Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo BillG,

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:26:54 -0400 GMT (10/09/00, 12:26 +0800 GMT),
BillG wrote:

B 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?  I see the animated icon and the
B Ticker - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

OK, The Bat! assumes that any unread mail is "new". Therefore,
"unread" and "new" messages are treated the same way. However, if you
have found how to indicate by sound when a new mail has arrived, you
can also create a filter catching all incoming messages and run an
external program (Account/Sorting Office/Incoming Mail/New). As
"filering string" in "rule" you choose a catch-all, for example "@"
present in 'kludges' (TB's word for 'headers'). Then under the Action
tab, you click on "Run external program" and have your coffee machine
make a double espresso. ;-)

B 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?

Hold down the ALT key while dragging them.

B 3) I can't find a "view source" function.  I see that I can view the
B RFC-822 headers - that is good.  But I'd like to be able to view the
B entire raw data of any message.  Is that possible?  Every other mail
B reader that I've used has that ability.

Email: headers + body = raw message. HTML: some picture thing.

However, if you tick Options/External Image Viewer, any HTML
attachment will open in you favourite browser in which you can view
the source.

B 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?
B I get weather reports and comics and such from infobeat.com.
B They come in HTML form.  TheBat can't seem to render the files.
B Why?  Netscape mail, Eudora, OE, all render those messages just fine.

The viewer works perfectly, only in TB. If the images are sent with
the message, they will be shown. However, often enough they are not,
and the email client is required to conntact to the internet and "get"
these images. NS, Eudora and OE do that, and we dont' like it: it's a
security problem. We don't want TB to do this.

B 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

AFAIK I think it's not configurable. But we do have a wish list. ;-)

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Bill,

On  Saturday, September 09, 2000  at  00:26:54 GMT -0400 (which was 9:26 PM
where I live) witnesses say BillG typed:

 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?  I see the animated icon and the
 Ticker - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

 Nope.  The closest you can get is to mark "old" unread messages with
 a different colour group, using the flag or park options.  Then mark
 your old unread messages as read.  There are many disadvantages to
 this strategies, but its the closest you can get right now.

 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?  They appear in the
 order that they were created, and I can't fugure out how to
 re-order them.

 Hold down the ALT key while dragging with the mouse.  To make a
 folder a child folder of another folder, use ALT-CTRL and drag.

 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

 I think you have to export the message and view it using your
 favourite text editor.

 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?

 TB renders HTML properly, it just will not go onto the net to search
 for graphics, etc.  If the pictures are sent along with the message,
 then TB will display them correctly.  There are several reasons, one
 of them being:
 Some spammers will send an HTML message with a reference to a small
 graphic with a unique name.  When their server registers a hit on
 that file, they know that your address is active.

 I usually leave the HTML auto-view turned off.  When I get a message
 where I want to see the formatted version, I just double click on the
 attachment icon to view it in my default browser.

 I wouldn't want RIT to spend any time working on the HTML rendering
 engine.  However, I wonder how much work it is to make use of the IE
 engine?  I know several programs that do this to incorporate browser
 capabilities.

 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

 Not yet.  It is supposedly going to be in Version 2.  But don't hold
 your breath waiting for *everything* that is rumoured to be in the
 works for V2.

 The lack of a NewMail indicator, and the HTML viewer problem might
 be show-stoppers (if I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong).




 


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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo David,

On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:22 -0700 GMT (10/09/00, 13:16 +0800 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be
DTS able to do html.

Guess I just confirmed what you say.

DTS  Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming

It's a rumour. I don't believe in it. However, it will not be part of
the email program, that's for sure.

DTS But that shouldn't stop you from using TB.  It does seem to be the
DTS best out there.

Glad you said that. :-)

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi BillG,

On 10 September 2000 at 00:26:54 GMT -0400 (which was 05:26 where I
live) BillG wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie  questions":

B 1)  Is  there no NewMail indicator? I see the animated icon and the
B Ticker  - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW mail.

