Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:11:56 +0530 GMT (03/12/02, 12:41 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: Are your software reviews on the internet, so we can read a bit? Thanks to all of those who replied. Indeed amny of the reviews are online. I am webmaster and Editor for the Colony Computer User Group. http://ccug.apcug.org the newsletter section has all my reviews. I am very glad you didn't write this one here: http://ccug.apcug.org/newsApr02.htm ;-) Planning to write one on the Bat! I am a recent user still getting my feet wet...that's why the elementary question. Please continue to ask. I encourage you to write one on The Bat!, and we are more than willing to address the issue why pink 24 pt font on green background might look good to the sender but is not really appreciated by many recipients. Not even the embedded animations. And why I don't want to receive a wave file playing Jingle Bells in every email (I receive 100-200 per day) from now until Christmas Day. Or any other wave file, until Judgement Day. Even if I weren't on pay-per-minute dial-up. But my main reason for using TB is what it does do. My entry point was that multiple accounts are strictly kept seperately. The second most important thing for me is the unmatched filtering ability (and yes, mail can be filtered across accounts, automatically or manually). The fact that the deveoplers actually listen to us and improve according to our suggestions. Or this list, which in itself is a strong advantage for any novice to this program. Templates in which you can use anything from simple macros to a highly complicated scripting language. Thus, TB is easy to use for the beginner, who wants to use only simple functions, but it also has a myriad of features that email-geeks like (you find several people on this list that have Emailaholics International mentioned as Organisation in their mail header). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup an AV correctly for TB!
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:18:11 +0100 Eddie Castelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - is my current AV strong enough to handle newer kind of malisious code such as the 'eicar'? Ok, I have to laugh about this one line. :-) Eicar is a harmless program which AV manufactures provide as a test for their virus scanners. Any virus scanner should be capable of handling Eicar since it doesn't actually do anything harmful. You may wish to review the information on this webpage: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm I haven't used (for any real length of time) most of the virus scanners mentioned in the rest of your message so I can't comment on them. -- Best regards, Jonathanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Compuserve
Dear Batters, I stopped using Compuserve as an email client about 7 years ago, but I still have a lot of email on my hard disk. I can read it with Quick View Plus but not with Mailbag Assistant. I have tried importing it into The Bat, but so far unsuccessfully. Any ideas anyone? TIA Maurice Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Marck, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:27 + your time, you said: MDP ... This version of TB is text-centric and many of us appreciate it MDP that way. Indeed, and I personally have no wish to send or receive LookOut style messages via The Bat!; If I wanted all the superfluous decorative paraphernalia that goes with OL and OLE type clients I'd have stuck with M$'s pitiful offerings. - - and I'll be first in the queue with my trusty rectification stick ready to wrap the knuckles of the first person this year to send we a ruddy *funny* Xmas carol wav and a dancing Santa animation via LookOut or LookOut Express email! grr MDP Version 2, currently under development is scheduled to include HTML MDP composition. Many die-hard users are still disgusted with this and are MDP threatening jumping ship should it indeed be the case. The Thomas Murner expression springs to my mind here: Das kindt mit dem bad vß schitten, or in my tongue, To throw the baby out with the bath water. If all of the great features present in this version of TB! are carried over to the elusive v2, and other often requested features are to be added to v2 as well, it would be completely foolish IMO to even begin to consider dumping TB! simply because of the inclusion of an option that you don't wish to make use of yourself. Let's face it, people send HTML mail, and we still receive it, and using TB! doesn't prevent that from occurring. Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #3065. Way Qed Is Slum Orr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPey488tub/5cfolmEQJOzACgnqM7dB26a78TDBDcjbfTcmS3ELYAnR7L GwsrUv0z7SYlmchmyGZTrich =7v6l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 08:59 am, Simon wrote: Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) The only time I find html mail useful is on certain newsletters I receive. As far as email from friends, I despise the bloated crap produced by clients like Outlook or that despicable Incredimail. :-) But at the same time, TB should offer better html support. And it could do so without relying on Internet Explorer DLLs. Let's take a look at one of TB's competitors, Pocomail. It has its own rendering engine that isn't dependent on IE or Netscape/Mozilla. It also offers the ability to toggle on/off the downloading of images referenced by the html mail, so the web bug trick used by spammers won't work. This is the route TB needs to take. Like it or not html mail is here to stay and Ritlabs ignoring it won't gain them any new customers. For the purist, there could be an option to disable html mail entirely, much like KMail for the KDE desktop in Linux does. -- Regards, Don Zeigler www.donzeigler.com Unofficial support forum for the Bat! the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com I'm a Linux user in a Windoze world This mail powered by KMail and Mandrake Linux Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering on cc: field
