Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

2000-08-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hi Ming-Li,


On  Friday, August 11, 2000  at  22:18:12 GMT -0700 (which was 10:18 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


 StringLocation  Presence
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]KludgesYes


 Thanks. That works, too. But I don't see why it's "nicer" than a
 plain "sender" test. TBUDL list server sets both the SENDER field
 and the REPLY-TO field in the header, so a simple "sender" test
 should work as well as your method, and it's easier to setup,
 especially when you want to put TBUDL and TBBETA in one folder
 (that's what I do).

 Ah, see I separate TBUDL and TBBETA mail.  So in my situation, any
 messages that are addressed to both need to be differentiated so that
 they can go to the individual folders.  The string I suggested does
 this job beautifully, hence my use of "nicer."  I suppose I could
 have chosen a better word.
 

 StringLocation  Presence
 Reply-To: TBUDL|TBBETASenderYes

 It haven't missed a message, yet.

 With the way you have written the string, what is TB searching for?
 Is it,

 The strings "Reply-To: TBUDL" or "TBBETA" in the sender fields.

 Or is TB looking for,

 The strings "Reply-To: TBUDL" or "Reply-To: TBBETA" in the sender
 fields.

 I'm curious as to the function of the | method of making an OR
 connection.  It has always seemed less ambiguous to me to use the
 Alternatives tab for OR relationships in my filter strings.

 

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Re: Mailbox Import

2000-08-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Tom,

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:09:08 -0500 GMT (12/08/2000, 13:09 +0800 GMT),
Tom Plunket wrote:

TF c:\dir *.dbx/s

TP Can't comment on the extension specifics, but to be pedantic the
TP switch needs to be before the filespec and there needs to be spaces
TP between the arguements.

You mean:

c:\dir /s *.dbx

Same difference. Try it out. ;-)

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Re: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

2000-08-12 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Graham,

On 12 August 2000 at 05:22:51 GMT +0100 (which was 05:22 where I
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ND  At the risk of a trouting, that's plain ignorant and I shouldn't
ND need to explain why.

G "Trouting"??  What does that mean?

It is a humorous reference to a mild telling off from the moderators -
"being  slapped  with a trout". I did explain a few days ago, however,
that the cat ran off with mine :-(.

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Re: Mailbox Import

2000-08-12 Thread Mark Aston

Hi Tom,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 6:09:08 AM, you wrote:



TF On this computer here in the office, where Outlook is installed buit I
TF don't use it, a search like this:

TF c:\dir *.dbx/s

TP Can't comment on the extension specifics, but to be pedantic the
TP switch needs to be before the filespec and there needs to be spaces
TP between the arguements.

 Outlook (as opposed to Outlook Express) does not use *.dbx files, but
 one large *.pst file. TB! cannot import from Outlook directly, you
 must first import your mail from OL into OE, then look for the *.dbx
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Re: Filtering to other accounts...

2000-08-12 Thread Curtis

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:37 +0200, István Szendrõ wrote:

C Or you could copy the filters being used in the main account to the
C other accounts so that the messages can be filtered across accounts
C straight to their respective folders in the main account. This may be
C more efficient than redirecting. The messages will be filtered once
C instead of twice. The disadvantage is setting up.

IS Does this also copy attachments if specified to be kept separately ?
IS (My long-standing problem...)

AFAIK, yes, since the messages have not yet reached their destinations
when being filtered to the other accounts. I bind attachments to
messages so I can't absolutely confirm this for you. :-/

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Mark Aston

Hi Marck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 10:21:28 AM, you wrote:

MDP Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

I would, but he has gone fishing for Trout:-)

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Re[2]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

2000-08-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hi Curtis,

on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:44:28 -0500 GMT
your local time, which was 11.08.2000, 20:44:28 (GMT+0200) my local time,
you wrote about "Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?":

snip

C His clock is not up to date and a good example of why I sort according
C to received time on mailing lists.

snip

Thanks, I never thought of that way sorting my post. But it makes sense !!


