Re: Color Groups

[Thomas F]

Hi Marck,

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:04:20 +GMT (15/01/2002, 08:04 +0800GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

>> 1.  Is there a way to select a color group for a message that is in
>> the edit (composition) window?

MDP> No it isn't. That's because colour group membership is a function of
MDP> the message list. Messages in the editor are not in any lists.

But the colour group is assigned to a message, not to a list. I think
it would be a good additional option to be able to change the colour
group while composing a message.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Alastair Scott]

On 14 January 2002 at 23:09 Melissa wrote:

> Personally, I think Slaven is great. I know he's dedicated to making
> Pocomail better, and no doubt it will improve. His tireless
> programming efforts and dedication to customer support (and openness
> to and implementation of suggestions) are much appreciated by Pocomail
> users and beta testers. However - it is, in my opinion, still *far*
> from being ready for prime time.

That Poco is maintained by one person is a big problem. What happens
if something happens to him? (And things do happen - I've been stung
several times by packages which suddenly stopped being developed for
one reason or another - www.akmail.com is an example very close to
home :)

That, for me, would be reason enough not to bother with it ...

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Re: ICQ contact list

[Konstantin Volenbovsky]

Hi,all and especially Sergey!

When it was  Tue, 15 Jan 2002, and your watches showed 
 02:47:03 [GMT +0500]and
time in Kiev, Ukraine was  11:47:03 pm[GMT +02.00]
--- you wrote:
SV>  Is there a program to convert ICQ contact list information to TB!
SV> Address Book? Required fields: name/nick/email/home phone/work phone.
Yes, but it seems to me that contacts must be saved/imported by one
one. Anyway, open contact, save as VCard, open with TB and "Add to
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Re[2]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Don Zeigler]

On 1/14/2002 at 1:32 PM, Ray Vermey wrote:

> 3) Multiple accounts are much easier under the Bat, in Poco you
> haveto log in and out of the different accounts

But each account suports multiple servers and identities.

> 9) Filtering is also very easy

Pocomail's filters don't compare to TB. Poco's script is what Slaven
wants users to utilize. With a mastery of Pocoscript, you could do
much more than filter your messages.  

> 10) Moveing folders up and down is not easy, that is i dont know
> yethow to do that.

I don't think you can. When you add a new folder, it's out of order in
the list, but hitting REFRESH takes care of that. But I don't think
you can place folders where you wish; they will alway be alphabetized.  

> The Bat in my eyes is developping towards a more and more
> hightechmailer (I am an Unix "guru" for 12 years now so i know what
> i amtalking about) I like also pretty mails and some cute decoration
> inmy day to day mail-life!

Tell me Slaven isn't aiming for something other than the average user
with Pocoscript. 98% of the people who use email probably have no
interest in a scripting language, they just want to download and read
their mail. Pocomail is intended for the "power" (or geek!) user just
as much as The Bat! is.

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Re: wrapping

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Luc,

On Monday, January 14 2002 at 06:48 PM PDT, you wrote:

>  Wrap is set at 70
>   autoformat: disabled

enable autoformat

>   justify: disabled
>   autowrap: enabled
> 
>   I have tried several settings but i just don't seem to get it right.
>   I'm also using PGP so i have to take that in account too to make
>   sure the signature doesn't get broken.

You can turn PGP's wrapping off altogether because with TB's Editor
there is no behind the scenes editing... it's WYSIWYG. :o)


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Re[2]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Don Zeigler]

On 1/14/2002 at 3:09 PM, Melissa Reese wrote:

> In spite of what I see as some very serious shortcomings, I do in fact
> really like Pocomail.  Certainly - if Slaven were to get together with
> the programmers of TB!, there could be some *very interesting*
> developments!  :-)

Pocobat?

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ICQ contact list

[Sergey Vlasov]

 Is there a program to convert ICQ contact list information to TB!
Address Book? Required fields: name/nick/email/home phone/work phone.

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Nick,

Monday, January 14, 2002, 4:14:37 PM, you wrote:

NA> It just seems like such a simple request to want to send out one
NA> message to 50 People whose addresses are in the Bcc field, then
NA> have simply the List Name in the To field... but it must be a
NA> limitation of the SMTP Server that you must have at least one
NA> valid address listed under To:.

   You could set up an address book entry with:
   (Group Name) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   and use it in the "To" field I think.

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Re: add/modify Header fields

[Scott Frederick]

Hello Gerard,

Sunday, January 13, 2002, 2:55:19 AM, you wrote:

GdV> I can understand the benefit of being able to add your own
GdV> specific header field(s), specially when you run a list server of
GdV> your email program, but also info that could be used by the
GdV> recipient to filter on. This list could have a header like:
GdV> "X-List: The BAT", and we could all filter on it :-0

If I am right you are asking for the ability to add "Extension
fields" or "User-defined-fields". If the Bat allowed the
"Keywords" field then that could be filtered on also.

I think that something like that would be useful too.

GdV>   Funny thing is I was a Agent user before I switched to TB but never
GdV>   found the header altering functions.

AFAIK you can alter the value of pretty much any header field, but
at:
http://www.skuz.net/madhat/agent/agent.modified.html
there is info on adding or altering the fields themselves. I
haven't tried this myself.

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Re: wrapping

[Carren Stuart]

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On Tuesday, 15 January 2002 at 3:48 p.m. Luc wrote: 

L> Hi list,

L> Could anybody check my wrapping ? It seems to me that something's
L> rotten in the state of wrapping. My lines appear to be broken
L> whereby one word comes on a line and the rest of the sentence at
L> the following line. Wrap is set at 70 autoformat: disabled justify:
L> disabled autowrap: enabled

L> I have tried several settings but i just don't seem to get it
L> right. I'm also using PGP so i have to take that in account too to
L> make sure the signature doesn't get broken.

Luc,

Looks OK to me - at least in this post. I have my TB! wrap set to 70
also and PGP set to 72. That seems to work for me. What do you have
PGP set to?

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wrapping

[Luc]

Hi list,

  Could anybody check my wrapping ? It seems to me that something's
  rotten in the state of wrapping. My lines appear to be broken
  whereby one word comes on a line and the rest of the sentence at the
  following line.
  Wrap is set at 70
  autoformat: disabled
  justify: disabled
  autowrap: enabled

  I have tried several settings but i just don't seem to get it right.
  I'm also using PGP so i have to take that in account too to make
  sure the signature doesn't get broken.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ray.

At 4:32 PM on Monday, January 14, 2002 you wrote the
following about [[OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML
based emails]

Ray> [...] Well i will playing around for some time
Ray> with Pocomail and see howthings develop. But going
Ray> back to the Bat is like stepping in an old(but
Ray> good driving) car ;-] [...]

  I'd take a Porsche over a Mercedes any day.

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Re[2]: Extended ASCII Characters

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hi Dierk,

> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
> Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
> do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?

AltGr+e = € with Spanish keyboard.

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Re: Color Groups

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Joseph,

On 14 January 2002 at 15:14:59 -0600 (which was 21:14 where I live)
Joseph N. wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

> 1.  Is there a way to select a color group for a message that is in
> the edit (composition) window?  In other words, instead of sending
> the message and then finding it in the sent message folder, or even
> another folder if it's been filtered, and then assigning a color
> group, is it possible to do it at the time it is being written,
> before it is sent?

No it isn't. That's because colour group membership is a function of
the message list. Messages in the editor are not in any lists. It is
better to use an outgoing filter to assign the colour group on
filtering.

> 2.  It seems to me that a color group column in a folder view only
> shows the group to which the message has been assigned.  It does not
> operate as a multi-pick column, i.e, one cannot get a pull-down menu
> from the column and select an appropriate group.  Is my
> understanding about this correct?

Not really. If you have the message list visible in the folder (View |
Message List), you can right click on the message in the list and
choose a colour group very easily. As I say, colour group membership
is a function of the Message list.

