Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Gerard]

ON Friday, June 14, 2002, 1:19:25 AM, you wrote:

ACM> I had this problem for a while and finally traced it to a couple of my
ACM> filters that were set to delete incoming matches. When I changed this
ACM> to moving the message to trash, it stopped. I had taken part in the
ACM> thread that Januk is mentioning. The other possibility was a problem
ACM> with server connections that in one persons case was firewall related.
ACM> Disabling the firewall cured the problem. I don't remember what the
ACM> permanent solution was.

I just received a msg from RitLabs with the changes between 1.53 and
1.60. I noticed the following:
,--- [  ]---
| [*] PC Speaker is used for beeping when moving to unread messages
| across folders (hmm, is it a good idea? :-)
`-
,--- [  ]---
| [-] An option to use the PC speaker or a sound card as beeper for
| moving between folders.
`-

I think the second has to potential to start creating the problems
mentioned here. Now if I just could find were this options is.
Does anybody know?

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Re[2]: "Watch" thread?

[Ben Kennish]

Hi Peter,

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 1:25:49 AM, you wrote:
PK> No, there is not. But if many of us ask for, maybe it will be added to
PK> Version  2.0  Lets start a campaign to add next to the flag. (I used a
PK> lot in Agent)

OK campaign started.  Anyone who wants a "watch" thread feature in
TB!, reply with "Aye"!

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Re: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Marck D Pearlstone wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Still, this is going way OT and I must insist that any replies on this
> side theme shift to TBOT or off-list from here.

Ok, I'll take it there.

I thank all participants in this thread for their remarks. I'm afraid I
have to deal with our IT 'administrators'. Those were the same people that
brought you 'Why should an MX entry be important?' and 'Why shouldn't we
have two different IPs (one of them private) for the same mail server on a
public DNS?' and, finally 'What's a DNS for, anyway?'.

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Re: "Watch" thread?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ben,

> Oh and are there any plans for TB to support Usenet in the future as
> Id love to use it for that too.

Look in the archives for:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Re[2]: "Watch" thread?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:57:35 +0100 Ben Kennish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> OK campaign started.  Anyone who wants a "watch" thread feature in
> TB!, reply with "Aye"!

Aye! :-) 


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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Gerard]

ON Friday, June 14, 2002, 10:02:38 AM, you wrote:

JBL> On Friday, June 14, 2002, 8:49:07 AM, Gerard wrote:

>> I think the second has to potential to start creating the problems
>> mentioned here. Now if I just could find were this options is.
>> Does anybody know?

JBL> Options|Preferences|Message List tab.  It is the second drop down box,
JBL> and one of the options related to sound, which enables the tickbox
JBL> below.

Hi Julian,
 I believed that to be the tick box for the first one I mentioned.
 I am looking for the second one which must be a separate option because
 it gets a separate mention.

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Re: "Watch" thread?

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 8:57:35 AM, Ben Kennish wrote:

> OK campaign started.  Anyone who wants a "watch" thread feature in
> TB!, reply with "Aye"!

What would a "watch" thread feature do?  I used to use the Watch
Thread feature in Agent (when I had time to look at newsgroups), but
this was in relation to automatically downloading messages of threads
I was interested in, rather than just the headers.  In the case of TB,
I download all the messages anyway.

If we are talking about some additional functionality to the existing
filters (perhaps the ability to apply colour groups to threads via the
existing Shft-Ctrl-F Create Filter dialogue) then I would find it
useful.

Julian

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Re: "Watch" thread?

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ben,

> Anyone who wants a "watch" thread feature in TB!, reply with "Aye"!

I'd rather have first an "Ignore" feature (just the opposite to
Watch). It think it would have more sense for e-mail in general and
particularly for mail lists. As Julian says, Watch may have more sense
for Usenet newsgroups, where many only download headers and select to
Watch (full download) some threads.

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The Register - "First JPEG virus not a threat"

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello tbudl,

Following the discussion earlier this week about whether .jpg files
could carry a viral payload, the following article has appeared!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/25718.html

:-0

Julian

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Re: BatPost

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 07:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ah! The instructions are in another language. Can anyone tell me
> how to set this thing up, or if there are English instructions? It
> looks like it needs a domain entered. Does that mean my IP? Help!

Another interesting thing would be the registration fee. When starting
Batpost it tells me I have 26 days left of 30, but not a word about what
happens after this period or how I register.

Maybe the info is to be found somewhere in the non-english
documentation...

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What about a Windows XP Interface?

[Giampaolo Bellavite]

Hello list,

what do you think about an interface integrated with WindowsXP?

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Re: What about a Windows XP Interface?

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Giampaolo,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:20:57 +0200, you wrote:

> what do you think about an interface integrated with WindowsXP?

How would you mean?  I use TB! on WinXP all the time, windows look very 'normal'
(when I say normal, I mean WinXP standard bubbly interface).

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Re: The Register - "First JPEG virus not a threat"

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Julian,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:02:39 +0100, you wrote:

> Hello tbudl,
> 
> Following the discussion earlier this week about whether .jpg files
> could carry a viral payload, the following article has appeared!
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/56/25718.html

Interesting... now I'm going to have to track down Sub7 again, just to try it
out.  Using Sub7 as an example, technically it doesn't 'infect' the jpg file, it
puts an executable wrapper around the file, leaving the extension as is... when
windows goes to open the file using your default image viewer, the wrapper
forces windows to run a shellexecute, then run the infected code.  I cannot
remember if it then opens the original image or not... So technically we could
both be right... .jpg's as themselves cannot be executed, but .jpg files can be
infected, and a wrapper placed around them ;)  I'm always willing to stand
corrected though :)

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Re-send -NOD32 plug in bad image error

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  I've now installed the NOD32 prog, updated it & tried to
  install the plug-in which I downloaded. TB! doesn't allow
  me to add the plug-in -- error: bad image, cannot install
  plug-in. Any suggestions?

