Re[2]: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hello Allie, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:02:08 PM, you wrote: AM If you select a block of text and hit CTRL-F4 a reply message to the AM *sender* will be generated and with the entire message text quoted. AM If you select a block of text and hit CTRL-F4 a reply message to the AM *sender* will be generated and with the entire message text quoted. I just tried this and hit F4 with *one* paragraph of your message selected. The above is what I got. -- Best regards, István Szendrõmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hello Allie, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:02:08 PM, you wrote: AM If you select a block of text and hit CTRL-F4 a reply message to the AM *sender* will be generated and with the entire message text quoted. AM If you select a block of text and hit CTRL-F4 a reply message to the AM *sender* will be generated and with the entire message text quoted. I just tried this and hit F4 with *one* paragraph of your message selected. The above is what I got. -- Best regards, István Szendrõmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:19:07 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Exactly. More is better. Separate parts is better. Monolithic is bad. Why? Choice. :) To some degree you are most certainly correct, but I think it depends on the task. For example, if the only time you ever do any ASCII text editing is for e-mail, why would you ever go to something as powerful or complex as Emacs, Vim or any other dedicated ASCII editor. In that case it would be better just to have it included in your e-mail program, even if the program suffers from a little bloat because of it. But that's all part and parcel of choice, isn't it? :) Aaah, and this is why I said earlier that both the monolithic and compartmentalized approaches have their place. It's just that in the windows e-mail arena, the compartmentalized approach to e-mail editing is almost nonexistent. This is bad for those who *do* have use for a powerful editor, one they have mastered, and therefore, wish to continue using it in favor of basic editor built into their preferred e-mail client. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Data convinces the Pepsi machine that Coke is better! ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: [spam score 3.48/10.0 -pobox] Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello tracer, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:33:43 AM, you wrote: Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. t C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\fix_pnp.exe t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\windows\temp\*.* nul t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\temp\*.* nul [snip] What is the "fix_pnp.exe" bit ? (I am a keen housekeeper myself.) -- Best regards, István Szendrõ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Thursday, January 13, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about suggestion- / wish-list: SL Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:26:27 AM, Oleg wrote: Because it's an argument for a single tool: TheBat! for all tasks regarding mail management. SL ^^ SL Spell checking and editing don't fall under management. I agree about spell checking and I do use external CSAPI spellchecker within TB!'s internal editor because Spellchecking for sure has no mail-specific functions. Editing has. OTOH, please specify real example of lack of functionality of TB!'s editor for composing messages. Because you begun from the point that you don't want to learn new interface and now you are saying that interface is not a problem, and the problem is in the lack of functionality. Mistype. I meant %OATTACHMENTS. How to implement QT containing %OATTACHMENTS with external editor? SL Again, what is that? You are kidding, or what? I don't understand your question. SL Funny, I find a need all the time for deleting lines as opposed to blocks. SL I find the CUA mode clumsy at times because I can't just delete an arbitrary SL set of lines. Furthermore, the way it marks blocks leaves a lot to be SL desired. That's your opinion. In my opinion CUA is just fine at that. SL 70. 1. 70. 1. What was this again about you being forced to learn SL "another" editor when you can chose that editor and no matter what happens SL with the other portions of your system that one thing remains constant? No, SL sir, you are being forced to learn different editors and don't even know it. If not than TB! authors will still have to improve editor as well, but they will have to add another feature which will not mean more concentration on mailer functions. SL Exactly. TB! is an email client, not an editor. They should be SL concentrating on the email client and its interface, not on an editor. It's not possible if they will not remove editor at all. If it will be present while replaceble by external editor they will still have to pay some attention to it. If they will remove it I will have to learn one more editor because I have learned TB!'s editor already and can't dislearn it and the editor I'm using outside TB! now cannot be used as external editor for TB! -- we discussed that already. Than I will have to get another editor first, learn it and only after that I will be able to work with mail about 1/2 of my current efficiency because it will take time to tune up that perfect editor and to get used to it. Next question is rather philosophical: if I don't learn new editor how do I my sacred User Choise? It becames only random choice of the editor I have get first. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Oleg, Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) MG On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Whoa, there it is. :P MG Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it MG contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through. OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. another thing one could do is: search for "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" present add set "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" not present... that will catch even these messages :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Speelplein Aboe http://surf.to/aboe ** He who sitteth on an upturned tack shall surely rise. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: img src......
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Thursday, January 13, 2000, Sashka wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about img src..: OZ Wrong here. Browser doesn't mean IE. TB! always open new window in my OZ browser, which is Opera. And I cannot imagine why anyone would want OZ function 'open not in new window of a browser'. S First of all as far as I can remember, Opera always opens new browser S window when clicking on URL in TheBat or another program. so it's S feature of Opera, not The Bat Than why do you request this feature from The Bat! and not from IE? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:33:18 +0400, Oleg Zalyalov wrote:
SL Exactly. TB! is an email client, not an editor. They should be
SL concentrating on the email client and its interface, not on an editor.
It's not possible if they will not remove editor at all. If it will be
present while replaceble by external editor they will still have to
pay some attention to it.
If they will remove it I will have to learn one more editor because I
have learned TB!'s editor already and can't dislearn it and the editor
I'm using outside TB! now cannot be used as external editor for TB! --
we discussed that already. Than I will have to get another editor
first, learn it and only after that I will be able to work with mail
about 1/2 of my current efficiency because it will take time to tune
up that perfect editor and to get used to it.
Next question is rather philosophical: if I don't learn new editor how
do I my sacred User Choise? It becames only random choice of the
editor I have get first.
Again, this touches on another philosophy and one based on guiding the
new user in the right direction of good, productive and efficient habits.
There is no doubt increased efficiency in using one ASCII editor for all
ASCII editing tasks instead of learning +/- tolerating/enjoying the quirks
of each editor packaged with each application. If e-mail clients and
others like it emulated this philosophy, one of the fundamental
requirements of computing would be to furnish oneself with a decent ASCII
editor that may be used with all these application types. Perhaps, windows
would come packaged with an ASCII editor better than notepad. :))
The fact remains however, that in the windows world, this philosophy
does not exist as it should and ones decisions on application design and
advice needs to be tailored to meet this reality. Either support both
philosophies or chose one. In the windows world, if one were to chose one,
the clear choice would be an integrated editor.
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Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) MG Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it MG contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through. OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. AS Can you please comment it? Creating new filter not filling in any string in the 'strings' field, just changing presence from 'yes' to 'no'. It cathes every message. Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected until we have a legal way to filter all messages. What more comments needed? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Oleg, Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:19:43 PM, you wrote: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? OZ What more comments needed? If it is bug then I have no more questions. -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13:26 14.01.2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi John, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: [spam score 3.48/10.0 -pobox] Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello Szendrõ István, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:16:16 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:16:16 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Szendrõ István wrote: Szendrõ Hello tracer, Szendrõ Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:33:43 AM, you wrote: Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. t C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\fix_pnp.exe t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\windows\temp\*.* nul t C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\deltree /y c:\temp\*.* nul Szendrõ [snip] Szendrõ What is the "fix_pnp.exe" bit ? mistake of mine. I cut and pasted from my current autoexec.bat. I have an old but good HP Scanjet iicx which with original drivers is extreemly unstable under 98 (uses the special HP scan card). Owner dumped the thing so I spend some time locating what was wanted under 98... I 'found' somewhere in Russia some stuff so it will now happily run the latest HP software for scanning, on my old card without loading any odd drivers which upset 98. In short, it only does something for that scanner card... Szendrõ (I am a keen housekeeper myself.) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:33:41 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:33:41 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hi John, Thomas On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), Thomas John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Thomas Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from Thomas a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping Thomas received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) I do same but only from/to people where a lot of mail goes between us. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT XNews (Was: Scoring (was: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!))