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Marck D Pearlstone,

On Monday, January 14 2002 at 11:03 AM PDT, you wrote:

> It's not 50 personalised messages, for which I would always let TB's
> excellent mass mailing facilities take control.

I presume you are talking about Leif's write-up on Mass Mailings? I will
have to take a look at that and see if that is what I'm after. It just
seems like such a simple request to want to send out one message to 50
People whose addresses are in the Bcc field, then have simply the List
Name in the To field... but it must be a limitation of the SMTP Server
that you must have at least one valid address listed under To:.

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Re: : HTML based emails

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Ray,

On 14 January 2002 at 23:19:43 +0100 (which was 22:19 where I live)
Ray Vermey wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

> /SNIP/




Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.


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Re: HTML based emails

[GeekMaster]

At 1:17:44 am on 1/14/2002, you wrote:

> This is a very good point: You *know* that the external contents is
> safe, but it is not sent with the message for a noble reason: saving
> bandwidth. Would someone who is against implementing the *option* Mark
> suggests, kindly comment on this. I think this one is the killer
> argument. ;-)

What's this? Nobody's against it?  Nah, can't be!  :)

> LOL! My area. I built radios from scratch, got my share of burned
> fingers on the tubes, but lost interest when transistors were
> invented and stopped looking into hardware when they invented the IC.

And I got my "intro to electronics" by way of TV service. I got in just
as carrying the tube caddy became a thing of the past, and did
home/bench service for about 6 years. Certainly, things have come a
long, long way. In fact, with the exception of higher end products, the
stuffs become virtually disposable. :(

> Now: AM and FM are completely different "protocols" (which would be
> the up-to-date term, I believe). Stereo radio needs the "FM protocol",
> but AM has other advantages (range, for example. Or simplicity in
> sending/receiving). Neither AM/FM nor Mono/Stereo have anything to do
> with security (unless you count that since AM receivers are easier to
> build, it is also easier to eavesdrop). And speaking of bandwidth, FM
> can use even smaller bandwidths (IIRC) while maintaining higher sound
> qualities.

It really was a crummy example. :)  But, I think you got what I was
*trying* to say.

> I agree with you, and there are editors out there that support rich
> text. With rich text (as opposed to HTML) you can do all of the above,
> but not additional HTML stuff like embedding pictures etc; I also
> especially hate these colours, and I get business emails with flashing
> activated in "important" parts of the email! :-(

For the most part, I agree. The only thing worse are the X10 pop-under
ads! :)

> You can subscribe by clicking on this link:

> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks very much.  I don't know if I'm ready for another 100+ message
list per day though. :)  Maybe I'll grab the digest version of this one,
that one, or both.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[GeekMaster]

At 6:09:11 pm on 1/14/2002, you wrote:



> In spite of what I see as some very serious shortcomings, I do in fact
> really like Pocomail.  Certainly - if Slaven were to get together with
> the programmers of TB!, there could be some *very interesting*
> developments!  :-)

I think, for the most part, we all agree with that. I'll also agree (as
I have corresponded with Slaven as well regarding the issue) that the
editor, specifically with regard to wrapping and quoting, still needs
help. But, I'm confident it'll progress over time.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Melissa Reese]

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On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 1:32:18 PM PST, Ray Vermey wrote:

>>RR> On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:24:39 PM, GeekMaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>G>> PocoMail.  In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but
>>nobody works harder than PocoMail's
>>G>> author at accomodating user requests in the mail client. HTML is
>>nothing new, and despite the wishes of
>>G>> some, it's not going to go away.  When The Bat makes the leap
>>into the "new world", I will almost
>>G>> certainly use it again, as so much of everything else that it
>>does is virtually perfect.

Hello Ray,

Above is your "double level" quote of Rick (using TB! "verbatim"
quoting) quoting GeekMaster's *very long wrap setting* message
generated by "X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1022". While I might have
preferred it if GeekMaster had set a more "reasonable" wrap to begin
with, Rick's quoting of it (necessary to open into a full window view
to see it "properly") was, while also a bit of a pain, at least
"accurate".

However - by the time you got to it in Pocomail, and sent it along, we
get the funky wrapping we see above. Below is what I, with a couple
simple key strokes, was able to do with that same double level quote
in TB!'s editor:

> On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:24:39 PM, GeekMaster wrote:

G>> PocoMail. In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but
G>> nobody works harder than PocoMail's author at accomodating user
G>> requests in the mail client. HTML is nothing new, and despite the
G>> wishes of some, it's not going to go away. When The Bat makes the
G>> leap into the "new world", I will almost certainly use it again,
G>> as so much of everything else that it does is virtually perfect.

Granted - I didn't "preserve" it in the verbatim way Rick did, but I
wanted it to be wrapped to what *I* consider reasonable - to fit with
the rest of my message formatting. Being able to "clean up" and
re-format things like that, while they are things Slaven is working on
for Pocomail, are still not really "operational" on Poco. Poco's
current "clean up" and other formatting tools are still yielding some
pretty funky results (some *very* funky results as well - even more so
than the example above)..

The first mail client I went to after leaving OE (three months into my
first experience with email), I went to Pocomail.  It was my default
email client for almost a year.

While Slaven has many good (and some really great!) ideas, in the
areas of an email client that are *most important* to me, it falls
well short of The Bat! Especially it's message editor! (and a few
other very useful things TB! offers). I'm still a beta tester of
Pocomail, as I'm curious about what Slaven is up to, but that program
has a *long way* to go before it can be considered a very practical
client.

As for bugs... The last *relatively stable* Pocomail is still v2.11.
I'm currently playing with v2.5.1.999, and it's still quite buggy (as
have been all betas since v2.11). I corresponded with Slaven quite
extensively about the message editor (concerned with *plain text*
composition, as I'm not very interested in HTML), and while he's
working on some ideas (many of which I told him about from my *very
happy* experiences with The Bat!), the plain text formatting (and
obviously by the looks of your quoted text, the HTML as well) is still
a problem.

When I was writing my first reply to this thread yesterday, I opened
up my Pocomail to play with the editor a bit more.  It still has
*serious* problems in cleaning up and formatting/re-formatting text.

For a long time, while all Pocomail's unique bells and whistles are
being developed, it's message editor has been the sadly forgotten
child.  It remains in pretty poor working condition.  Much too poor
for me to even consider using it.

Personally, I think Slaven is great. I know he's dedicated to making
Pocomail better, and no doubt it will improve. His tireless
programming efforts and dedication to customer support (and openness
to and implementation of suggestions) are much appreciated by Pocomail
users and beta testers. However - it is, in my opinion, still *far*
from being ready for prime time.

In spite of what I see as some very serious shortcomings, I do in fact
really like Pocomail.  Certainly - if Slaven were to get together with
the programmers of TB!, there could be some *very interesting*
developments!  :-)

Melissa
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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Dierk,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:41:11 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 19:41 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DH> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?

Forget my previous message I do it with <5> (the <5> on the
alphanumerical part of the keyboard.) Read your message with my eyes
closed. :-(

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Dierk,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:41:11 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 19:41 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DH> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
DH> Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
DH> do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?

Works with a Dutch keyboard too and even on my Dutch Win98 thinking it
has an American keyboard.

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Re: Text phrase in filter string

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Joseph,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:49 -0600GMT (14-1-02, 21:50 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

>> Depends on it. If your string is "I want more", than you don't need
>> regexp, but you need regexp if you also want to filter on:
>> I want less work and more money

JN> Roeleof, what if I want much more, and less work, and more money? Can
JN> TB! help me achieve that?  ;-)

Sure, but then you need the "Funds acquiring" plug-in. ;-)

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Re: Text phrase in filter string

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gerard,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:26:10 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 21:26 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JN>>> Will the program search for any one of the words?  Or all three in any
JN>>> order?  Is this the point at which I should finally learn regex?

Roelof>> Depends on it. If your string is "I want more", than you don't need
Roelof>> regexp,

GdV>  Could you not just filter using "I & want & more" in text?

