Re: Filtering problems (addresses with a hyphen)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Warren,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  15:38:54 GMT -0400 (which was 12:38 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> I  run  a  few  mailing lists (directly on the mailserver, not using The
> Bat) and have problems filtering mail with them.

> I  filter  mail  mostly based on recipient, e.g., <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> Error and informationalmessagesareaddressedto
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and, despite filters and folders
> specifically  set  up  for  them, are sent to the main listname folders.

> Any suggestions?

 What are your filter strings exactly?
 The first filter should have

 StringLocation   Presence
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipient  Yes

 Then the second one should be

 StringLocation   Presence
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   recipient  Yes

 Note that there are no <> brackets around the address.  Does that
 work?
 

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Re: Filtering problems (addresses with a hyphen)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Warren,

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:38:54 -0400 GMT (13/08/2000, 03:38 +0800 GMT),
Warren wrote:

W> I  filter  mail  mostly based on recipient, e.g., <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
W> Error and informationalmessagesareaddressedto
W> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and, despite filters and folders
W> specifically  set  up  for  them, are sent to the main listname folders.
W> It's  as  if The Bat is ignoring the hyphens.  I've tried putting quotes
W> around  the  addresses,  changing  the  orders  of the filters, and even
W> filtering based on additional conditions, but it doesn't work.

W> Any suggestions?

On what do you filter exactly? If you are looking for the string
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]", or course this is also a substring of
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Therefore, the additional condition for
those messages not to owner could be: string "owner" is "not present"
in "kludges". However, it depends a bit on how you set up the headers;
on this list, each message does have the string "owner" in the
headers. But you see what I'm getting at.

HTH.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Ming-Li]

Hi Alex,

> Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of
> invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a
> VCDJ article I just grabbed for reference):

[example snipped]

Right. It's pretty similar to what you get when someone email the
page to you from within IE.

> So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able
> to open it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window.

Maybe, but it doesn't in reality. :(

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Ming-Li]

Hi Januk,

>> That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
>> default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

>  Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came
>  through as an .mht file, right?  If not, could you please send me a
>  .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean?

Yes, it came in as a .mht file.

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Re[2]: How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

[Michael Kreyling]

On Saturday, August 12, 2000, 9:26:00 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote after talking to me on 
the radio:

JA> Hello Michael,


JA> On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  21:14:46 GMT -0400 (which was 6:14 PM
JA> where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

>> Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
>> message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

>>  Mike

JA>  Try the following

JA>  Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION
JA>  under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION 

JA>  This results in the lines below my name in my sig.
Thank you for helping me.It works good.I have alot to learn about The
Bat.

Michael




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Re: How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Michael,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  21:14:46 GMT -0400 (which was 6:14 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
> message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

>  Mike

 Try the following

 Using The Bat! %THEBATVERSION
 under %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build 
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION 

 This results in the lines below my name in my sig.

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How do I add The Bat version to my messages?

[Michael Kreyling]

Can someone tell me how to add The Bat and Windows versions to each
message.I forgot how to do it.Thank you for your help.

 Mike

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Re[2]: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Alex P. Madarasz, Jr.]

On Saturday, August 12, 2000, 8:07:51 PM, Ming-Li wrote:
> Hi Januk,

>>  I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available
>>  to me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?

> Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every
> opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either,
> but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system.

>>> The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the
>>> whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside
>>> is not all browsers recognize it.

>>  Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.

> Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though.

>> Does  anyone know if there any other methods that are more
>> universal?

> I would like to know about that, too.

Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of
invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a VCDJ
article I just grabbed for reference):

> From: 
> Subject: Listing 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:17:36 -0400
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/related;
>   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0";
>   type="text/html"
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
> Content-Type: text/html;
>   charset="Windows-1252"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Content-Location: 
>http://www.devx.com/upload/free/features/vcdj/2000/07jul00/bn2_0007/listing1.asp
> 
> 
> Listing 1
> ...
>
> --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
> Content-Type: image/gif
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Location: http://ads.devx.com/adgifs/Unify1_8.1.00.gif
> ...
>
> --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0
> Content-Type: image/gif
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Location: http://www.devx.com/images/general/devxrule.gif
> 
> R0lGODlh5QACALP/AP///97n76Wt1u/v9+fn997e79bW787O57W13q2t1qWlzqWl1pyczs7G58a9
> 3gAAACwA5QACAAAEWpCQUow5pzmHUEqLwoxkaZ5oqq5s675wzC50/d1fp3fc5muNYBBDPFiO
> FoqyMCEEJISBVBqgWDCOxu4Tknm/4LB4fBKZQzTcbcfT9XyOTKNIRCaXhapz8IxKIwA7
> 
> --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0--

So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able to open
it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window.

