Re[6]: Exchange Usability
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : V Hello Goncalo, In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. V Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, V rename and attach again. Do you see yourself doing that several times a day? V I offered a workaround with this. So my answer is short: you can V complain or try to make the things work. You're avoiding my question. I didn't argue about your good will or that you weren't providing a work around, it's just excessive work to do something that should be simple. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias ASCII and it shall be given unto you. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ASK On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:10 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not create a filter that does so on a hotkey? ASK I appreciate the creativity in seeking for workarounds for the ASK problem, but no matter how hard you try, it'll still be a ASK workaround. :-) I FULLY agree with you Alex. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias He who worships Divine Duck will soon sing swan song. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[7]: Exchange Usability
Hello Goncalo, In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. V Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, V rename and attach again. Do you see yourself doing that several times a day? V I offered a workaround with this. So my answer is short: you can V complain or try to make the things work. You're avoiding my question. I didn't argue about your good will or that you weren't providing a work around, it's just excessive work to do something that should be simple. No, I dont do it several times a day. I do it 2-3 times, if necessary. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005 @ 9:49:02 PM [-0700], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Ok. I guess my response then is UNCONFIRMED. Works for me. :) Forward me any HTML message *inline*, please. Thats the whole point. You hit fwd and the HTML editor opens? That doesn't happen. TB can't do that. When you hit fwd on an HTML message, no matter what you do, you'll get an attachment, either .EML or the original HTML message, and a plaintext message in your editor. Even if your default editor is the HTML editor. Do the same in Thunderbird, M2, Outlook, whatever you'll have the original HTML message in the editor. That is called *inline* forwarding, and that what I said that I hope to eventually get in TB in my very first message in this thread. Until that happens, the least I expected when dealing with Exchange was... blabla, I repeat myself over and over, this is getting boring. Sorry. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matt Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hallo Alexander, On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:51:55 +0200GMT (11-7-2005, 23:51 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I just timed the process and I saved the message and forwarded it to myself as a .msg file in about 12 seconds. ASK Come on, I bet you can do it in 11! :-) Why not create a filter that does so on a hotkey? -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows:(n.)3. The solution to a problem that didn't exist. The Bat! 3.51 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpFhSugGAOwZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:15:10 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just timed the process and I saved the message and forwarded it to myself as a .msg file in about 12 seconds. ASK Come on, I bet you can do it in 11! :-) Why not create a filter that does so on a hotkey? I appreciate the creativity in seeking for workarounds for the problem, but no matter how hard you try, it'll still be a workaround. :-) -- Greetings Alex. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Exchange Usability
Hello, TB forwards HTML messages as .EML by default - can this be changed? Background: in an Exchange environment, its very likely that Outlook is the main email client. However, Outlook doesn't open .EML, but .MSG (which is the same thing, of course). The problem is that .EML is associated with Outlook *Express* in a standard Windows configuration. So, everyone in our organisation who gets an HTML forward from me (when I dare to use TB) receives the message in Outlook, doubleclicks the attachment and, hooray, Outlook Express opens... *ouch* -- Best regards, Alexander mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello all, Monday, July 11, 2005, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: TB forwards HTML messages as .EML by default - can this be changed? Background: in an Exchange environment, its very likely that Outlook is the main email client. However, Outlook doesn't open .EML, but .MSG (which is the same thing, of course). The problem is that .EML is associated with Outlook *Express* in a standard Windows configuration. So, everyone in our organisation who gets an HTML forward from me (when I dare to use TB) receives the message in Outlook, doubleclicks the attachment and, hooray, Outlook Express opens... *ouch* when was .MSG used before, *many* users asked to change it to EML, because OE users are unable to see MSG attachments sent by TB, because OE is unable to display that, only EML is allowed. And now, what You want to do? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
Hello Marek, Monday, July 11, 2005, 12:36:41 PM, you wrote: when was .MSG used before, *many* users asked to change it to EML, because OE users are unable to see MSG attachments sent by TB, because OE is unable to display that, only EML is allowed. OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. And now, what You want to do? I want to do nothing, I'm not the programmer. :-) I just said that it is a bit paradox to offer Exchange connectivity and NOT use the Exchange default client's format for HTML forwards. Nevertheless, I *still* hope that some day we will get real HTML forwarding (ie. not as an attachment)... -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Alexander, On 11-07-2005 13:26, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK Nevertheless, I *still* hope that some day we will get real HTML ASK forwarding (ie. not as an attachment)... Me too - as people are sending me HTML mail here at work. Never use the thing myself. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.51 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 7:32 AM Hi Marek, On 7/11/2005 Marek Mikus wrote: MM when was .MSG used before, *many* users asked to change it to EML, MM because OE users are unable to see MSG attachments sent by TB, because MM OE is unable to display that, only EML is allowed. MM And now, what You want to do? As part of the IMAP setup offer an option to change the file extension. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Exchange Usability