Sure, but Joseph said the sequence mattered. And that's something else
than the occurrence of the three words.
It's rather simple to create a filter that checks on the three words.
Just create three conditions:
String: I   Place: Text   Presence: Yes
String: wantPlace: Text   Presence: Yes
String: morePlace: Text   Presence: Yes

Een kind kan de was doen.
Oops, Sorry! I meant: A piece of cake. ;-)

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Kenneth S. Rhee]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:48:24 +0100, David van Zuijlekom wrote:
>I can say one thing about Pocomail: the wrapping sucks!
>
>Look at your reply you gave to Nick. It looks a lot like the most
>irritating wrapping like in OL/OE. ;-(

To each his/her own.
 
However, let's try to be objective here.
 
I own both the BAT and Pocomail, and I have to say there is no best product for me.  Each does something well and others not so well.
 
There is an option for word wrapping in Pocomail, and you don't have to keep it on if you don't like it.
 
 
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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Kenneth,

On 14 Jan 2002 at 13:46:28 -0500, Kenneth S. Rhee [KSR] wrote
concerning ': HTML based emails':
...
>>Being the curious type, I tried it but right from the start I
>>couldn't
>>even set up hierarchical folders so that pretty much did it for me.
>>If
>>there is a way I couldn't find it...
^
I can say one thing about Pocomail: the wrapping sucks!

Look at your reply you gave to Nick. It looks a lot like the most
irritating wrapping like in OL/OE. ;-(

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Nick,

14 Jan 2002, 6:49:35 pm, you wrote to TBUDL:

NA> Perhaps I have not understood your instructions but I cannot get
NA> TB to produce a message, addressed to 50 people on a Private
NA> Mailing List such that each recipient receives a message with
NA> their own address in the To: field.

  The method Marck descibes: putting the address list in the
  bcc-header, is the easyest way of sending the same message to
  several people without cluttering the To: header with all the names.

  But it IS possible to send identical mails to several people in a way
  the each recipient gets its own address in the To: field

  1. You make a Quick Template
  2. Tick the box Use for mass mailing
  3. Include the macro %Subject="your subject"
  4. You can use other macros to personalize the mail if you wish,
  5. Select entries from the address book - for instance a group or
  several indiviual recipients
  6. In the addressbook File menu select Mass mailing using template,
  and select the template you just have made.
  7. There will be created several individual mails, one for each
  selected addressbook entry with a specific To: header for that
  addressbook entry. You are given a choice of opening each
  message in the editor, placing them in the outbox ready for
  delivery, or saving them as drafts.

  This works on my Bat, Nick, why it do not work for you, I do not
  understand, or are we just talking about different things?

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Re[4]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

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On Tuesday, 15 January 2002 at 11:19 a.m. Ray wrote: 



RV> If the Bat was to be integrated with Poco... whohah THAT would
RV> be some car with some engine ;-)
 

RV> Vrommm ;-)


Ray,

*That* I can agree with! :-)
 

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Re[4]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Kenneth S. Rhee]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:19:43 +0100, Ray Vermey wrote:
>If the Bat was to be integrated with Poco... whohah THAT would
>be some car with some engine ;-)
>
>Vrommm ;-)

If you take the best part of the BAT (the latest beta) and best of 
PocoMail (the latest beta), and come up with the e-mail program, then 
you can charge more than the combined price of two, and I'll buy.

That would be a killer application.
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Re[3]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Ray Vermey]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:57:19 +1300, Carren Stuart wrote:

/SNIP/
 
Well Caren, email clients are just a matter of personal taste, we can agree on that one ;-)
I just like to see HTML and every now and then write html.
Sure the Bat is a great one and i use it for almost 3 years now as a registered user.
 
I find the bugs in the beta's yes, newest betas still eat all my systemresources.
 
But is very very good, but as more people say here (or on the beta list) : I would like the bat to enter the new world too ;-))
 
If the Bat was to be integrated with Poco... whohah THAT would be some car with some engine ;-)
 
Vrommm ;-)
 
Cheers
 
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Re: Wish: More e-mail directories

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Monday, January 14, 2002, 8:43:01 PM, you wrote:


Nils> If you open the search dialogue you can search for a specific word in
Nils> - one directory
Nils> - the active account
Nils> - in all accounts.

Don't fotget the check mark so you can also search
- one directory and all its sub folders.

Nils> I have also often needed to search in two or three folders. To do this
Nils> at the moment you can only select the active account or you have to
Nils> search several times.

That's correct. The only work around I can think of ( and use myself) is
group the folders you search through often under one folder as sub
folders, although I can under stand if this is not a nice multi-account
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Re[2]: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

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On Tuesday, 15 January 2002 at 10:32 a.m. Ray wrote: 

RV> Well i use Poco for one day now and here are some of my findings:


 


RV> I could go on for a while but till now i realy like the
RV> slickinterface of PocoMail a lot better than the Bat and also
RV> itsHTML-possibility.
 

RV> The Bat in my eyes is developping towards a more and more
RV> hightechmailer (I am an Unix "guru" for 12 years now so i know
RV> what i amtalking about) I like also pretty mails and some cute
RV> decoration inmy day to day mail-life!

RV> Indeed all the bugs that are still there in the Bat is getting
RV> mefinaly. Poco seems to be a lot more stable.
  

RV> Well i will playing around for some time with Pocomail and see
RV> howthings develop. But going back to the Bat is like stepping in
RV> an old(but good driving) car ;-]

 
Wow! :-)

At the risk of being scolded for continuing this somewhat OT thread, I
need to disagree entirely with you!

Prior to finding TB! I trialled Poco for some time and while I really
liked it - especially having come to it from Outlook 2000 - once I
also began to trial TB! I realised very quickly that TB! was (and is)
far superior.

If a pretty interface is important to you then yes, Poco has the
advantage, but if you are looking for an efficient, highly
customizable, powerful email client, TB! meets all those needs and
then some. We won't go down the HTML road again as it has been well
covered in other threads but for me, HTML is a non issue. I don't want
or need it and I certainly don't miss it. What I *do* need is the
ability to easily thread messages, set up filters and templates, use
an auto responder for my PGP key requests, format tidy and easily
readable emails, and have the ability to set up multiple accounts and
multiple users. TB! does all this and much more and for my needs, is
the best email client available.

As far as bugs are concerned I really don't know what you mean by
that. I have been using TB! for some time now and I have not
encountered *any* bugs in either of the versions I have used. Maybe if
you are referring to a beta version you are right, but if that is the
case then one would expect to find a few bugs!

Finally, your final comment about going back to TB! being like
stepping back into an old car(pleased to see you added
*good*)well...we will just have to agree to differ on that also!
I tend to judge my cars not on appearance and paintwork, but on
functionality and performance. TB! outperforms Poco and all the other
clients that I have looked at/used, hands down! :-)


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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Ray,
On 14 Jan 2002 at 22:32:18 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

> 5) I like the HTML-editor of Poco.

Yes, and you showed us how much you liked it by sending a HTML formatted
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Really useful! :-\

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Re[2]: Extended ASCII Characters

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Dierk,

14. januar 2002, 20:07:18, you wrote:

DH> On a German keyboard those don't do anything. Only +


Well, here's the list for Slovenian keyboard:

 1~  2Ą  3^  4˘  5°  6˛  7`  8˙  9´  0˝  ?¨  +¸
 Q\  W|  E€  Š÷  Đ×  F[  G]  Kł  LŁ  Ćß  Ž¤  V@
 B{  N}  M§
 ^   ^   ^   ^
 ] on US keyb.   \ on US keyb.
 [ on US keyboard" on US keyboard

Most of the characters in 1st line are used for accents - AltGr+?, o = ö

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Ray Vermey]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:18:00 +0100, Luc wrote:

>RR> On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:24:39 PM, GeekMaster wrote:
>
>
>G>> PocoMail.  In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but
>nobody works harder than PocoMail's
>G>> author at accomodating user requests in the mail client. HTML is
>nothing new, and despite the wishes of
>G>> some, it's not going to go away.  When The Bat makes the leap
>into the "new world", I will almost
>G>> certainly use it again, as so much of everything else that it
>does is virtually perfect.