Is it correct that there is no way to filter on the cc: field? (For example, to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients.) -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Don, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:27:42 -0500 your time, you said: DZ The only time I find html mail useful is on certain newsletters I DZ receive. I can't even abide html newsletters Don! Sign up for a text based email, and recieve an html one instead :-/ An I just loathe the newsletters loaded with 101 ruddy images, all trying to resolve at the same time, and when they don't you get a load of crumby placeholders and an almost indecipherable page of misplaced markup rubbish. Send me a flipping link I say; I don't need or want html newsletters. DZ But at the same time, TB should offer better html support. Yes, I agree there. DZ It also offers the ability to toggle on/off the downloading of images DZ referenced by the html mail, so the web bug trick used by spammers DZ won't work. I'd like to see such a feature in TB!. Better still, auto-bounce any html messages so the sender gets the hint g DZ Like it or not html mail is here to stay and Ritlabs ignoring it won't DZ gain them any new customers. Well yes, and that's the case really isn't it, and others being parochial and stubborn about it is just shortsighted in my not so humble opinion. I think the possible revolt of a dedicated section of its existing user base over this issue must be a little worrying for RITLABS. Nonetheless, I personally wouldn't consider such a revolt to be good enough reason to not move forward. You are always going to lose a few on the way, that's just the way things are! - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #1990. Warm Qed Irs Lousy ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPezHy8tub/5cfolmEQKN+ACgk57ysGKXhokcH5ON21uthUZ/GTYAnRkS S+vAu+g4+tY1naYkDB0RXhBa =dDoX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
Hello Joseph, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:56:09 -0600 GMT (03/12/02, 21:56 +0700 GMT), Joseph N. wrote: Is it correct that there is no way to filter on the cc: field? (For example, to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients.) No, this is not correct, and yes, you can do it. ;-) It involves a regex though. Let me guess (untested): ^TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presence: Yes Location: Kludges There is also a way to allow zero to many characters between the TO and your address (in case your address is in the TO line, but it is the second of two). But that's beyond me. Under the Advanced tab, check [X] Regular Expressions. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. On a Korean kitchen knife... Warning: Keep out of children. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Hello Simon, Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 1:59:47 PM, you wrote: S it would be completely foolish IMO to even begin to consider S dumping TB! simply because of the inclusion of an option that you S don't wish to make use of yourself. I'd like to know what other mailer those who say they would dump TB! if it became capable of creating HTML mail would go to since many other mailers already have this function. -- Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Messages restored from parts...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Chiropter Operators, - From the latest TB! beta text: TB!b17 [-] Messages restored from parts were not checked for viruses Does this mean that the problem discussed in thread antivirus plugin with fragmented email beginning with [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has now been addressed? - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2434. Qua Dress Rimy Owl ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPezcsMtub/5cfolmEQIUHwCeL+hnV2eLDkIePCt0klZjWti+5EIAnit3 RAHaBu7xtE4SX1EEvt2f1IOE =+KbB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages restored from parts...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, @3-Dec-2002, 16:32 Simon said: - From the latest TB! beta text: TB!b17 [-] Messages restored from parts were not checked for TB!b17 viruses Does this mean that the problem discussed in thread antivirus plugin with fragmented email beginning with [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has now been addressed? Yes, and isn't this a matter for TBBETA? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE97OCEOeQkq5KdzaARAnxYAKD6oNeCvH3cGf5ztPCgoMNxQMuf8gCgxcjr XGl7wtxLkYxlwu9LhTB3X58= =artR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages restored from parts...