Hello Steve, On Tuesday, January 11, 2000 you wrote: Does anyone using Xnews know if and how you can download messages to read off-line? No. See its manual. But you can use Hamster -- local news and mail server. I don't use it yet, but I've heard it makes a quite powerful tandem with XNews. Just set your XNews to use 127.0.0.1 as your news server, and set Hamster to get newsgroups from as many servers as you like and keep them on hard drive. Best regards, -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hi Alex,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:28:44 +0200GMT (14/01/2000, 19:28 +0800GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:
OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
OZ What more comments needed?
AS If it is bug then I have no more questions.
I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
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External Editor (was:Re: suggestion- / wish-list)
Hi Oleg, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:33:18 +0400GMT (14/01/2000, 18:33 +0800GMT), Oleg Zalyalov wrote: SL Exactly. TB! is an email client, not an editor. They should be SL concentrating on the email client and its interface, not on an editor. OZ It's not possible if they will not remove editor at all. If it will be OZ present while replaceble by external editor they will still have to OZ pay some attention to it. It just needs to be basic; the priority for improving the editor will be a lot lower (they will actually only have to look at any bugs). OZ If they will remove it I will have to learn one more editor because I OZ have learned TB!'s editor already and can't dislearn it and the editor OZ I'm using outside TB! now cannot be used as external editor for TB! -- OZ we discussed that already. Than I will have to get another editor OZ first, learn it No. The point is, you don't have to learn anything else. If you wish to continue using the TB editor "as is", no problem. If, on the otehr hand, you have another editor you'd rather use, do that. Easy. OZ Next question is rather philosophical: if I don't learn new editor how OZ do I my sacred User Choise? It becames only random choice of the OZ editor I have get first. Yes and no. Your choice is to use the editor you like (be in the internal one or any external one). How to get to like an editor - over any software - or anything? It has to do with who introduced you first, and/or marketing, and/or a thousand other factors that have nothing to do with the question on hand: should there be an option in TB to allow external editors? I vote for yes. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:46:12 PM, you wrote:
OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
there is no empty strings in the mail.
So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
Are you sure? ;-)
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Re[6]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? Tried empty string and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed presence to 'no'. Voila. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Claudius, On Thursday, January 13, 2000 you wrote: Since Steve wrote that he still stands by everything he said and is continuing to discuss my arguments with other people it is hard to believe his apologies to "the list"; especially since his answer to my mail -- I don't think any other expression is more exact -- is simply fascistic. But Claudius, Steve is simply right (however the way he expressed himself was a bit too strong sometimes)... There are some conventions people have to obey. Otherwise our life will become a chaos... BTW: please fix your signature delimiter. -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi Thomas, On 14 January 2000 at 19:33:41 GMT +0800 (which was 11:33 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the JS message I was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages JS folder, and I knew it was in response to a message in my Sent JS folder, which was not to a list. Any other combination is JS possible. TF Somebody was surprised Not I ;-) TF when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in TF a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and TF sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go searching for this/that/the other reply. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
DEAD HORSE AGAIN (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Hi Christopher, On 13 January 2000 at 18:11:58 GMT +0100 (which was 17:11 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: CJT But Claudius, [snip] ... Whoa Neddy! I declared this thread a DEAD HORSE two days ago. Please leave it alone now! Thank You. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
FETCH problem
Hello , From yesterday I can't download messages from my primary account. At first, I thought it was a problem with my provider. But, when I tried to receive messages with Internet Mail and News it was ok!!! I tried to fix the problem by reinstalling TB but it didn't work! This never happened before! How can I fix this? BTW, during reinstalling TB I forgot that trick question:-)) so I deleted all my message databases and accounts. I know it's a stupid question, but is there a way that I ca recover them??? -- Best regards, Sir Jinx! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Friday, January 14, 2000, 12:40:39 AM, Allie wrote: On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:19:07 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: To some degree you are most certainly correct, but I think it depends on the task. For example, if the only time you ever do any ASCII text editing is for e-mail Aaah, and this is why I said earlier that both the monolithic and compartmentalized approaches have their place. Also, I have never met an OS which didn't have an ASCII editor of its own that the email client could use (Windows has 2, for the record) nor have I ever met a person whose *sole* use for an ASCII editor was /just/ email. Januk's premise is faulty because of those two counts. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello tracer, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:33:36 PM, tracer wrote: Clemens well the second thing is ... I was puzzled WHY it was SO big ... I Clemens only have 54 files in it and neither of them is bigger then 10K ... so Clemens I created a temporary dir, moved them there and moved them back and Clemens voila suddenly it was onyl 340K bit ... my whole mail stuff from is Clemens 150 MB ... but this includes about 14000 mails ... maybe the box was never compressed, and then it will likely take up more space then it should 'saved' but also when used... And that might have broken some limit with a hang etc etc. nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about 2-20K can never need 55MB!! Clemens but since today I started to make a daily backup ... you never know, Clemens when you might need it ... I can tell you when you need it, thats a certainty... Guranteed when you damage the original(g) well right now, everything works fine ... Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e on Windows 98, 4 10 Build A on Friday, January 14, 2000 at 5:15:57 PM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Friday, January 14, 2000, 2:51:45 AM, Allie wrote: requirements of computing would be to furnish oneself with a decent ASCII editor that may be used with all these application types. Perhaps, windows would come packaged with an ASCII editor better than notepad. :)) I think you hit upon something. Windows default editors: Notepad edit (DOS). Unix default editor (for the most part): vi I think you might be on to something. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: DEAD HORSE AGAIN (was Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:12:07 AM, Marck wrote: CJT But Claudius, [snip] ... Whoa Neddy! I thought it was "Nelly"? :/ -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ERROR ... please help ...