>
>RR>    I'm just curious if anyone could give
>RR>    me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The

Well i use Poco for one day now and here are some of my findings:
 
1) I coulnd't get Poco to work behind a firewall and that suck big time!!
 
2) Poco has a more slicker, nicier interface. Works realy cool.
 
3) Multiple accounts are much easier under the Bat, in Poco you have to log in and out of the different accounts
 
4) mailinglist and extra's are only for the registered users.
 
5) I like the HTML-editor of Poco.
 
6) Poco has a switch with which you can enable or disable HTML downloading within the message (The Bat lets you dubbleclick on the Attachment)
 
7) I like the colouring of unread folders
 
8) Making nested folders is easy. 
 
9) Filtering is also very easy
 
10) Moveing folders up and down is not easy, that is i dont know yet how to do that.
 
11) I like the reports after downloading messages. You see in a glance what came in and was filtered where.
 
12) There is a powerfull scripting language on board though i dont know yet what to do with it ;-)
 
13) filtering a whole folder you have to select all the messages first ??? Bat does that BATTER ;-))
 
14) threading works quite oke but here also when i delete the first message in a thread sometimes the thread looks broken or the messagepointer goes to a message above the thread and the rest of the thread disapears below the message list.
 
15) what i found very annoying in the latest betas was that when a new mail arrives which is part of a thread and that 1st message is old, i have to go down the list to see that message. Earlier the newest messages in old threads were on top as i sorted them.
 
I could go on for a while but till now i realy like the slick interface of PocoMail a lot better than the Bat and also its HTML-possibility.
 
The Bat in my eyes is developping towards a more and more hightech mailer (I am an Unix "guru" for 12 years now so i know what i am talking about) I like also pretty mails and some cute decoration in my day to day mail-life!
Indeed all the bugs that are still there in the Bat is getting me finaly. Poco seems to be a lot more stable.
 
Well i will playing around for some time with Pocomail and see how things develop. But going back to the Bat is like stepping in an old (but good driving) car ;-]
 
Cheers
 
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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 14 Jan 2002, 12:41:11 pm, Dierk Haasis wrote:


>> It works correctly over here:
>> alt-129: 
> ü
>> alt-137: ‰
> ë
>> alt-225: á
> ß
>> alt-128: € (my current favourite)
> Ç
>> alt-235: ë
> Ù
>> alt-223: ß
> _
>> alt-252: ü
> ³


> With that numbers (as you gave them) I get what you see above. They
> are ASCII. For ANSI you'll need a leading "0" (see below in same order
> as above):

> 
> ‰
> á
> €
> ë
> ß
> ü

> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
> Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
> do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?


I sure am feeling left out, because I do all my e-mailing on a laptop,
have no numeric pad and none of this works.


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Re[2]: Text phrase in filter string

[Luc]

It was foretold that on 14-1-2002 @ 19:15:42 GMT+0100 (which was 19:15
where I live) Roelof Otten wrote and spread these wise comments on
"Text phrase in filter string":

RO> I want less work and more money

That's the best one LOL

Sorry Roelof, ik kon er niet aan weerstaan

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Color Groups

[Joseph N.]

Two questions about color groups:

1.  Is there a way to select a color group for a message that is in
the edit (composition) window?  In other words, instead of sending the
message and then finding it in the sent message folder, or even
another folder if it's been filtered, and then assigning a color
group, is it possible to do it at the time it is being written, before
it is sent?

2.  It seems to me that a color group column in a folder view only
shows the group to which the message has been assigned.  It does not
operate as a multi-pick column, i.e, one cannot get a pull-down menu
from the column and select an appropriate group.  Is my understanding
about this correct?


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Re: Drag-and-drop folders?

[Nils Haag (m. l.)]

Hello Geordon, hi list,
 
On Monday, January 14, 2002 'Geordon VanTassle' wrote:

>   Can it be done?  Or, did I just miss something?

Use  + drag'n'drop.
To make a subdirectory  +  + drag'n'drop

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Re: Wish: More e-mail directories

[Nils Haag (m. l.)]

Hello Roelof, hi list,
 
On Monday, January 14, 2002 'Roelof Otten' wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:50:31 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 9:50 +0100GMT, where I
> live), you wrote:

DH>>I'd like to have more e-mail search directories built into TB!.

> Don't know what you mean with that.

If you open the search dialogue you can search for a specific word in
- one directory
- the active account
- in all accounts.

I have also often needed to search in two or three folders. To do this
at the moment you can only select the active account or you have to
search several times.
 

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Drag-and-drop folders?

[Geordon VanTassle]

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  Can it be done?  Or, did I just miss something?

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Re[2]: Text phrase in filter string

[Joseph N.]

 Roelof Otten wrote on Monday, January 14, 2002:

> Depends on it. If your string is "I want more", than you don't need
> regexp, but you need regexp if you also want to filter on:
> I  want more
> I do want more
> I want much more
> I want less work and more money

Roeleof, what if I want much more, and less work, and more money? Can
TB! help me achieve that?  ;-)

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Re: Distribution Lists

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Hello Nick, hi list,
 
On Monday, January 14, 2002 'Nick Andriash' wrote:

> Perhaps I have not understood your instructions but I cannot get TB to
> produce a message, addressed to 50 people on a Private Mailing List such
> that each recipient receives a message with their own address in the To:
> field.

This is not possible with _one_message, but with as many msg's as
recipients.
One Mail where each recipient sees only it's own address in the TO:
field is not possible. But this is not a limitation of TB!, but the
SMTProtocol.

Either Pegasus has split up your one mail, so that each one got its
own mail (than also 50 mails were sent) or we didn't understand your
description yet.

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Re: Text phrase in filter string

[Gerard de Vries]

 
ON Monday, January 14, 2002, 7:15:42 PM, you wrote:

Roelof> Hello Joseph,

Roelof> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:12:30 -0600GMT (14-1-02, 17:12 +0100GMT, where
Roelof> I live), you wrote:

JN>> I want to filter on a three word string to be found in the body of
JN>> email messages.  All three words have to be present, and in a
JN>> particular order.

JN>> If I put the phrase as the filter string, location is anywhere, will
JN>> TB! do what I want?

Roelof> Yes, but location is text would be better, your string might occur in
Roelof> the headers (eg in the subject) and you want to check on it in the
Roelof> body.

JN>> Will the program search for any one of the words?  Or all three in any
JN>> order?  Is this the point at which I should finally learn regex?

Roelof> Depends on it. If your string is "I want more", than you don't need
Roelof> regexp, but you need regexp if you also want to filter on:
Roelof> I  want more
Roelof> I do want more
Roelof> I want much more
Roelof> I want less work and more money

Roelof,

 Could you not just filter using "I & want & more" in text?

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Luc]

It was foretold that on 14-1-2002 @ 22:20:39 GMT-0500 (which was 4:20
where I live) Rick Reumann wrote and spread these wise comments on
"[OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails":


RR> On Sunday, January 13, 2002, 4:24:39 PM, GeekMaster wrote:


G>> "on the fly" inline HTML message rendering.  At this moment, I'm composing this 
from Opera 6's e-mail 
G>> client, because being integrated into the browser, it's so very convenient.  
Generally though, I use 
G>> PocoMail.  In some ways, it's less powerful than The Bat, but nobody works harder 
than PocoMail's 
G>> author at accomodating user requests in the mail client. HTML is nothing new, and 
despite the wishes of 
G>> some, it's not going to go away.  When The Bat makes the leap into the "new 
world", I will almost 
G>> certainly use it again, as so much of everything else that it does is virtually 
perfect.