  TIA

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search dialogue

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  In browsing today's msgs, a lister quoted a msg in the
  archive & provided the link by id#.

  Accidentally I clicked on the link & up popped a dialogue
  which allowed me to select any/all of the folders in my
  mailbox. Very handy except I couldn't find a way to tell
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  H.

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Re[2]: TB Is Crawling

[Michael T. Ashby]

I tried compressing all mailboxes to see if that would help, but I'm
afraid that it does not. :(

Any other suggestions? At this point, I'm going to have to move them
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MDP> Are these outbox folders configured to "Compress on exit"? I'll bet
MDP> they are uncompressed and occupy many megabytes, all of which are
MDP> traversed, one deleted (sent) message at a time, every time a new
MDP> outbound message is saved to it.

MDP> That's my guess. Compress the outbox folders and see what happens.

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wish/bug list

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Bat Folk.

  Perhaps a stupid question but here goes:

  I registered for the bug track/wishes server but can't
  find a way to add a 'wish' properly.

  Help would be appreciated. TIA

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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Ken Heronheart]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 6:38:06 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

G>> I still feel strongly that the default behavior should be, that
G>> when text is selected when reply is pressed, that should only be
G>> quoted. It feels natural and it free's up a function key and menu
G>> entry.

G>> "Less is more" in good software design.

> The current implementation has history to it and surfaced in the wake
> of a long, heated discussion about it. I was the one fighting for your
> cause. The member (no longer with us) against our suggestion, made the
> point that while using a client that supported what we want, he often
> selected parts of messages for other purposes than for quoting and
> would not, on many occasions, deselect the text. He would then hit
> reply to see the address, url or some snippet he had copied and pasted
> elsewhere, appear in his reply. A valid concern I'd say, though it
> didn't really affect me with regards to how I work.

I would prefer this be implemented as an option, as it is in Eudora.
It drove me crazy until I switched it off in Eudora.

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Re: search dialogue

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote...

>   In browsing today's msgs, a lister quoted a msg in the
>   archive & provided the link by id#.

>   Accidentally I clicked on the link & up popped a dialogue
>   which allowed me to select any/all of the folders in my
>   mailbox. Very handy except I couldn't find a way to tell
>   TB! that I wanted to find the msg in the archives.

Which archives are you talking about?  The ones on the web? or your
archives?  It won't go through the ones on the website, but will
happily go through your folders that you specify.  There was a thread
on it about a week or so ago.

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"Inbox - Known" Folder?

[Alan Little]

Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 

I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named "Inbox -
Known" in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder.
What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation.

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Re: search dialogue

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply.

At 9:55 AM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [search dialogue]:

>>   Accidentally I clicked on the link & up popped a dialogue
>>   which allowed me to select any/all of the folders in my
>>   mailbox. Very handy except I couldn't find a way to tell
>>   TB! that I wanted to find the msg in the archives.

JA> Which archives are you talking about?  The ones on the web? or your
JA> archives?  It won't go through the ones on the website, but will
JA> happily go through your folders that you specify.  There was a thread
JA> on it about a week or so ago.

  Thanks. Do you remember the thread subject?

  The original poster I referred to referenced a web archive
  msg & had identified the msg via a msg id #. When I
  clicked it that called up the search dialogue that, as you
  point out, only included my own folders.

  It just seemed to me that a useful option, in addition to
  being able to select folders, might have been a URL
  browser dialogue so it could have searched the web
  archives as well.

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Re: BatPost

[Tim Musson]

Hey Marcus,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 6:10:17 AM.


MO> On Friday, June 14, 2002, 07:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Ah! The instructions are in another language. Can anyone tell me
>> how to set this thing up, or if there are English instructions? It
>> looks like it needs a domain entered. Does that mean my IP? Help!

MO> Another interesting thing would be the registration fee. When starting
MO> Batpost it tells me I have 26 days left of 30, but not a word about what
MO> happens after this period or how I register.

MO> Maybe the info is to be found somewhere in the non-english
MO> documentation...

I got it running, but haven't been able to do anything...

Marck, wondering if this should go to TBOT? or is it ok here. Also,
does anyone know if there is a list for BatPost?

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Re: "Inbox - Known" Folder?

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, Alan Little wrote...

> Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 

> I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named "Inbox -
> Known" in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder.
> What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the
> documentation.

It's used in conjunction with the Known filter.  If you have that
filter switched on, all mail addressed from people in your address
book gets put into that folder... should make it a little easier to
identify spam ;)

As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a
nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;)

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Re: "Inbox - Known" Folder?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Alan,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 10:43:56 AM.

AL> Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195

AL> I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named "Inbox -
AL> Known" in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder.
AL> What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation.

>From "What's new in The Bat! 1.60?"
[+] The  incoming mail filter for moving messages from known
senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown
senders and spam :-)

Basically, you have a default filter that will move any message with
an entry in your add book to it.  You do have to turn on the filter...
It is called  and I believe it is supposed to be last.

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Re: "Inbox - Known" Folder?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 11:16:22 AM.

JA> As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a
JA> nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;)

Not a bad idea...

  Marck?

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Re: "Inbox - Known" Folder?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Tim,

@14 June 2002, 11:20:14 -0400 (16:20 UK time) Tim Musson wrote in
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JA>> As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a
JA>> nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;)

> Not a bad idea...

>   Marck?

I'll go for that ;-).

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Re: wish/bug list

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@14 June 2002, 09:46:48 -0400 (14:46 UK time) Jan Rifkinson wrote in
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>   Perhaps a stupid question but here goes:

>   I registered for the bug track/wishes server but can't
>   find a way to add a 'wish' properly.