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Ming-Li,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  17:07:51 GMT -0700 (which was 5:07 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

 Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
 attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
 works very well.

>>  This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
>>  process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

> That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
> default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

 Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came
 through as an .mht file, right?  If not, could you please send me a
 .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean?

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Ming-Li]

Hi Januk,

>  I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available
>  to me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?

Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every
opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either,
but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system.

>> The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the
>> whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside
>> is not all browsers recognize it.

>  Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.

Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though.

> Does  anyone know if there any other methods that are more
> universal?

I would like to know about that, too.

>>> Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
>>> attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
>>> works very well.

>  This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
>  process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the
default Base64 encoding, and it was fine.

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Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

[Mark Aston]

On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:55:19PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
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> Saturday, August 12, 2000, 6:10:14 AM, Dierk wrote:
> > Who are you? Joe in another guise?
> 
> Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

Perhaps he re-subscribed under anothername??

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Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

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Re: SOT: tbudl's mailserver (was: Re: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?)

[Steve Lamb]

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Friday, August 11, 2000, 5:07:14 PM, Roel wrote:
> http://mdaemon.deerfield.com/

MDaemon is actually an attempt at an MTA on Windows that has built in list
server functionality.  The whole thing seems subpar to me on all levels and
certainly not something I would trust on any network of mine for more than a
few moments.

As for the list server section, from what I could tell it was maybe about
1/3rd the capabilities of Listar.  I doubt any serious tuning or thought has
gone into it given the main focus of the product is MTA.

> Where can I find Listar?



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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Ming-Li,


On  Saturday, August 12, 2000  at  15:12:34 GMT -0700 (which was 3:12 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> Hi David,

>> Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format.  (You
>> must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't
>> use it.

> Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht
> format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's
> related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important.

 I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to
 me.  Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers?  I would be very
 interested in getting this ability without having to install OE5.
 Does the offline Browser pack have anything to do with this?

> The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole
> page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all
> browsers recognize it.

 Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference.  Does
 anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal?

>> Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
>> attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
>> works very well.

 This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right?  TB doesn't
 process it any differently than say an .exe file does it?

 

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Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures

[Ming-Li]

Hi David,

> Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format.  (You
> must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't
> use it.

Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht
format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's
related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important.

The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole
page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all
browsers recognize it.

> Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
> attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
> works very well.

Just curious, does it have to be QP? Other encoding methods seem to
work fine here. Is there any reason to specify QP for the
attachment? I'm asking for QP isn't the default, and you can't even
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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

[Ming-Li]

Hi starc,

> I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know
> why :) The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I
> took a closer look, and there is an option that says "continue
> processing with other rules" that has to be checked, and it
> wasn't

It has to be checked only when you other rules to be applied to the
messages that has been handled by the first rule. It won't prevent
other rules to be applied to other messages (that don't match the
first rule).

If indeed enabling the option solves your problem, then the first
rule is preempting the second rule, meaning you've probably had too
broad a filter definition for the first rule.

> (a bad default in my opinion).

It's a good default for me (and I guess you'll agree if understand
what exactly the option means), since few of my messages have to be
handled by more than one rule.

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Re[2]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

[Graham]

Hello Marck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 9:58:43 AM, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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MDP> Hi Graham,

MDP> On 12 August 2000 at 05:22:51 GMT +0100 (which was 05:22 where I
MDP> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?":

ND>>>  At the risk of a trouting, that's plain ignorant and I shouldn't
ND>>> need to explain why.

G>> "Trouting"??  What does that mean?

MDP> It is a humorous reference to a mild telling off from the moderators -
MDP> "being  slapped  with a trout". I did explain a few days ago, however,
MDP> that the cat ran off with mine :-(.

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Thanks.  I guess Monty Python has a lot to answer for on the internet:
spamming and trouting..

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Tony Boom]

This message: 12/08/2000 16:58 GMT.
Hello Nick,

On 12 August 2000 at 06:38:02 GMT -0500 (which was 12:38 where I live)
Nick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

ND> Let's hope A.C. doesn't decide to start using some medical implement
ND> during his reign of terror as a means of punishment

  I forgot about AC's medical training.