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Re[2]: Mail ticker

2000-08-12 Thread Patrick Erler

hallo Oliver!

on Friday, August 11, 2000, 4:10:13 PM, you wrote:

OS Hi Curtis,

OS On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 11:26:22 PM you wrote:

OS OK now, same question as always: Is anyone from RITLABS listening in
OS on their own product's mailing list or should I submit this stuff as
OS a formal feature request?

 They do read the list but since the list has been so busy and filled
 with long argumentative threads they may just miss your feature request.
 I suggest you send it separately to Ritlabs.

OS OK,  I  did  that.  Forgot  to cc it to the list, though ;) Anyway, it
OS tries to be a condensed version of what was discussed.
thanks for that..



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Re[3]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

2000-08-12 Thread Marc

Hello Gerd,
GE I always thought I'm the only one having problems with the "pipe"-symbol. It

Should a space exist between the pipe and text:

test1|test2   OR test1 | test2  

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Re[3]: Strange error message when sending

2000-08-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hi Christine,

on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:55:17 -0400 GMT
your local time, which was 12.08.2000, 14:55:17 (GMT+0200) my local time,
you wrote about "Strange error message when sending":

snip

CB One odd note, when I sent my e-mail to TBUDL I didn't get that
CB message. [the only time I didn't] I knew there was something "magical"
CB about this list! G

I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original
msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message.

Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?


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Re[3]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

2000-08-12 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello starc!

Thursday, June 29, 2000, 3:40:21 AM, you wrote:


 Well, I really havent thought about it this way...Maybe we should
 also consider using the old paper mail system...so that those poor
 folks who dont even have email access could read our discussions.  

Are you sure there are so many people interested in this *discussion*?


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Re[3]: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

2000-08-12 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello starc!

Thursday, June 29, 2000, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote:


 Hmm...this confirms what I was saying...people just aren't open for
 innovations.

Who are you? Joe in another guise? Since this is the second time some
*newbie* seems to know everything (incl. basic rules for this list)
better than Steve - with whom I not always agree - I have to write
something about it; you (no, not you Steve) are beginning to get on my
nerves!

And now one for the topic: I use news groups and I use mailing lists.
On the whole I do like the mailing list approach as it usually helps
to deflect trolls.

BTW, there is no logical right/wrong answer to your suggestions. There
may be an empirical one, so for my part you and Joe open your own TB!
news group (better still make it a BBS) and leave us real users alone.

I hope this is not to degrading ...


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Re: Strange error message when sending

2000-08-12 Thread Jamie Dainton

Hello Christine,

Friday, August 11, 2000, 6:46:35 PM, you wrote:

CB "Exception EInvalidOperation in module THEBAT.EXE at 0005AD5B. Control
CB 'eMsg' has no parent window."

CB After I click "OK" in the message box, the program closes out. When I
CB re-open it, I find that the e-mail has been sent. Everything seems
CB normal, no problems all. But, as soon as I write and send an e-mail
CB that message pops up again.

Is  that  immediate  send  or  delayed  send? Was TB! minimized to the
system  tray  while  writing  the  e-mail. This may fool Delphi 2 into
thinking  the  parent  window (although that is a more MDI issue) does
not  exist. I think this is one for Stefan. In the short term it might
be  worth using the beta version. Some people won't agree with me but
I  often  find that the betas are more stable than the release. I know
that  sounds wrong but I've beta tested enough software to know if the
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Re: Strange error message when sending

2000-08-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the
GE original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for
GE the original message.

GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

Having no such problems here.

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Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)

2000-08-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Gerd,

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original
GE msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message.

GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

I used to have this problem with my former account (@ibm.net) and it
turned out that the server was off-line for hours on end every couple
of days.

When the Mailing List server cannot connect, it will put the message
meant for you into a queue and only try so much later again, or so I
was told. Traffic on this list has been huge these past days, maybe
the retry is therefore even later, or the queue longer (I'm
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Re[2]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

2000-08-12 Thread starc

Hello Chuck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 1:17:40 AM, you wrote:


CS Setup  a  filter  to  move  messages from in box to a seperate folder.
CS Filter with the string:
CS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CS with the location as:
CS Recipient
CS with Presence set as:
CS yes.
CS Make sure the filter is active and this should work. It does for me.