Hello Alexander, when was .MSG used before, *many* users asked to change it to EML, because OE users are unable to see MSG attachments sent by TB, because OE is unable to display that, only EML is allowed. OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, rename and attach again. I just said that it is a bit paradox to offer Exchange connectivity and NOT use the Exchange default client's format for HTML forwards. B.lls..t :) Assign EML to Outlook, and case solved. Isn't it a LITTLE strange, that EML is open by OE and MSG with Outlook??? Why email clients must confirm this mixed up method of MS??? Why TB! can open each of them? -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 11:13 AM Hi Vili, On 7/11/2005 Vili wrote: V B.lls..t :) Assign EML to Outlook, and case solved. Isn't it a LITTLE V strange, that EML is open by OE and MSG with Outlook??? Why email V clients must confirm this mixed up method of MS??? Why TB! can open V each of them? WELL SAID!! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Vili everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 16:56 you (Vili) wrote: Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, rename and attach again. Don't tell me you think this is a solution. I don't know how many of these darn HTML mail a day I forward to my co-workers. I just said that it is a bit paradox to offer Exchange connectivity and NOT use the Exchange default client's format for HTML forwards. B.lls..t :) Assign EML to Outlook, and case solved. You haven't thought about this, Vili. 1. The problem is not on my machine. The problem is on everyone's machine I'm sending HTML forwards to. I don't count my business contacts, but the folks out there that use Outlook (and not Outlook Express) goes into... hmmm... millions? 2. You can associate EML with Outlook as much as you want, Outlook won't open it. Just like Word won't open MP3. Even if this would work, in our small small company alone its 11 client PCs. Do you think I should go to each of these client PCs, log in as administrator, associate .EML with Outlook? Do you really think that in a business environment, anyone will do that, because I *try* to use TB over Exchange/MAPI? Do you think anyone in a business environment uses Outlook Express? Isn't it a LITTLE strange, that EML is open by OE and MSG with Outlook??? Why email clients must confirm this mixed up method of MS??? Why TB! can open each of them? TB can open both of them, but thats not the problem. TB should be able to *send* both of them. Configurable. Or better yet, forward HTML not as attachments, but via the HTML editor... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) As we have opportunity, let us do good to all men. -- St. Paul Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 13:34 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote: MM And now, what You want to do? As part of the IMAP setup offer an option to change the file extension. Why only IMAP? Everyone should be able to send the attachments the way they want. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Don't ever let it get the best of you - plan what you can - let the rest shine through. Just so many angles you can possibly see, got to figure on those - let the other ones be. -- Robert Hunter Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 1:09 PM Hi Alexander, On 7/11/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: As part of the IMAP setup offer an option to change the file extension. ASK Why only IMAP? Everyone should be able to send the attachments the way they ASK want. In my experiences defaulting to OE file format reaches more people. IMAP users are more inclined to be corresponding with Outlook users. Always attempting to provide interoperability with M$ is not valuable IMO. We need more people with courage to educate and change the M$ stranglehold if we are to improve. At this point, all of my customers are now using OpenOffice 2 or WordPerfect 12 and they are very happy about it. As long as we keep licking M$ boots instead of offering a better alternative we sentence ourselves to a lot more boot licking. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 1:02 PM Hi Alexander, On 7/11/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Do you think anyone in a business environment uses Outlook Express? Sadly, in the US there are many small to mid-size businesses using OE. I have to deal with them constantly. Fortunately, most of them are now TB converts and none wants to go back, even the die-hard OE users. I set up TB for them and ask for one week of use and they never want to regress back to OE. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Paul Van Noord everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 19:17 you (Paul Van Noord) wrote: In my experiences defaulting to OE file format reaches more people. IMAP users are more inclined to be corresponding with Outlook users. So it should be configurable how attachments are sent, as I've already said. Always attempting to provide interoperability with M$ is not valuable IMO. We need more people with courage to educate and change the M$ stranglehold if we are to improve. At this point, all of my customers are now using OpenOffice 2 or WordPerfect 12 and they are very happy about it. As long as we keep licking M$ boots instead of offering a better alternative we sentence ourselves to a lot more boot licking. It is good to think like that. We have our small business customers that are using Firefox, OpenOffice, Opera, etc. etc. without any problems, too. And I'm very happy about that. That doesn't change the fact that everyone is still using an MS operating system, but thats a different story. :-) But, reality is different sometimes. I'm not in the position to change the behaviour and software usage of our big corporate customers, or big retailers were we buy our products from. They use MS because everyone uses it (and they have the least problems with exchanging documents, mails, etc.) - so they get it. I don't have a word about their decision. If you can't provide your docs and mails in an MS compatible format, you have a problem. If I forward an HTML mail in .EML format and they can't open it with a doubleclick (and they can't, because Outlook Express is simply not there), I'll get a friendly mail back that I should resend my stuff in a readable format. I'm not the guy to start an idealistic argument about the MS stranglehold and whatnot at that point, and neither would you. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