  Still, it wouldn't work on me, I've already been done ;-\
  


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Re: Separate Address Book or Group within AB for Mail Distrtibution List?

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0400, JM14 wrote:

J> Is there any advantage/disadvantage to:

J> (1) creating a separate Address Book -- or Directory as it
J> sometimes appears to be called -- for a newsletter distribution
J> list, or

J> (2)creating a Group within the main Address Book for said list?

J> The list currently has a few dozen entries, will soon grow to
J> 1,000 or more, and may eventually reach several times that
J> number.

I can't think of any particular advantage to creating a separate address
book since TB!'s 'separate' address books aren't really 'separate' in
the true sense. The different address books are accessible through all
accounts. You may as well create a group unless you wish to organize
things another way and relegate the list addresses to a new address
book.

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:13:52 +0400, Assad Toorab wrote:
AT>> Congratulation   Curtis!   It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
AT>> supplementary  moderator  and  it  is an even better decision that
AT>> Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.
 
AT> Why  did my message appeared so many times? I did not post so many
AT> of them!

I only saw two copies  one sent to TBUDL and the other to TBBETA.

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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:13:45 -0300, starc wrote:

s> I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know why
s> :) The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
s> closer look, and there is an option that says "continue processing
s> with other rules" that has to be checked, and it wasn't(a bad default
s> in my opinion). So the processing stopped after my first rule. I just
s> checked that box now, and hopefully it should work.

H. I have 25 incoming message filter rules, all working nicely and
not one of them has that option checked. In fact, I've never enabled
this 'continue processing with other rules' option since using TB!.
Never had to  and I have filter rules for all categories in use, ie,
replied, read and outgoing filter rules. Be sure to tell us if this
option solves the problem.

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Re[2]: Moderator's Announcement

[Assad Toorab]

AT> Congratulation   Curtis!   It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
AT> supplementary  moderator  and  it  is an even better decision that
AT> Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.
 
Why  did my message appeared so many times? I did not post so many
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Separate Address Book or Group within AB for Mail Distrtibution List?

[JM14]

Hi,

Is there any advantage/disadvantage to:

(1) creating a separate Address Book -- or Directory as it
sometimes appears to be called -- for a newsletter distribution
list, or

(2)creating a Group within the main Address Book for said list?

The list currently has a few dozen entries, will soon grow to
1,000 or more, and may eventually reach several times that
number.

Thanks.

Be well,
Jerry  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Filtering problems (addresses with a hyphen)

[Warren]

I  run  a  few  mailing lists (directly on the mailserver, not using The
Bat) and have problems filtering mail with them.

I  filter  mail  mostly based on recipient, e.g., <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
Error and informationalmessagesareaddressedto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and, despite filters and folders
specifically  set  up  for  them, are sent to the main listname folders.
It's  as  if The Bat is ignoring the hyphens.  I've tried putting quotes
around  the  addresses,  changing  the  orders  of the filters, and even
filtering based on additional conditions, but it doesn't work.

Any suggestions?

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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Thursday, June 29, 2000 at 8:13 AM or thereabouts, starc wrote the
following about How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the
mistake):

starc> The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
starc> closer look, and there is an option that says "continue
starc> processing with other rules" that has to be checked, and it
starc> wasn't(a bad default in my opinion).

Agreed.


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Re[2]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)

[starc]

Hello Chuck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 1:17:40 AM, you wrote:


CS> Setup  a  filter  to  move  messages from in box to a seperate folder.
CS> Filter with the string:
CS> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CS> with the location as:
CS> Recipient
CS> with Presence set as:
CS> yes.
CS> Make sure the filter is active and this should work. It does for me.

I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know why :)
The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a
closer look, and there is an option that says "continue processing
with other rules" that has to be checked, and it wasn't(a bad default
in my opinion). So the processing stopped after my first rule. I just
checked that box now, and hopefully it should work.

Thanks, starc

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Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 11:45 AM or thereabouts, Thomas
Fernandez wrote the following about Replies arrive before originals
(was:Re: Strange error message when sending):

Thomas> On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53
Thomas> +0800 GMT), Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE>> I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before
GE>> the original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two
GE>> days for the original message.

GE>> Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

Case in point, Gerd, I only received your message, just now,
second-hand via Thomas' reply; I've yet to receive your original post.
It's been happening to me, only with this list out of many high-volume
lists, for either two or three days. Despite what others may suggest
regarding your ISP, I suspect the problem is *not* on the listmember
end of things.

