Reregistering TB!

[Douglas Hinds Miller]

Hello other TBUDL subscribers,

I am a registered TB! user since 1999, beginning W/ v. 1.35. After
finally upgrading from an 486/AMD P133 computer running Win95a to a
new P4 running Win XP Pro, I downloaded the latest TB! from Ritlabs
and installed it. When I tried to register it, I found that my
original key was not accepted. (I was able to reregister Opera w/ no
problems).

How do I either update my TB! registration for the new computer or
fiddle with the registry or ?

Another thing: Although both my old computer and this one run Spanish
versions of windoze (Win95a & XP Pro), TB! installed itself with
Spanish menus. Although I speak Spanish fluently, I prefer to run TB!
in English. (For one thing, the commands are different in Spanish).
Any Suggestions? (I did NOT download a Spanish version of TB!).

Also, as if life wasn't complicated enough, this computer manufacturer
uses a keyboard w/ a different layout (I am in Mexico, which should
run a Latin American keyboard layout for Spanish, but this computer
maker provides a Spanish / Spain keyboard with it). This means I will
have to update or enlarge the TB! Command info Marck provides for
Spanish keyboards on his silverstone website. BTW, I notice that
activity on the Spanish language TB! list has increased considerably
(perhaps someone there has done work on this issue - Chema is in
Spain).

Another thing: both the dutaint and ritlabs servers stopped liking my
original TBUDL/TBTech subscription domain, requiring me to
resubscribe using my myrealbox account. However, I am filtering TB!
mail to a TB! folder in the original account directory, which I
identified using my myrealbox account address. However, when replying
from it, the message editor shows it's being sent from the old
prodigy.net.mx address. Can't TB! adapt to replies sent from a folder
identified as being another Account?

Lastly, what is the address and subscription procedure for the
subscribing to the TB OT List?

In case anyone's interested: Due to a lack of disk space, I stopped
downloading email from some accounts. When I finally did so, more than
8 thousand messages came in at once. (A lot of spam was eliminated
before downloading and I haven't downloaded from some accounts yet.
Obviously, email can get out of control w/o a good email client like
TB!).

Thanks in advance,

Douglas Hinds  

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Re: Word Wrapping

[Allie C Martin]

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Mikem [M] wrote:
...
M> Yes it is possible. The email client I use for my mailing lists
M> (Calypso) wraps locally without wrapping the outgoing message. I
M> was chastised for this very faux pas earlier today. Oddly, this is
M> the first mailing list that could not handle the messages. ;-(

M> Go figure.

If you wish for your message to be compatible with everyone's screen
and for reading comfort, you should set your wrapping and not leave
your text to window wrap which is what is happening to your text on my
screen.

This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC
1855.

Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore
bad formatting. That's all. They just adhere to rule 10 here:

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html

As a moderator, Marck was simply doing his duties by asking you to do
something that will make your readers more comfortable. Formatting is
very important, as much as content. It's not a good thing to wait for
people to complain before thinking of doing things to prevent them
from having to.

I usually get comments from my peers on my formatting. They wish to
know how I manage to so neatly format my messages.

Go figure.

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Re: Bat better than SpamKiller. Now

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi John,

@14 May 2002, 15:13:48 -0700 (23:13 UK time) John Thomas wrote in
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MDP>> I focus any spam anywhere and press Ctrl-Alt-S. ByeBye Spam! (I
MDP>> copy this filter to all accounts).

> How can I make this work on common folders?

Pass. Filters are on a "per-account" basis therefore are not available
to common folders. You'll have to move your spam to a "Spam" account.

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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[David Elliott]

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Hi ztrader

On 15 May 2002 at 17:21:51 -0700 (which was 01:21 where I live) ztrader
graced us with these comments

> I recently moved TB to another computer, and in the process of setting it
> up, I get an *unsolicited* email to the account that I was setting up.

> The only way that could have happened is that TB "called home" (*without*
> asking), reporting that address, and then sent a "spam" email.

Sorry NO. The Bat! does not do this. I have control over my own SMTP server
and being paranoid I did check this.

Just for information.

I recently started to do some work for an ISP, they gave me a brand new
email address. I then started to get SPAM that had been sent before the
address was active. The address had not been published or used. The only way
this could happen was some one use the domain name and add in names to that
domain.

Don't blame The Bat! for spam.

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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Douglas Hinds Miller]

Hello Daniel & other TB! fans,

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 3:07:25 PM, you wrote: 

DG> ... When I tried to connect to the TheBat! FAQ, TheBat! told me
DG> that I was using Opera and therefore I should disable Java and
DG> then reload. So I disabled Java and reloaded.

DG> Then TheBat! told me that I was using an inappropriate browser, one
DG> without Java, and TheBat! told me that I should be browsing with
DG> Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer.

I noticed that today myself but I think the problem lies not with TB!
but with the the fact that the FAQ was prepared using the BrainStorm
mind mapping and thinking tool.

Three separate issues are involved:

1).- The Bat! - but this issue has nothing to do w/ TB!

2).- The Bat! FAQ - which is found on Marck's own website.

3).- The fact that the FAQ was prepared using the BrainStorm
 mind mapping and thinking tool.

Frankly, I reacted much the same as used did, initially. But while the
messages you mention may have coded into the website (i.e. Marck may
have done that), I recognized that the BrainStorm mind mapping and
thinking tool (which DOES provide a pretty neat way to navigate within
the FAQ) evidently uses javascript code that isn't compatible with
Opera. IOW, the culprit is the BrainStorm's author.

DG> It seemed to me that if I were a "navigator" or an "explorer" I
DG> might not be as "batty" as I am , so I tried, but to no avail,
DG> having Opera identify itself to TheBat! as Explorer and then as
DG> Mozilla. I also tried disabling Java Runtime Environment, and both
DG> Java and Java Runtime Environment.

That's not how you do it. You have do: File / Quick Preferences / and
then uncheck Enable Javascript. If you do that, the flat version
of the FAQ loads. However, I liked the way Brainstorm worked and open
up M$IE to check it out - of course I shut it down when done.

Douglas

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OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[David Elliott]

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Dear MikeM

New thread

On 14 May 2002 at 09:59:26 -0400 (which was 14:59 where I live) MikeM
might have written to Marck

>> When writing to this list, please modify your quote prefix to follow
>> the accepted standard since the main software in use on this list does
>> quote coloration as long as a '>' is used as the prefix.

> I use this account for many lists, so the | won't change.  I apologise
> in advance to those who see the colour they do not expect.

Are you saying that in Calypso you can not change the quote except on a
global level.

Calling any RFC experts.

Is there an RFC about this ?

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Re: Auto-responding

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@14 May 2002, 16:49:47 -0500 (22:49 UK time) Jonathan Angliss wrote in
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>> With best wishes,

> What's with best wishes?


Good question!


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Re: Regex

[Adam]

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Gerd Ewald wrote:

> Hello Adam !
>
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2002 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time,
> which was 14.05.2002, 21:15 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:
>
>
> > If you wanted to match 'count' but not 'counting', how would you do that?
>
>
> You mean 'count' as a word of its own? Ok, this will be explained next
> part. Anyway, I can tell you that there are metacharacters indicating
> a word boundary ("\b"). So, although this is to early: "\bcount\b" is
> _one_ possibility.

If I do this, some of the messages found under Message Finder do not
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Re: Regex

[Gerd Ewald]

Hello Adam !

  
On Tue, 14 May 2002 16:32:37 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time,
which was 14.05.2002, 22:32 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

[...]

> If I do this, some of the messages found under Message Finder do not
> contain my word at all.  Odd, don't you think?

Hmmm, I tried, as you told me, to look for "count" with F7 and Regex
ON. And yes I found some, that do not have the word at all: not in
text and not in the kludges. Even a test message like 'bladibla' that
I sent to myself matched. Total match in that folder: 187

Next step was to search for "\bcount\b" and Regex on. That was ok.
Total match in that folder: 45

Well, Adam and I thought that this is a bit strange...

But I think the regex question was answered?!

