hopefully not to blunt question: what are now the major
> changes from version 3.0.1.33 to v3.5? As Beta Testers are for the
> time being Out of work ;)) I hope someone can write a few notes on it.

See http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=781

"Fully customizable user interface" is much more than it sounds like.
It's a totally new GUI and it works, IMHO, a lot smoother than the old
one. Things just - well, looks and feels like they should. Many of the
old quirks are gone, finally. To the cost of a few ones added, of
course, but on balance, the new GUI is heck of a lot nicer.

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Re: Minor irritation: "viewmode changed" requester

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 19:04, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> I thought of something simple like, "when entering a folder, copy the
> viewmode settings to a $old_viewmode_settings variable", and when
> leaving a folder "compare $current_viewmode_settings with
> $old_viewmode_settings", if equal no popup, if not equal popup & ask
> to save it.

I understood that's what you meant and it shouldn't be to hard to
implement. Don't forget to make a BT record out of this if Ritlabs
doesn't reply directly. And let us know, I will support it.

> OK, I think I left absolutely no doubt that I am not a programmer. :-)

I am not convinced. But then again, I haven't touched a compiler for
many years :-) (not since I needed a utility to rename my TB! backups
according to current date)

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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 19:15, MAU wrote:

> Although what I am going to say may sound strange, I have a filer that
> is 'working fine' and I think it should not do so. That's why, for
> background information, I'd like to review the discussions about NFS
> first.

Do I smell the word 'sub-filter'? :-)

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Re: First Impressions

[Clive Taylor]

> It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral
> thinking but IMAP is well worth it.

Actually, I find that IMAP has simplified my email life. No juggling
of message bases, no danger of different email clients in different
locations being out of sync, no danger that a HD crash will destroy a
year's messages - and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring
dependability (although this version of TB is better by far than
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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

>> Although what I am going to say may sound strange, I have a filer that
>> is 'working fine' and I think it should not do so. That's why, for
>> background information, I'd like to review the discussions about NFS
>> first.
> 
> Do I smell the word 'sub-filter'? :-)

No, that's a different issue still not solved. Is something dealing with
the order of 'execution' of some actions.

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Re: 3.5: MSI default path

[Clive Taylor]

Hello Peter,

> What about re-downloading the MSI, using a different browser and to a
> different location (that G:\temp) and trying again?

Sorry about the JPEGs - it was too early in the morning for creative
finesse!

Someone posted a message in TBUDL
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] about installer issues and
recommended deleting the relevant registry key. This solved my problem
and the installer ran perfectly. Don't you just love Windows!

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Re: First Impressions

[Clive Taylor]

> and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring dependability

I meant reliability. Too long a word for Sunday afternoon!

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Re[2]: First Impressions

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Alexander,
Sunday, May 15, 2005, 12:14:56 PM, you wrote:

>> It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but
>> IMAP is well worth it.

ASK> Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here
ASK> - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To:
ASK> headers. WTF?

ASK> Question to everyone: is this only happening to me?

No  I  am  seeing  it  also.  If  you  look  at  the  References:  and
In-Reply-To:  they  are  not  enclosed  in  <>  which  seems to be the
difference. No clue what the cause would be.

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Re: First Impressions

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

>> It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral thinking but
>> IMAP is well worth it.
> 
> Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded here
> - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To:
> headers. WTF?
> 
> Question to everyone: is this only happening to me?

Yes, his messages are unthreaded because the MIDs in References: and
In-Reply-To: are _not_ surrounded by <..>.

Certainly a Mulberry bug :)


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Re: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 19:45, MAU wrote:

>> Do I smell the word 'sub-filter'? :-)

> No, that's a different issue still not solved. Is something dealing with
> the order of 'execution' of some actions.

Ah, that one. Tried to recapitulate the discussions about the NFS last
summer and 'sub-filter' was what first sprung to my mind.