I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know why :)
The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
closer look, and there is an option that says "continue processing
with other rules" that has to be checked, and it wasn't(a bad default
in my opinion). So the processing stopped after my first rule. I just
checked that box now, and hopefully it should work.

Thanks, starc

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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

2000-08-12 Thread Chuck Mattsen

On Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 8:13 AM or thereabouts, starc wrote the
following about How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the
mistake):

starc The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
starc closer look, and there is an option that says "continue
starc processing with other rules" that has to be checked, and it
starc wasn't(a bad default in my opinion).

Agreed.


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Filtering problems (addresses with a hyphen)

2000-08-12 Thread Warren

I  run  a  few  mailing lists (directly on the mailserver, not using The
Bat) and have problems filtering mail with them.

I  filter  mail  mostly based on recipient, e.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Error and informationalmessagesareaddressedto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and, despite filters and folders
specifically  set  up  for  them, are sent to the main listname folders.
It's  as  if The Bat is ignoring the hyphens.  I've tried putting quotes
around  the  addresses,  changing  the  orders  of the filters, and even
filtering based on additional conditions, but it doesn't work.

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Separate Address Book or Group within AB for Mail Distrtibution List?

2000-08-12 Thread JM14

Hi,

Is there any advantage/disadvantage to:

(1) creating a separate Address Book -- or Directory as it
sometimes appears to be called -- for a newsletter distribution
list, or

(2)creating a Group within the main Address Book for said list?

The list currently has a few dozen entries, will soon grow to
1,000 or more, and may eventually reach several times that
number.

Thanks.

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Re[2]: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Assad Toorab

AT Congratulation   Curtis!   It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
AT supplementary  moderator  and  it  is an even better decision that
AT Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.
 
Why  did my message appeared so many times? I did not post so many
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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

2000-08-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:13:45 -0300, starc wrote:

s I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know why
s :) The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
s closer look, and there is an option that says "continue processing
s with other rules" that has to be checked, and it wasn't(a bad default
s in my opinion). So the processing stopped after my first rule. I just
s checked that box now, and hopefully it should work.

H. I have 25 incoming message filter rules, all working nicely and
not one of them has that option checked. In fact, I've never enabled
this 'continue processing with other rules' option since using TB!.
Never had to  and I have filter rules for all categories in use, ie,
replied, read and outgoing filter rules. Be sure to tell us if this
option solves the problem.

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:13:52 +0400, Assad Toorab wrote:
AT Congratulation   Curtis!   It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
AT supplementary  moderator  and  it  is an even better decision that
AT Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.
 
AT Why  did my message appeared so many times? I did not post so many
AT of them!

I only saw two copies  one sent to TBUDL and the other to TBBETA.

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Re: Separate Address Book or Group within AB for Mail Distrtibution List?

2000-08-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0400, JM14 wrote:

J Is there any advantage/disadvantage to:

J (1) creating a separate Address Book -- or Directory as it
J sometimes appears to be called -- for a newsletter distribution
J list, or

J (2)creating a Group within the main Address Book for said list?

J The list currently has a few dozen entries, will soon grow to
J 1,000 or more, and may eventually reach several times that
J number.

I can't think of any particular advantage to creating a separate address
book since TB!'s 'separate' address books aren't really 'separate' in
the true sense. The different address books are accessible through all
accounts. You may as well create a group unless you wish to organize
things another way and relegate the list addresses to a new address
book.

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Tony Boom

This message: 12/08/2000 16:58 GMT.
Hello Nick,

On 12 August 2000 at 06:38:02 GMT -0500 (which was 12:38 where I live)
Nick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

ND Let's hope A.C. doesn't decide to start using some medical implement
ND during his reign of terror as a means of punishment

  I forgot about AC's medical training.