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Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Gerd,

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE> I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original
GE> msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message.

GE> Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

I used to have this problem with my former account (@ibm.net) and it
turned out that the server was off-line for hours on end every couple
of days.

When the Mailing List server cannot connect, it will put the message
meant for you into a queue and only try so much later again, or so I
was told. Traffic on this list has been huge these past days, maybe
the retry is therefore even later, or the queue longer (I'm
speculating).

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Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:10:14 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Who are you? Joe in another guise? Since this is the second time
DH> some *newbie* seems to know everything (incl. basic rules for this
DH> list) better than Steve - with whom I not always agree - I have to
DH> write something about it; you (no, not you Steve) are beginning to
DH> get on my nerves!

Please desist from this sort of innuendo in relation to Starc. The last
thing we wish for a rehash of the argument. Nuh?

DH> And now one for the topic: I use news groups and I use mailing
DH> lists. On the whole I do like the mailing list approach as it
DH> usually helps to deflect trolls.

DH> BTW, there is no logical right/wrong answer to your suggestions.
DH> There may be an empirical one, so for my part you and Joe open your
DH> own TB! news group (better still make it a BBS) and leave us real
DH> users alone.

Starc only made a suggestion which admittedly lacked tact in certain
aspects and enough has been said about it so please stop this now. A
request was already made by Marck. The whole thing was borne of a
misunderstanding of tone and feelings got peeked. There's no need to
prolong this any further or invite Starc to start his own group.

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Re: Strange error message when sending

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE> I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the
GE> original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for
GE> the original message.

GE> Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?

Having no such problems here.

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Re: Strange error message when sending

[Jamie Dainton]

Hello Christine,

Friday, August 11, 2000, 6:46:35 PM, you wrote:

CB> "Exception EInvalidOperation in module THEBAT.EXE at 0005AD5B. Control
CB> 'eMsg' has no parent window."

CB> After I click "OK" in the message box, the program closes out. When I
CB> re-open it, I find that the e-mail has been sent. Everything seems
CB> normal, no problems all. But, as soon as I write and send an e-mail
CB> that message pops up again.

Is  that  immediate  send  or  delayed  send? Was TB! minimized to the
system  tray  while  writing  the  e-mail. This may fool Delphi 2 into
thinking  the  parent  window (although that is a more MDI issue) does
not  exist. I think this is one for Stefan. In the short term it might
be  worth using the beta version. Some people won't agree with me but
I  often  find that the betas are more stable than the release. I know
that  sounds wrong but I've beta tested enough software to know if the
stability has increased.

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Re[3]: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello starc!

Thursday, June 29, 2000, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote:


> Hmm...this confirms what I was saying...people just aren't open for
> innovations.

Who are you? Joe in another guise? Since this is the second time some
*newbie* seems to know everything (incl. basic rules for this list)
better than Steve - with whom I not always agree - I have to write
something about it; you (no, not you Steve) are beginning to get on my
nerves!

And now one for the topic: I use news groups and I use mailing lists.
On the whole I do like the mailing list approach as it usually helps
to deflect trolls.

BTW, there is no logical right/wrong answer to your suggestions. There
may be an empirical one, so for my part you and Joe open your own TB!
news group (better still make it a BBS) and leave us real users alone.

I hope this is not to degrading ...


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Re[4]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hi Marc,

on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:32:31 -0400 GMT
your local time, which was 12.08.2000, 15:32:31 (GMT+0200) my local time,
you wrote about "How can I filter the messages from TBUDL":

M> Should a space exist between the pipe and text:

M> test1|test2   OR test1 | test2  

AFAIK without space ! As long as you don't use special characters as [] or ""
you don't have to put the whole selection string in ' '. But when I tried it it
never worked the way I wanted (Version 1.42). Since then I use the Alternatives
tab with great success !!

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Re[3]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello starc!

Thursday, June 29, 2000, 3:40:21 AM, you wrote:


> Well, I really havent thought about it this way...Maybe we should
> also consider using the old paper mail system...so that those poor
> folks who dont even have email access could read our discussions.  

Are you sure there are so many people interested in this *discussion*?