>   Help would be appreciated. TIA

Log into the BugTraq. Look top-left of the screen. There's a drop down
selector there. In the list is "The Bat! Wishes" or something like it.

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Re: BatPost

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@14 June 2002, 11:09:45 -0400 (16:09 UK time) Tim Musson wrote in
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MO>> Maybe the info is to be found somewhere in the non-english
MO>> documentation...

> I got it running, but haven't been able to do anything...

> Marck, wondering if this should go to TBOT? or is it ok here. Also,
> does anyone know if there is a list for BatPost?

I don't know of a list for BatPost. TBOT is a bit of a stretch, but
TBTECH seems an appropriate place for such a conversation.

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Re: search dialogue

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Jan,

on Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:01:43 -0400GMT (14.06.02, 17:01 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>>>   Accidentally I clicked on the link & up popped a dialogue
>>>   which allowed me to select any/all of the folders in my
>>>   mailbox. Very handy except I couldn't find a way to tell
>>>   TB! that I wanted to find the msg in the archives.

JA>> There was a thread on it about a week or so ago.

JR>   Thanks. Do you remember the thread subject?

I found [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from May 31. If it's still
on your computer you can doubleclick the link to open it. Subject was mid:
links [was Re: Drafts]

The mid link works for all messages stored within The Bat!. :-)

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Re: BatPost

[Tim Musson]

Hey Marck,

My MUA believes you used Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.60q)
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MO>>> Maybe the info is to be found somewhere in the non-english
MO>>> documentation...

>> I got it running, but haven't been able to do anything...

>> Marck, wondering if this should go to TBOT? or is it ok here. Also,
>> does anyone know if there is a list for BatPost?

MDP> I don't know of a list for BatPost. TBOT is a bit of a stretch, but
MDP> TBTECH seems an appropriate place for such a conversation.

TBTECH it is then...

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Re: wish/bug list

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck. Thanks for your reply.

At 11:34 AM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [wish/bug list]:

>>   I registered for the bug track/wishes server but can't
>>   find a way to add a 'wish' properly.

>>   Help would be appreciated. TIA

MDP> Log into the BugTraq. Look top-left of the screen.
MDP> There's a drop down selector there. In the list is "The
MDP> Bat! Wishes" or something like it.

  Well, yes. Actually its in the upper right hand corner
  now.
  
  The problem is that if I select Wish List & click 'switch'
  there is no entry point for a wish -- only for a bug. I
  guess that's what I was trying to say. I suppose I could
  enter a wish in the bug track list but that didn't seem
  right.

  Take a look & you'll see what I mean. Maybe I'm just
  missing something.

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Re[3]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Adam]

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 7:41:58 PM, you wrote:

JN> Once in a while MS really does have a good idea. Unfortunately, I'd
JN> have to get an Intellimouse first, instead of this no-frills Logitech,
JN> which is as indestructible as it is noisy.

Noisy? A mouse? :)

I could use Logitech drivers if I wanted to. In fact I wish I could
use both driver sets at the same time. The Logitech has some nice
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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 2:49:07 AM, Gerard wrote:

> ,--- [  ]--- | [-] An option to use the PC speaker or a
> sound card as beeper for | moving between folders.
> `-

> I think the second has to potential to start creating the problems
> mentioned here. Now if I just could find were this options is.
> Does anybody know?

I read this to say that option was removed, hence the dash or minus
sign in the brackets?

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Re[2]: search dialogue

[Mark Wieder]

Bats-

This was my point last week as well - a link to the web archives, at
least as a backup for when a folder search fails, would be a very
useful thing. If it's possible to create a url pointer into the web
archives with the same message id as the mid: link it would be tres
cool. Especially for those of us who don't archive *everything* on
TBUDL on our hard disks but would like to be able to reference things
past easily. Looking at the archives, there doesn't seem to be a
correlation between the message-id and the url, so this is probably
not going to happen Any Day Soon.

Friday, June 14, 2002, 8:01:43 AM, you wrote:

JR>   The original poster I referred to referenced a web archive
JR>   msg & had identified the msg via a msg id #. When I
JR>   clicked it that called up the search dialogue that, as you
JR>   point out, only included my own folders.

JR>   It just seemed to me that a useful option, in addition to
JR>   being able to select folders, might have been a URL
JR>   browser dialogue so it could have searched the web
JR>   archives as well.

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Re: search dialogue

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, Mark Wieder wrote...

> Bats-

> This was my point last week as well - a link to the web archives, at
> least as a backup for when a folder search fails, would be a very
> useful thing. If it's possible to create a url pointer into the web
> archives with the same message id as the mid: link it would be tres
> cool. Especially for those of us who don't archive *everything* on
> TBUDL on our hard disks but would like to be able to reference things
> past easily. Looking at the archives, there doesn't seem to be a
> correlation between the message-id and the url, so this is probably
> not going to happen Any Day Soon.

Then whoever is hosting the Archives would have to change the indexing
system so the mid can be used to reopen the message, as well as TB!
having to read the  header (which not *all* mailing list
software appends). There are a great number of things that can go
wrong with trying to do that... like somebody changing the name of a
page for example. Also how is TB! going to distinguish between a
personal email, and a list email? Again with the 
header... not all lists actually put in headers, and some don't add
any additional information. Plus not all list archives store the full
email details... they may trim to save space etc.  For example, what
is the point in keeping the path information when you cannot see it on
the website anyway?  Just a couple of ideas ;)

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Re: wish/bug list

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Greetings Jan

On 14 June 2002 at 12:16:26 -0400 (which was 17:16 where I live) Jan
Rifkinson rearranged electrons to get

MDP>> Log into the BugTraq. Look top-left of the screen. There's a drop down
MDP>> selector there. In the list is "The Bat! Wishes" or something like it.