RR>I'm just curious if anyone could give
RR>me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The Bat! I'm
RR>a registered user of The Bat! that came from Pegasus so I'm just
RR>curious what some users of it think of it compared to The Bat!. If
RR>this is too off topic I apologize and feel free to mail me off
RR>list. Mail clients interest me and I'll probably download pocomail
RR>just for the fun of it, but figured I'd get some opinions first if
RR>anyone had any.


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RR>   -Jack Handey



 

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Re[2]: Extended ASCII Characters

[L Carlson]

Hello Dierk,

den 14 januari 2002, 19:41, you wrote:

DH> Hello Thomas!

DH> On 14 Jan 2002 at 5:30:21 pm you wrote:

Snip

DH> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
DH> Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
DH> do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?

It's the same with the swedish keyboard AltGr+e = €


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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Alastair Scott]

On 14 January 2002 at 18:41 Dierk wrote:

> BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
> Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
> do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?

United Kingdom keyboards are Europhiles and AltGr-4 does it (your
'right Alt' is our 'AltGr') :€

(Switching to the US layout, AltGr-4 doesn't do anything; Alt-0128
produces the euro symbol).

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Thomas!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 5:30:21 pm you wrote:

> It works correctly over here:
> alt-129: 
ü
> alt-137: ‰
ë
> alt-225: á
ß
> alt-128: € (my current favourite)
Ç
> alt-235: ë
Ù
> alt-223: ß
_
> alt-252: ü
³


With that numbers (as you gave them) I get what you see above. They
are ASCII. For ANSI you'll need a leading "0" (see below in same order
as above):


‰
á
€
ë
ß
ü

BTW, the EURO sign, can you get at it by pressing the right +?
Or is this only feasible with a German keyboard layout? And how then
do other EURO countries do it? Or Americans? Or ...?


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When answered, new arise.

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Re: Distribution Lists

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Hi Nick,

On 14 January 2002 at 10:30:27 -0800 (which was 18:30 where I live)
Nick Andriash wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

>> How else would send individualized messages to fifty people?

> You can create your Mailing List Group then check the box under
> Properties to add it to the "instant address pop up". That will
> create a message addressed like this: Test Group  and so all
> the User sees is one message in the Outbox. The problem though is
> that all the Users are shown in the To: field on receipt.

You could send it To: "Test Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" , BCC:
"Test Group " to avoid that effect. It's not 50 personalised
messages, for which I would always let TB's excellent mass mailing
facilities take control.

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Geoff!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 7:17:40 pm you wrote:

> After the last thread on euro symbols and other extended characters, I
> followed one of the links to learn that the AltGr key on my (UK)
> keyboard has more purpose than just to fill the space to the right of
> the space key :)

> AltGr+4 = €

Hey, part of my question already answered. :-)

> AltGr +  gives that vowel with an acute accent. So,
> AltGr+e = é, AltGr+E = É, AltGr+a = á, etc.

On a German keyboard those don't do anything. Only +

<+>  ~
  @
<2>  ²
<3>  ³
<7>  {
<8>  [
<9>  ]
<0>  }
<ß>* \
  µ

have an effect. Note that you can also use + instead of
.


*This one is tricky on any non-German keyboard, it's the key next to
<0> on the alpha-numerical "pad"; as are all keys mentioned.



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Re[2]: Changing received message subject

[Elwin Oost]

On Monday, January 14, 2002, 5:38:33 AM, Thomas wrote:

> No, TB does not allow you to alter incoming messages at all. Has been
> the cause of heated discussions already, so let's not start that
> again. ;-)

Actually, when I needed it I found a way you can do so B)

Message- Save as: Email message (.MSG)

That's plain ASCII text. Edit at will, then:

Tools- Import messages- from .MSG

After this operation finishes succesfully, of course delete the old
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Re: regexps for coloring messages

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Mrten!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 4:18:57 pm you wrote:

> So what it comes down to is this I guess: I'd like to color messages that
> have the word 'PGP' in the message BODY (not the signature!) between the
> PGP-markers.

What it comes down to is that your filter should look for

   "PGP" (in Body)

   and

   not "signed" (in Body)

Only downside is that this would not get messages about PGP (theme in
Body), which are also signed by PGP.

1. Hope I am right?!

2. Hope that helps.




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Re: regexps for coloring messages

[Mrten]

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Om 19:27 op maandag 14 januari 2002, Dierk Haasis:

> Only downside is that this would not get messages about PGP (theme in
> Body), which are also signed by PGP.

> 1. Hope I am right?!

it looks like you're right, both in the solution (one of my many tries,
the best i've found to work), and in the downside.

i hate downsides :)

another downside: you refer to your PGP key in your signature, so that is
a false hit as well.


this is the regexp i have now:

(?i)(begin|end) pgp (signed message|signature) , presence NO
(?i)PGP, presence YES

Mrten.

ps. btw: can I configure thebat! so that, when replying, it does NOT cut
off the signature?

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Kenneth S. Rhee]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:23:59 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote:
>Being the curious type, I tried it but right from the start I
>couldn't
>even set up hierarchical folders so that pretty much did it for me.
>If
>there is a way I couldn't find it...

You can set up the subfolders.  I believe you have to do it while the 
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It's not that hard.
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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Kenneth S. Rhee]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:37:02 +, Alastair Scott wrote:
>Well, I had a look at Poco and it turned me right off straight away
>(as Pegasus and Eudora do). I'm a user interface designer - and
>sensitive to such things - and I'd rather have an "old-fashioned"
>interface like TB's rather than one which doesn't look like a 
Windows
>application.

You know you can change the skin to make it look different.

I see Poco as more powerful in terms of setting up the display.
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Re: Wish: More e-mail directories

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Roelof!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 3:00:41 pm you wrote:

DH>>I'd like to have more e-mail search directories built into TB!.

> Don't know what you mean with that.

Very easy. If you use the AB to search for an address you can choose
different directories - all your own AB's (incl. Certificate
directories) and some pre-defined on line directories. At the moment I
have only Netcenter, Netcenter Business (both are not really up to the
task for various reasons) and Bigfoot.

How about adding MESA (a Hanover/Germany based Meta search engine for
e-mails), Yahoo, Lycos ...?



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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Alastair Scott]

On 14 January 2002 at 03:20 Rick wrote:

>I'm just curious if anyone could give
>me some of the benefits/drawbacks of using PocoMail vs The Bat! I'm
>a registered user of The Bat! that came from Pegasus so I'm just
>curious what some users of it think of it compared to The Bat!. If
>this is too off topic I apologize and feel free to mail me off
>list. Mail clients interest me and I'll probably download pocomail
>just for the fun of it, but figured I'd get some opinions first if
>anyone had any.

Well, I had a look at Poco and it turned me right off straight away
(as Pegasus and Eudora do). I'm a user interface designer - and
sensitive to such things - and I'd rather have an "old-fashioned"
interface like TB's rather than one which doesn't look like a Windows
application.

That said, some of the Poco features are very powerful; I was amused
to see that the spam filtering (on word lists) was anticipated by
myself, and the scripting language looks nice :)

Alastair


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Re: Distribution Lists

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dwight A Corrin,

On Monday, January 14 2002 at 09:57 AM PDT, you wrote:

> How else would send individualized messages to fifty people?

You can create your Mailing List Group then check the box under
Properties to add it to the "instant address pop up". That will create a
message addressed like this: Test Group  and so all the User sees
is one message in the Outbox. The problem though is that all the Users
are shown in the To: field on receipt.

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Geoff Lane]

Monday, January 14, 2002, 4:30:21 PM, Thomas F wrote:

> alt-128: € (my current favourite)
---

After the last thread on euro symbols and other extended characters, I
followed one of the links to learn that the AltGr key on my (UK)
keyboard has more purpose than just to fill the space to the right of
the space key :)

AltGr+4 = €

AltGr +  gives that vowel with an acute accent. So,
AltGr+e = é, AltGr+E = É, AltGr+a = á, etc.