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Re[3]: Strange error message when sending

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hi Christine,

on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:55:17 -0400 GMT
your local time, which was 12.08.2000, 14:55:17 (GMT+0200) my local time,
you wrote about "Strange error message when sending":



CB> One odd note, when I sent my e-mail to TBUDL I didn't get that
CB> message. [the only time I didn't] I knew there was something "magical"
CB> about this list! 

I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original
msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message.

Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ?


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Re[2]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

[Marc]

Hello Januk,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 12:33:51 am, you wrote:

JA> StringLocation  Presence
JA> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]KludgesYes

StringLocation  Presence
@thebat|dutaint.com   KludgesYes

That way all bat related mail goes to my bat folder. Includes tech
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Re[3]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

[Marc]

Hello Gerd,
GE> I always thought I'm the only one having problems with the "pipe"-symbol. It

Should a space exist between the pipe and text:

test1|test2   OR test1 | test2  

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sending a webpage complete with pictures

[David Powell]

hmmm, i've just discovered an ace trick.

Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format.  (You must
have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't use it.

Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and
attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu.  It
works very well.

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Re[2]: Mail ticker

[Patrick Erler]

hallo Oliver!

on Friday, August 11, 2000, 4:10:13 PM, you wrote:

OS> Hi Curtis,

OS> On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 11:26:22 PM you wrote:

OS>>> OK now, same question as always: Is anyone from RITLABS listening in
OS>>> on their own product's mailing list or should I submit this stuff as
OS>>> a formal feature request?

>> They do read the list but since the list has been so busy and filled
>> with long argumentative threads they may just miss your feature request.
>> I suggest you send it separately to Ritlabs.

OS> OK,  I  did  that.  Forgot  to cc it to the list, though ;) Anyway, it
OS> tries to be a condensed version of what was discussed.
thanks for that..



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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Assad Toorab]

Hello,

MDP> Please  extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do
MDP> :-)

  Congratulation  Curtis!  It  was  a  sound  decision  to  add  a
  supplementary  moderator  and it is an even better decision that
  Curtis has been assigned this responsibility.

All the best,
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Re[2]: Strange error message when sending

[Christine Bonelli]

Hello Ming-Li,

Friday, August 11, 2000, 11:39:02 PM, you wrote:

ML> I guess you either discovered a bug in TB or there're some
ML> compatibility issue between TB and one of your system files (like
ML> wrong version of DLL or the sort of things). I would suggest you
ML> to try out the newest beta version (be forewarned that it IS a
ML> beta, though generally speaking very stable, at least at my end),
ML> or file an official but report to RIT.

Thank you for your advice. I just downloaded the beta version and, so
far, have not had that error message when sending mail. Hopefully,
using the beta has solved the problem.

One odd note, when I sent my e-mail to TBUDL I didn't get that
message. [the only time I didn't] I knew there was something "magical"
about this list! 

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:38:02 -0500, Nick Danger wrote:

ND> I feel a sudden urge to go read some Dr. Seuss!

ND> Let's hope A.C. doesn't decide to start using some medical implement
ND> during his reign of terror as a means of punishment! If I have to
ND> bend over and cough, it might just be time to start up that
ND> newsgroup! ;-)

ROTFL!! You know, I never thought of that, but I'll give it some
consideration. Maybe I'll select one of the orthopaedic instruments such
as a mallet? 

Thanks VERY much for all the welcomes.

And to all list transgressors ... I am Allie (Curtis) of Borg ...
Resistance is futile. :-)

In all seriousness though, I was quite honoured and flattered when asked
to be a full moderator and I had to graciously accept. I'll do my best
to be fair while assisting in maintaining a tranquil, helpful and
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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Nick Danger]

In Reference to "Moderator's Announcement" From Tony Boom:

T> Wet fish, dry fish.

I feel a sudden urge to go read some Dr. Seuss!

Let's hope A.C. doesn't decide to start using some medical implement
during his reign of terror as a means of punishment! If I have to bend
over and cough, it might just be time to start up that newsgroup! ;-)

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Re: Filtering to other accounts...

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:32:01 -0500, Nick Danger wrote:

C>> AFAIK, yes, since the messages have not yet reached their
C>> destinations when being filtered to the other accounts. I bind
C>> attachments to messages so I can't absolutely confirm this for you

ND> I filter through multiple accounts also and find that attachments do
ND> not follow the folder rules of the new account. Of course, I do not
ND> bind them so perhaps that why my mileage is varying, still, you
ND> would think the logical course would be that if you wanted the
ND> message moved that the attachment should come along also unless
ND> specified differently via filtration.