Friday, January 14, 2000, 8:17:33 AM, Clemens wrote: nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about 2-20K can never need 55MB!! Was it the inbox? You are aware that any message you ever got and filtered elsewhere is in the inbox until you compress it? "Compress" here means removing the entries marked "Deleted" from the database. All mail is filed in the inbox *before* it is filtered. It is then filtered and, if needed, marked as deleted. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: suggestion- / wish-list
Friday, January 14, 2000, 2:33:18 AM, Oleg wrote: Editing has. Nope. One does not need to edit mail to send/received/file/sort/kill mail. Before anyone gets any ideas about "send", bounce (er, redirect, damned non-standard terminology) a message to someone. Whoa, ya just sent a message without the need to edit it. OTOH, please specify real example of lack of functionality of TB!'s editor for composing messages. Proper reflow for one. TB! destroys my double-space after periods and removes my indention. The ability to indent a block of text if needed is another. Sending a block of text through a filter. Because you begun from the point that you don't want to learn new interface and now you are saying that interface is not a problem No, I am pointing out that I have no problem bouncing between several interfaces but I prefer a single interface so I don't have to. I the go on to point that by using a single editor I am learning less interfaces, quirks and capabilities. Mistype. I meant %OATTACHMENTS. How to implement QT containing %OATTACHMENTS with external editor? SL Again, what is that? You are kidding, or what? I don't understand your question. No, I am not kidding. I may be an overbearing prick but at least when I say "Well, it doesn't work for this, here's why" for the most part. At least I do know that I do so when asked the first time. Now, for the third tome, What is %OATTACHMENTS and what does it do? I have never used it. SL Funny, I find a need all the time for deleting lines as opposed to SL blocks. I find the CUA mode clumsy at times because I can't just delete SL an arbitrary set of lines. Furthermore, the way it marks blocks leaves a SL lot to be desired. That's your opinion. In my opinion CUA is just fine at that. OK, mark a set of lines. Realized that you forgot one line near the top. Now, without losing your current marked text, extend that first line up one more to include the line that you missed. CUA cannot do it. It's not possible if they will not remove editor at all. If it will be present while replaceble by external editor they will still have to pay some attention to it. But the attention is to the interface which is a lot different than reimplementing the entire editor. Pop quiz, which is easier to implement: a) An interface to an SMTP server b) An SMTP server. You will be graded. If they will remove it I will have to learn one more editor because I have learned TB!'s editor already and can't dislearn it and the editor I'm using outside TB! now cannot be used as external editor for TB! -- we discussed that already. Irrelevant. It is part of the problem if the philosophy. Point is that you will have to learn more editors whenever you change products. Besides, the editor you use outside you might be able to go to the author and ask him to include mail specific features. Than I will have to get another editor first, learn it and only after that I will be able to work with mail about 1/2 of my current efficiency because it will take time to tune up that perfect editor and to get used to it. Bull. The more you use an editor, the faster you pick it up. It took me less than 3 days of *minimal* editing to get to the same level of efficiency in vim as I had with joe. That is because all I had to do was translate what I was wanting to do into the patterns vim gave me. However, the context highlighting in vim more than offsets any slight speed disadvantage I might have now 9 months later. Next question is rather philosophical: if I don't learn new editor how do I my sacred User Choise? It becames only random choice of the editor I have get first. As opposed to what? You really need to think it through. OK, let's take a hypothetical new user, fresh of the streets of Zimbabwe and plop him down in front of a computer. He knows no editors. He needs to learn at least one. Teach him the right one in the right way to do things and all he needs to learn is one for all his ASCII tasks. But in windows, in the philosophy you're defending, he has to learn one editor for each editing task he wants to undertake. So if we have mail, news, and writing short notes to mama Zubzub that is 3. 1, 3, 1, 3. Now, getting back to your example. You've already learned at least two. Regrettable because you've been a victim of the idiotic Redmond philosophy, yes, but get over it. Let's take the long view. You're whining that you'll have to learn a new editor. "Wah, I have to learn a new editor!" OK, what are the costs of *not* learning a new editor? Well, in 2 years RITLABS is bombed by a radical Zimbabwe terrorist because they didn't implement a decent editor *cough*, there is no more TB! and darn it, those bugs are annoying you. Enter, dundundun, OlegMail! Yes, another editor that is your dream except, oh, you need to learn a new editor.
Re: Possible Bug ??
In Reference to "Possible Bug ??" From Angel: A Description: A After selecting multiple emails to REDIRECT, and ticking the "Address All Messages A To The Address Below" option in popup-box then hitting "OK", A TB! gets an EAccessViolation message and the program shuts down completely. Sorry Angel, can't confirm. I did exactly as you state and it worked like a charm here. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 7,000 cantankerous footballers form a search party in your blind spot. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hallo Alex,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:07:28 +0200 GMT (14.01.2000, 20:07 +0800 GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
AS not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS Are you sure? ;-)
See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
in the first place?
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Re: announcement
Hallo Andreas, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:34:04 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 23:34 +0800 GMT), Andreas Rumpenhorst wrote: AR ...there is already existing a german mailing list, which is called AR thebat-dt on onelist.com. I went to onelist and couldn't find out how to enter this mailing list. Please enlighten me! ;-) -- Thanks, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Unable to read untitled.msg attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)
Hi there! On 14 Jan 00, at 0:11, mharlos wrote about "Re[2]: Unable to read "untitled.msg": Okay, can you MIME-attach one of these offending messages and let us see what's the matter with it? Here is one...(attached) Here's what you attached with my comments below: Received: from smtp.wha.mb.ca ([216.13.75.99]) by MAIL.SOGH.WINNIPEG.MB.CA (GroupWise SMTP/MIME daemon 4.1 v3); Tue, 11 Jan 00 16:32:20 CST Received: from lt016(tnt01dla251.winnipeg.escape.ca [216.81.20.251])by smtp.wha.mb.ca; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.01.02 (2) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:30:17 -0600 From: "Lorena McManus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Happy Vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I forgot to say have a great vacation. Once again congratulations Lorena First of all, this is *not* a valid RFC822 message at all, since the headers aren't separated from the body with at least one empty line (required: see RFCs). Second: what the string "Content-disposition: inline" is doing here? It shouldn't be here, since "Content-Type: text/plain" is present and there are no attachments at all! Dry remainder: this message is a mess, please address the sender of it. It was apparently sent by Calypso, BTW. Anyhow, here's how TB here treated it: it opened the reader, but displayed nothing in it. It's absolutely correct, since there was no empty line that should have separated the message text from the message headers. This means, that *all* the message file consists of headers only. Select "show kludges", and you'll be able to look through it. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: When you are sure you're right, you have a moral duty to impose your will upon anyone who disagrees with you. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Test for bounces
Greetings Bat Fans, Just testing to see if the bad bounce problem is fixed. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:34:32 PM, you wrote:
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
AS not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
TF Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
TF that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
TF more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)
Sorry, but it is not correct!
Think again: Presence of empty string, but not Equality to Empty
string!!
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS Are you sure? ;-)
TF See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
TF headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
TF in the first place?
Who cares about such an empty message? ;-))
This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-)))
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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hallo Alex, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:10:13 +0200 GMT (15.01.2000, 02:10 +0800 GMT), Alex Sanyukovitch wrote: AS Sorry, but it is not correct! AS Think again: Presence of empty string, but not Equality to Empty AS string!! You mean presence of... 0x00? I haven't received a message with that one in it, but I agree: AS This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-))) R.I.P. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 09:39:02 ,Thomas scribbled:
TF Angel, how much RAM do you have? I have a suspicion that TB has a
TF problem swapping
128 Megs
Regards,
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Re: DEAD HORSE AGAIN
In Reference to "DEAD HORSE AGAIN" From Steve Lamb: over the pond and distorted into "Whoa Nellie", made memorable by Earthworm Jim et al. SL Earthworm Jim? You mistake me for someone young there, fella. I remember SL that phrase long before that video game character. Personally, whenever I hear that phrase I immediately think of Keith Jackson. -- [ - Nick ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] You can't get there from here. (©¿©): Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Januk Aggarwal, On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 00:15:48 you wrote: Messages saved but not set to "send later" can't be deleted from Outbox. This has been discussed before, and it turns out it isn't a bug exactly. Obviously I missed that ;) Thanks! Now there is an easy work around. When you create a message and save it, there is an icon with a little hourglass and paper. Click on that, it will removed, just the same way you unpark a message elsewhere. I have no problem with that now, seems like a nice idea. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
Hi Nick Andriash,
On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 04:18:36 you wrote:
Hello Batters,
I'm wondering if any of you who use PGP, and have set the Preferences for
auto verification on opening of messages, has ever had it work for them? The
question was posed to me off List, and I must admit that I didn't have my
Preferences set that way... so I tried it, and in fact it does not work in
TB. This feature of PGP does however, work in Eudora and Outlook 2K.
Anyone have similar experiences? Any suggestions?
I have the similar experience that it doesn't work. Anyway (even if I
get to repeat myself ;), checking signatures has not been working for
me for a long time now...
BTW, has anybody tried to install PGP 6.51 on Win2k? I tried it, as it
got available at last in germany and it keeps telling me it won't work
on Win2k. Funny, as 6.02 did work without problems.