> Well, yes. Actually its in the upper right hand corner now.

> The problem is that if I select Wish List & click 'switch' there is no
> entry point for a wish -- only for a bug. I guess that's what I was trying
> to say. I suppose I could enter a wish in the bug track list but that
> didn't seem right.

> Take a look & you'll see what I mean. Maybe I'm just missing something.

Enter a wish as a bug. It uses the same code to store both wishes and bugs

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Re[2]: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Bill Blinn, Technology Editor]

It seems that Dwight A Corrin said ...

D> On Friday, June 14, 2002, 2:49:07 AM, Gerard wrote:

D> I read this to say that option was removed, hence the dash or minus
D> sign in the brackets?

The legend is at the top of the readme file. [-] indicates a bug has
been fixed:

[   Legend:  ]
[ + Added feature]
[ * Improved/changed feature ]
[ - Bug fixed (we hope)  ]

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Re: wish/bug list

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 at 17:26 GMT +0100 (12:26 PM, 6/14/2002
where I live), "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [David] wrote to [Jan]
@ [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to wish/bug list:

>> The problem is that if I select Wish List & click
>> 'switch' there is no entry point for a wish -- only for a
>> bug. I guess that's what I was trying to say. I suppose I
>> could enter a wish in the bug track list but that didn't
>> seem right.

>> Take a look & you'll see what I mean. Maybe I'm just
>> missing something.

DE> Enter a wish as a bug. It uses the same code to store
DE> both wishes and bugs

  H... a bit weird but ok, I'll do it. Thanks.

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Re: wish/bug list

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, Jan Rifkinson wrote...

DE>> Enter a wish as a bug. It uses the same code to store
DE>> both wishes and bugs

>   H... a bit weird but ok, I'll do it. Thanks.

Certainly is an odd way of doing it... but I guess they just have one
database on the other side, and a field that says wish or bug.

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Re: What about a Windows XP Interface?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Giampaolo!

On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 12:20:57 PM you wrote:

> what do you think about an interface integrated with WindowsXP?

Isn't the XP look stupid enough for Win? Whenever I see a comp with XP
I tend to set it to the "classic" Windows look - and always people
thank me for it.

I still am convinced that the "old" Windows look, TB or Agent still
sport are much more useful and productive than all those lame "cool"
looks - from web site clones to XP - favoured by advertising agencies
(I particularly dread those Flash and Shockwave navigations/sites).

What do I think in short: No.


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Re: Mouse variant of F4?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Joseph!

On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 12:11:58 AM you wrote:

> Once in a while MS really does have a good idea.

The idea is not from Ms; HP, PowerPro, Symantec, Logitech all did it
way before MS - with programmes designed to enhance DOS and Win 3.x.



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Re: wish/bug list

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Jan!

On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 6:16:26 PM you wrote:

>   Take a look & you'll see what I mean. Maybe I'm just
>   missing something.

You are not. Sadly this wasn't adjusted for the wish list, I once or
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Re: "Watch" thread?

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 2:25:49 AM you wrote:

> No, there is not.

Depends, if you want to know where a new message has come in, there is
- the thread becomes bold. If you want to use it as in Agent -
downloading messages automatically and only for a watched thread -,
there isn't. But that's not the point for e-mails, they become
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So, why the heck should there be an option like the one in Agent? It
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Re: Opera 6.04 Beta

[Paddy L]

Hello Peter,
Thursday, June 13, 2002, 1:49:48 PM, you wrote:

PF> As directed by Sue Sims you should not post links to public betas outside
PF> . In that news group you will find
PF> info on changes, bug fixes, etc.

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Re: Re-send -NOD32 plug in bad image error

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JR> I've now installed the NOD32 prog, updated it & tried to install
JR> the plug-in which I downloaded. TB! doesn't allow me to add the
JR> plug-in -- error: bad image, cannot install plug-in. Any
JR> suggestions?


Is that a registered NOD32 version? There may be a problem with using
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Re: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Gerard]

ON Friday, June 14, 2002, 6:20:01 PM, you wrote:

DAC> I read this to say that option was removed, hence the dash or minus
DAC> sign in the brackets?


Hi Dwight,

I just hope it doesn't mean the option to switch it of was removed :(

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Re: wish/bug list

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Dierk.

At 1:20 PM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [wish/bug list]:

>>   Take a look & you'll see what I mean. Maybe I'm just
>>   missing something.

DH> You are not. Sadly this wasn't adjusted for the wish list, I once or
DH> twice complained about that ...

  Well I added a wish-list bug item :-) I guess. Probably
  won't get anywhere anyway.

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Re: Re-send -NOD32 plug in bad image error

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie.

At 1:51 PM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Re-send -NOD32 plug in bad image error]:

JR>> I've now installed the NOD32 prog, updated it & tried to install
JR>> the plug-in which I downloaded. TB! doesn't allow me to add the
JR>> plug-in -- error: bad image, cannot install plug-in. Any
JR>> suggestions?

ACM> Is that a registered NOD32 version? There may be a
ACM> problem with using the trial.

  Not registered yet. Another nice person suggested the same
  possibility. I don't know why that should impact the
  plug-in but, hey, what do I know? Thanks to both of you.

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Mail Ticker Not Working

[Ben Kennish]

Hi All,

I had previously  disabled the Mail Ticker but now can't get it to
work properly.  I have set "Display MailTicker" to "Automatically" but
mail that is coming into my Inbox is not causing the mail ticker to be
displayed (even though the inbox does have "Show unread messages on
MailTicker selected)

Hmmm  :S

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Re[3]: "Watch" thread?