Hmmm. IMHO, that really shouldn't be. If I am filtering incoming
messages to go straight to another accounts folder (not passing 'Go' and
not collecting $200) then I'd expect any attachments would go and settle
in the destination accounts attachments folder.

This is different from moving messages already in one account to another
account. Messages in this circumstance would have had the attachments
unbound, if so configured, and placed in the accounts attachment folder.

ND> Then again, that's what I want it to do so of course it would seem
ND> logical to me since my logic always favors my opinion! ;-)

What you're saying makes sense to me, if you're referring to a *direct*
incoming filter action to move the message to another accounts folder.

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Re: Newsgroups/forums for TB - was Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

[Mark R Harding]

Leif,

Regarding your message dated: 12 August 2000...

LG> 3. The list was about an e-mail program, and it made perfect sense to
LG>me that since the people subscribed to TBUDL would be using TB to
LG>get their mail anyway, why not keep two related things together.
LG>(Yes, I know, there were a few people who were subscribed to the
LG>lists but used other MUAs.)

Among  the  many  more immediate benefits I acquired when I originally
'trialled'  The  Bat!, the fact that the email program itself could be
used to run a discussion list such as TBUDL quite impressed me.

It may only highlight my naivety/ignorance to admit it, but having
really used only Netscape Messenger as my mail client for many years
(and DXMail - a DEC unix reader much like DT-Mail under Solaris/CDE
now - before that.) I was not aware that any other programs had such
capabilities and that for me pronounced TB! as something quite special
all by itself.

Being loath to leave Messenger at first (due to the workload involved
in transferring messages/filters etc/addresses) I became convinced by
a combination of TB! itself, the frequent and *useful* upgrades
provided by Max/Stefan/Rit and particularly by the quality of the
discussions that take place on TBUDL/TBBETA.

I have been a member of other discussion lists before and remain a
member of only one other group now besides TBUDL/TBBETA and I have to
say that the atmosphere here is the best I've experienced anywhere.
The questions posed by others are often of interest to me, the answers
are normally swift, helpful and to the point and there is a distinct
lack of spam/junk postings which is amazing.  On the other group I
listen in on currently there is normally at least one 'child' every
day who'll throw their rattle out of the pram for no good reason.
Thanks to the moderation of Leif/Marck/Wolfgang (and now Curtis too -
a warm welcome BTW) all these annoyances are pretty much non-existent
for me here.

It may be possible to do things differently and I'm sure none of the
current TBUDL/TBBETA members would behave any differently if things
were (a TB newsgroup for example) but for the reasons Leif outlined,
the control the moderators maintain for the group in keeping the
environment free from unwanted elements leaves us with a decent
environment in which to get on with our discussions and that is
something I'm entirely grateful for.

>From the perspective I have, TBUDL/TBBETA is something quite special
in the way it is supported and maintained.  I hope this continues and
would offer my thanks and encouragement to the group's moderators that
their hard work and other efforts on our behalf are appreciated - from
this small location in Edinburgh at least!

Cheers,

Mark


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Re: Filtering to other accounts...

[Nick Danger]

In Reference to "Filtering to other accounts..." From Curtis:

IS>> Does this also copy attachments if specified to be kept separately ?
IS>> (My long-standing problem...)

C> AFAIK, yes, since the messages have not yet reached their destinations
C> when being filtered to the other accounts. I bind attachments to
C> messages so I can't absolutely confirm this for you

I filter through multiple accounts also and find that attachments do
not follow the folder rules of the new account. Of course, I do not
bind them so perhaps that why my mileage is varying, still, you would
think the logical course would be that if you wanted the message moved
that the attachment should come along also unless specified
differently via filtration.

Then again, that's what I want it to do so of course it would seem
logical to me since my logic always favors my opinion! ;-)

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Newsgroups/forums for TB - was Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello all,

When I started TBUDL, I gave serious consideration to doing it in a
newsgroup. Four things affected my decision to with a discussion list
instead:

1. Lack of control concerning who and who could not post. i.e.
   - Spammers
   - People whose only intention is to bash TB (and there have been a
 few even on TBUDL.)

2. The unbelievably great support I got from Max and Stefan when I
   showed RITLabs that with a few enhancements, I could use TB to host
   the discussion list. I had a brand-spanking new binary sitting in
   my inbox the very next day with many of the proposed enhancements I
   asked for to make TB a viable list server.

