Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Pranav,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:30:31 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 16:00 +0700 GMT),
Pranav Lal wrote:

> How do I disable the HTML viewer?

Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor.

Ups, another dialog in which tabbing goes crisscrossing over the
whole screen. Will add that to the list. But there are 4 drop-down
boxes, those are the ones.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Andrew,

How do I disable the HTML viewer?

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Selective Download inconsistencies

[ken green]

I am concerned that my Selected Download filters aren't working right. I
had been expecting to receive a software registration e-mail sometime
today and when it had not yet arrived, I checked the server using the
Dispatcher. Sure enough, it was there - marked read, but not marked to
receive.

I use the same Selective Download settings for all accounts, which
checks all headers (I have a spamkill.txt file and a spamignore.txt
file). Thinking that it might be an over-zealous ignore file, I looked
through the message header to see if I could spot anything that might
trigger an "ignore" - not download.

I couldn't find anything.  Then I copied the message to a different
account's Outbox and sent it that way.  And the message came through.  I
tried redirecting as well, and there was no problem - I received the
message as expected.

So this leads me to believe that there must be something unique in the
headers of the original message to cause the trigger.  But I copied the
headers from the original message (which was ignored) and pasted them
above the headers from the message that was redirected, and (as
expected), they were very similar.

I looked over the lines that were different and couldn't see anything
that matched any of the signal strings in my ignore file. What concerns
me is how easily I could have assumed all the messages had already been
received, and just deleted everything.

Anyone else experienced this?

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Re: collapsing a thread

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:08:47 -0500 GMT (26/09/2003, 11:08 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

>> www.ritlabs.com/bt - change "Project" to wish list.

> Sorry if this is an obvious answer, but is the TB wishlist and TB bug
> tracking one and the same?  That seem a little odd, but your link is for
> the bug tracking system.

The wishlist is on the same system.

> Also, I don't know what you mean by: "change "Project" to wish list"

Log in and you will find a drop-down box on the upper right-hand side.
By default it says "The Bat", which is the bugtracker for TB. Open the
box and you will see one option "That Bat Wishlist". Choose that and
then hit the "switch" button.

It will still say something about the bugtracking system, and then is
admittedly confusing and could be improved, but you are now in the
wishlist.

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Re: collapsing a thread

[ken green]

Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Has it been added to the wishlist?

> www.ritlabs.com/bt - change "Project" to wish list.


Sorry if this is an obvious answer, but is the TB wishlist and TB bug
tracking one and the same?  That seem a little odd, but your link is for
the bug tracking system.

Also, I don't know what you mean by: "change "Project" to wish list"

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Re: collapsing a thread

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:10:59 -0500 GMT (26/09/2003, 06:10 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

>> Is there a way to collapse a thread while inside that thread?

> Sorry.  Found this: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So, yes
> it's been asked.  But not answered.  Anyone know if this is planned?

Has it been added to the wishlist?

www.ritlabs.com/bt - change "Project" to wish list.

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Re: messages marked as read

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ken,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:35:54 -0500 GMT (26/09/2003, 04:35 +0700 GMT),
ken green wrote:

> Does the dispatcher itself cause messages to be "read" because they are
> "touched" when getting the headers, etc.? Could this be a mail server
> setting? Is this limited to when using the POP3 protocol? Is this simply
> a quirk of POP3, or is there something I can do/set to change this?

No and no. The POP server doesn't know whether the messages have been
read, it's TB's internal list of UIDs that will be updated. And the
default cannot be changed.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Claude,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:33:56 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 02:33 +0700 GMT),
Claude Renaud wrote:

> But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said
> that jaws works perfectly with the bat!.

Not perfectly, but pretty well. Here are the suggestions for TB that I
have compiled so far:

Sorting Office / Filters:

1.) Filter tab

String / Location cannot be reached by tab. In fact, if you are in the
string field String and then use right-arrow (instead of tab), you
reach Location. Tab skips it. And then, Location doesn't show as a
drop-down box but as a list box.

Same for Presence. Cannot be reached by tab and shows as a list box,
not a drop-down box.

2.) Alternatives tab

The buttons Add Set / Delete Set cannot be reached by tab.

3.) Actions tab

Tabbing through the Actions, the order is is quite confusing. Try
it...

Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be
reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic
first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items
field.

4.) Advanced tab

Tabbing through it reveals an unusual order as well. Mark "Address
must not be listed in the address book", and the next tab stop is Time
Interval" before you get back to the option to "search only in this
group".