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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Douglas Hinds Miller]

Hello Daniel & other TB! fans,

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 3:07:25 PM, you wrote: 

DG> ... When I tried to connect to the TheBat! FAQ, TheBat! told me
DG> that I was using Opera and therefore I should disable Java and
DG> then reload. So I disabled Java and reloaded.

DG> Then TheBat! told me that I was using an inappropriate browser, one
DG> without Java, and TheBat! told me that I should be browsing with
DG> Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer.

I noticed that today myself but I think the problem lies not with TB!
but with the the fact that the FAQ was prepared using the BrainStorm
mind mapping and thinking tool.

Three separate issues are involved:

1).- The Bat! - but this issue has nothing to do w/ TB!

2).- The Bat! FAQ - which is found on Marck's own website.

3).- The fact that the FAQ was prepared using the BrainStorm
 mind mapping and thinking tool.

Frankly, I reacted much the same as used did, initially. But while the
messages you mention may have coded into the website (i.e. Marck may
have done that), I recognized that the BrainStorm mind mapping and
thinking tool (which DOES provide a pretty neat way to navigate within
the FAQ) evidently uses javascript code that isn't compatible with
Opera. IOW, the culprit is the BrainStorm's author.

DG> It seemed to me that if I were a "navigator" or an "explorer" I
DG> might not be as "batty" as I am , so I tried, but to no avail,
DG> having Opera identify itself to TheBat! as Explorer and then as
DG> Mozilla. I also tried disabling Java Runtime Environment, and both
DG> Java and Java Runtime Environment.

That's not how you do it. You have do: File / Quick Preferences / and
then uncheck Enable Javascript. If you do that, the flat version
of the FAQ loads. However, I liked the way Brainstorm worked and open
up M$IE to check it out - of course I shut it down when done.

Douglas

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 11:31:55 PM, Yuki Taga wrote:

> I have two accounts, and TB is set to check them both at all times.

> For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
> the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
> one).

I am having the same problem, then, but I have been blaming my ISP,
which is supposed to be having some mail problems at the moment.

Have you tried accessing the same mail accounts from different
software (I use Popcorn when I am travelling, as I can fit it on a USB
Flash Disk), or by using the Despatch Centre?  This might indicate
whether it is a ISP or software problem.

I posted a question about extending the timeouts that TB uses, which
would be the other way round this problem.

Julian

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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Lynn Turriff]

Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 1:07:25 PM, you wrote:

DG> Because Opera is fast, flexible, and secure, I browse
DG> with Opera.

[snip] Me too ..

DG> WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND is that somewhere down
DG> TheBat!'s page (the page that told me to get another
DG> browser), TheBat! offers a .pdf version of TheBat!
DG> FAQ. The page says it will be easier, for
DG> browser-handicapped people like me, to use the .pdf
DG> version of the TheBat! FAQ instead of the second-class
DG> substitute for a usable FAQ page otherwise available
DG> to Opera users by TheBat!. When I clicked on the link
DG> to .pdf version of TheBat! FAQ, nothing happened.
DG> (Yes, I could and did download a .pdf file at another
DG> site using Opera and its Adobie Acrobat plugin,
DG> immediately after I couldn't download the .pdf version
DG> of TheBat! FAQ.)

My policy is that if a site won't view in Opera (to date
one only) I skip it ... I don't read FAQ's unless I have
problems with the software, which The Bat has never given
me, but I went to see what it would do from here. It told
me to disable the Java, but I ignored that, and it did
bring the page up. It doesn't work, but the pdf link was
there, so I hit it and told it to save, and it appears to
have done that. I'm running Opera 6x in Win2kPro SP2.

I don't much like pages that can't be viewed correctly in
your browser of choice, but it seems to me that the users
of the latest Netscape versions are having a lot more
trouble than I do with Opera.

Would be nice to be able to just go through that FAQ on
line, though ;-)

Lynn




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Reregistering TB!

[Douglas Hinds Miller]

Hello other TBUDL subscribers,

I am a registered TB! user since 1999, beginning W/ v. 1.35. After
finally upgrading from an 486/AMD P133 computer running Win95a to a
new P4 running Win XP Pro, I downloaded the latest TB! from Ritlabs
and installed it. When I tried to register it, I found that my
original key was not accepted. (I was able to reregister Opera w/ no
problems).

How do I either update my TB! registration for the new computer or
fiddle with the registry or ?

Another thing: Although both my old computer and this one run Spanish
versions of windoze (Win95a & XP Pro), TB! installed itself with
Spanish menus. Although I speak Spanish fluently, I prefer to run TB!
in English. (For one thing, the commands are different in Spanish).
Any Suggestions? (I did NOT download a Spanish version of TB!).

Also, as if life wasn't complicated enough, this computer manufacturer
uses a keyboard w/ a different layout (I am in Mexico, which should
run a Latin American keyboard layout for Spanish, but this computer
maker provides a Spanish / Spain keyboard with it). This means I will
have to update or enlarge the TB! Command info Marck provides for
Spanish keyboards on his silverstone website. BTW, I notice that
activity on the Spanish language TB! list has increased considerably
(perhaps someone there has done work on this issue - Chema is in
Spain).

Another thing: both the dutaint and ritlabs servers stopped liking my
original TBUDL/TBTech subscription domain, requiring me to
resubscribe using my myrealbox account. However, I am filtering TB!
mail to a TB! folder in the original account directory, which I
identified using my myrealbox account address. However, when replying
from it, the message editor shows it's being sent from the old
prodigy.net.mx address. Can't TB! adapt to replies sent from a folder
identified as being another Account?

Lastly, what is the address and subscription procedure for the
subscribing to the TB OT List?

In case anyone's interested: Due to a lack of disk space, I stopped
downloading email from some accounts. When I finally did so, more than
8 thousand messages came in at once. (A lot of spam was eliminated
before downloading and I haven't downloaded from some accounts yet.
Obviously, email can get out of control w/o a good email client like
TB!).

Thanks in advance,

Douglas Hinds  

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

[Yuki Taga]

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote:

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ACM> Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
ACM> ...
YT>> For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
YT>> the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
YT>> one).

ACM> ...

YT>> Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.)

ACM>  Erm first thing first. :-)

ACM> Are you running a firewall?

Sure.  But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass
through, and still does.

However,  you have apparently found the problem.  The reason I
say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping
beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch.  And
turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep.

This is not good.  The ruleset has never been altered.  And I never
had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

I just checked the ruleset.  It's fine, and unchanged.  I just moved
the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule
list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule.

Still the bleeping beep.

Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping
beep.  I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of
the time.  And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect,
all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop
for some period of time.  (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.)

There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the
firewall off.  It may be that turning it back on triggers this
problem.

But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
before.

Best,

Yuki

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Re: Part 1

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Dave!

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 11:27:57 PM you wrote:

> With best wishes,

> Dave 

Seems Dave is on holiday and set an auto-reply - or some folder
templates is running amok great scale ...

Has anyone tried to contact him privately?


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Re[2]: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 10:32:43 PM:

LT> I don't much like pages that can't be viewed correctly in
LT> your browser of choice, but it seems to me that the users
LT> of the latest Netscape versions are having a lot more
LT> trouble than I do with Opera.

I don't seem to have any trouble viewing with Opera 6.01.  I can't
think of a site I cant view.  If there is one, then I just skip it.
When I go to a site it is for information, not whistles and bells.

Ok, I am done.

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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Marck!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 1:24:29 AM you wrote:

> You've left out buggy, anomalous and incomplete.

Marck, without wanting to start the discussion again, I have to say
that your statement is plainly unfair.

Yes, like all complex software there are still bugs in Opera - like we
see in in TB!
Yes, particularly the UI (and some other implementations) are
anomalous - like TB!
Yes, there are things missing (especially DOM) - like TB! misses some
features other clients have.

Some of these issues are concept-based - like with TB! There are
always discussions going on what Opera should do and how to do it.
Like with TB!

