Re[2]: Tuning up: a standard template for replying to TBUDL posts
Hello, Thomas: Thank you for this. I'll tune it up now. David TF Hello David, TF On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:41:31 -0500 GMT (04/11/02, 05:41 +0700 GMT), TF David R. Austen wrote: DH -- ((this is two dashes then a space followed by a Return)) Best regards, I hope this is fine. Thank you very much for your able coaching. -- Best regards, David TF It should be dashdashspaceenter. You left out the space at the TF end. TF To see the difference, hit the reply key on your message (everything TF below this cut mark is still copied into the reply) and mine (the TF reply is cut at the cut mark). -- Best regards, David Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 4:30:29 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Daniel, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:11:25 +0100 GMT (05/11/02, 07:11 +0700 GMT), Daniel Dekany wrote: Well, sure... mater of style. I usually use interleaved format, but in most cases I answer only a few paragraphs, not all, also not all empty line is after a paragraph (just look at this mail), also often I break a paragraph in its middle and answer there (answer a sentence), and not after the paragraph. My sister uses a mailer that puts quote marks in front of empty lines. When I answer interleaved I often break the quote in the middle of a paragraph. What I have to do is to manually delete all the quote marks on the empty lines before I hit alt-L. [snip] Umm.. I don't understand this. Why do you have to remove the quote marks? Alt+L works correctly for multiple quoted paragraphs like: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah If I press ALT+L in both quoted paragraphs then I get: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah which is correct. I guess I'm not alone with this. So it would be much better if TB! supports both style, and allow users to choose. Well, it is easy to ask for an option for everything, until at the end there are so many options that nobody (except maybe for some people over at NASA) understand TB any more. (One more macro, I guess...) You haven't convinced me quote-marking empty lines are good in any circumstance. Nor you convinced me that not quoting empty lines is good. :) Well, after all, I have started the thread because I don't like it... -- Best regards, Daniel Dekany Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Eudora import and HTML again...
Hello, I have seen in the archive that this was discussed earlier, and the end was that this is the mistake of Qualcomm guys. Well, Eudora shows the mails correctly, so it is certainly possible to import them correctly. But OK, let's say that Qualcomm guys did something wrong there. So what? If somebody wants to switch from Eudora to The Bat!, he sill wants to import the mails. And I guess it is not that hard to implement. The problematic mails start with x-html or html, so the importer could guess that those mails are text/html mails, not text/plain mails. Also, x-flowed-s should be simply removed. But perhaps I miss something. Do I? -- Best regards, Daniel Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hello Daniel, You haven't convinced me quote-marking empty lines are good in any circumstance. Nor you convinced me that not quoting empty lines is good. :) Well, after all, I have started the thread because I don't like it... I don't like it either and many times I add the quote mark to empty lines manually. Aside of that, from the hundreds of email I get I could say that the de facto standard by most other MUAs is to include the quote mark in blank lines. Anyway, I never liked that programers decide what is best for me. So, as in many other issues, I think TB should include an option for this. That way, everybody could choose and be happy. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:789519848.20021105130409;ermspain.com, Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:' MAU Anyway, I never liked that programers decide what is best for MAU me. A lot has been decided for you. MAU So, as in many other issues, I think TB should include an MAU option for this. That way, everybody could choose and be happy. It seems to me to be just a matter of taste and what your eyes have grown accustomed to. If I use only the simple '' prefix, then quoting the blank lines are neither here nor there. However, when using initials etc, it becomes confusing and cluttering, especially when more than one person is being quoted. With the blank lines left without quotes, it's much easier and more comfortable to see each quoted paragraph, their special initials, where one starts and where one stops. I'm one of those that are thankful for the lines not being quoted. Be that as it may, I'm all for things being optional. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE9x7XoV8nrYCsHF+IRAgvgAJ9YdFUUpbzqcx6QRs0pzD6D5MGfhwCgv5UY 6bu9uZdl0fr40OoO9FqQob0= =+WTD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Customer cannot open mail
Tuesday, November 5, 2002 Dear tbudl, I hope someone here can figure out what is wrong... We have a customer who has a problem with The Bat! - he cannot open the mails. He has completely uninstalled The Bat!, has erased everything, has reorganised his disc. Then he has used windoctor to correct the registry, particularly the shortcuts. The he has closed down the computer. After that he has re-installed version 1.61, and has created one account only. He has asked his daughter to send him a mail, and he has received the mail. He couldn't open it. Then he closed TB, re-opened, and he can open the mail. This happens all the time for him - he has to shot down and re-open TB in order to open the mail, and it is even after each mail, he has opened, he has to go through that procedure. Any ideas? -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Your flattering remarks are both desperate and obvious. ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: DrWeb TB! Plug-in.