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Simon wrote: TB!b17 [-] Messages restored from parts were not checked for viruses Does this mean that the problem discussed in thread antivirus plugin with fragmented email beginning with [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has now been addressed? it is very long thread and I have no time to read it. Actual status: If are received all parts, they are joined to original message and this message is sent to plugin for virus checking. Before Beta/17 message was joined but not sent to plugin. -- Marek Mikus Czech Support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML mail
Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 2:55:07 PM, you wrote: I am very glad you didn't write this one here: http://ccug.apcug.org/newsApr02.htm ;-) :-) ... yeah... Imagine the flames it would set up here...rushing for fireproof clothing. Please continue to ask. I encourage you to write one on The Bat! Coming up soon...December newsletter...or at most Jan. Templates in which you can use anything from simple macros to a highly complicated scripting language. Thus, TB is easy to use for the beginner, who wants to use only simple functions, but it also has a myriad of features that email-geeks like (you find several people on this list that have Emailaholics International mentioned as Organisation in their mail header). Macros are what I plan to learn next. I already do VB so it should not be *too* difficult. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages restored from parts...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Marck, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:49:07 + your time, you said: MDP Yes, and isn't this a matter for TBBETA? Yes, and no. The fact that the referenced subject of unscanned fragmented messages drew 71 replies in TBDUL suggested to me that a few people might like to know about it, that's all .. no disrespect intended, and I'll refrain from mentioning anything 'beta' on TBDUL in the future if they are the rules :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #1522. Law Red Squirmy So ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPezjSstub/5cfolmEQKwFQCgs8ZAVXWd9mXmMWISM6plFYA0WAUAn3ry JTHHyv5gaACOykRGzIWZ0jy6 =rGRX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Is it possible to use the Alternative Forward method only for selected contacts in my address book ? I ask because my Mother (you may remember her, she exchanges lots of funnies with her friends HTML animated Gifs etc. She switched to the Bat and is very happy but has problems when she forwards these abominations) has a friend whom I believe is using Outlook on XP who insists she cannot open .msg files. I set my Mums Bat to always forward using .msg but this friend wants her to forward in line. Can anyone offer any advice that I can forward to help her open .msg files because If Mum starts using non mime forwarding all her funnies will end up as just a series of attachments and the rest of her friends will complain. P.S. I am always always trying to convince people that HTML mail is the spawn of the devil __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bounce Mail
One feature I would like is to have TB bounce my mail. Mailwasher does it effortlessly...generates a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and mails it back to the recipient...TB should be able to handle it without losing sleep about it. Anyway to do it using Macros or scripts? -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S/MIME Signature and envelope indicator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Chiropter Operators, I have noticed that messages cryptographically signed in MIME format show up in TB! with a dinky little Bat inside a circle on the message glyph when read and unread. Would there be any way to do this with PGP encrypted messages as well? - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #312. Squad O'er Swirl My ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPezqH8tub/5cfolmEQLfHgCfRUvVWtlkiuwvbb7hifSiEQvW5HYAoMBR SCucgV0WcKK1dfcXvkKYeLC5 =i0b/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup an AV correctly for TB!
Hello Jonathan! On Tuesday, December 3, 2002 at 10:35:02 AM you wrote: - is my current AV strong enough to handle newer kind of malisious code such as the 'eicar'? Ok, I have to laugh about this one line. :-) To add something. F-Secure is one of the strongest - if not *the* strongest - AV programmes on the market. It uses two (the XP version: three) scan engines. The point is to update your virus definition base regularly. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Shoot them all - let GOD sort them out. (Grandpa Simpson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Hi, Richard Evans wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : My Mother [...] has a friend whom I believe is using Outlook on XP who insists she cannot open .msg files. I think the problem might be just the extension. If they are named .eml they might be openable. Yet, I don't know how to convince the Bat to name the forwarded files .eml, sorry. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME Signature and envelope indicator
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, on Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:30:07 +GMT (03.12.02, 18:30 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : gpg: Signature made 12/03/02 18:30:07 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit using DSA key ID 5C7E8966 gpg: Good signature from Simon Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] S I have noticed that messages cryptographically signed in MIME format show S up in TB! with a dinky little Bat inside a circle on the message glyph when S read and unread. Would there be any way to do this with PGP encrypted S messages as well? I don't think so. S/MIME comes as an attachment which can be indicated as that, whereas PGP is plain text. However, there might be a way to somehow mark a PGP message by using RegExp on the -PGP part, but don't ask me details... ;-) - -- Cheers Peter Nobody can hurt me without my permission. Mohandas Gandhi Winamp currently playing: Andrews Sisters Bing Crosby - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town ° -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1-nr1 (Windows 98) Comment: *GnuPG signed for better authentication* iD8DBQE97O2BAzZSBuEHdM4RAr9cAJ9fFei+zG7XrpNx4yTUdILcddcTJwCg8gHR sy8nh7LrfshmEHmEqOtH1As= =6XRK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