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Ben,

Friday, June 14, 2002, 3:57:35 AM, you wrote:

BK> Hi Peter,

BK> On Friday, June 14, 2002, 1:25:49 AM, you wrote:
PK>> No, there is not. But if many of us ask for, maybe it will be added to
PK>> Version  2.0  Lets start a campaign to add next to the flag. (I used a
PK>> lot in Agent)

BK> OK campaign started.  Anyone who wants a "watch" thread feature in
BK> TB!, reply with "Aye"!


I have a suggestion for compromise:

If  the  "Flag"  could  be  made  so that when used, it would flag any
future  messages in the same tread, it would solve the "watch" request
without  adding a new column. To keep others happy, who don't want it,
this  feature  could activated by a tick mark in the property menu for
each account or for each folder.

I  am  not  a programmer, but I don't think this would be difficult to
build in.

If  a  number  of  us  would agree, we should someway get it to RITLAB
suggestion box. I don't know how.

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Re: Re-send -NOD32 plug in bad image error

[Allie C Martin]

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JR>   Not registered yet. Another nice person suggested the same
JR>   possibility. I don't know why that should impact the
JR>   plug-in but, hey, what do I know? Thanks to both of you.

I don't know for sure if this is the reason. Installing the plug-in
was dead easy on my system. It was just a matter of pointing TB! to
the plug-in file. The trial version may be disabled in ways that
prevent plug-in integration.

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Re[2]: "Inbox - Known" Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?

[Miles Johnson]

TM> [+] The  incoming mail filter for moving messages from known
TM> senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown
TM> senders and spam :-)

Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was implemented, seen
all kinds of people upset about this... It boggles the mind that several
WEEKS after this (potentially very useful) feature is implemented there's
still NOTHING on the updated program's FAQ. This begs the question:
WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING?
And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough resources to
hire a full-time,. professional "help/FAQ writer." If TB truly has millions
of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely wealthy, especially considering the
exchange rate of western currencies for theirs...

Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs stating the
changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been since the first
iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW?

I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way?

Call me crazy but in my humble, non-geeky opinion what WOULD have made sense
- and created a lot less havoc among TB users, AND generated a lot more
business in these spam-crazed times - would have been for Ritlabs to create
a folder called "unknown" for all the spam... and to implement an easy,
customer-friendly way to customize it.

Having been a Bat user for a while now I'm convinced that we are dealing
here with a team that is made not only of good code-writers but also of very
intelligent people. So, I will ask my question once again (not that I expect
an answer from them, but perhaps some constructive thoughts from other
users):

WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING?

Have a great weekend, everyone.
 
Best regards,

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Full-width preview pane bug?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello tbudl,

I have the split-mode view settings as "full-width Preview pane". If I
maximise  the preview pane, thus hiding completely the folder tree and
the  message  list windows, then I can no longer drag down the preview
pane  in  order to reveal the folder tree and message list window. The
only  workaround is to change the split view mode and then reset it to
the full-width preview pane.

This is quite annoying and I wonder if there's a better solution.
  

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Re: wish/bug list

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On 14 June 2002 at 11:58:40 -0500 (which was 17:58 where I live) Jonathan
Angliss rearranged electrons to get

DE>>> Enter a wish as a bug. It uses the same code to store both wishes and
DE>>> bugs

>> H... a bit weird but ok, I'll do it. Thanks.

> Certainly is an odd way of doing it... but I guess they just have one
> database on the other side, and a field that says wish or bug.

Yes. Rit labs use MantisBT which you can get from http://sourceforge.net/.
What they have done is open up a new project.

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Re[3]: "Inbox - Known" Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?

[Bill Blinn, Technology Editor]

It seems that Miles Johnson said ...


M> I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way?

In a word, no.



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Re[2]: How to stop system "stop" sound?

[Alan Little]

I signed up for this list after this thread started, so I can't reply
to the beginning of it.

After a little organized testing, this definitely is resulting from a
filter deleting a message, regardless of whether it is also moved to
another folder. The Windows sound it is playing is the Exclamation.
Assigning a sound to the filter in the Action tab makes no difference:
it plays the sound and then the Exclamation.

This also definitely is new behavior, as I have had some of these
filters in use for a long time and this did not start happening until
I upgraded to 1.60q today. I don't remember what version I was using
before, but I think I've kept pretty current with announced releases.

So...someone please make it stop :)

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On Friday, June 14, 2002, 1:53:32 PM, you wrote:



> ON Friday, June 14, 2002, 6:20:01 PM, you wrote:

DAC>> I read this to say that option was removed, hence the dash or minus
DAC>> sign in the brackets?


> Hi Dwight,

> I just hope it doesn't mean the option to switch it of was removed :(



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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Costas,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:10:52 PM.

CP> Hello tbudl,

CP> I have the split-mode view settings as "full-width Preview pane".
CP> If I maximise the preview pane,

How do you do this?  I run with the full-width preview pane also, so
to check, I pulled the separator bar all the way to the top, then had
no problem pulling it back down to where I wanted it.

CP> thus hiding completely the folder tree and the message list
CP> windows

and all buttons

CP> , then I can no longer drag down the preview pane in order to
CP> reveal the folder tree and message list window. The only
CP> workaround is to change the split view mode and then reset it to
CP> the full-width preview pane.

CP> This is quite annoying and I wonder if there's a better solution.
  
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Re: wish/bug list

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, David Elliott wrote...

>> Certainly is an odd way of doing it... but I guess they just have
>> one database on the other side, and a field that says wish or bug.

> Yes. Rit labs use MantisBT which you can get from
> http://sourceforge.net/. What they have done is open up a new
> project.

I'll take a look at it some time... but most of the time, I write
custom database/application stuff for things like that ;)

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Re: "Inbox - Known" Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Miles,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:03:31 PM.