I work with Opera for a much longer time then with TB! and have yet to
find a real "showstopper" (except for certain bugs that were corrected
in a few days - like with TB!). Actually there are only two sites I
know of - and have been to a few times (meaning they are
"interesting") - that I have difficulties using Opera with: TB! FAQ
and another one that is built with MS Java Engine and a very stupid
incorporation of JavaScript to show some pictures.

I can understand your preferences to ease up the programming of the
FAQ - and have never been written against it - but don't blame Opera
the way you do it for being in development (DOM) or certain concept
decisions.

> I agree with all that you say about its speed and security, but
> flexibility? No. It has an incomplete DOM implementation, no local
> cookies in JavaScript and no local parameter passing with URLs.
> All-in-all a non-starter for intelligent pages. Other anomalies will
> also have to be ironed out before Opera can really be counted as
> "mainstream", however large or enthusiastic the user base. Sorry.

That sounds a lot like arguments I have seen here about TB! not being
a usable e-mail client because it doesn't support certain features
(GET!) OE has ...

Like TB! Opera will never been mainstream as long as OE/OL comes "for
free" with every PC sold at ALDI, WalMart or whatever your favourite
discounter is. Actually the user-base for Opera is a bit wider than
TB!'s because they use different marketing schemes including a
banner-showing "free" version.

TMK and E, IE is much buggier and incomplete (sorry for the bad
grammar) than Opera; I've always had/have much more problems with
Netscape (4.5 and above) and have yet to see a final of Mozilla, which
has been reported to be very buggy and sluggish.

To conclude: Nothing against your decision of using DOM, especially
since you incorporated a HTML version for Opera users and a PDF for
off line reading. But don't denigrate a good programme that
absolutely. Remember, TB! can be assailed the same way. ;-)




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Re: Word Wrapping

[David Elliott]

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Hello Mike

On 14 May 2002 at 15:28:49 -0700 (which was 23:28 where I live) Mike
Dillinger emanated these words of wisdom

> I'd like to be able to word wrap locally, but not wrap the message, if
> that makes sense.  So for instance, when I send a message out, I don't
> want the recipients to receive it word wrapped (that allows their
> e-mail client to do what they want with the message), but for neatness
> purposes on my end, I'd like to word wrap here.  Hopefully this makes
> sense.

> Is this possible?  I can only see either word wrapping everything or
> nothing.

If I understand what you are saying, you want to be able to format the
messages at your end so they look nice for you to view but then let your
recipient email client format the message how ever you want.

If that is the case sorry I don't think that The Bat! will do that because
one of it's principles is 'What you see is what you send' unlike other email
clients which change your emails when you press the send button.

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Re: Auto-responding

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Paul,

On Tue, 14 May 2002 19:29:05 -0400GMT (15-5-02, 1:29 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

JR>>  .Click on the actions tab
JR>>  .Scroll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'
JR>>  .Create an auto reply template

PC>  ok, there was already a default template ( right-click the folder I

PC> maybe I don't get the last line about creating an auto reply template.

The button that shows the template for the responder can also be used
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Re[2]: recover Bat! password

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello Scott,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 5:01:58 AM, you wrote:

SF> I ended up copying my old registry key from the old installation.

Now this sounds interesting, what key am i supposed to copy? I have
the Bat! on my laptop, would it help to copy from there?




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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Douglas!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 9:21:47 AM you wrote:

> IOW, the culprit is the BrainStorm's author.

Ahem, not necessarily. Although I haven't used BrainStorm, yet, I
understand that it uses a relatively recent, relatively opeb
implementation Of JavaScript called DOM. for various reasons - one of
them being the openness to create new commands - it isn't been
supported by Opera, yet. Another reason for the non-support is that
Opera (the company) decided to publish v 6.xx before they could finish
DOM support, which will be in the next major release (presumably 6.5,
before X-Mas; perhaps 7.0 around the end of year).


PS: Marck, is there a test version of BrainStorm?


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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

[Yuki Taga]

At the risk of being AOLish, I follow up to my own message:

Allie, I think this is definitely a firewall problem, no question
about it.  But why, and why not both accounts, I have absolutely no
explanation for.

But, the darnedest thing has apparently fixed it . . . for now. We'll
see if it stays fixed or comes back.

I went to the ruleset for the second account.  It specifies the
application thebat.exe.  Now, when you write these rulesets, there is
a browse button to help you find the app, and also that sets the
entire path line in the specified application box for the ruleset.

I happened to notice that the entire path was missing, and only
thebat.exe was there.  Rebrowsing to TB, and getting the full path in
there, has for the moment resolved the problem.

But I remain completely suspicious.  Here's why:

First, it wasn't a problem sometimes.  Second, the primary account
also is missing the entire path line (only 'thebat.exe' is there),
and the primary account has never been unable to connect.  So, you
tell me what is going on.  

Yuki

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 6:20:42 PM, Yuki wrote:

YT> Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote:

ACM>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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ACM>> Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
ACM>> ...
YT>>> For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
YT>>> the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
YT>>> one).

ACM>> ...

YT>>> Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.)

ACM>>  Erm first thing first. :-)

ACM>> Are you running a firewall?

YT> Sure.  But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass
YT> through, and still does.

YT> However,  you have apparently found the problem.  The reason I
YT> say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping
YT> beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch.  And
YT> turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep.

YT> This is not good.  The ruleset has never been altered.  And I never
YT> had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

YT> I just checked the ruleset.  It's fine, and unchanged.  I just moved
YT> the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule
YT> list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule.

YT> Still the bleeping beep.

YT> Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping
YT> beep.  I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of
YT> the time.  And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect,
YT> all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop
YT> for some period of time.  (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.)

YT> There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the
YT> firewall off.  It may be that turning it back on triggers this
YT> problem.

YT> But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
YT> along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
YT> before.

YT> Best,

YT> Yuki

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Re: TheBat! FAQ What I don't understand, and WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Dierk,

@15 May 2002, 11:06:53 +0200 (10:06 UK time) Dierk Haasis wrote in
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>> IOW, the culprit is the BrainStorm's author.

:-).

> Ahem, not necessarily.

Thank you.

> Although I haven't used BrainStorm, yet, I understand that it uses a
> relatively recent, relatively opeb implementation Of JavaScript
> called DOM. for various reasons - one of them being the openness to
> create new commands - it isn't been supported by Opera, yet.

Actually, Opera's DOM nearly does support it. There are other flaws in
Opera's JavaScript implementation that make it a show-stopper and
cripple the DOM code. The same flaws cripple the non-DOM code too.
(BrainStorm published models include 3 flavours of support - DOM,
"reload" and flat - Opera can only display the flat version but you
have to turn of all JavaScript support to get it to show by default).

> PS: Marck, is there a test version of BrainStorm?

www.brainstormsw.com - 30 day trial available from the download page.

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Re: recover Bat! password

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Krister,

On Wed, 15 May 2002 11:37:41 +0200GMT (15-5-02, 11:37 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

SF>> I ended up copying my old registry key from the old installation.
KE> Now this sounds interesting, what key am i supposed to copy?

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\SoftwareRegistrationId

KE> I have  the Bat! on my laptop, would it help to copy from there?

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

[Allie C Martin]

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
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YT> First, it wasn't a problem sometimes. Second, the primary account
YT> also is missing the entire path line (only 'thebat.exe' is there),
YT> and the primary account has never been unable to connect. So, you
YT> tell me what is going on. 

I have no idea. I hope you manage to resolve the issue.

The really good thing is that you've found the cause and can therefore
look into it.

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Won't Send under Windows XP

[Leviathan]

I'm testing out The Bat! on a machine that dual-boots Windows 98 SE and
Windows XP. It seems to work flawlessly under 98, but under XP, The Bat
won't talk to _any_ SMTP Servers, including Advanced Direct Remailer
running on the local host.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

[Allie C Martin]

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
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ACM>> Are you running a firewall?

YT> Sure. But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to
YT> pass through, and still does.

This is what makes these firewalls so darned sneaky. Especially ZA
which is what I thought you were running.

YT> However,  you have apparently found the problem. The reason
YT> I say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the
YT> bleeping beep, which had not been beeping all day until this
YT> fetch. And turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate
YT> beep.