Oliver Sturm
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Re[2]: announcement
Friday, January 14, 2000, 18:50, Thomas Fernandez wrote: AR ...there is already existing a german mailing list, which is AR called thebat-dt on onelist.com. I went to onelist and couldn't find out how to enter this mailing list. Please enlighten me! ;-) Hello Thomas, Go to this URL: http://www.onelist.com/messages/thebat%2Ddt and then register, if you want. -- Best regards, Jürgen -- Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 PGP-key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkeybody=Send%20PGPkey%20of%20Frisch Key ID: 0x371AFB16 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 14, 2000, 10:39:29 AM, Oliver Sturm wrote: BTW, has anybody tried to install PGP 6.51 on Win2k? I tried it, as it got available at last in germany and it keeps telling me it won't work on Win2k. Funny, as 6.02 did work without problems. Oliver, have you tried the newest version... 6.5.2(a) ? I think there was mention that it was setup for Win2K not 100% sure, but there should be some documentation at the NAI site. Nick - -- - -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOH93MI5odaoVqYrCEQKhZwCeNfeUrpjoMQjVEjRCkfuG7gSFS6kAnA28 TDKnmCxBKFUBnCQmZWcxAHs0 =MAeK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Beta versions...
Is there ever a changelog to go with the beta versions? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Beta versions...
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:34:27 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Is there ever a changelog to go with the beta versions? Nope. With each new beta there is usually an announcement of it's release and what enhancements/fixes are included. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Best way to dispose of the Borg: Give them Windows 3.1. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Beta versions...
Hi there! On 14 Jan 00, at 11:34, Steve Lamb wrote about "Beta versions...": Is there ever a changelog to go with the beta versions? Yep, these are posted to the TBBETA whenever they announce the new beta version;-) It's not a real changelog, but some kind of... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Walk through doors, don't crawl through Windows. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:19:49 AM, Angel wrote: Apologies if this sort of Q has been answered before :D Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time... and it only seems to be with posts originating from you? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
keyboard shortcuts
Hello all, I faintly remember having seen a mail on the list that contained a detailed list of keyboard shortcuts (delete thread among them). Could somebody kindly post it? Thanks. -- Best regards, István Szendrõ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hello Roel, Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:42:42 AM, you wrote: R plain f4 works fine :-) R plain f4 works fine :-) That was *plain* F4... -- Best regards, István Szendrõmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
CIFNet Inc. ?
Hello Batters, Has anyone experienced any problems in dealing with CIFNet Inc.? They are one of the distributors of RITLABS Software. I've been on the phone to them daily now for the past 3 or 4 days, trying to find out if they've received my money order to register TB. When I talk to them, this young fellow... who seems to be the only person there... told me that "those people" only check their mail at the end of the business day. Huh? CFINet doesn't exactly sound like it's an up and coming business to me. I sent the MO Special D well over a week ago (heck, I could have walked there by now), and it's not like this young fellow is telling me they have _not_ received it... he's telling me that he doesn't have access to the people who would know. Huh? I'll contact the Canadian Postal Service to see what they say. I don't know what doing that would be like in the US or Europe, but here in Canada, let me tell you... getting Canada Post to initiate a search for my MO will take a concerted amount of effort on my part!! :o( Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 12:29:43 ,Nick scribbled:
NA Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some
NA reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time...
Because I posted to both the TBUDL and TBBETA mailing lists.
From: Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: E-mailaholics International
To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: TBBETA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not this time though because "this" is another topic not related to the "bug" in the
Beta... didnt need to go to the Beta-list.
Did need to be answered tho... thanks for pointing it out as some new(er)
list-members may
be confused as well. This is why I have seperate folders for my TBBETA and TBUDL emails
as well as filters set up for the seperate lists pointing to their corresponding
Folder(s).
I may get them twice, but I always know which list they're on so I can seperate the
Beta
stuff from TBUDL-general stuff. :D
Regards,
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Re: CIFNet Inc. ?
Hello Nick, When I was registering TheBat! .. it was 1.5 years ago, it took me 3 or 4 days.. I got MO on Saturday and sent it, and then called them and they told that e-mail with my registration info will be sent shortly.. and when I checked e-mail next time - I've got registration info. Friday, January 14, 2000, 3:47:56 PM, you wrote: NA Has anyone experienced any problems in dealing with CIFNet Inc.? They are NA one of the distributors of RITLABS Software. I've been on the phone to NA them daily now for the past 3 or 4 days, trying to find out if they've NA received my money order to register TB. When I talk to them, this young NA fellow... who seems to be the only person there... told me that "those NA people" only check their mail at the end of the business day. Huh? CFINet NA doesn't exactly sound like it's an up and coming business to me. NA I sent the MO Special D well over a week ago (heck, I could have walked NA there by now), and it's not like this young fellow is telling me they have NA _not_ received it... he's telling me that he doesn't have access to the NA people who would know. Huh? NA I'll contact the Canadian Postal Service to see what they say. I don't NA know what doing that would be like in the US or Europe, but here in NA Canada, let me tell you... getting Canada Post to initiate a search for my NA MO will take a concerted amount of effort on my part!! :o( NA Nick -- Sashka e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a great romance, each person basically plays a part that the other really likes. -- Elizabeth Ashley -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 11:31:30 ,Allie scribbled:
AM I suggest that you write to Ritlabs about it and leave it at that. :)
AM Just be sure to include exactly what the error message said as you did on
AM the list.
I will, and thanks, Allie :D
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Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 12:50:11 PM, Angel wrote: NA Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some NA reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time... Because I posted to both the TBUDL and TBBETA mailing lists. Hmmm... strange then, because I have filters setup for both Lists, and has been working just fine. I do notice that you had Cc'd to the Beta List, so I tried to set up another filter for TBBETA to catch those messages with the Beta List address in the Cc: box, but not sure what "Location", in Account/Sorting Office/Filters, to use with the filter. Kludges? My original TBBETA filter has the List Address as "Recipient", but it didn't seem to catch any messages with the Beta List address in the Cc: box. How would you set up a filter to catch messages with a certain address in the Cc: line? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: CIFNet Inc. ?
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:07:51 PM, Sashka wrote: When I was registering TheBat! .. it was 1.5 years ago, it took me 3 or 4 days.. I got MO on Saturday and sent it, and then called them and they told that e-mail with my registration info will be sent shortly.. and when I checked e-mail next time - I've got registration info. Well, it's always nice to hear a happy story... especially when it deals with a Company I'm doing business with. Hopefully they will receive the MO before too long. Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hello, The Bat Users! SL Operative word is "should", not must. Because of that, and SL the widespread use of mailing lists, I think that the client SL should prompt the user on which address they want to send to with SL the default being the reply-to. This gives the user the ability SL to chose which address (public or private in the case of a mailing SL list) to use without having to go through other steps like using SL reply-to-all and trim the headers accordingly. Oh, Steve. I don't believe my eyes - you propose to implement a prompt?! :) So that the program asks one more silly question each time I reply... May be a better way would be to provide different shortcuts (ok, different ways - shortcuts, buttons, menu items, etc.) for different tasks (as it is already implemented in TB) - Ctrl+Enter (Ctrl+R, may be there are some others) for reply to reply-To address, Ctrl+F4 for reply to original sender. No silly questions. The user just selects what he wants to do by pressing the right shortcut. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:35:54 PM, Andrew wrote: Oh, Steve. I don't believe my eyes - you propose to implement a prompt?! :) So that the program asks one more silly question each time I reply... Of course. How many times have I said the program shouldn't assume? Wouldn't it be an assumption on which address to use when the two differ? :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
In Reference to "Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)" From Steve Lamb: SL Of course. How many times have I said the program shouldn't assume? SL Wouldn't it be an assumption on which address to use when the two differ? :P But is really wrong to assume you want to reply to the Reply to: address unless you specify differently? Agreed, if there's no way to choose beforehand either via a pulldown or whatever then yes it should ask, but as long as there is a way for the user to decide then I say can the prompt. The last thing I want is a dang prompt popping up every time I reply to a mailing list. Is this really Steve sending these messages or someone else using Steve's machine? :P -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 1,024 cretinous physicists white-water raft in your favourite pyjamas. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
False alarm!