The  ticker, when in use, has the option "Age limits". This allows you
to configure it to only show *new* unread mesages.

IMHO  the  other  answers  you  have  received are spot-on and I won't
bother restating them. The only thing I will do is endorse the comment
that TB does not use browser "GET" technology to retrieve non-included
graphics  because  it  is  not right that it should. TB is an off-line
reader.  "GET"  is  an on-line function. QED. Any "get with the trend"
type  statement  ridiculing  the  way  TB does this are misleading and
inaccurate.  The  *majority*  of  TB  users  would  be unhappy if this
methodology were to change for reasons of security, bandwidth and call
costs when retrieving extra images.

It is very easy to simply double-click the icon for the HTML to launch
the  system  default  browser  for  full  HTML view - even easier than
Thomas indicates ... there is no need to change any settings.

Personally, I delete HTML attachments and keep the plain text.

B That's it. I really DO like this tool. I LOVE the strong filtering
B (it is at least as good as the Eudora filtering). The whole
B template thing is VERY cool. Eudora can't even spell "template". :)

You are certainly on the right track here. Once you marry Address Book
templates  with  Quick  Templates and the %QINCLUDE macro you suddenly
enter a whole new realm of flexibility.

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Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Marcel

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to The Bat!, so I could be asking something really silly.
I'm working on my address book. I've been using Netscape 4.7 and all
the addresses are located in NS.

I've been trying to import these into The Bat!, but for some reason
that doesn't seem to work.
So I decided to fill the address book by hand (right :( ).
Now my next problem arises. There are people with more than one
e-mail
address, and I can't figure out how to enter multiple address for one
person.

I've been trying separating them with semi-columns, each address on a
separate line, but whenever I create a new message for that person I
can't choose between the addresses.

Does anyone has the answer for me?
Even importing the ns-addressbook might solve the problem, because
that would save me a lot of time typing.

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Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Marcel

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to The Bat!, so I could be asking something really silly.
I'm working on my address book. I've been using Netscape 4.7 and all
the addresses are located in NS.

I've been trying to import these into The Bat!, but for some reason
that doesn't seem to work.
So I decided to fill the address book by hand (right :( ).
Now my next problem arises. There are people with more than one
e-mail
address, and I can't figure out how to enter multiple address for one
person.

I've been trying separating them with semi-columns, each address on a
separate line, but whenever I create a new message for that person I
can't choose between the addresses.

Does anyone has the answer for me?
Even importing the ns-addressbook might solve the problem, because
that would save me a lot of time typing.

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Re: UnInstall

2000-09-10 Thread Mark Aston

Hi Curt,

Saturday, September 09, 2000, 9:27:50 PM, you wrote:

C Horrors. I recommended TheBat! to an associate for whom the program
C was simply too overwhelming. So, she uninstalled it. It appears,
C however, that the uninstall does not return file associates to their
C previous state. For example, .msg attachments cry out for TheBat!

C Any direct way out of this? I concluded that the simplest thing for
C her to do was reinstall Outlook Express; that should, perhaps, reset
C all of the associations.


Open Windows Explorer, find a *.msg file, Shift then Right Click,
select Open With, when the dialogue appears select C:\Program
Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe, also tick the box which says "Always
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Re: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Mark Aston

Hi Marcel,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 10:10:03 AM, you wrote:

M I'm new to The Bat!, so I could be asking something really silly.
M I'm working on my address book. I've been using Netscape 4.7 and all
M the addresses are located in NS.

M I've been trying to import these into The Bat!, but for some reason
M that doesn't seem to work.

You should not need to do this by hand, export your address book from
Netscape as an *.ldif file, The Bat! will import this without any
editing required, you don't even have to select fields.

Address Book, File|Import From|LDIF File

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Re: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Marcel,

On 10 September 2000 at 11:10:03 GMT +0200 (which was 10:10 where I
live) Marcel wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Addressbook":

M Now my next problem arises. There are people with more than one
M e-mail address, and I can't figure out how to enter multiple
M address for one person.