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Chris Weaven wrote: Anyone any ideas of what's causing this and if there's going to be a new plug-in released? MM I will ask distributor, with whom I'm in contact. Excellent. Let me know when you have something. official answer from developer: ** Yes, new version of Dr.Web plugin for TheBat! is preparing for release in a few days. ** -- Marek Mikus Czech Support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AV Tagline
Thanks Allie. On Monday, November 04, 2002 17:39:38 [ -0500 GMT] you wrote the following in regards to AV Tagline: Allie [...] Using the %Put macro, TB! Allie extracts the text from the file so Allie that an expression match can be Allie achieved. [/...] -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta6/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Britt, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 6:46:21 AM, you wrote: BM Tuesday, November 5, 2002 BM Dear tbudl, snip BM ... After that he has re-installed version 1.61, and has created one BM account only. ... he has received the [one] mail. BM He couldn't open it. BM Then he closed TB, re-opened, and he can open the mail. What a distress! BM This happens all the time for him - he has to shut down and re-open TB BM in order to open the mail, and it is even after each mail, he has BM opened, he has to go through that procedure. BM Any ideas? Faulty code in the copy of The Bat! I believe it is still faulty code. I think he needs to uninstall again (don't believe them when they tell you it will successfully overwrite--won't successfully overwrite a flawed copy of TB). Go directly to the ritlabs.com website. Download from there. If problem persists after that, write to Ritlabs Support. These seemingly small problems for which the new user thinks there must be a work-around: IMHO, they are clues that you have a flawed copy and need to uninstall and download a clean copy. Some of my clues that I didn't recognize, and indeed that the developers and support group at first didn't recognize, were: 1.) A strange error message: Call to OS failed. on attempting to open mails. Then inability to open, unless first shut-down and re-launch. 2.) No message preview pane. 3.) No Back-up feature on menu. 4.) Could not export files. And several others that I thought were just characteristics of the program or else my inexperience in using it. Don't delay. Go back to Ritlabs. If you keep on running a faulty program it will start freezing and crashing and crashing your OS and you may even lose all data stored in TB when you finally realize you have a faulty copy. This is a great program. You just need the Real Thing and not a copy with cracked code. Best of luck, and -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Mary, Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 3:27:28 PM you wrote: MB This is a great program. You just need the Real Thing and not a copy MB with cracked code. Thanks for your advice. I will tell him. He hasn't a copy with cracked code, because he bought the program by us. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... - A social life? Where can I download THAT? ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hello Daniel, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:07:55 +0100 GMT (05/11/02, 17:07 +0700 GMT), Daniel Dekany wrote: If I press ALT+L in both quoted paragraphs then I get: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah which is correct. Yes. It didn't use to work this way; here you can see that the editor has been improved (at least since the last time I checked this particular feature/problem). :-) This makes my rant completely irrelevant, but I will save a lot of time in the next reply to my sister. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? -- H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
ON Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 1:46:21 PM, you wrote: BM We have a customer who has a problem with The Bat! - he cannot open BM the mails. Hi Britt, We seem to forget most of the times that these can be caused by hardware failures as well and specially defective memory banks. Ask your customer if he has problems with other programs and what kind of problems. If possible have him change machines. The failure your describing either points to corrupted software or hardware failure. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It Is Time To Quit When... You can remember for a week the one good shot you had in the round. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Gerard, Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 4:10:01 PM you wrote: GWe seem to forget most of the times that these can be caused by Ghardware failures as well The thought had occurred to me... G and specially defective memory banks. Okay... GAsk your customer if he has problems with other programs and what Gkind of problems. If possible have him change machines. I will, thanks. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... If the stupid were flying, it would be night. -- Fréderic Dard ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 1:13:30 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: [snip] So, as in many other issues, I think TB should include an option for this. That way, everybody could choose and be happy. It seems to me to be just a matter of taste and what your eyes have grown accustomed to. If I use only the simple '' prefix, then quoting the blank lines are neither here nor there. For you... For me it is cleanly an annoying thing in everyday mailing. I always find myself typing the missing -s. However, when using initials etc, it becomes confusing and cluttering, especially when more than one person is being quoted. With the blank lines left without quotes, it's much easier and more comfortable to see each quoted paragraph, their special initials, where one starts and where one stops. I think maybe (maybe!) it would be true if everybody uses TB!. But most people use other MUAs, and those MUAs quote empty lines. And the combined result (i.e. a my MUA don't quote empty lines, but the other MUA will quote the empty lines comes from the unquoted empty lines of my response) is cleanly confusing. You see, you end up with things like this: [snip] blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah -- Best regards, Daniel Dekany Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
On 11/5/2002, Britt Malka wrote: This happens all the time for him - he has to shot down and re-open TB in order to open the mail, and it is even after each mail, he has opened, he has to go through that procedure. Any ideas? Did he completely uninstall his previous copy? From where did he obtain the copy he installed? Has he made any significant changes to his system lately, or had problems with any other software? -- Regards, Don Zeigler ...He said: Smile, things could be worse! I did! They were! This email brought to you by the Bat 1.62/Beta5 http://www.donzeigler.com -- http://www.netplanet9.com The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Close to Home - the Grand Funk Forums http://grandfunk.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hello Allie, MAU Anyway, I never liked that programers decide what is best for MAU me. --- I typed this quote :) A lot has been decided for you. Yes, starting with my name a couple of days after I was born. ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
Good evening Gerard, It was foretold that on 5-11-2002 08:52:24 GMT+0100 (which was 8:52:24 where I live) Gerard would mumble: snipped a bit G I am now wondering, based on your experience, that the flag might not G be seen if it is set by a filter and/or the filters are of the same group? Is it correct to assume that all those filters are in the incoming mail folder? And that you want the to be moved if not flagged and read? If that is right, i would make the filter that moves the unflagged messages in the read folder. I haven't tried it myself because i flag them manually. If i find the time today, i'll set my filters to flag them automatically and see if it works for me -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