3. The list was about an e-mail program, and it made perfect sense to
   me that since the people subscribed to TBUDL would be using TB to
   get their mail anyway, why not keep two related things together.
   (Yes, I know, there were a few people who were subscribed to the
   lists but used other MUAs.)

4. I wasn't familiar with the process of setting up a newsgroup.


A number of TB related discussion lists have popped up since then
(mainly for other languages), and I say more power to people to do it.
The same goes for a NG and forum. If you want to start one, go for it.
If people use it, great! However, past experience has shown that they
won't.

For example, a TB forum was created by Erik Ommundsen at
 (Defunct now) in January of
2000. It was a relatively nice forum as forums go, but it didn't get
much use.

1. People wanted to be able to do off-line browsing of posts.
2. Forums are notoriously slow.
3. Depending on the type of forum, it can be hard to follow threads.

My personal opinion on a NG is that it would most certainly fare
better than the forum did, but now people are required to have a NG
reader, SPAM is ever present, multiple NGs on similar subjects often
get nasty cross-posting problems-- as opposed to the discussion lists
where the moderators have control over who can post and where.

I'm not saying it won't work, but me personally, I wouldn't use it. I
use the NGs for many different purposes, but for the task of
discussing TB, I am perfectly content and feel that the discussion
lists suit my needs exactly.


Cheers,
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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Tony Boom]

This message: 12/08/2000 11:20 GMT.
Hello Marck,

On 12 August 2000 at 10:21:28 GMT +0100 (which was 10:21 where I live)
Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

MDP> Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

  Allie (Curtis),

  Please accept my extended warm welcome. When I first joined The Bat
  lists, because of your knowledge of TB! and the help you first gave
  me, I got the impression you were already a moderator or even one of
  TB! authors.

  It's clear from the recent escalation of postings and the content of
  some, that extra management was needed. I couldn't think of a better
  person to take on that role.
  
  Would it be too presumptuous of me to ask what your preferred method
  of chastisement will be. Wet fish, dry fish or some other more
  sinister means of crowd control?  :-)

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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Deryk Lister]

Not another pest^H^H^H^H moderator ;)
Congrats.

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Re: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

[Tony Boom]

This message: 12/08/2000 10:51 GMT.
Hello Graham,

On 12 August 2000 at 05:22:51 GMT +0100 (which was 05:22 where I live)
Graham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

G> "Trouting"??  What does that mean?


  Trouting is a severe sadist act used by the list moderators to keep
  us mere mortals in line.

  If any individual uses bad language or resorts to personal insulting
  behaviour or any other unacceptable behaviour then they are
  repeatedly beaten with a very large fresh wet fish.

  Leif prefers to leave his fish in the sun for a few days to dry in
  the belief that it affords him a better grip and so reduces the risk
  of the fish inadvertently slipping from his hands and missing it's
  intended target.

  Most of us have at some time in our lives experienced a "Trouting".

  Not very pleasant but sometimes very necessary.


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Re[3]: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?

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on Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:29:35 -0300 GMT
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you wrote about "why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?":



s>  Pegasus Mail has 2 newsgroups,
s> they seem to work quite well, so I think there could also be a
s> newsgroup for the bat.

Hello America, don't forget those few cis-Atlantic users of TB! !! May be there
are two English speaking Pegasus NGs; I found *7* Pegasus NGs: at least two
Italian, two German, plus I don't think that an additional NG would be a good
idea: the knowledge base is split in several groups; crossposting starts a.s.o.

I admit that TBUDL /could/ have been realized in a NG, but the main theme is a
mail-client: the best practice is to use the program, you are discussing about,
while you discuss ! Furthermore: like you, starc, I really hate the argument "No
we won't change this because we always did it this way !". Yes, there are
situations where something has to be changed !! But this has to happen in an
ALL-WIN situation. The advantages resulting out of a change to a NG or
introducing an additional NG /must/ at least equal the disadvantages. To be
honest, I can't see this in the moment. Maybe I didn't look close enough at the
pros and cons, but I'm sure that a change would require quite a lot of work,
energy and perhaps money (??).


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Re[2]: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

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on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:44:28 -0500 GMT
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you wrote about "Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?":



C> His clock is not up to date and a good example of why I sort according
C> to received time on mailing lists.



Thanks, I never thought of that way sorting my post. But it makes sense !!