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Re: [OT sort of] PocoMail- was Re[4]: HTML based emails

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Rick Reumann,

On Sunday, January 13 2002 at 07:20 PM PDT, you wrote:

> I'm just curious if anyone could give   me some of the benefits/drawbacks
> of using PocoMail vs The Bat!

Being the curious type, I tried it but right from the start I couldn't
even set up hierarchical folders so that pretty much did it for me. If
there is a way I couldn't find it... and it shouldn't be that hard to
find. I didn't go any further with it and so I cannot say whether
PocoMail is capable of message threading or not, which to me is a must.


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Re: Text phrase in filter string

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Joseph,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:12:30 -0600GMT (14-1-02, 17:12 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JN> I want to filter on a three word string to be found in the body of
JN> email messages.  All three words have to be present, and in a
JN> particular order.

JN> If I put the phrase as the filter string, location is anywhere, will
JN> TB! do what I want?

Yes, but location is text would be better, your string might occur in
the headers (eg in the subject) and you want to check on it in the
body.

JN> Will the program search for any one of the words?  Or all three in any
JN> order?  Is this the point at which I should finally learn regex?

Depends on it. If your string is "I want more", than you don't need
regexp, but you need regexp if you also want to filter on:
I  want more
I do want more
I want much more
I want less work and more money

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Dwight A Corrin]

On 14 Jan 2002, 9:30:19 am, Ottar Grimstad wrote:

NA>> If you have 50 people in that AB, then the above instructions
NA>> result in 50 separate message clogging up your Outbox.

> Yes - you get 50 separate messages. Whether this is a problem or not -
> depends on the length of the list and the bandwidth of the connection
> to the net.

How else would send individualized messages to fifty people?

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Re: Generating a mailing list

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Stefan,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:32 -0600GMT (14-1-02, 16:45 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

SZ> I have a TB! mail folder that contains numerous messages from
SZ> customers and prospects. I would like to create an address book

Easy.
 Open the address book
 Create an address book group "iceclients" (or whatever)
 Close the address book
 Start the Sorting Office
 Create a "read messages" filter
  Set the source and target folders to your specific folder
  Set a string that occurs in every message as condition
(eg String: "@" Place "Sender" Presence "Yes")
  Check the filter both "Active" and "Manual only"
  Action tab:
Add addresses to address book
items: Sender
add to group:  iceclients
  Advanced tab
Addresses must not be listed in the address book
items:  Sender
group: iceclients
  (The advanced item will take care that you won't get duplicate
  entries)
  Close the sorting office
  Select the folder with your business mail
  Right mouse button
  Re-filter messages
 Check "Read messages" and "Manual filters only"
 and go ahead with the re-filtering
 And you're done

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Ottar Grimstad,

On Monday, January 14 2002 at 07:30 AM PDT, you wrote:

> NA> That would be a neat trick if possible...
> 
> What do you mean? It IS possible

Well, I've tried to follow your suggestion but it does not work for me
as you say it should.
  
> NA> If you have 50 people in that AB, then the above instructions result in
> NA> 50 separate message clogging up your Outbox.
 
> Yes - you get 50 separate messages. Whether this is a problem or not
> - depends on the length of the list and the bandwidth of the
> connection to the net.

It's not so much the 50 messages as it is that every message's To: field
just has the one address, because the other addresses are hidden the the
Bcc field. In essence, everyone receives the same message but the To:
field does _not_ have their specific address in it.

Perhaps I have not understood your instructions but I cannot get TB to
produce a message, addressed to 50 people on a Private Mailing List such
that each recipient receives a message with their own address in the To:
field.


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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Jint,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:40 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 18:03 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

>> Make sure 'NumLock' is switched on when trying this!!!

JN> In programs like WordPad (Write) or NotePad and other programs it
JN> doesn't make a difference if NumLock is on or off. But this
JN> "trick" also works for Lotus Notes and Microsoft Word !

JN> Why do different programs behave differently regarding NumLock and
JN> ALT=key combinations ?

The operating system (or the keyboard driver) translates it, but when
a program wants to react to hotkeys (or whatever you call them) they
have to do some keyboard mapping for themselves. I suppose this has
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Re: Generating a mailing list

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Stefan,

14 Jan 2002, 4:45:32 pm, you wrote to TBUDL:

SZ> I have a TB! mail folder that contains numerous messages from
SZ> customers and prospects. I would like to create an address book or
SZ> mailing list from this folder.

  You can make a manual filter that filters for @ i sender (i.e. ALL
  senders e-mailadresses) and on actions (scroll down) Add addresses
  to address book. Then make this folder the active folder and run
  this filter.

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Jint Nijman]

Peter wrote:

> Make sure 'NumLock' is switched on when trying this!!!
Thank you, that helps a lot !!

But I'm really surprized to learn this. I really would consider myself a (very)
experienced PC user (I used to write software) but I was not aware of this feature.

In programs like WordPad (Write) or NotePad and other programs it doesn't make
a difference if NumLock is on or off.
But this "trick" also works for Lotus Notes and Microsoft Word !

Why do different programs behave differently regarding NumLock and ALT=key 
combinations ?

Strange, I guess you're never to old to learn something !!!

Thanks a lot for solving this problem. No I can finally write Citroën correctly (in
TheBat!).


regards,

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Carsten Thönges]

Hi Jint,

JN> Sometimes I need characters like ë, ß, ü, etc. in mails. In most
JN> window programms I can use the ALT-137, ALT-225 and ALT-129, etc.
JN> key combinations for this, but in TheBat! this doesn't work. When
JN> I type ALT-129 for example all I get is a "Load file" menu.

Num lock key ;-)

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Jint,

On 14 Jan 2002 at 5:20:01 pm you wrote (at least in part):

JN> Sometimes I need characters like  ë, ß, ü, etc. in mails. In most window programms 
I can use
JN> the ALT-137, ALT-225 and ALT-129, etc. key combinations for this, but in TheBat! 
this doesn't
JN> work. When I type ALT-129 for example all I get is a "Load file" menu.

JN> Why don't these standard ALT-key combinations work in TheBat!, and how can I add 
extended
JN> ASCII to my
JN> e-mails using in TheBat! ?

Make sure 'NumLock' is switched on when trying this!!!
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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Thomas F]

Hello Jernej,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:30:33 +0100 GMT (15/01/02, 00:30 +0800 GMT),
Jernej Simonèiè wrote:

JS> Alt-129: ü
JS> Alt-137: ë
JS> Alt-225: ß

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:30:21 +0800 GMT (15/01/02, 00:30 +0800 GMT),
Thomas F wrote:

TF> alt-235: ë
TF> alt-223: ß
TF> alt-252: ü

What's going on? Fourdimensional overlap, because we sent our messages
in exactly the same minute?

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Jernej Simonèiè]

Hello Jint,

14. januar 2002, 17:20:01, you wrote:

JN> Sometimes I need characters like  ë, ß, ü, etc. in mails. In most window programms 
I can use
JN> the ALT-137, ALT-225 and ALT-129, etc. key combinations for this, but in TheBat! 
this doesn't
JN> work. When I type ALT-129 for example all I get is a "Load file" menu.

Alt-129: ü
Alt-137: ë
Alt-225: ß

Works fine here.

BTW: next time don't start a new thread by replying to a message in
old thread, as many people may overlook it. Press <1> in the main
window to see what I mean.

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Re: Extended ASCII Characters

[Thomas F]

Hello Jint,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:01 +0100 GMT (15/01/02, 00:20 +0800 GMT),
Jint Nijman wrote:

JN> Sometimes I need characters like  ë, ß, ü, etc. in mails. In most window programms 
I can use
JN> the ALT-137, ALT-225 and ALT-129, etc. key combinations for this, but in TheBat! 
this doesn't
JN> work. When I type ALT-129 for example all I get is a "Load file" menu.