Hello TBUDL, Sorry for the false alarm!:) My "dear" provider changed the mail settings without telling us, in advance! Still, how could I receive mail [for some time] from M$ MN? -- Best regards, Sir Jinx! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
Hi Nick Andriash,
On Freitag, 14. Januar 2000 at 20:21:21 you wrote:
BTW, has anybody tried to install PGP 6.51 on Win2k? I tried it, as
it got available at last in germany and it keeps telling me it
won't work on Win2k. Funny, as 6.02 did work without problems.
Oliver, have you tried the newest version... 6.5.2(a) ? I think
there was mention that it was setup for Win2K not 100% sure, but
there should be some documentation at the NAI site.
I'm here in germany and I'm happy to have 6.5.1 at last... took them
about half a year since the version available in USA... plus, they
don't ever tell me about it although I have a support contract. You
have to look on their website yourself. Great company, NAI... talk
about monopolizing.
Downloading US versions is still no-no without special export licenses
at NAI, I don't know for sure if that might change, considering latest
jurisdiction.
Thanks for the idea, I'll be looking forward to when 6.5.2 comes to
germany ;) BTW, does checking signatures work in TB with 6.5.2 or do
you still get that nice empty window?
Oliver Sturm
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Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, January 14, 2000, 2:06:18 PM, Nick wrote: But is really wrong to assume you want to reply to the Reply to: address unless you specify differently? IMHO, yes. I can play a LOT of fun games with you with reply-tos. Since most people don't display the reply-to in the header information (most clients don't by default, people normally stick with defaults) someone could put a reply-to in there and the person reply without knowing there is a reply-to and, thus, not knowing there was a choice to be made. Is this really Steve sending these messages or someone else using Steve's machine? :P :P - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQA/AwUBOH+fjHpf7K2LbpnFEQLZ4QCg5KF+1eVoQS68VO4abytMINqnqu0Anjwn rzRvsXR7zs/aCKxdAXp3btyY =iAau -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Should TB use Default command or Open command for double-click on attachments? - was - Re: TB won't use Wordview for attachment viewing
Hello, mharlos! m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.doc] m @="Word.Document.8" This means all the commands about .DOC files are described in section Word.Document.8 m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Word.Document.8\shell] m @="wordview" This means the default command (which is marked bold on pop-up menu and which is executed when the file is double-clicked) is "wordview" (the command itself is described below) [print stuff skipped] m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Word.Document.8\shell\open] m @="Open" m "EditFlags"=hex:01,00,00,00 m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Word.Document.8\shell\open\command] m @="\"C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft Office\\Office\\winword.exe\" /n" [DDE stuff for open command skipped] The Open command is associated with WinWord, not WordView. [New command stuff skipped] m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Word.Document.8\shell\wordview] m @="WordView" m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Word.Document.8\shell\wordview\command] m @="C:\\Program Files\\WordView\\wordview.exe \"%1\"" Here is your WordView command - it's a separate command on the pop-up menu, and it is default. m [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MIME\Database\Content Type\application/msword] m "Extension"=".doc" This means the files with Content-Type set to "application/msword" should have .DOC extension by default. So, your problem is as follows: When a file is double-clicked in TB, TB performs Open command. Hence, WinWord is fired up with your file. When a file is double-clicked in Explorer, the Default command is executed (WordView in your case). Work-around: go to File Types dialog (in explorer), create a new command "Open with Word" and copy all stuff from Open command to "Open with Word" command (that is just create a copy of Open command - AFAIR, explorer won't let you rename the Open command). Then associate the Open command with WordView - that is copy all stuff from WordView command into the corresponding fields of Open command. Now the Open command will fire up WordView, and to open a file in Word you'll have to use the command "Open with Word". Oh, and don't forget to keep the files with exported parts of your registry. Just double-click them to restore the system to the previous state, in case if smth goes wrong... HTH and Good luck... A question to TBUDLers: Should TB use the Default command (as configured on user's system) when double-clicking a file, or should it just open the file (that is always use the Open command)? -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
In Reference to "Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)" From Steve Lamb: SL IMHO, yes. I can play a LOT of fun games with you with reply-tos. Since SL most people don't display the reply-to in the header information (most clients SL don't by default, people normally stick with defaults) someone could put a SL reply-to in there and the person reply without knowing there is a reply-to SL and, thus, not knowing there was a choice to be made. Okay, I don't know who you are or what you did with Steve but you have about 10 minutes to get out of there before I call the police!!! Are you advocating a feature to help out newbies at the cost of power users? (not that I consider myself a power user mind you, I just like the phrase!) Even if the Reply To: is not listed in the header you'll sure be able to see it in the To: field upon hitting "reply". Take a peek and make sure it right. The newbies can do this while checking to make sure the subject is filled in. ;) Maybe I'm missing something here Steve (or whoever the hell you are) but this doesn't seem like the right solution to me. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 1,024 pompous football players prostitute themselves in your small intestine. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 2:35:00 PM, Nick wrote: Okay, I don't know who you are or what you did with Steve but you have about 10 minutes to get out of there before I call the police!!! Hey, I signed that one bucko. :P Are you advocating a feature to help out newbies at the cost of power users? Nope. It is a feature for newbies and power users. I've always advocated that the program not assume. Maybe I'm missing something here Steve (or whoever the hell you are) Well, it would help if that feature (CNTL-F4) were in the mouse options somewhere. Hell, I didn't even know about it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File
Hello Keith Russell, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 at 20:25:25 GMT -0700 [Saturday, January 08, 2000 10:25 GMT +0700], you told to the list: [...] KR You asked in a later message what I am doing while my mail is KR downloading. Absolutely nothing...Tonight, after the first couple KR of error messages, I closed all other applications before trying KR again, and still got the error. I am back from long vacation, and I found more than 6000 messages in my (dutaint.co.id) account. Download using Personal Dial from my Server broke every 50 messages, it's really annoying!. I curious TB! is the culprit, because next download fail every 30 messages, then 20 messages ..., sound like virtual memory or memory leak problem, even I still have 150 MB free space. So I search all *.tmp file, delete it all (I have around 10,000), after that re-download again...voila...everything fine! KR This is happening every night now when I get home and download my KR email. It's getting old fast. Time to send a bug report, I KR guess Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again. HTH -- - syafril - Opinions expressed are only mine Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38e (reg) under Windows 98 4.10 built 1998, Created : Saturday, January 15, 2000, 05:33:36 (+07:00 GMT) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
In Reference to "Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)" From Steve Lamb: SL Well, it would help if that feature (CNTL-F4) were in the mouse options SL somewhere. Hell, I didn't even know about it. It is, albeit rather hidden, right click on the message and it's nested inside the special sub. SL Hey, I signed that one bucko. Okay, there's the attitude I expect. Steve's okay. False alarm. Phhe. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 8,000 fashionable minimum wage laborers assemble plastic scale model kits of industrial appliances in your hair. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Unable to read untitled.msg attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)
Hello Alexander, Friday, January 14, 2000, 9:57:29 AM, you wrote: Here's what you attached with my comments below: Received: from smtp.wha.mb.ca ([216.13.75.99]) by MAIL.SOGH.WINNIPEG.MB.CA (GroupWise SMTP/MIME daemon 4.1 v3); Tue, 11 Jan 00 16:32:20 CST Dry remainder: this message is a mess, please address the sender of it. It was apparently sent by Calypso, BTW. I don't think the problem is Calypso, I think it is something to do with GroupWise. I know my Dad's secretary forwards him e-mail messages through GroupWise, and more often than not the same problem occurs for him. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Auto Verify PGP Messages ?