Good evening Luc, It was foretold that on 5-11-2002 18:20:45 GMT+0100 (which was 18:20:45 where I live) Luc would mumble: snipped a bit L If i find the time today, i'll set my filters to flag them L automatically and see if it works for me Just tried it out and it works for me. Here's what i did: i have a plain filter that looks for keywords and if matched, the messages are filtered to a specific folder. They also get automatically flagged. That filter i created in the incoming mail folder. From the messages that are thus filtered, i need those _with attachments_ filtered to another folder, _after_ they are read. What i did is set up a filter with keywords in the read folder. On the advanced tab i enabled message is not flagged message has attachments. Now what happens is this: the _unread_ messages are filtered to the appropriate folder and get flagged. After i read a message, i unflag it and, if it has an attachment, it gets filtered to the other folder, as soon as i move to the next message. The ones without attachment, stay in their folder. If i decide that i don't want to keep the message, i don't unflag it but delete it. Is this what you're looking for (albeit without the attachment thingie)? -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. It's been a rough day. I got up this morning ... put a shirt on and a button fell off. I picked up my briefcase, and the handle came off. I'm afraid to go to the bathroom. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
ON Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 6:20:45 PM, you wrote: L Is it correct to assume that all those filters are in the incoming L mail folder? Yes L And that you want the to be moved if not flagged and read? It is a bit more complicated. I will list the filters for you: - Flag if subject contains XXX - If body contains XYZ and Not Flagged Then copy to folder Action1 - If body contains ABC and Not Flagged Then copy to folder Action2 - If sender = A1 move to folder Sender1 - If sender = A2 move to folder ... etc L If that is right, i would make the filter that moves the unflagged L messages in the read folder. I haven't tried it myself because i flag L them manually. I am not sure what you mean by read folder. I dont read all my mails :( I use TB! for my business and to help me wade through 2000 mails a day. L If i find the time today, i'll set my filters to flag L them automatically and see if it works for me Let me know how it went. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf is an awkward set of bodily contortions designed to produce a graceful result. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hi Allie, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:13:30 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be that as it may, I'm all for things being optional. Irony AOL Me too. /AOL I think every thing should be made optionally. I'd vote for a function to make 'send' optionally too. I think there could be a useful situation when you wish to press send, but don't actually the mail being sent out. And by the way there could be an option for making 'Reply' optionally too. Sometimes I wish a pressure on 'Reply' button wouldn't have taken effect. to be honest, I'd clutter the whole interface with options and choices for the user. It would make things much easier, as nobody would really like to use The Bat! and therefore a lot of questions wouldn't appear. /Irony No, to be real honest: customization and optional setting are essential and vital for a program, everybody has different needs. But somewhere the developers have to draw 'the line'. You _end up_ in an unusable mass of options, settings, buttons, checkboxes, menu items and anything else, being able to offer alternate settings. The argument But XYZ does it this and this way is quite senseless, if not even stupid, because if all programs would do it the same there would be no difference. A lot of other MUA handle the 'quote blank lines' stuff different, and they do handle other stuff different too. Why did we choose The Bat!? Because we think all in all it's better than the others. Developers decided blank lines don't get a leading quotation sign, it's no real 'functionality' in having one, only a matter of visuality preference, so why coming up with this 'lets make this optinal' instead of 'lets live with it, seems to make sense, albeit not always for me'? If somebody _really_ wishes this being changed, feel free to submit a wish list item at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/. If it's not changed: that's life. Me for one had to spend a lot of time learning about most of the current options and alternate settings possible. I don't cry for thinks to get a headache from while learning and understanding them. I do want some _simplification_, like in filter engine, menu structure and something more. Plus a little more stability. I can hardly imagine there are a lot people subscribed to this list having all current possible settings 'in mind' and needing 'more' for being busy with using The Bat!. To much questions and to 'few' people answering them regularily without 'guessing' the answer (but 'knowing' it instead) ... No personal offense, but that's how it looks (from my PoV in front of my monitor :-) ). To come to an end: I know, this message will not stop anybody, asking for yet more optional parameters, but I felt like having to say I don't see much advantages yet in even more parameters to handle, before some significant simplifications (e.g. in GUI) are done. I feel too this is straight on the way to being OT, therefore X-Post and the please for a Follow-Up-To mailto:tbot;yahoogroups.com -- Best regards Peter Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
Good evening Gerard, It was foretold that on 5-11-2002 19:05:58 GMT+0100 (which was 19:05:58 where I live) Gerard would mumble: snipped a bit G I am not sure what you mean by read folder. In the sorting office, there's a folder read messages. G I dont read all my mails :( I use TB! for my business and to help G me wade through 2000 mails a day. Ah, then we have our wires a bit crossed :-). Before we go over your filters: i assume they all need to be applied to the same message, where it depends on what's in the subject, body and sender? Or do the filters apply on separate messages? -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. I'm a try-sexual. I'll try anything once. - Samantha Jones (Kim Cattrall) - Sex the City (TV show) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, 5-Nov-2002, 15:25 +0100 (14:25 UK time) Daniel Dekany [DD] in mid:431421811.20021105152508;freemail.hu said: However, when using initials etc, it becomes confusing ... DD I think maybe (maybe!) it would be true if everybody uses TB!. This is where your argument collapses in a heap of rubble. As Allie quite rightly and clearly says, quoting blank lines doesn't work well in any but one of TB's multiple range of quoting options. DD But most people use other MUAs, But we are TB users. TB is set up to talk to TB best of all. That's it. Discussion over. Frankly the quoting (or not) of blank lines is *so* irrelevant that I would doubt that it would be considered a necessary option in the least. DD ... the combined result ... is cleanly confusing. You see, you DD end up with things like this: [snip] blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Not when I do it. The re-wrap macro strips them out very cleanly. :-) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9yBJ9OeQkq5KdzaARArcAAJ9Vk8KXRf5cV5EgeqdWJs3yMW9KNACdEe5B +hlyxkQ8BUFrmHg+DKaWO1c= =YWJy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