This  is probably a mercy in disguise. Although you can enter multiple
email  addresses  in  the address field using a separate line for each
but I don't think this would achieve the result you may have expected.

M I've been trying separating them with semi-columns, each address on
M a separate line, but whenever I create a new message for that
M person I can't choose between the addresses.

No,  and nor would you. TB only uses multiple addresses in the address
book  by  addressing  a  message  to  *all*  addresses  listed, either
directly  of in BCC. It is more appropriate in the TB universe to have
a  separate  AB  entry  for each address, i.e. Jeff (at home) ... etc,
Jeff (at work) ... etc.

When  addressing  a  message  type "Jeff" then use Ctrl-Plus to toggle
your way through matching address book entries to retrieve the one you
want in real time.

HTH

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Ming-Li

On Saturday, September 09, 2000, 10:16:22 PM, David wrote:

 Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the
 way of a raging tide :-).  It would be nice if it was switchable
 but until they realize that email does/will contain html and
 graphic pointers ...

I don't see anyone standing in the way of any tide. :-) As far as
html mail is concerned, there are three different issues.

First is about viewing html mail, which TB has implemented. So this
should be no issue.

Oh, you may think TB hasn't "fully" implemented html mail viewing,
judging by the fact that many graphics in html mail are not
displayed. It's a matter of security and privacy concerns (have you
read news reports about how spammer could use linked graphics to
trace your online activities?). It's a developer's choice, and a
fine choice it is, IMHO! (Graphics embedded in the mail are
displayed just fine, as you should have known.)

You may argue that TB should give users a choice to take the chance
and go fetch linked graphics anyway. The counter arguments would be
equally strong, however, if not stronger. For starters, enabling
that choice could be a support nightmare for RIT, which has very
limited human resources. Judging from the number of brave souls who
continue to use Outlook despite all those security concerns, the
potential of such nightmare is indeed very high. Second, as others
have pointed out, launching your favorite browser to view the
message is just one click away.

HTML is an ever-evolving thing. Given the myriad of standards and
proprietary-yet-popular extensions out there with which even
dedicated (and much larger) browser developers (Opera software and
such) have problems keeping up, TB's html viewing implementation has
to stop somewhere. For me (and many Bat users, I believe), TB's
current implementation is good enough.

Lastly, there is the issue of html mail editing/sending. Should TB
try to be a html editor? I don't think so. Again, this is a matter
of resource management. It's no small feat trying to incorporate a
html editor. Given the fact that there are many such programs out
there, I see no reason for RIT trying to be another also-run. With
the newest MAPI support in beta, you can easily send html mail from
your browser or MAPI-enabled editor, and that should be enough.

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Ming-Li

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 1:24:55 AM, Marck wrote:

B 1)  Is  there no NewMail indicator? I see the animated icon and
B the Ticker  - but they are triggered by Unread mail, not NEW
B mail.

 The  ticker, when in use, has the option "Age limits". This allows
 you to configure it to only show *new* unread mesages.

Plus, if you filter mail from mailing lists into different folders,
you may set via folder properties that unread messages in such
folders are not shown in the ticker.

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Re: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Ming-Li

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 3:48:44 AM, Marck wrote:

 No,  and nor would you. TB only uses multiple addresses in the
 address book  by  addressing  a  message  to  *all*  addresses
 listed, either directly  of in BCC. It is more appropriate in the
 TB universe to have a  separate  AB  entry  for each address, i.e.
 Jeff (at home) ... etc, Jeff (at work) ... etc.

This is a major pain. While it works, it clutters the address book.
More importantly, it makes management more difficult, for
information about a person (physical addres, phone no., etc.) isn't
put in one place, and you'll have to maintain several set of
templates for one person. :-(

I know, it's not your fault and you're just trying to help. Just
can't help not to whine a little.

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Re[2]: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Curt

On  Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:16:22 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

David Hello BillG,

David TB does not do html email because they believe that email shouldn't be
David able to do html. Of course they are rumored to do newsreader coming
David and have many do render html (except for the graphics) but pooh pooh
David on what is becoming standard.