Hi Oliver, Friday, January 14, 2000, 10:07:33 PM, you wrote: OS Downloading US versions is still no-no without special export licenses OS at NAI, I don't know for sure if that might change, considering latest OS jurisdiction. Try ftp://ftp.zedz.net/pub/crypto/pgp/pgp60/pgp652/ You can get US or Freeware version there HTH -- Best regards, Mark Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4 10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Test for bounces
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 at 18:09:20 GMT + [Saturday, January 15, 2000 01:09 GMT +0700], you told to the list: MDP Just testing to see if the bad bounce problem is fixed. Yep, it's OK now. -- - syafril - Opinions expressed are only mine Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38e (reg) under Windows 98 4.10 built 1998, Created : Saturday, January 15, 2000, 06:36:02 (+07:00 GMT) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 2:35:00 PM, Nick wrote: peek and make sure it right. The newbies can do this while checking to make sure the subject is filled in. ;) BTW, just wanted to add that this isn't as easy as it seems. I mean, at a glace, who is this message being sent to? Nick Danger. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:13:32 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] IMHO, yes. I can play a LOT of fun games with you with reply-tos. Since most people don't display the reply-to in the header information (most clients don't by default, people normally stick with defaults) someone could put a reply-to in there and the person reply without knowing there is a reply-to and, thus, not knowing there was a choice to be made. Well, it's not all the time that the user will know the significance of either address or why the addresses differ. The only situation I can think of (do you know any other) where the recipient may know what the difference or significance is behind the sender and reply:to addresses differing is with mailing list mail. What I mean when I say significance is, does the recipient *know* if it's OK to reply to the sender address? The sender may have deliberately changed the reply:to address to prevent the message from being replied to using the sender address. You may therefore annoy the sender by using the sender address. I would therefore think that it is not an assumption being made, but rather the right thing being done. By default, the reply:to address should be used for replies and if you think about it, most of the time this is the address that you'll indeed use. Why have a popup messages each time then? Use CTRL+F4, because if you happen to *really know* that it's OK to reply to the sender address without annoying the sender, then you'll also know that it's different from the reply:to address and therefore know exactly when you'll need to reply to the sender. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:43:25 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] Well, it would help if that feature (CNTL-F4) were in the mouse options somewhere. Hell, I didn't even know about it. A toolbar button perhaps? :) I use this feature a lot more than reply to all and yet it's deep within a menu if you wish to invoke it with a mouse. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 3:45:50 PM, Allie wrote: Well, it's not all the time that the user will know the significance of either address or why the addresses differ. All the more reason why they should be prompted. I would therefore think that it is not an assumption being made, but rather the right thing being done. By default, the reply:to address should be used for replies and if you think about it, most of the time this is the address that you'll indeed use. That is why I said the popup defaults to the reply-to. Why have a popup messages each time then? Use CTRL+F4, because if you happen to *really know* that it's OK to reply to the sender address without annoying the sender, then you'll also know that it's different from the reply:to address and therefore know exactly when you'll need to reply to the sender. :) *smile* Like I said, I can play with you with reply-tos. Want a message to go to my debian lists? All I need to do is accidentally send you a message while in one of those folders since I set the reply-to back to the list since the list doesn't do it. You hit reply, not knowing that there is a reply-to and now your message is going to Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Friday, January 14, 2000, 3:49:57 PM, Allie wrote: A toolbar button perhaps? :) I use this feature a lot more than reply to all and yet it's deep within a menu if you wish to invoke it with a mouse. Personally I like the drop down buttons like on the send/check mail buttons. I'm not saying remove the keyboard button but people, lots of 'em, learn by what is available to the mouse. I honestly never thought of looking under "special" for what is, to me, *just* a reply and should be in message. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
Friday, January 14, 2000, 6:59:10 PM, Angel wrote: Hello fellow Bataholics! I am using Version 1.39 Beta/1Registered Under Windows 98 4 .10 Build Description: After selecting multiple emails to REDIRECT, and ticking the "Address All Messages To The Address Below" option in popup-box then hitting "OK", TB! gets an EAccessViolation message and the program shuts down completely. Confirmed. Version 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.00.2195 -- /\/\ || George M. Menegakis - System Administrator || || Centre of Communications and Networking|| || Iraklion Campus - University Of Crete || || mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], icq: 4557532 || || phone: +30 81 393 305, fax:+30 81 39 3318 || \/\/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:06:59 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] *smile* Like I said, I can play with you with reply-tos. Want a message to go to my debian lists? All I need to do is accidentally send you a message while in one of those folders since I set the reply-to back to the list since the list doesn't do it. You hit reply, not knowing that there is a reply-to and now your message is going to Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED]. That's playing and deliberation on the senders part. Let's get back to real life. :) If you did that accidentally, that would be your mistake. Can't sentence the user to a perennial popup confirmation to deal with possible exceptions to an overwhelming rule. Isn't that taking your never assume philosophy a bit too far . to the point where you're shooting yourself in the foot? :) BTW, Nick did bring up a valid point about simply looking at the To: address before hitting send. I see that in a similar way as checking to make sure there's a subject before sending. TB! is a little unorthodox in that it will put the senders name and the reply to address together in the To: field. If that confuses the user then the user may turn it off. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 4:24:41 PM, Allie Martin wrote: TB! is a little unorthodox in that it will put the senders name and the reply to address together in the To: field. If that confuses the user then the user may turn it off. Where is that option located Allie? In some respects I like having it there, but as you say, it can be a little confusing at times. I'd like to just know that it's a configurable feature just in case I want to disable it for one Mailing List that doesn't like me doing that. Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:45:24 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Nope. There is a choice there that has to be made, why should the computer assume which address to send to? Well, technically, if I were to go along with you, the editor should not place anything in the header of replies because one, it's assuming that you wish to use the reply to address (duh) and two, it's wrongfully assuming that you'll wish to use the subject "Re:[insert original subject]". The prompt may as well present the two addresses as well as an option to use the assumed subject or to leave the subject field blank. I have this feeling he's going to say yes. :)) I admire your dedication to your philosophies. Most aren't so black and white in their approach, at least not always. :) I'd love to know how. I don't see a checkbox for it. Wait, I bet it is another #$^#$^$#%ing macro. Nope, a freaking checkbox this time. I wish RITLABS would stop dicking around and do the configuration right. Jeez. See here. Another option you aren't familiar with?? g Account|Options|Templates|Reply|Do not use FROM name for REPLY TO address. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible Bug ??
On Friday, January 14, 2000 at 13:29:52 ,Nick scribbled:
NA My original TBBETA filter has the List Address as "Recipient", but it
NA didn't seem to catch any messages with the Beta List address in the Cc:
NA box. How would you set up a filter to catch messages with a certain
NA address in the Cc: line?
MY TBUDL filter:
SOURCE FOLDER: Inbox
STRING: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Sender
SOURCE FOLDER: Inbox
TBBETA filter:
STRING: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Location: Sender
Also keep in mmind that the filters go from top of the list to bottom. So if your
filter-list looks somsething like this:
TBUDL
TBBETA
SomeOtherFilter ,
TB! will look at the TBUDL filter first, then TBBETA and so onwhich is why,
personally, I almost always tick the "override existing filters" box when creating
a new filter.