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Re[2]: AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Vladimir Yashnikov]

Hi Alexander, 
On  Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 13:05:21 GMT +0200, 15:05 my local time,  
you wrote about "AV when change View Mode (sometimes)":

>> Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get "Access
>> violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address
>> 68746F3E".

> Yes, I've had that here once, too. It happened after filtering to sender
> with ALT+click, change to no threading, ESC to show all messages, and back
> to threading with references. I wasn't able to reproduce it so far. *shrug*

In any case thanks for confirmation. :)


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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 17:24 +0200 Alto Speckhardt wrote about...
IMAP in 3.5:

That's it. I'm off to Mulberry.
Ã've been using Mulberry since Friday and after spending all Friday 
afternoon and all day Saturday wresting with the rules and filters, I think 
I'm getting to grips with it.

Any contradicting opinions?
I was hoping to see more positive remarks regarding TB's IMAP ability so I 
could return to using it full time... I miss MicrEd, ALT+L and templates.

Cest la vie.
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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 09:28 -0700 Gleason Pace wrote about...
Re: IMAP in 3.5:

Sorry Mulberry.
Don't apologise, I'm using Mulberry purely for IMAP, but like you say, The 
Bat! it certainly ain't.


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Re[2]: IMAP in 3.5

[Tero Ripattila]

Hello Tony,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 9:11:53 PM, you [TB] wrote:

TB> I was hoping to see more positive remarks regarding TB's IMAP ability so I
TB> could return to using it full time... I miss MicrEd, ALT+L and templates.

I've been using Mulberry as my primary IMAP client since version 3.1.6
was released and it's really nice client. But just like you, I find
myself missing TB! a lot thought it's IMAP support is not that good as
Mulberry's. Actually I use both of these clients simultaneously where I
can.

Personally I'm running TB! rather smoothly these days. Of course there
appears some clitches every now and then, but I still find TB! usable.
Certainly I cannot use any of these automatic features like When
on-line, refresh every n minutes, Allow up to n connections and so on,
but I can live with it. Perhaps you should consider turning of these
automatic features too?

BTW, what IMAP daemon are you or your ISP running? I'm running Dovecot
1.0-test70 on my servers.

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Re: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 19:14 +0200 Alexander S. Kunz wrote about...
--Re: First Impressions:
Tony, none of your messages sent with the Mulberry mailer are threaded
here - even though they *do* contain both the References: and In-Reply-To:
headers. WTF?
I have no idea Alex. I'm just replying in the usual way. I'm very new to 
this IMAP lark and Mulberry in particular so maybe I am doing something 
wrong or there's a ticky box somewhere I need to tick.

Question to everyone: is this only happening to me?
Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know 
that as well?

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Re: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 18:38 +0100 Clive Taylor wrote about...
Re: First Impressions:

and with Mulberry a stress-free, almost boring
dependability
OH if that were true. I'm getting double of every single message from 
TBBETA, TBUDL and TBOT.

How about an off list lesson for me if you have time?
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Re[2]: First Impressions

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Tony,
Sunday, May 15, 2005, 1:32:18 PM, you wrote:

TB> Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know
TB> that as well?

Funny  your  message threaded this time. I guess because at least part
of the References: had <>.

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Re: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 19:50 +0200 MAU wrote about...
Re: First Impressions:

Certainly a Mulberry bug :)
Not sure it is a bug but don't take my word for that. When I reply Mulberry 
gives me a choice or three email addresses, the list, the sender and 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only address that is contained in <> is the actual senders address and 
I  don't think people would appreciate my replies going to personal 
addresses all the time.

Not sure what I can do about it but I'll have a read up... God I miss 
templates!

My apologies to all.

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Opening a View Folder by pressing enter

[Marcus Ohlström]

As before, it is possible to open a View Folder by highlighting a
message and pressing enter. Now, however, hitting enter while focus is
on the folder list pane does the same thing. This I really like,
shortcuts doing different things depending on what was in focus could be
a real pain. A small but great improvement.