I don't see any developer philosophy that "email shouldn't be able to
do html." TheBat! renders html just fine. What it doesn't do is
perform gets for embedded links within the html. For that reason I use
TheBat! as my only email client.

David Just take it in and realize that some people like to stand in the way
David of a raging tide :-).  It would be nice if it was switchable but until
David they realize that email does/will contain html and graphic pointers
David ...

Raging tide? I've missed that. Those who are really concerned about
security and privacy issues have turned to TheBat! for a level of
protection from insidious email content. If you want/need this
exposure, Microsoft and its Outlook family will be more than happy to
help satisfy you. Outlook and other fully capable html-renderers will
be happy to execute embedded code, honor Web bugs, and other wonderful
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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:45:26 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

ML Oh, you may think TB hasn't "fully" implemented html mail viewing,
ML judging by the fact that many graphics in html mail are not
ML displayed. It's a matter of security and privacy concerns (have you
ML read news reports about how spammer could use linked graphics to
ML trace your online activities?). It's a developer's choice, and a
ML fine choice it is, IMHO! (Graphics embedded in the mail are
ML displayed just fine, as you should have known.)

I have quite a few HTML messages here that were sent with the graphics
included. They displayed beautifully.

ML You may argue that TB should give users a choice to take the chance
ML and go fetch linked graphics anyway. The counter arguments would be
ML equally strong, however, if not stronger. For starters, enabling
ML that choice could be a support nightmare for RIT, which has very
ML limited human resources. Judging from the number of brave souls who
ML continue to use Outlook despite all those security concerns, the
ML potential of such nightmare is indeed very high. Second, as others
ML have pointed out, launching your favorite browser to view the
ML message is just one click away.

Indeed. Well said. :-)

ML HTML is an ever-evolving thing. Given the myriad of standards and
ML proprietary-yet-popular extensions out there with which even
ML dedicated (and much larger) browser developers (Opera software and
ML such) have problems keeping up, TB's html viewing implementation has
ML to stop somewhere. For me (and many Bat users, I believe), TB's
ML current implementation is good enough.

This is a very valid point. Netscape Mail and OE will fetch images via
links in HTML messages via their browser partners rendering engines.
Eudora, AFAIK, uses the rendering engine of IE (correct me if I'm wrong
here). The problem with using IE as a rendering engine is that the user
needs to have IE installed.

ML Lastly, there is the issue of html mail editing/sending. Should TB
ML try to be a html editor? I don't think so. Again, this is a matter
ML of resource management. It's no small feat trying to incorporate a
ML html editor. Given the fact that there are many such programs out
ML there, I see no reason for RIT trying to be another also-run. With
ML the newest MAPI support in beta, you can easily send html mail from
ML your browser or MAPI-enabled editor, and that should be enough.

The users accustomed to a monolithic approach may frown at this point
though it's a very good one. By monolithic, I mean that the application,
an e-mail client in this instance, is self contained and able to do most
if not all things e-mail related. This is in contrast to the modular
approach where specialised independent apps are used in conjunction with
the e-mail client to produce a similar effect, though usually a more
robust and user definable one.

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Ming-Li

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 5:27:20 AM, A. wrote:

 This is a very valid point. Netscape Mail and OE will fetch images
 via links in HTML messages via their browser partners rendering
 engines. Eudora, AFAIK, uses the rendering engine of IE (correct
 me if I'm wrong here). The problem with using IE as a rendering
 engine is that the user needs to have IE installed.

Not only that, by doing so they also inherit IE's susceptibility to
bugs and viruses.

 The users accustomed to a monolithic approach may frown at this
 point though it's a very good one. By monolithic, I mean that the
 application, an e-mail client in this instance, is self contained
 and able to do most if not all things e-mail related. This is in
 contrast to the modular approach where specialised independent
 apps are used in conjunction with the e-mail client to produce a
 similar effect, though usually a more robust and user definable
 one.