  Still, it wouldn't work on me, I've already been done ;-\
  


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Re[2]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

2000-08-12 Thread Graham

Hello Marck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 9:58:43 AM, you wrote:

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MDP Hi Graham,

MDP On 12 August 2000 at 05:22:51 GMT +0100 (which was 05:22 where I
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MDP of "Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?":

ND  At the risk of a trouting, that's plain ignorant and I shouldn't
ND need to explain why.

G "Trouting"??  What does that mean?

MDP It is a humorous reference to a mild telling off from the moderators -
MDP "being  slapped  with a trout". I did explain a few days ago, however,
MDP that the cat ran off with mine :-(.

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Thanks.  I guess Monty Python has a lot to answer for on the internet:
spamming and trouting..

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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi starc,

 I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know
 why :) The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I
 took a closer look, and there is an option that says "continue
 processing with other rules" that has to be checked, and it
 wasn't

It has to be checked only when you other rules to be applied to the
messages that has been handled by the first rule. It won't prevent
other rules to be applied to other messages (that don't match the
first rule).

If indeed enabling the option solves your problem, then the first
rule is preempting the second rule, meaning you've probably had too
broad a filter definition for the first rule.

 (a bad default in my opinion).

It's a good default for me (and I guess you'll agree if understand
what exactly the option means), since few of my messages have to be
handled by more than one rule.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi David,

 Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format.  (You
 must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't
 use it.

Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht
format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's
related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important.

The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole
page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all
browsers recognize it.

 Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
 attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
 works very well.

Just curious, does it have to be QP? Other encoding methods seem to
work fine here. Is there any reason to specify QP for the
attachment? I'm asking for QP isn't the default, and you can't even
make it the default.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Ming-Li,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  15:12:34 GMT -0700 (which was 3:12 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

 Hi David,

 Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format.  (You
 must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't
 use it.

 Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht
 format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's
 related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important.

 I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to
 me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?  I would be very
 interested in getting this ability without having to install OE5.
 Does the offline Browser pack have anything to do with this?

 The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole
 page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all
 browsers recognize it.

 Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.  Does
 anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal?

 Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
 attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
 works very well.

 This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
 process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

 

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Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

2000-08-12 Thread Mark Aston

On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
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 Saturday, August 12, 2000, 6:10:14 AM, Dierk wrote:
  Who are you? Joe in another guise?
 
 Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

Perhaps he re-subscribed under anothername??

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Januk,

  I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available
  to me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?

Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every
opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either,
but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system.

 The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the
 whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside
 is not all browsers recognize it.

  Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.

Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though.

 Does  anyone know if there any other methods that are more
 universal?

I would like to know about that, too.

 Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
 attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
 works very well.

  This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
  process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Ming-Li,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  17:07:51 GMT -0700 (which was 5:07 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

 Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
 attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
 works very well.

  This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
  process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

 That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
 default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

 Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came
 through as an .mht file, right?  If not, could you please send me a
 .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean?

 Thanks.

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Re[2]: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Alex P. Madarasz, Jr.

On Saturday, August 12, 2000, 8:07:51 PM, Ming-Li wrote:
 Hi Januk,

  I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available
  to me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?

 Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every
 opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either,
 but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system.

 The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the
 whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside
 is not all browsers recognize it.

  Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.

 Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though.

 Does  anyone know if there any other methods that are more
 universal?

 I would like to know about that, too.

Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of
invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a VCDJ
article I just grabbed for reference):

 From: Saved by Microsoft Internet Explorer 5
 Subject: Listing 1
 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:17:36 -0400
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: multipart/related;
   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0";
   type="text/html"
 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700
 
 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
 
 --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
 Content-Type: text/html;
   charset="Windows-1252"
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Content-Location: 
http://www.devx.com/upload/free/features/vcdj/2000/07jul00/bn2_0007/listing1.asp
 
 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
 HTMLHEADTITLEListing 1/TITLE
 ...

 --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
 Content-Type: image/gif
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 Content-Location: http://ads.devx.com/adgifs/Unify1_8.1.00.gif
 ...