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Re[2]: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

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on Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:08:11 -0700 GMT
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you wrote about "How can I filter the messages from TBUDL":



JA>  I'm curious as to the function of the | method of making an OR
JA>  connection.  It has always seemed less ambiguous to me to use the
JA>  Alternatives tab for OR relationships in my filter strings.

I always thought I'm the only one having problems with the "pipe"-symbol. It
should result in a logical (Boole) OR but it never worked in a proper way here.
Some strings have to be put in ''. Whatever I tried it went wrong. So I use the
Alternatives tab as well.


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Re: Moderator's Announcement

[Mark Aston]

Hi Marck,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 10:21:28 AM, you wrote:

MDP> Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

I would, but he has gone fishing for Trout:-)

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Re: Filtering to other accounts...

[Curtis]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:25:37 +0200, István Szendrõ wrote:

C>> Or you could copy the filters being used in the main account to the
C>> other accounts so that the messages can be filtered across accounts
C>> straight to their respective folders in the main account. This may be
C>> more efficient than redirecting. The messages will be filtered once
C>> instead of twice. The disadvantage is setting up.

IS> Does this also copy attachments if specified to be kept separately ?
IS> (My long-standing problem...)

AFAIK, yes, since the messages have not yet reached their destinations
when being filtered to the other accounts. I bind attachments to
messages so I can't absolutely confirm this for you. :-/

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Re: Mailbox Import

[Mark Aston]

Hi Tom,

Saturday, August 12, 2000, 6:09:08 AM, you wrote:



TF>> On this computer here in the office, where Outlook is installed buit I
TF>> don't use it, a search like this:

TF>> c:\dir *.dbx/s

TP> Can't comment on the extension specifics, but to be pedantic the
TP> switch needs to be before the filespec and there needs to be spaces
TP> between the arguements.

 Outlook (as opposed to Outlook Express) does not use *.dbx files, but
 one large *.pst file. TB! cannot import from Outlook directly, you
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Moderator's Announcement

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Greetings Bat Fans,

Over  the  past twelve months the TB lists have been growing steadily.
Leif  Gregory,  Wolfgang Kynaast and I have been having to work harder
just  to  keep  up  with  the  traffic,  moderation and administration
issues.  Geographically  speaking,  given  that  Wolfgang and I are in
Europe  and  Leif  is  in Japan, am we have had a gap in the time-zone
coverage that has recently shown itself to be a problem.

We  are  pleased to announce that Curtis Martin (aka Allie) has agreed
to  join  our ranks as a full moderator effective immediately. We know
that  he  will  be  a fine addition to the team and that his unfailing
helpfulness,  calm  demeanour  and  knowledge of both TB and the lists
themselves will proves be valuable assets as time goes by.

Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).

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Re[2]: Filtering to other accounts...

[István Szendrõ]

Hello Curtis,

Friday, August 11, 2000, 7:30:48 PM, you wrote:



C> Or you could copy the filters being used in the main account to the
C> other accounts so that the messages can be filtered across accounts
C> straight to their respective folders in the main account. This may be
C> more efficient than redirecting. The messages will be filtered once
C> instead of twice. The disadvantage is setting up.

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Re: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

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of "Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?":

ND>>  At the risk of a trouting, that's plain ignorant and I shouldn't
ND>> need to explain why.

G> "Trouting"??  What does that mean?

It is a humorous reference to a mild telling off from the moderators -
"being  slapped  with a trout". I did explain a few days ago, however,
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Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL

[Ming-Li]

Hi Januk,

>> StringLocation  Presence
>> Reply-To: TBUDL|TBBETASenderYes

>> It haven't missed a message, yet.

>  With the way you have written the string, what is TB searching for?

Oops, mistaken. I copied yours and modified, but didn't make it
right. Mine is in fact:

String LocationPresence
TBUDL|TBBETA   Sender  Yes

I don't need the "Reply-To:" field identifier, since I'm not using
the "Kludge" test.

>  I'm curious as to the function of the | method of making an OR
>  connection.  It has always seemed less ambiguous to me to use the
>  Alternatives tab for OR relationships in my filter strings.

Generally speaking, I use the alternative sets only when different
"locations" (or in rare cases, "presence") are involved. In this
case, since both strings are sought in "Sender", there's no need to
use alternative sets.

Theoretically, "(TBUDL in SENDER) or (TBBETA in SENDER)" is the same
as "(TBUDL or TBBETA) in SENDER", but the latter is more natural to
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