I'm not really against the monolithic approach as you defined. It's
fine with me should RIT decide to incorporate a html/richtext editor
in TB, though I have very little use of it. Given the long list of
improvement expected for v2 and the extremely limited resources,
however, I sincerely think it's not wise for RIT to do so.

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Re: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Nick Andriash

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On September 10, 2000, at 5:17:17 AM, Ming-Li Wrote:

 This is a major pain. While it works, it clutters the address book.
 More importantly, it makes management more difficult, for
 information about a person (physical addres, phone no., etc.) isn't
 put in one place, and you'll have to maintain several set of
 templates for one person. :-(

I also agree that having to create separate AB entries for individuals
with more than one E-Mail address is a nuisance. It would be nice if
RITLabs could emulate Eudora's method of handling the same issue. With
Eudora, you address the message to the individual, and then simply right
click the address in the To: field, where you are presented with a list of
addresses associated with that one entry.


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Re[2]: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Ming-Li,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 4:45:26 AM, you wrote:

snip

WOW .. talk about bandwidth g

Actually IF there is a worry about security etc it would be very
simple to have a switch (option, user preference etc) for retrieve or
don't retrieve.  No be huha.

Developers choice .. it is also a developers choice to use the
registry to store info, it is also a developers choice to hard code
the attachment location (full path including drive) in the mail.
These are all developers choices and fine ones they are.

As I mentioned it would be very easy to make this optional .. YES?


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Re[3]: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Curt,

snip

I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen G.  I
always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.


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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Ming-Li

On Sunday, September 10, 2000, 9:26:48 AM, David wrote:

 WOW .. talk about bandwidth g

I don't think I mentioned anything about bandwidth, did I?

 Actually IF there is a worry about security etc it would be very
 simple to have a switch (option, user preference etc) for retrieve
 or don't retrieve.  No be huha.

I think I answered that in my last message (in the paragraph about
support nightmare), and I hate to repeat myself.

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread A . Curtis Martin

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:29:53 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
DTS you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

Yes, we all know about choice. The problem, however, is that for you to
get the choice, the two or more choices have to be made available and
therefore implemented. If the developers chose to implement one way
because they lack the resources to implement both or have simply made a
development path decision, then I'm glad they have chosen the secure
implementation.

DTS But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen G.  I
DTS always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.

Yes, many on this list are passionate in their views surrounding this
particular issue. :-)

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread BillG

I wrote:

 1) Is there no NewMail indicator?

The ticker "age limits" are a not-so-great attempt to accomplish
what I need.  Most readers will display something like a small
envelope in the system tray when new mail has shown up at the
pop server.  That indicator disappears as soon as the reader is opened
That is a very rudimentary function that TheBat doesn't have.  I guess
I'll have to get over it.

 2) Why can't I rearrange the order of my folders?

Hold Shift while moving.  Got it.

 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

Again, I consider a "view-source" function a rudimentary feature that
TB is missing.  Exporting and viewing externally works, but the
feature really should be built in.  I'll get over this too.

 4) the built-in html viewer doesn't seem to work very well?
 I get weather reports and comics and such from infobeat.com.
 They come in HTML form.  TheBat can't seem to render the files.
 Why?  Netscape mail, Eudora, OE, all render those messages just fine.

Lot's of discussion on this!  :-)   I understand both sides of this
controversy.  I think the best solution is to give users the choice
of retrieving if they choose.  Eudora actually does this.  It has
an option of using Microsoft's viewer.  That does introduce huge
security problems, but the option is there.  For now, I can easily
open the html attachment in my browser.  No big deal.

 5) Is the toolbar configurable?  I can't see how to do it.

This is the least of my concerns, but it would be nice.  Version 2
might include it?  Hope so.  When is version 2 gonna be out?


Also, I would LOVE to have a Timed Queuing system, like Eudora.
Eudora allows you to specify a time and date to automatically send
out each queued message.  That is an AWESOME feature.  While Eudora
does have some nice features, there are too many things about it
that I don't like.