I have mine set this way, that way it finds TBUDL first. I believe you can set up
"alternative" 's for each filter... it's one of the tabs when you open your
Filter-Options. This confuses me so I don't use them, but I believe you can set as
"alternative rule" within your TBBETA filter it when it's in the CC: address ...
And you can always add filter strings within an existing filter. Maybe you can put an
additional string in TBBETA's filter for:
CC: TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the LOCATION: kludges
*shrug* haven't tried that one yet...dunno if you have to
have your VIEW KLUDGES option turned on in your Editor settings or not to use that,
but I
don't know.
Anyone else have any ideas, or know?? :D
Regards,
~~~Angel ...your RDR
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por conocer"
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* Scribbled using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 on: 1/14/2000 13:29:52*
* under Windows 98 PLUS! 4 .10 Build A *
*Running a 200MhZ Pentium with a 8.0Gb 1.2Gb hard disk(s) 128Mb RAM*
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Re: Reply-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Morning Szendrõ István, That was *plain* F4... Maybe you have some templates interfering? As for me, I don' get any quotes at all whatever I do, since I have no quoting macro in my templates (I prefer to quote manually.) Anyway, worth a check. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Reply-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Morning Steve Lamb, Nope. There is a choice there that has to be made, why should the computer assume which address to send to? The way I see it that's what the Reply-To header is for: Providing the information to which address a reply goes to. The assumption made is therefore correct. The last thing I'd want is a popup prompt for this. But I agree the "Reply to Sender" function may be moved to a more obvious place than the "Specials" menu. BTW, for a mailing list I'm on, instead of setting my reply-to to the list address, I just override the To in a reply like this: %TO=""%TO="%OFROMNAME [EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Should TB use Default command or Open command for double-click on attachments? - was - Re: TB won't use Wordview for attachment viewing
Hi Andrew, On 14 January 2000 at 01:12:03 GMT +0300 (which was 22:12 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: AKL A question to TBUDLers: AKL Should TB use the Default command (as configured on user's AKL system) when double-clicking a file, or should it just open the AKL file (that is always use the Open command)? IMHO it should use the Default command. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)
Morning Allie Martin, I'd love to know how. I don't see a checkbox for it. Wait, I bet it is another #$^#$^$#%ing macro. Nope, a freaking checkbox this time. I wish RITLABS would stop dicking around and do the configuration right. Jeez. See here. Another option you aren't familiar with?? g Account|Options|Templates|Reply|Do not use FROM name for REPLY TO address. A checkbox option that should be a macro... I think *all* message-specific options should be macros because this allows for better automation per template-file-inclusion - you won't have to go through a dozen folder checkbox options and instead just do an include... Thinking about it, there should even be a utility to set common options for multiple folders/accounts anyway. It gets more strenuous to do it manually on every account the more you have. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Alex Sanyukovitch, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:12:14 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:12:14 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote: Alex Hello Oleg, OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. makes sense, not nothing can be anything (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[7]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:26:19 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:26:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Oleg Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Oleg Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about Oleg How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? Oleg Tried empty string and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't Oleg work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed Oleg presence to 'no'. Voila. On the other hand you can filter any mail with an @ in the header. You may loose some spam (as its one of my spam checks) but who minds... I tend to zap mail which hasnt got @ in sender and receiver. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Wish list item?: find original message
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:08:34 + GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 9:08:34 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Marck Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages Marck automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation Marck threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go Marck searching for this/that/the other reply. Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active folders or are part of them archived. I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving method so how do you handle that? Marck Cheers, Marck Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:26:51 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:26:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Friday, January 14, 2000, 8:17:33 AM, Clemens wrote: nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about 2-20K can never need 55MB!! Steve Was it the inbox? You are aware that any message you ever got and Steve filtered elsewhere is in the inbox until you compress it? "Compress" here Steve means removing the entries marked "Deleted" from the database. All mail is Steve filed in the inbox *before* it is filtered. It is then filtered and, if Steve needed, marked as deleted. Correct Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 05:49:28 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 15, 2000, 5:49:28 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril Hello Keith Russell, Syafril On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 at 20:25:25 GMT -0700 [Saturday, January 08, 2000 Syafril 10:25 GMT +0700], you told to the list: Syafril [...] KR You asked in a later message what I am doing while my mail is KR downloading. Absolutely nothing...Tonight, after the first couple KR of error messages, I closed all other applications before trying KR again, and still got the error. Syafril I am back from long vacation, and I found more than 6000 messages in Syafril my (dutaint.co.id) account. Download using Personal Dial from my Syafril Server broke every 50 messages, it's really annoying!. Syafril I curious TB! is the culprit, because next download fail every 30 Syafril messages, then 20 messages ..., sound like virtual memory or memory Syafril leak problem, even I still have 150 MB free space. Syafril So I search all *.tmp file, delete it all (I have around 10,000), Syafril after that re-download again...voila...everything fine! KR This is happening every night now when I get home and download my KR email. It's getting old fast. Time to send a bug report, I KR guess Syafril Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again. Syafril HTH But, they shouldnt be created. I remember seening those things ages ago, all going to my c:\temp directory which I also use as temp for unarchiving things so it was spotted as soon as it happened from way back. As however I autoclean that directory and all *.tmp files daily, I would never hit a problem with it. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:17:33 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 11:17:33 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens Hello tracer, Clemens Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:33:36 PM, tracer wrote: Clemens well the second thing is ... I was puzzled WHY it was SO big ... I Clemens only have 54 files in it and neither of them is bigger then 10K ... so Clemens I created a temporary dir, moved them there and moved them back and Clemens voila suddenly it was onyl 340K bit ... my whole mail stuff from is Clemens 150 MB ... but this includes about 14000 mails ... maybe the box was never compressed, and then it will likely take up more space then it should 'saved' but also when used... And that might have broken some limit with a hang etc etc. Clemens nono, cause the whole mail size of this directory was TO big. And I Clemens don't think you can comrpess 55MB to 340K ^^ and 54 mails each about Clemens 2-20K can never need 55MB!! I mean you may still have empty space from deleted emails in that box. Not compressing the mail but getting rid also of all the empty space. Clemens but since today I started to make a daily backup ... you never know, Clemens when you might need it ... I can tell you when you need it, thats a certainty... Guranteed when you damage the original(g) Clemens well right now, everything works fine ... Clemens Best regards, Clemens Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e Clemens on Windows 98, 4 10 Clemens Build A Clemens on Friday, January 14, 2000 at 5:15:57 PM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Unable to read untitled.msg attachments (? from Novell Grpwise)