It works correctly over here:
alt-129: 
alt-137: ‰
alt-225: á
alt-128: € (my current favourite)

alt-235: ë
alt-223: ß
alt-252: ü
(The three examples of your text above).

JN> Why don't these standard ALT-key combinations work in TheBat!,

I assume that many keycombos (like alt-129) are occupied by another program currently
running on your machine.

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Re[2]: Adressbook

[Ralf Heinl]

Hello Thomas,

Am Montag, 14. Januar 2002 um 17:22 schrieben Sie:

TF> Hello Ralf,

TF> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:57:32 +0100 GMT (14/01/02, 23:57 +0800 GMT),
TF> Ralf Heinl wrote:

PP>>> "Acount" / "Properties" / "Default Address book" should be what you're
PP>>> looking for.

RH>> I will try it but i remember that it did not work because the
RH>> adressbook is no more available after a reboot of the system.

TF> I have the feeling that both instances of TB use the same registry
TF> file.
That sound logical but each user has an own TCP/IP Workstation and it
is installad on each WS separately.


TF> If B uses his addressbook and then A starts his TB, the setting is set
TF> to the currently open addressbook B. A has no access to his own
TF> addressbook, because according to the registry settings, he is a copy
TF> of B.

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Auto Responding to SpamCop

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  There's been a fair amount of traffic on how to
  automate a reply to SpamCop w TB! Maybe this will
  help those who are having a problem with this
  process.

  First, from the SpamCop website @ URL are
  instructions which you must follow.

,- [To register w SpamCop go to URL]
|
| http://spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml
| 
| SpamCop FAQ : Parsing and reporting spam : 
| How do I submit spam via email? 
| To use the "Email submission system" you
| now have to register for a SpamCop account.
| 
| Once you have confirmed your registration, go to your
| SpamCop home page (either http://spamcop.net/ or
| http://members.spamcop.net/). Right below the "Welcome"
| message you will notice a coded email address.
| 
| This is your personal email address that you can
| forward spam to. Spam you forward to this address will
| have a reply (containing the parsing link) to the
| address you used to register with SpamCop.
'-

  This is what I did to automate the TB! process which
  works for me (& hopefully will work for you)

,- [TB! setup]
| Create a color group
| Create a 'Read' filter
| Rule Name = Forward to SpamCop (or your choice)
| Strings = 
| Rule is Active
| Options = Execute by Hot Key (your choice)
| Actions:
|   Set msg color group (your choice)
|   Delete the msg
|   Send Auto Reply
|Template =
|  %HEADERS
|  %TEXT
|  %TO=""
|  %TO="submit.(spamcop_generated_unique_address).spamcop.net"
|  %ACCOUNT="your choice"
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Re: Adressbook

[Thomas F]

Hello Ralf,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:57:32 +0100 GMT (14/01/02, 23:57 +0800 GMT),
Ralf Heinl wrote:

PP>> "Acount" / "Properties" / "Default Address book" should be what you're
PP>> looking for.

RH> I will try it but i remember that it did not work because the
RH> adressbook is no more available after a reboot of the system.

I have the feeling that both instances of TB use the same registry
file.

If B uses his addressbook and then A starts his TB, the setting is set
to the currently open addressbook B. A has no access to his own
addressbook, because according to the registry settings, he is a copy
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Extended ASCII Characters

[Jint Nijman]

Dear TheBat! users,

Sometimes I need characters like  ë, ß, ü, etc. in mails. In most window programms I 
can use
the ALT-137, ALT-225 and ALT-129, etc. key combinations for this, but in TheBat! this 
doesn't
work. When I type ALT-129 for example all I get is a "Load file" menu.

Why don't these standard ALT-key combinations work in TheBat!, and how can I add 
extended
ASCII to my
e-mails using in TheBat! ?

Thank you very much in advance for any answer !


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Text phrase in filter string

[Joseph N.]

I want to filter on a three word string to be found in the body of
email messages.  All three words have to be present, and in a
particular order.

If I put the phrase as the filter string, location is anywhere, will
TB! do what I want?

Will the program search for any one of the words?  Or all three in any
order?  Is this the point at which I should finally learn regex?

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Re[2]: Adressbook

[Ralf Heinl]

Guten Tag Peter Palmreuther,

Am Montag, 14. Januar 2002 um 15:27 schrieben Sie:

PP> Hello Ralf,

PP> On 14 Jan 2002 at 3:06:07 pm you wrote (at least in part):

RH>> can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH>> "The Bat!" to use a special Adressbook?

PP> "Acount" / "Properties" / "Default Address book" should be what you're
PP> looking for.
I will try it but i remember that it did not work because the
adressbook is no more available after a reboot of the system.

Thank you

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Re[2]: Adressbook

[Ralf Heinl]

Hello Roelof,

Am Montag, 14. Januar 2002 um 16:41 schrieben Sie:

RO> Hello Ralf,

RO> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:14 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 15:47 +0100GMT, where
RO> I live), you wrote:

RO>>> BTW Why don't you start the Address Book and use via the menu:
RO>>>  File -> Open address book
RO>>>  or 
RH>> I have a very big problem in my network.

RH>> User A opens his Adressbook
RH>> User B opens his Adressbook and User A has after a restart suddenly user
RH>> B's Adressbook online and no more its own.

RO> I've read your earlier messages on this subject and I've also noticed
RO> that everybody carefully avoided to react. Probably because nobody
RO> knew the answer.
I know that :-))
Therefore I changed my question that it sounds a little bit more
simple.

RH>> I have installed every users "The Bat!" on the network but in an own
RH>> directory for each user.

RO> Well, that's the first time you mentioned that. In that case is it
RO> possible that you're configurations are (partially) copies of each
RO> other?
I am afraid, that can be (partially) and after a new installation the
Adressbook-location is fixed in the (old) account-data.

RO> There are two things I'd try first if were you.
RO> 1) Go for Peter's option to set default address books per account or
i think it changes after each reboot of another user. But I'm not
sure and will try it.

RO> 2) Use one address book for all users
NO!

RH>> Maybe after changing the registrykey it will work fine.
RH>> Or any other idea?

RO> Don't go for the registry key yet. I just found out that in my setup
I will examine that!

RO> it links to a non existing file, nevertheless everything works fine.
RO> 

Thank you

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Generating a mailing list

[Stefan Zauchenberger]

Hello,

I have a TB! mail folder that contains numerous messages from
customers and prospects. I would like to create an address book
or mailing list from this folder.

Is there any way to accomplish this with the TB!?

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Re: Distribution Lists

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Nick,

14 Jan 2002, 9:26:29 am, you wrote to TBUDL:

>>  There also is a way to make individual adressed messages to each
>>  of  the members, so only their adress is seen in the To: field.

NA> That would be a neat trick if possible...

What do you mean? It IS possible
 
>>   Make the massage itself as a Quick Template.
>>   Mark the recipients in the AddressBook
>>   In the adress book select File, Mass mailing using template

NA> If you have 50 people in that AB, then the above instructions result in
NA> 50 separate message clogging up your Outbox.

Yes - you get 50 separate messages. Whether this is a problem or not -
depends on the length of the list and the bandwidth of the connection
to the net.


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Re: Adressbook

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Ralf,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:47:14 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 15:47 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RO>> BTW Why don't you start the Address Book and use via the menu:
RO>>  File -> Open address book
RO>>  or 
RH> I have a very big problem in my network.

RH> User A opens his Adressbook
RH> User B opens his Adressbook and User A has after a restart suddenly user
RH> B's Adressbook online and no more its own.

I've read your earlier messages on this subject and I've also noticed
that everybody carefully avoided to react. Probably because nobody
knew the answer.

RH> I have installed every users "The Bat!" on the network but in an own
RH> directory for each user.

Well, that's the first time you mentioned that. In that case is it
possible that you're configurations are (partially) copies of each
other?
There are two things I'd try first if were you.
1) Go for Peter's option to set default address books per account or
2) Use one address book for all users

RH> Maybe after changing the registrykey it will work fine.
RH> Or any other idea?