So much for the Sorting Office  alone.

Message Depatcher:

List boxes can still not be seen.

Mail ticker:

There should be an option, when first installing TB, to not instyall
the mail ticker, as it interferes with screenreaders and new users
often don't know what might be wrong.

 ***

If I have left anything out, please let me know. I am planning to add
it to the bugtracker within the next days. I am also cross-posting
this message to TBBETA, as I think the thread is more appropriate
there than here.

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Re: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Thomas,

I am running JFW v4.51.119 and have not seen this happen in any other help 
system. For that matter, thus far, it happens only on this link. It could 
be the screen shot as you suggest.

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Re: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[Mark Wieder]

John-

>Any reason not to upgrade to  2.00.6?

Uh oh...busted.

My vcr flashes 12:00, too, because I... er... um... like that time of
day... yeah, that's it. I'm still running SP2, you'll notice. And my
house was built in 1907 and still runs fine. Haven't seen the need to
upgrade it yet except for piecemeal.

I'll get around to upgrading TB some day. I always say that
procrastination is its own reward.

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Re: collapsing a thread

[ken green]

> Is there a way to collapse a thread while inside that thread?

Sorry.  Found this: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So, yes
it's been asked.  But not answered.  Anyone know if this is planned?

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collapsing a thread

[ken green]

Is there a way to collapse a thread while inside that thread?  Ex: I'm
reading the 15th message in a thread - is the only way to close the
thread to go back to the top-level? I've looked through the shortcuts
and menu choices and can't find this feature.

This has probably been asked before (someone please point me to 'feature
requests' regardless).

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messages marked as read

[ken green]

I've been using the Dispatcher a lot lately, and noticed that messages
are ALWAYS marked read. Unless I am remembering incorrectly (entirely
possible), this was not the case when I had my accounts set up as IMAP.

Does the dispatcher itself cause messages to be "read" because they are
"touched" when getting the headers, etc.? Could this be a mail server
setting? Is this limited to when using the POP3 protocol? Is this simply
a quirk of POP3, or is there something I can do/set to change this?

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Re:Blocking Bat mail

[Mark]

JM> Thursday, September 18, 2003, 8:40:57 PM, you wrote:
>> I shared my original post here with RitLabs.  There's not
>> much more I can or am willing to do.
JM> Providers/web masters who use ASAP! also block *all* messages coming from TB:
JM> http://www.commtouch.com
JM> I've had it happen to me three times just this week alone.
JM> It's really starting to make me mad, too.

Why Oh why don't Ritlabs just get rid of this problem for good by
making the XMailer header user configurable or delete-able?

In version 1.6 it was easy to Hack the EXE to alter this Mailer
heading. In version 2.0 I can't work out how to do this (can
someone else). It really isn't worth taking this huge risk with
my mail, so if there isn't a way around this enforced header, I
am (very sadly) going to have to drop The Bat! for now.

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Re: Bat! - MyGate posting problem

[MAU]

Hello Andrew,

> Thank you for detailed explanation. I'll try to do something about it.

I still have in my Outbox the message that forces the error, I can send
it to you if it is of any use.

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Re: thebat.exe 100% CPU usage ... please help!

[David Boggon]

Hi Mark,

MW> the real problem was the OS.

Thanks for your reply.

Interesting to hear it was the OS. For the record, I dumped the
Bayesit SPAM plugin and TB came good.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Claude Renaud]

Hi Pranav,

Le jeudi 25 septembre 2003 à 00:55:11, vous écriviez :

PL> Hi all,

PL> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows 
PL> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com)
PL> with TheBat?

Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I will work with Window-Eyes.
It's true than we can use the bat! with jaws or any screen readers if we create custom 
settings a bit.
But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said that jaws works 
perfectly with the bat!.
In fact we can use it but I think we could greatly improve the accessibility of the 
bat! by making it Ms accessibility compliant in order to use the Ritlabs Html engine 
or if we can identify with tooltips all icons in the program.
Few days ago I wrote to Maxim Masiutin and suggest him several things. here is a part 
of our discussion :

Hi Max,

Le lundi 22 septembre 2003 à 16:22:35, vous écriviez :

MM> Could you please send us your screen reader software, to make
MM> us able to try? 

You can download a demo copy of Jaws at http://www.hj.com and/or Window-eyes at 
http://www.gwmicro.com.

MM> How do you read text in Microsoft Internet
MM> Explorer, there is also no cursor there.