But, this only works for regular folders, not for VFs. When viewing a
VF, enter still has different meanings depending on where focus is. It's
not only inconsistent in itself, now it's also inconsistent with the
(better) way regular folder are treated.

I've browsed through the customiser but could not find any way to
correct this behaviour. Does any of you know where to look?

Or is this part of the small but annoying bug that I cannot invoke the
Maintenance Centre when focusing a VF?

I see several Folder menu items are greyed out when I focus a VF instead
of a regular folder. In some cases I believe they should be (Remove
Duplicates, Compress). In others, I do understand that implementing
those features would take quite some time (Empty..., Browse Deleted
Message, Check For Viruses) although I would highly appreciate if they
were implemented. But there is a third category of menu items being
greyed out without any (apparent) reason. This is Browse, Maintenance
and Copy Column Settings to...

Please, un-grey those options. It's even now possible to browse a VF,
just not by selecting Browse from the Folder menu. And there is probably
no reason why I should not be able to invoke the Maintenance Centre from
a VF, but that I can't know for sure, only Ritlabs does. Finally,
copying column settings can't be that much different when focus is on a
VF. Remember we can copy column settings *to* a VF, why should we not be
able to copy it *from* a VF?

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Re: Re[2]: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 13:45 -0500 Stuart Cuddy wrote about...
Re[2]: First Impressions:

Funny  your  message threaded this time. I guess because at least part
of the References: had <>.
Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please?
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Re[4]: First Impressions

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Tony,
Sunday, May 15, 2005, 2:03:02 PM, you wrote:

TB> Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please?

Not  correctly.  It  threaded under the message that I had replied to,
not  to my reply. Oddly it also is not filtered correctly on my end. I
have  a  filter  that  changes  the  color  based on mts.net being in the
References. It is there, just not enclosed in <>.

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Re: First Impressions

[Greg Strong]

Hello Tony,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:03:02 +0100 GMT(5/15/2005, 2:03 PM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Boom wrote:

>> Funny  your  message threaded this time. I guess because at least part
>> of the References: had <>.

> Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please?

No unless I have setting wrong.  I have View | View threads by |
selected References (Standard).  Your message appears to be threaded
against your original and it should be to Stuart's per
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See PNG attached.

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Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available

[Liz]

Hi Alexander,

In the message  which was 
apparently written on Sunday, May 15, 2005, 6:08:57 PM. I believe you wrote:

ASK> If this function cannot work without the message being loaded/shown in the
ASK> preview pane, the function should be greyed out or hidden from the context
ASK> menu IMHO.

Rather  than  that,  the preview should be done without being shown so
the variables are loaded and it can work. No reason why it shouldnt.


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Re: Opening a View Folder by pressing enter

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

> Now, however, hitting enter while focus is on the folder list pane
> does the same thing. This I really like, shortcuts doing different
> things depending on what was in focus could be a real pain. A small
> but great improvement.

Not here. hitting Enter while on the folder list will Expand/Collapse a
folder branch if the folder has sub-folders or nothing at all if the
folder has no sub-folders.

> And there is probably no reason why I should not be able to invoke the
> Maintenance Centre from a VF, but that I can't know for sure, only
> Ritlabs does.

Although I am in general agreement with what you say, I think some cases
are... which word should I use?... perhaps 'not so important'. For
example the case you mention about invoking Maintenance from a VF. I
mean, I don't know how many times a day you or others run Maintenance. I
only do it once a day prior to doing a backup and I am perfectly
satisfied if Maintenance can be called from a single point in the top
menus.

As a matter of fact, one of the main reasons why I am satisfied with the
new Customise is that it has allowed me to make all/most context menus
much shorter by only including the options that I really use quite
frequently.

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Re: First Impressions

[Tony Boom]

--On 15 May 2005 14:15 -0500 Greg Strong wrote about...
Re: First Impressions:

See PNG attached.
I don't know what to do honest!
Anyone on here familiar with Mulberry? Off list maybe? In a word... HELP!