Argh! The firewall strikes again. Firewalls have been the most common
cause of 'inexplicable' connectivity problems with TB! POP checking.
The really annoying thing is that the user takes some time to suspect
it since the firewall has been running nicely for so long without any
apparent problems . yet!

YT> This is not good. The ruleset has never been altered. And I never
YT> had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

Yes. The usual comment. :-)

Nothing directed at you specifically Yuki. You have all my sympathy; I
assure you.

...
YT> But, this is still a new TB issue. I've been running AtGuard all
YT> along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
YT> before.

Atguard. It's not known to cause problems. Then again, I had stopped
using NIS because of little unpredictable problems as well. ZA so
frazzled me that if I have ANY unexpected problems with connecting
with any application I first think of my firewall and check it first.

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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Leviathan,
On Wed, 15 May 2002 07:00:00 -0400, you wrote:

> I'm testing out The Bat! on a machine that dual-boots Windows 98 SE and
> Windows XP. It seems to work flawlessly under 98, but under XP, The Bat
> won't talk to _any_ SMTP Servers, including Advanced Direct Remailer
> running on the local host.

Are you running WinXP's built in firewall?  I've heard it has been known to
cause some problems.  It could be a default setting that allows *only* microsoft
products to connect (wouldn't shock many people).  Try opening outlook Express,
creating a dummy account, and sending an email see if it goes.  Other than
that, I'm lost.  I use WinXP Pro at work all the time without any hassles
sending or recieving emails.

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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Leviathan wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Can anybody point me in a positive direction?

Perhaps the Bat! can't resolve the mail server's address? Did you try
pointing it to 127.0.0.1 for your local Remailer?

Regards,

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Re: Word Wrapping

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 10:38 PM, you wrote:

ACM> This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC
ACM> 1855.

ACM> Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore
ACM> bad formatting. That's all. They just adhere to rule 10 here:

ACM> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html


I've been on the internet for over 15 years, never seen that list !
I just (re)looked in the welcome message for tbudl and didn't see a
link to this, but I would think it would be a good idea on ANY list to
read this. thanks, I'll try to keep this link handy!

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Re[2]: Auto-responding

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 23:49, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>  .Main Menu -> Account
>  .Scroll to  Sorting Office/Filters or 
>  .Click on incoming mail to create a filter for incoming mail
>  .Click on new to create a new filter
>  .Create your rule under the rule tab
>  .Click on the actions tab
>  .Scroll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'
>  .Create an auto reply template

I suppose you should mark Send generated messages -> Immediately under
the Options tab as well. Haven't tried the auto-reply action myself
but this option seems to make sence.

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Re: Auto-responding

[Paul Cartwright]

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 5:08 AM, you wrote:

RO> Hello Paul,

RO> On Tue, 14 May 2002 19:29:05 -0400GMT (15-5-02, 1:29 +0200GMT, where I
RO> live), you wrote:

JR>>>  .Click on the actions tab
JR>>>  .Scroll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'
JR>>>  .Create an auto reply template

PC>>  ok, there was already a default template ( right-click the folder I

PC>> maybe I don't get the last line about creating an auto reply template.

RO> The button that shows the template for the responder can also be used
RO> to alter that template.

Geez, THAT template. I was modifying the wrong template. I was
modifying the SEND MESSAGE FOR template. ALl I needed to do was click
the  SEND-AUTO-REPLY template ( duh, of course!). It was sort of
hidden, I didn't realize there was a template there, it doesn't show
up real BOLD on my screen.
thanks, I think that did it!


/ Paul
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Re: Using Attachments sent by Eudora

[Paul Cartwright]

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On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 6:20 PM, you wrote:

JA> On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, Dave Conroy wrote...

>> With best wishes,

JA> Your idea is best put across via text.  Unfortunately telepathy has
JA> it's draw backs over ethernet, fibre options, and other media.


now I have to clean up my keyboard and monitor, and they are BRAND
NEW!!!  I had a nice mouthful of coffee when I read your reply, it basically
MADE MY DAY, Thanks!!I love a better perspective, it keeps
everyone honest:)

thanks,


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Re: Auto-responding

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Paul.

At 7:11 PM on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Auto-responding]:

Paul> [...] 2.how do you put text in the auto-reply ?
Paul> confirmation template ? I didn't see a template for
Paul> auto-reply. [/...]

  Looks like you're on your way. Good luck & have fun w TB!

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Re: Auto-responding

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 8:10 AM, you wrote:

>>  .Main Menu -> Account
>>  .Scroll to  Sorting Office/Filters or 
>>  .Click on incoming mail to create a filter for incoming mail
>>  .Click on new to create a new filter
>>  .Create your rule under the rule tab
>>  .Click on the actions tab
>>  .Scroll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'
>>  .Create an auto reply template

MO> I suppose you should mark Send generated messages -> Immediately under
MO> the Options tab as well. Haven't tried the auto-reply action myself
MO> but this option seems to make sence.

and enable local delivery, it speeds up testing a bunch ;)
I was sending myself test messages from one account to the other.


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Re: Reregistering TB!

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Douglas.

At 10:31 PM on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Reregistering TB!]:


Douglas> [...] Due to a lack of disk space, I stopped
Douglas> downloading email from some accounts. When I
Douglas> finally did so, more than 8 thousand messages came
Douglas> in at once. (A lot of spam was eliminated before
Douglas> downloading and I haven't downloaded from some
Douglas> accounts yet. [/...]

  If you've go the time, why not scan/delete on the server -
  no download.

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Re: Using Attachments sent by Eudora

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Paul,
On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:14:30 -0400, you wrote:

> now I have to clean up my keyboard and monitor, and they are BRAND
> NEW!!!  I had a nice mouthful of coffee when I read your reply, it basically
> MADE MY DAY, Thanks!!I love a better perspective, it keeps
> everyone honest:)

hehe glad I could be of service ;)

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Re:

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello David.

At 6:10 PM on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about []:

David> [...] this last one I also sent to you off list did
David> they both arrive munged? [/...]

  Didn't rcv them but I'm glad you've solved the problem.

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How to delete message from server..

[jlaikan]

Hello TBUDL,

How to delete message from server (other than Yahoo!) without downloading them again? I
tried using Account/Properties/Mail Management/Leave messages on
server for 0 days. TB! downloaded all messages AGAIN before deleting
them. Is it possible to view messages from server & delete them
selectively?
  

  

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Re: Auto-responding

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Paul,
On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:49:41 -0400, you wrote:

> and enable local delivery, it speeds up testing a bunch ;)
> I was sending myself test messages from one account to the other.

There's an option to do that?  Cool... will hunt that down.  Will save me some
testing delays ;)  Although being plugged pretty much right into the mail server
(nice to be admin)

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Re: How to delete message from server..

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello jlaikan.

At 9:04 AM on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 you wrote the
following about [How to delete message from server..]:

jlaikan> Is it possible to view messages from server &
jlaikan> delete them selectively?

  I've done it by marking only those msgs I want deleted.
  Only the balance was downloaded.

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Re: setting keyboard shortcuts (was: setting messages display)

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Michael.

At 8:06 PM on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [setting keyboard shortcuts (was: setting messages
display)]:

Michael> [...] Today (day six of eval period) is my day to
Michael> reset most of the shortcuts. Does anyone who's done
Michael> a massive remapping of the shortcuts have any tips
Michael> on how to do it expeditiously? [/...]

  Getting the current shortcut list might be helpful for
  reference.

  http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

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Re: Auto-responding

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On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 8:58 AM, you wrote:

JA> Hi Paul,
JA> On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:49:41 -0400, you wrote:

>> and enable local delivery, it speeds up testing a bunch ;)
>> I was sending myself test messages from one account to the other.

JA> There's an option to do that?  Cool... will hunt that down.  Will save me some
JA> testing delays ;)  Although being plugged pretty much right into the mail server
JA> (nice to be admin)

 yup, and of course I can't FIND that option right now...