ON Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 7:09:36 PM, you wrote: L Just tried it out and it works for me. Here's what i did: i have a L plain filter that looks for keywords and if matched, the messages are L filtered to a specific folder. They also get automatically flagged. L That filter i created in the incoming mail folder. From the messages L that are thus filtered, i need those _with attachments_ filtered to L another folder, _after_ they are read. What i did is set up a filter L with keywords in the read folder. On the advanced tab i enabled L message is not flagged message has attachments. L Now what happens is this: the _unread_ messages are filtered to the L appropriate folder and get flagged. After i read a message, i unflag L it and, if it has an attachment, it gets filtered to the other folder, L as soon as i move to the next message. The ones without attachment, L stay in their folder. If i decide that i don't want to keep the L message, i don't unflag it but delete it. L Is this what you're looking for (albeit without the attachment L thingie)? Luc, It is getting close. The problem is that I don't want to use a read filter, I want to do it in one go. But your results have given me some thought about possible option. I will work these out when I have time. I still believe this is a bug and that I filled the report on good grounds :) Thanks for your help. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golfers must learn to quiet their minds, stay in the present, and focus tightly on the next shot to be played. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Don, Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 4:41:16 PM you wrote: DZ Did he completely uninstall his previous copy? He said so, and he is working with computers, so he should know. DZ From where did he obtain the copy he installed? I don't know. As it is version 1.61, I guess he got it from Ritlabs. That is where our link goes to, any way. DZ Has he made any significant changes to his system lately, or had DZ problems with any other software? No, it is only The Bat! that doesn't work. He has tried to uninstall firewall and anti-virus program. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... If God was a villain, he would have been me. ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
ON Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 7:41:29 PM, you wrote: L Ah, then we have our wires a bit crossed :-). L Before we go over your filters: i assume they all need to be applied to the L same message, where it depends on what's in the subject, body and L sender? Or do the filters apply on separate messages? No, these are all the same single message that gets processes in steps. The reason I do this is to speed things up. First they all go through the flagging filter and then all get checked against a number of body text filters. I could combine the flagging with the text but I still would need a flagging filter in the end to flag all the msg's that weren't filtered by the body text filters. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Courage is a necessary quality in all champions. But an athlete cannot be courageous without first being afraid. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Character Set Problems
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. As some of you know, I have a particular interest in using Korean with The Bat! For some time now, I've been aware that my home installation handled Korean differently (better) than the one at work. I've finally decided to try to track down why. Even though I've been running 1.61 in both locations, View | Character Set displays more character sets at home than at work. For example, it has Japanese (not Korean, however). I even installed the latest beta at work to see if I would get the additional character sets, but no such luck. All I have here are Latin-1, Central European (2 entries), Cyrillic (7), and Ukrainian. Can anyone tell me how I can get the missing character sets? I'm sure I installed something in the past that gave them to me, but I just can't remember what 8-(. That might not have anything to do with the problem. It might just be the difference between Windows XP and 2000, for all I know. But it's worth a try. Anything else that could account for the difference between the two locations? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...How do you make Windows faster ? Throw it harder Using The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
Good evening Gerard, It was foretold that on 5-11-2002 20:36:12 GMT+0100 (which was 20:36:12 where I live) Gerard would mumble: snipped a bit G No, these are all the same single message that gets processes in steps. What about this? If the subject meets your keyword, the message gets flagged. This will have as a result, that, when the next filter needs to look for the keywords in the body in the same message, that filter will not work because you tell it that the message has to be unflagged which can't be true because you just told it to flagg it. The not flagged condition will not work. Or am i misunderstanding something here? (i'm a bit dense today). Btw, this might be to obvious also but have you enabled continue processing with other folders on the Options tab? You have to enable this if you want TB! to continue processing the next filter once this filter has been triggered. Normally, if TB! finds a match it will stop the filtering process at that point. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. I'm on a new tranquilizer diet. I haven't lost an ounce, but I don't care. - Bob Phillips. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hello Marck, But we are TB users. TB is set up to talk to TB best of all. That's it. Discussion over. I'm a TB user and aside of TB lists I don't talk to hardly any TB users. Probably 95% or even more of my e-mail is from non-TB users. Frankly the quoting (or not) of blank lines is *so* irrelevant that I would doubt that it would be considered a necessary option in the least. *You* think it is irrelevant. There is people like Daniel and myself who don't think the same. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
message box problem
Just upgraded to latest version but when I try to write in message box, only first letter prints. Cannot find the way to set this correctly. Any suggestions most welcome. Michael Berger = Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Britt, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 6:46:21 AM, Britt wrote: We have a customer who has a problem with The Bat! - he cannot open the mails. Hmmm, sounds like either faulty registry settings, a dying computer or a faulty program file. He has completely uninstalled The Bat!, has erased everything, has reorganised his disc. Then he has used windoctor to correct the registry, particularly the shortcuts. The he has closed down the computer. Typically a sign that something was already messed up. The Bat! writes sparingly, has made no improper registry entries or shortcuts on any system I've tried it with. That's Win98SE, WinME, Win2k and WinXP (the latter two being machines my daughter has tried). 1) Get a fresh copy of the program from RitLabs, corrupted downloads happen :( 2) In The Bat! (options - Applications) un-check (clear the boxes) of all file associations. 3) Close The Bat! and uninstall. 4) Back up the registry.. repeat (ok so i like 2 backups) 5) Remove ALL registry entries for The Bat! under [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!] (you knew I had you back up the registry for a reason) 6) Open previous mail program. Make it the default mail program for windows (you want it to rewrite all association settings in the registry). Close this program. (Double check that it will handle mail properly with external links etc.) Note: If The Bat! finds itself as the target of an association it assumes it's properly made and won't touch it, if The Bat! sees another program as the target, it saves the settings of the previous association and creates a new association (that tends to work properly). 7) Finally, install the new copy of The Bat! It should create all new entries that work. -- Best regards, Lourdes Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Lourdes, Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 9:46:28 PM you wrote: LJ It should create all new entries that work. Wow! I am impressed. Now I have a lot of translation to do, but it improves my French :-) Thanks! -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... If God was a villain, he would have been me. ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 7:48:27 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: [snip] DD I think maybe (maybe!) it would be true if everybody uses TB!. This is where your argument collapses in a heap of rubble. (nah... /-8) As Allie quite rightly and clearly says, quoting blank lines doesn't work well in any but one of TB's multiple range of quoting options. (Huh???) DD But most people use other MUAs, But we are TB users. TB is set up to talk to TB best of all. That's it. Discussion over. [snip] Maybe it is over, but not because we are TB users. You communicate with people who use different MUA. I want to send e-mails to non-TB users. Point. Frankly the quoting (or not) of blank lines is *so* irrelevant that I would doubt that it would be considered a necessary option in the least. [snip] (I'm not sure that it is sooo irrelevant.) I just see this dont-quote-blank-lines rule as an unnecessary bad thing. Anyway, the logic it is so little thing that it need not be fixed IMO does not make sense. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 7:28:40 PM, Peter Palmreuther wrote: [snip] The argument But XYZ does it this and this way is quite senseless, if not even stupid, because if all programs would do it the same there would be no difference. A lot of other MUA handle the 'quote blank lines' stuff different, and they do handle other stuff different too. Why did we choose The Bat!? Because we think all in all it's better than the others. [snip] All MUA has the pros and cons, also TB! has things that I really don't like. BT! is far the best among the MUAs I have seen (for me, at least) but this just means that BT! is *relatively* good. That is, I think there is space for really useful improvements. (Sure, there are far more important things that this %Quotes problem.) [snip] Developers decided blank lines don't get a leading quotation sign, it's no real 'functionality' in having one, only a matter of visuality preference, so why coming up with this 'lets make this optinal' instead of 'lets live with it, seems to make sense, albeit not always for me'? [snip] It is just that I think that it's 15 minutes of work for a programmer, and I find it really useful, and absolutely not only for me. OK, I told it, and it will be either adopted or not. -- Best regards, Daniel Dekany Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, November 05, 2002, at 6:25:08 AM PST, Daniel Dekany wrote: Allie: It seems to me to be just a matter of taste and what your eyes have grown accustomed to. If I use only the simple '' prefix, then quoting the blank lines are neither here nor there. Daniel: For you... For me it is cleanly an annoying thing in everyday mailing. I always find myself typing the missing -s. I feel it really is a matter of personal preference...not one of right or wrong. I find myself manually *removing* the quote characters from blank lines if I'm dealing with an editor that insists on quoting blank lines. I prefer the cleaner look of truly blank lines between paragraphs (quoted or not...regardless of the type of quote characters used). When using the standard quote characters, the eye easily follows the number of quote characters in front of each paragraph, so determining quote depth isn't a problem. My aversion to quoted blank lines probably comes from seeing so many *horribly formatted/quoted* replies generated by OE (and some other email/news clients as well), where there are long/short lines all mixed in with different levels of quote characters on every line...resulting in some very confusing - and ugly - text formatting. To each our own. You can manually add your quote characters in TB!, and I can manually remove them when I'm not in TB! :-) Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:pgp_keys;gmx.co.uk?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAj3IQmUACgkQjVbXUvsE8ulfSgCgraGrSYDCy3GpcOe4yg0aLzeS xr8AoI/fI8PtjQ6MeTu9BlduIRakSLgD =d3Np -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Lourdes, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 2:46:28 PM, you wrote: LJ 1) Get a fresh copy of the program from RitLabs, corrupted downloads LJ happen :( I just want to reinforce your advice to Britt Malka, which in his last post he seemed to be taking rather lightheartedly. The middle of October, 2002, I downloaded a corrupt copy of The Bat! It behaved in a number of bad ways, a few of which I sent as examples in an earlier answer to Britt Malka's query. Nobody would believe it could possibly be the code. It was me, the newbie. It was my hardware. It was my lack of system resources. Right. :) I had two weeks of unmitigated misery. Finally after a week of hassling with The Bat! Support team, I was advised to install a new copy of TB 1.61 over the extant one. This produced crashes, freeze-ups--oh, you're running Win95, you don't have enough RAM, you don't understand how to work The Bat!'s features. :) Then, TB would not accept the registration key. Oh, you forgot your password. Oh, you don't know how to type. (Implications from Support Team.) *Finally*, well ... , uninstall it and install this fresh copy from us. No charge. We will send you a new key. You can use your same password. :) (at last vbg) Now, I am not too computer knowledgeable. I didn't have the sense to know that was what I should have done at the first sign of trouble. It worked like a charm, a treat, a dream. I love The Bat! I wouldn't have gone through all that distress to get it, if I hadn't believed in it and had so much support from the people on tbudl. Thank you all, good buddies! Listen to me, Britt Malka, and listen to Lourdes. We know what we are talking about. TB Support Team should listen, also. Quit running off customers, blaming them and their hardware! :-) vbg It is not very much trouble to first uninstall the old copy and then download and install a fresh, clean, complete copy of The Bat! code. Try that first. Then worry about the other things. Save newbies from unnecessary misery. :) We have your best interests at heart. We are your hope. Your new customer. Your next customer. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Mary, Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 11:11:06 PM you wrote: MB I just want to reinforce your advice to Britt Malka, which in his last MB post he seemed to be taking rather lightheartedly. I am not sure that I quite understand what you are saying here, but perhaps it is me, you are referring to, saying he. I am absolutely and very much a she ;-) And I didn't take any of your advice lightheartedly. I am sorry, if it sounded that way, it was certainly not my intention. MB Then, TB would not accept the registration key. Oh, you forgot your MB password. Oh, you don't know how to type. (Implications from Support MB Team.) I happen to get this complaint from customers from time to time. I always try it out on my own system. If it works, I advice them to re-download the installation file, which normally does the trick. Once I had a customer that it didn't work for, and I was very confused. Until he remembered that he had been using a cracked version, and he had to un-install it first :-) MB Listen to me, Britt Malka, and listen to Lourdes. We know what we are MB talking about. TB Support Team should listen, also. I know you do. Sometimes, though, it could be hardware that does the problem. I have been using Nielsen software (query) on my old computer, and I had no problems, but it doesn't work at all on my new computer with all the same software as on the old one. Must be hardware, I guess, then. MB Quit running off customers, blaming them and their hardware! :-) vbg I don't blame anybody. The only one here blaming anybody is you, who think you know what I am thinking. Which you don't, apparently. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... I'll be right back ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Secure connections to dedicated ports?