* Mean Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One feature I would like is to have TB bounce my mail. Why? -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bounce Mail
Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 11:41:28 PM, you wrote: * Mean Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One feature I would like is to have TB bounce my mail. Why? It sometimes helps to have your email removed from spam lists. I agree a lot of addresses from where spam originates are fake but from what sppam I receive, a majority of the addresses are genuine. I don't to mail in unsubscribe-me mails and a bounce is usually good enough to delete you from their database. What is lost anyway. I used to do it using Mailwasher but it is a pain to open one program, review the headers and bounce or delete mails and then open the default email client and receive the rest of it. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean Drake, On or about Monday, December 02, 2002 at 02:46:32GMT +0530 (which was 4:16 PM in the tropics where I live) Mean Drake scribbled; MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) NO! Thank God! E-mail was NEVER intended to be pretty, just brief and to the point.. If TB! ever adds it, especially without the option to DUMP it, I will be an instant EX-Batter! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Spike, On Tuesday, 3. December 2002 at 14:11:00 [GMT -0500] you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) NO! Thank God! E-mail was NEVER intended to be pretty, just brief and to the point.. If TB! ever adds it, especially without the option to DUMP it, I will be an instant EX-Batter! So i will do!!! God save us that this never will happen. -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62 Beta/17 | Windows XP PGP: 6.58 ckt Build 8 - Key 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://www.thebat.int.tc/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering on cc: field
Thomas, Many thanks. I'll give it a try. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:51:44 PM RE: Bounce Mail Greetings Mean, On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 1:42:26 PM, you wrote: MD Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 11:41:28 PM, you wrote: * Mean Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One feature I would like is to have TB bounce my mail. Why? MD It sometimes helps to have your email removed from spam lists. I agree MD a lot of addresses from where spam originates are fake but from what MD sppam I receive, a majority of the addresses are genuine. I don't to MD mail in unsubscribe-me mails and a bounce is usually good enough to MD delete you from their database. And a bounce is also good for having spambots validate e-mail addresses depending on the routing path of the bounce. If The_Bat! was the bouncer it shows the mail bounced from The_Bat!'s receiver address, back through your ISP's SMTP server to the originator's SMTP server and bang, the recipient's address (yours) was valid and validated. This is how you plan to stop spam in your inbox? NOT! - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Bug? That's not a bug, that's a feature. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPe0o0WGmTEg4iItaEQITLgCfbiQvJbY/Xou0h/BQgp8ONuSuqg8AmwZU 6VidgyLuiGxOxPd7Xxy03tcD =o/n/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: S/MIME Signature and envelope indicator
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:45:07 +0100 Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S I have noticed that messages cryptographically signed in MIME S format show up in TB! with a dinky little Bat inside a circle on S the message glyph when read and unread. Would there be any S way to do this with PGP encrypted messages as well? I don't think so. S/MIME comes as an attachment which can be indicated as that, whereas PGP is plain text. PGP signatures can come as attachments also. This message is an example. But I think it has to be supported by the mail client. -- Best regards, Jonathanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg51743/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HTML mail
On Tuesday, December 03, 2002 Kevin stated: K I'd like to know what other mailer those who say they would dump TB! K if it became capable of creating HTML mail would go to since many K other mailers already have this function. Easy .. keep the last non-html creating version of TB! -- never upgrade. IMO it isnt so much the reading writing of HTML but all the BLOAT that it puts into a once tight, well working, single function email client. If a lot of these new options were plugins then those of us who want a small client program without all the bloat can be happy as well. Cheers Yall \\' -- Running TB! version 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III with 512mb Ram Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME Signature and envelope indicator
Hello Jonathan, On Tuesday, December 3, 2002 at 11:15:59 PM you [JC] wrote (at least in part): I have noticed that messages cryptographically signed in MIME format show up in TB! with a dinky little Bat inside a circle on the message glyph when read and unread. Would there be any way to do this with PGP encrypted messages as well? I don't think so. S/MIME comes as an attachment which can be indicated as that, whereas PGP is plain text. PGP signatures can come as attachments also. This message is an example. But I think it has to be supported by the mail client. It has. And there's a big difference between S/MIME signed and PGP/MIME signed messages: ,-= [ S/MIME ] =- | Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol=application/pkcs7-signature; | micalg=sha1; boundary=--EA1CAB733401F57 `-= ,-= [ PGP/MIME ] =- | Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol=application/pgp-signature; | micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary==.SIbCX1.4Pt(gu+ `-= The Bat! signs the mails in message list according to application/pkcs7-signature, it does not even verify the signature for doing so. application/pgp-signature is (yet, I hope) unknown to The Bat! and therefore shown as real attachment and not treated as signing in any way :-/ -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) The woman is man's best friend! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Hi TBUDL, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 18:34:50 [GMT +0100] you wrote: MG I think the problem might be just the extension. If they are named MG .eml they might be openable. Yet, I don't know how to convince the Bat MG to name the forwarded files .eml, sorry. I thought .msg was an internet standard ? if not any ideas about how to forward html mails to outlook users in one piece ? -- Pure E-mail with The Bat! v1.62/Beta16 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Unfortunately I'm writing this without the aid of music Thought for the day Without music, life would be a mistake. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo DG, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:57:39 -0500 your time, you said: DRS And a bounce is also good for having spambots validate e-mail addresses DRS depending on the routing path of the bounce. snip This is how you DRS plan to stop spam in your inbox? NOT! I use Mailwasher as well. The bounce feature is excellent, and if the author of Mailwasher can do this: How does MailWasher bounce messages? A. MailWasher uses an algorithm to determine the best route to send the bounced message back (from, reply to, return path) and actually sends the bounce back via your ISP's postmaster, so it looks exactly like it has come from your ISP and not from you at your address. If the spammer has used a fake address, then your bounce message will itself be bounced back to the postmaster and you won't receive the bounced bounce email. ...I suspect that the nice folk at RITLABS wouldn't find it too difficult either g In fact, I added this as a feature request to be added to the Mail 'Dispatcher', among others :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #2324. Squaw Rid Rome Sly ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe0xpctub/5cfolmEQKprQCgwZ9MBs/P9zlI41Kwd4AQH+gO0QsAn1gE bKT/0P5NUo+Az22utT84EioM =yad1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 at 22:06:29 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: Is it correct that there is no way to filter on the cc: field? (For example, to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients.) ^TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presence: Yes Location: Kludges I'm not sure this does what Joseph wants (if I understand him correctly). It tests the presence of the a certain address appearing in the TO field, but doesn't preclude those with CC recipients. For that purpose, a second condition has to be added: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Tuesday, 12/3/2002, 2:44 PM Hi Simon, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 13:59:47 [GMT +] (which was 5:59 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML mail' S Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be S introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring S more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good S thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users S would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - S well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) We don't come out from behind the trees very often. ;) Just to defend our text mailer. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul I miss my ex-wifebut my aim is improving. Powered by The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
AB templates
TheBat-users, One aspect of TB is starting to annoy me. On some mailing lists the sender of the original mail is in the From field. Sometimes I have this original sender in an address book group (with an attached AB template) so on replying I get the AB template of the _sender_ and not of the list which I want to use when I reply to sender and the list (reply all). Can anything be done about this? I have the problem with other aspects a well (as witnessed below). _Please_ help. ,- [ Mail of Nov 22nd to TBUDL ] | I have a company (Account A) and all customers are automatically added | to an address book group, let's call it X. | | I have some friends in another address book (Y). The address book is | set so that replies to members of that group is automatically sent from | Account B. | | When I reply to friends (in AB Y) who are _also_ customers (in AB X), | the account automatically changes to B, although account A is active. | This makes perfect sense. | | How do I avoid this? Folder templates? And how do I fix it for new | messages? | | Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a | mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the | signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels buggy. `- -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62/Beta16 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 /os Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 at 17:06:53 + (GMT) Richard Evans wrote: Is it possible to use the Alternative Forward method only for selected contacts in my address book ? By alternative forward I guess you mean not to use MIME standard for forwarding, right? (From your description, you use MIME forwarding by default, though that's not TB's default setting.) As the setting is a per-account setting, I guess there's no way to get around it for a specific contact other that setting up another account (in TB) for that purpose. (I might be wrong, since I've been away from TBUDL for so long, my knowledge is definitely outdated.) Should I be right, the simple way is to set up an address book entry for that recipient, and define a special forward template for it (use %TEXT or %QUOTE to quote the original message text). It's not exactly elegant, for the use MIME... setting at the account level is still in effect, so the recipient will get the forwarded content both in the message body and as an .msg attachment. But at least it gets the job done. If there's a more elegant solution, I'm sure the more experienced people will jump in soon. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Compuserve