Don't go for the registry key yet. I just found out that in my setup
it links to a non existing file, nevertheless everything works fine.



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regexps for coloring messages

[Mrten]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

hi all,

I'd like to color messages that have the word 'PGP' in the body of the
message, so I tried putting that in a filter. However, just marking 'PGP'
is not enough, since that marks messages with 'BEGIN PGP SIGNED' as well
:)

So it is a bit more complicated than just that, and I figured someone here
might know the answer? My guess is using regexps, but I have no experience
in using them with Thebat.

So what it comes down to is this I guess: I'd like to color messages that
have the word 'PGP' in the message BODY (not the signature!) between the
PGP-markers.

Anyone think that is feasible?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)

[Thomas F]

Hello sbsi,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:38:33 -0600 GMT (14/01/02, 21:38 +0800 GMT),
sbsi lists wrote:

sl> However, I would really like it to change all my folders without me
sl> having to go in and edit them... and when I exited/restarted the only
sl> folders that had the memo field were the original ones that I had
sl> already edited.  So, it worked for you but not me!! (bummer!)

In the folder properties, select [X] Use the account default column
settings. This actually means "make this folder's setting the
default". If you have several folders with this tickmark, you change
a column setting, it gets changed this way in all folders with this
tickmark.

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Re[2]: Adressbook

[Ralf Heinl]

Guten Tag Roelof Otten,

Am Montag, 14. Januar 2002 um 15:28 schrieben Sie:

RO> Hello Ralf,

RO> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:06:07 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 15:06 +0100GMT, where
RO> I live), you wrote:

RH>> can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH>> "The Bat!" to use a special Adressbook?

RO> HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
Thank you very much!


RO> Don't whether it may occur more than once.

RO> BTW Why don't you start the Address Book and use via the menu:
RO>  File -> Open address book
RO>  or 
I have a very big problem in my network.

User A opens his Adressbook
User B opens his Adressbook and User A has after a restart suddenly user
B's Adressbook online and no more its own.

And the same game after User A makes its own Adressbook available -
User B then has the Adressbook of user A and no more its own.

I have installed every users "The Bat!" on the network but in an own
directory for each user.


Maybe after changing the registrykey it will work fine.

Or any other idea?


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Re: Adressbook

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Ralf,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:06:07 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 15:06 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RH> can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH> "The Bat!" to use a special Adressbook?

HKCU-Software-RIT-The Bat!- Address Book
Don't whether it may occur more than once.

BTW Why don't you start the Address Book and use via the menu:
 File -> Open address book
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Re: Adressbook

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Ralf,

On 14 Jan 2002 at 3:06:07 pm you wrote (at least in part):

RH> can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
RH> "The Bat!" to use a special Adressbook?

"Acount" / "Properties" / "Default Address book" should be what you're
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Adressbook

[Ralf Heinl]

Hello,

can anyone tell me where is the (registry) or any other key to tell
"The Bat!" to use a special Adressbook?

Thank you

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Re: Wish: More e-mail directories

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Dierk,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:50:31 +0100GMT (14-1-02, 9:50 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

DH>I'd like to have more e-mail search directories built into TB!.

Don't know what you mean with that.

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Re[2]: Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)

[sbsi lists]

Hi Dwight,

I noticed this same thing a couple of days ago and almost e-mailed the
list last night when this thread started up... but then didn't because
I figured this was normal behavior.

However, I would really like it to change all my folders without me
having to go in and edit them... and when I exited/restarted the only
folders that had the memo field were the original ones that I had
already edited.  So, it worked for you but not me!! (bummer!)

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DAC> That would seem to be a bug. You can add the memo column to a folder
DAC> view, but it didn't then get added to other folder's folder view in
DAC> the same account. But then I exited and restarted and now all my
DAC> folder view windows in all accounts include the memo column. This is a
DAC> good thing.


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Distribution Lists - Thanks

[GJim]

Howdy Ladies and Gents,

Thanks to all who responded regarding my question about distribution
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Re: Filter - Extract selected address

[Maurice Snellen]

On 14 Jan 2002, at 11:10:11 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:10 where I live)
Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote:

JBL> Anybody knows how to make it conditional. That is to say; if the
JBL> address is already in the address book, do not store it.

Look at the 'Advanced' tab and scroll down using the scrollbar;
there's an option 'Address(es) must not be listed in the address
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Filter - Extract selected address

[Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine]

Hello,

I've setup a filter to extract e-mail address from received messages
using the action panel of the filter setup.
Anybody knows how to make it conditional. That is to say; if the
address is already in the address book, do not store it.
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Re: Memo function (was: Changing received message subject)

[Geoff Lane]

Monday, January 14, 2002, 7:29:23 AM, Roelof Otten wrote:

> Not in my setup. I can save memos both in preview mode and in folder
> view.
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Re: Forwarding Messages

[Thomas F]

Hi Dierk,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:42:41 +0100GMT (14/01/2002, 17:42 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

>> I do not confirm this. Whatever I add to a message when forwarding,
>> will be shown in my Sent box the same way the recipient receives it.

DH> To be precise: How the message looks and what is sent depends on two
DH> things.

Yes, but the message in your Sent box will look the same as the one
the recipient gets.

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Re: Forwarding Messages

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Thomas!

On 14 Jan 2002 at 9:43:44 am you wrote:

PB>> When you forward a message using the Forward button, and add an introductory 
message,
PB>> the Sent folder shows only the original forwarded message and not the introductory
PB>> message, even though the whole lot is received at the forward address.

> I do not confirm this. Whatever I add to a message when forwarding,
> will be shown in my Sent box the same way the recipient receives it.

To be precise: How the message looks and what is sent depends on two
things. 1) What kind of forwarding is used (as standard), MIME or
"normal". 2) How the forwarding template is defined.




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Wish: More e-mail directories

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello TBUDL Members!

  What do you think of this:

   I'd like to have more e-mail search directories built into TB!.


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Re: Forwarding Messages

[Thomas F]

Hi Paul,

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:28:16 +1100GMT (14/01/2002, 16:28 +0800GMT),
Paul Berger wrote:

PB> When you forward a message using the Forward button, and add an introductory 
message,
PB> the Sent folder shows only the original forwarded message and not the introductory
PB> message, even though the whole lot is received at the forward address.

I do not confirm this. Whatever I add to a message when forwarding,
will be shown in my Sent box the same way the recipient receives it.

I use the "Forward" function a lot, rather than Redirect, for messages
are sent to me but I want my staff to reply. I add comments, and in my
Sent box, I see my comments. Very useful when sending reminders by
forwarding this again with additional commnents ... ;-)

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Forwarding Messages

[Paul Berger]

When you forward a message using the Forward button, and add an introductory message,
the Sent folder shows only the original forwarded message and not the introductory
message, even though the whole lot is received at the forward address.

So I avoid using the Forward button to do this. Instead I copy the original message
into a new message and then add introductory message.

Is there a better way to do this?

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Re: Memo function

[Eddie Castelli]

Dear Thomas, 

 --->>> Thomas F / Montag, 14.01.2002, 07:29:20
Memo function


> BTW I *am* using 1.53t.

> Back to Paul's problem, what might have caused it?

Good question! Chris Hall from TB!beta uses b28 and has the same
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Re: Distribution Lists

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Ottar Grimstad,

On Sunday, January 13 2002 at 10:20 PM PDT, you wrote:

>  There also is a way to make individual adressed messages to each of
>   the members, so only their adress is seen in the To: field.

That would be a neat trick if possible...
 
>   Make the massage itself as a Quick Template.
>   Mark the recipients in the AddressBook
>   In the adress book select File, Mass mailing using template

If you have 50 people in that AB, then the above instructions result in
50 separate message clogging up your Outbox. From my standpoint, it
would be better to use "Test Group"  but the only problem is that
the To: field is clogged up with 50 addresses. :o(


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