 --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
 Content-Type: image/gif
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 Content-Location: http://www.devx.com/images/general/devxrule.gif
 
 R0lGODlh5QACALP/AP///97n76Wt1u/v9+fn997e79bW787O57W13q2t1qWlzqWl1pyczs7G58a9
 3gAAACwA5QACAAAEWpCQUow5pzmHUEqLwoxkaZ5oqq5s675wzC50/d1fp3fc5muNYBBDPFiO
 FoqyMCEEJISBVBqgWDCOxu4Tknm/4LB4fBKZQzTcbcfT9XyOTKNIRCaXhapz8IxKIwA7
 
 --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0--

So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able to open
it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window.

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How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

2000-08-12 Thread Michael Kreyling

Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

 Mike

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Re: How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

2000-08-12 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Michael,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  21:14:46 GMT -0400 (which was 6:14 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

 Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
 message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

  Mike

 Try the following

 Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION
 under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION 

 This results in the lines below my name in my sig.

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Re[2]: How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

2000-08-12 Thread Michael Kreyling

On Saturday, August 12, 2000, 9:26:00 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote after talking to me on 
the radio:

JA Hello Michael,


JA On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  21:14:46 GMT -0400 (which was 6:14 PM
JA where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

 Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
 message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

  Mike

JA  Try the following

JA  Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION
JA  under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION 

JA  This results in the lines below my name in my sig.
Thank you for helping me.It works good.I have alot to learn about The
Bat.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Januk,

 That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
 default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

  Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came
  through as an .mht file, right?  If not, could you please send me a
  .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean?

Yes, it came in as a .mht file.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Alex,

 Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of
 invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a
 VCDJ article I just grabbed for reference):

[example snipped]

Right. It's pretty similar to what you get when someone email the
page to you from within IE.

 So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able
 to open it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window.

Maybe, but it doesn't in reality. :(

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Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Greetings Bat Fans,

Over  the  past twelve months the TB lists have been growing steadily.
Leif  Gregory,  Wolfgang Kynaast and I have been having to work harder
just  to  keep  up  with  the  traffic,  moderation and administration
issues.  Geographically  speaking,  given  that  Wolfgang and I are in
Europe  and  Leif  is  in Japan, am we have had a gap in the time-zone
coverage that has recently shown itself to be a problem.

We  are  pleased to announce that Curtis Martin (aka Allie) has agreed
to  join  our ranks as a full moderator effective immediately. We know
that  he  will  be  a fine addition to the team and that his unfailing
helpfulness,  calm  demeanour  and  knowledge of both TB and the lists
themselves will proves be valuable assets as time goes by.

Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

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Re: Filtering problems (addresses with a hyphen)

2000-08-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Warren,

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:38:54 -0400 GMT (13/08/2000, 03:38 +0800 GMT),
Warren wrote:

W I  filter  mail  mostly based on recipient, e.g., [EMAIL PROTECTED].
W Error and informationalmessagesareaddressedto
W [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, despite filters and folders
W specifically  set  up  for  them, are sent to the main listname folders.
W It's  as  if The Bat is ignoring the hyphens.  I've tried putting quotes
W around  the  addresses,  changing  the  orders  of the filters, and even
W filtering based on additional conditions, but it doesn't work.

W Any suggestions?

On what do you filter exactly? If you are looking for the string
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]", or course this is also a substring of
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Therefore, the additional condition for
those messages not to owner could be: string "owner" is "not present"
in "kludges". However, it depends a bit on how you set up the headers;
on this list, each message does have the string "owner" in the
headers. But you see what I'm getting at.

HTH.

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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

2000-08-12 Thread Ming-Li

Hi Januk,

 StringLocation  Presence
 Reply-To: TBUDL|TBBETASenderYes

 It haven't missed a message, yet.

  With the way you have written the string, what is TB searching for?

Oops, mistaken. I copied yours and modified, but didn't make it
right. Mine is in fact:

String LocationPresence
TBUDL|TBBETA   Sender  Yes

I don't need the "Reply-To:" field identifier, since I'm not using
the "Kludge" test.