Yes, but in this case screen readers rely on Microsoft Active accessibility (you can 
obtain information at
http://www.microsoft.com/enable or msdn).
Or you could either : 
- customize the html component used in the bat! enabling the cursor caret. Then we 
could be able to read html message and
scroll them because screen readers could then track the cursor properly,
- or letting optionnally the ability to activate the Microsoft Html renderer engine.

Could you please take me aware of your investigation concerning this part of the 
development please ?


And it would also be very interesting if we could access to the toolbars, the 
mailticker  and so on...

I truely hope that Ritlabs will make an effort in this direction.

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Re[4]: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Neal Laugman]

Thursday, September 25, 2003, 11:28:55 AM, you wrote:

NL> plug-in architecture is now present; Rit and others (Alexander?;) will

oops - I mean Andrew!! sorry... And Freddie is looking for this I
believe: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/

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Re: MyGate

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Freddie,

Thursday, September 25, 2003, 1:16:21 PM, you wrote:
FF>   What is the link to MyGate?

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Re[3]: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Neal Laugman]

Thursday, September 25, 2003, 5:03:26 AM, you wrote:

J> Ive  been  a  LONG time user of Agent for BOTH mail and
J> news  but  this  recent  SW  work has forced me to
J> start  thinking  abt  using  separate apps for mail and
J> news rather than all in one app.

I used Agent for both email and news for years because it was stable
(although uuugly), but it's folder system is crude and I think Agent
V2 is vaporware. When The Bat v2 was coming out I looked at a bunch of
clients, including Opera's M2. When it gets further along its
developement, M2 will be really cool. But for now and for me, TB is
superior in its abilities for mail. And the maintence features in v2
are great.

J> Has RIT ever thought abt developing a news reader??

I think the idea is to create a plug-in to assist with nntp. The
plug-in architecture is now present; Rit and others (Alexander?;) will
be working on this functionality. While in favor of this, let me go on
record as not being in favor of compromising stability or the
interface. I've seen this happen time and again with programming
components and databases (and done this myself too ).

In the meantime, you may succesfully use MyGate 2.5 or go with
whatever. Dialog http://www.40tude.com/dialog/ has been my newsreader
for a year or so. Very nice Delphi app. XanaNews (another Delphi app)
http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm is now very functional and
stable.

As for my plans, I have been exporting my message bases from Agent and
Dialog into The Bat.

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MyGate

[Freddie Freeloader]

Hello tbudl,

  What is the link to MyGate?

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Thomas,

On  Thursday, 25. September 2003, at 22:53:46 [GMT +0700] you wrote:

>> I just find it so much more convenient to have it all in one place -
>> both mail & news, so I just (after discovering MyGate - thanks to
>> Miguel from Spain, and the author - Andrew - from Bulgaria) use Bat!

> Andrew is actually from Kiev, Ukraine... but I add my thanks! :-)

Me too, for me who only  is looking into 4 Groups which don't have
attachments that  a great stuff.

By the way, just configured a new email for the News Group of TheBat, only
one posting. and after one hour i got the first Worm Virus Messages on
that account. Can't believe that!! Are there some Outlook User in that
Newsgroup? :) :(

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Re: ISO-8859-15 charset

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hello Thomas,

Thursday, September 25, 2003, 4:45:32 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Andrew,

TF> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:49:11 +0100 GMT (25/09/2003, 13:49 +0700 GMT),
TF> Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>>   Does  anyone know why this is the default charset for TB mail?

TF> You seem to have sent your message with us-ascii encoding.

  That  is  because  I switched it off after a request from a user.  I
  have now switched it back on however.

>> What is the cignificance of this charset,

TF> It is Western European and contains such characters as the
TF> eruo-symbol, the Pound-Sterling-symbol, and German umlauts, to name
TF> just a few.

  Thanks.   Actually I did a test by sending in US-Ascii, then putting
  a  £  sign  in the mail, and it then came back as ISO-8859-15.  Note
  that on the templates menu, if you sellect no encoding, it gets sent
  as  US-ASCII, which is what my friend told me to use.  I am not also
  sure  whether  it  was due to the fact that TB encoded my message in
  base64  with  the  £  sign  in it that caused him the problem or the
  handling of the charset itself.

>> and is it safe to tell TB to use no encoding on mails?

TF> I don't know how you would do that, I wouldn't recommend it: How
TF> should the recipient's email client know how to encode/display your
TF> message, especially if it contains high ASCII characters?