Hey! Everybody!  Thanks for all the help!  This a cool mailing list!

Bill (soon to ex-)newbie

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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi BillG,

On 10 September 2000 at 13:30:50 GMT -0400 (which was 18:30 where I
live) BillG wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Newbie  questions":

 3) I can't find a "view source" function.

B Again, I consider a "view-source" function a rudimentary feature
B that TB is missing. Exporting and viewing externally works, but the
B feature really should be built in. I'll get over this too.

Did  you  try Ctrl-Shift-K (view RFCheaders) as suggested? In what way
does  that  not  match  "View  Source"  functionality  (apart from not
showing attachment's in the raw)?

 5) Is the toolbar configurable? I can't see how to do it.

B This is the least of my concerns, but it would be nice. Version 2
B might include it? Hope so.

It  is  slated  to  do  so in the interview which is published on Leif
Gregory's www.pcwize.com web site.

B When is version 2 gonna be out?

Aha! The $64m question!

B Also, I would LOVE to have a Timed Queuing system, like Eudora.
B Eudora allows you to specify a time and date to automatically send
B out each queued message. That is an AWESOME feature.

I agree.

B Hey! Everybody! Thanks for all the help! This a cool mailing list!

Hey - thanks!

B Bill (soon to ex-)newbie

g

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2 Q from a Bat-newbie

2000-09-10 Thread Oliver Gassner

HI,

2 questions without answers in the FAQ: (or I wuz too silly to
find them :) )

a)
How do I convince my 'Bat_' to mirror _all_ messages in the IMAP
folders in the IMAP server? (and to keep them up2date?)

b)
How do I switch off the [2] etc. numbering with replies?

Greetings from Germany

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Security first, please

2000-09-10 Thread ztrader

I like the Bat because it does NOT tie everything together as does M$.
This adds a degree of security that is important to me. I am less
vulnerable to the hoards of hackers who want to make yet another virus
so they can boast to their friends how good they are.

I don't really need to see my email in 16,000 ever-changing colors -
plain ASCII text is just fine for delivering the message. In many
years of reading email, I can't think of ONE instance where the fancy
formatting has added to the 'information content'. People who want to
have all this should use M$, not the Bat. Easy choice for me.

Security first...

ztrader

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Re: Security first, please

2000-09-10 Thread Stefano Zamprogno

Ciao ztrader,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 7:26:00 PM, you wrote:

Agree to ALL, for beautiful images, there are attachments ! :-)

z I like the Bat because it does NOT tie everything together as does M$.
z This adds a degree of security that is important to me. I am less
z vulnerable to the hoards of hackers who want to make yet another virus
z so they can boast to their friends how good they are.

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Re[2]: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Marcel

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Hi Mark,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 11:53:22 AM, you wrote:

MA You should not need to do this by hand, export your address book
from
MA Netscape as an *.ldif file, The Bat! will import this without any
MA editing required, you don't even have to select fields.
MA Address Book, File|Import From|LDIF File

Thanx that did the trick.
Totally forgot to look at the export options of NS.

Thanx for the tip.

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Re[2]: Addressbook

2000-09-10 Thread Marcel

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Hi Marck,

Sunday, September 10, 2000, 12:48:44 PM, you wrote:

M I've been trying separating them with semi-columns, each address
on
M a separate line, but whenever I create a new message for that
M person I can't choose between the addresses.
MDP No,  and nor would you. TB only uses multiple addresses in the
address
MDP book  by  addressing  a  message  to  *all*  addresses  listed,
either
MDP directly  of in BCC. It is more appropriate in the TB universe
to have
MDP a  separate  AB  entry  for each address, i.e. Jeff (at home)
... etc,
MDP Jeff (at work) ... etc.
I was afraid I had to do that again :(
I already used multiple entries for multiple addresses, but I had
hoped to shorten the list now.

Thanx for your reply.


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Language support/dictionary

2000-09-10 Thread David

Hello TBUDL,

Can anyone tell me how I can change my dictionary from US English to
Australian English?  I've the FAQ and "How DoI", but I can't find how to
do this.