  I'm curious as to the function of the | method of making an OR
  connection.  It has always seemed less ambiguous to me to use the
  Alternatives tab for OR relationships in my filter strings.

Generally speaking, I use the alternative sets only when different
"locations" (or in rare cases, "presence") are involved. In this
case, since both strings are sought in "Sender", there's no need to
use alternative sets.

Theoretically, "(TBUDL in SENDER) or (TBBETA in SENDER)" is the same
as "(TBUDL or TBBETA) in SENDER", but the latter is more natural to
me. I think it's just a matter of habit.

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Tony Boom

This message: 12/08/2000 11:20 GMT.
Hello Marck,

On 12 August 2000 at 10:21:28 GMT +0100 (which was 10:21 where I live)
Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

MDP Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

  Allie (Curtis),

  Please accept my extended warm welcome. When I first joined The Bat
  lists, because of your knowledge of TB! and the help you first gave
  me, I got the impression you were already a moderator or even one of
  TB! authors.

  It's clear from the recent escalation of postings and the content of
  some, that extra management was needed. I couldn't think of a better
  person to take on that role.
  
  Would it be too presumptuous of me to ask what your preferred method
  of chastisement will be. Wet fish, dry fish or some other more
  sinister means of crowd control?  :-)

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Nick Danger

In Reference to "Moderator's Announcement" From Tony Boom:

T Wet fish, dry fish.

I feel a sudden urge to go read some Dr. Seuss!

Let's hope A.C. doesn't decide to start using some medical implement
during his reign of terror as a means of punishment! If I have to bend
over and cough, it might just be time to start up that newsgroup! ;-)

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Re[4]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

2000-08-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hi Marc,

on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:32:31 -0400 GMT
your local time, which was 12.08.2000, 15:32:31 (GMT+0200) my local time,
you wrote about "How can I filter the messages from TBUDL":

M Should a space exist between the pipe and text:

M test1|test2   OR test1 | test2  

AFAIK without space ! As long as you don't use special characters as [] or ""
you don't have to put the whole selection string in ' '. But when I tried it it
never worked the way I wanted (Version 1.42). Since then I use the Alternatives
tab with great success !!

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Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

2000-08-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:10:14 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH Who are you? Joe in another guise? Since this is the second time
DH some *newbie* seems to know everything (incl. basic rules for this
DH list) better than Steve - with whom I not always agree - I have to
DH write something about it; you (no, not you Steve) are beginning to
DH get on my nerves!

Please desist from this sort of innuendo in relation to Starc. The last
thing we wish for a rehash of the argument. Nuh?

DH And now one for the topic: I use news groups and I use mailing
DH lists. On the whole I do like the mailing list approach as it
DH usually helps to deflect trolls.

DH BTW, there is no logical right/wrong answer to your suggestions.
DH There may be an empirical one, so for my part you and Joe open your
DH own TB! news group (better still make it a BBS) and leave us real
DH users alone.

Starc only made a suggestion which admittedly lacked tact in certain
aspects and enough has been said about it so please stop this now. A
request was already made by Marck. The whole thing was borne of a
misunderstanding of tone and feelings got peeked. There's no need to
prolong this any further or invite Starc to start his own group.

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Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)

2000-08-12 Thread Chuck Mattsen

On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 11:45 AM or thereabouts, Thomas
Fernandez wrote the following about Replies arrive before originals
(was:Re: Strange error message when sending):

Thomas On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53
Thomas +0800 GMT), Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before
GE the original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two
GE days for the original message.

GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

Case in point, Gerd, I only received your message, just now,
second-hand via Thomas' reply; I've yet to receive your original post.
It's been happening to me, only with this list out of many high-volume
lists, for either two or three days. Despite what others may suggest
regarding your ISP, I suspect the problem is *not* on the listmember
end of things.

Chuck
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Re: Moderator's Announcement

2000-08-12 Thread Assad Toorab

Hello,

MDP Please  extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do
MDP :-)

  Congratulation  Curtis!  It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
  supplementary  moderator  and it is an even better decision that
  Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.

All the best,
Assad

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