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Re[2]: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Leviathan]

Hi Jonathan,

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 7:30:03 AM, you wrote:

JA> Hi Leviathan,
JA> On Wed, 15 May 2002 07:00:00 -0400, you wrote:

>> I'm testing out The Bat! on a machine that dual-boots Windows 98 SE
and
>> Windows XP. It seems to work flawlessly under 98, but under XP, The
Bat
>> won't talk to _any_ SMTP Servers, including Advanced Direct Remailer
>> running on the local host.

JA> Are you running WinXP's built in firewall?  I've heard it has been
known to
JA> cause some problems.  It could be a default setting that allows
*only* microsoft
JA> products to connect (wouldn't shock many people).  Try opening
outlook Express,
JA> creating a dummy account, and sending an email see if it goes.

Well, Eudora Pro 3.0 and Netscape are sending mail with no problem, so
that seems to eliminate that.

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[MikeM]

On 5/15/02 at 9:48 AM David Elliott wrote:
|
|> I use this account for many lists, so the | won't change.  I
apologise
|> in advance to those who see the colour they do not expect.
|
|Are you saying that in Calypso you can not change the quote except on
a
|global level.
=

Calypso can change it on a per-account basis.  
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Re: Auto-responding

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@15 May 2002, 09:07:00 -0400 (14:07 UK time) Paul Cartwright wrote in
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>  yup, and of course I can't FIND that option right now...

Options | Network & Administration. Enjoy!

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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Leviathan]

Getting even weirder.

I have a secondary account set up on my "The Bat!" client.

I _can_ send from that.

The SMTP settings under the "Transport" property are identical.

Now, where are we?

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Re: Word Wrapping

[MikeM]

On 5/14/02 at 9:38 PM Allie C Martin wrote:

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|Mikem [M] wrote:
|...
|M> Yes it is possible. The email client I use for my mailing lists
|M> (Calypso) wraps locally without wrapping the outgoing message. I
|M> was chastised for this very faux pas earlier today. Oddly, this is
|M> the first mailing list that could not handle the messages. ;-(
|
|M> Go figure.
|
|If you wish for your message to be compatible with everyone's screen
|and for reading comfort, you should set your wrapping and not leave
|your text to window wrap which is what is happening to your text on my
|screen.

Why not let the receiver decide what is appropriate for his or her screen, and do the 
wrapping on the receiving end accordingly.  Why should I (or you) presume to know what 
is the best manner of display for the recipient of my email?  Sometimes I like my 
screen to wrap narrowly (~40 characters or so) to work with other items on my screen.  
Yet messages that are wrapped at 65 or 72 characters look rather poor (hard-to-read) 
when displayed like that.  Unwrapped messages look fine.



|This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC
|1855.

That RFC says wrapping in email should be at column 65. 

   "Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters 
and end a line with a carriage return"

I see very few, if any, who do that here.



|Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore
|bad formatting.

Or perhaps they have email clients that are more capable.  It may be 
an error to presume that the problems you are having are experienced 
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ms exchange server + thebat

[smexport]

Title: ms exchange server + thebat





Hi guys,


Can anybody help me with the configuring the bat under MS Exchange server



best regards,
max

Re[2]: Auto-responding

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 15:07, Paul Cartwright wrote:

>>> and enable local delivery, it speeds up testing a bunch ;) I was
>>> sending myself test messages from one account to the other.

>  yup, and of course I can't FIND that option right now...

Options -> Network and Administration... -> Network.

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Re: How to delete message from server..

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@15 May 2002, 17:04:36 +0400 (14:04 UK time) jlaikan wrote in
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> Is it possible to view messages from server & delete them
> selectively?

Use "Account | Dispatch mail on server". It will download the headers
again, but not the bodies.

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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Leviathan wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Getting even weirder.

> I have a secondary account set up on my "The Bat!" client.

> I _can_ send from that.

> The SMTP settings under the "Transport" property are identical.

> Now, where are we?

What does the Bat's log tell you? Did you perhaps accidentally activate
SMTP authentication?

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Re: ms exchange server + thebat

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

smexport wrote in msgid:4A5DCF05395CD611A527E222F14A2B9540@DOLLAR :

> Can anybody help me with the configuring the bat under MS Exchange server

There's nothing special to be done on the client's side. Yet, Exchange
must be offering POP3 (alternatively IMAP4) and SMTP access.

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Re: recover Bat! password

[Gerard]

Hi Scott,

ON Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 5:01:58 AM, you wrote:

G>> If your pw was anything like mine, the company I bought TB from used my
G>> postal areacode. Maybe they used something similar with your purchase?

SF> This didn't work. Canadian postal codes use letters and numbers,
SF> perhaps that is why.

So are the Dutch postalcodes.

SF> I ended up copying my old registry key from the old installation.
SF> Thanks for the idea.

Good to hear you found a way, the problem is that it is probaly not
human readable is it?
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Re[2]: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 5:30:03 AM:

JA> Are you running WinXP's built in firewall? 

XP firewall has only inbound protectionno outbound. So I do not
think that would be the place to spend much time looking.

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Re: Different versions

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Adam wrote...

> If alternate versions of TB are run with the same mailbase, is that Ok?
> No concern or conflict in doing that?

Based  on  the  way the mail is stored... not that I can see. It's all
plain  text. Each message is just tacked onto the end of the 'mailbox'
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Re[2]: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 8:16:31 AM:

JA> The  way Microsoft make things? LOL... would be one of my first places
JA> to start looking :)


Well that's a story all by itself!!!  LOL!!

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Re: Word Wrapping

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello MikeM!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 3:34:16 PM you wrote:

> Why not let the receiver decide what is appropriate for his or her screen, and do 
>the wrapping on the receiving end accordingly.  Why should I (or you) presume to know 
>what is the best manner of
> display for the recipient of my email?  Sometimes I like my screen to wrap narrowly 
>(~40 characters or so) to work with other items on my screen.  Yet messages that are 
>wrapped at 65 or 72
> characters look rather poor (hard-to-read) when displayed like that.  Unwrapped 
>messages look fine.

Because it isn't actually the receiving end that is "deciding". E-mail
is sent with hard returns at the end of a line. Only thing is, OE/OL
and some other clients don't show them *before* sending. TB! does
because it uses a true WYSIWYG editor.

Every client I know has a wrap setting.

> I see very few, if any, who do that here.

What kind of argument is that? Reminds me of the "new" German way to
establish what is ethical and what not - give the problem in question
to a committee and they should vote on it. After that it goes into
parliament, where again a vote is cast. In the end it is a more or
less capable majority defining what is right or wrong. Stupid ...

> Or perhaps they have email clients that are more capable.  It may be 
> an error to presume that the problems you are having are experienced 
> by users of other email clients.

Whatever, isn't it easier to conform to such modest requests? As we
have all seen the "more capable" clients' messages, we might conclude
that they are *not* more capable.

BTW, TB! wraps so good that one doesn't even need the special setting
in PGP, which was introduced because of the "more capable" apps.



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Îòâåò: ms exchange server + thebat

[smexport]

Title: Îòâåò: ms exchange server + thebat





I can't find in outlook 97 where the parameters under MS Exchange Server
where this parameters can be found and used in the bat



Hi,


smexport wrote in msgid:4A5DCF05395CD611A527E222F14A2B9540@DOLLAR :


> Can anybody help me with the configuring the bat under MS Exchange server


There's nothing special to be done on the client's side. Yet, Exchange
must be offering POP3 (alternatively IMAP4) and SMTP access.


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Different versions

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If alternate versions of TB are run with the same mailbase, is that Ok?
No concern or conflict in doing that?






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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Pete Milne wrote...



> Replying to your message of Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 5:30:03 AM:

JA>> Are you running WinXP's built in firewall? 

> XP firewall has only inbound protectionno outbound. So I do not
> think that would be the place to spend much time looking.

The  way Microsoft make things? LOL... would be one of my first places
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Re[2]: Attachments

[Spike]

Hello Tim Musson,

Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 5:58:58 PM, in a galaxy far, far away, Tim wrote:

Tim Musson> Hey Adam,

Tim Musson> My MUA believes you used (X-Mailer not set)
Tim Musson> to write the following on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 at 12:07:53 PM.