  See  previous - No encoding means US-ASCII in TB when sellecting the
  charset  from  the  template  editor.   Perhaps this could be better
  phrased?   Anyway,  is the ISO-8859-15 charset the default in all TB
  installations?

Thanks,
Andrew.

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Re: Palm Connection

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Freddie,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 2:14:01 PM, you wrote:

FF> Hello All,

FF>I know this subject has come up several times in the past, but I
FF>was wondering, if a full fledged conduit for the Palm operating
FF>system is not likely, and not being a programmer myself, if it is
FF>possible to just write a script that will cull all of the addresses
FF>from the Palm desktop and update the address book in TB?

You could export from the palm and then import into TB. Plain Text or
CSV would probably be your best choices. But you will want to be
careful about duplications.

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Re: PGP/Mime and extra line feed on TBOT

[Mary Bull]

Hello Andrew!

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, 1:55 AM, you wrote:

MB>> ... I get a double-spaced post on TBOT. ...

A>   Yes, I had the same problem also.  I used the following "%NOPGPMime"
A>   in  my Yahoo list templates, which solved the problem - I still sign
A>   messages but the messages don't show up as double spaced anymore.

Solved mine, too! Thanks to all who took an interest!!

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Re: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Pranav,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:15:56 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 13:45 +0700 GMT),
Pranav Lal wrote:

> I am sending a text dump of the screen.

> The error occurs when I hit enter on the item called
> Sorting Office - general information

> Pranav
> Help Topics: Title of this help project

You are in the Help file, I see. I misunderstood this the first time.

> Sorting Office - general information

I still don't get the AV. But that item starts with a screenshot. Mya
that be causing an AV with your screenreader, who doesn't expect a
screenshot in a help file?

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Re: Adding a memo to message

[Daniel Rail]

Hello zParticle,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 11:47:17 AM, you wrote:
> ken green wrote:
>>If the memo window could be docked on the preview window screen,
>>then the ability to change the subject line would almost become a
>>moot point.

> Yep, that's exactly what it needs to make the memo feature useful on a
> regular basis.

I just submitted a feature request to have the memo editor as an
additional page(tab) in the message preview section. And, that the
feature can be turned on or off by the user.

> Or if the programmers want to get fancy, make the entire memo appear
> as a tooltip when mousing over the memo column.  For bonus points,
> allow in-place editing of the memo from the column list (like renaming
> a file in Windows Explorer).

Just being able to display the memo as a column and as an additional
page in the preview section is enough for me.  Especially, that it is
possible to perform a search on the memos.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Krister,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:56:50 +0200 GMT (25/09/2003, 14:56 +0700 GMT),
Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter
> screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided.

Good to know about the scripts for Hal.

For Jaws, there are still the 2-year-old scripts at
http://www.boerrigter.de/ - albeit the website is only in German.

> The only things i'd like to possibly see changed are the list boxes
> in for example the message dispatcher, where there are check boxes
> that neither Hal or Jaws recognize propperly

I have added that to the list I am currently compiling for the
wishlist.

> and also i would like to se an option at installation time whether i
> want to disable the mail ticker,

Added as well.

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello J,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:03:26 -0500 GMT (25/09/2003, 20:03 +0700 GMT),
J wrote:

> Has RIT ever thought abt developing a news reader??

Yes, they have. Thought about it, that is.

A full-scale news client is a completely new can of worms, what with
scoring and f'up2 and all. There is still a long wishlist for TB as a
mail client, so let's make the email functionality perfect first. ;-)

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello John,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:33:09 +1000 GMT (25/09/2003, 16:33 +0700 GMT),
John Phillips wrote:

> I just find it so much more convenient to have it all in one place -
> both mail & news, so I just (after discovering MyGate - thanks to
> Miguel from Spain, and the author - Andrew - from Bulgaria) use Bat!

Andrew is actually from Kiev, Ukraine... but I add my thanks! :-)

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Re: ISO-8859-15 charset

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:49:11 +0100 GMT (25/09/2003, 13:49 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>   Does  anyone know why this is the default charset for TB mail?

You seem to have sent your message with us-ascii encoding.

> What is the cignificance of this charset,

It is Western European and contains such characters as the
eruo-symbol, the Pound-Sterling-symbol, and German umlauts, to name
just a few.

> and is it safe to tell TB to use no encoding on mails?

I don't know how you would do that, I wouldn't recommend it: How
should the recipient's email client know how to encode/display your
message, especially if it contains high ASCII characters?

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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[ken green]

Urban wrote:
> Do you say "the Eudora", "the Becky", "the Outlook Express"?