TM>> [+] The  incoming mail filter for moving messages from
TM>> known senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for
TM>> unknown senders and spam :-)

MJ> Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was
MJ> implemented, seen all kinds of people upset about this... It
MJ> boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very
MJ> useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the
MJ> updated program's FAQ.

RIT does not maintain the FAQ, it is maintained from this list.

MJ> This begs the question:
MJ> WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING?

No answer for you there, other than that is how it always has been.

MJ> And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough
MJ> resources to hire a full-time,. professional "help/FAQ writer." If
MJ> TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely
MJ> wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western
MJ> currencies for theirs...

Um, ~$30 US for each copy [over the years]...  I don't know the
exchange rate, but ...

MJ> Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs
MJ> stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been
MJ> since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW?

The change list they sent out this AM is the same one that has been in
every 1.60 dl...

MJ> I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way?

N, 1.60 has way too many cool features!
SmartBat being one.
And check this one out, I key 54*23=
then with my cursor on one of those chars I do a shift+ctrl+= and it
changes it to.54*23=1242
Now I don't need to grab MS's horrible calculator...

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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Tim,

Friday, June 14, 2002, 10:33:40 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):
> Hey Costas,

> My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
> to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:10:52 PM.

CP>> Hello tbudl,

CP>> I have the split-mode view settings as "full-width Preview pane".
CP>> If I maximise the preview pane,

> How do you do this?  I run with the full-width preview pane also, so
> to check, I pulled the separator bar all the way to the top, then had
> no problem pulling it back down to where I wanted it.

CP>> thus hiding completely the folder tree and the message list
CP>> windows

> and all buttons

CP>> , then I can no longer drag down the preview pane in order to
CP>> reveal the folder tree and message list window. The only
CP>> workaround is to change the split view mode and then reset it to
CP>> the full-width preview pane.

CP>> This is quite annoying and I wonder if there's a better solution.
  
I  missed  something out. The problem actually occurs when you move on
to read a second message in the preview pane by pressing Alt-Ctrl left
(or right) arrow.

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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Costas,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:52:31 PM.

CP> I  missed  something out. The problem actually occurs when you
CP> move on to read a second message in the preview pane by pressing
CP> Alt-Ctrl left (or right) arrow.

I still did not have a problem.

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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Tim,

Friday, June 14, 2002, 11:05:07 PM, you wrote (possibly edited):
> Hey Costas,

> My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
> to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:52:31 PM.

CP>> I  missed  something out. The problem actually occurs when you
CP>> move on to read a second message in the preview pane by pressing
CP>> Alt-Ctrl left (or right) arrow.

> I still did not have a problem.

Do  you  mean  that  you  can drag the divider back down to its normal
position?  I  cannot do that once I change from one message to another
in  the preview pane, unless I change the Split Mode to something else
and then back to full-width Preview pane.



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Re: wish/bug list

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Angliss might have written

> I'll take a look at it some time... but most of the time, I write custom
> database/application stuff for things like that ;)

so do I, but I use a copy for project tracking. It took me less than 1/4
hour to set it up.

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Re[2]: search dialogue

[Mark Wieder]

Actually what I've got in mind is something that would include

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and
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg42263.html

in some simplified manner. I'm not familiar with the interaction
between the listserv and the web archiving software, so I don't know
how or even if this is a possibility, but if it's something that can
be achieved it seems to me that it would be quite useful (at least for
TBUDL).

You do bring up several interesting points. For example, I think that
there is no way for TB! currently to differentiate between a personal
email and a list email. I can put a mid: link to any email anywhere in
my hierarchy of folders, mail it to myself, and find it again easily.
However, this doesn't really add any ease of use over the F7 key.

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Re: search dialogue

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 14, 2002, Mark Wieder wrote...

> Actually what I've got in mind is something that would include

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg42263.html

I can see the idea... but for TB! to do this, it's going to have to:

  a) know the archiving server
  b) know how the server archives
  c) know how to search said server

a) is easy in TBUDL's case... it's in the list headers as list-archive
b) either RitLabs will have to persuade the developers of the list
   servers to modify the codes, or be given access to the way it does
   the archiving.
c) Same as b really.

> in some simplified manner. I'm not familiar with the interaction
> between the listserv and the web archiving software, so I don't know
> how or even if this is a possibility, but if it's something that can
> be achieved it seems to me that it would be quite useful (at least for
> TBUDL).

In most cases, the lists are just archived in a plain text file that
is retrieved later when viewing.

> You do bring up several interesting points. For example, I think that
> there is no way for TB! currently to differentiate between a personal
> email and a list email. I can put a mid: link to any email anywhere in
> my hierarchy of folders, mail it to myself, and find it again easily.

Again... as I said... depends on the list server.  Most list servers
put in *some* kind of header... providing TB! can find that, it'd know
it's a list... but the issue as I said was that not all list servers
put that much info in there.

> However, this doesn't really add any ease of use over the F7 key.

If you have the archives, and are given an mid: I believe it's a lot
quicker... just a double click, and select a folder, and tada, there
it is.  Would be better than trying to go searching through the
folders... although you can use the F7 key to search for the mid: it's
still quicker just clicking it.

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Re: search dialogue

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@14 June 2002, 13:37:51 -0700 (21:37 UK time) Mark Wieder wrote in
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> Actually what I've got in mind is something that would include

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg42263.html

> in some simplified manner. I'm not familiar with the interaction
> between the listserv and the web archiving software,

Well, let me clue you in. The web archive is a member of the list.
When it receives a message from the list, it adds it to the archive.
www.mail-archive.com is a public resource over which we have no
control.

> so I don't know how or even if this is a possibility, but if it's
> something that can be achieved it seems to me that it would be quite
> useful (at least for TBUDL).