Any help and assistance will be greatly appreciated.

  

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Re: NetscapeTB!folderdefault template

2000-09-10 Thread Jack LaRosa

Hi Januk

On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, 15:42:12 your local time (GMT -0700), you wrote to the list:

JA Hello Paula,


JA On  Saturday, September 09, 2000  at  17:07:07 GMT -0400 (which was 2:07 PM
JA where I live) witnesses say Paula Ford typed:


 The mailto thing has never bothered me, but then I don't click on mailto
 links much. On the rare occasions that I do, if the wrong template pops
 up, I simply cancel and pick a folder whose template I want the message
 to use.

JA  You know, this hasn't been a problem for me.  What I did was put all
JA  folders that have folder templates into a dummy account.  My main
JA  account has "This account is default for Mailto: URLs" selected.
JA  This way I never have the problem referenced here.

Can you explain what your last paragraph means? I'm not getting the
concept.

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Re: Language support/dictionary

2000-09-10 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello David,

On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  10:19:04 GMT +1000 (which was 5:19 PM
where I live) witnesses say David typed:


 Can anyone tell me how I can change my dictionary from US English to
 Australian English?

 Have you downloaded and installed the International Pack?  You can
 get it from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html.  You may
 need to install the British Dictionary.  I can't remember if there is
 an Australian dictionary.

 Once you've installed that with the appropriate options, open a
 message editor (reply to a message or create a new message), and
 select "Spell Checker - Language"  You'll see a drop down list of all
 the dictionaries you have installed.  Select the one you want.  This
 setting should be remembered each time you open the message editor.
  

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Re: NetscapeTB!folderdefault template

2000-09-10 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Jack,


On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  14:40:38 GMT -0500 (which was 12:40 PM
where I live) witnesses say Jack LaRosa typed:

 Hi Januk

 On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, 15:42:12 your local time (GMT -0700), you wrote to the list:


JA  You know, this hasn't been a problem for me.  What I did was put all
JA  folders that have folder templates into a dummy account.  My main
JA  account has "This account is default for Mailto: URLs" selected.
JA  This way I never have the problem referenced here.

 Can you explain what your last paragraph means? I'm not getting the
 concept.

 Ok, let's go through this from the beginning.
 1. Create your main account, call it "Joe".

 - Give this account the appropriate settings so that you check and
   send mail through this account.  Under the Properties tab,
   select "This account is default for Mailto: URLs". To make
   things easier, create two Quick Templates.  One should be your
   default New message template, and the other should be your
   default Reply template. You can create a Forward Template if
   you want.  Make sure these templates are shared for all
   accounts.
   Now under Account - Properties, make the New Message Template
   contain the line: %QInclude="New"
   Under Reply: %QInclude="Reply"

 2. Create your Dummy account, call it "JoeD"

 - In this account, specify only your identity.  Don't give it any
   SMTP or POP settings.  Also make sure that you have "Ignore
   Check All command" selected.
   Now in your default new template, use:
   %QInclude="New" %Account="Joe"
   In your default reply Template:
   %QInclude="Reply" %Account="Joe"
   
 3. The filters for account "Joe" can move messages anywhere,
including into the folders of Account "JoeD"

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Was: Language support/dictionary - now date / time?

2000-09-10 Thread John Phillips

Hello

Monday, September 11, 2000, 9:31:34 AM, you wrote:

JA Hello David,

JA On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  10:19:04 GMT +1000 (which was 5:19 PM
JA where I live) witnesses say David typed:


...neatly snipped to please the Moderators...g


How do you get the local time "where you live" to display in replies?
What macro is this?  How about local date?  (for those of us on the
left hand side of the International Date Line?)

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My mail reader can beat up your mail reader.