A>> How do you select many attachments to save?


Tim Musson> If you right click an attachment, you can choose to save all, then I
Tim Musson> think there is an option of saving some or all.

Since V1.6x, you can tag only the attachments you want
(CTL-Click) or tag the first one, and Shift-Click the last one
and it will select only the ones desired!  The right click the
tagged files and select save x attachments!

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Re: Different versions

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@15 May 2002, 11:49:19 -0400 (16:49 UK time) Adam wrote in
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> If alternate versions of TB are run with the same mailbase, is that
> Ok? No concern or conflict in doing that?

The mailbase format is essentially unchanged since v1.42. Of course,
the encrypted mailbases of The Bat Pro and SecureBat! can't be used
with The Bat!, but other than that there should be no problem.

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Re[2]: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Jonathan Andrew Sheen]

Hi Markus,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 10:04:07 AM, you wrote:

MG> Hi,

MG> Leviathan wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> Getting even weirder.

>> I have a secondary account set up on my "The Bat!" client.

>> I _can_ send from that.

>> The SMTP settings under the "Transport" property are identical.

>> Now, where are we?

MG> What does the Bat's log tell you?

Only that the message didn't send.

MG> Did you perhaps accidentally activate SMTP authentication?

No, I checked for that. The accounts settings are identical to those
of the account that works.

More fun. I re-named the non-working account, created a new version --
which came fully populated with folders and filters as soon as I named
it -- and deleted the original troublemaker.

The new account does the same thing.

It also doesn't seem to know how many messages it has queued, as the
activity-monitor thingie shows it's attempting to send "1/?" -- and no,
it isn't the individual message because I've been deleting
unsuccessful messages and creating new test messages to check that --
and hangs there, counting off the duration of the attempt for as long
as I'll let it, without ever making friends with the SMTP Server.

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

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On 15 May 2002 at 09:19:33 -0400 (which was 14:19 where I live) MikeM
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>> I use this account for many lists, so the | won't change. I apologise in
>> advance to those who see the colour they do not expect.

> Are you saying that in Calypso you can not change the quote except on a
> global level.

> Calypso can change it on a per-account basis.
> However I use one account for all my lists.

Oh so it not very flexible then. :)

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Re[2]: Turn off the bleeping beep

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Hello Yuki Taga,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 4:20:42 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, Yuki wrote:

Yuki Taga> But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
Yuki Taga> along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
Yuki Taga> before.

Most firewalls are VERSION specific in their rules.  Have you
updated the VERSION of TB! that is referred to in the rules of
your firewall?  This is particularly an issue with ZA, as I well
know! ;-)

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

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On 5/15/02 at 3:49 PM David Elliott wrote:

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|On 15 May 2002 at 09:19:33 -0400 (which was 14:19 where I live) MikeM
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|
|>> I use this account for many lists, so the | won't change. I apologise in
|>> advance to those who see the colour they do not expect.
|
|> Are you saying that in Calypso you can not change the quote except on a
|> global level.
|
|> Calypso can change it on a per-account basis.
|> However I use one account for all my lists.
|
|Oh so it not very flexible then. :)
=

In that specific area, I agree.   

No email client has all the features everyone wants or needs.  Picking an email client 
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Re: Different versions

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Marck,
 
15. maj 2002, 16:51:31, you wrote:

MDP> The mailbase format is essentially unchanged since v1.42. Of course,
MDP> the encrypted mailbases of The Bat Pro and SecureBat! can't be used
MDP> with The Bat!, but other than that there should be no problem.

What is The Bat Pro? I've heard of AuthenticBat, StrongBat, but never
of The Bat Pro...

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Re[2]: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Spike]

Hello David Elliott,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 2:04:01 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, David wrote:

David Elliott> I recently started to do some work for an ISP,
David Elliott> they gave me a brand new email address. I then
David Elliott> started to get SPAM that had been sent before the
David Elliott> address was active. The address had not been
David Elliott> published or used. The only way this could happen
David Elliott> was some one use the domain name and add in names
David Elliott> to that domain.

David Elliott> Don't blame The Bat! for spam.

Spammers have a trick they now use, which works if they know the
"name" of the default mail server of the ISP.  They can send a
message to "whatever"@"mailservername" and EVERYONE on the
mailserver gets a message!  The "whatever" can actually be
anything they wish to type! This really sucks, but I don't know
what can be done about it.


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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Spike wrote...

> Spammers have a trick they now use, which works if they know the
> "name" of the default mail server of the ISP.  They can send a
> message to "whatever"@"mailservername" and EVERYONE on the
> mailserver gets a message!  The "whatever" can actually be
> anything they wish to type! This really sucks, but I don't know
> what can be done about it.

A  common one is "Undisclosed.Recipients@". I get about 7
of  those  a day. I'm guessing depending on the mail server if you set
it to reject anything sent directly to the server name, it should drop
those  mails.  After  all...  why would legitimate contacts be sending
email  to  your  server name, instead of your domain name? I'd have to
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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> No, I checked for that. The accounts settings are identical to those
> of the account that works.

Well, if that's really the case I'm at my wits' end.

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Re: ms exchange server + theba t

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

smexport wrote in msgid:4A5DCF05395CD611A527E222F14A2B9541@DOLLAR :

> I can't find in outlook 97 where the parameters under MS Exchange Server 
> where this parameters can be found and used in the bat 

You'll find the necessary settings in the Bat! under
Account/Properties/Transport. You need to know the following

- the Internet name of your mail server
- your user ID
- your passwords

I'm not sure where you might find the proper values in Outlook, probably
somewhere under Tools/Accounts/Properties. Sorry if I can't help you any
further.

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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Spike wrote...

> The "undisclosed.recipients" usually indicates a the message came
> from a list of BCC's. This is still indicative of spammer
> behavior however!

I   know...   that   is   just   a   common   one...   others  include
"house.owners"... "company.executives"... "loan.guides"... things like
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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 3:57:19 PM, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

> A  common one is "Undisclosed.Recipients@". I get about 7
> of  those  a day. I'm guessing depending on the mail server if you set
> it to reject anything sent directly to the server name, it should drop
> those  mails.  After  all...  why would legitimate contacts be sending
> email  to  your  server name, instead of your domain name?

I have a Selective Download filter that kills all messages addressed
to the server name (the filter is '@'), and this gets rid
of a lot of spam.



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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

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Hail MikeM

On 15 May 2002 at 11:09:55 -0400 (which was 16:09 where I live) MikeM
wrote and made these points

> No email client has all the features everyone wants or needs. Picking an
> email client is a series of compromises according to the priorities of the
> situation.

What do you feel are the good points of Calypso over The Bat!

I would be more that happy to take this to the TBOT list.


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Re: Different versions

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@15 May 2002, 16:57:48 +0200 (15:57 UK time) Jernej Simončič wrote in
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MDP>> The mailbase format is essentially unchanged since v1.42. Of
MDP>> course, the encrypted mailbases of The Bat Pro and SecureBat!
MDP>> can't be used with The Bat!, but other than that there should be
MDP>> no problem.

> What is The Bat Pro? I've heard of AuthenticBat, StrongBat, but never
> of The Bat Pro...

SecureBat! using a different token than the iKey AIUI.

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Re[2]: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Spike]

Hello Jonathan Angliss,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:57:19 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, Jonathan wrote:

Jonathan Angliss> A  common one is "Undisclosed.Recipients@". I get about 
7
Jonathan Angliss> of  those  a day. I'm guessing depending on the mail server if you 
set
Jonathan Angliss> it to reject anything sent directly to the server name, it should 
drop
Jonathan Angliss> those  mails.  After  all...  why would legitimate contacts be 
sending
Jonathan Angliss> email  to  your  server name, instead of your domain name? I'd have 
to
Jonathan Angliss> experiment with that one on my test network.

The "undisclosed.recipients" usually indicates a the message came
from a list of BCC's. This is still indicative of spammer
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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Jonathan Angliss wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> The "undisclosed.recipients" usually indicates a the message came
>> from a list of BCC's. This is still indicative of spammer
>> behavior however!