Hallo Maurice, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:15:11 +0100GMT (3-12-02, 14:15 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MM I stopped using Compuserve as an email client about 7 years MM ago, but I still have a lot of email on my hard disk. I can MM read it with Quick View Plus but not with Mailbag MM Assistant. I have tried importing it into The Bat, but so MM far unsuccessfully. What format does 'Quick View Plus' support for exporting mail? TB can import from various types. BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's not the best thing to do for the following reason. The Bat is able to thread messages properly, in order to see what I mean, just select the folder where you're storing the messages from this list. Go to the menu: view - view threads by - references. Now you'll see that all messages are lined up after the message to which they're first, second (or whatever) level replies to. You started what's essentially a new thread by replying to another message. That means it shows up as listed in another thread. Since people sometimes skip messages in threads they don't consider interesting (for lack of time). They might skip your message too, since they're not aware of the newly started thread. So next time you'd do yourself a favor by sending a new message in stead of a reply, because you're reaching a larger audience and one of those might have the answer you've been waiting for. This is not not meant to criticize you, but only to help you appreciate the options TB offers and to be able to get more effect out of your efforts. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME Signature and envelope indicator
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:30:18 +0100 Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jonathan, On Tuesday, December 3, 2002 at 11:15:59 PM you [JC] wrote (at least in part): I have noticed that messages cryptographically signed in MIME format show up in TB! with a dinky little Bat inside a circle on the message glyph when read and unread. Would there be any way to do this with PGP encrypted messages as well? I don't think so. S/MIME comes as an attachment which can be indicated as that, whereas PGP is plain text. PGP signatures can come as attachments also. This message is an example. But I think it has to be supported by the mail client. It has. And there's a big difference between S/MIME signed and PGP/MIME signed messages: ,-= [ S/MIME ] =- | Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol=application/pkcs7-signature; | micalg=sha1; boundary=--EA1CAB733401F57 `-= ,-= [ PGP/MIME ] =- | Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol=application/pgp-signature; | micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary==.SIbCX1.4Pt(gu+ `-= I may be overlooking something, but the only real difference that I see in the example you list above is the protocal. The Bat! signs the mails in message list according to application/pkcs7-signature, it does not even verify the signature for doing so. application/pgp-signature is (yet, I hope) unknown to The Bat! and therefore shown as real attachment and not treated as signing in any way :-/ I think I'm in agreement with your implied issue with TB!'s handling of S/MIME signatures. I'd really like to know why TB! won't let me delete them like every other attachment. /sigh Once I've verified the signature on an e-mail once I don't really need it anymore. It is a waste of space. It may not seem like a lot but over time it adds up. Consider that a recent S/MIME signed message sent to this list consisted of 1008 bytes of text, and a S/MIME signature of 2.2 kilobytes. This means that roughly 2/3 of the total message was the signature. -- Best regards, Jonathanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates
Hallo Peter, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:54:00 +0100GMT (3-12-02, 23:54 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: PF One aspect of TB is starting to annoy me. On some mailing lists the PF sender of the original mail is in the From field. Sometimes I have PF this original sender in an address book group (with an attached AB PF template) so on replying I get the AB template of the _sender_ and not PF of the list which I want to use when I reply to sender and the list PF (reply all). I suppose that while reading your messages, you're having the headers of the message shown too. As the general list setup is such that the messages have the list address as To: address, you can right click the To:-header (the list address) and you'll get a four option menu. Select 'Reply to this address' and you're done, now you can use whatever template you'd like. What your other problems concern PF | When I reply to friends (in AB Y) who are _also_ customers (in AB X), PF | the account automatically changes to B, although account A is active. PF | This makes perfect sense. PF | PF | How do I avoid this? Folder templates? And how do I fix it for new PF | messages? Folder templates won't do the trick, AB templates have preference. This is an area that's not totally clear, since you've got two different address books. The best way would be to have only one address book (shared by all accounts). Create in this one address book two groups, a business group and a friends group. Before importing the addresses in this one AB first create the group that you'd like to have preference. The order the groups are encountered (and they're shown in creation order) is the preference the matching 'address book group templates' have. So if you'd like to address friends in business with your business account, you create the business account first. If you'd like your friends account to be used for them, create the friends group first. If you'd like to use the active account for those contacts of 'mixed spirits', create a third address book group (however, you'd need to create it first) and give it AB group templates that don't change the account. PF | Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a PF | mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the PF | signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels buggy. That's the way it's supposed to work. As long as you haven't typed a letter in the body, you can change the template since it isn't fixed yet. If that isn't what you want, start typing in the body before you change the account. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Very quiet ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, January 26, 2003, Johannes Posel wrote... Dear Dierk, On 19:43 24.11.2002, you [Dierk Haasis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... ... or do I have a server problem? It should run smoothely... I only just realised this... but unless you've done some nifty time travelling, I think your clock is wrong ;) (No I don't want to start up the time travel thread again) ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPe1BnSuD6BT4/R9zEQKldQCgvzeoDIcXVDVsSPN4nO8cs5FYIdQAoPbW IX4xNPyfUTr6tmrGYdR39lmL =OVN9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates
Roelof, On 04-12-2002 00:40, you [R] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: R I suppose that while reading your messages, you're having the headers R of the message shown too. As the general list setup is such that the R messages have the list address as To: address, you can right click R the To:-header (the list address) and you'll get a four option menu. R Select 'Reply to this address' and you're done, now you can use R whatever template you'd like. Thanks. This will work. Of course this will not send a message to both the list and the author in one go, but it's a way around the problem. Another way is to make a QT that you call before you begin typing the reply. R This is an area that's not totally clear, since you've got two R different address books. My mistake. I should have been more clear. I meant two AB _groups_. R Before importing the addresses in this one AB first create the group R that you'd like to have preference. The order the groups are R encountered (and they're shown in creation order) is the preference R the matching 'address book group templates' have. OK, I thought this might have something to do with things so I tried renaming the AB groups. R If you'd like to use the active account for those contacts of 'mixed R spirits', create a third address book group (however, you'd need to R create it first) and give it AB group templates that don't change the R account. Hmm. That's a definite possibility but it sounds like a lot of work. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it. PF | Also, sometimes when I manually change account when I have replied to a PF | mail (_before_ I start typing), only the account changes - not the PF | signature. Sometimes the signature changes. This feels buggy. R That's the way it's supposed to work. As long as you haven't typed a R letter in the body, you can change the template since it isn't fixed R yet. If that isn't what you want, start typing in the body before you R change the account. My point is that even if I change _before_ I start typing the signature does not always change! Thanks for your reply. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62/Beta16 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 /os Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates
Hallo Peter, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:47:54 +0100GMT (4-12-02, 0:47 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: PF Thanks. This will work. Of course this will not send a message to PF both the list and the author in one go, but it's a way around the PF problem. Oh yes it will. But only if you define an address book template forb that list that'll make it do so. Just add something like %to='%OFrom' in the template. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AB templates
Hallo Peter, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:47:54 +0100GMT (4-12-02, 0:47 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: PF My point is that even if I change _before_ I start typing the PF signature does not always change! That might have something to do with active AB templates. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backing up address book
Hello Batters, Any easy way to back up the address book without exporting to a file? -- Best regards, Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Palm connection?
Hello Tim, Monday, December 2, 2002, 9:19:38 PM, you wrote: JF How can I set up a Palm connection with TB! ? TM Depends on what it is you want to set up. If just eMail, check out the TM FAQ (http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html). If you want the TM Address Book, well, you will have to wait a bit. It is currently in TM development - kind of stalled at the moment though.. I tried to have a look at that url. Pity: They use white text on a white background :-( or the sever is down. Thanks, anyway. I'll try later again. -- Best regards, Josmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Palm connection?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jos, @4-Dec-2002, 08:26 +0700 (01:26 UK time) Jos Flachs [JF] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TM Depends on what it is you want to set up. If just eMail, check TM out the FAQ (http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html). TM If you want the Address Book, well, you will have to wait a TM bit. It is currently in development - kind of stalled at the TM moment though.. JF I tried to have a look at that url. Pity: They use white text on JF a white background :-( No. What browser? JF or the sever is down. Thanks, anyway. I'll try later again. Server is just fine but the URL was a bit dodgy - the ) got dragged into the end. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE97WIUOeQkq5KdzaARAr5mAJ4rXIWNJIadTZMweSEC3ggjPQnqOwCdGWeU qwOMSXFEeiIz4p5TyQ04XMc= =hmCl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bounce Mail
Simon- Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 2:35:17 PM, you wrote: How does MailWasher bounce messages? A. MailWasher uses an algorithm to determine the best route to send the bounced message back (from, reply to, return path) and actually sends the bounce back via your ISP's postmaster, so it looks exactly like it has come from your ISP and not from you at your address. If the spammer has used a fake address, then your bounce message will itself be bounced back to the postmaster and you won't receive the bounced bounce email. S ...I suspect that the nice folk at RITLABS wouldn't find it too difficult S either g S In fact, I added this as a feature request to be added to the Mail S 'Dispatcher', among others :) Great. So I, as postmaster, would be receiving bounce messages from users who have been spoofing my return address and routing? That'll get them kicked off the system as fast as I can dig up my logs. Obviously you looked up feature in a different dictionary from the one I use. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