We have no control over it.

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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Costas.

At 3:10 PM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Full-width preview pane bug?]:

CP> I have the split-mode view settings as "full-width
CP> Preview pane". If I maximise the preview pane, thus
CP> hiding completely the folder tree and the message list
CP> windows, then I can no longer drag down the preview pane
CP> in order to reveal the folder tree and message list
CP> window. The only workaround is to change the split view
CP> mode and then reset it to the full-width preview pane.

CP> This is quite annoying and I wonder if there's a better
CP> solution.

  Consider the following:

  Use a different split style, ex: full height file tree
  which allows you to see a good portion of everything. When
  you want to read a msg just double click on it & a new
  window will pop up. From there you can go pretty much full
  screen & move on to the next msg as you wish.

  After that, you can move to any other folder by Menu ->
  Navigation -> Move to Folder or by keyboard via
   G.

  Maybe you'll find that more convenient.

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Re: Full-width preview pane bug?

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Costas,

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:12:46 +0300GMT (14-6-02, 22:12 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

CP>>> I  missed  something out. The problem actually occurs when you
CP>>> move on to read a second message in the preview pane by pressing
CP>>> Alt-Ctrl left (or right) arrow.
>> I still did not have a problem.
CP> Do  you  mean  that  you  can drag the divider back down to its normal
CP> position?  I  cannot do that once I change from one message to another

Same problem here. I changed folders (while changing messages) and
could not drag the preview pane back to it's original size.

I don't know whether the OS matters. I'm using Win98.
I don't have any toolbars displayed by TB.

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Re[2]: search dialogue

[Mark Wieder]

(sigh) I figured this was probably the case.

MDP> www.mail-archive.com is a public resource over which we have no
MDP> control.

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Re: Mail Ticker Not Working

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Ben,

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:25:27 +0100GMT (14-6-02, 20:25 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

BK> I had previously  disabled the Mail Ticker but now can't get it to
BK> work properly.  I have set "Display MailTicker" to "Automatically" but

Probably you placed the ticker outside of your desktop. This can be
fixed in your registry:
Close TB,
Start Regedit,
Go to HKEY_CurrentUser-Software-RIT-The Bat-Ticker
Here you see several keys, among others there are keys called 'Left'
and 'Top', set both of them to zero,
Close Regedit,
Start TB,
The ticker will be displayed at the left top of your screen, you can
drag it everywhere you want to.

Good hunting

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Re[5]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Lynn Turriff]

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 1:03:15 PM, you wrote:

BM> Dear Joseph,
 


BM> Thursday, June 13, 2002 at 9:35:11 PM you wrote:


JN>> I haven't met an IT person yet who's heard of The Bat!

[snip]

BM> I am sorry - I thought this was the case everywhere, except in
BM> Denmark, where The Bat! is only known among the intellectual, the
BM> students and a few others :-)

In the US Bill Gates is King, and most of the IT guys have
been trained by MS ... they've never heard of *anything*
but MS software ... the US based international company my
husband works for has shut down their mail servers an
untold number of times just this year, at what must be
mind boggling expense, but he says there is no point even
talking to anybody but the R&D arm about any other mail
services/clients. He says they might consider it, but as
all the mail is funnelled through global services, there
may be little point.

Bizarre, isn't it?

Lynn

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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Lynn Turriff]

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 1:34:06 PM, you wrote:

A> Hello Joseph,

A> Thursday, June 13, 2002, 4:12:06 PM, you wrote:

JN>> Is there a quick and easy mouse/menu way to reply with only a
JN>> selection quoted, i.e., the same result as making a selection and then
JN>> pressing F4?

A> Download the lastest Microsoft Intellimouse drivers.  Then set a
A> button to F4.

Doubtful that that would work here .. using a 2 button
trackball, don't even *suggest* going to a mouse! lol!

I'd like to see a change to defaulting to that setting,
too.


Lynn

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Re[2]: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion

[Lynn Turriff]

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 9:41:04 AM, you wrote:

PL> Hello Peter,
PL> Thursday, June 13, 2002, 2:41:40 AM, you wrote:

PP>> As you can see in Paddys request there seem to be something left. Or Paddy
PP>> 's using an unfixed 6.0.

PP>> In the latter case Paddy should update Opera and give it another try with
PP>> 'Use Default' _and_ Space.

[snip]

I've never had a problem defaulting Opera to TB mailer,
since v 4 something .. now using Opera 6.02. It's just set
at 'default mailer' TheBat.

I didn't realize there was a later version, better get on
over there and collect it!

Lynn

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Re[2]: Mouse variant of F4?

[Lynn Turriff]

Absolutely!

Lynn

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 7:00:20 PM, you wrote:

DAC> On Thursday, June 13, 2002, 3:18:02 PM, Chris Weaven wrote:

>> Here here, get's my vote too.

DAC> not wanting to feel left out, add my voice as well, for reply, reply
DAC> to all and reply to sender. Haven't thought this through, but possibly
DAC> for forward, too?



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Delete Thread

[Pete Milne]

  Good evening Bat people,


  How do I delete a thread, instead of having to delete each post one at a
  time???

-- 

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 5:53:15 PM


 Ask about eScan Content-Security 
 and Anti-Virus Software.

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Re: Delete Thread

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Pete.

At 7:54 PM on Friday, June 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Delete Thread]:

PM> How do I delete a thread, instead of having to delete
PM> each post one at a time???

  Cursor on msg in msg list. Right click, scroll to
  'Thread' click delete or the keyboard short cut is
   DEL

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Re[2]: Delete Thread

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Friday, June 14, 2002, 6:00:11 PM:


Wow...you all will be floored if I ever ask anything too tough...huh??

Thanks Jan!!!

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Separate image files

[Joseph N.]