TBUDL members My company has implemented access to Microsoft Exchange over SSL. I have reconfigured TB at the Transport screen under account properties and set it to use a secure connection to the dedicated port for both SMTP and IMAP. According to this screen I am now making SMTP connections to port 465 and IMAP connections to port 993. However the account log says that TB is trying to make the IMAP connection to port 143, the regular port. I have shut down are restarted TB to see if the change required a restart to take effect, but that has made no difference. Does anyone know if TB actually does (try to) connect to the dedicated port (993) or still tries to connect to the regular port? Needless to say, I am not able to send or receive email on that account! Regards Robin -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
ON Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 9:30:08 PM, you wrote: L Good evening Gerard, L It was foretold that on 5-11-2002 20:36:12 GMT+0100 (which was L 20:36:12 where I live) Gerard would mumble: L snipped a bit G No, these are all the same single message that gets processes in steps. L What about this? If the subject meets your keyword, the message gets L flagged. This will have as a result, that, when the next filter needs L to look for the keywords in the body in the same message, that filter L will not work because you tell it that the message has to be L unflagged which can't be true because you just told it to flagg it. Almost, after the flagging filter is a filter that looks in the body and if certain keywords are present moves the the msg to a folder. The onluy option next to the leywords if Not Flagged. The result is that ALL msg that match the text in the body get movedm the one's with and without the flag set. L The not flagged condition will not work. Or am i misunderstanding L something here? (i'm a bit dense today). Btw, this might be to L obvious also but have you enabled continue processing with other L folders on the Options tab? You have to enable this if you want L TB! to L continue processing the next filter once this filter has been L triggered. Normally, if TB! finds a match it will stop the L filtering process at that point. Yep, that on was to obvious. As you can see from me explanation above I get flagged and non flaged msg were I only wanted the Non-Flagged. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf humanizes women, humbles their laughty natures, tends, in short, to knock out of their systems a certain modicum of that superciliousness, that swank, which makes wooing a tough proposition for the diffident male.==P.G Wodehouse - THE ROUGH STUFF == Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Secure connections to dedicated ports?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, November 05, 2002, Robin Anson wrote... My company has implemented access to Microsoft Exchange over SSL. I have reconfigured TB at the Transport screen under account properties and set it to use a secure connection to the dedicated port for both SMTP and IMAP. According to this screen I am now making SMTP connections to port 465 and IMAP connections to port 993. However the account log says that TB is trying to make the IMAP connection to port 143, the regular port. Unfortunately TB!s implementation of IMAP is rather crude and treats it more like a pop3 server than a true IMAP server. Along with this, TB! doesn't have true secure IMAP capabilities, hence what you are seeing in the logs. I'm waiting in anticipation for version 2 of TB! which is supposed to have a much better implementation of IMAP. Needless to say, I am not able to send or receive email on that account! You should be able to send fine... receiving I just explained ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPchMtCuD6BT4/R9zEQJLNQCeI/JOKAgGERMdju4uU0SjT7Zf7+EAoIUu 9Xqp4qVbx0zBY1+zmRYXNr3w =FaI+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Britt, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 4:25:31 PM, you wrote: BM Dear Mary, BM Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 11:11:06 PM you wrote: MB I just want to reinforce your advice to Britt Malka, which in his last MB post he seemed to be taking rather lightheartedly. BM I am not sure that I quite understand what you are saying here, but BM perhaps it is me, you are referring to, saying he. I am absolutely BM and very much a she ;-) I do apologize. The English language got in my way. We don't have any generic except a plural--and we are long past the nineteenth century when man and its pronouns meant both sexes. My fault, though. Thanks for letting me know. BM And I didn't take any of your advice lightheartedly. I am sorry, if it BM sounded that way, it was certainly not my intention. Lack of face-to-face communication. The little comment, sounded joking to me, in your Reply to Lourdes about translating Lourdes's advice. Sorry if I misunderstood. MB Then, TB would not accept the registration key. ... BM I happen to get this complaint from customers from time to BM time For you, it's not the first time to deal with it. For someone who is having her first experience with TB it's different. And when the ones who should know--I even dealt with one of TB's programmers early on in my difficulties, and he (sure it was a he this time g) misdiagnosed the problem BM I always try it out on my own system. If it works, I advice them to BM re-download the installation file, which normally does the trick. Once BM I had a customer that it didn't work for, and I was very confused. BM Until he remembered that he had been using a cracked version, and he BM had to un-install it first :-) I am sure you are doing your best and know much more than I do. But you did write to this list. And I am not the only one who has had a corrupt download recently. So I thought I should re-iterate my view, not just for you, but for everyone who reads here. MB Listen to me, Britt Malka, and listen to Lourdes. We know what we are MB talking about. TB Support Team should listen, also. BM I know you do. BM Sometimes, though, it could be hardware that does the problem. ... Granted. But this is TB. Try the re-dowhload first. Too much history of bad downloads here. BM ... I have BM been using Nielsen software (query) on my old computer, and I had no BM problems, but it doesn't work at all on my new computer with all the BM same software as on the old one. Must be hardware, I guess, then. As I say, I know only about this one thing. And that is from *recent* personal experience. snip BM ... The only one here blaming anybody is you, who BM think you know what I am thinking. Which you don't, apparently. I did not say that I blamed you. I did read your post--perhaps incorrectly--as questioning what your customer had done. I have never thought I knew what you were thinking. I just knew what I wanted to advise: When it's The Bat!, try a re-download first. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Secure connections to dedicated ports?