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Re[2]: Language support/dictionary

2000-09-10 Thread David

Hello Januk,

Monday, September 11, 2000, 9:31:34 AM, you wrote:

JA Hello David,

JA On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  10:19:04 GMT +1000 (which was 5:19 PM
JA where I live) witnesses say David typed:


 Can anyone tell me how I can change my dictionary from US English to
 Australian English?

JA  Have you downloaded and installed the International Pack?  You can
JA  get it from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html.  You may
JA  need to install the British Dictionary.  I can't remember if there is
JA  an Australian dictionary.

JA  Once you've installed that with the appropriate options, open a
JA  message editor (reply to a message or create a new message), and
JA  select "Spell Checker - Language"  You'll see a drop down list of all
JA  the dictionaries you have installed.  Select the one you want.  This
JA  setting should be remembered each time you open the message editor.
  


Thanks!!!  That really worked well.  There is An Australian English
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Time Macro (Was: Re: Was: Language support/dictionary - now date / time?)

2000-09-10 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello John,


On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  11:07:23 GMT +1000 (which was 6:07 PM
where I live) witnesses say John Phillips typed:


 How do you get the local time "where you live" to display in replies?
 What macro is this?

 This uses a regular expression.  The one I have is based on one
 developed by Marck D. Pearlstone.  Include the following into your
 reply template:

%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
On  %ODATE  at  %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4" (which was %OTIME
where I live) witnesses say %OFROMNAME typed:

 How about local date?

 The info comes from the Headers.  So if the local date is in the
 headers, I'm sure you could probably extract it in your templates.
 Unfortunately, I am only familiar with the *very* basics of regexp.
 For this, you'd need someone better versed.



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Re: Time Macro (Was: Re: Was: Language support/dictionary - now date / time?)

2000-09-10 Thread tracer

Hello Januk Aggarwal,
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:20:22 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, September 11, 2000, 7:20:22 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Januk Aggarwal wrote:


 Hello John,


 On  Sunday, September 10, 2000  at  11:07:23 GMT +1000 (which was 6:07 PM
 where I live) witnesses say John Phillips typed:


 How do you get the local time "where you live" to display in replies?
 What macro is this?

  This uses a regular expression.  The one I have is based on one
  developed by Marck D. Pearlstone.  Include the following into your
  reply template:

 
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"
 On  %ODATE  at  %SUBPATT="3" GMT%SUBPATT="4" (which was %OTIME
 where I live) witnesses say %OFROMNAME typed:

 How about local date?

  The info comes from the Headers.  So if the local date is in the
  headers, I'm sure you could probably extract it in your templates.
  Unfortunately, I am only familiar with the *very* basics of regexp.
  For this, you'd need someone better versed.

Hello %OFROMNAME,
On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"
 GMT your local time,
which was %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn (GMT+0700) my local time,
%OFROMNAME wrote:

%Cursor
%QUOTES="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- 
--|--\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

And another one.. Note that GMT+0700 is hardwired into it in my case.
Not sure how many people on the list had a hand in creating this one,
quite a few if I remember

By the way it also includes the expression to remove the pgp banners added to
some msgs...





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tracer


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Re: Newbie questions

2000-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi David,

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:29:53 -0700GMT (11/09/2000, 00:29 +0800GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me.  Have
DTS you ever heard of choice?  Preference of 'do you want to get or not'.

They have been charged with spending their time on the development of
the program itself, HTML being an issue when they have nothing else to
do. But you figured that. ;-)

DTS But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen G.  I
DTS always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject.

Yep, since the big mailers all do the HTML thing, we seem to get up to
protect our little world. You did touch a sensitive point, as you have
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Re: 2 Q from a Bat-newbie

2000-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi Oliver,

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:35:18 +0200GMT (11/09/2000, 03:35 +0800GMT),
Oliver Gassner wrote:

OG a)
OG How do I convince my 'Bat_' to mirror _all_ messages in the IMAP
OG folders in the IMAP server? (and to keep them up2date?)

Don't know anything about IMAP, sorry.

OG b)
OG How do I switch off the [2] etc. numbering with replies?

Add the macro %Singlere to your reply template.

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