I just received an email with a couple of text strings at the top such
as this:

   (Embedded image moved to file: pic00041.pcx)

I've never seen that before.  Does that have anything to do with my
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Re: Re[5]: SOT: POP3 lock out - alternatives?

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Lynn,
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:37:34 -0700, you wrote:

> In the US Bill Gates is King, and most of the IT guys have been trained by MS
> ... they've never heard of *anything* but MS software ...

It's pretty much the same in the UK as well, except there seems to be a little
more of a range in software in some cases.

> the US based international company my husband works for has shut down their
> mail servers an untold number of times just this year, at what must be
> mind boggling expense

I live in the US now, and work for a software development company that write
accounting software for businesses (including accountants), and I am the systems
admin there.  We run our web services in house to reduce costs, and it's all run
in unix.  Once you get used to the commands, it's not that difficult. 
Everything is pretty quick to pick up if you're technically minded (like most
people in the IT industry normally are).  We never have to worry about viruses
getting in house via email, because we run MailScanner, with Sophos (a very good
UK based anti-virus company, who were in the news today commenting on the recent
.jpg threats).  I admit, I've seen a number of attempts at accessing services
users shouldn't have access to, and even the odd attempt at Nimda being
installed from a remote webserver that was infected... but all in all, the
servers have not been shutdown since they first came online nearly a year ago,
service is flawless, and I don't have to worry about the latest microsoft bugs
being an issue to me.

> but he says there is no point even talking to anybody but the R&D arm about >
> any other mail services/clients. He says they might consider it, but as all
> the mail is funnelled through global services, there may be little point.

Only if the global services run virus scanners etc.  But to me, until MS secure
Outlook from such stupid bugs, I think most IT departments should start looking
for decent alternatives to email clients, TB! being top on my list, and I've
already managed to convert two of the support staff over ;)


> Bizarre, isn't it?

Sadly not really.  If you watch what children use when they're at home, then at
school, then when the start college etc... Most of the time its Windows, running
a windows based product... and unless you really push to be in a different area,
like taking computer sciences of some type, chances are, most people won't even
see a different operating system. (Except the Mac of course).  Because all the
students, and up coming workers are more influenced by the MS world, it makes it
easier to fit into most requirements... but if you even take a cursory glance
over unix type OSes, you'll see that 99% of the stuff you can do on windows has
either been duplicated, or ported in some way.  I've noticed recently a large
number of schools have started pushing for using linux as alternatives, giving
students a chance to branch out, and learn more.

I'm wandering way off topic now, so I'll stop ;)

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Email Commands?

[Keith Hanlon]

Hello tbudl,

I'm using Mailwasher. I have set it to open The Bat! after is
processes my mail. There is an option to "Specify an email client
command" when it launches TB. I don't use this currently.

If TB isn't running, it Mailwasher will open it and TB is set up to
check my accounts. If TB is already running and I process mail in
Mailwasher, all it does is takes me to TB. My accounts aren't
automatically checked because it will only check them when I start up
or do it manually.

Should I use the option in Mailwasher to "Specify email client
commands?" If so, how do I do this? I couldn't find any info in the
FAQ, but I'm not sure what to look for...

Thanks!

Keith

-~->
Here are some websites:

http://www.orchestraville.com
http://www.citizenkeith.com
http://www.zapruderred.net

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Re: Email Commands?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Keith,

An archeological dig discovered that on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 21:03
GMT -0400, Keith Hanlon [KH] typed the following:

KH> Hello tbudl,

KH> I'm using Mailwasher. I have set it to open The Bat! after is
KH> processes my mail. There is an option to "Specify an email client
KH> command" when it launches TB. I don't use this currently.

KH> If TB isn't running, it Mailwasher will open it and TB is set up to
KH> check my accounts. If TB is already running and I process mail in
KH> Mailwasher, all it does is takes me to TB. My accounts aren't
KH> automatically checked because it will only check them when I start up
KH> or do it manually.

KH> Should I use the option in Mailwasher to "Specify email client
KH> commands?" If so, how do I do this? I couldn't find any info in the
KH> FAQ, but I'm not sure what to look for...

Try:
 -> Help
   -> Help Topics
 -> Contents
   -> Advanced Usage Topics
 -> Command-Line Parameters
   -> /Check

Is it just me, or shouldn't TB open the contents list when I select
"Help Topics"?
   
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Bug?

[Chill]

Hi tbudl,

Someone explains me, that she just can't write mails with The Bat!
1.60m or 1.60q. When she clics in the "TO" field, The Bat! just goes
down without any error messages. She is on Windows XP.

Can anyone confirm?

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Re: HTML MailTo, Recipient Name + Address Insertion

[Clive Taylor]

15 June 2002, 00:43, you wrote:

LT> I didn't realize there was a later version, better get on
LT> over there and collect it!

6.03 now, with 6.04 in beta and imminent!

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Mail Ticker

[Geoff Lane]

Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6

The Mail Ticker won't stay put. I want it to appear just above the
Task Bar, where I can see it but it doesn't prevent my from working.
However, each time I log onto my computer, the Mail Ticker moves back
to the centre of the screen.

Is there a way to get the Mail Ticker to stay where I put it?

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Re[2]: Mail Ticker Not Working

[Ben Kennish]

Hi Roelof,

On Friday, June 14, 2002, 11:18:10 PM, you wrote:
RO> The ticker will be displayed at the left top of your screen, you can
RO> drag it everywhere you want to.

Thanks for your help.  Unfortunately, I have tried this and it doesn't
seem to help.

If I set the Ticker to be on "Always" in the settings,I can see it.
It's just "automatically" does not work as the MailTicker does not
open when I have new mail (even though the Inbox folder is set to
"Show unread messages on MailTicker"

Any ideas?

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