Well, I was being somewhat silly.  But you need to see the context in
which I was asking this question:

ken green wrote:
> I noticed that the TB* archives use newest thread at top,

And in that case, YES, I would say "I noticed the Eudora archives ..."

;)

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OT: new mail at top/bottom

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Bill,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 6:13:58 PM, you wrote:
BBTE> The same is true of things like eBay and dBASE. There is no need
BBTE> to follow goofy capitalization in running text. Ebay and Dbase
BBTE> are just fine.



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on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain
threading.)

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Re: suggestion: logging for kill filters

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Chris,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:17:40 PM, you wrote:
C> I think that that would be a great feature. If the developers were
C> feeling particularly energetic, they could put a "Verbose Logging"
C> option on the "Options" or "Advanced" tab in the "Sorting
C> Office/Filters."



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the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated
this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris.

Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original
text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to
specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't
necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last
comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has
been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the
quoted text, and/or the PGP signature.

We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to
view the entire thread contents.

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Re: My Gate and Message ID

[Antje Lehmann]

Hi,

Edgar wrote:

> My  German  is  not  that  good  (reading that is) so did I understand
> correctly that when you use TB! and MyGate the news messages will have
> a  MID  with a domain of your e-mail adres (It does I've checked that)
> and  that  may/might  get you into trouble on usenet since it is not a
> right domain (2years excisting and unique)?

Yes, that's exactly what it says.

> Is  there  something  you can do about it? (Not having a own domain or
> hiring one) The German site with info on how to loan one was down.

Well, it says on http://www.my-fqdn.de that you can either loan one
from the site which is currently down for reconstruction as well as
ask Thomas (who wrote the text) himself for a subdomain he will
provide to you upon your request. You can place your order by going to
http://sites.inka.de/ancalagon/fqdn/fqdn.php3

As far as I understand the text loaning is about the only option
you've got if you haven't registered your own domain yet.

If you need any further help with translation, feel free to contact
me.

Antje

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Re[2]: Why MyGate with TB!?

[J]

Hi guys. just now starting to use Bat for email

Ive  been  a  LONG time user of Agent for BOTH mail and
news  but  this  recent  SW  work has forced me to
start  thinking  abt  using  separate apps for mail and
news rather than all in one app.

Im  liking  the  Bat  for  mail  good  so far... but Im
curious

Has RIT ever thought abt developing a news reader??



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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Dave,

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:55:28 -0400GMT (25-9-03, 12:55 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

DK> Does TB! have the basic rn/nn/etc. ability to "kill" a thread?

No, though with some filters it's possible to approach that, though
not very easy.

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Re[2]: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[Paul Berger]

Have just moved up to 1.62r and can wait till any bugs are fixed.

Paul

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Re[2]: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[Paul Berger]

Thanks to all.

Luc" link worked just fine. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

As Marck said, I receive the digest so do not have the link that Marck
mentioned.

Paul

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Dave Kennedy]

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 4:12:58 PM, Dave wrote:
D> Why do people use MyGate -> The Bat! for their newsgroups?

D> Why not a specialized newsreader like xnews?


So, reading through through the various response (Thanks!), the
main reason seems to be it's nice to have the Usenet posts in the
same place as e-mail.

A valid reason. I asked because some of the threads in TBUDL and
TBOT get so long that navigating them becomes onerous and I wish
for the ability to handle them with News software. But, then I
run across people doing the exact opposite with MyGate and had to
wonder why.

Does TB! have the basic rn/nn/etc. ability to "kill" a thread?

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[John Phillips]

Hi Dave,
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, at 16:12:58 [GMT-0400] (which was Thu, 6:12:58
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

> Why not a specialized newsreader like xnews?

I just find it so much more convenient to have it all in one place -
both mail & news, so I just (after discovering MyGate - thanks to
Miguel from Spain, and the author - Andrew - from Bulgaria) use Bat!

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Roelof,

On 25-09-2003 01:18, you [R] wrote in
:
R> These days I'm using Agent. I actually do prefer TB's templates,
R> macros etc, but it's just missing quite a bit of usenet
R> functionality, like follow-ups etc.

Yes.

Although I have made it so that if a FUT header is present it'll be
shown in the preview pane. This way I know to FUT another group.

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Re: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Pranav,

@25-Sep-2003, 09:50 +0530 (05:20 UK time) Pranav Lal said to
TBUDL-thebat.dutaint.com:

... 
> Main Window Title: winhlp32.exe - Application Error
> The instruction at "0x010062c1" referenced memory at "0x039be000". The memory
> could not be "read".