Hello Alexander, Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, rename and attach again. Don't tell me you think this is a solution. I don't know how many of these darn HTML mail a day I forward to my co-workers. It is only a workaround. I just said that it is a bit paradox to offer Exchange connectivity and NOT use the Exchange default client's format for HTML forwards. B.lls..t :) Assign EML to Outlook, and case solved. You haven't thought about this, Vili. :)) Yes I did, I only did not know A fact, see below. 2. You can associate EML with Outlook as much as you want, Outlook won't open it. Just like Word won't open MP3. Ok, this is the point, I overlooked this point, sorry. Even if this would work, in our small small company alone its 11 client PCs. Do you think I should go to each of these client PCs, log in as administrator, associate .EML with Outlook? Do you really think that in a business environment, anyone will do that, because I *try* to use TB over Exchange/MAPI? Do you think anyone in a business environment uses Outlook Express? If the association would work: What you are saying is this: EVERYTHING must conform to Outlook, even to its stupid things, because that is used by the most people. I am curious, what would you do, if Outlook 2006 will decide to use EML and not MSG... The whole world will change? :( Isn't it a LITTLE strange, that EML is open by OE and MSG with Outlook??? Why email clients must confirm this mixed up method of MS??? Why TB! can open each of them? TB can open both of them, but thats not the problem. TB should be able to *send* both of them. It can. Configurable. Or better yet, forward HTML not as attachments, but via the HTML editor... To end our discussion: this would be the solution. (Or teach the users that sending one sentence they dont have to include their whole bibliography, names of dogs, pictures of grandchildren, etc. as attachment... :(( -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Vili everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 21:16 you (Vili) wrote: I am curious, what would you do, if Outlook 2006 will decide to use EML and not MSG... The whole world will change? :( Repeat mode: the format of the attachment should be configurable. TB can open both of them, but thats not the problem. TB should be able to *send* both of them. It can. Then please tell me how I can switch from .EML to .MSG as a default. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Phobos (6:58) by Voivod from the album 'Phobos' Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005 @ 4:26:02 AM [-0700], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Nevertheless, I *still* hope that some day we will get real HTML forwarding (ie. not as an attachment)... But, we do get it now don't we? Configure Account - Templates - Forward - Uncheck Forward messages as attachments (MIME Standard). By unchecking the above, I am able to forward html/non-html inline without the extension issues. -- Matt Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
Hello Alexander, TB can open both of them, but thats not the problem. TB should be able to *send* both of them. It can. Then please tell me how I can switch from .EML to .MSG as a default. You cannot switch. But you can send EML or MSG. That's what I said. Until it solved, you have to play the save EML, rename, MSG attach game... -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, 2:55:58 PM, Vili wrote: You cannot switch. But you can send EML or MSG. That's what I said. Until it solved, you have to play the save EML, rename, MSG attach game... you can save either if saving is the question. just pull down the choices in the save dialogue box. I thought that alternate forward forwarded the message in one of those formats, but what I thought was going to do that when I tested just forwarded the message I was testing in it's original plain text format. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, 1:55:26 PM, Matt Thoene wrote: Configure Account - Templates - Forward - Uncheck Forward messages as attachments (MIME Standard). By unchecking the above, I am able to forward html/non-html inline without the extension issues. I have the above ticked. When I forward an HTML message, it made message1.eml, or something like that. When I used alternate forward I got an html message. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
Hello Dwight, I thought that alternate forward forwarded the message in one of those formats, but what I thought was going to do that when I tested just forwarded the message I was testing in it's original plain text format. Yes, that is good only for text messages... What Alexander wants is attach as MIME with .MGS extension... I guess, Alexander, you have to do this: send a WISH. It is easy to implement. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, at 21:28:34 [UTC+0200] (Monday, July 11, 2005 21:28 my local time) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Then please tell me how I can switch from .EML to .MSG as a default. Here is only a temporary workaround which I used sometimes: 1. Export message to the .MSG file 2. Create alternative forward message and remove attached .EML file 3. Attach the previously exported .MSG file 4. Send message -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.51 in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, 3:35:18 PM, Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote: Then please tell me how I can switch from .EML to .MSG as a default. It is much easier to just save the message in which ever format you choose, then attach it to a message. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Dwight A Corrin everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 23:25 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote: Then please tell me how I can switch from .EML to .MSG as a default. It is much easier to just save the message in which ever format you choose, then attach it to a message. It is still nothing but a workaround. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The real danger is not that computers will begin to think like men, but that men will begin to think like computers. -- Sydney J. Harris Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Matt Thoene everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 20:55 you (Matt Thoene) wrote: Configure Account - Templates - Forward - Uncheck Forward messages as attachments (MIME Standard). By unchecking the above, I am able to forward html/non-html inline without the extension issues. When I forward an HTML message with the option unticked, I get a plain text message. All HTML formattings are lost. TB can't forward HTML inline. Same goes for replying. All HTML formattings are lost. This was reported 06 Oct 2003 in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807 Don't get me wrong. I don't need this HTML crod at home. But when I read Exchange connectivity I expect some more biz related behaviour, and thats interoperability with the world out there (which unfortunately is a MS dominated world). We have to deal with that. I've explained the rest of the story more than enough in this thread. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment. The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this. -- Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives for 3-M Post-It Notepads. Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Dwight A Corrin everyone else, on 11-Jul-2005 at 23:36 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote: I just timed the process and I saved the message and forwarded it to myself as a .msg file in about 12 seconds. Come on, I bet you can do it in 11! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Dreaming perits every one of us to be quietly and safely insane every night of our lives. -- William Dement Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, 4:51:55 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Come on, I bet you can do it in 11! :-) If I had remembered where I saved the message and hadn't had to go back and recreate some of the process, I could have done it quicker than that. The notion of a workaround is that it is somehow bogging one down. But I was not considering the idea that what was really wanted was an HTML editor and not a way to forward messages. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005 @ 2:35:10 PM [-0700], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: By unchecking the above, I am able to forward html/non-html inline without the extension issues. When I forward an HTML message with the option unticked, I get a plain text message. All HTML formattings are lost. TB can't forward HTML inline. Same goes for replying. All HTML formattings are lost. This was reported 06 Oct 2003 in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807 Ok. I guess my response then is UNCONFIRMED. Works for me. :) -- Matt Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005, 1:55:26 PM, Matt Thoene wrote: By unchecking the above, I am able to forward html/non-html inline without the extension issues. When I do that, I get the same thing as what I forwarded to the list which was said to not be what was needed because the HTML was not editable. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
On Monday, July 11, 2005 @ 3:00:32 PM [-0700], Dwight A Corrin wrote: If I had remembered where I saved the message and hadn't had to go back and recreate some of the process, I could have done it quicker than that. The notion of a workaround is that it is somehow bogging one down. But I was not considering the idea that what was really wanted was an HTML editor and not a way to forward messages. I'm am not a powerpro user, and this is yet another workaround, but I bet you can create a button to do it all for you in one swoop. -- Matt Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Exchange Usability
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. V Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, V rename and attach again. Do you see yourself doing that several times a day? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Diplomacy gets your out of what tact would have prevented Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Exchange Usability
Hello Goncalo, In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : OMG... why wasn't that made configurable? The difference between the two is the extension and nothing else. V Open the original mail, Forward, in the editor window save the attach, V rename and attach again. Do you see yourself doing that several times a day? I offered a workaround with this. So my answer is short: you can complain or try to make the things work. -- Vili Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Exchange Usability
Hello Matt Thoene everyone else, on 12-Jul-2005 at 00:10 you (Matt Thoene) wrote: When I forward an HTML message with the option unticked, I get a plain text message. All HTML formattings are lost. TB can't forward HTML inline. Same goes for replying. All HTML formattings are lost. This was reported 06 Oct 2003 in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1807 Ok. I guess my response then is UNCONFIRMED. Works for me. :) Forward me any HTML message *inline*, please. Thats the whole point. You hit fwd and the HTML editor opens? That doesn't happen. TB can't do that. When you hit fwd on an HTML message, no matter what you do, you'll get an attachment, either .EML or the original HTML message, and a plaintext message in your editor. Even if your default editor is the HTML editor. Do the same in Thunderbird, M2, Outlook, whatever you'll have the original HTML message in the editor. That is called *inline* forwarding, and that what I said that I hope to eventually get in TB in my very first message in this thread. Until that happens, the least I expected when dealing with Exchange was... blabla, I repeat myself over and over, this is getting boring. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Everything is theoretically possible, until it's done. One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen. -- Robert A. Heinlein Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