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Re: Re[2]: First Impressions

[Avi Yashar]

On 5/15/05, Tony Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --On 15 May 2005 13:45 -0500 Stuart Cuddy wrote about...
> Re[2]: First Impressions:
> 
> > Funny  your  message threaded this time. I guess because at least part
> > of the References: had <>.
> 
> Can you tell me if this one gets threaded OK please?

And just a few messages back someone was talking about well-worth-it,
stress-free reliability! ;-p Well, I know POP3, and I have not worried
about losing messages since I started storing everything on - gasp -
Gmail. I never worry about disk space, and I also don't worry about
crashes. I suppose a crash could happen, but then I would have
millions of people to share my misery if it did.

Anyway, as I mentioned in my original message, a stable IMAP was the
promise of TB2.x. TB3.xPro is supposed to provide OTFE, and I would
really like a way to get that without having to do a clean install.

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Re: First Impressions

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Stuart Cuddy & everyone else,

on 15-Mai-2005 at 20:45 you (Stuart Cuddy) wrote:

TB>> Alex has me very worried that I'll upset someone now so I'd like to know
TB>> that as well?

> Funny  your  message threaded this time. I guess because at least part
> of the References: had <>.

The correct reference header is the one that was added when I replied.
Mulberry seems to copy existing ref.-headers "as-is", but create new
ref.-headers without the <> brackets. That explains why they are linked to
the wrong messages by TB.

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Re: Opening a View Folder by pressing enter

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 21:23, MAU wrote:

>> Now, however, hitting enter while focus is on the folder list pane
>> does the same thing. This I really like, shortcuts doing different
>> things depending on what was in focus could be a real pain. A small
>> but great improvement.

> Not here. hitting Enter while on the folder list will Expand/Collapse
> a folder branch if the folder has sub-folders or nothing at all if the
> folder has no sub-folders.

That is what happens if I hit enter while focusing a VF, but not when
focusing a regular folder. Did you try this with a VF or with a regular
folder?

>> And there is probably no reason why I should not be able to invoke the
>> Maintenance Centre from a VF, but that I can't know for sure, only
>> Ritlabs does.

> Although I am in general agreement with what you say, I think some
> cases are... which word should I use?... perhaps 'not so
> important'.

I appreciate your politeness :-)

> For example the case you mention about invoking Maintenance from a VF.
> I mean, I don't know how many times a day you or others run
> Maintenance. I only do it once a day prior to doing a backup and I am
> perfectly satisfied if Maintenance can be called from a single point
> in the top menus.

I purge and compress my message base plenty of times every day, perhaps
unnecessarily often, but I'm used to it and haven't seen a reason not
to. And I read almost all my messages from a singular VF, setup similar
to the MTVF. That's why I noticed, maybe I should just shut up and
adjust my behaviour...:-)

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Re: Opening a View Folder by pressing enter

[MAU]

Hello Marcus,

>> Not here. hitting Enter while on the folder list will Expand/Collapse
>> a folder branch if the folder has sub-folders or nothing at all if the
>> folder has no sub-folders.
> 
> That is what happens if I hit enter while focusing a VF, but not when
> focusing a regular folder. Did you try this with a VF or with a regular
> folder?

I get the same behaviour whether normal or VF, no difference.

> I purge and compress my message base plenty of times every day, perhaps
> unnecessarily often, but I'm used to it and haven't seen a reason not
> to. And I read almost all my messages from a singular VF, setup similar
> to the MTVF. That's why I noticed, maybe I should just shut up and
> adjust my behaviour...:-)

It's clear that each of us (each user, not just your and me) uses TB in
a quite different way. That's why it's so hard for RIT guys to satisfy
everybody. :)

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Re: Customizing the Toolbar?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, May 14, 2005, 11:55:16 PM, you wrote:

RO> I picked as action 'Mark as Junk' and 'Mark as not junk'

I didn't try that since I prefer K9 above this 1-mailer specific product
(which I, consequently, didn't install).