... 

> How do I fix this? I am running Version 2.00.6 of TheBat.

This is an error in your version of WinHelp. You don't say which
version of Windows you use, but you should be looking to fix *it*
and not TB :-).

You may need to reinstall windows.

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Re: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[John Phillips]

Hi Mark,
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, at 00:26:07 [GMT-0700] (which was 17:26:07
Australian Eastern Time) you wrote:

> Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2


Any reason not to upgrade to  2.00.6?

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Mod: Top posting (was: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic)

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Pranav,

@25-Sep-2003, 12:15 +0530 (07:45 UK time) Pranav Lal said:

> I am sending a text dump of the screen.

... 


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Pranav.

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list
because 

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group
when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and
understand.

Thank you.


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My Gate and Message ID

[Edgar]

Hi,

When downloading MyGate 2.5, I've read the guide by Thomas Martin.
http://www.8ung.at/thebatinfo/technik/tip_newtb.htm

My  German  is  not  that  good  (reading that is) so did I understand
correctly that when you use TB! and MyGate the news messages will have
a  MID  with a domain of your e-mail adres (It does I've checked that)
and  that  may/might  get you into trouble on usenet since it is not a
right domain (2years excisting and unique)?

Is  there  something  you can do about it? (Not having a own domain or
hiring one) The German site with info on how to loan one was down.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Krister Ekstrom]

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In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11  (my local time 00:55:11), you typed:
PL> Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows
PL> (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com)
PL> with TheBat?

I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter
screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided. I've
made some modifications to it and now TB works like a champ. The only
things i'd like to possibly see changed are the list boxes in for
example the message dispatcher, where there are check boxes that
neither Hal or Jaws recognize propperly and also i would like to se an
option at installation time whether i want to disable the mail ticker,
since this doesn't work particularly well with screen readers.

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Re: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[Mark Wieder]

Marck-

Of course, in digest mode you'd have no idea that there were any
archives...

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Re: Where is TBUDL Archive nowadays?

[Mark Wieder]

Luc-

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 7:03:41 PM, you wrote:

L>  Every message on this list get's this link:

Unless you happen to receive digest mode, in which case it's nowhere
in sight.

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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hello Pranav,

Thursday, September 25, 2003, 7:50:26 AM, you wrote:

PL> Hi Thomas,

PL> This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was
PL> wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best
PL> operation with a screen reader?

  The  only  other  access  adjustment  I  did was to disable the HTML
  viewer  so  that  HTML  messages  are viewed in the plaintext editor
  which is accessible.

Andrew.

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Re: Why MyGate with TB!?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hello Dave,

Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 9:12:58 PM, you wrote:

DK> Why do people use MyGate -> The Bat! for their newsgroups?

  Probably so they can use the same interface/commands/templates et al
  for both mail/news use.  I know that when changing from Agent to TB,
  this was one concern for me, that I will have to use both programs.

  One  issue  though I have with TB and newsgroups is that some people
  have  been  complaining  that  people  are using some email specific
  features  like  numbered  reply  subjects  (i.e,  re[2]), which have
  caused disturbances on some newsgroups I frequent.

  If you are careful then I can't see the problem.

Andrew.

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Re: Application error when clicking on a particular help topic

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Thomas,

I am sending a text dump of the screen.

The error occurs when I hit enter on the item called
Sorting Office - general information
Pranav
Help Topics: Title of this help project
Contents Index Find
Click a topic, and then click Display. Or click another tab, such as Index.
Working with The Bat!
Interface Langauge
Messages
Sending files over the Internet
Address Book
Configuring your mail account
Mail Folders
Message Templates
Mail filtering (Sorting office)
Sorting Office - general information
Signal strings
Filtering actions
Filtering options
Selective Download Filters
Sorting office features
Display Print... Cancel
At 10:40 AM 9/25/2003, you wrote:
Hello Pranav,
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:50:24 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 11:20 +0700 GMT),
Pranav Lal wrote:
> When I click on the topic
> Sorting Office - general information
I don't have this.

I have: Account / Properties / General (and some other choices)
and I have: Account / Sorting Office / Incoming (and some other
choices)
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Re: Screen readers and TheBat

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Thomas,

This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was 
wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best 
operation with a screen reader?

For a start, I have disabled the email ticker.

I am using JFW v4.51.119.

Pranav


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