> I   know...   that   is   just   a   common   one...   others  include
> "house.owners"... "company.executives"... "loan.guides"... things like
> that.

Not really. "undisclosed.recipients" is inserted by some mail servers when
the To header had been left empty. Yes, this is possible.

When talking directly to a mail server (aka MTA, mail transport agent) a
sending server or application (aka MUA, mail user agent) submits a
message's recipients separately from what we normal users see in the To or
CC headers. This is part of what is commonly referred to as a message
envelope. This is used for example when somebody sends a message to
somebody via the BCC header. So if now the receiving server relays the
message it puts in a To line (if there wasn't one before) with
"undisclosed.recipients".

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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Spike,

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 4:51:58 PM you wrote in
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S> Spammers have a trick they now use, which works if they know the
S> "name" of the default mail server of the ISP.  They can send a
S> message to "whatever"@"mailservername" and EVERYONE on the
S> mailserver gets a message!

Absolutely WRONG!
Unless the MTA does not offer a 'global distributor list' is simply _IS
NOT_ possible to send an e-mail to all users by only sending it to the
server directly instead of one domain this server handles the mail for.
The domain part of recipient address(es) a mail is sent to only affects
what configuration a mail server uses to handle the mail. In other words:
it decides if the mail has to be treaded as 'local' or 'remote' on basis of
the domain part (everything after '@', no matter is 'domain only' or 'full
qualified domain name' of the server) and where to look if this is a valid
address.
There's no way to tell an MTA _in general_ to deliver mail to _all_ known
local recipients.

S> The "whatever" can actually be anything they wish to type!

So I'd only need to send a mail to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and _every_ user on this system would get it? Stupid!
In best case it will only delivered to you, but it might even be possible
not even this will happen but the mail bounces if e.g. 'candw.ky' is
configured on this server and delivery instructions exist, but
'perkey.candw.ky' is setup to be local but _non deliverable_ ...

This is a very complex issue, but to all 'non-techies' out there:
unless you're ISP / mail hoster does NOT setup a 'catch all' or 'global
distribution account' there's no chance you will get all spam 'just
because' ... Even if you're not mentioned in 'To:' and 'CC:' the mail has
to be _directed_ to your address for you getting it.
This is possible, because e-mail is delivered using an 'envelope' which is
_completely_ independent from informations visible in mail header!
This envelope is dropped with final delivery, that's why you can't see it,
but it's present and used all the transport way ... And somewhere in this
header your address appears or you woun't get the message. Period.

To the 'The Bat! is phoning home and causing UCE' problem: TB! is _not_
phoning home (have tested this with network capture!) and it seems you
(ztrader) in fact only got the 'welcome' message, hardcoded into the program.

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[MikeM]

On 5/15/02 at 4:35 PM David Elliott wrote:

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|On 15 May 2002 at 11:09:55 -0400 (which was 16:09 where I live) MikeM
|wrote and made these points
|
|> No email client has all the features everyone wants or needs. Picking an
|> email client is a series of compromises according to the priorities of
|the
|> situation.
|
|What do you feel are the good points of Calypso over The Bat!
=

Only one advantage that I see -- Calypso keeps all the messages and settings in a 
single file.  I need that for my mailing list usage.  Another thing I like about 
Calypso (though more minor) is that the message store is encrypted (albeit, not too 
strongly).  I haven't taken the time yet to see if TB! has a similar feature.

Other than that, they are rather similar in most resects that matter to me; with the 
significant exception that TB! is a living growing product.  Calypso has been orphaned.

Having said that, I'll be moving my email usage from Outlook '97 and Calypso to TB! 
over the next few weeks (except for this mailing list account, which has to stay in 
Calypso due to the single file thing).

I do like what I've seen in TB! during my eval period.  And I hope to discover more 
"good stuff" as I explore.


(somewhat on-topic, so I didn't move to the OT list)




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Re: Won't Send under Windows XP

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Jonathan,

On Wed, 15 May 2002 11:02:37 -0400GMT (15-5-02, 17:02 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

>>> I _can_ send from that.
>>> The SMTP settings under the "Transport" property are identical.

JAS> It also doesn't seem to know how many messages it has queued, as the
JAS> activity-monitor thingie shows it's attempting to send "1/?" -- and no,

That might indicate that TB can't read your outbox properly. Exit TB,
delete the messages.tbi (file) in the outbox directory. Start TB and
try again.

I don't promise that it works, but my advice is free. ;-)
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Re: Îòâåò: ms exchange server + theba t

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello smexport!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 4:14:10 PM you wrote:

> I can't find in outlook 97 where the parameters under MS Exchange Server
> where this parameters can be found and used in the bat

Please do something about your OE sending out HTML.



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Dual monitor and TB position

[Jon Lawrance]

I have a dual monitor setup and TB always ends up on the wrong screen!
Is there any way to correct this?

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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Mrten]

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Om 16:57 op woensdag 15 mei 2002, Jonathan Angliss:

> On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, Spike wrote...

>> Spammers have a trick they now use, which works if they know the
>> "name" of the default mail server of the ISP.  They can send a
>> message to "whatever"@"mailservername" and EVERYONE on the
>> mailserver gets a message!  The "whatever" can actually be
>> anything they wish to type! This really sucks, but I don't know
>> what can be done about it.

this is not true. examine the headers from such messages and search for
your emailadress. you'll find it. it's just not in the To: header.

> A common one is "Undisclosed.Recipients@". I get about 7 of
> those a day. I'm guessing depending on the mail server if you set it to
> reject anything sent directly to the server name, it should drop those
> mails. After all... why would legitimate contacts be sending email to
> your server name, instead of your domain name? I'd have to experiment
> with that one on my test network.

'undisclosed.recepients' is what you get with some mailers when you only
bcc people. no worries there. on properly configured mailservers, mail to
random@mailserver is bounced. no question about that.

on an upnote; ask your ISP to implement the ORDB blacklist in the
mailsystem (http://www.ordb.org/). mine has, and the amount of spam has
drastically reduced.

Mrten.

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[Roelof Otten]

Hello MikeM,

On Wed, 15 May 2002 12:16:29 -0400GMT (15-5-02, 18:16 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

M> Only one advantage that I see -- Calypso keeps all the messages and
M> settings in a single file. I need that for my mailing list usage.

I can't find any reason for myself why it would be necessary to keep
those in one file. I'd consider it a bit of a nuisance to keep all
messages from all lists in one file. Would you care to explain?

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Re: Îòâåò: ms exchange server + theba t

[Gerd Ewald]

Hello Dierk Haasis !

  
On Wed, 15 May 2002 18:31:15 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 15.05.2002, 18:31 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:


>> I can't find in outlook 97 where the parameters under MS Exchange Server
>> where this parameters can be found and used in the bat

> Please do something about your OE sending out HTML.

Looks like MS Exchange or Outlook Exchange :-/



@smexport

IIRC there is an option in the properties of every address to NOT send
RTF-formatted mail. This is what should avoid HTML-mails


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Re: TB "phones home", sends spam?