Hi Januk, Friday, January 14, 2000, 4:57:29 PM, you wrote: I don't think the problem is Calypso, I think it is something to do with GroupWise. I know my Dad's secretary forwards him e-mail messages through GroupWise, and more often than not the same problem occurs for him. This is my impression as well. This has happened with several messages, and the only common thread is GroupWise. When I receive my forwarded messages with Calypso, there is never a problem with such attachments. I forwarded the same "untitled.msg" back to myself, and re-downloaded it with Calypso. I viewed the attachment without a problem. I much prefer using TB!; I'd like to be able to figure out this attachment issue. -- Best regards, Mike Harlos Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 4:45:24 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: BTW, Nick did bring up a valid point about simply looking at the To: address before hitting send. I see that in a similar way as checking to make sure there's a subject before sending. TB! is a little unorthodox in that it will put the senders name and the reply to address together in the To: field. If that confuses the user then the user may turn it off. I'd love to know how. I don't see a checkbox for it. Wait, I bet it is another #$^#$^$#%ing macro. Nope, a freaking checkbox this time. I wish RITLABS would stop dicking around and do the configuration right. Jeez. ROTFLMFO !!! Ha ha ha!!! Steve, I laughed so hard when I saw your message, and in fact still am... it's hard type when the tears are rolling down your face... so would you please stop it!! :o) Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Friday, January 14, 2000, 4:45:24 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: I'd love to know how. I don't see a checkbox for it. Wait, I bet it is another #$^#$^$#%ing macro. Nope, a freaking checkbox this time. I wish RITLABS would stop dicking around and do the configuration right. Jeez. Further to my previous laughing spell... You know, Nick Danger was right... there is a side to you I'm just beginning to appreciate! :o) Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Reply-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hi Jast, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:26:12 +0100GMT (15/01/2000, 10:26 +0800GMT), Jast wrote: That was *plain* F4... J Maybe you have some templates interfering? As for me, I don' get any J quotes at all whatever I do, since I have no quoting macro in my J templates (I prefer to quote manually.) Anyway, worth a check. I confirmn the same. Plain F4 results in a reply with no quotes at all. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Should TB use Default command or Open command for double-click on attachments? - was - Re: TB won't use Wordview for attachment viewing
Hi Marck, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:18:44 +GMT (15/01/2000, 10:18 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: AKL A question to TBUDLers: AKL Should TB use the Default command (as configured on user's AKL system) when double-clicking a file, or should it just open the AKL file (that is always use the Open command)? MDP IMHO it should use the Default command. Frankly, I have no idea but would say TB should follow the general convention. What do (most) other mailers do in this case/ -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hi Steve, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:45:24 -0800GMT (15/01/2000, 08:45 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: Can't sentence the user to a perennial popup confirmation to deal with possible exceptions to an overwhelming rule. Isn't that taking your never assume philosophy a bit too far . to the point where you're shooting yourself in the foot? :) SL Nope. There is a choice there that has to be made, why should the SL computer assume which address to send to? How about following conventions in the mailing culture being the reason why? ;-) Here is what I mean (and I am not as good in wording as you are): 1.) Reply-to means "reply to". If I send you an email and my from addr is different from my reply-to addr, I am telling you that I want you to reply to my reply-to addr. That's the common sense approach. 2.) There is some kind of formal approach but I won't bore you with RFC's (as I won't stand a chance against you anyway). Wasn't it on this list a few days back, something about "should reply to the reply-to address". "Should" is not "must", but this is certainly a de-facto standard. ;-) My opinion on this is therefore: The reply-to address is the default for replying. I don't want a pop-up window, as I don't want a pop-up window for a missing subject. It is the same case for me. I understand you would like to see the same behaviour as pine: if from and reply-to are not the same, the question "Use reply-to addr instead of the from addr [Y]/N?" comes up. If I want to reply to the from addr (and I wouldn't know why, except on mailing lists sometimes), I can currently hit "reply all" insteazd of "reply" and delete the cc's. I don't know whether this is standard behaviour for a mail client (I fail to see the logic behind it), but it works for me. BTW, Nick did bring up a valid point about simply looking at the To: address before hitting send. I see that in a similar way as checking to make sure there's a subject before sending. TB! is a little unorthodox in that it will put the senders name and the reply to address together in the To: field. If that confuses the user then the user may turn it off. SL I'd love to know how. I don't see a checkbox for it. Wait, I bet it is SL another #$^#$^$#%ing macro. Nope, a freaking checkbox this time. I wish SL RITLABS would stop dicking around and do the configuration right. Jeez. Do you mean the awkwardly-worded checkbox "Do NOT use FROM name for REPLY-TO address" in Account/Properties/Templates/Replies? Or do you mean just turing off the from or to addresses in the Editor window under the View menu command? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi tracer, On 14 January 2000 at 23:26:57 GMT +0700 (which was 16:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize Marck tightly. t Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active t folders or are part of them archived. I try to keep each folder to 2k messages each. When one exceeds that, I create a sub-folder named "To dd-mm-" in a sub-folder "Archive" and move the messages there and start over. Unless I do that, it takes an age to click into a folder with 2k messages in. t I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. Well, as Steve Lamb once pointed out, TB opens quite fast .. 5 seconds. The message counting and indexing is done as a concurrent task which I just about ignore (because the rest of TB is up and running and fully usable) but, even then, it all takes only about 20-25 seconds max. t With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving t method so how do you handle that? Manually. :-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Beta versions...
Hi Steve, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:47:22 -0800GMT (15/01/2000, 05:47 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: Uhm, yes. On the beta list. I guess that they must be thinking that if you're interested in beta testing, it's natural to join the beta list where testing may be discussed. :0 SL Right, but why join if you're not going to test? Why test when you don't SL know if there is something there to test? Catch-22. If you're interested in betas, you should subsribe to the list. When there are no betas to test, there is either no traffic at all (like these past couple of days), or we discuss general philosophy (which you can ignore if you so wish). By the way, you can download 1.39 Beta/1 now if you wish. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Filters (was:Re: Possible Bug ??)
Hi Nick, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:29:52 -0800GMT (15/01/2000, 05:29 +0800GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: NA Angel, I'm not sure why, but all of your posts are doubled for some NA reason... I'm receiving two exact posts every time... Because I posted to both the TBUDL and TBBETA mailing lists. NA Hmmm... strange then, because I have filters setup for both Lists, and has NA been working just fine. I do notice that you had Cc'd to the Beta List, so Have the same problem here; both messages are being caught be the first filter, the one for tbudl. I then wanted to change the tbbeta filter to "override existing filters" - and couldn't find the option in Sorting Office/Filters! Where is it hiding? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, January 14, 2000, 3:49:28 PM, Syafril wrote: [snip] I am back from long vacation, and I found more than 6000 messages in my (dutaint.co.id) account. Download using Personal Dial from my Server broke every 50 messages, it's really annoying!. Ouch! I thought mine was bad! I curious TB! is the culprit, because next download fail every 30 messages, then 20 messages ..., sound like virtual memory or memory leak problem, even I still have 150 MB free space. Yes, exactly my situation, except that at its worst, mine was failing every message, or downloading a max of 4 or 5 at a time. So I search all *.tmp file, delete it all (I have around 10,000), after that re-download again...voila...everything fine! Yes, you found the solution independently. My directory had about 14,000 when tracer suggested I check for temp files! KR This is happening every night now when I get home and download my KR email. It's getting old fast. Time to send a bug report, I KR guess Check out *.tmp file on your Harddisk, delete it, try again. Yes, it's been working great for a couple of days now. Sorry I didn't get to you in time to save you all the frustration. I had been intending to post to the list, but wanted to make sure it really was fixed and do a little more testing first. See my other message, which I will post later tonight. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hi Steve, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:43:25 -0800GMT (15/01/2000, 06:43 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: Okay, I don't know who you are or what you did with Steve but you have about 10 minutes to get out of there before I call the police!!! ROTFLMAO SL Hey, I signed that one bucko. :P Nice try. The cops are on the way. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: common options (was: Re: Reply-To in mailing list)
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:39:05 +0100, Jast wrote: A checkbox option that should be a macro... I think *all* message-specific options should be macros because this allows for better automation per template-file-inclusion - you won't have to go through a dozen folder checkbox options and instead just do an include... Thinking about it, there should even be a utility to set common options for multiple folders/accounts anyway. It gets more strenuous to do it manually on every account the more you have. Macros need not be used for options which the user will have a global preference. Quote prefixing is one. Removing the numbering of replies is another. Not having the sender name placed with the reply:to address is definitely another. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Reply-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
Hi Allie, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:23:53 -0500GMT (15/01/00, 12:23 +0800GMT), Allie Martin wrote: the same. Plain F4 results in a reply with no quotes at all. AM You need to have text selected and then it will quote only the AM selected text. If no text is selected it will not OK. Works fine. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