Hello Ming-Li, On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 06:37:46 +0800 GMT (04/12/02, 05:37 +0700 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ^TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presence: Yes Location: Kludges I'm not sure this does what Joseph wants (if I understand him correctly). It tests the presence of the a certain address appearing in the TO field, but doesn't preclude those with CC recipients. For that purpose, a second condition has to be added: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges I was thinking about that. But, if the address is in the TO field, my filter will be triggerd. If it is not in the TO field (i.e. only in the CC field), my filter will not recognise the address, so it will not be trigged. when you put your addage under AND, the filter not betriggered if the address is in both TO and CC. But how probable is such a situation? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bounce Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Mark, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:25:00 -0800 your time, you said: MW Obviously you looked up feature in a different dictionary from the one MW I use. There's no need to be so sarcastic :-/ If you have an opinion about it, fine, but I didn't design Mailwasher, I use it, and as far as I know no one has ever complained about the way it bounces messages, until now. I suspect that Mailwasher's apparent popularity and success would have been quickly arrested if the methods it employs to bounce mail were rejected/frowned upon by ISPs...I'd have expected some noise on the Net by now if that were the case! - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #49. A Qed Irs Lowry Sum ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPe1uJMtub/5cfolmEQLDrwCgnoyHfjxTpQ/3UpJkW89Nf15EyJIAn3Vp LxlCE+mVAfFkH03ALyzCnq4T =pEba -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
Hello Richard, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:31:46 + GMT (04/12/02, 05:31 +0700 GMT), Richard Evans wrote: MG I think the problem might be just the extension. If they are named MG .eml they might be openable. Yet, I don't know how to convince the Bat MG to name the forwarded files .eml, sorry. I thought .msg was an internet standard ? (I don't know the answer really, but I cannot resist to answer anyway.) Yes, but since when does OL care about standards? ;-))) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was God and I didn't. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Neverending loop
Try starting The Bat! with an appropriate command line parameter to change the folder at startup. Thank you. I will use that method next time. Regards, Peter Evans Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Bounce Mail
Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 3:27:39 AM, you wrote: And a bounce is also good for having spambots validate e-mail addresses depending on the routing path of the bounce. If The_Bat! was the bouncer it shows the mail bounced from The_Bat!'s receiver address, back through your ISP's SMTP server to the originator's SMTP server and bang, the recipient's address (yours) was valid and validated. This is how you plan to stop spam in your inbox? NOT! You misunderstand. The bounced mail seems to be formatted differently from other replies. It is made to look as if it came from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and unless one really analyses the header...well it works. I know it cos I have stopped receiving spam from at least 8 heavy spammers who used to send daily mailers. Point is can this be accomplished? Using scripting or Macros. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backing up address book
Hello Melissa, Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 1:38:53 AM, you wrote: MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MR Hash: SHA1 MR On Tuesday, December 03, 2002, at 5:21:44 PM PST, Jim Lanyon wrote: Any easy way to back up the address book without exporting to a file? MR - From the Tools menu, select Backup, then choose Address MR Books The Choose button will allow you to choose which address MR book(s) you wish to back up. MR Melissa I have done this but the file saves as a TBX format. When I try to open it I get an Edit Mail Message window with files in the left hand pane. When I click on any of the files I just get another Mail Window. I think I need to save the Address Book in Csv format. Is this correct? -- Love and Light, Granvillemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bounce Mail
Wednesday, December 4, 2002, 7:55:00 AM, you wrote: Great. So I, as postmaster, would be receiving bounce messages from users who have been spoofing my return address and routing? That'll get them kicked off the system as fast as I can dig up my logs. With the number of bounced messages on the net, do you really think that the postmaster address is going to be monitored and someone is going to make a living of studying bounced messages and finding out if it was a spoofed email addy that caused it. No one has taken Mailwasher to court...I guess when it comes to fighting spam, a little flexibility is expected. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bounce Mail
Simon- Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 6:53:24 PM, you wrote: S There's no need to be so sarcastic :-/ If you have an opinion about it, S fine, but I didn't design Mailwasher, I use it, and as far as I know no one Ah, but you did tout the feature and recommend its incorporation into TB, which renders me properly aghast. S has ever complained about the way it bounces messages, until now. I suspect S that Mailwasher's apparent popularity and success would have been quickly S arrested if the methods it employs to bounce mail were rejected/frowned upon S by ISPs...I'd have expected some noise on the Net by now if that were the S case! Well, I, for one, wasn't aware that Mailwasher could get away with pulling off this dastardly deed. I wonder what postmaster@say,for_example,earthlink.net would have to say about it? Are you suggesting that there is a way to prevent Mailwasher from doing this? ...besides, if I couldn't be sarcastic here I'd have to find another list to hang out in... -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 at 09:48:17 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges I was thinking about that. But, if the address is in the TO field, my filter will be triggerd. If it is not in the TO field (i.e. only in the CC field), my filter will not recognise the address, so it will not be trigged. when you put your addage under AND, the filter not betriggered if the address is in both TO and CC. But how probable is such a situation? ;-) I think one of us misunderstood what Joseph wanted. It might well be me, but I'm not ready to concede yet. :-) Quoting from the original message which started this thread: to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients. See? What he wanted to exclude (not triggering the filter) are: 1. A in TO but there are CC recipients. 2. A in CC. Your filter will be falsely triggered by messages matching condition 1. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