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 4:56:46 PM, Jonathan wrote: JA I'm waiting in anticipation for version 2 of TB! JA which is supposed to have a much better implementation of IMAP. As am I! Anyone have an idea of when we might see it? -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 11:11:06 PM, Mary Bull wrote: [snip] The middle of October, 2002, I downloaded a corrupt copy of The Bat! It behaved in a number of bad ways, a few of which I sent as examples [snip] Corrupt TB copy? Strange but who knows... anything can happen if you work with computers. /-: First, I should say that TCP/IP is reliable protocol blah blah..., but I don't say this, because I know that sometimes you download a file partially (i.e. a few KBytes are missing form the end of the file) and you don't get a warning message... this is utterly *pathetic*, but unfortunately true (to prevent misunderstandings: not the mistake of TCP/IP). But the TB installer detects such problems. If you download the installer partially, even if 1 byte is missing, it will stop with Archive is damaged. And in the unlikely case when the value of a byte has been changed inside the installer somehow (e.g. because of instable RAM modules...), it is almost absolutely sure that the installer will stop with CRC error. So I guess the chance that your copy is corrupted *and* you can install it is 0 in practice. -- Best regards, Daniel Dekany Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Mary, Wednesday, November 6, 2002 at 12:10:01 AM you wrote: MB I do apologize. The English language got in my way. We don't have any MB generic except a plural I am born in Denmark, but have lived in France the last 2 and almost ½ years. French is clearer. There it would have been obvious after a few sentences that I was female. MB My fault, though. It's okay. MB Lack of face-to-face communication. The little comment, sounded joking MB to me, in your Reply to Lourdes about translating Lourdes's advice. Sorry if MB I misunderstood. No, actually I was quite serious. I was/am really impressed by his answer which was very accurate. MB For you, it's not the first time to deal with it. For someone who is MB having her first experience with TB it's different. Yes, I know. I am not only a re-seller of The Bat! I am a writer too, and I write mostly for beginners to computers, the Internet and all that. MB And when the ones who should know--I even dealt with one of TB's MB programmers early on in my difficulties, and he (sure it was a MB he this time g) misdiagnosed the problem It could happen, of course. Their first language isn't English either. MB And I am not the only one who has had a corrupt download recently. It is a shame :-( MB So I thought I should re-iterate my view, not just for you, but MB for everyone who reads here. Yes, of course. MB Granted. But this is TB. Try the re-dowhload first. Too much history MB of bad downloads here. It is often my first advice. MB I did not say that I blamed you. I did read your post--perhaps MB incorrectly--as questioning what your customer had done. Yes, that was incorrect, because he is a very knowing and competent user. He was, btw annoyed that you wrote about cracked software :-) but I told him that I thought you meant my version, because it says Malka Superbat! as X-Mailer (X-ray does it). Good thing that we have cleared all the misunderstandings up. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration? ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, 5-Nov-2002, 22:59 +0100 (21:59 UK time) Daniel Dekany [DD] in mid:15289192500.20021105225958;freemail.hu said: As Allie quite rightly and clearly says, quoting blank lines doesn't work well in any but one of TB's multiple range of quoting options. DD (Huh???) TB can quote using these in front of the quote mark: Nothing Initials Firstname Lastname Fullname Custom Only the first of these works with the scheme you're nagging for. It's this only one of six makes sense that makes it a non-viable option for TB to quote in the way you are proposing, no matter *what* other MUA you are talking to. Anyway, the fact that you are asking for it only proves to me that you don't trim your quotes enough ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9yFY6OeQkq5KdzaARApaUAKDrw0wQu7c1fwuH1hSbheP8d/jNTACfT9N2 HqNIAU+jDcZruyFg/c7xePE= =br6a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, 5-Nov-2002, 21:41 +0100 (20:41 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in mid:5840573431.20021105214141;ermspain.com said: MAU I'm a TB user and aside of TB lists I don't talk to hardly MAU any TB users. Probably 95% or even more of my e-mail is from MAU non-TB users. You missed my point. You use TB. TB is configured and built to write messages as TB, not as Not TB. If you don't want to write replies with the format TB uses then this version of TB is may not be what you need to be using for your messaging. If TB does pretty much everything else as you want, I would suggest that this cosmetic issue is probably far more minor than the energy expended on this thread would suggest. Frankly the quoting (or not) of blank lines is *so* irrelevant that I would doubt that it would be considered a necessary option in the least. MAU *You* think it is irrelevant. Actually, it's the TB designers that thought it irrelevant. It would be more accurate to say that I just happen not to care. The truth is that it's a moot point for me because I usually write my comments on one quoted sentence at a time, sometimes (but rarely) a whole paragraph but almost never *more* than one paragraph. Netiquette calls for greater attention to snipping and trimming g. MAU There is people like Daniel and myself who don't think the MAU same. And you care that much? Over whether a line that has nothing in it has the right prefix? I find that a) hard to believe and b) a little pedantic. But, as you say, each to his own. Speaking entirely personally, I wouldn't like to see this changed in TB. Nor would I like to see any code wasted on bloating TB with this as optional functionality. Post it on the wish list and see what happens. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9yFdAOeQkq5KdzaARAlWSAKC4XJTxQ/EBb2n5Rgf6YwaS9CvwwQCgiwEz dxiSajF+hyfXP36W/grchn4= =w8Ag -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Hello Marck, snipped quite a bit Post it on the wish list and see what happens. You should know by now that I don't post to the wishlist. You know my theory. Deaf not wanting to hear... I may have missed your point and you may have missed mine. My only intention when initially participating in this thread was to say that Daniel was not alone and that, if quoting was ever going to be changed, it should be left optional to do it one way or the other to satisfy everybody. I use TB because I am quite (very) satisfied with its overall functionality and performance, but TB is not perfect. And I agree this quoting issue is actually cosmetic, specially in my case when for 90% of my e-mail (mainly business e-mail) I top-post and quote the full %Text below my signature. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Customer cannot open mail
Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 11:30:03 PM, Britt wrote in message mid:4257807875.20021106003003;malka.dk BM He was, btw annoyed that you wrote about cracked software :-) Is this perhaps another language misunderstanding - in that cracked can mean broken as I suspect Mary meant - whereas in software terms cracked also means pirated, i.e. illegal? -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %Quotes doesn't quote empty lines
Miguel A. Urech wrote... MAU You should know by now that I don't post to the wishlist. You know my MAU theory. Deaf not wanting to hear... I feel your pain. Personally I have just one wish: That the promises made for Ver. 2 in the last millennium may come true in this one. ^^; (On this particular issue, I very much like the way TB! places its citation markers, refusing to clutter up blank lines with them.) -- John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org(renewed today) Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Anne, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 6:14:57 PM, you wrote: A Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 11:30:03 PM, Britt wrote in message A mid:4257807875.20021106003003;malka.dk BM He was, btw annoyed that you wrote about cracked software :-) A Is this perhaps another language misunderstanding - in that cracked A can mean broken as I suspect Mary meant - whereas in software terms A cracked also means pirated, i.e. illegal? Yes, I meant broken. I did not know that cracked had the other meaning of pirated or illegal. The Bat! Customer Support had used that term to me. But I had downloaded everything from the beginning from Ritlabs. So I thought he meant faulty code. And the code was faulty. Ritlabs Customer Support said that to me in my long correspondence with them. Well, people of goodwill can always overcome problems, even language problems. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message box problem