RO>   They can be found at MsgCtl
RO>   Select the action and press the button with the arrow to the right,
RO>   this will add it to the toolbar.

Tried it with "RemindLaterItems". You can see the ugly result of that attempt
in the attached gif. Surely I must have done something the new
"customise"-thing wasn't developed for, or I simply did it the wrong way.

I suppose this second attempt will also be my last one. I still fail
to see how this version could improve my working-conditions.

I hope that at least those who were longing for this customisation are happy
with it.

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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 10:24:41 AM [GMT -0500], Alto Speckhardt
wrote:

> has anyone else experienced - well, I don't even expect "better", so
> let's just call it "changed" - behaviour of IMAP with v3.5 as compared
> to v3.01?

I've been experiencing much better here.

> The new "multiple connections"-option is just dandy. Now, the single
> connection to the server doesn't block any more as in v3.01. Instead,
> all five connections block. If that's not progress I don't know what
> is.

I'm using 2 connections here just fine. I've noted that if I use 4 or 6,
only 2 connections are being used at a time anyway. So I use 2 and still
have the same performance.

> One last thought to those who have congratulated the RITs for this
> release: I can't help but wonder what on earth you are doing with the
> program that you deem it worthy of even silence, not even to think of
> congratulations? The current state of afairs is hardly worth of being
> called RC, yet it is the tenth (!!) of this series! That's pitiful!

Our experiences differ. It's not that we're using the program to
do anything other than read/filter our mail and reply etc. as needed.

How TB! IMAP behaves for you is just different. Pity that the reliable
and much improved experience of others like myself can't be seen by you.

Note that I can't duplicate this experience at work where I have a
slower connection. I get frequent server disconnects.

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Re: My first impression of 3.5

[Mark Partous]

Hello Marcus,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 7:18:28 PM, you wrote:

MO> the new GUI is heck of a lot nicer.

De gustibus et coloribus non disputandum est... :-)

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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 11:28:46 AM [GMT -0500], Gleason Pace wrote:

> I'm currently using 10 concurrent connections.

Do you really get a better performance with 10 as opposed to 4 or even 2
connections? Just curious.

> I leave mine open all the time.  Seems that is the best way to stay
> aware of what is going on.  I do check mail every 5 minutes.

I've been experiencing reliable operations here for 48 hours going. No
forced restarts or AV's. This is truly remarkable and unprecedented
since I started using IMAP and TB!

> Mulberry is not even close, I think.

With non-protocol specific features, TB! is definitely better by a long
margin. However, Mulberry does do some things better, IMO. This is why I
find it so easy to use Mulberry at the office. I really like both
applications since they are special in their own ways.

> Primitive html,

Agreed.

> no notes attached to messages. Primitive message editor.

I like Mulberry's editor. I'm not sure why you call it primitive. :) The
spell checker is great. I didn't think I'd find a spellchecker as good
as TB!'s in another editor.

>  It is true that Mulberry has the most trouble free
> and complete imap implementation available.

For an IMAP user, this comes first and *always*. Until TB!'s IMAP
started working for me, all its other nice features became useless. I
couldn't get to them. In fact, though TB!'s IMAP works well at home
here, I know it's because I have a lot of bandwidth to overwhelm any
problems I'd still have using a slower connection. Mulberry overtakes
TB! here since I get to read/filter and do simple mail management
efficiently at work. What's the use of message labelling if I can't get
at the messages to label them in the first place? :)

> They started out as imap only and added pop later rather than the
> other way around. But the address book is not integrated well enough.
> And many other little nice to have features are not there.

True. But as long as their IMAP protocol implementation remains as
stellar as it currently is, there'll always be the faithful users, since
you have a weak client without the *foundations* of a solidly implemented
protocol behind it. RIT know this and seem to be working at it as
evidenced by their progress.