[Geoff Lane]

On 15 May 2002, 17:11, Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> There's no way to tell an MTA _in general_ to deliver mail to _all_ known
> local recipients.
~~~

In certain circumstances, this is possible -- but it requires the
(probably unknowing) co-operation of the postmaster.

For example, my MTA has a default group called "everyone" that
"contains" every mail account on the server. This is typically used to
broadcast admin messages. With default configuration, any mail
addressed to "everyone@..." will be delivered to every user with an
account on my mail server.

FWIW, I've restricted the "everyone" address and any messages from
outside my LAN that are addressed to "everyone@..." end up as an
exception report in the postmaster's mailbox. However, any messages to
"everyone@..." from inside my LAN are broadcast as the software
vendors intend.

HTH,

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Strange filter in Sorting Office/Filters

[bemos]

Hello tbudl,

  i have one strange filter in sorting office / filters, it called
  "" i can't delete that, is this something to do with the klez
  virus ?

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Message Dispatcher Sorting

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi,

I'm  just  playing  with  message  dispatcher.  I have to keep my home
computer,  and  work  computer with the same emails on, so I have both
clients  (one is TB! the other is Sylpheed for linux) set to leave the
mail  on  the  server.  That all works fine. What I do when I get into
work,  is  delete  all  messages prior to the time I shut down my home
email  (normally  8am ish). So I open the Message dispatcher, and sort
by  time. This is where things go wrong. It half manages to sort dates
out,  and only appears to display the date if the email is over 2 days
old (this is the first issue that'll appear when sorting). The next is
the  sorting  on  time. It randomly picks it's sorting. Right now if I
review  the  mail on the server, and sort by time... I'll go something
like 12:01 (of today), a handful around that time... all the way up to
23:00  hrs  (if  you've  not  noticed... being only midday where I am,
23:00 hrs has yet to happen... so that is yesterdays mail appearing in
the  middle  of the todays sort)... then the next message is 08:01 (of
today), all the way up to 12:00.

Clearly this sort is not right. Anybody else see this, or get anything
like  it?  Also while on this subject... is there a way I can create a
filter  in  TB!  that  will delete (on collection) any mail that has a
date/timestamp of before 8am of the current day?

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 19:14, Douglas Hinds wrote:

M>> Another thing I like about Calypso (though more minor) is that the
M>> message store is encrypted (albeit, not too strongly). I haven't
M>> taken the time yet to see if TB! has a similar feature.

> I don't encrypt but many here do.

No they don't since TB! does not offer encryption of the message bases
(Secure Bat does, but that is a different product). Some use external
software for encrypting the message bases but that was not what MikeM
asked about.

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Re: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[Dave Gorman]

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 11:16:29 AM, MikeM wrote:

> Only one advantage that I see -- Calypso keeps all the messages
> and settings in a single file. I need that for my mailing list
> usage.

Why is this important?   ...Not being argumentative, just
curious.

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Re[2]: OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello MikeM,

In reply to what you wrote on Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 11:16:29 AM:

M> |What do you feel are the good points of Calypso over The Bat!

I am a registered Calypso owner and also a Calypso refugee.

M> Only one advantage that I see -- Calypso keeps all the messages and
M> settings in a single file. I need that for my mailing list usage.

With TB! you can either filter all mail to a single directory or use
the ticker and open a virtual window from it that gives you all that's
on it, together. (Allie does this).

Calypso (v.3) had no multilingual dictionaries (plus it's English
version was really bad) and couldn't download from multiple accounts
simultaneously.

M> Another thing I like about Calypso (though more minor) is that the
M> message store is encrypted (albeit, not too strongly).

Calypso crashed on me after doing a minor upgrade and wouldn't open or
reinstall after that, so I had NO access to 55 mb of my email. Worst
of all, MCS Dallas' Tech Support was worse than useless - they proved
to be totally incapable, irresponsible and in fact insulting. I got
much more help from fellow TBUDL members recuperating my mail from
that file and Stefan himself has resolved a few TB! issues when
needed. TB! is a stronger product and the developers are real people,
who will deal and level with you. TBUDL and the other TB! lists are
also valuable (if occasionally imperfect) assets.

MCS Dallas has now dropped Calypso (they sell a contact manager suite
w/ that name though), while TB! has come out with upgrade after
upgrade, free of charge (except for the even more "Secure Bat").

In short, Calypso had a pretty appearance but was technologically weak
and MCS Dallas can **! as far as I'm concerned.

M> I haven't taken the time yet to see if TB! has a similar feature.

I don't encrypt but many here do.

M> ... TB! is a living growing product. Calypso has been orphaned.

M> Having said that, I'll be moving my email usage from Outlook '97
M> and Calypso to TB! over the next few weeks (except for this mailing
M> list account, which has to stay in Calypso due to the single file
M> thing).

You won't be sorry for having switched.

M> I do like what I've seen in TB! during my eval period. And I hope
M> to discover more "good stuff" as I explore.

Douglas Hinds
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Re: Strange filter in Sorting Office/Filters

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, bemos wrote...

> Hello tbudl,

>   i have one strange filter in sorting office / filters, it called
>   "" i can't delete that, is this something to do with the klez
>   virus ?

Not  at  all...  this  filter is supposed to be there. It is a default
filter  created  by TB! developers so that you can just put in a tick,
and it automatically filters anybody from your address book into "inbox
- known instead".

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Re: Strange filter in Sorting Office/Filters

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi bemos,

@15 May 2002, 01:33:50 +0800 (18:33 UK time) bemos wrote in
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>   i have one strange filter in sorting office / filters, it called
>   "" i can't delete that, is this something to do with the
>   klez virus ?

No. It's a new addition to the Sorting office to allow you to do a
quick filter for "anyone in your address book" - an anti-spam device.
Just disable the filter if you don't want to use it.

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OT Calypso (Was Re: 1.60k)

[Schmuel]

Hi TheBat!,

Douglas
 > (Anyone want a Calypso license)?

Schmuel (newbie to the forum) .. greetings...

I'll trade ya the Brooklyn Bridge..

Calypso has been defunct for a month or two, for awhile they gave
out the last version free, then they stopped  ...

Isbister, creator of Time & Chaos PIM, which Calypso integrated with well,
  recently put out their own product, Express Mail I think ...

Calypso had some excellent pluses that I haven't seen replicated ..
(been using Eudora, but interested in TheBat! )
Two pluses come to mind...

a) multiple searches could be saved.. (in a logical mailbox)
b) creating logical address books was a pure, quick drag and drop method...

I stopped using Calypso because of the "rebuild everything on startup if it 
there is a crash"
and at the time I had Windows 98, and large email boxes ...



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The ">" Character

[Mike Dillinger]

Folks,

I've noticed that The Bat! will format an entire line as if it was a
reply if it finds the greater than character ">".

This is tough on me because I am on HTML and PERL mailing
lists, and as you may know, that character is used extensively in
both languages.

Is there any way I can force The Bat! to just look at the first couple
of characters in a line to determine whether it's a reply or code?

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Re: Strange filter in Sorting Office/Filters

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello bemos!

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 7:33:50 PM you wrote:

>   i have one strange filter in sorting office / filters, it called
>   "" i can't delete that, is this something to do with the klez
>   virus ?

No, it's not. It's a feature. If you don't want it, go into your
Sorting Office and de-activate the -filter. After that you can
delete the folder of the same name.




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Re[2]: ms exchange server + theba t

[Mark Wieder]

Bats-

The exchange settings are:
POP server: same as the Exchange server
user id: \\

As in:
MYDOMAIN\myNTlogin\[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The exchange alias is found by locating yourself in the Exchange (or
Outlook) Address Book, choosing properties and finding the
"Alias" field in the "General" tab.

Also note that I believe the Exchange server must have its pop setting
enabled for this to work. Knowing MS, it's probably disabled by
default.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 8:37:44 AM, you wrote:

MG> Hi,

MG> smexport wrote in msgid:4A5DCF05395CD611A527E222F14A2B9541@DOLLAR :

>> I can't find in outlook 97 where the parameters under MS Exchange Server 
>> where this parameters can be found and used in the bat 

MG> You'll find the necessary settings in the Bat! under
MG> Account/Properties/Transport. You need to know the following

MG> - the Internet name of your mail server
MG> - your user ID
MG> - your passwords

MG> I'm not sure where you might find the proper values in Outlook, probably
MG> somewhere under Tools/Accounts/Properties. Sorry if I can't help you any
MG> further.

MG> Regards,

MG> Markus



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Re: The ">" Character

[Geoff Lane]

On 15 May 2002, 19:24, Mike Dillinger wrote:

> Is there any way I can force The Bat! to just look at the first couple
> of characters in a line to determine whether it's a reply or code?
~~~

>From the menu, choose Options, Editor Preferences, then set the
required number of characters in Quote Name Limit.

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Re: The ">" Character

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 20:24, Mike Dillinger wrote:

> Is there any way I can force The Bat! to just look at the first
> couple of characters in a line to determine whether it's a reply or
> code?

Have a look at Options -> Editor Preferences... -> General -> Quote
Name Limit.

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