Hello Michael, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 8:43:20 PM, you wrote: MB Just upgraded to latest version but when I try to write in MB message box, only first letter prints. Cannot find the way MB to set this correctly. Try re-installing. It's not unknown for a bad install to cause all sorts of problems :-( -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[8]: Customer cannot open mail
Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 12:44:33 AM, Mary wrote in message mid:1092419288.20021105184433;premiernet.net MB Yes, I meant broken. I did not know that cracked had the other MB meaning MB of pirated or illegal. I figured as much Mary - PC's have their own language irrespective of the native tongues of their users! ;-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Britt, Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 12:46:21 PM, you wrote: BM Tuesday, November 5, 2002 BM Dear tbudl, BM I hope someone here can figure out what is wrong... snip customers problem I have just seen this thread and read all of it - I think that since re-installing TB! doesn't cure the problem then there is possibly another problem on the system causing a conflict with TB! I'm think more graphics card issues or even a corrupted Windows system itself. Has he tried re-installing Windows and/or upgrading the graphics card drivers ? -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Mary, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:11:06 -0600 GMT (06/11/02, 05:11 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: TB Support Team should listen, also. [...] We have your best interests at heart. We are your hope. Your new customer. Your next customer. You do know that they are not reading this list, right? TBUDL (The Bat USER's Discussion List) is a user-to-user helplist. Just thought I'd mention it. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Character Set Problems
Hello 8o4q-skup, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:23:24 -0700 GMT (06/11/02, 03:23 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As some of you know, I have a particular interest in using Korean with The Bat! I don't remember that, but maybe it's because I find your name so difficult to pronounce and to remember. All I have here are Latin-1, Central European (2 entries), Cyrillic (7), and Ukrainian. Can anyone tell me how I can get the missing character sets? I'm sure I installed something in the past that gave them to me, but I just can't remember what 8-(. I got all the new character set options when I installed 1.61, I believe. I have also installed a new version of the intpack.exe somewhere a long the line, but I am not sure whether this has only to do with the interface language or also with the encodings. Try downloading and installing the new intpack onto the computer where Japanese is missing, and see whether it helps. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Avoid cliches like the plague (They're old hat.) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cut line
I'm sorry to revisit the cut line discussion, but I notice a lot of inconsistency in the operation thereof. In all my messages from TBUDL, the cut line works just fine. However, in most of my other mail, the whole sig gets quoted. Is there something I'm supposed to change in a template or something? Jeanny -- Jeanny House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eau Claire, WI The Bat! v. 1.61 - Windows XP Prof. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Customer cannot open mail
Hello Britt, On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, 5:30:03 PM, Britt Malka wrote: Wednesday, November 6, 2002 at 12:10:01 AM you wrote: MB Lack of face-to-face communication. The little comment, sounded joking MB to me, in your Reply to Lourdes about translating Lourdes's advice. Sorry if MB I misunderstood. No, actually I was quite serious. I was/am really impressed by his answer which was very accurate. That would be her answer (I was female last time I checked). :) Seriously though, those steps *should* eliminate any problems caused by a faulty The Bat! installation. If that doesn't work it's time to see if there is a system problem. Everything installed by The Bat! is in that directory structure. The only other files needed are basic controls provided by windows (it does not supply any of them so there will be no version problems caused by it's installation). For the curious, the dependencies on Win98SE (as shown by Dependency Walker) are: advapi32.dll, comctl32.dll, comdlg32.dll, gdi32.dll, kernel32.dll, mpr.dll, msvcrt.dll, ole32.dll, oleaut32.dll, shell32.dll, shlwapi.dll, user32.dll, version.dll, winspool.drv. If you have a problem with any of those then you're entire system is going to be acting strangely. On the other hand the easy fix is to upgrade/reinstall a copy of Internet Explorer since it provides updates for most of those files. After that we're either looking at a scrambled registry or faulty hardware. -- Best regards, Lourdes Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
antivirus plug-ins?
Does checking anything on the virus protection window actually make a difference if you do *not* have Kaspersky installed? Also, are there any antivirus external plug-ins available? $100 for Kaspersky Pro version which allows integration is simply not an option here. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cut line
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:463263625.20021105222124;fastmail.fm, Jeanny House [JH] wrote:' JH In all my messages from TBUDL, the cut line works just fine. JH However, in most of my other mail, the whole sig gets quoted. Is JH there something I'm supposed to change in a template or JH something? You don't have the space after the double dash. Insert the space and you'll be OK. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE9yKXAV8nrYCsHF+IRApf7AKCONWXpIRRH7/JjR47yR1O3O7aMtgCfaGJC 1lCRE/cAsepCsQBPEJ9msIk= =/IIf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Character Set Problems
Hi, Thomas. On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:00 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, November 05, 2002, 7:07 PM -0700 GMT here, you wrote: Hello 8o4q-skup, On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:23:24 -0700 GMT (06/11/02, 03:23 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As some of you know, I have a particular interest in using Korean with The Bat! I don't remember that, but maybe it's because I find your name so difficult to pronounce and to remember. ROTFL! I did sign my message, didn't I? (Sorry--forgot to put my full name in the template 8-).) I got all the new character set options when I installed 1.61, I believe. I have also installed a new version of the intpack.exe somewhere a long the line, but I am not sure whether this has only to do with the interface language or also with the encodings. Try downloading and installing the new intpack onto the computer where Japanese is missing, and see whether it helps. I went to the Web page and read the description and it looked like it was just the interface language; but it's worth a try! Thanks. -- Keith Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Customer cannot open mail
Dear Lourdes, Wednesday, November 6, 2002 at 5:45:40 AM you wrote: LJ That would be her answer (I was female last time I checked). :) Ooups... You too. I am deeply sorry :-) Our client is in fact using Win98, so thank you for mentioning all the dll-files involved. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... And tears of selfpity floaded my innocent eyes. ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! v1.61 (7BA406E8D52) under Windows 2000 5.0 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