However, there's still work to be done yet. I'm still using Mulberry
while preferring TB! for so many other reasons. :)


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Re: First Impressions

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 12:50:47 PM [GMT -0500], Miguel Urech wrote:

> Certainly a Mulberry bug :)

Odd. I don't experience that bug with messages I send using Mulberry.

Anyway, that's for another list. :)

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Re: First Impressions

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 12:38:45 PM [GMT -0500], Clive Taylor wrote:

>> It takes a little getting used to and a fair amount of lateral
>> thinking but IMAP is well worth it.

Nice testimony from Tony. :)

> Actually, I find that IMAP has simplified my email life.

Same here. My only regret is my failure for not migrating to using the
protocol earlier.

Anyone who uses more than one computer and as a result, read their mail
from more than one machine on a regular basis, should consider using this
protocol. This may be multiple machines in your home (that's me), or
machines at home and at work (that's also me). It *amazingly* simplifies
things and increases your flexibility. With POP, I tended to resist
using multiple machines or reading mail from multiple locations because
of the potential hassles and hoop jumping involved in doing so.

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Re: IMAP in 3.5

[Gary]

Hi Allie,

On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:16:58 -0500 UTC (5/15/2005, 4:16 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Allie Martin wrote:

A> I've been experiencing reliable operations here for 48 hours going. No
A> forced restarts or AV's. This is truly remarkable and unprecedented
A> since I started using IMAP and TB!

Same experience here, except given the occasion not being able to read
message bodies, and I have solved the jumping message list by turning off
"when on line, refresh folders every x minutes" Doing this still refreshes
the inbox without the jumping, which leads to some messages not being
loaded. So this is pretty much solved. Otherwise, my mail operation with
TB!, on all levels, has been most pleasant. :)



A> However, there's still work to be done yet.

yes, some more fine tuning, and adding NAMESPACE and ACLs.

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Re: First Impressions

[Allie Martin]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 1:44:37 PM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote:

> Not sure it is a bug but don't take my word for that. When I reply Mulberry
> gives me a choice or three email addresses, the list, the sender and 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This isn't what they're referring to. It's your In-Reply-to headers.
Would you check the messages in your Sent Folder. See if they
In-Reply-to headers have the message id enclosed in <>.

For me, they are.

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Re[2]: Next Beta Series Request

[Tero Ripattila]

Hello NetVicious,

Sunday, May 15, 2005, 2:20:05 AM, you [N] wrote:

N> Another  direction  could  be  a  better  integration  with  Microsoft
N> Exchange. I think there is no substitute (in Linux it exist Evolution)
N> of   Microsoft  Outlook  with  a  perfect  integration  with  Exchange
N> (schedule, meetings, tasks to do). This integration could add a lot of
N> enterprise customers on the list of possible TB! users.

I totally agree with you. I can easily name numerous companies that
would be interested in having an alternative windows-based
exchange-client.

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Re: AV when change View Mode (sometimes)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Sunday, May 15, 2005, 11:23, Marcus Ohlström wrote:

>> Sometimes when I change View Mode (from Alt+1 to Alt+0) I get "Access
>> violation at address 00AE237B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address
>> 68746F3E".

>> Can anyone confirm?

> Just tried it some 20 times, but no, I saw no AV. FWIW, it's the same
> address as my AVs when cancelling out of the View Mode Editor (see
> ).

Don't know if it is related, but when just exiting a View Folder, after
changing the column width, and answering no to the question whether I
wanted to save the new settings, I got an AV at address 00AE237B. Not
exactly the same, but maybe relevant.

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Re: Next Beta Series Request

[Tero Ripattila]

Hello Graham,

Thursday, May 12, 2005, 11:38:43 AM, you [FG] wrote:

FG> I'd like the development team to focus on re-engineering the
FG> addressing, address lookup and message compose UI, and these are my
FG> specific requests :-

I'd be very happy to see these address related enhancements implemented
during this upcoming beta round.

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